Competitive Modern Magic discussion
>Which version of Eldrazi will triumph?
>Eldrazi Taxes, RG Eldrazi, C Eldrazi Tron, others...
>>47131229
They're gonna be dead soon.
All that's left are salty players who are still denying their cheating deck and easy skillless wins are gone.
The deck in its current state underperforms and will be gone soon.
I'm gonna start building towards UB faeries. The combination of synergy aggro, disruption and control really appeals to me.
Any suggestion on this decklist? Would scion of oona have a spot somewhere? Probably going to take out the SB clique for it.
Hate to say it but part of me misses the Eldrazi menace just because I played Elves and it was actually a great matchup. I Chorded for a Tajuru Preserver 6 times in a side event at a GP and had it blank an All is Dust 5 times. The one time it didn't work the guy had Dismember with Simian Spirit Guide. Oh well can't win them all.
Now it's Jund and Tron meta again and game is hard.
>>47131327
Forgot to post list
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-05-16-ub-faeries/
Is thopter foundry combo not a thing anymore? Looks like it's still tier 3
>>47131333
>part of me misses the Eldrazi
>Now it's Jund and Tron meta again
Play Eldrazi then. Eldrazi beats both, you just need to find the right list. RG with World Breaker sounds very good in this scenario.
>>47131411
Shits too slow to be viable and people are starting to realize it.
>>47131418
Nah cbf building another deck.
I'll actually tweak the Elves build back to pre-Eldrazi levels to fight against Ugin/Pyro/O-Stone and Jund hate or I'll start playing B/W Tokens since Anguished Unmaking exists now to answer Ugin in Tron and i'll play a bit more of a creature package with Brimaz/Hero of Bladehold. I'll even give Westvale Abbey a shot in the list somewhere.
>>47131327
You don't want to be that one guy who plays faeries and insists his losses is due to how hard the deck is, and not because the deck is just shit.
>>47131411
Only gets run in U/W Tron reliably. Most people have started packing hate for the combo already. Why do you think Wheel of Sun and Moon spiked to $30 at one point?
>>47131411
The combo falls apart to graveyard hate and/or artifact hate. People had 6-8 sideboard slots for it before it ever even got unbanned.
Behold the healthy modern format we've been waiting for.
>>47131327
I run one Scion in my mainboard since it's cool enough to draw in to that I don't mind seeing it in a regular game.
I'd also strongly suggest splashing Red for Terminate and Kolaghan's Command, they work well with your Faeries.
Also, note that the Faeries synergy, whilst endlessly amusing, is simply not awesome. I've been playing it for 3 years and whilst it's my favourite deck it is not a good deck.
>>47131341
This is a very typical list. I don't like it, but when people say Modern Faeries this is what they mean.
>>47131411
People got very excited about it and are now realising it's crap, just like everyone jammed 4 AV into their deck and spiked the price just to realise it did nothing for them.
>>47132147
>tfw no amulet bloom
Hey guys. I have a bunch of conspiracy packs and have already opened a few. Was lucky and got a foil brainstorm and Dack. Now im wondering if anyone knows off the top of their heads any good modern cards in this set. Thanks!
>>47132147
>Same decks over and over
>>47132147
>Jund #1
It's odd. It has so many weaknesses in this meta. People are just devoted to making it work.
>Burn #2
Can't say I'm surprised. Popular deck and it's very powerful. Well, except against Abzan Company.
>Abzan Company #3
About time people realize this deck is crazy. Can't stop The Coco Roulette.
>Affinity #4
Visible drop in popularity here. It will return eventually.
>Infect #5
Surprised it's still Tier 1. The meta has adjusted enough for aggro to be contained.
>Tron #6
Surprised it's still Tier 1. Ugin looks very strong in this meta though.
>Jeskai #7
Surprised it's still Tier 2. Deck is excellent in this particular metagame and warrants more usage. Restoration Angel is a star.
>Zoo #8
I mean it's good, yes, but Burn is probably overall better. Tarmogoyf gives the deck a better midrange plan so maybe it's really just a meta deck.
>Merfolk #9
It's an ordinary deck.
>Scapeshift #10
Temur and BTL are okay. It's a cool archetype that isn't THAT good, unfortunately. It can durdle into nothing and just can't find answers to aggro consistently fast enough. Tier 2 spot deserved.
>Abzan #11
Jund is better because Lightning Bolt is very important right now. Still a good meta deck.
>Kiki Chord #12
Nahiri is very good, guys. This could rise higher.
>Grixis #13
Kommand spam may be good, but Jeskai has a better sideboard. GDD into AV is pretty cool though.
>the rest
Shit. Eldrazi could be explored more maybe, and Grishoalbrand is still a cunt deck.
>>47132738
>Infect
>Aggro
get your Vengvines now guys. dredge is alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNwRJ0SKIfI
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/411319#paper
this is my secret tech
>>47132738
>>Jund #1
>It's odd. It has so many weaknesses in this meta. People are just devoted to making it work.
