Reminder to swordfags
>>47120587
But I use throwing swords. A limitless supply of throwing swords.
>>47120668
And I use throwing spears.
Samurai are super gay though.
Answering bait with real question: If Swords are Short-Range, what the hell are Knives and other close contact weapons?
>>47120688
Yeah but those are far easier to bat out of the air when unarmed because they only really have one sharp bit you need to avoid.
>>47120701
Very Short, Touch, or No Range?
>>47120668
>Not using this
Plebians beneath my noble visiage
>>47120736
>doesn't shoot franks
INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
>>47120736
Silly American, Guns Aren't Real Because Our Fingers Aren't Real.
>>47120701
Shank range.
>>47120587
The weaknessess of polearms include flexibility in confined spaces.
like kobold infested dungeons.
Secondary weaknesses is restrictions to their potential loadouts. A polearm + shield prevents you from using both hands on the spear as efficiently as you could have. A polearm cannot be wielded to full effect while reloading a crossbow. A polearm does not stash quickly, compared to sheathing a sword.
That's pretty much it.
None of the things I care about are weapons. Is that a problem?
>>47120745
Don't worry, here's the real one.
>>47120587
>Not carrying a sidearm
What are you, some sort of 8-STR wuss who can't handle the carry weight?
>>47120701
I guess the common term would be "melee" or "hand-to-hand."
Generally unless it's a big thrusting knife (see, actually a sword) knives are short enough that their reach is really inconsequential compared to just fucking punching people.
>>47120736
>not the FRANKA-FRANKA-FRANKA edit
for shame
>>47120587
>vanilla sword
Even Broli used a lightsaber.
>>47120587
>not having a spear, a shield, and a sword
laughinggreeks.webm
Swords have the advantage of being very versatile and easy to carry. They're ideal close-range weapons unless you're dealing with a heavily armored force (where you'd need a mace), or the elves (where you'd want an axe, for demoralization).
Plus, polearms have a somewhat limited window of reach: If you can get inside the polearm's reach, they'll be forced to drop it and change weapons.
>>47120701
Swords are only short range if you don't know what you're doing.
>>47120832
Who's Broli?
>>47120834
That Walfas comic I remember. It's meant to mock the number of sword-wielding OCs who think a vanilla sword is good for all circumstances. They don't even halfsword or mordhau.
>>47120834
>not having a pocket dimension filled with every weapon known to man in staggering quantity
>>47120879
>a pocket dimension filled with high explosives and nuclear warheads
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
>>47120851
The strongest Saiyajin presumably
>>47120875
It's a really iconic weapon, to be fair. Most normies don't know Cuchulain or other non-sword heroes.
>>47120879
Does the dimension also have a staggering quantity of prickishness?
>>47120851
He's the guy with the snazzy hat on the bottom right. The creator of OP's picture has plenty of works mocking various Mary Sue traits, especially Touhou OCs who somehow think vanilla swords are good in a world based around ranged combat. Broli, a parody character, fights by chucking swords at his enemies.
>>47120774
This is dumb. You're dumb. Pretty much every polearm was either explicitly intended for or fully capable of linear thrusts (IE, being used as a spear.) Sure, it could probably be annoying as fuck to use a hafted weapon in a confined space if you had to swing it around, but luckily, you don't fucking use polearms like that for the most part. Imagine trying to get at a guy with a spear while you have a sword. Now imagine that you're both in a narrow hallway- you're going to have an even harder time because YOU can't maneuver around. It's the principle of a choke-point.
If you were in really close quarters (as in literally climbing around in little tunnels) or managed to get surrounded without backup, sure, having a hafted weapon probably isn't your best option, but for the most part using anything BUT a thrusting weapon in confined spaces is utter lunacy. If you get a little bit of reach advantage, all the better.
>>47120774
Yet on open ground, a halberdier beats a swordsman nine out of ten times. Polearms are very much the assault rifles of their time, and swords are the pistols: a secondary weapon for a soldier, or the weapon of choice for a civilian.
>>47120933
Well, a sufficiently demeaning attitude can cause harm to someone's psyche, so weaponized "prickness" I suppose could be in there.
>>47120933
I wonder what if they read the Mahabharata. Now that's overpowered Bows & Arrows up the ass.
>>47120959
>this analogy again
Go home, anon, you're being a retard (again).
>>47120846
Difference between a fenching lunge and just stabbing with a long weapon is that with the former, while you can often close surprisingly long distance (seriously, fencers are fucking crazy), you still end up with your body/hand closer than you would if you used a spear.
Also, you can lunge with a spear as well.
>>47120934
Ah. So it wasn't that other Broli, then. My mistake.
>>47120985
Well, bows and arrows are a little more iconic; William Tell and Robin Hood and such. Everyone knows bows and arrows.
>>47120587
>being a candy assed bitch of the line
>not being a rodelero
>>47120994
This Broli stars in "A Diamond in the Rough", a walfas animation which TvTropes'd call a "deconstruction" of things like Mary Sue self-insert fanfiction & especially the Touhou kind. He starts off like an OC DONUT STEEL but he grows as a character & ends up as a rather balanced one.
>>47121000
>William Tell
>bow
He used a CROSSBOW you fucking mongoloid!
