Am I having a fucking stroke?
>>47148576
no. They've resurrected the old black reach sprues and some other old kits with simplified rules and cheapish prices too go in toy stores to try get more people into the hobby
>>47148613
But... thats a good move forward. Isnt it? It even includes paint, brush, and glue right in the box. I must be having a stroke, I must be heading to valhalla
>>47148662
yes. recently GW has been turning things around. They've also been more open in communications with gamers and shown that they are listening too demand (upcominng points cost system for AoS comes too mind)
>>47148662
Yes, it is.... It is the only good idea they had in years.
When are these, and the Battle for Vedros suppose to come out? I want those fucking AoBR dreads, man!
>>47148736
November or so
>>47148718
>yes. recently GW has been turning things around
>AoS
They can never undo that and get the customer's trust back.
>>47148756
Its not as good as if they'd just had the points system on release of AoS. But its still a step in the right direction.
>>47148718
>listening too demand
And yet we will never see a new book and models for the Sororitas. Do it for me, geedubs. I might just get back into the game then.
>>47148803
Claim to be a femisist and send them angry emails
>>47148803
You know that the demand is not that high. I'm sorry anon, but they're stuck in a vicious circle, only a miracle can save them.
>>47148872
Unfortunately, you're right. I just want to set the universe on fire. Is that so much to ask?
>>47148803
They fucking killed Brets and Tomb Kings. And with the 30k than is basically Marines Vs Marines pray for they not killing the Dark Eldar or other minor 40k factions.
>>47148905
I have no idea what you just said.
>>47148905
>>47148576
>Am I having a fucking stroke?
No, you just got out of a coma.
>>47148867
The feminists have been trying that for over 20 years.
>>47148802
AoS existing at all means they will never get some of those customers back.
And until they cut prices nothing will change.
>>47148718
New CEO I think. An actual fan of the hobby
>>47149077
eh, no matter what they did they losing some customers is unavoidable.
Its a move that'll bring many back. The usual complaint for people not liking AoS was just the lack of points system.
>>47149089
>An actual fan of the hobby
>no more female witch elves
>black warpriests
>fan of hobby
>>47149137
I was under the impression it was more "Shitting on the world I invested twenty years in making armies for."
>>47149210
>female witch elves
>black warpriests
Both of those things count towards diversity, so you only really need to have one.
What models did they raise the price for to sell those?
>>47149248
Eh, most people seemed to not consider that that had happened at all. At least in my experience.
Its just a sort of plot continued reboot.
>>47149301
None. They're cheap because they're using old sprues that have recouped their investment costs.
>>47148802
Too little, too late. People moved on to other games in the meantime.
>>47149338
How good are the sprues?
>>47149210
GW has always been shit to make female faces so I can understand getting rid of wyches and what's the problem with a black warpriest?
I think it's pretty cool, considering the most active priests are now found in Africa. Can't help but picture them giving sermons with the energy I've witnessed several times.
>>47149369
Still good. Just don't expect stuff as good as new kits released in the last couple years.
>>47149369
Decent compared to the brand new ones if they didn't even bother to clean them up, i.e try to remove moldlines, but fucking great on a price basis.
>>47149388
Plus the black thing is only in the paintjob. There's nothing stopping you painting yours as an ayran ubermensch.
>>47149419
Exactly.
Especially when you consider that the guy's outfit was very light colored, black skin makes it pop. Would have been lame with fair skin.
>>47148576
Bloody hell, £25 for a dreadnaught and a few marines, WITH paints?
Would those models be allowed in a standard game?
>>47149496
yes
>>47148576
Definitely a step in the right direction.
This is the part where the abusive spouse kisses you in the forehead and whispers lovey dovey apologies into your ear and swears everything will be fine in the end.
Then, after a few months of regaining your trust he kicks the shit outta you yet again.
>>47148576
neat, so when do these launch in stores?
>>47149668
November supposedly.
>>47149077
>And until they cut prices nothing will change.
They've been doing bundle deals which is one step away. I'm pretty impressed with neo GW.
ITT: Stockholm syndrome
>>47149861
...Hold on.
Bundle deals? Actual Bundle Deals? Like, not just a way to buy them all at once, but it's actually cheaper than buying them separate?
>>47149952
>>47149861
WHERE. ARE. THEM. PROOFS
>>47149952
Yes. The Knight:Renegade is basically buy one Knight and get one for free plus a terrain piece.
>>47149898
>brings old models back
>offers models cheap
>basically does everything people want
>people appreciate this
>"lol, abused spouses"
wut?
>>47149952
>>47150005
Yes.
Their start collecting boxes usually offer a significant discount. The Renegade game was two Knights and some scenery for £120 where individually they're about £90.
>>47150065
PROOFS. PROOFS PROOFS
I pity the fourteen year olds who come in, all excited to the flgs with their new brush-painted minis ready to sit down and play "Space Marines" with the lot of you.
>>47150039
They've pulled so many dick moves for so many years that I'm still kinda skeptical about them. I like the direction they're taking, but I won't fucking empty my wallet for them just yet.
>>47150096
Proof:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Seraphon-Saurus-Oldblood-on-Carnosaur
Saurus Old Blood on carnosaur : 50£.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Start-Collecting-Seraphon
Saurus Old Blood on carnosaur + 8 cold one riders + 12 saurus warriors : 50£.
>>47150039
>does something good for once
>it invalidates years of shit
>surprise
Kay
>>47149898
This has been the entire GW fanbase for like 15 years. Fat old losers with trainwreck lifestyles throwing cash at this disgraceful company year after year to fulfill some deranged consumption habit.
It's the most inexplicable phenomenon I have witnessed in the entire gaming subculture.
>>47150125
Who the fuck has said "this invalidates years of shit"? Fucking who? Nobody, that's who.
I don't give two shits about GW, but if I can get cheap models, why the fuck should I get angry at them for giving them to me?
>>47150119
>>47150119
Oh man
Archan costs 80, 24 for the skeletons, and pronanly 30 for the riders if i remember right. Anyone know how much Archan costed before?
>>47150096
Imperial Knights: Renegade - £120
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Imperial-Knights-Renegade-ENG
Contains:
Imperial Knight Warden - £95
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Knight-Warden
Imperial Knight Paladin - £85
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Knight-Paladin
Sanctum Imperialis - £20
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sanctum-Imperialis
Individual purchase = £200
>>47150222
Oh man. I was leaning towards purchasing an Imperial Knight to build and paint as a shelf paper weight, but might as well get two of them then.
Anyone knows if Renegade is limited availability or not?
>>47150096
This bundle is my personal favorite. I would have preferred a proper Chaos Lord or Chaos Champion as the ejad of the bundle but whatev.
Also, jesus christ guys, don't flap your mouth when you don't even look at the website.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Start-Collecting-Slaves-to-Darkness
... is this all just a clever ruse?
>>47150246
Nothins on limited availability has been said. You still have time mate, just like with BaC.
>>47150280
It's the new CEO trying to climb out of the Kirby pit. Good luck to him.
