Weekend Warriors' Edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
Hey guys, I'm putting together my first army (renegades) and my force revolves around grenadiers (upgraded veterans thanks to bloody handed reaver).
Since I can get two hot shot volley gun upgrades, what should I kit for the other two base upgrade slots?
Plasma or melta? (I'm running 10 man squads)
So who is hobbying this weekend?
Any battles, tournaments or campaigns going on?
If not, how about your last good game?
>>47130701
New daemon codex is out.
Why aren't you guys talking about it?
http://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/prod-home-whd/codex-chaos-daemons-digital.html
>>47130709
renegades is a pretty niche army, best of luck finding help with it.
Why not run one with Melta and the other with Plasma?
>>47130721
>New daemon codex
It is just the old codex with all the new Warzone Fenris formations that were already discussed.
If there was anything worth talking about, sure.
Anyone got a link to a detailed summary of the flyer book's stats and formations and shit?
>>47130715
Wanted to try a game with the homebrew Ork codex, but the guy who was hosting the game isn't answering his phone.
>>47130715
Going to be bringing my Deathwing for the first time in a while (Just a small 900pt force). Adding it to my Ravenwing list since it has gotten a bit too WAACy for me.
Will be playing a 3000+pt game against Black Templars and hoping for the Terminators to have a decent brawl.
Not having all my bikes is kind of worrysome and I am afraid I won't have enough anti armor as he has a las predator and vindicator as well as up to two Dreadnaughts.
Overall I think it will be fun. May ask him to push it to 3k so I could brind Eziekiel and run the DA conclave and give all the Librarians Interromancy to be nice and fluffy.
We will definetly be playing Maelstrom and he has at least a demi company so his obsec screws me a lot.
>>47130800
That sucks ork bro, got your homebrew in a pdf to share?
Recently went against a slightly tweaked Tyranid Codex (one page of changes typed neatly that he let me read before hand) and it made his army much more fun to face.
Tau are clones.
>>47130877
You're a clone.
>>47130845
It's the one that the namefag was posting in the last couple of threads. The .pdf should be coming out today, here's the battlescribe in the meantime:
https://github.com/Space0din/Orks-2016-7th-Edition-Update
Good to hear that your homebrew worked out well though. I'm skeptical as to how well my group will accept it, considering we are all newfags.
WHo's excited for the new dogfight phase that require ANOTHER game space to play mini plane games on that are based more on luck than skill?
I know I'm going to take a pass on it.
>>47130883
Nope. Kriegers are just vat-grown like vegetable crops.
>>47130911
Don't you mean you'll let it fly-by?
>>47130877
There's nothing wrong with that.
>>47130920
>>47130930
There is when every part of the company decided it was just a branch snapping and they all try to go left when they split up.
>>47130911
>I know I'm going to take a pass on it.
Most people are. Already talked to most of the people at my LGS (20+ players) and only a few are said they are getting it and thats because they already have a ton of fliers.
No one else wants to learn a non-core phase or have their AA neutered.
>>47130958
>non-core phase
Unfortunately it's technically core. It's not a supplement but an update. But eff that. Dogfight phase sucks.
Only fighters getting skyfire sucks but I love the Storm WIng update and the attack patterns.
>>47130721
If they erased that terrible art the old version had, in exchange for the new format, I'm gonna buy it.
Those portraits are hideous.
>>47130715
Joining a campaign that plays throughout the summer with my SoB.
The system is similar to Dark Crusade's campaign.
>>47130911
>"I brought my flying transport for this unit"
>"No you don't, i have a fighter"
>Dice rolling
>Transport explode in reserve before turn 1
>"I'll put it back in the bag then"
>FUN
>>47130984
The only saving grace is that it specifically states that you only dogfight if both people want to, and if one does and the other doesn't, you roll off. So there's every chance that, even against people who really want to do it, you might never have to do that fucking stupid retard shit.
>>47130715
Had my last good game with a Crimson Slaughter player. Currently in the middle of a narrative campaign that uses the Dark Crusade style tiles mixed with armada minis. I'm playing the 8th Cadian and we were trapped on the smaller continent by Chaos, we charged the airbase from the woods and recaptured it which allowed us to relink each other.
>>47131010
I love all that shit, you all already know what the models look like anyway so having them on each page is pointless. Blanche art really lends itself to weird daemonic stuff as well.
Necrons or Eldar guys?
I like blasting shit from afar more than anything.
>>47131069
EXACTLY
People are all like "B-but Interceptor and deepstrike mishaps can do it to! It's the same!"
NO. It's not. Both of those you can mitigate with skill. This is completely different. This is based off RNG.
>>47131070
I bet tournies will skip it. Can you imagine people having to find floor or table space to do it in an event? It'l' add so much time too.
>>47131104
It's garbage.
I don't mind weird art, but that codex is nothing but unpleasantness.
You want to make something weird but cool?
Made it like a medieval grimorie.
>>47131069
Reminds me of this.
>>47131237
Nice
What are some interesting and fun Dreadnought builds? Any variety of imperial dread is fine by me.
>>47130715
>no Sanguinius
The guy is literally Jesus yet he isn't here at all.
>>47131263
Librarian Dread, ML2
Quickening + Electroshield (only 1/6 chance RIP)
>>47131263
Librarian Dread, ML2
Quickening + Warpmetal
AV14 front woo woo.
>>47131113
Necrons.
I run them infantry heavy and just drown things in shots. Its pretty fun but is starting to feel a bit week over 2000, obviously I need some melee and better anti armour options.
>>47131266
2Dead4Me
>>47131266
>literally
>>47130709
plz halp
>>47131309
>Necron Lord
>+1S melee and shooting attack plus re-rolls to hit of 1 relic: 20 points
>Equip Warscythe and Gauntlet of Flame
>S5 Flamer and +3S AP2 Armourbane melee
>Bung him in a Command Barge to fly around wrecking everything from blobs to tanks (though AV14 is harder due to S8 AP2, but you got armourbane so should help)
Also. x2 Cryptotechs + C'tan Shard formation. Plus +1S +1T Relic on one of the Techs. Enjoy raping shit with your FnP4+ C'tan shard with +1S +1T.
>>47131370
Both are good. It depends a lot on the rest of your list.
If you need more anit-teq, then Plasma, if you need more anti-tank melta.
>>47131362
I literally meant figuratively literally.
Besides, it's true.