>>47121023
A much better Broli than the blond guy whose power is maximum.
How many remember that the Norse Dwarfs were the ones who forged Mjolnir? We need some hammers.
>side characters trying to justify their shitty life choices with muh realism
Yeah whatever pal, enjoy being in the background I'll be saving the world with my sword
>>47121059
Why would you want shitty hammers when you can have boars?
>>47121049
Very much so, unlike Broly who's "I'M STRONGER THAN YOU", Broli faces shit tons of consequences & defeats for each his actions.(Broly got defeated twice in the movies, not counting Bio-Broly.) Broli isn't portrayed as strong as he's portrayed selfish or gradually weaker & self-aware. He's what if an OC DONUT STEEL didn't have the world their fanfic is in bend to their will.
>>47121073
You really think that's your sword, whelp?The sword is controlling you, Shulk.
>>47121027
A crossbow is just taking two bows and knocking them together to make a short bow.
Don't you know how sex works?
>>47121087
This.
>he uses a common man's weapon
>he doesn't use the poleaxe
>>47121109why is a sword controlling she-hulk?
>>47121087
>not wanting to drop the hammer
swords are heroic because it's what you're often left using at the end of a fight
and we all know the winners write the history books
>>47121158
>tfw Jin will never get over his Ragna-boner
>>47120587
I have a question. Why are swords seen as the default balanced weapon, when they're specifically made to be agile weapons? They should be the speed weapon.
>>47121148Not her. The kid with the Xenoblade.
hey, like, what if we just make the sword longer?
>>47121111
No
>>47121173
>mfw Jin will never notice how best Noel is
>>47120934
Yeah but so does Yumeko, how's that a parody
>>47121191
It depends on the sword. I wouldn't call a Greatsword speedy.
>>47121191
>swords
>balanced
Sword beats axe beats lance beats sword, anon.
>>47121212
>I wouldn't call a Greatsword speedy.
And I wouldn't call you intelligent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKEdcCSz_8c
>>47120668
shirou pls get off 4chan
>>47120587
>like Sanada Yukimura who was the best samurai
>>47121209
>Noel
Quit posting, 'Condom'.
>>47121210
Broli is what happens when a Touhou OC doesn't have the writer on his side. His trek through Gensokyo isn't as pleasant as it is disastrous. Broli himself isn't as magic as many Touhou characters. He doesn't have as many work arounds aside from hammerspace & the ability to chuck swords.
>>47121205
Well when a bow grows up it wants to make more bows, so when it finds a nice bow they'll get smashed together really fast like. You know? Just BAM BAM BAMABMABAM! And then viola! In a few weeks of carving like that a new little bow is made!
Sometimes a Longbow and a shortbow get together and cross and then you get stranger things like the composite bow.
Duh, senpai.
>>47121248
You're literally describing Yumeko, a PC98-era character who's a maid what chucked entire swords like Sakuya chucks knives, therefore upstaging her forever before Sakuya even existed. Lrn22hu.
>>47121245
waddle dee pls, she's a best and you know it
>>47121245
Didn't you dye your clothes recently?
>>47121191
Swords are dextrous and require finesse, which I'm sure is a big part of their staying power as a herioc weapon, but spears are faster for the most part just by merit of geometry.
A basic two-handed spear stabbing motion is an incredibly efficient movement in terms of economy of motion. Being a two handed weapon, a longspear (like a longsword) has a lot of leverage and can deliver sucsessive strikes pretty fucking fast if need be. Whats more, by simple merit of length, when the user of a hafted weapon makes a subtle adjustment at their end of the weapon, the spearhead can move to a dramatically different angle.
I've done even just the slightest bit of HEMA dorkery, and even then I can tell you that a major, MAJOR advantage a spear has over a sword that most people don't consider is the fact that a spear user can deliver an attack to your feet, then your face or vice versa really, really fucking fast without really putting too much effort into it or telegraphing their movement at all.
>>47121279
No, I'm not describing Yumeko nor any PC98 character. Broli's far more self-serving when the story began & is, among other things, a named male character. I don't remember many male Touhou characters aside from Rinnosuke.
>>47121212
Two handed anythings are fast as fuck, arguably faster than one handed weaponry.
Fulcrums, yo.
>implying any of you could handle the huge, heavy, and thick spear of Achilles
Even Patroclus couldn't handle that shitWhich is why he was the top
>>47121322
I don't give a fuck about OCs, OCs are inevitably cancer. I remember when I used to post on th-p, those were the days.
>>47121352
>OCs are inevitably cancer
OCs, especially Touhou ones, are what Broli's entire character are supposed to "deconstruct" as Tv Tropes would call it. He's supposed to be everything wrong with an OC put together & then made to suffer & develop as a character.
>>47121394
Who gives a fuck about OCs, besides some tertiary fags on some MAL-tier forum? I've never seen this shit crop up on th-p, /jp/ or literally anywhere else worth visiting.
>>47121235
And I would say see some other weapons. I feel a Spear be faster. Maybe we should use a sword as a spear.
>>47121431
Nice missing the point. What do you think of parody or satire?
>>47120934
Isn't this basically 3.PF_in_a_nutshell.png?