>>47150321
Is there like a newsletter or something? MORE PROOFS DEMANDED
>>47148662
No, a stroke is kind of a bitch's death. You are heading to Niefelheim. Hel's domain isn't that bad really, but you shouldn't have been a bitch.
>>47148576
If only this wasn't one of the shittiest paint container on the market.
>>47150413
Hel's domain is cold as shit bruh.
>>47149496
They're standard GW minis. Just older sculpts.
>>47150557
Older sculpts havent been confirmed yet
>>47150626
Yes they have. Before it was officially announced there where some photos from à display at a 5oy convention. The sprues on display where some of the old assault on black reach sprues, but in green or blue plastic.
>>47150394
Go find your info ffs. We're not spoonfeeding you, learn to know shit before talking shit.
>>47148718
>shown that they are listening too demand
I'll believe that when they fix everything wrong with 40k.
>>47150661
PROOFS. BURDEN LAYS UPON THEE
>>47150726
And Google is on your fingertips. You can continue to blabber like a retard or take 5 seconds to go check a wikipedia page or a BoLS article.
MFW it's more expensive in US didgeridoos
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Bike-Squad
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Bike-Squad
>>47150795
Why would it be different? It's made in the UK, then sent on thr other side of the world.
>>47150807
I had hope and dreams
>>47150807
>>47150843
oops, missed it
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Bike
>>47148576
Oh look it's Airfix for losers
>>47150807
Pretty much this.
Living in one of the Freak States, I'm only glad when I don't have to pay fo half the shipping to get it up here, if they are willing to ship it at all.
>>47148905
>wanting bretts.
>the 2nd good human army that us also the "hope you don't roll capture a point and said point is a building" army.
They had great models and lore, don't get me wrong, it's just that I've never seen people play them.
How much did the attack bike squad use to be? [in US if you please]
>>47150795
Hahaha
Come live in Australia.
>>47151028
No thanks, i like having easy access to rifles and not having my governments arm up to its elbow in my asshole
>>47151061
>I like cheeseburgers, mountain dew and negros violating my wife
>>47151087
>negros violating my wife
You're getting us confused with England
>>47151087
>I like cheese burgers
What the fuck is wrong with cheese burgers?
>>47150039
>h..e...he... he has changed I swear. Now he only hits me when I deserve it. He's still a nice guy.
Yeah, totally not battered wives.
>>47148576
Oh fuck yes!
So... What could they do for Guard?
>>47148803
>And yet we will never see a new book and models for the Sororitas. Do it for me, geedubs. I might just get back into the game then.
Actually, wouldn't sisters be one of the few armies these sorts of models would work for?
I mean, I know these are old sprues they are selling, but wouldn't this be the best distribution method for Plastic Sororita?
>>47151143
Who has said GW has amended their ways?
>>47151183
Because the whole system works on the fact that these sprues are old.
If they make plastic sisters, they'd want to get back on their huge investement, and selling cheap models is not thr way to do it.
We probably won't see offers like this in other ranges, at it is targeted at kids, to make them jump into the hobby, hence taking the poster boys and their simplest to understand opponents.
>>47151098
lol no I'm really not
time to wake up you cuck
>>47151365
How about we stay concentrated on the matter at hand, cheap plastic models?
You guys can argue later.
>>47151274
>Because the whole system works on the fact that these sprues are old.
>If they make plastic sisters, they'd want to get back on their huge investement, and selling cheap models is not thr way to do it.
Yeah, I know...
Still, this is how I think it should be done; Basic kits sold AS MODELS FIRST, with rules for a wargame attached.
A huge army investment is what scares people like me away from the game, but being able to bulk a force out piecemeal with kits I like is a lot easier to justify.
So you'd have your bare minimum troop choice box, possibly even mono-pose one piece figures, then some light vehicle/fast attack options like bikes, speeders, or Sentinels.
It not only would allow NEW players a means to start a skirmishing sized force, but also old players to bulk out their existing armies AND still leave the option for both to buy more complex, specialized kits as they want.
>We probably won't see offers like this in other ranges, at it is targeted at kids, to make them jump into the hobby, hence taking the poster boys and their simplest to understand opponents.
I'd still like to see Guard though...
One of the two army builds I'd actually want to own is almost entirely Sentinels...
>>47151476
Have you even actually ever painted a model?
I've never seen you in the wip threads.
>>47151595
>Have you even actually ever painted a model?
>I've never seen you in the wip threads.
No, and that's mostly because of the huge investment it would require like I said earlier.
I don't live near... anything really, so no FLGS with Demos to learn, and probably wouldn't be particularly interested in having whatever Marine figure they were using.
But a singular Sentinel for $15-20 USD?
That'd be even more doable than that Gunpla I put together, since it's low enough of a cost that I won't feel obligated to finish putting it together, let alone painting it.
>>47148576
Lol 8 and up...
Ok, nothing against cheap "startersets" for a younger target (hey somehow, GW need to find new customers), but seriously, 8? Ok, don't know what's the common age in getting into Warhammer, but in my opinion, the Warhammer Universe is at least suited for 12 year olds...
>>47152206
I was 5
>>47152284
That's young...
>>47148576
If that is the fucking dogshit ancient warbike in that kit then GW can burn to the ground and may everyone involved choke on a thousand cocks for trying to sell children that SHIT-TIER sculpt in 2016
If it's the modern warbike then that's okay. but the classic artwork has me skeptical
>>47149137
And the rules, fluff, models, prices and the fact it is a deliberate insult to their former fanbase.
Only idiots and GW fanboys will be fooled by it.
>>47152543
>Deliberate insult to their former fanbase
Important word here: former
Fantasy was not selling anymore, what did you expect them to do, lay down and let it die?
They tried something, it's not as good as it could have been, but shit, better than have the game rot in abandon.
>>47152614
>Fantasy was not selling anymore
>30% of their revenue
Yeah sure.
>They tried something, it's not as good as it could have been, but shit, better than have the game rot in abandon
Better for shareholders.
>>47152852
>Source needed
I heard that it was making less than paints and brushes.
So you're admitting you'd prefer the game to die? That's one marvelous business strategy.
>>47152888
>That's one marvelous business strategy
Why I should care about "muh business strategy" since I'am usual player and hobbist, not a redshirt or CEO, or one of shareholders?
>>47152614
Or maybe they could have actually supported the game properly instead of scaring people away by stupid rule changes and insane entry costs. Less than 5 years ago it was the 3rd or 4th best selling game in the market.
There are huge numbers of people who love Warhammer, blaming them for GW being too incompetent to see where they went wrong is nothing but sycophancy.
What could possibly motivate you to defend GW when they did literally everything wrong and are being deliberately spiteful to the people who loved their game? They were PROUD of the fact they don't even bother to find out what people want or why and its bitten them in the arse.
>not as good as it could have been
AoS is one of the worst wargames ever given a wide public release. The only reason it even gets talked about is because it was built on the corpse of a better game.
>>47149268
That was before he took the helm
>>47149362
Yeah, Kirby suck it dry and only let go once he knew it was too late, rountree, can try but Kirby gave him a corpse
>>47153210
I won't defend any of the actions, all I know is that the new CEO seems to be promising a turn around, but he needs time to get momentum on it
>>47153424
>all I know is that the new CEO seems to be promising a turn around
Nope.