>Believes in Emps work
>Has angel wings
>is proud and noble, but humble
>would cast of his finery if it helped the cause, Fulgrim would literally rather die
>goes to Vengeful Spirit despite knowing he'll die (funny thing is, he can see the future, but the Emperor can't at this stage, which is also another reason he's like the Emperor)
>fights Horus
>resists all the offers of Warmaster and power
>manages to damage Horus and dies
>hailed as 'dying so Emps could win'
>worshipped the most after the Emperor (Jesus is worshipped 2nd most after God)
>has a holiday dedicated to him (Sanguinalia or whatever, just like Xmas for Jesus)
>>47131410
What bible are you reading?
>>47131428
>What bible are you reading?
2nd
>>47131428
Whatever one supports my argument.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Codex Astartes" bullshit that's going on in the d6 system right now. Puretides' teachings deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine copy of The A'rt o'f W'a'r on planet J'apa'n for 2 Ultramarines (that's about 20,000 marines of any other chapter) and have been reading with it for almost 2 centuries now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with the tactical wisdom of Puretide. Tau commanders spend years mastering Puretides' teachings and use up to a million memory techniques to produce the finest officers known galaxy wide.
Puretide was thrice as smart as Roboute Guilliman and thrice as wise for that matter too. Anyone who masters Puretides' teaching can master an alien Civilization's codex better then guys who invented it. I'm pretty sure Puretide could easily defeat the entire XIII legion with a single fire warrior cadre.
Ever wonder why great crusade era-Imperium never bothered conquering T'au? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Puretide and his tactical mastery even though he wasn't born for 8,000 years. Even in Damocles campaign, Vindicates targeted the Tau who had read the A'rt o'f W'a'r first because their strategy was feared and respected.
So what am I saying?The A'rt o'f w'a'r is simply the best book that the galaxy has ever seen, and thus, require better rules in the d6 system. Here is the special rule I propose for Tau:
>All Tau units may fire twice in the shooting phase.
>All Tau units may make snap shots at full ballistic skill.
Now that seems a lot more representative of the tactical power of the A'rt o'f W'a'r in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Tau need to be better in Warhammer, see my new stat block.
What's the deal with the new dogfight phase? Can someone give me a summary so I don't have to go download the PDF for something that no one is going to give a shit about anyway?
>>47131482
An edit of the katana copypasta? Can't even make your own up? Pathetic.
>>47131482
>Vindicates
Vindicares. Fix your copypasta edit.
FAQ aftermath, orcs dead now?
>>47131482
That was pretty painful to read.
>>47131550
They've been dead for years.
Orks are still kicking though.
>>47131302
Don't Blood Angel dreads suffer from only 2 attacks though? Otherwise they'd be pretty awesome.
>>47131550
Good shitposting bait. I like it.
Let me explain:
1. Assuming the FAQ is official, let so many others, to get people to reply you going "It's not official yet, it's a draft, want to fix it? Go tell GW"
2. Assuming that this will be used in regular games, where lots of people won't even know it's happened (see these very threads unable to find the Normiebook page)
3. Being an Orkfag to perpetutate the meme that Orkfags are whiny manchildren who are never happy and want to be Eldar+++ tier
4. Calling Orks 'Orcs'
You'd have done better to call then 'Orrucs' since /tg/ hates AoS with a passion. That's my bait tip to you.
>>47131556
I'm guessing you've seen the pasta before, or you're new as fuck.
>>47131493
Both of you control a fighter?
Roll dice to see who wins.
Only ons of you control a fighter?
Other guy dies.
Neither of you control a fighter?
Skip phase.
>>47131590
Yup. They don't even get +1A for having two melee weapons. So they're 3A on the charge (Space Wolves Dreads get +1A from melee weapons AND have +1A due to Counter-Attack making them +1A whether they charge or not. So they're 4A) and with Quickening they can get up to A6.
As the guy above me said, Electroshield is probably the better skill as it is 3++ to the pysker. Meaning decent protection.
>>47131493
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/757
I'm just getting back into the game and trying to get into CSMs.Because I'm a masochist that way.
Any tips for making a Chaos Sorcerer HQ work in the 700-1000 points range? Usually I run level 3, termy armour, and a spell familiar, but is it worth it or should I get a Chaos Lord instead?Disclaimer: I'm trying to keep it fairly fluffy and avoid overtly gamey stuff like termicide. But I mean, I'll do what I have to.
>>47131590
Needed Eratta:
Libby Dread, Furioso and Death Company Dread get 4 attacks base plus usually two CCW (unless you swap out for that shotgun flamer thing).
Furioso and Death Company can take units of 3.
Libby Dread can join units of other Dreadnoughts.
>>47131550
>orcs
I don't see why they're any more dead than they were before. All the big nerfs were to drop pod allies and jinking Deldar boats. Sure Tankbustas lost some melee effectiveness V vehicles, but that's about it. I always preferred MANz anyway.
The clarifications on stomp attacks seem like a hard counter to invis biker deathstars. It makes me wish Stompas were cheaper, or gork/morkanauts were super-heavies.
>>47131658
Give him a jump pack or bike, stick in squad that's got the same speed.
>>47131674
They are only doing the BRB FAQs right now
I was looking at the new Psyker powers (don't have an image of the cards unfortunately) so had to go off of BoLS's article.
The 4th power of the Librarius tree is : 4 – WC1 targets the psyker. +2 S, T, I and A..
That just means the Psyker, right, it isn't his unit?
>>47131594
>I'm guessing you've seen the pasta before, or you're new as fuck.
Yeah. The pasta was supposed to be cringe worthy.
This one tried to be cringe worthy and failed. It's like listening to a speds kid tell a knock knock joke incorrectly.
>>47131678
>Tankbustas
>not running 2 Tank Hammers and a Power Klaw in a unit of 15
5 man units aren't for assault anyway. These boyz are the bodyguard for my Lucky Stikk Boss and Painboy.
>>47131626
>Burna bomma is a Bomba
>May take formatio to ignore cover vs ground targets with bombs.
>Bombs are all flamer weapons.
Is it considered untoward to field an Imperial Knight in an army? I'm thinking of getting a Paladin or Crusader, primarily because I love the concept of them as well as the aesthetic. I just want to know if I'll be considered "that guy" if I bring it to a game. I know that Titans are a big no-no unless you're both fielding them, does that stigma carry across to Knights?
>>47131739
6+ save bodyguards.
>>47131755
Below 1000 points, yes.
>>47131674
Libs need 4A base. I can just about cope with them not giving the bonus +1A for two melee weapons, but it's still a fucking joke. Why is Force Glaive a non-specialist weapon, but Dread Fist is?
>>47131718
True.
>>47131755
One Knight is fine. Two you're pushing it. 3 you're gonna get shit on. Unless you're doing 10k pointers, 3+ Knights is stupid. Nobody would regularly play Baron Court formations, maybe once.
