What system would you run a WW1 game on? Recent media has made me look at the era.
I'd set it in 40k, because playing actual ww1 would be pretty boring. All you do is sit in your trench and then maybe you die or you don't. In 40k you can use our ww1 regiment (famous example Krieg) and let some crazy stuff happen, so that the players can actually do something. You can add some demons for trench horror or just let them fight other humans, also you have all kinds of warmachines and stuff.
>>47119926
Only war
>>47120019
>I'd set it in 40k, because playing actual ww1 would be pretty boring. All you do is sit in your trench and then maybe you die or you don't.
it's safe to say the DM would embellish the situation and make sure the players are always being thrown into exciting situations.
ITT: idiots perpetuating the inaccurate popular conceptions of trench warfare
>>47119926
Ops and Tactics
>>47120350
<sarcasm>No urban battles ever happened in WW1. It was all trenches all the time. No possible way to make it interesting. There's a reason hollywood avoids it like the plague.</sarcasm>
>>47120019
Trench Warfare happened only on the western front in France. You could have sweeping battles of maneuver in the east, duels in the air, battles in the Middle East, commando operations anywhere.
Even then, trench warfare was hardly static. Raids and patrols occurred nightly even if no major offensives were going on. Wars are generally full of lots of moments of doing very little - the difference in WWII is that you might just be marching around or sitting in a truck traveling, but it all depends on the GM as to how frequent or what use these are put to.
Call of Cthulhu.
Or, better, a more generic system like GURPS, make it seem like a standard gritty war RPG, then the fighting wakes up something what wasn't meant to be woken up. Pic related if we're talking France.
Though you might be wary of springing shit like that on your players if they think you're just doing world war 1.
>>47119926
If you're at least somehow familiar with apocalypse games, this.
>>47119926
Those fuckers have managed to make me actually excited for one of their games. I don't care about modern wars, and I don't care about propaganda laden WW2 shlock, give me blimps and gas masks any day.
>>47120647
WW1 is the steanpunkiest war. You had tanks, warplanes and big Zeppelins for the first time, a massive meat grinder of a war between various imperialist powers, and all that cool shit.
>>47119926
Fuck whatever the fuck you were fucking talking about.
Here's something better- was there ever a historical account of a zepplin boarding action in WWI?
>>47119926GURPS
If you provided a preferred front it would probably help.
>>47120730
>warplanes
>shoddy pursuit aircraft that struggled to exceed 200 km/h
Airplanes didn't get fun until the Zveno project.
>>47119926
Why the fuck do all collector's editions come with statues now?
>>47121638
Because people pay for them?
>>47121638
The more interesting question is why do they already have collector's edition photos RIGHT AFTER the game was announced. We don't even know who the main character even is.
>>47121656
We know he's black, which is enough to make some people buy it, I guess. Not even hating, though, the war from the perspective of the African colonies would be neat.
>>47120019
WWI was waaay more than just "Trenches & Desperation", dude.
For example, the African and Middle Eastern theaters, not to mention the air war.
>>47120350
>>47120426
At least with Battlefield there's evidence we could see other theaters of the war. I'd love to gad about with Ned Lawrence or the Anzacs at Beersheba.
>>47120019
>All you do is sit in your trench and then maybe you die or you don't.
>laughing canadians and australians.jpg
WW1 was all over the place. It's an incredibly interesting war to learn about.
>>47121901
To be fair doing some parts of WW1 accurately would be pretty unfair, especially if you made your players sailors going against a U-Boat. TPKs all around.
>>47121948
Put them in the U-boat and go full Das Boot on them.
>>47121948
You could say the same about any war. I wouldn't want to fly a LaGG-3 against Bf 109 G-6s or charge naked against the Romans.
>>47119926
>Recent media
What recent media?
>>47121982
See, creative thinking, this man is Good GM.
>>47120019
This man has no imagination, he is Bad GM.
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
>>47122002
Did you consider looking at OP's picture? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7nRTF2SowQ
>>47121982
Das Boot was WW2, in WW1 U-Boats were pretty much just instant death for ships until they invented depth charges. I remember even reading a diary written by a WW1 U-Boat captain and he was constantly boasting about his hundreds of confirmed kills and how swole his muscles were as he did push-ups whenever the U-Boat surfaced.
>>47120426
>implying Paths of Glory and All Quiet aren't GOAT war films
>>47121656
3 character perspectives
>>47121901
Not him, but what use do even the non-trenchy parts of the war have to TTRPG gameplay? Unless you're playing some WW1 wargame, which would be fucking awesome, there are no options. It's a modern war with modern weaponry, three to six murderhobos aren't going to make a difference. Not unless they're Frenchmen using the Sainte Chapelle's fragment of the True Cross combined with Charlemagne's sword to fight against Kaiser Wilhelm's battlemech that's powered by the tears of Poles.
>>47122121
Not everything has to be the main battle. You can do midnight raids to grab prisoners of war for trade and intel, you can try to assassinate local enemy leaders, you can try to sneak past the front lines to blow up a bridge or sabotage their artillery...
>>47119926
Wait. Is this going to be a thing? Tell me this is going to be a thing.
I need:
>A Springfield
>Colt New Action
>Browning Auto-5
>37mm mle 1916 TRP
>Other cool guns of WWI
>>47122257
True, but that has no overarching story. The missions get repetitive: assassinate this officer, blow up that bridge, steal this document, sabotage that piece of artillery etc. There's no big bad either, and even if you implement a big bad he's a guy with a crippled arm and an inferiority complex, not some badass wizard lich dude whom you square off against in a battle worthy of song.
If someone can turn a modern historical setting into an actual fun and exciting campaign, I'd love to see that. This person must have a lot more imagination than me, because I can't imagine it without invoking the supernatural one way or another.
>>47122290
Tovarisch, you'll get your moist nugget and nothing else, and you'll like it.
>>47122314
>There's no big bad either, and even if you implement a big bad he's a guy with a crippled arm and an inferiority complex, not some badass wizard lich dude whom you square off against in a battle worthy of song.
Or you come up with a PERSONAL major enemy. Someone the player characters have some deeply personal reason to want to kill.
>>47120599
What is the die for this?
>>47121821
The African theatre would be so good.
>>47122314
You actually have no imagination, don't
you?
>>47122290
I just want a Mannlicher-Schonauer Carbine.
>dem pencil bullets
>dat set trigger
>dat buttery smooth action
>dat stock that goes aaaaaaall the way up
>>47122549
I don't senpai
>>47122314
What makes the lich more evil than the man who unleashes mustard gas on a village of innocents? What makes killing him more heroic than capturing him alive to stand trial?
