Is 40k satire?
>>47076472
That WAS the intent, yes.
No, it's a parody
>>47076472
It was but somewhere things went very wrong, and now it has become the beast
>little to no animals
no, can't be satire without animals
>>47076472
Originally 40k was really influenced by 2000AD/Judge Dredd, which is definitely satire.
>>47076472
It's satire that started taking itself seriously somewhere along the line. Orks are about the only remaining vestiges of the time when the whole setting realized how silly it was.
>>47076547
>Orks are about the only remaining vestiges of the time when the whole setting realized how silly it was
...and The Beast Arises is going to fix that
It's satire that's gone it's own way into a fully fledged setting.
Kind of like Pastafarian..
>>47076555
The Beast series changed zero things about the Orks.
If you say Ork diplomats, I will find a way to slap you.
>>47076472
Originally - No, because satire is inherently critical. Original 40k would be better described as an affectionate parody of the material that influenced it.
Modern 40k, tragically, seems to take itself perfectly seriously. Unless Orks are involved. I don't even play Orks, and their codexes are still always the most entertaining to me, fluff-wise.
>>47076572
they would have to be more than guest characters for it to change much about them
>>47076472
No. Used to be parody, now it's just retarded.
>>47076501
Kek.
>>47076555
Nigga, The Beast Arises has Orks bringing death stars to Terra, even at their most terrifyingly powerful, Orks are still silly as fuck.
40k should always remain in the Fallout 1 & 2 style balance between dark and atmospheric but also silly an self-aware. It's hard to keep that balance.
>>47076517
>2000AD/Judge Dredd
The thing is, those can be pretty serious at time.
Judge Dedd have really tragic moments, and it have "fight an evil scientist and his army of anthropomorphic pills" moments.
And so should 40k, I think. There is nothing wrong with it having inconsistent tone between different stories.
So while I agree that today 40k should remember that it can be silly fun, we shouldn't go the other way and pretend 40k shouldn't never be serious.
It used to be. Priestly said that the setting was nothing but ironic. It hasn't really gone that way for a while now, as something had gone terribly wrong amongst GW's writers.
>>47076472
In the 80s and 90s, there was a popular science fiction concept called "ha ha only serious". That's where you straddle the line between extremely graphic and satire. You could have a setting that was both deadly serious and over-the-top self parody at the same time, veering into one or the other as needed.
In the 90s, comics, RPGs, and other media started taking themselves Very Seriously. Dark Knight Returns, Sandman, Vampire the Masquerade. 40k was actually one of the last settings to shed the humor, and I think in the end it was their move toward a much younger demographic. Millennials have no sense of humor.
>>47076472
Of what?
What is it trying to be critical of?
>>47077436
humans
>>47076572
Do freebooters count as diplomats?
>40k is parody/satire meme
Did it ever cross your mind that it's such a big setting parts of it are serious and parts of it aren't
>>47077473
No. Freebooterz are pirates that are slightly more willing than most Orks to negotiate for plunder and a good scrap.
>>47077404
Dredd was the Brits making fun of US law enforcement and systems
Pretty sure the Imperium is a jab at our imperialism as well
>>47076472
Not any more, and the setting is better for that.
It's actually pretty cool now, with all the silliness gone.
>>47077743
>>47076472
The confusion is that people think "satire" just means "stuff to laugh at."
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
Irony and folly are huge, HUGE elements in 40k.
>>47078060
Dredd was an equal parts parody of trigger-happy American police and Thatcherite tools of oppression British riot police.
The Imperium is pretty clearly Nazi-inspired, though. It's far more Third Reich-ish than it is British Empire-y or U.S. invader-y.
>>47078060
Laserburn was almost certainly satire of either American imperialism, British imperialism, or both, with the Red Redemption as radical muslims, except that the West hadn't really done much fighting against radical Islam at the time, so it was oddly prescient.