>so many weaknesses in this meta
>weaknesses in this meta
>>47132738
It's more like Jund is the fallback reliable answer that people are flocking to when they don't know what to prepare for in this new meta.
>>47132868
>tier 4 trash can deck beats tier 5 burning medical waste landfill
>>47132956
Tron says Hi
>>47133096
Yep, Jund has like a 50% across the board so people go to it when they're not sure what else to use.
>>47131327
>>47131341
Mistbind is not a good card in any matchup other than BGx. Burn doesn't care about it. Abzan Company doesn't care about it. Combo/Control just laugh. It may have been a great card in Extended, but it doesn't belong in any Modern mainboard.
>>47133112
Ah yes, the one bad matchup that invalidates jund. So many weaknesses.
>>47133112
>t1 TS their only threat from opener
>bob gets CA
>land lilli beat with goyf oh you'd like to fetch eye of ugin wouldn't you too bad
>land kalitas kill wurmcoil
>proceed to ult lili
>sit with 4 bolts in hand in case tron finds an o-stone/ugin
Doesn't get any easier post-side with Fulminators and whatnot.
>>47133112
>>47132738
Ooooh you mean cause infect wipes jund right?
>>47133107
its going to see play in major tournaments. just wait
>>47133123
God, I fucking love French language cards.
>>47132683
Foil Brainstorm?
hey I'll trade you my shivan dragons for that stupid 1 mana blue card
>>47133152
>>47133154
>All these butt-blasted jund players
>>47133169
wut
>>47133169
Don't associate me with the guy saying Tron is "several weaknesses". It's ONE of them, not ALL of them.
>>47133198
A L P H A
i would. seriously.
>>47133240
I actually played Tron until last week, it's ridiculous how much the match is now in Jund's favor (given the pilot knows what he's doing) with discard being an actual factor and Kalitas negating Wurmcoil.
cont.
>>47130523
>leave him there and they eventually have to bolt it themselves
Kommanded him actually, after he already had drawn me 4 cards. Of course I had sided out half of them along with my Thoughseizes, and would have cut more, but I wasn't packing much Burn hate.
>>47131030
>Unless it comes down early in the game
Dropped T2 on the play following up an Inquisition. He isn't exactly a great topdeck however, unless both of you are stalling.
Stupid question time
Which set has the bestbooster arts and design?
>>47133198
Yeah son all shiny and what not.
>>47133240
>thinks he knows memedern well enough to understand all the best and worst matchups for all decks and why the metagame is the way it is
>says jund has weaknesses right now
You forgot to post a frog
>>47133432
>shards
>scars
Two best tbhqt3.14
>>47132870
Seriously? I literally do this exact same thing and thought I was original. I started because I needed ONE more of the same art
>>47133432
The version of MM15 we got in the states.
>>47133445
You're replying to the wrong guy, but you're not very smart if you think Jund is the ultimate perfect deck.
How many Jund were in the top 32 in the latest SCG Modern Open Milwaukee? That's right, 3. And the best score died in the quarterfinals.
If it has so few weaknesses, why wasn't it more succesful? I mean I think it was the most popular deck at the event and most of them died on Day 2. If a deck has few weaknesses, you see results like Eldrazi during Eldrazi Winter.
>>47132738
>>Jund #1
>It's odd. It has so many weaknesses in this meta.
While strange, it is a good thing. We've had an unbeatable god for too long and it's great to see the #1 deck be so fair.
>>47132683
Intangible virtue
Sakura tribe elder
Mortify
Nature's claim
Smallpox
Volcanic Fallout
Tragic Slip
Not exactly staples, but playable.
Foil spells and lands. Neat
>>47133795
Foil Brainstorm is worth a fuckton. Careful with that one.
>>47133702
Awesome! Thanks man ill look for those
So why does Flooded Grove cost money? It sometimes sees play as a one-of in Scapeshift but that's it. And I don't see many casuals making Simic decks, either.
>>47133123
I beg to differ.
It's a 4/4 flying flash for 4mana, that alone is huge.
It champions a fairy, which isn't that much of a downside, it can get rid of bitterblossom killing you. It can easily champion a near useless spellstutter.
The tap all lands ability is also pretty huge imo. Tapping all their lands before their draw step is something that has won me a lot of games.
Overall I experienced >50% win rate with this deck.
>>47133816
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor has stupid prices. Remember 30$ Wilt-Leaf Liege and $60 Bitterblossom?
>>47132190
What would I cut for red splash? obvious choice seems cryptic. I like that terminate and kolaghan's are BR since I've been loving Kalitas to the point I'd play 2 mainboard.
Also, do you have any prediction on how the price of AV will evolve?
>>47131591
Actually I've been experiencing a high win rate with the deck. I feel it's unexpected and the disruption is great.
>>47133123
Mildly disagree, it buys you a turn without combat tricks, it's a timewalk if they're not careful or able to respond, it's a pretty good combat trick, it turns off Blossom, exiles a Faerie for later ETB stuff, it's a pretty fun card within the limitations of the deck desu.