>>47122644
>What makes the lich more evil than the man who unleashes mustard gas on a village of innocents?
That's a good point
>What makes killing him more heroic than capturing him alive to stand trial?
Neither is heroic because once again, it's a guy with a crippled arm and not some skeleton who is above the laws of reality. There is no satisfying final confrontation where the full power of the party is needed.
>>47122314
>There's no big bad either, and even if you implement a big bad he's a guy with a crippled arm and an inferiority complex, not some badass wizard lich dude whom you square off against in a battle worthy of song.
Sounds like you just need to learn to write fun villains instead of using wizardry as a crutch. Pic related. Different world war, but still a good example of how to be an evil son of a bitch.
>>47122695
Why is the Kaiser the BBEG and not this dapper motherfucker or some other general? You could even be playing from the other side, in which case you'd be fighting to defend the cripple who only wanted to bring a bunch of dirty Serbs to justice.
>>47122826
>fighting against the Serbs
>preserving kebab
>>47122290
>guns with actual names instead of letter-number nonsense
dear god take me, i'm ready
>>47120469
>battles in the Middle East
Yeah, the Middle East didn't really get the memo on WW1, the Guhrka's were pretty much in Baghdad snorting coke and generally getting completely halal by christmas as advertised whilst the rest of the British empire found itself waist deep in mud and bad poetry.
>>47122890
Admit it, anon, the M3 is the greatest military asset of all time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3#Military :^)
>>47121901
>WWI was waaay more than just "Trenches & Desperation", dude.
This was the general feeling of the war and doctrine of the time. Meaningless meatgrinder of thousands men thrown unto anvil of useless carnage. Dying on barbed wire, gas attacks, machine guns sweeping the ranks, hours upon hours of artillery fire. You'd know that if you read any books about WWI.
Of course, you can make fast paced shooter with quick time events in the trenches, stupid spec ops and other overused crap. This won't be a game about WWI.
>>47119926
I think you should try D6 adventure.It even comes with a wounds system if you don't want to use HP
The Creatures book also comes with stats for WW1 soldiers and civilians
>>47122058
Now I'm imagining a giant muscular dude glistening with oil doing pushups in a Nazi uniform, shirtless except for his coat, which is draped over his shoulders doing pushups in the midst of battle as their U-boat destroys ships.
>>47123028
>Now I'm imagining a giant muscular dude glistening with oil doing pushups in a Nazi uniform
![[Coalgirls]_Bakemonogatari_04_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[0BDD96F3].mkv_snapshot_05.03_[2015.10.02_04.53.16].png](https://i.imgur.com/MtNxaJL.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Bakemonogatari_04_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[0BDD96F3].mkv_snapshot_05.03_[2015.10.02_04.53.16].png")
>>47123028
>WWI
>Nazi uniform
I was excited for this, but then I watched the trailer and stopped caring and am now sad.
>>47122956
>This was the general feeling of the war and doctrine of the time. Meaningless meatgrinder of thousands men thrown unto anvil of useless carnage. Dying on barbed wire, gas attacks, machine guns sweeping the ranks, hours upon hours of artillery fire. You'd know that if you read any books about WWI.
So.
Much.
Bullshit.
This is one of those "common knowledge" cases where the thing everybody "knows" is complete bullshit.
What you have described applies to a small handful of specific battles on one front of the war, and even then is WILDLY inaccurate about HOW trench warfare worked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z3kgjxs
>>47122956
>You'd know that if you read any books about WWI.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25776836
W E W
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>>47123028
>Nazi uniform
>>47123065
I'm sorry, but the Nazi uniform has pervaded my knowledge of the german military and is squarely in the top three sexiest articles of clothing that can be worn so I won't apologize for my chronological errors.
>>47120019
>WW1 was trench warfare only
North Africa says hi. The best WW1 game would be about fucking around with Lawrence of Arabia and friends, sabotaging armored trains and raiding behind Ottoman lines, ideally with a dash of The Mummy.
>>47120019
>actual WWI was boring
Are you retarded or just shitposting?
>>47119926
Wait why is their new game called Battlefield 1. That makes no sense. Also homebrewed Only War.
>>47119926
WTF? Why is this everywhere? I go on /pol/ it's there, I go on to /his/ it's fucking there. I thought I was safe on /tg/, but it seems that's not the case either.
>>47123143
>ideally with a dash of The Mummy
I can't wait to bayonet charge the Rock.
>>47123247
Butthurt about a black guy.
>>47123247
You're on idiot for thinking /tg/ wouldn't get a huge boner for something that's WW1 and not "hur dur trenches n' shit"
We all know the new game is going to be shit, but at the very least we'll get some pretty pictures to use in our WW1 games.
>>47123225
Personally I wish they'd one with a year in the title, but I do understand the logic of "1" for World War One.
>>47123225
When something leaps into the public eye people want to know things so they can sound smart without actually doing any research.
>>47122044
>the music is unfitting for the time period
>the 5th (technically 8th or 9th) game in the series is called "battlefield 1"
other than that it looks fairly interesting but i haven't been really impressed with battlefield since the bad company games
>>47123387
>>the 5th (technically 8th or 9th) game in the series is called "battlefield 1"
It's World War 1, dingus. Putting 1 in the name makes perfect sense.
>>47123429
Should be Batlefield: 1914/5/6/7/8 depending on the region and scope.
>>47123429
it makes about as much sense as calling the 4th movie in a series by the original title when it's not a reboot
>>47123091
>>47123108
>bbc
Dropped. If future generations will read bbcuck articles on current events their heads will be full of shit just like yours.
>>47122457
2d6
>>47123387
>the music is unfitting for the time period
Hopefully the actual game will bring back the classic bf1942 theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0Tmydj29M
>>47121458
>he is dissing the Red Baron and Immelmann to boot
Fuggoff matey
>>47123924
when will you airchavs ever learn that the only people who enjoy your company are other airchavs
just go back to war thunder and play amongst your own kind forever
>>47123924
>naive aerial jousting
>worth reverence
Naw.
>>47123940
Aylemayo feels bad to get mown down on the ground doesnt it
>>47123948
memes
>>47123964
If https://books.google.com/books?id=4CeZg3_DxxUC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=ISBN+1-84176-997-5&source=bl&ots=zAPBaoF9Ta&sig=AUVqJQUa86ih19ZNH9XnH9DxMn8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl3qGx7cbMAhUKqh4KHaH6CjUQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=you%20are%20my%20prisoner&f=false sounds like anything but top fucking naivety to you then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
>>47124037
Sounds like someone could afford to treat their opponents with respect like proper noblemen deserve and this commoner pleb takes offense to his betters treating each other like- well, his betters. Learn your place, servant.
