The tau best trained fire warriors are barely equal to your standard trained guard edition.
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD'
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>>47070521
First for you can only fire one gun during overwatch, by RAW.
>>47070587
Second for you're a fucking liar
>>47070620
third for chaos are shit.
ITT:Taucucks whining about ITCnerfs.
Play Farsight Enclaves or SHUT UP
>>47070656
fourth for you are right, but i regret nothing
>>47070656
Fourth for orkz are a melee race.
Bamping for Tau Supremacy.
>>47070521
Confirmed as troll for using shit old image.
Ninth for Chaos players are WAAC Fags from 3.0-.5
On a scale of 1-10, how douchey is it to bring an all-knights list at 1.5-2K games?
>>47073173
Chickin is not 40K. Chinkin was removed.
>>47075485
It's not the worst thing, but they're pretty dull to play against unless you're prepared for them.
looking for this but with chaos chapters, anyone have it?
I've been sitting on Betrayal at Calth since Christmas, unsure of what I want to do. But, looking at just how far the TT has fallen as of late, would it better to just play Kill Team? What's a good Dark Angels list for Kill Team?
>>47070680
Are these new nerfs, or just the old "use common sense" nerfs?
>>47075658
>What's a good Dark Angels list for Kill Team?
As many bikes as physically possible.
>>47075658
>I've been sitting on Betrayal at Calth since Christmas, unsure of what I want to do.
Well, 30k is far better than 40k, and you have a 30k kit sitting right there...
>>47076133
They're "rule in favor of RAI/weaker interpretation" of vague RAW rules where Tau get the option of "lol that's fucking broken noway GW meant this when they wrote this shitty unclear rule" or "that's pretty good why do Tau get more special shit on top of this formation full of good units?".
It's by vote too so don't blame the organizers, the players themselves don't want to put up with an entire Tau army all benefitting from the same shared markerlights and ignore cover.
>>47076182
...that didn't answer my question.
The coordinated firepower nerf is old new by now. So did they get new nerfs, or are we still complaining about nerfs that are several months old?
>>47076195
People have only recently begun to complain about ITC being "houserules" that were "made by the biased owners of FLG", so what do you think?
When has /tg/ ever not been several years out of touch with the state of the game?
>>47076177
I have zero interest in playing HH.
![wing-leaders[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6kdrdjb.jpg "wing-leaders[1].jpg")
Did any of the new datasheets for the flyers leak yet ?
>Play space G.I. Joe
>get utterly annihilated at every game, tonks getting destroyed like t-34's in a open field filled with 88mm guns, infantry squads slaughtered even before having the change to roll some shots
>store owner gets pity of me and borrows me two knights
>get hate for fielding just one
is this the fate of the guardsman?
I've been out of touch lately, are the new FAQs up ?
are there space communists in 40k?
"New" player here. I've been reading the lore for years but never bothered to play the game.
I'd like to play with Eldars or Gray Knights. Any advice?
>>47076546
Does the book give flyer units that didn't have squadrons the ability to be squadroned?
>>47076611
>Helldrake Squadrons
>>47076607
Yeah, play IG (Astra Millitarum) instead.
>>47076576
What are you even talking about, IG is high tier even without knights.
What is your list ?
>>47076611
I may be remembering this wrong but from what was leaked up to this point apparently flyers will gain the option to be squadroned, So you take 1-4 of the same flyer for one slot in the FoC.
>>47076204
>houserules
But they are house rules. That doesn't make them bad though.
>biased
M8, when more than half the players play marines, you can bet things are biased.
People claiming otherwise are the same faggots who insist some games are objectively good. Some people need to stop using words they don't actually know what means.
>>47076607
Go to a local store that sells 40k stuff, look around and get a feel for when players are around and if there's any other places you can play, don't buy anything though that's important, do some research (maybe have a look through the codices), then build yourself a 500 point list or so and go see if anyone is willing to play a bit to show you the ropes.
I'm going through the same thing myself.
>>47076195
>>47076204
I thought most people use the ITC FAQ, even in more casual games, no?
>>47076804
>>47076204
ITC rules are fine IMO. The only bullshitty part is not allowing come the apocalypse allies but otherwise it seems reasonable and balanced.
>>47076611
Not exactly "squadron", as that makes them a unit and requires unit coherency.
Each "choice" can take up to 4 models, but they can act independantly. They just get bonuses for being in certain formations.
>>47076836
Some do, and it IS widely used - as I said, house rules aren't necessarily a bad thing. But you cannot claim they aren't house rules.
>>47076838
Yeah, they are mostly fine, my only beef with it os the lack of direction. At first it was intended to be a "global FAQ" to answer shit that GW refused to clarify. Then they started making actual rules changes. And I mean, sure, some of them are fine (Straight up nerfs lile the Tau Drone factory and Invisibility) but it just feels way off when you start nerfing certain things, but leave others be. I can understand trying to balance the game, but if they want to do that, they should actually do it, rather than nerf a few specific things, but leave other things untouched.
This way of halfassing it just feels stupid in my opinion. Either you go full balace mode, or you stick to clarifying the rules that people disagree on.