It is nowhere near good enough to justify the dollar cost though.
>>47133852
No real predictions. I'm waiting for a price drop before I buy because I see a reprint coming up and/or a lot of people jamming them are going to get sick of them and trade for whatever deck gets big next.
For my splash I cut all of the mono black removal except two Dismembers (one will go for the trio of AV when I get them) since Terminate is a strict upgrade and cut a pair of Cryptic Commands and went down to 3 Mistbind. I also dropped the River of Tears, all the basics except 1 mountain, island and swamp and one Darksick Shores for a Watery Grave, a Blood Crypt, 2 Steam Vents and rounded up to 6 fetches.
>>47132868
>Woo
Has he ever brewed something that isn't trash? At least if they were budget decks there would be a reason for poorfags to build them but he manages to make horrible decks while still sticking tons of fetches and playsets of Snapcasters in them.
>>47133181
Just like this other deck I once saw mentioned on channelfireball! I swear guys!
>>47133432
kamigawa block tbqh
>>47133432
I really liked M15 - simple and elegant IMO
>>47133702
What about Stifle?
>>47132738
Yeah it's weird Jeskai hasn't jumped higher, in the hands of a skilled player it seems like a very powerful deck.
Apparently it still lacks something, idk what. Although I'm sure the auto-include of 4 AV in every jeskai build should be questioned.
>>47133999
Care to share a list?
I'm waiting to get 3 AV myself too, faeries could really use them. Whereas all the Jeskai players who jumped on a playset the moment the unban was announced will probably realize it isn't that good in every kind of list. A reprint on top of that would be awesome too.
>>47134059
Living End?
This is perhaps the saltiest general on /tg/.
>>47132147
That actually looks pretty healthy.
>>47134124
Not modern legal. Holy shit it would be bonkers if it was.
>>47134170
modern players are the saltiest mtg players
>>47132147
>>47134176
Exactly, this is the best modern metagame I've seen in a while. Though I'm unsure if twin banning contributed to that, or if all of this could coexist along with twin. It's just a shame because twin was something that demanded interaction instead of all those linear decks going around.
Maybe I'm just bitching but I never understood linear deck players. Why? Where's the fun? Or are these people that much competition driven? No one knows.
They ban Tarmogoyf yet?
>>47134170
>living end
>not trash
>>47134170
He didn't brew that, he stole it.
>>47132147
>bitching about that meta
>>47134267
>top 8's the last two modern GP's
>trash
This is the lowest level of shitterdom I've seen in an MtG thread. This is worse than the card creation threads. I'm leaving this thread and never coming back.
What deck should I play if I want a girlfriend with lots of experience?
can someone post their UW gifts tron list
>>47134341
jund
>>47134341
football
>>47134346
mtggoldfish has some good lists.
>>47134337
And nothing of value was lost.
>>47132865
Infect is aggro, people who think it's combo are retards.
>>47134163
>Care to share a list?
Sure! Here's my maindeck from yesterday's FNM, my board is a bit budget but I'll post it separately.
Items with * next to them are ones I'm considering dropping one of to accommodate a pair of Snapcasters and a trio of Ancestral Visions.
Instant (16):
2 Cryptic Command
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Mana Leak *
2 Dismember *
2 Spell Snare *
3 Terminate
Sorcery (5):
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
Enchantments (4):
4 Bitterblossom
Creatures (10):
3 Vendilion Clique *
3 Mistbind Clique
4 Spellstutter Sprite
Lands (25):
3 Creeping tar Pit
4 Mutavault
2 Darkslick Shores
2 Secluded Glen
1 Blood Crypt
1 Watery Grave
2 Steam Vents
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
3 Polluted Delta
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Ghost Quarter
>>47133807
$60 is a lot, but not a fuckton
>>47134544
Sideboard (15):
2 Crumble to Dust
2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Thoughtseize
2 Negate
2 Sower of Temptation
1 Languish*
2 Shatterstorm
The Languish will be swapped out with a Damnation but I've been holding off for a few reprints and to liquidate my collection for trades.
>>47134511
>Infect is aggro, people who think it's combo are retards
>>47134544
I'd go lighter in B, heavier in R, run 2 kiki and a couple pestermites. Literally the only version of fae that has ever top8.
>>47134544
Deck is bad.
>>47134641
Deck is fine, format is better. It shits on a surprising number of other decks and doesn't fold to some of its traditional weak matchups. Still I'm not wedded to it, I basically bought the shell and most of what I need to tweak it into different colours.
>>47134627
Maybe worth a look, but in all honesty I've never found the deck needs help closing a game out. What it needs is card draw and efficient answers.
>>47134576
For a common in a set opened as much as Conspiracy, you wouldn't normally expect the Foil to be worth 6000% the value of the regular. It's a "relative fuckton".
>>47134185
Not as bad as this.
>>47134544
>>47134594
Looks solid, thanks for sharing.
I'll hold off with selling my BR landbase then haha. I'll definiately try a red splash once I get hold of my core.