>>47078060
Ironically, the crime stats in the latest movie case suggest what is, if not a utopia, at least relatively peaceful compared to IRL -- in terms of absolute crime levels Megacity One is huge, but in terms of per capita crime levels Megacity One is less violent than modern cities, likely due to the vigilance of the Judges. And those megacities have HUGE population density to boot.
>>47077432
>Millennials have no sense of humor.
They have been taught that humor is problematic and offensive.
I just don’t get it
The emperor is real and he has the best interest of humanity at heart
Even in the original lore, dictatorship and fascism lead to a period of hope and prosperity for mankind until his anarchist traitor son ruined it all
What was the original message these apparent "Communist" Brit bongs where trying to get across?
>>47077421
Yeha, more writers seem to be taking it too seriously. The Orks and the Dark Eldar seem like the only parts of 40k left with intentional humor to them.
>>47078596
Pretty much.
It is both satire and serious at the same time.
It can be anything you want it to be.
That's half the fun of 40k and where so many other universes fall short. It's so huge you can make up just about anything and it fits in the universe.
>>47076472
It's satire in the same way you can call Fallout satirical. Yes, there are some satirical elements aimed at poking fun at other post-apoc media and American culture, but overall the setting is considered a lot more serious.
>>47078855
They're targeting a younger audience that can't handle satire. 12 year olds, especially in this generation, are way too earnest to laugh and just go with it.
If they were still selling to the grognards, they'd be able to have an ounce of self-awareness and laugh at themselves.
Go onto a college campus and you'll see how people take a joke these days.
>hur muh millennials
>take a joek guies
might be that you're just not that funny
>>47078469
>The Imperium is pretty clearly Nazi-inspired, though. It's far more Third Reich-ish than it is British Empire-y or U.S. invader-y.
How so, British Army had basically commissar level officers who executed grunts for disobeying suicide orders still during WWI? Like jumping out of trenches and marching directly to enemy fortifications while being machine-gunned down.
>>47079841
So are you saying that we should just abandon any attempt to raise people with a sense of humor and self-awareness, and expose them to different, more subtle forms of comedy than silly videos and memes?
>>47079929
Nah, pretty sure you're just an overly analytical faggot.
That's okay, this kind of moral panic happens every other generation or two. It'll pass much like it always does as the activists slowly get their demands and then become insane in an attempt to remain relevant, driving off the moderates and eventually cannibalizing and gutting the movement. Just like Macaroni.
> YFW Foppery was the masculine counter culture to effeminate Macaroni which was an exaggerated aping of the style of French nobles who survived the Revolution.
Was it? Yes.
Is it? No.
you old farts are hilarious
>>47079992
No, I'm just saying that kids these days can't take a joke.
Why do you think I have a solution slotted up?
>>47076493
>>47076517
It has satire IN it, but the setting was always partially serious.
Read Rogue Trader. Please. I beg you.
>>47080077
The obvious solution is to expose them to satire, so that they learn to take a joke.
Imperial Guard was absolutely and most certainly inspired by the soviets doe (men worth less than equipment, commiesars, super grimdark, etc), hell even the not-Roman aquila is identical to the Russian double headed chicken. Also super heavy tanks.
Orks are just for fun.
I honestly dont understand what's up with spess muhreens, they seem to be some sort of.. idealism or something, I dont know.
Space elves have Tolkien singing and 'beautiful dying race' thingie. Not sure what are they all about, never finished silmarillion.
Dark space elves are just for more fun and a tiny bit of edginess.
Techpriests are for 'STEM master race' types that are always present with sci-fi cyberpunk thingies, who are basically turning their anti-religion thing into religion.
Chaos is for edgy people I guess.
Oldcrones are also fun/edgy mix I guess.
Whole thing was made so people can have fun I guess, I doubt they were trying to pass on some sort of super big symbolic message or whatever. I cant help but think people saying this are just some sort of pretentious quasi-intellectual bullshitters, thinking that E V E R Y T H I N G has to have some sort of hidden symbolic message that only they can decipher so they can go to bed thinking they arent completely useless or whatever. Give it a rest wankers, some things are simply made to be fun and there's no intentional/important symbolic message.