>>47119926
I would recommend running it in one of the 40k RPG systems (prolly Only War or Dark Heresy). While monotony is inherent to Trench Warfare, not all aspects of it are that way. In WWI there were lots of small-unit expeditions into no-mans land for a wide variety of reasons, and things like trench-raids, sniper warfare, and sapper-battles were common enough to base at least part of a campaign around those aspects.
>>47124104
>devolving back to "everything is a trench"
>not reading the replies to the last guy who made this comment
>>47124078
Ponces like you are why Chennault left for China.
>>47124037
Immelmann
What a fucking boss. Were we still in an era where it were possible to be mission killed in an airframe and put it down just any old place, I guarantee you we'd still have fighter jocks that would park nearby, hop out, and shout, "OWNED, MOTHERFUCKER! Get in the penalty box!"
>>47123057
Stroheim makes people uncomfortable in that most didn't they could ever like a Nazi so much.
>>47120019
>>47122956
>trench warfare
>boring
trench warfare is probably some of the most intense kind of fighting you can do. All the fun close-quarter fighting of urban warfare without any need to hold back because of civilians/infrastructure. It's a myth that one side got out of their trench and then were just mowed down by machine guns before they could get near the enemy. Most attacks penetrated the first few lines of trenches - clearing them often devolved into hand to hand fighting. Then the attack would get bogged down and lose momentum, at which point the enemy would counter-attack. Sometimes the attackers held their gains, sometimes they were forced to retreat tench by trench until they could make a run for their own lines.
Bloody, yes. Boring, no.
And if you're going to say 'but most of the time they were just sitting in their trenches not doing anything', firstly, that's not true since raiding the opposite trench was a common activity, and secondly that's what most warfare is about anyway.
>>47121821
>>47122462
except they'll never show the non-European theatre because it's all brown soldiers being led around by white officers.
>>47124556
>tfw WWII in Ethiopia game with brown soldiers being led around by brown officers never
>>47124556
>that's not true since raiding the opposite trench was a common activity
While it's true you forgot other important part. It was essentially futile. All gains could be easily lost. It was back and forth which very soon became pointless.
WWI provides many scenarios for FPS but tone of the game would be very different.
>>47121821
Well, they've hinted a little bit at doing multiple narratives in the campaign.
Could be he's in the 369th Infantry.
>>47124684
I doubt they'll get any further south than the Ottoman Empire, though.
>>47124684
From what I've heard the dude on the cover is actually an American, this being Battlefield and all, which hints that we'll might not see much of Africa.
>>47124681
>It was essentially futile.
Firstly, since when did first person shooters care about the larger strategic outlook? The modern wars in the middle east have been completely futile so far and that hasn't stopped any game companies using middle eastern settings. Secondly, in what sense was it futile? Battles were won and lost, same as in any other war.
Fingers crossed for the opportunity to operate with CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien at the Somme.
>>47124784
>is actually an American
As were the 369th Infantry.
All black unit in the US army with a quite impressive war record.
>>47124972
Well shit, I probably should have looked that up until I be stupid.
>>47124972
>inb4 it ends up being worse than Red Tails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK4cKzI3-ZY
>>47120469
>duels in the air
Fucking hell now I want to find or make a system for doing WW1 era air battles...
>>47120481
Seconding Call of Cthulhu, I love the system and if you need a good character sheet you could run them off of Roll20 (I know, not desirable but I enjoy having mine online). Plenty of good resources too, and the system itself is good to limit because there is no leveling. I think this makes the chance of you dying and the difficulty match well for WWI.
Also seconding GURPS, it appears me and this anon have the same ideas. Overall it is a pretty okay system.
>>47119926
GURPS. It's actually got rules for this specifically.
>>47125534
GURPS has rules for everything, recommending GURPS alone is completely pointless, always recommend what GURPS book(s) to use.
>>47124556
They show Arabia in the trailer with a cavalry charge. That's something.
>>47119926
Depends on what kind of ww1 game you want. For cursing the red baron I'd probably use The Few and mod it for planes, wouldn't take that much work at all. For military drama with dogfaces I'd use The Regiment or if I can convince people to play with little mens The Five Core skirmish system from Nordic Weasle, its great for 5-10 man engagements with some tactical and some rpg elements that I think could work well. They have a separate older game for ww1 called Trench Storm, haven't tried it. For being a bunch of out-of-touch generals, officers and highbloods sending thousands off to die while trying to gain political leverage I'd use Kingdom.
>>47125625
GURPS basic set
High tech for guns
various splats for genre meshing(Horror for horror, Zombies for zombies, Supers and Powers for superheroes with powers. etc)
>>47123429
It's also apparently because World War I was the first "modern" war, kind of debatable but I see what they're trying to do
>>47123139
Nazi Uniform best uniform.
Chile's army uses a similar one.
I've got an artillery officer's cap,
I couldn't find any direct references for this outside Australia's War Memorial site so if I'm wrong blame the aussies.Apparently during the early parts of WW1 when planes were entirely for reconnaissance enemy pilots would wave or shake their fists at each other when passing by. There were some instances of dudes pulling out pistols and trying to shoot the other pilot, but their fly by shootings rarely worked and just made them look like huge dickheads to the other pilot.
>>47128705
As far as the pilots were concerned, they were just doing their jobs in the same way that a medic was doing his job: they weren't trying to kill the other dude at that point.
>>47128760
I know, but idea of two pilots carrying information that can lead to massive casualties on either side just waving to each other is hilarious, and it's just another one of the things that makes WW1 so interesting.
>>47128705
>>47128760
>>47128818
I remember reading once that one of the first people to try attacking another aircraft did so by trying to throw bricks at them, and things just escalated from there
>>47128705
>reconnaissance enemy pilots would wave or shake their fists at each other when passing by
That must be awkward.
>>47119926
this might sound crazy, but you could use an actual WW1 system.
>>47120019
>Playing actual WW1 would be pretty boring
confirmed for knowing very little about WW1. Try looking at the eastern front, plenty of maneuver warfare, massive armies swinging backwards and forwards. It wasn't all trenches and waiting, just on the western front after the first year or so.
>>47121458
WW1 was creation of fun airplanes. There were still very powerful and fast aircraft (for the time) Look at the S.E.5 and the Sopwith Camel, very sturdy and powerful aircraft compared to the shitty B.E.2s you're probably thinking of.