I remember that time Stompy was a combo deck. I mean that's what it is, right? Play dudes, turn them sideways in combat step and use pump spells to close the game fast.
Please disregard the people saying Infect is combo. Just don't reply.
>>47134714
Why does all of blue's shit always get banned. Nearly every other colour has a card that cheats as much as this one would
>>47134621
If infect is combo than burn is combo as well
>>47134778
Because it's not blue and literally every deck would carry a playset. Combo decks would be especially broken, able to stop inquisitions and thoughseizes before their first turn and keep their combo pieces safe. It would be worse than Skullclamp.
Daily reminder tier lists are popularity contestsexactly what you got last in you chucklefuck
>>47134847
10/10 cringe mate
>>47134833
I agree for MM, but stuff like Stiffle, Ponder etc.
>>47134903
Storm would be tier 0, having access to Legacy-tier cantrips would make it basically immune to hand destruction and it would go off on turn 3 pretty much always.
Modern in FUN! FUN!!
>>47135082
In hindsight, I agree. Perhaps it's necessary, it just feels so unfair as a blue player haha.
Anyone care to shit on some decklists?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/8rack-on-a-budget-1/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-05-16-uwr-control/
>>47135375
Small pox build is bad. Don't run it
>>47134544
Faeries is my favourite tribe, but once you start using Snapcaster Mageand Tasigur and Kalitas and maybe Pia or Dark-Dwellersyou'll realize how much better pure Grixis Control is.
>>47132870
>>47133532
I don't get it. Is this supposed to piss off OCD junkie opponents? Using old basic lands, modern basic lands, post modern basic lands, full art lands, and pokemon energy cards all in one deck seems to work better.
Thopter foundry eggs.
>>47135542
Eidolon
Gg
>>47135667
Not that guy but
>pyrite/aether spellbomb
>>47135667
>>47135888
Also, enjoy playing your red cards while I play the closest thing to P9 in modern.
Arguably, you could say that Mox Opal mimics the Moxes closer, but hey, we get to play that as well.
Also, enjoyactually winning
>>47135937
>I play the closest thing to P9 in modern.
Yea and tball is the closest thing to major league baseball in my small town. Doesn't make them anything alike
Can this work in Modern competitive?
3 Duskwatch Recruiter
4 Geier Reach Bandit
2 Hermit of the Natterknolls
2 Mayor of Avabruck
4 Silverfur Partisan
4 Village Messenger
3 Zada, Hedron Grinder
2 Arlinn Kord
4 Howlpack Resurgence
1 Moonmist
4 Rush of Adrenaline
2 Temur Battle Rage
4 Titan's Strength
2 Cinder Glade
7 Forest
3 Game Trail
1 Kessig Wolf Run
6 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground
4 Wooded Foothills
>>47136505
I feel like zada, young pyro, goblin storm card, 8 crimson wisps and titans strength, like 1 femur battle rage is a terrible deck, but would still be better if you wanted to run zada.
>>47136505
Moonmist is the only spell in your deck that will let your shit transform. No turn goes by in Modern without someone casting something, unless you're freely spending your turn doing nothing.
>>47136707
Should I up the moon mist count then? My meta is mostly mid range decks, tri color stuff.
>>47136835
My advice is to play anything other than Werewolves.
>>47134796
Wrong, Infect without a creature does nothing while burn only cares about numbers adding to 20.
>>47135459
I know man, Faeries has been my attempt at really understanding everything a deck can do but I chose it because it was complex and had a lot of interactions, definitely not because it's good. Sitting down with the same deck for several years was a great way to improve at playing Magic and to get to know the metagame. It was also just plain fun.
To be honest if I ever decided to go proper competitive I'd probably use either Jund or Company, the other deck I'd really like is for someone to find a functional D&T or hatebears build.
>>47137019
Burn without burn spells does nothing, infect only cares about the numbers adding to 10. It's like claiming zoo with some pump spells is a combo deck.
Need some guidance here. I'm heavily considering converting my UW control deck to a UW Thopter Gifts deck. Main reason being that it seems Thopter Gifts has a way better wincon and inevitability then smacking my opponents with serraangelland. Anyone wanna give their advice/experience with the deck? Is it a good idea to make the switch?
This is my current UW control list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uw-control-wsnapcaster/
I've moved to a new area so I'm not too familiar with the store's meta, but so far there are 2 rock decks (Jund and Junk), 1 affinity, 3 infect (only two of them got their lists finished), and BG cocoElves from what I've seen so far.
Also whats the best version of UW Thopter Gifts? I'd prefer to stay away from making Esper Thopter Gifts because I can't spare the few hundred dollars for the black splash.
>>47134305
He's said a bunch of times that he didn't invent living end. He just made it much better and actually did something with it.
>>47132147
GOBLINS
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>>47136505
>Slightly updated tier 3 standard deck
>viable in modern.
Even Tier 1 standard decks aren't viable.
>>47132956
Burn
>>47139613
Kalitas attacking closes the game.