>>47079990
>>47078469
Pretty sure The Imperium is way more inspired by the roman empire at various points in history
>deified emperor
>empire in decline, ever so slowly
>constant invasions from "barbarians"
>half the enemies are just legions turned traitor by previously-trusted generals
>>47080099
Oh for sure. It has definite humor. "Inquisitor Obi Wan Sherlock Clouseau?" He also looks more like an angry Hippy in a leather coat with a chainsword and bolt pistol than the current model. (He even has a ying-yang symbol on his chest. Not a skull or Rosette)
There is also a persistent recurring enemy in the scenarios that is a douchebag Flash Gordon/Flashman parody. I swear it's a "Gold" something name, but I could be wrong.
I imagine him as being similar to Captain Sternn from Heavy Metal at times myself.
And missions that involve Grox rustling/theft, and the ensuing indignity of your Space Marines getting eaten or mauled to death by Grox. (Likely because Grox are large, and angry, and a good analogy is "more dragon-y looking Dewback from Star Wars. They are basically angry all the time. But can live pretty much anywhere and have delicious, healthy meat. They however, fucking hate well, everything.)
>>47080108
They just get triggered and stage a protest.
>>47080295
Orks are british football hooligans
spess mehreens are a combination of spartan warriors and roman legionaries.
Oldcrons are egyptian terminators.
Chaos is supposed to be the mirror opposite to the Imperium, showing off a more Chaotic (harr harr) Evil as opposed to the Imperiums Lawful Evil.
>>47080389
Sort of like you right now?
>>47080389
You're taking one fairly left-wing part of the population and applying it to all people under a certain age. Even then, most of those sorts of people at least have the common decency to be triggered by something more serious, not by a type of comedy.
>>47080496
>common decency to be triggered by something more serious
>triggered
>serious
If you get triggered, its your fault tho. I mean think about it. Your emotions are your problem, no? I am from a fairly small eastern European country, and no one has ever got triggered by anything around here.....
Lets say someone 'triggers' you, and you get all 'triggered' and in all of your outrage and self righteousness go to a court and sue them.. what if he claims he got triggered by you being triggered?? Now what????
So all accounts of 'being triggered' are clearly bullshit. In case of no actual, factual, objective, testable, measurable damage being done, there's no case. Just bullshit.
>>47080428
Yes, exactly. I keep a squeegee next to my monitor for moments like these.
On the outside, I'm cool and collected, buy on the inside I'm a seething torrent of passion and humorless rage. Very few people pick up on that; good job anon!
>>47080496
This applies to republicans, too. Have you tried talking to a Trump supporter lately?
>>47080570
>small eastern eurotrash
>opinions discarded
>>47080496
> "Defending" your obvious millenial status
> Repeatedly taking the goddamn bait
You millenial fags are just unable to resist it, aren't you?
>>47080570
Well, it's not as if most people claim to be triggered by random things. It's usually related some bad experience in the past, sort of like PTSD (or even being actual PTSD). There's no real reason they could justify being triggered by 40k being more satirical.
>>47080645
at this point I'm pretty sure we're all well over the age of 18 dicking around on the internet trying to be clever with minimal success
>>47080570
Oh, come on. Emotional damages are brought up in court all the time. Has it got away from us? Yes, but denying its existence is ridiculous.
>>47080633
>opinions discarded because I dont like you
....ok? how do you even talk with people like you lol
>>47080651
Exactly. Getting triggered by 40k is a mental illness.
>>47080774
Well I doubt it. During the 90's there was plenty of blown up corpses in the streets and rape, half of it is on youtube (look up Yugoslav civil war), I personally know a lot of people who participated (half of my family fought), and no one got PTSD or whatever. People just lead normal lives. My dad gets really hyped every time they make new Hitman game, guy just loves those.