>>47153499
So you have completely given up on the hobby ever being good again...
>>47153525
Yeah, EA will never chaged to good studio, so as GW, their age as hobby company gone long ago.
>>47153525
Anyone with brains has, the new CEO is going to be just as bad because it's GW poison to hobbies and the sooner it and it's IP die forever the better off table top will be, imagine it, a world without 40k and its crappy player base shitting it all up
>>47153565
So you're on the "burn your army" croud no thanks
>>47148576
Yes, see you think this will amount to anything remember GW is the EA of tabletop, it will never ever be good and retroactively makes its older good things worse by existing, the moment it goes under and it's corrupted properties are buried is the moment everything will finally get better for everyone
>>47153565
EA never was a good studio to begin with.
>>47153566
I hold out with hope. You always have hope.
>>47153651
Nor was GW, they just got lucky and a fan base with no good taste, how else could 40k garbage keep going without a supply of morons?
>>47153684
Hope is just a lie they tell you to keep you a productive worker drone
>>47153587
give it up anon. twats the like the other anon are just here to be bitter, beligerant fucks. they don't care about the hobby unless it caters to them specifically. he's probably a warseer poster
>>47153796
War seer?
>>47153876
a forum full of nothing but self entitled whiny cunts
>>47148576
But why the fuck would I buy a landspeeder from GW for £18.50 when I can now get this for £15 with some paints?
>>47148576
lel, I can only imagine the face of an 8 year old after he opens the package, expecting something super cool like in the pictures only to find a bunch of plastic parts that make little sense to him.
>>47154071
Which is what kids should expect when its a FUCKING MODEL you dipshit
>>47154068
Probably comes with less options and the paint is only going to be tiny pots of lower quality stuff.
Why the fuck they don't do a budget line of 40k I don't know, just an easy way in so that they have more people to try and up convert to the high end stuff.
Imagine if you could just get boxes of those snap together marines for like £8-10 for a full squad.
I know I'd be a hell of a lot more likely to start putting together a smurf army
>>47154365
>Imagine if you could just get boxes of those snap together marines for like £8-10 for a full squad.
>I know I'd be a hell of a lot more likely to start putting together a smurf army
That's what I was saying here: >>47151476
>>47154224
Zoids needs to make a Com back to help kids with it
>>47154394
Yeah, I hadn't seen your post, I just skimmed. It really just does seem common sense though, GW need to do everything they can to get people into the hobby if they want to continue to try and milk people for cash while other games come up doing stuff better in a lot of ways for less money.
>>47153293
>Kirby gave him a corpse
This.
Rounbtree may have the best of intentions, but anything he can pull out of his hat will be too little, too late. Kirby has irreparably wrecked the brand by associating Games Workshop in the public eye with such stellar corporate policies as:
Unjustifiably raising prices to absurdity - and beyond
Retaining shit-tier codex writers EVEN AFTER they've proven to be shit-tier
Ditto with shit-tier "loremasters"
Kneejerk C&Ds
Fucking Finecast
The shame that is BL
Their awful, awful website
That insufferable WD thing
"Hurr we're not a game company durr"
Squatting FB
Their utter humiliation at the hands of ChapterHouse's pro bono attorneys
And the King Corn atop their Shit Mountain: AoS
The ONLY way for GW to recover from Kirby's reverse Midas touch would be to halve prices - for a start - and then launch a series of user-friendly development policies from that platform. But, as noted elsewhere -
That's never gonna happen.
>>47151476
>being able to bulk a force out piecemeal with kits I like is a lot easier to justify
But thats already how 40k can work.
>>47156018
>The ONLY way for GW to recover from Kirby's reverse Midas touch would be to halve prices - for a start - and then launch a series of user-friendly development policies from that platform.
You mean like all the starter set boxes they've been giving every army? Or all the boxed games that have at least a hundred bucks worth of free minis that will probably keep on coming 2-3 times per year?
Yeah, never going to happen!.
>>47156018
All right I'll try to be objective of this:
>Unjustifiably raising prices to absurdity - and beyond
Most of it was inflation for products that existed before, like the SM tactical squad, you basically pay nowadays like 2.5 pounds more for a metric fuckton of bitz more. Will agree on the AoS line thoug, unfortunately their approach "let's make everything bigger, including the prices" is not to my taste.
>Retaining shit-tier codex writers EVEN AFTER they've proven to be shit-tier
Won't object that.
>Ditto with shit-tier "loremasters"
Fair enough as well, I think they were starting to try to oush things past the 999 line, around the time AoS was starting, then realised it wasn't the right idea.
>Kneejerk C&Ds
That's not them, honest to god. As a lawfag, I can assure you, that's just UK's laws being retarded, and basically saying that if you don't defend your IP at EVERY occasion, you agree to losing your rights. It's retarded, but that's how it is.
>Fucking Finecast
Cost saving, much easier to use than metal, can you really blame them? Especially under Kirby. They're a business first and foremost, and metal models are basically on borrowed time before the molds die and you lose quality. With resin, however shitty it is? Not so much.
>The shame that is BL
Hit and miss mostly. I do believe they should get rid of Abnett in a principle, his fluff rape lzvel is out of the window, but I'm fairly happy with BL actually. I thi k most of the hate comes from the HH setting, which was never meant to be explained when it was written 20 years ago. Sure they fucked up on many cases, but can you blame the authors when they're supposed to explain something that was not meant to?
>Their awful, awful website
Agree, it's an online shop now. They did several good things in the past few months, opening a fb page for 40k, FW, BL, a website for GD winners, and even a parody for the standard guarsdman, basically a Primer with weekly articles online.
Cont.
>>47156106
That is not the same as an actual price cut and you know it isn't.
Those boxed sets only help if you want what is in them specifically.
>>47156535
You can definitely blame them for doing resin in such an incompetent way.
>>47154071
I started playing 40k when I was 8 years old, I fully understood that I had to assemble and paint them before I bought them. I don't think they will have any issues.
>>47156630
The difference is you were not a millennial.
>>47156542
Yeah ok then I guess the company can never do anything to please you, even when offering products with 50% savings. Yep, fuck GW and everything it does.
>>47156018
>>47156085
Cont.
>That insufferable WD thing
>"Hurr we're not a game company durr"
>Squatting FB
All that is just standard stuff in a standard company man. It's just optimising costs and trying to make money. Not saying it's right or moral, but that shir is fucking standard in the vast and cruel business world.
I've seen comapanies that just snoballed downto bankruptcy in less than 3 hours because of bad result or one bad decision. The market is mostly computers, there are no feelings there, it's just a matter of pros and cons.
Just because it's your hobby and that it's normally nice and dandy doesn't mean it won't adapt to the cruel rules of the market. The company grew thanks to it's shares, and it has to abide by these laws, even the biggest companies in the world with a turnover bigger than 3rd word countries GDP respect those laws.
Again, not saying it's right, just saying it's not something you should be surprised by.