Discussions about the Tau Tidewall seems to have died off quite hard after the inital spergout we had here on /tg/, so I thought I might bring it up under less dumb conditions.
Since I run a farsight enclaves CAD, i can fit in fortifications. My initial thought was to bring it all, but that becomes expensive AND unwieldy. If we assume taking only 1 of them, that ISN'T the railgun platform, what would you prefer? The wall? The drone platform? Maybe 2 seperate pieces?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125704
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125704
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125704
SUPERIOR POLL. VERY IMPORTANT. VOTE OR YOUR MUM DIES IN HER SLEEP TONIGHT
>>47077018
>space marines and imperium being two seperate things
Are you retarded?
Why are retards even in this thread when the one that was up first is at 270 posts on page 2.
>>47070511
Real Thread
>used to play 40k when I was 12-16
>stopped after going to college because money and time
>23 now
>earning good money
>always contemplate going back but have no idea if actually playing it with the strangers at games workshop (or warhammer now whatever) would be fun
You guys play with friends or do those store meetups? Also how expensive is it really? Did it just seem like a whole lot because I was a kid or what
>>47077103
I have a decently active shop and have made a few good friends there so I usually get 3-4 games a month in.
It is still expensive but it is a very inclusive hobby in that it is more than just the game. Compared to my friends that play Magic and console games I am probably inbetween those two with hobby price.
>>47070521
Nice edition, Tau and AM are basically the same army anyway.
>>47076607
Yeah: don't bother, the tabletop is shit and all of us hate it
>>47076836
>I thought most people use the ITC FAQ, even in more casual games, no?
I'd never even heard of them until now.
So a couple of lore questions.
What is the expected fleet loadout for a Space Marine chapter? I don't mean those that are fleet-based like the Black Templars, I'm talking about your average chapter like the Ultrasmurfs, White Scars, etc.
I know the average chapter has 2 or 3 Battle Barges, with obviously larger chapters having more (especially those that don't follow the Codex for force sizes), but what about strike cruisers, support ships, etc. Any concrete info there?
Any sources on how many crew are in various tanks?
For example:
A Russ,
A Baneblade,
A Predator,
A Vindicator,
>>47077637
I think the Leman Russ cutaway had 4 crew
>>47077637
Baneblades are at least 10-
"The tank is a venerated Standard Template Construct (STC) design, with ten people needed to fully crew one. It is also one of the oldest STC designs in existence. They are often used as command vehicles by Imperial Guard commanders. "
Here is the pdf for various rules when fighting on diffrent planets. Just thought if someone here wanted it
>>47077637
Space Marine Tank crew seem to be fully armoured marines.
Not serfs, not even marines not in bulky armour whilst trying to load a fucking Demolisher cannon, fully armoured marines.
>>47077692
I'LL TAKE MY ARMOUR OFF WHEN I'M INTERRED IN A DREADNOUGHT BROTHER, AND NOT BEFORE. NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A PLANE TO PILOT.
>>47077637
Russ has 4: driver, loader, gunner, commander. Predator is 2, driver and commander, IIRC. Vindicator is probably the same. Space Marine vehicles use the Machine Spirit to aid in firing and handling multiple weapons, whereas Guard vehicles require humans to do it.
Did one of our drawfags do this? This is way too good, I feel like I owe the Emperor a vote just for this
>>47077765
The longer you look at it the better it gets
>>47076133
>>47076182
What exactly are these ITC nerfs that everyone is getting tizzy about?
No Tau where I play so I never even hear about it.
>>47076638
Baledrakes aren't that good anymore, and Hadesdrakes are getting gutted with the new supplement.
Baledrakes were only oppressively good when they could Vector Strike a transport to death and flame the dudes while they were bunched up, and that was always a fairly lucky occurrence. As soon as your enemy spread out, Baledrakes struggle to make their points back.
>>47077687
>wafer thin
Is this a monty python reference, or it that just a common saying out in England?
>>47077838
It's common enough usage.
>>47077884
OK, then what the fuck is a wafer
>looks it up
What's the best loadout for a Leman Russ squadron ? Thinking about 2 demolishers.
>>47075508
He's not talking about the chicken you ass. He's talking about the lack of Renegades.
I've hated the OP image since it debuted (what feels like) years ago, and have never stopped hating it.
How do we fix tabletop Tzeentch?
>>47077980
Make his Psychic Powers table not shit.
>>47077262
The tabletop is fine, players are fucked.
>>47077980
Once per game, an enemy squad becomes yours for the rest of the game
They were alpha legion in disguise
Ffffffuck deathballs
A slaanesh herald is I7 but if she charges trough cover she is I1 due to no assault grenades.
If I bought her a locus that gives her +5 initiative, would she be I6 or remain I1?
>>47077980
Just as planned- all enemy units lose obsec and Tzeentch marked units gain obsec for any one turn.
>>47077934
If you take Demolishers, kitting them with a heavy flamer and heavy flamer sponsons is good for area denial once you're close enough to use the cannon. An Executioner as 'squad lead' is nice, especially fitted out with plasma cannon sponsons. Gives excellent crowd control.