Dog-fighting in WW1 was arguably much more intense, as the pilots were out in the elements, flying aircraft with highly individual flight characteristics, much more difficult to fly than aircraft in WW2, making for much more skill needed to succeed in the air.
>>47128705
Fellow airman were seen as "colleagues" in the early part of the war. remember powered flight was a pretty new thing and airmen kind of thought of themselves as pioneers. You wouldn't shoot a fellow pioneer.
Then they realized the enemy aircraft were taking photos, and that if they could prevent that, it would help the war, so this early chivalry passed pretty quickly. They used to use any rifle or pistol they could find (imagine trying to fire an lee-enfield from the observers seat of a B.E.2 - completely hemmed in by wings, a propeller, struts and the fuselage below you. You couldn't swing your rifle 20 degrees without banging into something. Pretty much impossible to hit something zipping by you at high speed, let alone a small target like a mans chest.
The fokker eindecker was really a revelation, introducing the synchronized MG firing through the propeller. This innovation lead to the british calling it the "fokker scourge". The germans were so protective of this technology they wouldn't let the Eindeckers fly over the allied territory for a long time, for fear of shoot-downs
>>47119926
Making a battlefield game about the most brutal, costly and pointless war of the twentieth century (Yes, more people died in WWII, but that war needed to be fought, while WWI was an utterly pointless fiasco) strikes me as insensitive. That would be like making a Battlefield game about the Iraq War.
a nice dogfighting ruleset written by one of the /hwg/ regulars
>>47122826
>Why is the Kaiser the BBEG
Because that side lost. The Kaiser was not a genocidal maniac like Hitler. Hell, Russia was more of a tyranny then Germany, and they were on the allied side.
>>47120019
>I'd set it in 40k, because playing actual ww1 would be pretty boring. All you do is sit in your trench and then maybe you die or you don't.
Spot the man educated by the American public school system
>>47120350
This
>>47120769
No air-to-air boarding but there was at least one occasion when a Zeppelin boarded and captured an Entente ship. I can't for the life of me remember the name though.
For those of you clueless about WW1:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxOb_127vxjaRRC7yu2TJlJX
Great series, detailing what happened week by week in 10 minute chunks. Well worth watching
>>47129849
If anyone seeing people make endless WW2 games that are borderline propaganda is way, WAAAY, more insensitive. WW1 was a war full of crazy shit which makes it an interesting setting, and people coming back from it's general opinion, good or bad, was "man that was some crazy shit".
I'm actually really excited for Savage Worlds' Weird War I setting. There's lots of fucked up horror things you could do with the war as a backdrop.
I think one of the previews even had a gas-based monster. It's just a suit containing gas and maybe the corpse of a victim of it that tries to throttle people, it's shit in a fight, but killing it pierces its outfit. Hope you've got your gas masks ready to hand.
>>47129926
True, but every single bad thing that happened in the twentieth century can be traced back to WW1. Genocide? The Armenian Genocide was the template for the Holocaust? Communism, Facism and Nazism would never have come to power were it not for WW1. WW1 made America into the Global Superpoower it is today, with all the positive and negative consequences of that. Plus, WW1 began the first stirrings of Pan-Arabism which would ultimately lead to the creation of Al Quaeda and Isis.
WW2 saw the end of Nazism. There was a justifiable reason for that war to be fought. There was no reason why WW1 should ever have happened, save Great Power Politics gone wrong.
Whole bunch of WW1 games and osprey reference books full of great info
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
Also here's a fairly in-depth system
The appereance of arabs makes me hopeful we get a campaign or atleast a few maps of the southern alps front in this game
I want my asymmetrical mountain warfare dammit
>>47129955
World War 1 happened and there's not point trying to bury it. If anything it's the least dangerous conflict to make gunwank out of, as all sides in WW1 were so politically different than what they are today. Cold War wank has that creepy McCarthyism vibe running along, WW2 wank demonizes the Germans and Japanese to the point where you no longer see them as actual people, WW1 wank is just war for the sake of war there's really no ideology behind it to make people start to demonize others which in my opinion is much better.
>>47129955
I can't remember who said it, but I think there was this historian who said something among the lines of "To the uninformed man modern history starts with WW2, to the informed man modern history starts with WW1, to the educated man modern history starts with the French Revolution".
>>47130060
That's the great thing about history, how it's an exer expanding rabbit hole. You start to trace the origins of some event, and it goes further and further back and you learn more and more.
It almost makes up for how shitty a Master's Degree in History actually is.
>>47129986
Thanks for the link man appreciated
I ran a few ww1 games before using CoC but the system doesn't support more than a few soldiers fighting simultaneously . technically it's possible but its hard to keep track of all the stars and the turns drag on forever
>>47129955
It was literally Serbia's fault. They wanted a united slavic empire, but weren't willing to be a part of the slavic empire that austria-hungary was making. Thanks to this, they killed Ferdinand and let a shockingly stupid warmonger into unchecked power.
>>47131061
>they
>some terrorist
Ebin meem broseph
>>47131141
Ah yes, because the black hand was a random group of terrorists not connected to Serbia in any way and acted independently to send a cell of assassins after the Archduke. Gavrillo was clearly the only PC in the cell with Fate points left, as an aside. That or he has the luck of the devil.
>>47129821
>all trenches and waiting, just on the western front after the first year or so.
I really wish people would stop saying this.
see: >>47124556
>>47131282
Unlike Archduke Franz Ferdinand, who fate practically ordered to die to his face.
>>47120599
This is great!
>>47120019
>I'd set it in 40k, because playing actual ww1 would be pretty boring.
>WW1 in Russia
>trenches
Is Verdun a good game?
>>47133084
Well, it's a fairly realistic Western Front simulator. Aka, expect to die randomly with zero prewarning and zero chance to avoid it, constantly. Think Dark Souls, except you can't dodgeroll and you can never equip armor.
>>47123429
They could've gone with "Battlefield: The Great War" or something and done a lot better.
>>47124582
>yfw no game about the First Italo-Ethiopian War
>>47130060
BATTLEFIELD 1792 WHEN
>>47133399
You could always just play Napoleonic Warfare.
>play battle, no respawns
>man canon
>blow the fuck out of the enemy
>kill the last enemy with grapeshot as he's just a few meters away
>>47133358
The second one was basically WH40K : War against the Heretics
>>47133399
Mount&Blade has a Napoleonic Mod. Watching people dick around in that one is fucking hilarious.
Well this threads full of shit.