>>47131755
If you can beat two land raiders, you can beat a knight.
Buy the Warden kit and start magnetising though, you'll get a ton more bang for your buck that way.
>>47131698
They are RIGHT NOW only doing the BRB FAQs. Next Tuesday the first draft will be taken down and later (we don't know if immediately or after releasing the definitive BRB FAQs) they will start releasing the FAQs for each codex one at a time (most likely while keeping doing the "first draft" -> "definitive one")
>>47130709
Long time Renegade player here.
Well, I find that Renegades and Heretics need a lot of AP2 AND AT, depending on what you're running in Heavy Support. How many Medusa/Executioners are you taking? If the answer is 'none', then I'd recommend Plasma Guns. I personally run plasma guns on all my Veterans, Disciples and Infantry blobs, because I like versatility and I always run dedicated AT.
Or, if you say 'Yes, I have a lot of AP2 options already' then you should be taking melta guns. They will still help with the targets you're Grenadiers are firing at, but can blow the shit out of tanks if you need it. They get a lot of good usage, but if you have a horde heavy meta..fuck it, I can't finish that sentence, you're a Renegade player you should be dropping at least 2-4 Large Blasts a turn!
However, the first piece of advice any Renegade will get..
..get fucking Laser Rapiers or Medusa Siege Guns. They're absolutely dirty good. 9 Rapiers will obliterate any armoured vehicle or MC you focus on, no matter its size, and they're only 20ppm. For only the price of two LRBTs, Medusas give you T7, 3+, firing viciously powerful weapons every turn.
>>47131699
>targets the psyker
Are you seriously asking?
>>47131796
>right now
>RIGHT NOW
English is hard
>>47131816
Well I don't have the actual powers infront of my and wasn't 100% sure. Last time I faced GK he definetly had his whole Warlords group buffed up with it. Next time I see him I will read the card itself.I am still pretty new and don't understand what confers and what doesn't especially psychic things since I have yet to use one
Anybody with the new reprinted farsight supplement know if your cumpulsory crisis teams in a cad still have to be three suits?
>>47131816
>English is hard
You're totally right.
Why are we still using this shitty language instead of just speaking Esperanto?
>>47131699
Unless it says it affects the unit, it doesn't affect the unit. Might of Heroes is for the psyker only. Only generics benefit from it completely, unless their Lib Dreads then the +T and +S is useless.
>>47131775
>>47131787
Yeah, I'm thinking just one knight for large engagements. I do have a couple of friends who like the idea of doing multiple engine fights but that's a long way off. I know I might not use it too often, but I'm definitely more about the collecting and painting aspect of the hobby anyway.
>>47131794
Hadn't looked too closely at the warden kit but it definitely fits what I'm looking for, thanks.
>>47131847
>Space Marines getting a 1 Warp Charge Blessing that gives the entire unit +2 A/S/T/I
Not even GW is shitty enough to let that happen. Sounds like Grey Knights either didnt understnad the new power or was purposely fucking you.
>>47131848
Yes.
>>47131905
They don't. You can take Monats.
>>47131934
You can also take Shadowsun or Aun'Va as your HQ choice in a Farsight detachment now.
>>47131847
Then he cheated.
>>47131880
This. GW crunch is hit and miss but even they aren't that daft. None of the new spells are 'fucking bullshit tier'. Maybe the geo ones. Invisibility is still top dog, which is why Loth is the best Librarian available.
Mephiston with Quickening and Electroshield would be incredibly difficult to defeat, especially if a Gallan Staff Generic casted Warpmetal on him. But still not good enough for his points. Even a S5(10) T6 2+/3++ with A6(+D3) isn't that great.
IG players are complaining about the Vendetta having no Death from the Skies rules... Doesn't that make the Vendetta stronger, as it can't dogfight and gets to just come on, skipping all the bullshit?
>>47131953
>Aun'Va
Didn't the fluff essentially say that Aun'va is just a high tech hologram now. So, essentially, nothing has changed. He was going to die sooner or later (unless he ate more little boy/girl Tau) and now he can't 'die' ever due to being a hologram.
I keep hoping the Tau are going to believe he isn't dead. Then the Imperium send a massive pict feed of the body of Aun'va, tied to the Inquisiton/Imperial Creed 'I' with a message of "He's dead. Your leaders are lying to you."
>>47132086
No. Vendetta is just the damage version of the Valkyrie. You follow the Valkyrie rules for the Vendetta. At least, that's what I've gathered from it. BRB should fix it, unless, of course, Vendetta will be removed from IG 7th due to lack of model.
>>47131905
>>47131934
bruh...
>>47132086
>>47132112
>>47131848
I'm pretty sure epistolary uploaded the new one on KAT last month. Czech for yourself.
Sotell me about your OC space marine chapter(s)
>>47132145
That's what I thought.
>>47132175
>>47132175
>OC space marine chapter(s)
A Dark Angel Successor that has been sent back to their homeworld to oversee recruitment and training and being ordered not to leave their sector. This is a big morale loss for them and between their constant skirmishes with a nearby tomb world Chaos has started showing up as well. Their founding chapter wont help and told them they need to deal with it.It is an experiment by the inner circle to see if the successor will succumb to Chaos like Luther and the Caliban.
>>47132220
>the red thrust
>>47132255
>mfw
Taken from the most recent post of the Regimental Standard.
"Just to be clear, enemy aircraft cannot hit you. The Eldar and their flimsy flyers move much too fast to target ground troops. Ork fighters are primitive and are outfitted with inferior weaponry that lacks the range to hit anything not immediately in front of them. Necron craft rely on the same power source for both their guns and engines and cannot fire while moving."
The Imperial propaganda doesn't even have to lie to bag on the Orks. It's kind of funny.I've accepted my fate as an NPC faction
>>47132289
>Orks suck so their fliers suck
>It's fluffy
>>47132289
>>47132307
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>47132289
>I've accepted my fate as an NPC faction
Shit wouldn't even be a problem if they got priced like an NPC faction.
>>47132384
What? You don't like the $1 to 1pt product line?
Maybe if you stopped kitbashing and custombuilding everything they could afford to lower their prices.:^)
>>47132348
>>47132307
>>47132289
>Grot: Oi boss! wot kinda rules d'yer want?!
>Ork: JUS' ZOG MY SHIT UP
So, what do you expect from DoW3?
More, or less serious, or Soulstorm tier?
>>47132289
>>47132307
I might be retarded. According to the 1d4 wiki, Drone squads cannot score objectives but at the same time, didn't 7e introduce everything as a scoring unit?