>>47121489
I think nothing of it if it involves parodying the dumbest, most braindead elements of society, especially internet society. I have enough runins with those retards daily anyway.
>>47121394
DECONSTRUCTION DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM TVTROPES YOU NITWIT.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Deconstruction
>Deconstruction according to Derrida
>Basic philosophical concerns
>Derrida's concerns flow from a consideration of several issues:
>A desire to contribute to the re-valuation of all western values, built on the 18th century Kantian critique of reason, and carried forward to the 19th century, in its more radical implications, by Kierkegaard and Nietzsche.
>An assertion that texts outlive their authors, and become part of a set of cultural habits equal to, if not surpassing, the importance of authorial intent.
>A re-valuation of certain classic western dialectics: poetry vs. philosophy, reason vs. revelation, structure vs. creativity, episteme vs. techne, etc.
That autistic point out of the way, I have made my peace as a former 13-year-old fan-fiction writer that an original character is only justified within original content.
If you're going to create a character within an already existing setting, you should really consider why he isn't the protagonist of his own story.
The reason Broli seems to exist is to poke fun and criticize the writings of a portion of a subset of the weeaboos who happen to follow a particular weeaboo game on a Baltic cooking show forum, a niche so incredibly narrow it's almost two-dimensional.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
>>47121324
Interesting, but makes sense.
>>47121523
>OCs are the most braindead elements of society
You are so cute
>>47121523
>parodying the dumbest, most braindead elements of society
>implying mocking those aspects aren't fun
>>47121658
It gets on my fucking nerves and I'd rather forget that they even exist
I'd prefer to spend my free time reading a good story instead of watching someone meme about idiots
>>47121512
Nah, and it essentially has nothing to do with 3.PF's problems -- the problem is "guy who can perform attacks 2' away" vs "guy who can perform attacks 30' away" vs "guy who can perform attacks farther away than you can move in one round" vs "guy who can perform attacks based off line of sight."
3e's problems are more "that guy is chipping away at hit points" vs "that guy is killing/neutralizing the enemy with a single failed save and failed spell resistance check" (beguiler/necromancer/psion tier) vs "that guy is killing/neutralizing the enemy, there is no saving throw, spell resistance, or roll beyond a rigged inits" (conjurer tier).
>>47121598
>DECONSTRUCTION DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM TVTROPES YOU NITWIT
Did I claim it came from TV Tropes? All I said was "As TV Tropes would say" because TvTropes makes much usage of it & is an easy source of reference which many know of. It's just like how many use 1984 or Brave New World as an example of a dystopia despite dystopian literature far predating those books.
>a niche so incredibly narrow it's almost two-dimensional
But the character itself & many of the actions he does applies to many other OCs too. It's a take on Touhou OCs that applies to non-Touhou ones.
>>47121684
>reading a good story
>parodies or satire on bad literature is immediately bad
>>47121684
What have you got against Don Quixote and Shakespeare, huh?
>>47121191
Swords are the most heroic weapon.
Spears stab. Axes hack. Swords can stab, hack, slash, cut, or be driven deep into the hide of some horrible beast. This makes swords far more versatile in the hands of a skilled storyteller, since all these maneuvers carry different connotations. Swords are also more laden with symbolism. Finally, swords allow a hero to display clear strength and power, but also outwit and outspeed big and dumb opponents.
tl;dr: D&D mimics storytelling traditions more than military traditions. But you already knew that.
Fucking weeaboos
>>47120708
By that argument, you want a crossbow, and you would not be wrong there.
>polearms vs swords argument again
>>47121980
Why would anyone want a crossbow?
They take too long to reload.
>>47122031
Less training maybe. One of the reasons why guns became popular.
>>47122270
I say all we need are rocks, some string, and a piece of leather.
Give that and you'll give someone a bad day.
>>47122403
Yes, slings would get the job done. I'm unsure if you can cause it to rain rocks with one though.
>>47122021
>>47122446
Bigger sling, more rocks.
>>47120587
This is a bad comparison. A sword is a sidearm as where a halves is not
>>47122550
Halberd fucking autocorrect worst feature of the century
>>47120846
>>47120991
Also, it takes longer to regain your balance after doing a full-length fencing lunge than it does to regain your balance after a quick spear thrust of equivalent reach.
On the other hand, if he's already at a closer range than the spear is meant to fight at, the swordsman has the advantage over the spearman without even lunging at all.
>>47120587
What's the point of using speech bubbles if you're going to preface each character's dialogue with their name ala script-format?
>>47123180
Anon: I think it's a pretty swell idea
>>47123180
Not everyone knows the characters. It all started with >>47120934 which mocked the ineffectiveness of using only a sword in Touhou. Some others like OP's pic came along & had their own spin. By some point, it became a game of "beat up Jack" & the creator of the original even had a little fun poking at how things have changed.
>>47120828
>>47120807
There you go.
I like Crossbows.
Enemy wields a Sword? Shoot him!
Enemy wields a Polearm? Shoot him!
Crossbows are awesome.
>>47123851
What if a guy comes close to you& has a crossbow fetish?
>>47123880
Run away After that, shoot him.
It's so versatile...
>>47123958
But what if the guy keeps running with you?
What if he has a shield?