Let me tell you about the time i had a dream i was in ww1 when i was 8. My mum agreed that it could have been a "past life".
yfw you had a dream you were a british soldier who died in a mustard gas attack in ww1.
>>47133448
>Autism Warfare
>>47129955
The Ottomans sort of caused the whole shiggy diggy in the ME when they decided to side with the Central Powers and failed when they had a perfectly good excuse to side with the Allied Powers via America, which could have substituted for Germany's monies in a pinch.
The resulting power vacuum combined with the later insertion of Israel resulted in the glorious situation you see today.
>>47119926
GURPS Basic Set + GURPS High Tech + GURPS Horror + a decent GM who is willing to do some research
If you want to focus more on the horrors of war, Call of Cthullhu.
Hidden Empire isn't exactly WWI, but it is around the same time period and has magic
Scythe isn't a TRPG, but it might be worth looking into (it was also recently released as a Tabletop Simulator DLC)
Sea Battles in Miniature by Paul Hague has an entire chapter full of rules for WWI naval warfare
Blazing Skies' author mentioned making versions for Biplanes, but that was ages ago
/hwg/ has PDFs for land-based WWI wargames, check them out
If you haven't heard of it yet, check out the videogame "Verdun", it is on Steam
If you want some reading, I recommend "Im Westen Nichts Neues" (All Quiet at The Western Front) by Thomas Schneider and
"Poilu: The World War I Notebooks of Corporal Louis Barthas"
(cont.)
>>47119926
>>47134336
If you want to watch something, there is a series of short BBC documentaries released not long along called "WW1 uncut". I watched the Dogfight and Tank episodes, and it was very interesting
And last but not least, there is a Youtube channel called "The Great War", which follows WWI's events week by week, 100 years later https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar there used to be a German and a Polish version, but they ran out of funding for them and decided to keep only the main channel
>>47120469
>There were only trenches on the Western front
Not at all. The other fronts had plenty of Trench fighting. Especially on the Italian and Baltic fronts. Hell, it was a Russian general who came up with the method to beat trenches.
...I do rather hope they actually play up some moral ambiguity with Battlefield 1. I mean, the Triple Entente was by no means the objective good guys in WWI. It's not like WWII where you can easily go 'Yep, Nazis. That's some evil there'
>>47134464
Theres at least 3 theatres in the game, each with their own protagonist, so Id wager they wont all be on the same side./v/'s complete inability to accept Black soldiers in WW1 is both hilarious and disapointing
>>47134570
You'd think /k/ would be beating /v/ over the head about how inclusive bloodshed really is.
>>47119926
So, CoD is cutting and running for space, and Battlefield is doubling down on history? Hmm. Hell, they're picking an era of history before SMGs and decent body armor.
>>47134587
I guess they're smart enough not to waste their time with them.
>>47134464
>>47134570
We know you play as the black guy whose with the hell fighters (a unit the Americans wouldn't let fight alongside their white soldiers or even SUPPLY, they basically just handed them to the French and let them use them)
A Bedouin woman
And the third character is unknown. I'm hoping for a German.
I'm a bit sad that they decided to go for a different version of WWI, basically with steampunk thrown in the lot, which I'm guessing they did that for better gameplay possibilities.
But still, I wanted the French to have some spotlight for once.
>>47129926
>If anyone seeing people make endless WW2 games that are borderline propaganda is way, WAAAY, more insensitive.
the only WW2 game i really liked was the last COD game set in WW2 mainly because of how gritty it was and the whole russian campaign was basically you & your comrades being worse than the nazis in terms of brutality
>>47125204
use x wing as the base. actually just use x wing but make custom pilots and shit it was made from a dogfighting game to begin with
>>47124684
>>47124784
>>47124972
Called it. Pre-order bonus is the "Hellfighter Pack", dude's definitely a Harlem Hellfighter.
>>47134779
>not a russian
>>47119926
If you want to do Western or Italian Front then there's only one answer.
>>47134625
I never thought Battlefield would go there before them.
>>47134625
>>47135593
yeah basically. i kinda think what both are doing is a breath of fresh air from the trend of modern militarily shooters they started.
especially COD since you can pretty much tell as early as the original black ops (maybe WaW) that they don't want to make call of duty games anymore.
>>47135670
>they don't want to make call of duty games anymore.
Well, yeah.
Now they're making Titanfall, and calling it cod.
>>47135714
like i said i like the future direction and at least DICE has mirror's edge & starwars battlefront when was the last time treyarch, neversoft & raven made anything that wasn't call of duty?
also i am 100% certain titanfall was probably the game most of infinity ward wanted to do after MW2 before they all got the axe
>>47133399
Considering FPS shooters are in no way representative of modern infantry tactics, I wonder how much this would change when applied to Napoleonic warfare.
>Play Old Guardsman
>Loadout: musket w/ bayonet, pistol, grenade, saber
>Voltigeur in front of you dies
>Pick up long range rifle
>Get on top of a random horse
>Ride circles around the enemy
>Bunnyhop with your horse
>Pick them off with your rifle
>Because the AI is shit the enemy all try to fire at you, allowing the rest of the army to charge in and crush you
>Cutscene where Napoleon himself awards you the rank of Sergeant Commandar Hussar of sergeant commander of important people imperiale.
>>47134464
>nazis
>evil
>>47134464
Germany is always the bad guy in history. Always. No exceptions. None at all. Try to name an exception and I will prove just how wrong you are.
Even in WW1
>Germany gave Austria-Hungary a carte blanche, escalating a balkan war into a world war
>Attacked France because why the fuck not?
>Invaded neutral Belgium because why the fuck not?
>Rape of Belgium because why the fuck not?
>Encourages the Ottoman Sultan, who is also the Sunni Caliph, to declare a Jihad because WHY THE FUCK NOT?
The eternal German starts war and breeds war.
>>47134625
>>47135670
probably cause they both realized that "modern" warfare has kinda run it's course at this point
>>47134823
seems fairly realistic to me, outside of maybe that zeppelin at the end
>>47134823
>But still, I wanted the French to have some spotlight for once.
>In a game made by Americans
Nah..... nah.
>>47136222
Isn't DICE based in Sweden?
>>47136222
the modern warfare trilogy wouldn't stop sucking british cock and those were made by americans
also DICE isn't american
>>47122900
Yeah, that whole 'Battle of Megiddo' thing? Jerusalem under siege? Entire career of T.E. Lawrence and Lord Allenby? A hallucination. Never happened. The Turkish armies got through World War 1 without firing a single shot, which is why the Ottoman Empire exists to this day.