>>47132443
Honestly at this stage, even with the PC world interview, its waaaay too early to tell. could be a shitfest babies-first-MOBA or it could totally refine gaming as we know it
give it another month or 6 when we see non-alpha screen shots
>>47132521
1d4 is bad
baaaaaaaaaaaaad at tactics.
>>47132443
For it to be similar to DoW2. Crappy graphics and all. Perhaps a longer and more indepth story mode? Maybe just more Xenos filled.
The Space Hulk game looks really cool and I will probably get it just because I play Dark Angels. The graphics don't look bad either. Hopefully the story is half decent.
Don't know enough about the BFG or WHFB Total War to get hyped.
>>47132521
I don't know about your specific question at all but 1d4 is not a reliable place to learn much. It is appealing in that it doesn't take itself seriously and some of the fluff pages are fun but as >>47132537 said you should take anything you read there with a fistful of salt. More often than not the tactics are either out of date or the specific armies leading autist who posts (and polices) his own tactics and "rules as interpreted" uses of certain things.
Perhaps your drones can score (unless specifically your rulebook says otherwise, since codex overwrites BRB) but can not be objective secured.
>>47132406
He means pointwise, being able to overwhelm the enemy with crappy units instead of just having crappy units
>>47132099
They might be able to clone him as they did have a clone of Puretide in that new story posted here a few weeks back. The question is how much of the Culexus left for them to clone him.
>>47132623
Can't wait for the grimdark story of how every clone they make of him wakes up screaming then dies within a few minutes.
>>47132443
RTShit tier.
Newcrons vs oldcrons. Lore, models, everything. What is superior? State if you play necrons for the record.
>>47132677
Oldcrons are superior Oldcons, Newcrons are superior Newcrons.Both are awful classicrons
>>47132677
Play Necrons but started in 7e, I like some of the older models (but not the wraith/destroyers)
I like the Newcron lore just because it is more easily customization. If you want Oldron lore you can still get it via FW's dynasty or your own.
They feel like a few crazy and wise key characters with tons of mindless drones to dish out.
>>47132642
I highly suspect they'll just make a younger clone of him and say "hey we have a new member of our empire that can make people younger. They're incredibly shy and don't like to be talked about a lot."
>starts screaming and dies every few minutes
This is more acceptable than my idea.
>>47132677
Play Necrons and DE
I miss the old Silver Tide lists of pre update - I don't mind Newcrons, but hate what they did to the C'Tan
>>47132706
what did they do to the C'Tan?
>>47132721
broke them up into controllable shards
ie matt ward retardishness
>>47132721
Turned them from Unspeakable Horrors/Lovecraftian Horrors into pokemon
>>47132699
>FW's dynasty
How many times do I have to say this. The Maynarkh dynasty are not Oldcrons. They have their own courts and royalty, they talk with the lesser races and ally with them, and they are as wacky as the rest of them.
Some anons think they are Oldcrons because the book they appeared in was shown 99% from the Imperial perspective. The Imperials saw the Maynarkh as spoopy this means they are OLDCRONS ignoring the fact that they see ALL Necrons as spoopy.
>>47132729
>>47132737
jesus christ
>>47132677
Oldcrons>Newcrons imo
An "Oldcron" army is on my list of armies to get.
Spaking of the C'tan being Pokemon, will the Tau have a situation with Aun'Va clones like how there's so many Nurse Joys and Officers Jenny?
>>47130715
Having a 1750 against this new player.
Since it's new i'm playing some lists I would never bring seriously.
Currently I'm trying the CSM formations, which are pathetic but it's fun to use the actual CSM for the first time in a very long time.
>>47132677
I don't play Necrons.
Newcrons are better for narrative purposes. You can still do the legion of doom thing, but now they are far more interesting.
>>47132737
>>47132750
more like pokethulu which is also an actual game with rules and everything.
Honestly, at the power level the C'tan were at game wise for Oldcron I couldn't believe them as the galaxy threatening threat they were supposed to be. At least with the new fluff, the models being only a fraction of their power means that a full c'tam seems like a thing that would be scary.
>>47132747
>wacky
you keep using that word...
>>47132847
>At least with the new fluff, the models being only a fraction of their power means that a full c'tam seems like a thing that would be scary.
Remember Dark Crusade or the Soulstorm where Necron Lords fused with a portion of the essences of the C'tan to become sorta like avatars of them?
Yeah, that was way cooler than pokeballs.
>>47132860
Fine.
I will use loony next time.
>>47132880
But what was the essence of the C'tan kept in if not a pokeball?
>>47132844
Exactly, for a community that places a lot of emphasis on "your dudes," there's a lot of hate for the lore that actually allows you to do that.
>>47132889
okay, so you don't like them having gone any sort of crazy. Despite losing some of their mind over when they became robots having been a thing even for oldcron lords, they just never bothered describing any of the personalities that resulted from that.
Do you just like the oldcron personalities because GW didn't write any and therefore couldn't do the uneven and sometimes shitty job GW does whenever they write any character?
>>47132747
The Maynark are almost entirely "oldcrons", because the idea that Necron nobles didn't use to have personalities is complete bullcrap. The codex just focused too much on the fancy Order Gods of the Materium C'tan used to be.
>>47132898
The Gates of Varl.
The true C'tan reaches from all the way over there to impart his will and power on the Necron Lord.
>>47132927
And how is that cooler than giant tesseract vault thingies?
I guess this is where I break from the people who hate the new C'tan. My mental image of the things containing the shards are big crazy arcane technological things, not a pokeball.
>>47132925
>The Maynark are almost entirely "oldcrons"
They are nothing like the oldcrons. They Newcrons who are extra bitter and ax-crazy. In fact, the Maynarkh dynasty is the only dynasty that doesn't use C'tan shards.
>>47132920
>okay, so you don't like them having gone any sort of crazy.
No, little scarab, I would like for them to have personalities that aren't ripped from cartoon villains. Look at the Tomb Kings for example. Their personalities are dignified and serious despite suffering from the passage of time like their Necron counterparts.
>>47130877
>>47132099
>>47132600
reminder that tau pilots have more experience and skill than imperial pilots.
>>47132979
>reminder that tau pilots have more experience and skill than imperial pilots.
Is this from any sort of source? Or just bait?
>>47133025
The "Death from the Skies" supp.
By the way, was it uploaded yet?If it wasn't I might upload it here
>>47133025
not him, but there's a line from the new Death from the Skies book.
>>47132979
then how did farsight get out maneuvered by orks?
>>47132968
>cartoon villians
GW is very inconsistent at writting characters, and most of them are over the top and cartoonish.