>>47124224
Get a Crossbowbuddy.
Shoot him together.
Or
Hide.
Shoot him when he isn't looking.
>>47124286
What if it's two shields.
What if he is wearing shields on his armor?
What if he has a shield bubble?
What if he's a hairy wizard?
>>47120587
Something becomes mainstream -> It gets subverted -> The subversion becomes mainstream -> The subversion is reverted to the mainstream
The ' lol a sword-wielding knight would always lose to a peasant with a polearm ' meme is just step 3 of this cultural process on /tg/.
>>47123958
What if the man's so hard that he isn't affected?
>>47124340
>>47124400
More Crossbows.
Or
Get a Ballista.
Ballistas are awesome too.
>>47124443
>dakka the enemy
>enemy still alive
>get more dakka
>Using Weapons
Get on my level.
>>47124564
>Ezio
>unarmed
>>47124564
They should shot him with a Crossbow.
>>47124564
>implying Ezio is unarmed there
He's using the shit out of his hidden blades, bro.
>>47124584
True. He wields charm like a weapon.
>>47124586
And he shrugged it off.
>>47124593
It's all throat punches.
>>47124603
This is where the Balista comes into play.
>>47120587
Reminder that weaboo curve < superior white man sword
>>47124564
>Ezio
>not using the knives hidden at his wrists
Get on MY fucking level
>>47124652
Why can't we have more Chinese swords like Jians or that Indian Sword-Whip thing?
>>47124651
>Ballista
>On a small fast moving target
Look at this tactical genius.
>>47124682
>that Indian Sword-Whip thing?
If you can't even name the damn thing, I think you just answered your own question.
>>47124686
You just need more Ballistas.
>>47124694
I think it's called an Urumi. I could never remember that name.
>>47120985
Player: I fire my +5 universe of demon slaying
DM: Okay, roll to hit. Wait you fire what!
>>47124686
>implying the solution isn't always more dakka
>>47124682
>>47124713
The Urumi isn't an actual weapon. It's a training tool and a status symbol if you know how to use it.
Source: My Dad. He trained with an Urumi for a while. He's got some nasty scars on his legs from when he messed up.
>>47124723
>I fire my Bramastra!
>I also fire my Bramastra!
>The Sage you were talking to leaps into the air, catches both of them, and then calls you both retards for almost destroying the universe.
>>47124777
So aside from Hindu stories, how many other legendary bows are there? I remember Sir Tristan having Fail-Not.
>>47124711
>>47124725
>Maneuvering multiple ballista into place to shoot at one guy
You guys are retarded. You just need multiple crossbows or rifles. That's literally how Ezio has been taken down.
>>47124832
>Fail-Not
That is a terribly uninspired name. And in Hindu Mythology, the bows usually go by "Bow of So-And-So" or something equivalent.
>>47124832
>Bow of Hou Yi
Aaaand that's all I can really think of. Bows really don't get a lot of love.
>>47124844
>not wanting to dakka your enemy
Yer missin' some proppa Orkly values.
>>47124844
You just need more Balistas bro.
Ballistas are freaking awesome!
>>47124922
I'll take that as a compliment.
>>47124950
pff... enjoy your lameass ballistafree life.
>>47124832
Well, I went and looked it up and there's a few that are just "Blank's" Bow, and most of the named ones are from Hindu Mythology.
There's this though:
>Ichaival, a bow possessed by Odin. Another source said it was came from Ydalir, the home of the god Ullr. It possessed the power of each pull of just one arrow will release ten arrows.
Which strikes me as incredibly weak because Heroes in the Mahabharatha were doing that with spells.
>>47124864
It's a pretty decent name imo.
It's effective and to the point.
>>47125029
>Ichaival, a bow possessed by Odin. Another source said it was came from Ydalir, the home of the god Ullr. It possessed the power of Danmaku
>>47125072
Its property was that any shot fired won't miss. Also some versions can have your spawn arrows with thought. Sir Tristan & Sir Gawain, in some stories, used it well. I can't remember which one Gawain used it in though.
>>47125072
I get that but it strikes me as something whoever was telling the story just came up on the spot.
>"And Sir Tristan's bow would never fail to hit its target."
>"What was its name?"
"Name? Er, uh, it's name was Fail... Not. Fail-Not, the bow that never Fails."
>>47120587
(1/2)
Polearms aren't actually that effective in single combat, assuming both constants actually know what they're doing. Polearm formations are very strong because they can make many ranks of soldiers effective, compared to swords which can only make the front two ranks useful at any time.
When it's just one person with a sword and one with a spear, the sword has a distinct advantage. Spears can really only thrust; the length of the blade is short enough that half a step forward or back is all it takes to avoid being cut. It's also difficult to parry from a guard position that would allow for a slash: you're forced to block between your hands, which is one of the few times it's reasonably possible to break a spear with a sword, it lets your opponent get close enough to make the length of your spear work against you, it opens up your hands to an attack, and it prevents you from presenting a threat. Hell, just look at any period manual: the spear sections deal exclusively with winding and thrusting. In short, if you're using a spear, you're thrusting with it.