>>47136300
>the modern warfare trilogy wouldn't stop sucking british cock
It helps that the british aren't french
>also DICE isn't american
My bad, I just assumed EA in general was American. The target audience still is, and I doubt the American audience at large would swallow a(n early) modern shooter with the French as the main heroes. Hell, even the most recent and famous game about the French Resistance needed an Irish protagonist to be palpable.
>>47136371
>I doubt the American audience at large would swallow a(n early) modern shooter with the French as the main heroes
Medal of Honor Underground did perfectly fine and it starred a female French Resistance fighter as the player character.
>>47123540
I know this is boring to hear by this point, but for fuck's sake, /pol/, please fucking go.
>>47125002
>People hate Red Tails.
>Not sure if racism, or just Lucas raped muh childhood.
>>47136431
This shit man. People on /int/, who love to wank about "muh colonial empires", were somehow unaware that WW1 Germany had African colonies and that the war between German Namibia and South Africa was a pretty big deal.
>>47125204
If only there was a game that was a precursor to X-wing that did just that, called Wings of Glory.
>>47136480
Actually, it's because the planes don't behave at all like they should, performing maneuvers that are literally impossible in the craft in question.
>>47129821
>more difficult to fly than aircraft in WW2
>more difficult to fly an Eindecker than a Me 163
You must be baked.
>>47136480
It's because physics is patently disregarded at every possible point. Take that youtube video. Does that mustang look like it's getting hit by 30mm high explosive shells? In scenes were they fight the japs they do complete asspull maneuvers constantly. If you want to tell a story about a group of people at least have the decency to do it well.
>>47136142
>Invaded neutral Belgium because why the fuck not?
Because it was military strategy, dumbass
>>47136944
Don't be mad, my 1/16th Prussian-American friend. I was merely pointing it out as an evil action, invading a neutral country with no intent of intervening in the war in favor of any of the sides.
It was also a pretty retarded strategy
>Invade a neutral country to attack another country with no intent of joining the war
>On the presumption that Britain will ignore both the country it has promised to protect and its most valuable ally
The German strategy on both world wars relied on the British playing nice because the Germans liked the British. Needless to say they were wrong in both instances, because the British aren't fucking retards.
>>47136142
>the entirety of all the nations in WW1 were in a straightjacket of retarded agreements meant to keep everyone occupied
>someone fucks up and the mousetrap machine comes unraveling
>IT WAS THESE SPECIFIC GUYS FAULT
You show your idiocy. Or jewishness and grudges I suppose.
>>47137023
>The July Crisis wasn't specifically about preventing escalation
>The Germans didn't give the Austrians a carte blanche
>The Austrians didn't use this to enforce full retard demands on Serbia that would de facto mean handing over their sovereignity on a silver platter
>The Serbians didn't agree to 9/10 demands
>The Austrians didn't declare war over one of these already outrageous demands not being met
>The Germans did not open up the Western front
>The Germans did not invade a neutral country
>The Germans weren't the first country to wipe their boots with the Geneva Convention
If there was a bad guy in WW1, it was the Germans. Even if you argue no country has total guilt of starting the war, at least admit that the Germans had the greatest role in escalating the war.
In fact, go back to the July Crisis. The Germans made it clear the wanted war sooner rather than later, when the French army was weak and the Russian infrastructure in tatters rather than when the French army was prepared and Russia easily capable of exploiting its wealth in resources.
>>47136480
>Me 262 and 'Stang go in a fucking Headon against one another
>Me 262 has fucking quad 30mm high explosive autocannons centerline in the nose at no convergence
>'Stang has 6 fiddy cal MGs in the wings that need to aim inwards into a specific point of convergence in the distance
>the 'Stang wins the headon and the Me explodes into shrapnel
>THE FUCKING MUSTANG PILOT TAKES A FEW BULLETS BUT LIVES JUST FINE
The 30mm cannons were the ONLY armament that the Me 262 carried in that occasion. How the fuck to you take a high explosive shell the size of a D Monocell battery to the shoulder and aren't left as a mangled pile of mince meat?
>>47137090
And? Carte Blanche means it was still the Austrians fault if anything. Germany just backed them up. The demands weren't outrageous, much harsher demands have been made and followed up on, like 1999 by the NATO with Serbia again, and were obeyed just fine. Just admit that you're looking for someone to blame in a conflict where the blame part is completely pointless.
>>47137289
>Germany just backed them up
You know that "carte blanche" means "unconditional", right? As in, let the Austrians do whatever the fuck they want and we'll never tell them to stop escalating shit?
>The demands weren't outrageous
Which is why the Serbians agreed to most of it, bar one or two clauses. But carte blanche means carte blanche, and demanding unconditional acceptance of every single point means surrendering sovereignity or war.
>Muh NATO
Two wrongs make a right, amirite?
Face it, the Germans were rattling their sabers. They wanted this to escalate as fast as possible.
>>47137002
>British aren't fucking retards
>As we approach the brexit referendum
Perfect timing, 100 years anniversary.
>>47123143
>not whistling Heia Safari
I just realized.
Dice finally released a game featuring a war my direct relative fought in.
>>47137002
They did it again in WW2.
>The German strategy on both world wars relied on the British playing nice because the Germans liked the British.
Germans have a funny habbit of invading people they like.
>>47137666
yeah Germany can be pretty tsundere towards other countries, also nice trips Satan
>>47137666
>Tfw you realize that trying to invade you or trying to have someone invade you means Germany likes you
Are Germans the Sanghelli?
>>47137002
>tfw Gemany, Russia, the UK (and by extension the US) could've been bros4lyfe and divvied up France and the Balkans
>WWII never would've happened
>>47137768
>;_; the world would've been better if the entire planet just let Germany do whatever it wanted without regard for their own interests
>>47137785
>without regard for their own interests
That's why it's "divvied up", not "handed over."
>>47137811
Uh-huh.
>Already militant and incredibly powerful gets a huge section of France, the only possible counterbalance to its power on the continent
I'm sure everything would think this is just fine
>Pan-Slavist Russia handing over any further parts of the Balkans to Austria
Yeah, because the Russians suddenly stop being pan-Slavist and wanting to unite with even the Slavs under Austrian rule.
Literally the only possible good end for Germans by the 1910s is if the entire world starts acting as retarded as the Germans.
>>47136181
What's unrealistic about the zeppelin? Prior to incendiary ammunition zeppelins were fucking untouchable.
>>47138112
You're joking, right?