Look at basically all the primarchs.
So you did like the old cron personalities, because GW never tried to write them
>Tomb Kings not cartoonish
idon'thaveamacroforthis.jpg
>>47131847
Were they a brotherhood of psychers?
Q: How does a power that targets ‘the Psyker’ but not his unit work on a unit with Brotherhood of Psykers? If, for example, a Wyrdvane Psyker squad casts Iron Arm, does one model nominated as ‘the caster’ receive the benefits? A: The power applies to all ‘Brotherhood of Psykers’ models in the unit.
>>47133061
Went against standard Tau tactica against the Orks by using new close combat tactics against the Orks. He got himself surrounded and had to be evacced by Manta that chased the Orks away.
He learned from his defeat and returned later ro defeat the Waaagh!
>>47133099
>returned later ro defeat the Waaagh!
>this is what Carnac actually believes
>>47132979
>Too close for destroyers, switching to pulse
>>47133061
Orks aren't a threat. He gave them an advantage just to keep them barely satisfied, much like how GW keeps ork players barely satisfied with new models and horrible rules.
>>47132979
Reminder that anyone who actually takes the lore seriously will quickly find out how inconsistent and broken the setting is on virtually every logical level. Now get back to breaking Orkz, Chaos and Dark Eldar over your back with blue pew pew.
>>47133032
I haven't seen the full book anywhere yet. I'd be interested in the weapon profile for the TL Tellyport Mega-Blasta, since it isn't listed on the data sheet that comes in the box with the model.
>>47133076
>idon'thaveamacroforthis.jpg
Show me the Trazyn and Krispekh of the Tomb Kings.
>GW is very inconsistent at writting characters
They are consistent in writing the Necrons as they are now.
When I see a fluff piece where Trazyn litterally wrings his hand and cackles like a moronic dick dastardly, what am I to do?
>>47132406
Ah hahahaha... no. that's not how shit works and you know it.
>>47133113
This is what the Farsight Enclave supp says.
The Ork Warboss ashes are currently in a ball inside Farsight's office.
>>47133091
I play GK. Anything GK units with brotherhood of psykers only have a few chosen powers. They don't roll on tables. They basically get hammerhand and banishment, and cleansing flame for purifiers.
>>47132406
The Stompa is one of the best valued model pts/dollar.
>>47133125
Reminder that imperial players like you get triggered easy as fuck over someone stating current lore.
>>47132289
>The Eldar and their flimsy flyers move much too fast to target ground troops
>Have precision shots on a 5+
>Laughing Crimson Hunters
>>47133131Warhammer 40K supplement: "Death from the Skies".http://www.mediafire.com/download/bcsxyxwynjpx1kp/Drop+the+bombshell%2C+This+is+outta+control.epub
>>47133193
>Stating the truth
>Triggered
>Implying I'm an Imperial player
No, I'm a Necronfag. This doesn't change the fact that the lore is worth very little in terms of a narrative muse, and has become more riddled with favouritism, inconsistency and plot armour by the year. If you're really trying to get one over on people by associating yourself with a fictional faction, I feel sorry for you.
>>47133221
Just because your faction's lore is a inconsistent abomination doesn't mean the other factions and the entire setting is the same.
>>47132677
They're both pretty shit with no real unique aspect, but oldcrons at least weren't a TOTAL pile of garbage.
>>47133121
>He gave them an advantage just to keep them barely satisfied
farsight almost had a mental breakdown
>>47133139
not being arsed to look up names
But eaten-by-bugs guy is over the top cartoony, and I don't care if he or The Mummy movie came out first, they're both the same level of pulpy silliness no matter who did it first. I love that sort of pulply silliness but it's there.
If you think the lead guys 'I DO NOT KNEEL' shtick isn't as silly as hand wringing and cackling I can't help you. He is the He-Man to the Skeletors you are complaining about in the newcron.
Now I'm sure there are examples in other bits of fluff where one or both of those were written competently, but that's where the inconsistency thing comes up. Newcrons just don't have the mass of lore that Tomb Kings to, so that the few jems can be remembered over the piles of mediocraty and crap.
>>47133238
No, it doesn't. What makes the lore an inconsistent, rule-of-cool and/or favouritism driven narrative dictated by the needs of the story over internal logic is the fact that the GW writers, with the exception of a few BL individuals are not even trying anymore. It's a multi-source layout that's been made by multiple parties, to consider it worthy of serious discussion outside of one's own personal group of friends, game, or writing project is absurd.
>>47133221
>I'm totally not triggered
Funny how stating lore with a meme image for tau gets insta-hate.
>>47133208
My nigga
As normal the formatting is off
>>47133266
Of course, it's a pet peeve of /tg/ to hate on the Tau, some might do it as a reaction to literally anything related. However, this hate did not come from anywhere, I have noticed a steady increase in the often labelled "Taufags," trying to anger the others of the board with canon or pseudo-canon. That being said, all lore is inconsistent, as said, Imperials, Tau, Tyranids, or do you just enjoy putting words into others' mouths in order to try and offend them with your own fabrications?
>>47130721
i'm slightly interested, it's cheaper then fenris and i only really need the rules for daemons
>>47133208
Aw sheeit! Thanks mah monkeigh.
>>47133120
you can be my wingman any time.
>>47132289
>Necron craft rely on the same power source for both their guns and engines and cannot fire while moving.
>>47133300
I enjoy stating lore with a meme image and getting (you)s from triggered imperial players.I don't even play tau
>>47133208
>epub
what opens this?
>>47133076
>GW never tried to write them
That's what I liked about Oldcrons. You never got to hear their side of the story, so it was just them showing up and doing something violent, and you'd have to try and piece the bits together and guess what their motive was.
Like when the Oldcrons show up on an Imperial world, murder everyone and grab a single human baby before leaving.
What's so special about the child?
Why do the Necrons want him/her?
Is it a pariah thing?
Who knows.
>>47133355
EBook readers that aren't kindles.
>>47133355
I use Sumatra PDF. It's p good, but some /g/fag is probably about to tell me it's malware and I'm fucking idiot.
>>47133263
>If you think the lead guys 'I DO NOT KNEEL' shtick isn't as silly as hand wringing and cackling I can't help you. He is the He-Man to the Skeletors you are complaining about in the newcron.
The "I DO NOT SERVE" thing is a cool character moment from the End Times where the character exited the stage in a respectful manner, basically telling the literal god of death to go fuck himself. The AoS rules for him made it into a joke/meme. It has nothing to do with the character and more with the fanbase.