>Their utter humiliation at the hands of ChapterHouse's pro bono attorneys
Well shit happens. Once in a while, the big ones fail because the law is not on their side. So what, they ended up changing names, does that make a difference for us? No. For them? A metric fuckton of IP security.
>And the King Corn atop their Shit Mountain: AoS
Again, rules of the market, something doesn't work, you either change it or scrap it. They did the latter, didn't worked out as well, but still works better than Fantasy, so in that view, is it a success? Absolutely.
All in all, yes they fucked up, but mostly because the guy at the head of the company used it as any head would ise a standard company, and you guys act all surprised when confronted to the cynical workings of the market. It's just how it is.
In al honesty though, it is obvious it didn't work out. GW still manages to be distinct enough in the global market to make its own rules, and that's good, otherwise it would be dead and buried by now.
It'll be hard, but it is still redeemable.
>>47156651
>damn youngsters
Even the ancient greeks were saying that grandpa, get over yourself.
>>47156651
I am though by how the generation is defined, I'm 26. The oldest millennials are now in their 30s.
>>47156677
Why are you being such an apologist? Are we supposed to thank GW for acting vaguely sensible after all the shitty and incompetent things they have done? Those 50% savings are from a crazy baseline and only work if you want specific things.
Why should I applaud them for destroying the game I liked and replacing the models with utter shit? Even before AoS they were going downhill in fluff, rules and models and they have shown no sign of trying to get better.
>>47156018
>>47156535
>>47156694
Final point:
>The ONLY way for GW to recover from Kirby's reverse Midas touch would be to halve prices - for a start - and then launch a series of user-friendly development policies from that platform.
I hate to be vulgar, but that's fucking retarded. Every time that argument is used, it's immediately BTFO by simple economics showing that NO, reducing prices by 50% would not result in sales doubling.
Reducing prices now would just make them lose money, and that's not something any company wants.
Their system of bundles and boxed games on the other hand enables them to sell their stuff pretty well, as they don't lose money, since obviously the costs are low, and continue to earn thanks to the bundle, as people are more likely to buy thanks to the reduced prices.
Stuff like BaC, Renegade, Overkill, that shor is golden for them. Sells perfectly, people are happy, gives them a new base to sell other products on, and try the waters. Plus if they're cheeky they don't even need to write rules if they re-publish older stuff like with Lost Patrol. Money and sympathy factors from older fans. Gains on every front.
All in all, the shit decisions dere the standard ones that you would see in a standard comapany with shares, i.e benefits, always want benefits, and the new decisons MIGHT help them get them out of the hole that put them into. And they're on a good path for now.
>>47156735
and even ancients Greeks were right
>>47156896
>they can't reduce prices without losing money
>but bundling stuff at a discount is fine
>they don't lose money
And who's the retard?
>>47156677
Actuly its more or less than 50% based the army. Undead box, skeletons anyway, are for 80 bucks with the main dude being 80, 34 for the cav, then 24 for the 10 skeletons. However with that single box come ebough bits to actually make over 70 models if you are bash wise like me
>>47156894
So when they finally make an effort you prefer to shit on them and say it's not enough?
Mate, one step at a time.
I don't expect to get a 40k fixed in one codex or plastic sisters out of the blue.
Shit takes time, effort, and such efforts should be encouraged, not even necessarily by buying, but at least acknowledging that "Hey, nice one,good effort, I like that, let's see how the rest goes!" Until it goes on for long enough for us to say that the standard course of action is good rather than shit.
>>47156931
>Making a bundle on units that help you start an army, encouraging you to then buy the other kits that are themselves full price
>Reducing EVERYTHING by 50%
See the difference in intensity?
>>47156694
WHFB was still profitable and still one of the best selling games on the market. They could have easily turned it around if they had anybody with sense still working there.
And it is making less money than fantasy did while costing them a fortune to set up, how is that 'better'? The 'rules of the market' do not force you to make every wrong decision possible or to deliberately alienate your most important customers.
>>47156894
>Why are you being such an apologist?
Im not being an apologist, I just see good things for what they are, good things. You want cheap miniatures? Go get some bones or some army men or whatever the fuck, you obviously have a bone to pick and will never be satisfied no matter what they do.
Evil GW will always be evil and out to get you, even when they give you discounts when you wanted discounts.
>>47156987
>but they can't reduce prices they'll lose money!
>bundles
See where you fucked up you idiot?
>>47149077
Prices don't matter if you don't need to buy a lot.
Warmachine and Hordes are both successful and PP charges for them prices that around or worse than what GW does for arguably worse quality. The difference is however that you don't need as many models, same goes for Infinity, Malifaux, and possibly X-Wing.
Quality non-historical models to go along with a gaming system is a pipe dream and seemingly one that a company doesn't even need to attempt to works towards in order to be successful.
I would be surprised if GW takes note of this and AoS armies using a points system are smaller than 40k.
>>47149210
Holy shit, are people honestly complaining about the new Dark Elf model in the Silver Tower board game?
GW's online fanbase continues to make an mockery of itself.
>>47152543
There is really nothing wrong with the models other than they're more monopose than in the past.
The same people moaning and groaning about AoS models the loudest were the same people doing the same thing during 8th Edition Fantasy and possibly with most recent 40k releases. They're people who automatically have it in their minds that anything old is gold and anything new is shit.
This is why it was so fucking hilarious when GW revealed via the AoS facebook that Brian Nelson sculpted the Warboss model for AoS and everything else in the range was based on it. When the pictures first came out you had at least a handful of people talking about how they didn't compare to what Brian Nelson did in the past.
>>47156944
But I do not fucking care. They will not bring back WHFB and even if they did the models, fluff and rules would not be anywhere near the standard it was because they simply do not possess the ability to make a good game any more.
They also won't even try to fix 40k. Nearly every single thing wrong with the game is a deliberate choice on their part to try and make more money. Even though its what is causing them to decline in market share and lose players.
>>47157004
No it was not.
Because it was such a shitstorm to get started with Fantasy, most players were oldfags that would try their utmost to not buy anything from GW. The fanbase you are talking about made sure to buy as few kits as possible from official sources. It might sound overly simplified, but indirectly, they kinda caused their own demise. Just like SoB and brettonia got caught in their vicious circle of "No development because no one buys them, no one buys them because no development".
People can cry all they want, AoS was shit to start with, I still dislike most of the aesthetic, but I see oldfags playing with newcomers at my FLG, happy to finally have some new blood around, and not the eternal same 3 neckbeards around the same table every now and then. That alone makes it a succes, even with baby steps.
Sure the game was a mess when it started. But they're slowly picking up the pieces, and I do believe they'll end up with something appropriate for both old and new fans.
>>47157123
Then why are you here? What the fuck is wrong with you that you engage in shit you dont care? Jesus man let it go and play other games, go play mordheim or whatever flicks your clit.
>>47157053
There's a difference between reducing the prices by 50% on everything and reducing the prices by a much smaller margin on some selected stuff that encourages to buy more afterwards.
The argument of "cutting prices by 50% will lead to a doubling of sales" is beyond retarded, and against basic economics.