>Early offensive operations by Army airships revealed that they were extremely vulnerable to ground fire unless flown at high altitude, and several were lost. No bombs had been developed, and the early raids dropped artillery shells instead. On 5 August 1914 Z VI bombed Liège. Flying at a relatively low altitude because of cloud cover, the airship was damaged by small-arms fire and was destroyed in a forced landing near Bonn.[35] On 21 August Z VII and Z VIII were damaged by ground fire while supporting German army operations in Alsace, and Z VIII was lost.[36] On the night of 24/25 August Z IX bombed Antwerp, dropping bombs near the royal palace and killing five people. A second, less effective, raid was made on the night of 1–2 September and a third on 7 October, but on 8 October Z IX was destroyed in its hangar at Düsseldorf by Flt Lt. Reginald Marix, RNAS. The RNAS had also bombed the Zeppelin bases in Cologne on 22 September 1914.[37][38] On the eastern front, Z V was brought down by ground fire on 28 August during the Battle of Tannenberg; most of the crew were captured. Z IV bombed Warsaw on 24 September and was also used to support German army operations in East Prussia.[35] By the end of 1914 the Army's airship strength was reduced to four.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin#During_World_War_I
>>47129955
American here. We don't really learn much about WWI in school apart from "Franz Ferdinand was assassinated, trench warfare, we didn't take part in it much" so if this game gets even a small number of kids to give a shit enough to want to learn about what caused ever bad thing that happened in the twentieth century I'd consider that a net gain over the possibility that the game is insensitive.
>>47137583
pls no
>>47138235
Makes me wonder why they even bothered with zeppelin's if they were vulnerable at all ranges except the ones so high that precision bombardments are impossible. They look cool and veryKIROV REPORTINGbut that's it.
>>47138281
They were pretty dank for scouting, and much safer than kites.
>>47138281
Militarilly, Zeppelins were only effective as long as there were Aircraft that could not rwach them.
However, nothing will ever compare to the great Passenger Zeppelins as far as the romance of air travel goes. I don't think anyone would ever want to do a round the world tour in a Jumbo Jet or a Dreamliner. Yes, they are far faster, but to my mind being able to look out across the hills and waves from the belly of the Graf Zeppelin or the Hindenburg must have been a truly amazing experience.
>>47138409
They also weren't exactly slow. 200 to 300 kmh depending on the model. It was like taking a short ship cruise, except you covered twenty times the distance.
>tfw everyone is talking about airships and trenches but forgetting the navy
>>47138409
They are also rather economical for things that need to travel a long distance but don't have to get there super fast (Like perishable foods)
>>47138480
Yes, but to people these days speed trumps a more measured pace. They'd rather get to their destination fast instead of enjoying the journey along the way.
>>47138490
Jutland was the end of an era that started with Nelson, if not with Cromwell's fleet in the Anglo-Dutch Wars. It was the end of the idea that great fleets of ship-of-the-line, blasting each other with broadsides could decide control of the seas in a single day.
Jellicoe receives unfair blame for the disasters of that day, in my opinion. He actually did a good job post-war helping to create the Australian and New Zealand Navies, though Singapore was also in large part his idea.
Modern war sucks and is boring. You either get sniped or bombed. There is be little chance you get to look into enemy's eyes.
Just check modern games - either this is medieval-like game where you can block, parry, dodge and whatever the hell you want or fast-paced shooter, so you wouldn't sit behind cover for too long.
Why I born in such shitty times? No sword combat for me nor pretty rad 18-19 century nor fucking space exploration because governments prefer to waste money on stupid shit, DAMMIT.
>>47134408
I wouldn't call Brusilov's Offensive a way to beat trenches, it was just throwing even more dudes at them simultaneously
>>47138641
>There is be little chance you get to look into enemy's eyes.
Pretty sure places like Fallujah and Baghdad saw a lot of close-quarters fighting. Gaming-wise, take a look at Verdun, Arma, Operation Flashpoint, etc. Plenty of opportunities for warfare at multiple ranges.
>mfw my fireteam receives orders to clear out a town by ourselves in Arma III
Am I the only one who read Return of Tarzan and the most excited in the book I got was in North Africa? Made me want to run a pre-WWI not-quite-CIA game in North Africa.
>>47138578
>Aus' navy
Top lel
>>47138641
>Why I born in such shitty times?
>I want to die slowly to infections contracted during my amputation
>>47138641
Devs fix this by adding endless respawn which makes killing much more important than surviving, and totally breaks the immersion for me
But they, we live in times where HAPPY CLICKER is considered entertainment
>>47138641
But from the point of view of the commaders it only gets more interesting, with long range communications and motorized transport you can move units exactly where you want, when you want and keep track of their situation and location, this is amazing and turn war into a much deeper strategic and tactical "game" than ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY
>>47138704
>third world countries
>modern combat
It's all about missiles and aircraft now.
>>47138740
Shit happens all the time.
>>47138846
Significantly less often than it used to.
>>47138641
>Modern war sucks and is boring. You either get sniped or bombed. There is be little chance you get to look into enemy's eyes.
special forces would probably disagree
>Why I born in such shitty times?
there are literally for leisure/sport swordfighting organizations that you can join
without the risk of getting hit by grapeshot or trampled by a horse
>>47138955
>there are literally for leisure/sport swordfighting organizations that you can join
B-but it's not the same. It's just not the same as fighting for liberty, equality and brotherhood under the watchful eye of your brilliant emperor, knowing that the only thing standing between you and the rank of general is your individual merit.
>>47138734
Could be worse. The Australians at least were independent minded. New Zealand refused to have an independent navy for as long as they could. They wanted it to remain 'The New Zealand Division of the Royal Navy' for at least the duration of the war. The again, that was the country that unilaterally offered troops to Britain every single time a crisis came up. Patriotic does not even begin to describe it.
>>47139009
>B-but it's not the same
right, you have the luxury of complaining about how unfair life is on the internet, too
>>47138235
I'm not joking. While many zeppelins were brought down that was had more to do with poor tactics on the Germans side combined with just how much the British wanted to take them down than zeppelins as a concept being bad. Zeppelins were built with many redundant gas bags that allowed for individual bags to be compromised and still let the zeppelin maintain altitude, although at a steadily declining rate. Gas bags were also kept around 1 atmosphere of pressure making any holes poked in them slowly leak hydrogen, almost like a small crack in a boat starting to take on water. In order to start a flame that can could take out a zeppelin in the first place you needed some way to actually ignite enough of a hydrogen+oxygen mixture to start a fire on an enemy zeppelin, and prior to incendiary ammunition and various other weapons designed specifically to take out zeppelins it was extremely hard to actually set a zeppelin on fire. On top of all of this the outer frame of the zeppelin can take as many bullets as it wants as long as the aluminum frame remains relatively intact, and peppering a zeppelin with enough bullets to actually make it lose its structural integrity was hard as fuck.