The Newcrons do not have even the spark of the dignity that the Tomb Kings had. Not even a shred in the 4-5 years of their existence. The only way the Newcrons appeared as a competent and menacing foe was when FW in their wisdom (and laziness) decided to obscure the Necrons perspective from their book. So the only way for the Newcrons to appear threatening is to hide their personalities and antics behind a wall of spoopy.
>>47133300
If you genuinely get upset over flavour text asserting one faction's dominance you absolutely deserve to be trolled into the ground.
>>47133385
>telling the literal god of death to go fuck himself
Haha what a wacky guy!
>>47133353
Fair enough. It really is amusing to see both the heavily Tau and anti-Tau members of the board going at it, both seemingly associating themselves with fictional men and taking personal insult to a canon that is liable to change as fast as the sales of each faction, or how fast a BL writer can get his hands on a new area. Admittedly, I have fallen prey to such things before.
>>47133347
Some Imperials in-'verse will say anything to degrade their opponents by any means possible, even with outright lies. This is especially true when the instance in particular proves superiority over the Imperial equivalent. No faction personifies void and air superiority per individual unit more than the Necrons.
>>47133208
is it just me or it all fucked up
>>47132979
I really dislike the direction Tau were taken in after 4th
>>47133404
>you absolutely deserve to be trolled into the ground.
This a thousand times, my god.
Do these faggots not realize where they are?
>>47133416
It's always like this depending on the reader you use
I'm working on converting it to PDF, no guarantees though
>>47133404
>If you genuinely get upset
Perhaps you should start remembering that there is, in fact, a conciousness on the other side of this conversation beyond your own? It has always been amusing how desperate trolls are in an attempt to justify themselves, that they will happily pretend in their own fictional world that the other side is, in secret, screaming and kicking. This habit is further reinforced by your complete disregard for my mentioning as a Necrontyr player, there was no comparison to be made to my own faction.
>>47133412
I do it because this general and board are heavily biased towards marines and imperials. With xenos races getting the beatdown constantly. Just look at the stuff I originally quoted.
>>47132443
I expect you to take it to /v/ tier.
>>47133153
>The Ork Warboss ashes are currently in a ball inside Farsight's office.
>>47133032
You only bought it for fluff Carnac, ya faggot.
>>47131170
The daemon portraits make it look like they had to be scrawled down second hand by someone listening to the descriptions of raving madmen
They're fantastic
>>47133385
You're remembering the good parts and forgetting the bad. Selection bias in memory is a thing, and we all do it.
Like I remember the ending of DS9 being good, but I fully realize that's because I mentally edit the hell out of those episodes, so that there are basically 4 characters, rather than the more than dozen that there actually are. Because the rest of it sucks.
I remember Bab 5 a lot more fondly, because I basically remember the Londo and G'kar show.
And it goes the other way too. Once you dislike something you'll remember all the bits that you dislike and forget the others.
I'm not saying Newcrons are good. They're basically GW level writing, only you don't have the benefit of nostogia, and they don't have the benefit of decades of writing.
>>47133404
I get that, but I play tau and think this is all a bit hamfisted to the point where I've lost interest in new tau fluff, starting around the stormsurge release. The whole thing about them just being better pilots IS dumb, if it said "Tau pilots are r8 gud becoz they do science n computin wot the imperials don't" that would be cool, and no one would have issue with it.
>>47132677
Oldcrons lore was by far better, more mysterious and intriguing. You really didn't knew anything about crons, and they were somehow involved everywhere. I loved how much fluff debate this space terminators caused. the Void Dragon was my favorite C'tan.
Sure, Newcrons lore gives more liberty. I still mad because they could have just implemented it without fucking completely the old lore.
>rules
Newcrons>Oldcrons and this is not debatable. Dealing with an old Monolit was a nightmare. And the phase out rule sucked balls.
>models
Old models lacked of variety, but I neither like the current egyptian looking. Thousand sons were supposed to be the egyptians here.
Also I can't still fucking deal with "le robots piloting machines" meme. It's retarded and looks silly. They didn't learn anything from the Star Wars prequels.
And new flayed are ugly as fuck compared to the old ones
>>47133153
> has actually read the Farsight supplement
My condolences.
>>47133410
if you don't have nostalgia goggle on, it reads as wacky and silly.
For me, the End Times books were stretches of boredom intermixed with moments of unintentional comedy.
>>47133442
It's not trolling to anyone but you, baby that you are.
>>47133404
Yet, one of the main perpetrators of this shit, gets into a fucking autistic rage fit when people see his headcanon is based on a single sentence. Extrapolation to the illogical extreme is his moto.
It's just a thing that several known shitposters do. If you think anybody is screaming their heads off in an autistic fit, you need to re examine your idea. Most people are fed up of it simply cause it's the same shit, it isn't infuriating, it's boring. There is a difference. People don't wan this shit. They don't want these people doing it.
>>47132677
Oldcrons felt hamfisted and they didn't really stand out with Tyranids being a thing, but they were cool as fuck
Newcrons have personality, but I hate the wackiness. The models are over-designed, but I guess that was inevitable
>>47133353
Why? How can (you) be so important that starting pointless fighting could be worth it?
>>47133506
I liked them. Especially the Skaven blowing up the moon. Then getting owned by Lizardmen and then fleeing like bitches to Chaos.
>>47132964
>My mental image of the things containing the shards are big crazy arcane technological things, not a pokeball.
Well, they're actually Pokécubes according to the Grey Knight dexes. Handheld, fist-sized.
That's tesseract labyrinths though, the things that hold regular C'tan Shards. Transcendent C'tan are too powerful for a little labyrinth to hold, so they're the ones that go into the huge tesseract vaults.
Except as of the latest codex, when the C'tan were broken, all their shards were imprisoned in tesseract vaults, and all C'tan Shards are Transcendent C'tan, which are contained in tesseract labyrinths.
>>47133538
>Oldcrons felt hamfisted and they didn't really stand out with Tyranids being a thing
I disagree. Oldcrons were distinct in that they had unknowable motivations.
Tyranids have only one motivation, and it's easily knowable.
>>47133443
>These people are buwwing me :(
>I know! I'll buwwing dem back! Dat'll teach em and make the fred all da better 4 it :D
>the 7th edition daemons codex will just be the 6th + the wulfen formations
I guess I can't be mad since it'll remain a great codex, but kinda sad it won't get a real update. Hopefully the new dex release is reason for them to start putting out the new greater daemon kits.