>Still more expensive than Chinese knock offs
>Game still requires a million figures to be playable
I'll pass on these. They may be good deals for those used to GW's prices, but they are still overpriced when compared to what other companies offer.
How the fuck are there so many people in this thread that don't know about these? These are like several months old rumors.
>>47157004
>They could have easily turned it around if they had anybody with sense still working there.
I would not doubt that there were some people with some sense left in the GW ranks. The problem is common employees can't overrule the CEO.
>>47157053
t. Some Aussie cunt too poor to buy at even 50% so he has a brain fart on the Internet
Supermarkets sell stuff like milk often at a loss (after transport and refrigeration)
Why? As loss leaders to get people in
Wfb died because kirby mandated they force people to buy more models so they added hordes and that killed them getting new players. Also it stopped existing players getting extra armies
40k is hated for the recent riptides etc but it means people can paint up an army faster
But arguing with autists in the Internet is a thankless task
>>47157021
So you are happy to pay 5 dollars for a shitty monopose naked dwarf?
The fact you spew this shit when other companies make models that are both superior in quality and half the price or less is just sad.
>>47157075
They are awful models. The same people did it because they disliked them for the same reasons. Its not because 'hurr old good new bad'.
Are people not allowed to dislike when a company changes the aesthetic in a way they dislike now? Must we gladly swallow anything they give us in case idiots on the internet accuse us of having nostalgia goggles?
>>47157204
>but they are still overpriced when compared to what other companies offer.
You realize literally all the other big name miniature companies with actual playerbases charge even more per miniature?
Privateer Press, FFG X-Wing, Corvus Belli, Wyrd, etc.
>>47157123
>But I do not fucking care.
Jesus fucking christ go throw a tantrum elsewhere then. You admit yourself that you hate it for the purpose of whining about it.
I don't even play AoS, yet I enjoy seeing people getting into the hobby for the first time or after a few years because Fantasy was such a shitfest.
Let people have their fun. Make an AoS hate thread if you want and go circle jerk against it but please by all means, let people enjoy their stuff, don't go full "stop liking what don't like!"
>>47157228
But those games don't cost nearly as much to play, and the models are typically just in individual blisters. When you compare their individual blisters, their figures are cheaper than GWs, even with larger 32mm figures on the line.
>B-but Kill Team
You did say actual playerbase
>>47157208
The same kinf of people that reduse to let go and realise that their "super duper game" was dead and buried already, and end up shiposting without any knowledge.
>>47157155
>go play mordheim or whatever flicks your clit.
i laughed.
I would like everyone to see pic related. You are, infact, saving money. And they did do you a service by including two very large models that you can easily clip and make OTHER units out of, especially that fucking mortis engine. You have Banshees, Skeletons for summoning units, and more fucking spirit hosts.
>>47157148
If you are just going to pretend WHFB was unprofitable what is the point. Not a single source has suggested anything of the sort. And it is never acceptable to blame the fanbase when a company drives them away.
Your anecdote does not change the fact AoS is being reported as a disaster almost everywhere. If any other company had released it then it would have sunk without trace after being laughed at for being awful. Nothing about AoS can be fixed with point values, it is flawed on a fundamental level.
>>47157155
I like WHFB and I like talking about it. I just happen to not be willing to let it pass when I see people talking utter nonsense.
>>47157228
>Le those minis cost more logical fallacy.
Buy you don't need multiple squads of multiple models to play any of those except warmahordes you retarded assmonkey.
Not to mention the larger GW minis cost as much as entire armies for other games.
>Knight $140.
You can get almost 3 armies for xwing with that.
Or an entire infinity army with options.
Or a wyrd force with subs.
You're fucking retarded and this argument is terrible. Even for a 40kuck-kiddie.
>>47157266
>When you compare their individual blisters, their figures are cheaper than GWs
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>>47157123
Just give up on GW's game design department. Like their art department, most with talent has since left. I personally use my WHFB minis to play D&D and Kings of War, both of which are largely free from the bullshit that anything GW has touched faces. The only real loss is the lore. Nothing can bring that back unless GW decides to amend their ways and retcon everything.
>>47157351
What?! Large minis cost more than smaller minis? MADNESS!
>Buy you don't need multiple squads of multiple models to play any of those
So you're saying that its cheaper to buy GW minis and play using other rules that require less models? Crazy.
>>47157366
They are prepainted, what do you expect? Just look at any of the human-sized million part 32mm figures that Wyrd makes for $11 and compare them to the $30 blisters that GW makes.
>>47157342
I can give you back the same argument: guve me a proper source actually showing that nowadays AoS is still bombing and that Fantasy was selling well.
Now we can jerk ourselves to our own opinion all day until the thread dies, or you can try to look at the original point which was " Hey look at the new measures GW is taking, that looks promising, I'm hopeful for the future!" Or continue to cry about something that is in the past now, instead of sucking it up like others did and now enjoy the game for what it is rather than hating it for what it is not.
>>47157334
No Dorf bundle still?
>>47157393
>So you're saying that its cheaper to buy GW minis
No retard.
The cheast GW blisters are still more expensive on a 1:1 basis if not more expensive than a infinity and xwing blister.
>GW $16 for one guy in a blister
>Xwing $11
>Infinity $10
You're literally retarded. I feel bad for you.
>>47157260
Why are you so angry that some people call it as they see it instead of pretending GW has massively reformed itself?
And AoS has done nothing but fracture the fantasy community and scare off new people with silly prices.
>>47157376
That is why I find it so daft you get attacked for pointing out these measures won't save them. The quality of what they make is still going downhill while prices increase. With how many wargames are on the market its no surprise they are stagnating while wargaming as a whole grows.
>>47157351
>Knight
Nothing forces you to buy those fuckhuge models.
And let's remember that comparing X-wing prices with GW models is silly considering you pay more for GW on the pinciple that it is made in the UK and has to be imported. X-wing is from the US IIRC, less costs, hence smaller prices.
>>47157437
not yet, but they seem to be making their rounds.
>>47157489
>And let's remember that comparing X-wing prices with GW models is silly considering you pay more for GW on the pinciple that it is made in the UK and has to be imported. X-wing is from the US IIRC, less costs, hence smaller prices.
>hes right you know
>>47157489
>And let's remember that I'm a retard.
Thanks, I almost forgot.
Actually it's still cheaper.
I don't live in america I just use their prices because it's easier. GW is still the most expensive game. Infinity and Xwing are on par with each other. Your import tax excuse is bullshit unless you live in australinambia.
>>47153210
Anyone who stuck around in 8th Edition and loved the changes it brought would likely have been incredibly disappointed even if GW didn't change the lore because some of the changes GW implemented with 8th Edition, such as increased unit size and being rewarded for taking larger units, were what likely caused Fantasy to tail spin in the first place.
They would have had to adopt a strategy similar to one they employ in 40k where what you get in the box is usually good enough to field, not this bullshit of needing to buy 2-3 more boxes.
>What could possibly motivate you to defend GW when they did literally everything wrong and are being deliberately spiteful to the people who loved their game?