Now, where's the problem with that? The point beats the edge, right? There's plenty of evidence, from Wisby for example, that the vast majority of killing blows were from thrusts. Well, the problem is exactly that: thrusts are how you kill people. All that other shit on a sword, edges, guards pommels, etc, exist so that you can stab the other guy. If you do actually manage to cut someone, it's probably going to be a nonfatal wound to the arm, hand, or thigh, which causes him to drop his weapon and get stabbed. Now, here's my point (no pun intended): if it's as simple as stab someone, he dies, the end, why did swords ever develop? They don't stab any better than spears do. Why did fencing ever develop? If it was a simple task to stab someone, fights would be over before skill ever came into it.
>>47125303
(2/2) holy shit I can't believe this ended up so long
The answer is that it's actually really easy to parry a thrust. And not just easy, it's reflexive. You can stick a sword in the hand of a 40 year old soccer mom without so much as telling her which side to hold and then thrust at her and she'll parry that thrust nine times out of ten. For every weapon with a point, there's an entire martial art devoted to figuring out how to get that point into a person.
So, how does this translate into sword on spear single combat? Simple. The spear has the advantage of reach, but only for as long as you can keep the guy with the sword the hell away from you. As soon as you have to choke up on the spear, you're just fencing with a sword that has no guard and a blade roughly the length of your cock. You're at a massive disadvantage. Your only real chance is if you can stab him before he gets close, but that's difficult because he can move forward faster than you can move back, and because he can parry most of your thrusts, and the first time you let him deflect your point off target he will close in and then you're probably boned.
Now, obviously there are far more variables in any fight than just what weapons each person is using. If a guy with a spear is dueling a guy with a sword, there's no reason to expect the guy with the sword will win. There's not even reason to believe that the guy with the sword is more likely to win. But if you find yourself in a sword v spear duel and you're offered first choice, you're better off taking the sword.
>>47120933
>Does the dimension also have a staggering quantity of prickishness?
I'm pretty sure it has weaponized smug
Swordspear
>>47125531
What about halfswording?
>>47120587
It's not all about combat effectiveness in a vacuum. Polearms are shit to carry around when doing day to day stuff. If you're travelling you need somewhere to stow it, no one is going to let you into the bar with it and it most definitely gets caught on stuff when your in town.
A sword has the best reach for something that can unobtrusively be kept at your side. It's the best weapon for a lone errant hero since if he needs to scale a cliff or meet with the king he just has to put it in it's sheath.
A polearm will be hella handy if there is someone to carry it for you but if your smart you'll have a sword at your side as well.
This is probably the source of the "magical/noble sword" thing: if your going to have a demon slaying artefact or symbol to the masses it might as well be something you can have on you at all times.
>tl;dr- A weapon's usefulness is based on environment and accessibility as well as combat ability.polearm fags a shitsword fags also a shit but not nearly as prevalent
>>47125617
that would be quarterswording
>>47124652
He's trying to chop with a slicing edge...
I wanna believe you're serious just cause it's funnier how little you would need to know about physics to say this is proof of quality of a sword.
I don't care about what type of blade is the best because if I'm not using a dagger or a handgun I'm outtie 5k, m8.
>>47125303
>Polearms aren't actually that effective in single combat
This is what the realisticweapons fags don't understand - combat in an RPG is not a battle in formation.
>>47125930
Pikes were actually quite effective dueling weapons in melees.
>>47126144
Sure, in the sense that you can kill anyone with anything. But in one-on-one combat, a pike or halberd has all the same problems as a spear while being heavier and having worse balance. Polearms are most effective on battlefield, where the reach means that any given weapon can threaten dozens of combatants, and any given combatant is constantly threatened by more weapons than he can keep track of.
>>47125684
>A sword has the best reach for something that can unobtrusively be kept at your side. It's the best weapon for a lone errant hero since if he needs to scale a cliff or meet with the king he just has to put it in it's sheath
This is a good point. Swords and knives are the only weapons you can keep sheathed and still draw at a moment's notice. You can probably make a case for spears and staves as travelers' weapons, but axes and swords too long for a side scabbard are terrible choices for extended questing.
>>47120587
>Using a sword as a primary weapon
Swords are sidearms. The advantage is that you can carry them anywhere. If you're walking about town, no one is going to stop you and ask why you have a sword. Every man has a sword.
When people started to write romantic portrayals of warriors, they used their contemporary gentlemen as examples. These men carried around swords and took dueling to an artform, so it became heroic. It happened in Europe and it happened in Japan. Real knights carried lances and real samurai carried bows. It was only the emanciated "Knights" and "Samurai" who were left after they became relics which only carried swords.
>>47126356
The image of a knight in my head carried a gun though.
>>47126356
>Spartan chivalrous samurai, wat do?
I'm personally more annoyed by the heavily armored, plate-wearing knight carrying an enormous shield. With armor like that, do you need a shield unless it's a joust or something?
>>47126458
Try not to get shot.
>>47126489
Samurai had guns.
I could into the shootings
>>47126509
Funny how so little depict Samurai or Knights with guns in their hands. Warhammer & Total War actually have some semblance of that. I wonder how Total War: Warhammer would end up.
>>47126590
>Funny how so little depict Samurai or Knights with guns in their hands.