>>47139644
Yeah, if he gets to connect sure.
https://youtu.be/WPn38N3Bcfg?t=11m3s
>>47137942
Thopterswords is extremely overrated. Your list seems fine as is. If you really want to move to another variant I'd suggest going to Jeskai. You can have a burn-snap-burn geist midrange or a more controlly version. There's a version that plays just 4snaps and a clique and another that also packs resto-kiki. I'm running a slightly altered version of it: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-05-16-uwr-control/
>>47134337
Sorry if i came off sarcastic, I really meant this is the modern metagame i've been waiting for.
Aggro, Midrange, Combo, and Control in tier 1+2.
Is this guy any good in Jund?
My younger sibling bought a few hundred cards because she wants to get into this nerd shit. How to build her something overpowered or at least useful
>>47139946
>reveal lightning bolt
>opponent takes 1
No, there's almost no reason to play him when you already have edgytumblrhalf-shaveman
>>47140016
This thread is for the modern format of Magic, where the good decks can cost thousands of dollars.
The best bet for your sibling is to go to her local game shop and ask for a free thirty card intro deck, then go from there. The new duel deck is also a good and cheap way to learn Magic, the set has a pair of decks that are similar to each other in terms of power level.
>>47139946
No, better cards are available
>>47140016
>bought a few hundred cards
Unless your younger sibling bought good cards avoid this thread and just play some fun kitchentable games.
>>47139946
I don't really like it, Jund can't pressure the opponent's life total enough for them to let you draw anything relevant off of the Prodder.
>>47139662
Savage.
>>47140016
The most you can get out of it is starting together with someone and keeping your decks on the same level. Doing janky deckbuilding as a beginner who bought a shoebox full of worthless commons and uncommons is literally the best memory I have from this entire game
>>47140016
If she is new don't concern yourself with the competitive side of things, have her be familiar with the game first and go from there. Your lgs should have free demo decks.
>>47139662
I never understood burn players. How can that deck not get painstakingly boring after a couple of weeks?
>>47139662
Normally I'd be rooting against the burn player, but "Emma" just does not pass.
>>47140161
Playing mind games and messing with the opponent is what makes burn fun.
>Oh, what does that card do? Never seen it before
>Eh, good thing I just topdecked that or I would have lost!
>So what does your deck do, anyway?
>>47140218
>Playing mind games
>should I bolt him now or at his EOT?
>>47140218
>pure linear aggro
>mind games
Pick one
>>47140288
>>47140309
Did you read the rest of the post?
>>47140218
>>>Oh, what does that card do? Never seen it before
It's called Leyline of Sanctity and I mainboard four 'cuz I'm gangsta.
>>47139841
How come you feel that Thopterswords is overrated? Just curious, not trying to disagree.
If it does turn out to be not all that great, what disappointing unbans. Control is suffering.
>try to do a sealed PPTQ because LGS was having one
>no removal whatsoever
>very few efficient creatures
>can't top 8
Why is sealed used to determine skill in magic?
>>47141000
Sealed is a more skill-intensive format than some people think, but there are the odd pools that are either absurdly good or so bad they're unplayable.
>>47140161
Lol Burns fun because it makes people so salty.
>>47141000
Because if you didn't fucking suck dick then you would have been able to do well anyway you small time beta bitch boy
>>47140193
God this. Could tell it was a fucking tranny instantly.
>>47140632
>play 3 creatures
>atarkas command
>gg
>>47141202
This. Leyline of Sanctity does way less against Burn then it used to. Especially with Nacatls and Atarkas Command.
>>47141155
There is only so good I can do with an absolutely shit pool
>>47131341
no damnation
Jund player here
Seems some infect players are sideboarding the new sorcery counterspell and... it fucking works vs me after going full discard and beat strat in game 2.
Leason learned. I will go full psycological games vs these faggets and pretend to sideboard and leave them with useless cards.
>>47133123
try saying this playing aginst tron
So, may I know why the fuck is glittering wosh 8$ now? They were fucking 3$ some months ago. Is any tier deck using them or they just want to spike these things cause of the meme brain deck?
>>47141919
Learn to play anon
I mean, how can the most ppwerful deck be beaten by a pile of crap deck loke Infect?
I guess money doesnt make you smart.
>>47131327
we have a good thread on mtgsalvation for your fae related questions
how many slots should lightning helix hold in burn?
>>47141919
Just go full removal on their ass. Kill every non-Noble creature and don't be afraid to eat 1-2 poison counters per combat. Never use removal during combat unless they're already trying to pump. Kill at the end of their turn or even during yours if they're tapped out.
>>47142038
depends on build
boros could hold 2 mb
naya should only be sb
>>47142054
i'm still trying to perfect my list
trying out 4 mainboard skullcracks and i dropped 1 lavamancer to the sideboard for 1 shard volley
still very unsure of the Nacatl
>>47133432
mmmm old packs
I really like chronicles and visions
gold foil is god-tier
Playable in modern?
>>47142989
What do you think?
>>47142989
Why? Goyf is still a thing plus there are better 1 drops
>>47143040
Maybe?