Because the GW fanbase is infinitely worse than the company itself in the way they act. It's even worse in that they don't contain themselves, but instead bring their toxic behavior over to other growing games.
>>47154365
To my knowledge GW did and still might have stuff akin to what your describing where you got three models per box. Evidently they didn't sell that great, at least in the market GW was trying to sell them, could have done better in big box stores maybe.
>>47156535
>I thi k most of the hate comes from the HH setting, which was never meant to be explained when it was written 20 years ago. Sure they fucked up on many cases, but can you blame the authors when they're supposed to explain something that was not meant to?
That's not really a glowing defense of the HH. To me that reads like it was always shit and people finally caught on to it.
A lot of the complaints, the daddy issues foremost among them, were already present in the lore and in some instances were originally worse and have since arguably changed for the better. Mortarion went from someone mad over getting killstealed to viewing the Emperor as just another tyrant and having a mistrust of psychic powers, in the beginning at least.
>>47157422
Why are you pretending that the only reason people dislike is because WHFB died? Its a fundamentally flawed game that was made with the minimum of effort put into the rules. Its also perfectly valid to judge a game against what it replaced.
I do not understand this bizarre idea that playing AoS should somehow be the default after WHFB was killed. Why reward them for doing that and why play AoS instead of any of the superior options?
>>47157473
I'm angry because anon admits that he's mad and has a go at AoS just because he can. The way they see it is not wrong, ot has some truths in it, but it's jaded by the desire to stay mad and say that everything is shit and that nothign will change that.
And as I said, all I've seen is actually fairly positive for entry numbers in AoS. Sure enough one or two neckbeards grumbled that their WAAC list were scrapped, but after that, I saw some guys that I hadn't seen in years coming back, and helping out the newcomers.
Internet is always where a small minority can appear as an overwhelming majority because it's easy to manipulate. I didn't see any fractures apart from the ones that /tg/ predicted. On the contrary.
>>47157543
Well no. I can also take GW UK prices and compare them with Xwing UK prices and chances are, suddenly Xwing will see its prices jacked up.
>>47157595
Then your LGS is very strange indeed. AoS has caused a huge influx of players for other games. I don't want to 'stay mad'. I want GW to fix their fuck up. I just realise they won't.
>waac lists
Oh this bullshit strawman again. Most people expect a game to have functional rules and this does not make them powergamers.
>>47157595
>they're right
>but I don't have to admit because hurr durr internet minority
Double retard
>>47157557
That is kinda what I'm saying about the HH yes.
It was made in a setting made up as a joke, some background info thrown in to give it some quick history, a basis.
People getting mad over that is just silly, it was never meant to be A class prose or coherent. I'm more impressed by the fact that we get some decent-to good books out of that, especially when authors have to handle their ideas, 20 years old fluff, and the work of others that sometimes go completely against what they wanted to do.
>>47157624
the starter sett cost about 10 dollors more than it does in the US. 34.99 GPD (roughley $50.44) vs $39.99 (without taxes, of course)
>>47157624
>Living in english speaking syria.
Lol
If you want to buy xwing in england you have to find a good retailer.
Infinity is still half the price of GW stuff, and that's even giving GW 20% off msrp.
rekt
>>47157739
Gib money and benefits.
Seriously though, it's late and I've drank too much before coming back.
Okay fair enough I was wrong in prices. But then again, nothing forces you to buy fuckhuge models with their outrageous prices.
Smaller boxes are still expensive, yes, but then again, so is pretty much eveththing of the same quality.
Anyway, pat yoursleves on the back boys, you won an internet argument I guess. Now you can proudly claim that everyone admits that AoS is shit beyond rédemption, and so is GW, and that whatever they do won't change that.
>>47157155
You're pondering one of the great mysteries of the universe.
I know when I don't care for something, I don't constantly rage about it on the internet. Portions of the GW fanbase are incapable of this though, they claim that they don't like what GW is currently putting out and yet still follow releases and still find the time to complain about them.
>>47157215
They're awful models in your opinion.
AoS models don't get a fair shake in some places because Fantasy players are still salty as fuck and still operating under the misconception that AoS is Fantasy and GW is somehow bound to follow the latter's aesthetics to a T. In some cases such as Chaos and Orcs they have retained some of the aesthetics because they work, others like the Stormcast and to an extent Fyreslayers have nothing they can rightly be compared to.
But this extends beyond AoS where models in 40k and Fantasy get stupid criticisms thrown at them such as being too big or in the case of 40k not making any sense, like any of GW's model designers have ever tried to design something that had any but the plausibility of realism to it.
I mentioned nostalgia because that honestly does play a big part when people start going on about how they don't like the new model compared to older ones, even worse when they tried to use nebulous terms such as character as a justification.
I don't give a shit if people don't like the models GW puts out, they're not all winners in my book either, but have the common decency to not start pulling criticisms out of your ass and don't act like GW just committed some horrendous war crime.
>>47157965
Have my approval anon.
>>47157836
Chill out buddy, and ease up on the fermented poison.
I just want people to stop posting this abortion of a argument;
>Le those minis cost more logical fallacy.
I don't like AoS but I actually think WQ at least looks neat.
Anyway, have a good night.
>>47157053
You know, you're only digging yourself into the ground deeper Anon. It's time to stop posting. Go outside for a walk, or failing that, just sit and relax for a bit on say a couch.
I've not said a word this whole time, and seriously, the other Anon has a ton of points, all you've done is "Nuh uh! Nuh uh!" and insult him instead of providing your own opinions backed up by logic.
>>47157266
>>47157351
That is costs less to play those games because you need less in no way refutes the simple fact that comparing price to price the other companies are not much better than GW or worse.
I notice as well that no one is really trying to compare the price between bigger things, all going after the low hanging fruit of GW's clampacks.
>>47157473
>while wargaming as a whole grows.
Is that really true or is the truth actually that other things within the traditional games market are causing it to grow and wargames are just latching on with some people using it as fodder against big bad GW?
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/32102/hobby-games-market-climbs-880-million
>In order to arrive at the estimate for the total industry, we compiled estimates on five individual categories: collectible games, miniatures, board games, card and dice games, and roleplaying games. We found that the collectible games category was by far the largest, at $550 million; miniatures and hobby board games were tied for second, at $125 million each; hobby card and dice games were fourth at $55 million; and RPGs last at $25 million.
>Regardless, even with the higher estimates for 2013, the growth rate was a robust 20%, with RPGs growing the fastest, at a 67% rate; and miniatures the lowest growth category, with flat sales in 2014 compared to 2013.
>>47157559
>Why are you pretending that the only reason people dislike is because WHFB died?
Because a lot of people dislike it for exactly that reason and can't even find it in themselves to look at some of the appealing aspects that shine through.
>>47157711
The joke angle works if all they had written about the HH was in the beginning of 40k's life, it kind of falls apart when they write more about in WD with regards to the histories of various SM Chapters and that is largely what people compare to the current HH to.
>>47158130
> because you need less in no way refutes the simple fact that comparing price to price the other companies are not much better than GW or worse.
Holy fuck you retard. It's even earlier in the thread.