>>47126489
literally
>>47126613
Thanks for the two (You)s. I'm talking about pop culture.
>>47126650
>>47126590
>>47126489
literally
>>47126590
I'd imagine it's because in both cultures those come from, guns aren't seen as very romantic or chivalrous ways to kill your enemy. A lot of the public perception for both feudal warrior classes came from writers during their time or immediately after their time deciding that these people needed to be shown in the best light possible, and changing their works to reflect that.
Same reason why we have so many instances of samurai vs. ninja, when oftentimes samurai WERE part-time ninjas
>>47126673
>ninjas
Were they spies or lower-class people fed up with their rulers? They sure as heck didn't dress like stage people.
>>47120587
>W-We're heroic weapons too
Keep crying halberdfag
>>47120587
Reminder to weebs that European blades were outlawed because they killed too many samurai with them.
>>47126692
sometimes both, considering that many often all that was needed was to jump at someone important with a sword when he least expected it, but a good amount of the time it was people already in the envoy of some leader being told to do it, or someone being paid
another reason why japan always paints ninjas as the evil side, because payment was a motivation instead of the traditional depiction of "muh honor and fealty" when samurai were pretty much as greedy with their fifes as knights were
>>47126356
>Real knights carried lances and real samurai carried bows
Real knights and samurai carried whatever was most useful to the situation. Sometimes they served on foot, sometimes they had to travel. German knights, for example, where known to be excellent on foot. Plenty of samurai where known to specialize in weapons other than the bow. Of course like a lot of professional warriors they would have been trained extensively in how to fight with a sword (as well as many other weapons) and would often carry them as well.
I'm sure you know that but your phrasing sounds really fucked up and general as hell.
>>47120934
This pleb is coming at it from the wrong angle: he was already obsolete when the border was sealed sone two-hundred years ago.
Meet the reason why the youkai and other monsters started vanishing from the outside world en-masse cira the early 20th century.
>>47121279
And she lost. Terribly. So much, that she's not seen in the games anymore.
>>47126356
There's a reason swords evolved independently dozens of times. They're incredibly versatile weapons. If you're a European knight and you're unhorsed and surrounded by enemies, the first thing you do is drop your lance or mace or axe and draw your sword. Second thing you do isremove your helm.
>>47125323
But parrying a thrust is not bloody easy.
Especially when the other person can keep on stabbing you in any place from head to foot.
Stabbing against an enemy with a weapon of equal length is certainly tough and dangerous, and that's why those martial arts get so complex; they're assuming another skilled combatant with an identical weapon. A length advantage lets you thrust at more targets in quicker succession due to the geometry of the weapon and less fear of reprisal.
>>47121205
Wanna learn?
>>47126509
By the end of samurai era, one faction had Gattling gun (bought from America) even.
>>47120688
>*chucks spear*
Didn't Shaka teach you faggots better or something?
>>47122031
Good for sniping, because you can keep them drawn without suffering fatigue
>>47120587
>Walfas OCs
Are you 12?
A musket is the superior weapon.
Motherfucker over there? Shoot him. Motherfucker over here? Stab him with the goddamn sword stuck to to the end of your gun.
Motherfucker way too close? Bust his jaw with the big hunk of wood on your gun, then stab him.
Reminder that there's never been a magic halberd in mythology or popular fantasy.
>>47130187
What about The Wave from Baldur's Gate 2
>>47121059
Reminder that Mjolnir was mismade.
Thor is just that good he made it work for him.
I heard a school of thought once that the purpose of using a hammer with a haft so short you could only use one hand to wield was because Thor was mocking everyone. He's basically telling everyone that he is so good at fighting then he'll intentionally use a shit weapon as a handicap.
Another was that the hammer was an artefact left over from a prior blacksmith or carpenter god that either evolved into, or was supplanted by, Thor.
>>47121204
Most Odachi were made so sword smiths could show off how good they were.
They had limited use in a battlefield, countering cavalry whilst on foot being the primary purpose, and Yari fulfilled this role much better.
Best thing about RPGs is they rarely take things like that into account and so once when I played a character from Not-Japan, their Odachi saw a lot of use throughout the campaign.
>>47124652
Isn't it great that your sword isn't your HP then, that that you used swords to instead slice nice squishy things open that were your HP.
>>47124564
>group attacks one man
>they take turns attacking him one at a time
>medieval soldier telling all heroes used sword
Wait on medieval era, they already had the meme sword hero histories?
>>47130187
Halberds have never needed to be magic in order to compete with other weapons.
>>47130187
lol what is gungnir
lol what is amenonuhoko
lol what is gáe bulg
lol what is rhongomyniad
lol what is tonbokiri
>>47120587
I've never heard of any hero who used a halberd. Even my "halberdiers" in Fire Emblem use spears.
>>47120701
Prison-yard-range.
>not using a sword
>and a shield
>and a hammer
>and a scourge
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/smite.gamepedia.com/2/2d/Bellona_Kill_JungleBoss_1.ogg
>>47130681
>lol what are spears
>lol what is weebshit
>>47130187
Is a magical guandao close enough?
>>47120587
Yawn.
>>47130187
It's difficult to find someone who specifically used a halberd for the same reason it's difficult to find a mythological hero that used an arquebus - it's a weapon with a short usage life at the start of the Renaissance, and one best used in formations.