>>47142989
>2/3 with fire breathing on turn 3
meh
>>47143199
You suck at card evaluation then, because this is fucking garbage. It makes you work really hard for a mere 2/3 that is forced to attack every turn. Just play Loam Lion if you are desperate.
>>47143371
Can I play it if I'm not desperate though?
>>47143397
Theres a better alternative 8 posts up
Modern is fun again, almost every player today was playing something different.
>playing on xmage against some spaz who keeps calling me a noob for playing burn
>he says "topkek"
>ask when was the last time he was on /tg/
>he starts acting friendly
Lol
GiftsFag here, rate the new and improved list
Also, what're you guys running for your next modern event? post your lists
>>47144147
to be fair, burn is kind of a pointless deck to ''test'' on something like xmage.
>>47144677
It's really not. Practice makes perfect.
As a bonus, it lets others practice against Burn, which is a premier deck to beat in the meta.
>>47139946
Useless trash like every other punisher card.
Who /burn/ in here?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lightning-bolt-tribal/
>>47142038
I run three, In my sideboardI'm trash though so Your mileage may vary
>>47142100
Skullcracks are better off in the SB IMO
Atarka's Command are potentially far more explosive and serve pretty much the exact same function
>salty players who are still denying their cheating deck and easy skillless wins
Literally most modern players and every top 8 deck in modern.
You've described affinity, infect, delver, and tron, just by saying "easy skillless wins"
>>47145313
so what do you play? coco or burn? lol
its not 'memedern' for nothing.
>>47144218
Sideboard?
Looks really neat, a junk deck with gifts sounds sweet
Not sure what suggestions I can offer, all the cards are powerful. Maybe one less courser, add one finks? Reason being slight redundancy if you have two on the field, finks is slighly easier to cast too. Or another lingering souls, its one of the best reasons to go B/W. Or a dismember, those are nice.
I don't know though, courser is very nice in the deck, giving a bit of draw/life, a nice body and enchantment type for goyf, so maybe he deserves two slots, but it depends on how you feel he's been preforming.
>>47145378
Lol, i love my skillless tron deck to be quite honest family.
>>47145378
I think Modern is the "best" it's ever been, objectively. By best I mean most diverse. a metagame with only 2 decks, where both decks are super interactive and theres playz all day, would be cool too. Instead we got rock paper spock scissors bomb lizard etc.
I have no idea why people are bitching about burn, literally get good. If shit like burn wasn't around keeping decks in check I guarentee tronfags would be running rampant in this meta.
>>47144677
Nah, i like to test the nacatl on xmage or any variations I make to the deck.
>>47145197
/burn/ here, still figuring my shit out, every time I test out nacatls at my local LGS, they haven't been relevant, like I havent even really gotten to see them in action.
if you've played with and without, what do you prefer and why?
also i semi agree about skullcracks but my meta has a lot of lifegain so I don't mind running them mainboard. I'm running 4 main and 2 lightning helixs sideboard, might switch 2 skullcracks for 2 helixs so I have some extra targeted removal mainboard.
might run 2 shard volleys mainboard as well, not sure though
>>47140218
you are correct
>>47140288
>>47140309
you two bitches need to read this
http://bc-comix.com/playing-the-game-with-legacy-burn-cameron-ramsay/
>>47137506
Burn absolutely does something without creatures, 7 bolts/spikes kills you just the same as guide and spear beatdown.
>>47145917
>the game
>gordon ramsay
You just lost... to burn
>>47140748
Well when the unbans were announced, as a UW gifts player, I was really exciting. But by testing and reading about other people's testing, the combo isn't that good. It is an upgrade for UW gifts but the deck doesnt really need it as it can win off iona and unburial just as easy.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it isn't going to be the T2 deck everyone thought it would be.
>>47142989
Well you could play it in modern. It's just that it would suck balls.
>>47140218
>>47145917
If you want to take this to the next level, pick up and read every card your opponent plays.
Is there any match up that mainboard deflecting palms would be bad in in burn?
It seems like in a worst case scenario it would be a non targeted lightning helix and best case scenario a huuuuge blowout
hi does my free comlimenntarry deck thet the shop given me good enough ot use?
>>47149343
It seems like it would ruin the "oh fuck, I forgot that's a thing now" effect in the second game and you can probably win the first without them anyway. Still, It's not a terrible card to maindeck if you're going Boros. What I dislike about it is that it doesn't work on lose life effects so that Shaman of the Pack is still going to blast you for 10.
How to improve this keeping it monogreen?
Predator Ooze
Scavenging Ooze
Tarmogoyf
?
>>47149343
Jund: subpar.
Burn: good.
Abzan Company: subpar.
Affinity: strong.
Infect: strong.
Tron: good.
Jeskai: weak.
Zoo: good.
Merfolk: good.
Scapeshift: weak.
Abzan: subpar.
Kiki Chord: subpar.
Grixis: subpar.
>>47149378
lol no
>>47149392
Scavenging Ooze. Goyf could be fine but you have no business playing Stompy if you own them.