>The cheapest GW blisters are still more expensive on a 1:1 basis if not more expensive than a infinity and xwing blister.
>GW $16 for one guy in a blister
>Xwing $11
>Infinity $10
Stop while you're ahead.
>>47157557
>To my knowledge GW did and still might have stuff akin to what your describing where you got three models per box
Yeah, they do the cheap little boxes, but those are 4 ork boyz or 3 space marines for $10 which isn't that great as an entry way into the game because at that price 20 boyz is $50, that's not a cheap route in what so ever.
Black Reach starter retailed at $75 (at launch and was later price hiked upwards) had:
1 Space Marine Captain
10 Tactical Space Marines
5 Space Marine Terminators
1 Space Marine Dreadnought
1 Ork Warboss
20 Ork Boyz
5 Ork Nobz
3 Ork Deffkoptas
Plus rules book, templates etc.
Assuming half was each army's value, even if we say you save $5 and the rest of the stuff is completely free that's ~$40 per army.
So $10 for 10 Marines, 20 Boyz, 5 Nobz, 3 Koptaz, a Dread, Warboss or Captain
>>47158189
Woops, meant to say each army was 4 types of units, so assuming they cost equal each would be $10.
>>47157489
wot. xwing minis are just significantly more expensive full stop. it just has the illusion of being cheaper because a normal "army" is only 3 or 4 minis.
>>47157672
it's not just his. AoS has become huge compared to how fantasy was in the gaming clubs I'm familiar with.
>>47158238
> "xwing minis are just significantly more expensive full stop."
On average they're 4 pounds cheaper than a GW blister, going by uk pricing.
>just has the illusion of being cheaper because a normal "army" is only 3 or 4 minis.
>buying 4 minis is an illusion.
Are you people actually getting dumber by the minute?
>>47157520
>>47157543
>>47157489
>>47158238
If you view each X-wing figure as a "Character" class unit, even the cheapest 40k characters are ~£8 while the cheaper X-wing ones are about £10 for pre-painted.
I would say that's about equal price wise and I'd say it's fair enough that they'd be slightly more since you'd be expected to buy so many less figures with x-wing.
Even if we just look on the expensive end, some special characters like commander farsight are £30 for a single mini while the most expensive ship I've seen for Xwing was what, £28 for the slave-1?
X-wing is a cheaper game to play by far when you compare like to like and I don't know if you've noticed but smaller scale skirmishy stuff has been on the rise in terms of player interest anyway.
>>47158297
AoS did funny things, my club's Fantasy players moved to other games and the only people playing AoS still play 40k as their main game but buying seemingly way more stuff now.
>>47158338
yeah but the GW blisters are just an optional but unneeded fancy mini. plenty of people just build their characters out of the same $3-4 that make up the rest of their army and represent GWs standard stuff.
the illusion is that 4 minis for $60 seems cheaper than 10 for $40 just because the 4 xwing minis are a typical full army, making the less you really get have a veneer of seemingly more.
Looks pretty interesting, I have been thinking about getting more into 40k. Can you multiple games of different editions with the same army? I would prefer to play orkz.
>>47158601
yes. the minis are forwards compatible. I still play occasionally with minis I got in 1993.
>>47158601
I have miniatures from 3rd edition still in my Army, some things never really become obsolete.
>>47158657
>>47158682
That is good to know, it would suck if you wanted to play a previous edition to find out one or your units doesn't have rules. Plus there is plenty of homebrew rules floating around.
If I have a good ork army I might also have the urge to play with genestealer orkz.
>>47158727
GW usually add some new units each update. so not everything is backwards compatible (there's no 5e rules for the gorkanaught for example). but you can usually counts as the unit as something else if you want to play older editions.
>>47158794
That is cool to know. Thanks anon
>>47158179
Cool, you're still comparing clampacks to clampacks. Now show me a kit from PP, CB, or Wyrd where the number of models is equivalent to and costs less than a GW kit.
>>47158922
Exemplar Bastions $45
Terminators $50
Keep in mind that the Bastions are larger than terminators in the first place. The discounts are even steeper when compared with other companies that do bulk plastics ranging from Dreamforge to Perry.
>>47159006
>the Bastions are larger than terminators in the first place.
But Termies come with gear options. IIRC Warmachine infantry only has single gear variant with no spare bits (and the mechs have like three different sets of arms)
>>47159056
>Paying more for useless extras.
This is why more games aren't doing WYSIWYG anymore to throw in a ton of doodards Because it artificially inflates the cost of boxes.
If you weren't a drooling imbecile maybe you could figure some of this stuff out.
>>47159056
Alright, if those somehow don't count then what about the many models that GW makes which have no options at all? The Malifaux Waldgeists are half of the price of the GW Treekin. What about the many many viable proxies for GW games like the Warlord Landsnechkt, which are less than half of the price of GW's greatswords?
>>47159133
options aren't usless extra, they're a valuable one. you don't use them all at once but the point is that they let you customize your minis and their loadouts easily.
>>47159190
Until GW shits on the model and makes those options useless or non existent. Or makes and entirely different model that does everything the one you bought obsolete
>>47159269
>Paying for a model based on arbitrary power in a game
>Not paying for the model you enjoy
>>47153587
>So you're on the "burn your army" croud no thanks
Lolwut? Where I say anything like this? I just admit long ago that GW and their products aren't made for wargame community. They are the cancer, like EA/Activision.
>>47159269
GW haven'tbeen any more prone too that than anyone else.
>>47159006
Like another Anon said, PP kits do come with less options, so that is one strike against them.
A greater one to me would be the quality of plastic and where the model is actually manufactured. PP for the most part uses PVC plastic and manufactures in China. GW uses polystyrene and manufactures in the UK.
>>47159156
It really doesn't work to compare historicals to fantasy and science fiction models because of the possible difference in market size and at the very least the fact that no one has dibs on history and thus that allows for greater competition.
Sure you can get a bunch of models that look similar to what GW produces and for some people that will be fine and for others that will be a deal breaker. Personally if I was building an Empire army I'd have to really think about using third party models because cohesiveness and looking true to the original would be important factors for me.
>>47159335
If it wasn't for GW the wargaming market would probably be even smaller than it already is. They're still one of the only companies who have IPs which people in bigger markets like video games have shown an interest in.
If you're a fan of building and painting your own models you'll probably want GW to at least hang around and be some kind of force, because the alternative is games like X-Wing securing an even further grip on the market than they already have.
>>47159408
There are still Sci-Fi and Fantasy manufacturers who make cheaper proxies like Dreamforge and Avatars of War. If you are stuck on sticking to the original, then that is entirely your problem, but that stands as testament to how GWs plastic kits are still more expensive than the other ones in the market.
>>47159408
>If it wasn't for GW the wargaming market would probably be even smaller than it already is
So what? And by the way market may be smaller, but better.
>If you're a fan of building and painting your own models you'll probably want GW to at least hang around and be some kind of force, because the alternative is games like X-Wing securing an even further grip on the market than they already have.
Top fucking kek, false dichotomy, there is shitton of alternatives and they stand in straight opposition to GW's direction.