>>47133572
Wrong. Oldcrons had one goal. To enslave the entire galaxy in soul farms and make new bodies. That was it. They were Nids but for another reason. Newcrons at least can be anything you want them to be. IA11 has Necrons as unknowable monstriosities, while many others work on schedules and programming, others are bad shit mad, others want to return to their bodies, others want to fuck with time, others want to collect shit.
If you want your dudes to be murderbots, go for it. Of course, this is bad and fluff should remain rigid.. but only for fluff I like!
>>47133512
Ah, more assumptions, please, continue the fictional ad hominem in an attempt to make yourself feel proud behind your computer screen. Though >>47133531 can sum up exactly why such an attitude is not entirely welcome.
>>47133538
I personally like both the Newcrons and Oldcrons, though for obviously different reasons considering their fluff alterations.
Needless to say the former fluff focused more upon the "C'tan," as a threat, with their undead legions, much as how one does not usually think of the skeletons, but the Necromancer that raised them. The newer lore gives them a personality that I do not particularly dislike, and makes it feel more like Codex: Necrons than Codex: C'tan Servants, though perhaps it would be better if they made them less wacky, which is what truly drove the disparity in theme, rather than the whole Pokécube phenomenon.
>>47133546
Stop being new. Ignoring retards is the only way to get them to stop. Every reply, no matter what it is, feeds them. You are just as much a part of the problem as him.
>>47130984
>Dogfight phase
Oh for fuck sake, another entirely useless phase?
C'mon GW, I want to play 40K because no one else has the armies you do but your rules are already terrible, you're breaking my balls here.
Where can i get old noise marine figure(i dont care if they are recasts aslong as they are decent) or just some sort of noise marine, really want to paint some up
>>47133458
He probably taunts the haunted ashes.
How do I leldar without falling into Wraithknights but still remain competitive?
>>47133674
Ebay.
20$ a pop
>>47131755
From what I gather it used to, but Knights are pretty much in line with the general game now. Love it or not, this is what 40K is now.
>>47133563
>Grey Knight dex
that would explain why I don't recall it. Not the place I go looking when trying to see c'tan lore.
IIRC the necron codex don't have anything saying that the shards are contained in handheld devices. So I always pictured even the lesser shards were containe in something fairly large, and then scaling up to the super-heavy thing for the bigger shards.
I can definetly see where the hand held thing sounds dumb. But if the smallest one containing a shard long terms is the size of a truck, the image is actually pretty cool imho
>>47133691
One day them ashes are going to get angry enough to escape from that ball. Fear the dust, watch as it overheats your computers and clogs your engines!
>>47133645
Problem is, many people don't know what certain posters look like. Carnac, Slav Shitposter, Slav Falseflagger. Hell, Vitaloptium is probably evaded back by now.
It's a thing and it's difficult to defend against. Unless people went to /qa/ and begged for IP range bans on these people, it won't stop.
>>47133661
Don't play it then. It's a supplement.
>>47133610
>Wrong. Oldcrons had one goal. To enslave the entire galaxy in soul farms and make new bodies. That was it. They were Nids but for another reason.
Wrong.
Oldcrons wanted to conquer and enslave the galaxy in their name of their gods. To restore the C'tan Empire of Destruction.
Tyranid do not serve gods, do not build empires, and they do not enslave.
If anything, they were an in-verse version of Chaos. Evil Order.
>Newcrons at least can be anything you want them to be.
All newcrons are bond by the last command of the Silent king, to rebuild their empire. They go at it in different methods because they interpret it differently.
This can translated into the Oldcrons since before the C'tan awakened, the Necrons were doing stuff left and right.
>IA11 has Necrons as unknowable monstriosities
Except for the fact that the book has an entire section telling you the history of the dynasty, perspective of the war, and their motivations. A small one but enough to know that they are not unknowable. They are Newcrons as wacky as loony as the rest.
You can't read. So I am having doubts about you.
>If you want your dudes to be murderbots,
Find a single mention of Necrons worshipping C'tan in the fluff. I dare ya.
>>47133703
>Scatbikes
>Aircraft Spam
>Any other wraith unit.
Wraithknights are only one of the many things the Eldar has that is pure cheddar. It just happens to be the ripest.
>>47133703
Close your eyes and flip through pages at random to choose your units, skipping wraithknights & such.
>>47133703
Anything
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/new-cod-sup/codex-chaos-daemons-digital.html
What is this?
So, I decided to plunge into the Warp and buy the Dark Vengeance box set.
The guy at the hobby shop tried to add on a shitload of brushes and paints, but i held off on it.
What suppliers do you all go to to get the brushes and paints for your armies?
Is it frowned upon to use non canon colors for the armies?
>>47133434
>do these faggots not realize where they are?
Listen retard, everyone knows this is /tg/. That doesnt mean the generals have to be 80% shitposting. They werent always as bad as they are now. Anons that used to post actual content are leaving, and newfags/miserable tards like yourself have taken over. If you're ok with browsing s thread thats mostly arguing and shitposting, thats great. Because thats what it is now.
I rarely even reply here anymore, because theres hardly anything to reply to. Enjoy your 40k themed /b/, thats all it is anymore.
>>47133720
Yes, the reader was told this information, but we're talking about influff. Which is, the Imperials DIDN'T know why they were attacking. DKoK just threw themselves until Minotaurs arrived and did their thing.
>ad hom
Oh I know who this is...
>>47133720
Not him, but...
>The powers of the C'tan manifested in the physical world were indeed almost god-like and it was not long before the C'tan were being worshiped as the Star Gods the Necrontyr had named them
>being worshipped
>>47133718
>It's a supplement.
For now.
>>47133804
You can do what you want anon. You can even use the new rules and not play the new phase. You can do whatever you and your mates want to do, if you all agree.
>>47133750
>>47133603
The "7th edition" update for the daemon codex which just adds the thirster/exalted flamer profiles and the daemonic incursion detachment/formations
>>47133762
You can paint your models however you want.
>>47133721
Cheddar's such an overrated cheese.
>>47133803
I meant Necrons and I also meant post-sharding Necrons.
>>47133762
You can use whatever colors and paints you want, it's recommended you use a decent primer and don't use thick paint.
All the GW tools and brushes are overpriced shit, armypainter makes great brushes.
Aside from that, a good exacto knife and pair of flat sided clippers for getting stuff off the sprue will go a long way.
>>47133721
>any other wraith units
Wraithlords are not ever very good let alone cheesy.
Wraithfighters and cannon-guards are decent but not cheesy.
Aircraft spam isn't a particular eldar issue. Crimson Hunters are good, but it's not enough better than all other factions to make this eldar cheese rather than just an example of more general cheese.
Scatterbikes.... yeah, 90% of how I adjust my armies cheesiness is the number of scatterbikes.