>>47130844
So why do autists circlejerk over it so hard?
>>47130888
>why do autists do autistic things?
>>47130505
The haft actually grows bigger when you rub it, though.
And anyway, even Thor needed a bunch of other items to wield it properly. Some gloves, a belt, and maybe a third item, I don't remember.
>>47130505
Mjolnir was messed up thanks to some divine intervention via flies.
Swords were pretty good, and human history will attest to this. There were better weapons, but swords were in use for quite a while
Comparing 1 guy with 1 weapon against another with a different weapon really doesn't tell you much about anything. You have to consider larger statistics and populations
>>47120587
Sanada Yukimura not only wasn't the best samurai, he wasn't even the best SANADA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Masayuki
>>47125323
I used to play ampguard with my friends and whoever had the spear dominated the single combat. Whoever had the sword and shield combo dominated, but single sword parrying wasn't as easy as you're implying. Spears are good at parrying you just don't want someone to get close.
Plus people who didn't know how to parry ended up getting their forearms hit all the time. All it takes to put someone into shock is an inch deep cut into the arm.
>>47124394
Pardon my newness to this argument, but isn't the whole point of knights that they have way more combat experience, years of training, healthy diet allowing bigger, stronger builds and better equipment (armor, horse, etc)?
Seems to me that the halberd just gives the peasant a slight fighting chance against an armored knight. Against a mounted armored knight they'd probably still be dead.
>>47125684
I could be wrong, but from what I recall reading, polearms were considered military weapons. Walking around in public with one would be like walking around in public now with a rifle slung over your shoulder. Unless you're obviously in uniform, people are going to freak out a bit and stare.
Crossbows were also often banned by decree, because nobility feared them due to their ability to puncture armor and ease of use. So any peasant could become an assassin with one.
>>47120587
Good luck carrying your long ass stick around town. Sidearms coexisted with warfare weapons for reason.
>>47120934
Touhou is a dogshit setting fawned over by pedophiles though
>>47130681
Spears,you salty halberdfag
>>47132209
>It gets bigger when I pull on it
>>47133132
>pedophiles
Official artwork aside, there's plenty of older characters characters. Remila & Flandre may be permanently kids but you've got characters like Sakuya, Eirin & Yukari.
>>47133341
The fanbase is heavy on the skeevy pedophiles side despite that.
>>47120587
Why are all polearm-fags such anti-fun contrarians?
>>47133394
>he uses weapon I don't like therefore he is antifun
And your next argument will be "it's fantasy"
Who ever heard of an halberd duel, or any indoor fight with halberds?
>>47133970
I remember a thread where we discussed halberds & CQC.
>>47120851
Fuck huge blonde alien man who yells and screams about a carrot
A sword is a siderarm indeed (is that it?).
This thread is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity.
>>47134049
Any links perhaps?
>>47120587
Reminder to polefags, holding your weapon way at the back like that means you have no leverage to swing or stop me from casually pushing your shit out of my way.
>>47134316
https://desustorage.org/tg/thread/44689807/#44690214
>>47134612
Thank you, m8.
>>47120897
>implying
>>47122403
Slings aren't that easy to use. You need training to aim well.
>>47135564
The thing about slings is that if you want to train a good slinger, you have to start with his grandfather.
>>47132209
Nope. The gloves and belt were given to him at different points independent of the hammer.
Hell, the belt was given to him specifically because his hammer was stolen and even he wasn't going to stroll into a Giant's fortress without a plan, a weapon and magic artefacts.
Anyone could use the hammer, it was just an average magic hammer.
What made it special was because it was Thor's hammer.
>>47125029
With spells? Nah son. they were just doing that with regular bow and arrow, BEFORE they started using the magical bows. ONCE the magical bows popped up, it was basically 'and now my arrows are anti-arrow missiles'.
>tfw modern combat consists of boring sitting in cover waiting to be shot by sniper or blasted by artillery
>tfw kind of want to go back to times were rebelling against corrupt goverment wouldn't end up with being sniped/droned/tanked/bombed and you had some fighting chance
And no, shooting towelheads with AK's doesn't count.
>>47124832
Odysseus had a bow so strong only he could string it.
>>47120587
>like Sanada Yukimura
So spears are for literally whos?
>>47135918
>AK's
I thought they'd be armed with American weapons though.
But people did walk around with pole arms all the time - the quarterstaff was the biggest murder weapon in England for hundreds of years since everyone had one as a "walking stick" for the marshes and knew how to use one.
>>47137731
And baseball bats are the number one murder weapon in England now that guns are banned. It's exactly the same situation.
>>47136005
OP probably just finished watching Sengoku Basara and wanted to name drop
>>47138098
Except everyone had a valid reason to have a staff and swords were never that acceptable to just carry around. Plus in a 1 on 1 range is everything and a sword has significant disadvantage against a staff/spear/polearm. That's not to say it can't win - it's perfectly possible, but you're at a major disadvantage in both weight - a heavy blow from a staff or polearm would have little difficult blowing through guards (though guards certainly are stronger than they look) and distance - a nice one arm thrust done on a backwards step will have a great deal of range and will straight up kill someone if it hits them in the head or smash ribs in the chest. As for parrying, even with lunges, which can get some excellent range, the staff user will know this and keep them out of that range with their faster and longer distance strikes. It's also extroadinarily easy to fient with a polearm - left right and low high so the sword user would be pretty focused on not dying. That said, due to the time it can take to recover after a solidly parried one armed thrust the sword user can abuse this and get in close so the staff user gets fucked.