>>47077432
Millennials are those born after 1985.
40K factions are just based on enemies of the United States.
>Imperium: Nazi Germany (Obvious)
>Chaos: Confederacy (People who broke off to do something evil, take lots of slaves)
>Eldar: British Empire (Crumbling empire who insist they're superior)
>Dark Eldar: Canada (Meaningless in the grand scheme of things and related to the British)
>Orkz: Soviet Union (Endless stupidity that doesn't realize its system doesn't work)
>Necron: Imperial Japan (Ancient Evil awakening because the Imperium/America poked at it)
>Tyranids: Mexico (Endless hordes)
>Tau: China (Strict bureaucracies and born-into-your-taskness, great at organization and shitty at war, Eastern philosophies)
>>47080859
No, they're people I don't agree with. Like hipsters.
>>47080848
>hejustthrewtherod.jpg
>>47076472
No, it was Parody. But now it wants to be taken seriously despite it being chock full of retardation.
The best way to enjoy 40K is not take it too seriously.
>>47080900
>le everything is always about united states
This is some Best Korea tier imagination, United States doesnt even have first world standards and quality of life, less than 10% of the people own passports, and somehow you think everything is about you?
>>47080363
And those share the same pages as these guys.
It's more of a pastiche than anything else.
>>47080940
>less than 10% of the people own passports
Of all of the things to pick out, why do Europeans always pick on this? The other shit I can understand, but why this?
>>47080363
>There is also a persistent recurring enemy in the scenarios that is a douchebag Flash Gordon/Flashman parody. I swear it's a "Gold" something name, but I could be wrong.
Abdul Goldberg
inb4 >>>/pol/
The dude was a super kike and basically always stole your shit and you were always trying to get back at him
>>47080940
>10% own passports
It's not like most people are going to leave the country in the first place.
>>47080968
Eurocountries are closer together and people move between them more. Its a sign of sophistication and culture to go someplace else and decide you hate them for their slight variation on sausages and beer.
>40k lore is the sort of thing that sounds cool when it is just 2 sentences in a blurb, but gets infinitely stupid upon any expanded telling.
>>47080859
Exactly. Most have no recollection of the 80's, grew up in the oh-so-serious 90's, but really came of age after 2000. Hence "millennial".
A typical millennial born in 1990 or so turned 12 in 2002. At that point they started being in GW's target demographic. It was also around then that GW switched from selling broadly to "gamers" to selling "the Games Workshop Hobby" to the 12-16 yr old market segment.
And, not coincidentally, that's when all the snarky kind-of-kidding self-parody elements of 40k started being dropped.
>>47076472
40k is all things to all people.
It's one of the best "kitchen sink" settings ever created, because it's got a 20+ year history, and a whole galaxy to play with. There's plenty of room for satire, and plenty for grimdark played straight, and plenty for whatever else you want to cram in there, and it's all been done and often done well. That's the beauty of it.
>originally it was satire, but the kiddies couldn't handle it, so GW went grimdark
Eh, kind of. The satire elements were stronger and more prominent back in the day, but they're still around, and there have always been serious grim dark tales of heroism going on too, even in the RT days.
>>47080968
Well travelling all over the world is like an unwritten rule, a thing everyone does. By travelling, I mean visiting places that have their own ethnicity, their own language, their own (actual) culture that's different than yours. Not just cruising Euro zone (which have a ton of really nice places to visit), but also visiting Tokyo, Moscow, Abu Dhabi, stuff like that.
And so after traveling all over the world you get some legitimate perspective about a place you live in every day, you dont shout freedom from a world's prison state while being ruled by Kenyans and thinking that is a way it should be.
it's become self-satire
>>47081176
Man, the world makes me feel old but I keep getting reminded I'm still young.
Reminder that there's nothing wrong with serious 40k as long as it doesn't try to be anything but fantasy/non-realistic.