That said, there are several ways to play eldar that is good but not cheestastic.
>>47133841
Mate. Watch your gob.
>>47133717
Almost sounds like one of the items my Chaos Lord has. The difference being its a lantern shaped like an Ork skull that sucks up Ork souls. The Orks' imagination creates their own little paradise. Sluggas the size of demolisher cannons, choppas the size of hab blocks, grots the size of Knights, anything they want. All of this causes WAAGGH energy for my Chaos Lord to use as a boost.
>>47133735
++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1846pts) ++
+ HQ (400pts) +
Warlock Conclave (400pts)
10x Warlock with Singing Spear [10x Singing Spear]
+ Troops (921pts) +
9x Storm Guardian w/ CCW and Pistol]
2x Storm Guardian w/ Power Sword and Pistol
Warlock Leader [Singing Spear]
Wave Serpent [Shuriken Cannon, Twin-linked Eldar Missile Launcher]
9x Storm Guardian w/ CCW and Pistol]
2x Storm Guardian w/ Power Sword and Pistol
Warlock Leader [Singing Spear]
Wave Serpent [Shuriken Cannon, Twin-linked Eldar Missile Launcher]
9x Storm Guardian w/ CCW and Pistol]
2x Storm Guardian w/ Power Sword and Pistol
Warlock Leader [Singing Spear]
Wave Serpent [Shuriken Cannon, Twin-linked Eldar Missile Launcher]
+ Fast Attack (150pts) +
3x Vyper [Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon]
+ Heavy Support (180pts) +
War Walkers (180pts)
2x War Walker [2x Eldar Missile Launcher]
+ Lord of War (195pts) +
Avatar of Khaine (195pts)
>>47133772
>actual content isn't posted anymore
there's that meme again. maybe it's because the 40k game itself is going to shit that causes shitposting or maybe it's because most unique content in the universe has already been fleshed out. Either way unique content is still being made, and posted here. Shitposters do nothing to change that.
>>47133780
>Yes, the reader was told this information, but we're talking about influff. Which is, the Imperials DIDN'T know why they were attacking. DKoK just threw themselves until Minotaurs arrived and did their thing.
ALL Newcrons can be represents as unknowable horrors if seen from the perspective of the Imperials. You acted like Maynarkh is unique in this.
And no we are talking about the out-verse perspective don't flip it about. When the other anon said the Oldcron had unknown motivations you corrected anon by saying they did. So now you telling me it was about the Imperial perspective?!
>>47133721
I think Scatbikes as troops are worse. Dont get me wrong, WK's are absurdly undercosted, presumably because no one was buying the kit. But Scatbikes' mobility, killing power, obsec, its just a fucking joke. Games Workshop lost so many players because of the Eldar codex. Theres no way they sold enough Eldar kits to offset it.
Corporate greed coupled with a lack of awareness regarding their customer/playerbase. I'll be here to laugh at them when its 11:59 pm, and they suddenly realize how wrong their strategies were.
>>47133844
there is fluff of necrons having gone mad such that they forget what time period they are in.
While there isn't a specific mention of a dynasty that still worships the c'tan, that sort of madness is well within the realm of plausible things.
Random question. Isn't there a 4chan plugin which gives everybody ID's regardless of board which doesn't change from thread to thread?
That'd be very useful to have... Allow me to filter certain people.
>>47133855
What about Wraith Seers?
>>47130715
Not playing because finals week is coming and I want to diiiiiiie.
>>47133896
But that isn't true. Shield of Baal proves they aren't always 'unknowable'. They purposely talk to the BA about doing shit. Their plans are then known. In IA11, they are not known.
>>47133610
>make new bodies
That's a Newcronand Oldestcron, sort ofthing. Oldcrons had no interest in returning to flesh.
Although on second thought, maybe some did, as just like in Newcron fluff, not all of the Oldcrontyr went willingly. It's possible some of those forced converts were among the Oldcrons that retained their minds, though whether they were in a position to do anything about it is a different matter.
>>47133714
Tesseract labyrinths were actually introduced by Ward in Codex: Grey Knights, as a teaser for the first Newcron codex which was released later that year. The latter didn't describe tesseract labyrinths in as much detail, but it did include them as a wargear option for Lords and Overlords - which, even if you hadn't read the GK codex, could be taken as an indicator that they weren't that big. The GK codex character Inquisitor Valeria also carried a piece of wargear, the Hyperstone Maze, that the Newcron codex revealed to be a tesseract labyrinth (and true enough, they functioned identically).
While I wish the retcon hadn't happened, I was never really bothered by the idea of PokéC'tan in itself. The shards were actually one of the more interesting aspects of the 5th edition codex for me, but then the current one completely borked both the fluff definitions and their TT customizability.
>>47133903
>talking to Carnac
God damnit, this is why nothing changes.
>>47133933
Pic for you.
>>47133905
Never heard of that. You can still use the old method to identify samefagging though.
>>47133903
There are False-Necron in the "Devourer" novel that were a little confused.
When a Cryptek spoke of the C'tan, some of them tried to do gestures of worship to the C'tan but then programming checked in and stopped and they remembered that C'tan a shit.
This is what I believe is called the Anti-C'tan Protocols.
>>47133889
What a completely shitty list. Also, illegal.
>>47133897
there wasn't a grand strategy there. yes they wanted to sell bikes and wraithknights, but they probably had no idea how it would affect the overall balance of the game.
Because intentionally shaping overall game balance would require a lot of people communicating, working together, and being competent. And I've too much faith in human bickering, miscommunication, and incompetence.
Allowing unlimited heavy weapons was clearly a new kit push, and expensive kits are pushed, but the overall result was not intended.
Pushing the new bike kits that way sucks for me, because I would have bought them just because they look so much better than the old kits.
>>47133979
Why?
>>47133936
Dude, the Imperium only new what the Necrons are in the last 100 years of the setting when the Necrons stated to appear regularly. Prior to this, the Imperium didn't know what the Necrons were (only a few did).
For example, the Imperials did not know that the World Engine was a Necron machine.
>>47133954
That's effort.
This is the kind of thing.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/4chan-color-users/beipdekhhnnblckcejbbppjpggbemdda?hl=en
>>47134007
knew what*
>>47133948
>necron wargear
I always pictured that as a temporary measure.
Like it let you capture a thing, and let it go later, but there wasn't any sort of control device in there. because I don't remember any control device being mentioned.
>>47133979
I agree on it being shitty, but how is it illegal?
>>47133995
If you dont know why its shitty you probably dont play this game.
Also Warlocks dont count as HQ-choice.