This is not to say the sword is a poor/inferior weapon - it serves an alternate purpose as easily transportable (if more illegal and more obvious for fighting, and assuming it's a back sword/ side sword rather than a longsword or something), extremely versailte (especially the longsword which was long enough to conceivably if at a disadvantage fight a polearm, be used against unarmoued and armoured opponents, on horse and on foot, etc, etc, and very deadly weapon. But there was a reason the spear was the king of weapons while the longsword was the queen.
>>47120587
swords are for close encounters where wielding a polarm can be ineffective. they are the most versatile weapon, polearms will have an advantage but in single combat they are generaly less mobile unless wielded like a quarterstaff anyway
>>47120587
Reminder to MUH WEEEAAAWIIIISSSSMMM >:(((((( faggots.
Realism makes for boring games and stories. Have a nice day.
>>47138899
meleefags btfo
>>47125029
Indian mythology is like 40k
Take every single number that would make a reasonable story and then add some zeros
>>47125303
>>47125323
>Not using superior halberd to be able to thrust and slash at will with good weight behind it
>Using a peasant spear that can't even catch an enemies leg to force them to the ground
Also, fencing was developed so faggots like me would have a pastime. No one used fencing in warfare because the techniques in fencing come from its different swords, all of which are not actual swords that would be used in warfare, but non-lethal variation to again, allow strictly regulated competition, instead of killing.
And parrying isn't as easy as you make it sound. A quick forwards step +feint into a lung can fuck you over if you don't know what you're doing/ what to look for. So appropriately, that soccer mom would flail around not knowing what to do and get stabbed to death by spearbro (and the swordguy would be next).
>>47135918
Civil war is a super retarded strategy to be honest. Whenever you think "hey, we should plunge America into a civil war," go look at how that worked out for Syria. Or for America.
I throw big rocks from uphill.
I never leave the hill either.
>>47139865
"Fencing" was a much broader term 500 years ago than it is now. Fencing could be done with military swords like the longsword, the zweihander, the saber, etc. It just referred to a system of fighting with a sword.
>>47139897
>or for America
Three hundred thousand Yankees are stiff in Southern dust,
We got three hundred thousand before the conquered us,
They died of Southern fever, of Southern steel and shot,
I wish we'd got three million instead of what we got.
>>47135918
I'm sure the guys in charge of all those weapons are just gonna gladly turn them against their friends and family because the government told them to.
>>47135918
Rebelling against the corrupt government almost always failed and got the rebels butchered, unless we're talking a rebellion with significant backing from entrenched elites.
>>47139865
>No one used fencing in warfare because the techniques in fencing come from its different swords, all of which are not actual swords that would be used in warfare, but non-lethal variation to again, allow strictly regulated competition, instead of killing.
You're a retard.
>>47140213
>Can't refute argument, so he calls me a retard.
Anon, if you look up your family tree, I'm sure you'd see something similar to a ladder.
>>>47140042
Fencing was a nobleman's bullshit when it was made some 500 years ago, not a combat technique. And the weapons they were using I wouldn't want to actually fight someone with, because the other person would have a set of fullplate that I likely couldn't dint and a 2-hander that'd fuck me up, if not at the least break a bone in a single bow. Again, fencing was a sport/competition from the get-go, and the techniques they made (and developed) are so it's easy to track who gets the point without killing the other guy.
I'm sure it was a broader term, it actually definitely was, yet at the beginning they wouldn't use battlefield weapons for it. And the modern standardized swords are based on things like back swords or rapiers, which I admit at their respective times (16th-17th century) could possibly kill since people weren't decked out in fullplate like they used to be, but you aren't going to use a fencing stance and abide by fencing movements when actually fighting for your life. If someone tried to "fence" someone else who was say using a longsword in a battle, the other guy would be good to lock-guards with the "fencer", and proceed to force him to he ground to strangle him, where as he'd likely know hand to hand combat since that was also taught with longswording, while the fencer wouldn't, because he learned a gentlemens sport, not how to fight battles.
>>47140482
>similar to a ladder
>implying only sibling incest
>>47120693
Samurai are cool, just over-rated.
>>47120807
>just now noticed the sound effect
This is a true piece of art.
>>47140482
>Again, fencing was a sport/competition from the get-go, and the techniques they made (and developed) are so it's easy to track who gets the point without killing the other guy.
Reminds me of most (competetive) "Martial Arts", which are usually utter bullshit in "self defense/combat" situations too.
>>47120587
>knowing samurai by name
>obvious special snowflake weeb
>Grapple the fuck out of character. Enjoying your fucking halberd now?
>>47144338
grappling requires getting within arm's reach, anon
>>47138899
eat shit
archers make great heroes
>>47124874
Bows nothing, what about the firearm? We need more magical / legendary firearms.