>>47081283
pretty sure I've seen modern marines with the RT beakie proportions in kauyon/mont'ka art
It's a "serious" setting made up of a lot of satirical and cheesy elements. Fallout is the same way. It used to be Command and Conquer Red Alert-tier in its over-the-top satirical nature, but that's toned down a bit and I still am fine with that.
Even Starship troopers had genuine drama amid all the satire.
There's really nothing wrong with taking a 40k story seriously, it's first and foremost a sandbox setting where you can have just about any scenario.
>>47080900
> Implying tau aren'tyoung USA
>>47081416
what/where?
>>47078680
The irony that while trying to destroy religion in human society, le corpse emperor became that very object of worship. Think that waste original message.
it was satire, but much like the disney universe enough people started to believed in it that it became its own thing.
>>47081827
That's the way with most religions. Not meant in a fedora way just that the Buddhism practiced today would horrify Siddhartha, Jesus wouldn't recognize Christianity today outside of a few basic practices, Muhammad would be reeeeing at all the innovations to his faith.
>>47081176
Why is parody good? Serious is the best examples of all human art as the world is serious as well. It's better to have serious 40k with some slight elements of humor retained as absurdism.
>>47081217
>a thing everyone does.
There's that Eurocentricism at play. You guys may not be the imperial superpowers you once were but old habits die hard and (Western/Northern) Europe still has this behavior of thinking everyone in the world should live like them, have the same luxuries and opportunities they do or that life is like it is for them. While we are able to travel more than at any prior point in history it's not as if the vast majority of the population in much of the world is able to travel across the world on a touristic whim. The poorer Africans/South Americans/North Americans/East Asians are going to vacation to some local domestic destination or maybe the neighboring countries that are vacation hot spots (like Mexico is for the states and I'd think the subtropical parts of SE Asia are for the Chinese or Japanese or Koreans).
And don't act so smug that a Briton might go and visit Greece or Tunisia and be so cultured and enlightened and euphoric when they are going because it's cheap and it's sunny and there are good beaches. Costs us a lot more to travel outside of the states unless it's to Mexico or Canada.
I mean for fucks' sake you list Abu Dhabi. If you aren't upper middle class or rich you aren't going to Abu Dhabi on a whim unless you're some South-East Asian migrant laborer.
>>47081217
>Well travelling all over the world is like an unwritten rule, a thing everyone does.
are you actually being serious right now
>>47078469
>The Imperium is pretty clearly Nazi-inspired
It's more like faux-USSR than naziland.
Comissars, human wave tictacs, soviet-like massive purges and planned economy.
>>47076501
Anon that's why we have Space Wolves
>>47082075
>>47082110
You dont have to be a royalty to do a 15-20 days at some nice place outside of your continent. I am fairly certain ALL kinds of people can (and even should) become a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer or officer or something like that, and while not everyone can get a insta-cushy job because of his dad, if you are any good at what you do for a living you will get there in five to ten years tops, by the time you start a family you will certainly be able to travel where ever once a year. As long as your parents have a relevant education (which is completely 100% free over here) and arent manual laborers or some bullshit you get to live a normal life, and even if your parents didnt make anything out of themselves, doesnt mean you cant push yourself a tiny bit and make yourself a normal life.
>>47082326
>You dont have to be a royalty to do a 15-20 days at some nice place outside of your continent
Correct. But it's neither mandatory or all that common.
At least in NA, the bulk of leisure travel is going to be within the continent, because it's fucking massive.
>>47076572
Ork diplomats confirmed.
>>47082394
Well right, not mandatory, but its also not a big deal as long as you are a 'normal person', as long as you are a sensible, responsible, well raised person from a normal family.
If you are one of those shitters who pursued a formal education in something useless, thinking economies work on hobbies, not knowing what a job and what a hobby is, had a baby in your 20ies and are now raising a family while doing a minimum wage manual labor, than yeah its impossible because of 'evil rich and their evil lifestyle that they made possible trough evil stuff and privilege' or some bullshit.