How will it shape the meta?
>>47149435
Why beacuse I did won the tutorial match thet they gived me. The box also tolds me im a fire mage pretty badass no?
>>47149488
It won't.
What happens if my opponent draws the card of his turn before removing the last Suspend counter on Ancestral Vision? What would the judge do?
>>47150045
Depends on how competitive the environment is. Regular FNM you probably get to take it back. Any sort of competitive event and the normal protocol for missed triggers is your opponent gets to choose to place the ability on the stack or not. And if it helps you in any way, they'll probably choose not to.
>>47145841
I used to play burn without Nacatls, but I ultimately found that unless your meta is full of creature heavy decks like stompy its better to run them. Atarka's command makes them super explosive and can even allow you to play defensively. They also are able to deal with pesky cards like Kor Firewalker, Auriok Champion and anything else that might be Pro-Red
>my meta has a lot of lifegain
I totally understand then. back before the Eldrazi winter almost one third of the people at my store were playing Abzan Company. It just not possible to deal with all that life gain with just 4 atarka's command.
>might run 2 shard volleys mainboard as well, not sure though
I don't recommend this
Shard Volley is bad senpai, run 1 at best. Even Vexing Devil is better than Shard Volley. The card just screams "Remand me please."
>>47149343
Its good against Bogles and any other deck that relies on big creatures but doesn't have access to Thoughtsieze or Liliana. I personally only recommend using it in the SB.
>>47150097
>Any sort of competitive event and the normal protocol for missed triggers is your opponent gets to choose to place the ability on the stack or not. And if it helps you in any way, they'll probably choose not to.
Thought so. Thanks
>>47149495
Not funny. Go away.
http://i.imgur.com/B4UqWdI.png?1
Found this a couple days ago
>>47150374
>http://i.imgur.com/B4UqWdI.png?1
>>47149430
Seems like it would be good against a fat goyf? Especially if they kill my eidolon and he's swinging as like a 5/6
>>47150097
>>47150261
Absolutely incorrect
>In situations where the trigger has no choices but does have a visual effect on the game, or the trigger's choice has no default, the trigger is put on the stack as normal if the error is caught within a turn cycle. All choices that are made when the trigger goes on the stack are made now, but no choices can be made that were not possible when the ability would originally have been put on the stack. All players receive priority as normal and the triggered ability resolves as normal. Players receive appropriate Missed Trigger and Failure to Maintain Game State penalties.
>>47150045
As the above, the player gets a warning but Ancestral Vision resolves. There are no choices involved. The controlling player is obligated by the game's rules to remove the time counters and must cast it.
>>47150432
You're better off burning them to death rather than waiting for them to find a threat to THEN burning them to death.
>>47144218
Looks like Frights from old innistrad, is it as fun?
>>47150503
I went on Magic Judges Chat and asked the question and got the same answer as >>47150097
>that would be a missed trigger
>no penalties, and you get to decide if it's put onto the stack
>>47150666
Then Magic Judges Chat is full of retards who haven't read the DCI Penalty Guide.
>>47150503
When I played living end at GP OKC I suspended living end because of rule of law and when I missed the trigger the judge let my opponent choose if I got to remove a counter. My opponent chose not to.
>>47150731
Then you should have gotten the judge's name and reported him.
>>47142100
Go for mardu burn and cut that shit of nacatl
What dose /TG/ think about this deck i'm working on?
4x Alms Beast
2x Ajani, Caller of the Pride
2x Ajani Steadfast
4x Open the Armory
4x Tainted Remedy
so far I only have the basic frame work. any idea on where to go from here?
>>47151045
What's Open The Armory even for? You haven't listed any auras or equipment.
>>47150503
Where did you find that part of the rules? I don't see that portion at all in the current IPG. Far as I can see, he missed it, the opponent chooses if the trigger goes on the stack or not. if it doesn't, it will trigger next upkeep.
>>47150906
>mardu burn
For what fucking purpose?
Bump in the night is NOT worth cutting Atarka's Command and Destructive Revelry.
Damnation reprint when
>>47151692
It will be a mythic in Eternal Masters
Trust me, MaRo is my uncle.
>>47151711
I really hope it wont be, it'll probably increase in price. Does damnation even see eternal play? I never follow those formats so I wouldn't know.
>>47151843
It sees EDH play which eternal matters IS partially being printed for.
>>47151843
It's sometimes main board in pox. Some tezzerator lists also have 1 or 2 in the side, same for nic fit.
Overall it's not a very heavily played card. It probably sees the most play in EDH, and then modern.
>>47151600
the black is for tainted remedy
Is Nahiri a meme card or not? I tested her so far and she is good, but not -that- good as every pro claims.