>>47159910
>straight opposition to GW's direction
that's not always a good thing.
There seems to be a big trend towards skirmish games. Which is a shame because large battle games are so much better and GW is pretty much the only option for that at its scale that actually has players.
>>47159910
>Top fucking kek, false dichotomy, there is shitton of alternatives and they stand in straight opposition to GW's direction.
That doesn't change the fact that none of them rival GW or FFG in size.
X-Wing and games like it are already taking big chunks out of the market, it may not be the doom for more traditional wargames, but it's not a good sign either.
>>47160159
Skirmish I've always seen as a simple sign of the times and want people currently want. They want small armies that they get together quickly and play, they want games that don't take forever, they want the ability to own multiple different armies and not be stuck with just one or two because of financial and rules restraints.
>>47148576
Except this isnt a reliable way to get people into the hobby.
What Games Workshop needs, but no longer has is the old timers, grognards, neckbeards, regulars, casuals, etc. - that hang out in flgs' and comic shops - to sell newcomers on the game.
40k used to be the most common and popular game in the hobby. That was a huge selling point. Thats what kept bringing in new blood.
Now, people are dissuading newbies from 40k. Games Workshop needs to correct this or watch 40k shrink to a fraction of its size.
>>47160159
>that's not always a good thing.
Always, since GW's direction is "bad designed overlriced models and poor game-design".
>X-Wing and games like it are already taking big chunks out of the market, it may not be the doom for more traditional wargames, but it's not a good sign either
Nah, it's okay because of:
1)X-wing succeed because it was SW game with really great ruleset.
2) it's a little different niche, just like DoW popularity didn't killed skirmish games.
>>47160159
skirmish games aren't too bad, most of the time, their either board games with collectible bits, or full fledged war games. Board games aren't bad if you are willing to keep the same dudes, but the expansion characters you can collect are cheap as hell.
it's the full fledged war games that can get expensive, but not as bad as GW.
Anyone got anymore Geedubya news?
>>47160751
just the plans to bring back supplement games like BFG and Epic in some form
>>47160949
I saw one one for warhammer quest, people are going bonkers because the Priest is aSalamander
>>47160267
oh i get the appeal of skirmish games and play few myself. but I also like too get a whole platoon of infantry and a few squads tanks out at once and have a good battle. Sure there are 6mm for 10mm games for that but the smaller minis just aren't as good looking or appealing.
>>47148803
At the last store owner meeting the brits did take note of the demand in the us for plastic sisters.
Doesn't guarantee shit but they were suprised at the apparent interest state side.
>>47160383
>it's the full fledged war games that can get expensive, but not as bad as GW.
GW games aren't especially expensive compared too other games. Like most it's really only as expensive as you want it to be. But spending a few hundred on a force is what most people do be it for warhammer or warmachine or firestorm or whatever.
>>47156542
Just imagine what would happen if they just cut the prices we have now I'm half.
That's right, uproar in the community because people just bought that kit last month for full price. GW has to take the changes slow and the starter boxes etc. are a start
>>47161662
>and the starter boxes etc. are a start
Nice try Kirby.
>>47161926
>still thinking it's Kirby.
the new guy is Rountree.
as much as like to talk shit about companies, at least try to get the right CEO.
>>47162070
>the new guy is Rountree
Who cares, GW is always will be GW.
>>47162211
But if GW is constant, shouldn't we still be living in the golden age of 20 Imperial Guardsmen for £18?
>>47163444
Nope they become constant after this.
>>47156106
>you mean x
No. Not at all.
>gw gives us free minis
Shill better.
>>47157183
>"cutting prices by 50% will lead to a doubling of sales" is beyond retarded
Then you night have surmised that that is not the reason it was suggested. GW's root problem is trying to sell unassembled, unpainted plastic wound counters to the Worst Generation when every dime store has sacks of the things priced at pennies the pound.
Q. So, who's going to buy this silly company's wildly overpriced shit in the quantities they need to shift in order to remain solvent?
A. Not eKids. They literally can't stop staring at their mobiles long enough to give a fuck about Meatspace and social rituals like The Hobby.
And if they want to sell in quantity to any other demographic, they're going to have to admit that they went too far, and mend their error. Hence the prognosis:
Never gonna happen.
>>47163797
Too bad the cut prices meme is often spouted by neckbeards not concerned with new blood, but their own wallet.
>>47150471
Eh, it's not that bad. It's only the portion of Hel reserved for Oathbreakers, Adulterers, and Murderers (which is only people who have killed dishonorably and not paid the proper blood price of course), that's so cold it's intolerable.
>>47163797
My local GW store has plenty of teenagers who play. I dunno what the fuck you're on about.
>>47148756
Warhammer Classic.
Coming soon.
>>47151139
No beetroot or pineapple.
>>47163797
>Not eKids. They literally can't stop staring at their mobiles long enough to give a fuck about Meatspace and social rituals like The Hobby.
And the printing press will ruin the written word! Just you wait!
eKids are all over a bunch of hobbies. They gather their magics, d their ds and cross their wings. A lot get into the warhammers, but it doesn't have the sticking power other hobbies do for various reasons.
>>47164271
Reminder to do your part and help these teenagers feel comfortable, and encourage fun to play/fluffy lists.
>>47150394
>>47150096
>>47150005
Does anyone reading /tg/ ever feel physical pain from the autism? This reads like some 12 year old who popped onto the internet for the first time and thinks spouting random things in all caps is cool.
>>47165163
The shitpost was quite heavy indeed.
>>47165163
Yes, it's usually when someone spergs out to some insane degree and starts crying because something has some kind of anime reference in it, or when people insist that space combat is impossible because nobody would ever put weapons on spaceships (when we've been putting weapons on spaceships since the middle of the cold war).
>>47165726
>weapons on space ships during the cold war
Wat? Sounds interesting.
>>47165917
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun
>>47164736
Is the warhammer classic some kind of textual sarcasm
>>47164736
In America, we have a burger that is Ham, cream cheese, and pineapple slice on it.
Most places that sell call it a Hawaiian Burger, pretty good when you can get it.
>>47167169
I think it's supposed to be a joke about New Coke and Coke Classic.
>>47167312
>In America, we have a burger that is Ham, cream cheese, and pineapple slice on it.
by ham you mean a hamburger right? There are also variations with an onion ring on it for some reason...
>>47165917
>>47165955
Also fractional orbital bombardment systems, also brilliant pebbles, ABMs with nuclear warheads, also current kinetic kill ABMS.
The entire history of space technology from past to present is full of weaponry and and some people still insist that space warfare is impossible, even though a war in LEO could easily have happened if the cold war went differently.
>>47158130
There are no appealing aspects though. It's a pretty poor skirmish game which plenty of other rulesets handle better. And this is from the company that gave us the LoTR system which, for all the flaws the line had, was a fantastic skirmish game.
>>47167762
No I mean it's a beef patty with a slice of teriyaki glazed ham on it.
Onion rings are also something you can out on it, but hamburgers have a variety of weird toppingsone is like chunky peanutbutter.