Despite this there were tons of zeppelin pilots going full retard and sinking down to the point where they can get turned to swiss cheese by anti-air fire, but the fact that they were willing to sink so low in altitude in the first place shows how much they trusted their equipment.
If you notice here it says zeppelin bombing was phased out in 1917, but by that time the Germans had been successfully bombing Britain for nearly two YEARS prior to Britain setting up proper defenses against bombing threats: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/zeppelin-raids/
Zeppelins were fucking scary.
>>47138846
>>modern combat
The early modern period began in the 1400s. Saddam's forces had a navy, air force, armor, mechanized infantry, automatic firearms, etc. The US may have been technologically superior, but the Iraqi forces were by no means composed entirely of spear-wielding goatfuckers. Special forces units do plenty of CQC shenanigans, too.
>>47139009
Get /fit/, go to the Middle East, and sign up with the Kurds. There's plenty of close-up fighting there if you don't mind the possibility of being captured, raped, and tortured by ISIS. If you see Abu Hajaar rolling around somewhere, be sure to let him know he's an internet sensation, too.
>>47124971
I would buy it for this if done well.CS Lewis agreeing with Tolkien that Catholicism is best ism.
>>47139131
Wasn't Lewis Caesaropapist Anglican scum though?
>>47139153
There is a rumor (and I believe that it is only a rumor) that he converted to Catholicism on his death bead. Catholics rather like him.
>>47137102
Because the P-51D is the most overrated fighter aircraft in history. The goddamn thing wasn't even designed to be a dogfighter; it had very poor maneuverability and its main advantage was numbers and the fact that it was being flown by highly trained US pilots up against almost completely untrained Luftwaffe pilots. But you'll never see this shit brought up on American TV because MUH PROPAGANDA.
>>47139180
>its main advantage was numbers and the fact that it was being flown by highly trained US pilots up against almost completely untrained Luftwaffe pilots
Wasn't it a great energy fighter, though?
>>47139209
Not really, as it was extremely heavy for a fighter and climbed poorly.
>>47139180
>the most overrated fighter aircraft in history.
That probably depends on where you are. American media overhypes them like no other, but the Japanese still have raging boners for zeroes, and the Russians are still crazy about Yaks.
>>47139209
You can't just say energy fighter, anon. All fighting is energy management.
>>47139260
Yeah, but the Zero and Yaks being loved actually has some merit. The Mustang was just a terrible plane.
Alright, let's get back on topic. What's your favorite WW1 plane?
>>47139260
My bad. I meant to ask specifically if it had performed decently at high speeds and boom-and-zoom.
>>47139285
The mustang was a quality air superiority fighter. Its fiddies were quite potent at the time and its climb rate wasn't a serious limitation because they had plenty of room to climb to space.
>>47139321
SPAD 12. The ultimate "absolute madman" of WWI aeronautics.
>>47139321
Allies: Nieuport 28. Wasn't the best plane they had, but it was a spunky little thing.
Central: Siemens-Schukert D.IV. A very late-war German fighter that almost nobody has heard of, which is a fucking shame because it was to WWI what the Ta 152C was to WWII.
>>47139386
>The mustang was a quality air superiority fighter
please watch less history channel thx
>>47139359
It basically HAD to boom and zoom to kill things, and it wasn't easily done.
>>47139285
>>47139209
>>47139225
He's not entirely wrong.
The P-51D had decent energy retention and the advantage of starting at altitude, every, single, time.
So in the hands of a skilled pilot, it had okay handling, and a decent enough armament for what it had to do, which was long range escort missions.
>>47139413
>please watch less history channel thx
Play less War Thunder and play more DCS.
>>47139416
All of this. Really, it didn't even have shitty maneuverability in general. It was a good turnfighter, just not an incredible one like the Zero or Merlin-engined Spitfire.
>>47139576
Hell he should play more IL-2. Cheap as fuck to get 1946 so you can fly the P-51.
>tfw the Buffalo everyone memes on is utterly fucking lethal in turn fights in the finnish campaign
>>47136142
>Charlemagne
>Bad guy
Next you're going to tell me he was French.
>>47139681
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
>Charlemagne (/ˈʃɑːrlᵻmeJn/; 2 April 742/747/748[1] – 28 January 814), also known as Charles the Great (Latin: Carolus or Karolus Magnus) or Charles I (Frankish: *Karl), was King of the Franks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_France
>Philip II, called Philip Augustus (French: Philippe Auguste; 21 August 1165 – 14 July 1223) was a King of France from the House of Capet who reigned from 1180 to 1223. Philip's predecessors had been known as kings of the Franks, but from 1190 onward, Philip became the first French monarch to style himself king of France.
Checkmate atheists! But even in this part of history the Germans played the role of the bad guy, as emphasized by the bloody verdict of Verden.
>>47136142
Germany, for most of it's history, was the USA of Europe, of course they're the ones to blame.
>>47129953
It's actually out already you know that right? Lots of horror but lots of fun too, like this ghost zeppelin.
>>47139153
Anglican and Catholocism are incredibly similar anyways
>>47139576Please provide two proofs War Thunder isn't the ultimate WWII aviation simulator.
>>47139852
>implying the Saxons didn't deserve every bit of it
>be Saxon
>lose war vs Charlemagne
>promise to convert to Christianity and keep the peace
>revolt
>stay pagan
>get assblasted when Charlemagne rolls up into Saxony with a bunch of ripshit pissed Frankish warriors ready to cut off heads and shit down the throat for Christ and they completely wreck your shit in
>Hitler turns what was a justified massacre (for rebelling against Charlemagne as king, his peace, and staying pagans,) into "m-muh German forerunners got killed and dindu nuffin :(((("
Stay mad, Frenchie.
>>47139948
>Saxons
Absolutely disgusting.
t. Frisian
>>47139922
I keked.for those who don't get the joke; the War Thunder devs require at least two primary historical references cited when making a claim that a craft's performance is historically incorrect
>>47139009
>the only thing standing between you and the rank of general is your individual meri
Was this ever the case?
>>47139948
>implying the Saxons didn't deserve every bit of it
That's what I'm implying. Glorious Franks smiting pig disgusting Saxons.
>>47119926
Why do they think this is hype? Why is a world war 1 soldier black?
>>47140503
>Why is a world war 1 soldier black?
Because some soldiers in WWI were black?
>>47140503
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