But I didnt count those kind of people when I wrote the post. Those guys are their own category, not a norm. We'd all like formal education in Italian medieval poetry, but that's just not a thing you do..
>>47076472
No, but it's camp. Not very good camp, but still camp.
The brutality and vaguely fascist imagery isn't there because GW wanted to make a point about war or authoritarianism, it's there because a lot of science-fiction and fantasy is about these themes, or unwittingly promotes them, to the point of dark absurdity.
40k embraces that silliness.
>>47082538
Expect a slap at some point in the future.
>>47082590
Verily, the ork diplomats are canon now, thanks to the books.
No more waaagh!, but orks in monocles, followed by snots with banners of the words: facio ut facias.
>>47076472
On a slightly unrelated note, I am curious...
Does there exist something like a tabletop x-com style game set in the wh40k universe?
Like, replacing the skyranger with the thunderhawk, and the commander with the chapter master, and the soldiers with space marines, and the alienes with well xenos.
It is satire on extreme government.
Every Faction is the embodiment of a governmental ideology.
>>47076472
No.
The lore is such a sprawling mess at this point it has no consistent tone or message.
So, I assumed the whole thing was that they just slapped as much blood, gore, various controversial political and religious statements together to make the most over the top gruesome dystopia of all time.
When people say W40K is a bad game, but the fluff is amazing, I can't help but feel I missed something.
>>47083420
Its amazing because its really easy to get into it, to make yourself feel like you are just another faceless guard or a paragon of virtue and glory or a being that lives as part of the horde that exists solely to fight for ever. 40k fluff is just so clear and precise, it doesnt have any sort of pretentious wankery where everything can be interpreted in a infinite ways that its completely pointless, here its all clear and well defined. There are no diplomatic orks, and even the most badass guardsman who became a saint, died, and no one even remembered his name just like all others.
>>47076472
>>47080940
>United States doesnt even have first world standards and quality of life
You have never actually been outside of the First World if you think this is even remotely true. Are the government safety nets as generally effective as Western/Northern European counterparts? No. But they're still pretty damn good compared to 95% of the rest of the world.
> less than 10% of the people own passports
Because travel is ridiculously expensive outside of the US, and the US has pretty much everything within their own borders barring tropical rainforests?
Just GETTING to Europe from the US (which is generally a cheap flight) costs thousands when all expenses are included. Couple that with the fact that our only other nations to visit are Canada and Mexico (and Canada is basically just Diet America, so you're not getting much of a cultural difference). Why would the average person spend the insane amounts of money to go somewhere on vacation when he has similar locations within the US that are a fraction of the cost? The reason Europeans travel isn't so they can be "more culturally enlightened," but because compared to the US their environments are extremely homogenous - you have to leave the country to get different climates most of the time.
We don't have the luxury of being able to just drive across the border for the weekend and go visit another country whenever we want.
Also, most people get passports when they're young, but they expire every seven years and require renewal. People stop traveling when they work full-time and raise a family except for special trips.
>mfw Europeans wonder why everybody doesn't act like Europeans
>>47084305
............what the fuck am I even reading, entire US is completely 100% the same while crossing the border in Europe means a completely different language, a completely different cuisine, all different national holidays, a completely different 2000 years of history, national costumes, an actual and real cultures
all of US is completely 100% the same copy paste states, maybe Texas people wear sillier boots, have sillier accents and shoot revolvers all the time, but in all other states literally everything is the same
therefore that's not a legit traveling, not in comparison to exploring different EU countries, india, japan, hell even countries in Europe that share a border have wast cultural and lifestyle differences such as germany and italy for example, life is completely different, climate, food, what they drive, how they speak, everything
I have no idea what the hell did I just read
>>47076472
Not entirely
>>47082247
>a guy in power armour
Not satire
>a wolf in power armour
satire
>a wolf in power armour riding a wolf
doubly satirical, so much so it's come back around to being serious
>>47084728
You have no idea what your just read because you evidently can't read.