>>47152219
Tainted Remedy is fucking awful
Its a fucking joke card that literally every deck can easily deal with
>>47150503
>>47150686
>>47150748
Where are you getting this information? The IPG does not agree with what you stated. Here's the section from the IPG:
>If the triggered ability specifies a default action associated with a choice made by the controller (usually “If you don’t ...”or “... unless”), resolve it choosing the default option. If the triggered ability is a delayed triggered ability that changes the zone of an object, resolve it. For these two types of abilities, the opponent chooses whether to resolve the ability the next time a player would get priority or when a player would get priority at the start of the next phase. These abilities do not expire and should be remedied no matter how much time has passed since they should have triggered.
>If the ability was missed prior to the current phase in the previous player’s turn, instruct the players to continue playing. If the triggered ability created an effect whose duration has already expired, instruct the players to continue playing.
>If the triggered ability isn’t covered by the previous two paragraphs, the opponent chooses whether the triggered ability is added to the stack. If it is, it’s inserted at the appropriate place on the stack if possible or on the bottom of the stack. No player may make choices involving objects that would not have been legal choices when the ability should have triggered. For example, if the ability instructs a player to sacrifice a creature, that player can’t sacrifice a creature that wasn’t on the battlefield when the ability should have triggered.
>>47152252
>turbo sulfuric vortex is awful
git gud, lmao
>>47152261
>comparing Sulfiric Vortex to a piece of trash like Tainted Remedy
Stop playing magic
Vortex is good because it puts the game on a clock, Remedy merely makes your opponent stop playing life gain cards.
If you wanna stop your opponent from gaining life play fucking Rain of Gore instead retard.
>>47152422
>sulfuric vortex 2s them every turn
>impressive
how about
>they play kor firewalker
>play tainted remedy, cast 4 red spells, they die
nice sulshittic vortex, nerd lmao
>>47152422
To be fair, Rain of Gore does not work against cards with Lifelink.
>>47152223
>I tested her so far and she is good, but not -that- good as every pro claims.
I guess I don't follow what pros are saying... what deck would it even be good in?
>>47152490
Go troll somewhere else.
>>47152490
>playing cards that rely on cards your opponent doesn't need to play
>Having +7 mana open in Burn
>Implying a deck that can run firewalker won't just disenchant your Tainted Remedy
GO shitpost somewhere else faggot
>>47152504
True, but we have skullcracks and Atarka's Command for a reason, along with D-Palm in the SB.
>>47152600
>disenchant doesn't work on vortex
uhhh, are you retarded?
>having 7 mana
confirmed retarded
>cards your opponent doesn't need to play
>implying you're ever going to lose as burn if they don't hit their gay cancer sideboard cards
wow jesus christ even for a retard, you must be really shit at this game
>>47152568
git gud noob
>>47152654
>git gud noob
Can't tell if you're trolling or if you really think you're better than me at this game.
>>47152654
>cards that hose a linear aggro strategy are "gay cancer"
>>47152937
>hurr i drewed sidebard crad, i wonner!! xDDDDddd
>not gay cancer
>>47153078
>implying people want to draw into Leyline
>>47153078
>greentext
lol
>>47153078
1. The Leylines are mainboard.
2. If your entire strategy can be hosed by one or two cards, that's your problem.
>>47153582
>burn isn't a tier 1 deck
hm...
>>47153648
I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying that if you auto-lose to a "gay cancer sideboard card" it's your own fault for choosing such a linear deck.
>>47153717
i'd say it's the fault of the format for allowing cards that just completely beat specific decks
>>47153768
If you dislike the format, go play something else.
>>47153768
Stony Silence has been around since Innistrad.
Suppression Field has been around since Ravnica.
Kataki has been around since Kamigawa.
Affinity is still Tier 1.
Hosers don't stop a deck from being good, and when you choose to play a deck you should educate yourself as to what cards hose you and how hard. If you don't want to deal with cards that hose Burn, don't play Burn. If you want to play Burn, learn to live with hosers.
>>47153862
Leyline doesn't even hose Burn, there are ways to get around it with stuff like Destructive Revelry and plenty of other disenchant cards.
>>47153862
or maybe they should change the format so it's not "haha mull to my sideboard cards and instawin lmao xDDD"
>>47153768
>I can't adapt to my opponents card choices
Goddamn linear deck players are dumb
>>47153944
>Destructive Revelry and plenty of other disenchant cards.
So you're going to clog up your board with what? Wear/Tear, just for one card. Really? And then you're going to side in every time your opponent had white? Or you're going to side it in game 3 after you've seen Leyline?
Please explain your plan in detail on how Burn should handle Leyline aside from 4 Revelries in the side.
>>47154007
>or maybe they should change the format so it's not "haha mull to my sideboard cards and instawin lmao xDDD"
If you get so butthurt about sideboard hate, why don't you play a different deck?
>>47154007
See >>47153944
Kor Firewalker, Leyline of the Void, Sanctimony, Kitchen Finks and Feed the Clan can all be played around if you're not retarded.
>>47154058
>what are creatures
>>47154072
why don't you suck my dick since you're such a faggot?
>>47154077
>what are creatures
No, no. That's not what OP said. OP said:
>and plenty of other disenchant cards.
I want to know what other disenchant cards he plans to run in his 75 to deal with Leyline.