>>47084981
guy I replied to thought people travel because of climate or something
skiing is nice and so are beaches, but that's not the reason why anyone ever travels, its to experience cultures and usa has none
>>47076472
Some of it is
>>47085047
What the fuck are you on about?
People travel just for skiing and beaches ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
A lot of people don't give a flying fuck about seeing different cultures, they care about going somewhere fun, whether or not that place has a different culture is often not relevant.
Also, by the very nature of cultures the US DOES have one.
There literally isn't such as thing as not having a culture, unless you are a fucking robot.
>>47085981
Again, you dont travel to Japan, India, Abu Dhabi and so on, for skiing and beaches. You can do that at home. What you cant do at home, is experience a different culture, which is why you travel.
That's like idk, living in a landlock country, going to a country with a coast for the first time, and spending entire vacation in a hotel's pool. Well damn it, that is a waste of everything.
>>47085047
>>47086217
confirmed retard who has never left his house
I've been to 7 different countries and never did I leave to 'experience culture'. It's always been to see a specific thing, or go to a specific area because of an activity that was available there.
stop posting if you don't actually know what you're talking about
>inb4 i'm wrong even though I've been to these countries and have actually left my house for longer than 2 hours to go to the local McDonalds
>>47086322
Its almost like different people travel for different reasons.. also you are American I assume (mc donalds) so that could explain it as well.
>>47086355
>implying McDonalds isn't in every country in the world
nice try faggot, I'm Italian. not like me being american would make a difference unless you're a meme spouting retard
and if you admit yourself that people travel for different reasons, then why the shitposts saying that 'people only travel to experience muh culture'?
>>47084728
You've never been to the U.S. have you? Go to New York City, then to Los Angeles and tell me they have the same culture.
>>47078469
>>47079990
>>47080295
>>47080362
>>47082238
It's all of them. It's human imperialism and our unwillingness to just die even after literal Hell.
>>47080900
>Imperium: Aspects of every World power ever
>Chaos: Same as above, but more faces stapled to things
>Eldar: Hubris given form and then trying to fix their shit while still being dicks
>DEldar: Same as above but not trying to fix their shit
>Orkz: English football hooligans with a splash of every horde ever.
>Necrons: Space Tomb Kings(now, previously Space Cthulu cultist skynet) (Also, the US was not the one who broke isolationism, they just forced the issue.
>Tyranids: Literal horde of space locusts
>Tau: More Japan and India is you want to go from the caste angle. China has traditionally always had a large amount of social mobility.
>>47084200
>lest it be mistaken
Why should I care if retards make retarded mistakes?
>>47080946
And what exactly is that mess?
>>47086806
3/10 got me to respond.
>>47087818
I think if I recall correctly they are Techpriests.
>>47076472
The real question is that, "Is 40k the only setting that started off as goofy satire, and THEN went full serious?"
>>47076472
It has many satirical elements but I would not call it satire as a whole.
>>47089394
Saints Row went the opposite way.
Maybe Star Wars? Star Trek?
Not anymore. It's kinda like /pol/ it was a meme at first... now its picking the leaders of the free world and insanely stronk
>>47081827
In the timescale of the setting's existence and evolution, the pre-Heresy pro-atheism stuff is actually a relatively recent addition (and crept in before the HH novels, despite common belief). It does, however, mesh with the Emperor's original view of himself as stated in Rogue Trader:
>The Emperor, for his part, suffers from no illusion about his humanity and sees himself only as the first servant of mankind.
So really, the difference now is just that the Emperor was more outspoken about itback when he still had the capacity to be outspoken about anything at all.
On another note, the truth behind the Imperial Cult here may be especially relevant for those of a cynical bent:
>The cult was envisaged as a means of reinforcing loyalty amongst primitives, feral worlds and the uneducated levels of society. However, over the centuries the cult has become more generally accepted and even its administrators have become ‘believers’.
It's mostly parody, marketed as serious, occasionally satire when allowed to be which is seldom.