>>47077980
Make Thousand Sons S5 AP4 Bolters with Soulfire. Make his psychic table a mix of Telepathy and Divination (a bit like how Sanguinary is a mix of Biomancy and Pyromancy)
>>47078020
Still Int 1.
>>47078020
pretty sure it's after modifiers, so they're still I1
>>47078031
There's no point in taking anything on the Demolisher nor the regular Russ. Ordnance makes them snap fire all the rest of their weapons, so you're wasting points on weapons you're barely ever going to use. Only upgrade I'd give them is a pintle-weapon to reduce the chance of losing the main gun in case of Weapon Destroyed, but other than that sponson and hull guns are useless investments.
>>47078031
Right now I'm planning on fielding a pair of Wiverns for crowd control so I'm looking for something to deal with heavy infantry, MCs and heavy tanks.
>>47077980
The other two non-doombolt powers should be replaced. Maybe one of them should turn a model into an insane, writing mass.
Mark of Tzeentch on the Sorcerer removes the ability to cast Biomancy but now grants access to Divination and Telekinesis
Mark of Tzeentch on units without an invuln save instead get a random statline buff (Rolled on D6)
Soul blaze needs to be made not useless
Rubric Marines need to not be very expensive and are otherwise fine
>>47078064
What kind of dust are Rubric Marines? Can you snort/smoke them?
>>47076836
I play among a group of 20+
None of us use those houserules, we've only seen one player show up who was using forgeworld riptides and citing stuff from those rules that made them better.
The fact that many use the ITC houserules is a fallacy they propagate to promote their rules, which won't matter when GW releases their FAQ's very soon.
>>47078020
I1. It's stated in the initiative section that rules that "set" initiative take precedence after rules that add or subtract to it. AFAIK, locus isn't an exception (so the locus would be overwritten by your initiative being set at 1 by the charge).
>>47078091
What do you think doomrider's been doing all these years?
>>47077765
Why would Trump be supporting Sanders? They're completely different from eachother.
>>47078094
>fallacy
is a logical error in an argument. It doesn't just mean something that's wrong.
The ITCs are fine in my view, but optional. They're pretty hard on Tau though, dunno why that player would cite them unless he was being selective.
Where are you getting the idea that FAQs are coming anytime soon?
Is there anyway to make a freebooter army? Badrukk is a model but there's no troops with the bicorne or other pirate stuff.
>>47078113
Hillary killed him, and Trump has said he likes him despite their political differences
>>47078130
Badrukk leads mobs of Flash Gitz, cause he's a pretty Flash Git himself.
So, you run lots of Flash Gitz and greenstuff hats on.
>>47078130
there are some pirate gretchins, but they might be out of print
>>47077980
Give all MoT units Soul Blaze on their attacks.
>>47078064
>fix mark of Tzeentch by making it random and therefore worthless
Spotted the GW writer.
>>47078161
It's better than a 6++ invulnerable save.
>>47078147
Trump also said Carson was a child molester, then called him a great guy who he always liked
Trump will literally say anything, so that's not much of a defense.
>>47078057
Heavy flamer as the hull weapon on a Demolisher: If you get weapon destroyed, you're close enough to maybe get a chance to use it, it's free, and there's a very limited number of situations where firing a heavy flamer is more useful than a Demolisher cannon anyhow.
>>47077980
Mark of Tzeentch goes to 5++ base. Make CSM not shit.
Aspiring Sorcerer gains a wound and can buy a spell familiar and second Mastery Level, Rubrics down 2 PPM, Relentless unless no Sorcerer attached then Slow and Purposeful and mindlocked a la Servitors.
CSM get all BRB disciplines, cast Malific as DaemonsMalific should just go Chaos only, and Tzeentch Discipline is unfucked.
Icon of Flame is just an Auspex/Omnispex. Icons regain deep strike homing.
>>47078159
Better, Warpflame.
>>47078157
I've never used greenstuff, bicornes seem have a pretty simple shape so it wouldn't too difficult, right?
>>47076546
So does Skies of Death have rules for FMC or are they just left with jack shit?
>>47078213
Alternative is to buy models like:
http://knuckleduster.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=267
and chop the hats off.
>>47078231
I've heard 2 different things:
1.FMCs will get their own unique update with different bonuses for their two flight modes
2. FMCs get nothing because they were already OP.
>>47078231
>left with jack shit?
>being already good and wanting to be MORE good
Entitled Nid players, everybody!
THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING
>>47078293
Well, remember, these units are AI controlled so, of course they're going to charge the nearest unit.
>>47078293
The Codex Astartes names this maneuver Divisionary Assault.
>>47078312
>maneuver
>>47078293
>fighting a Deff Dread
>he's lost his gun and krak grenades, down to the chainsword
>ehh fuck it, go down fighting
This is what a Sweeping Advance looks like.
>>47078059
Vanquishers. With Beast Hunter shells.
>>47078267
Yes, because when someone thinks of cheese they think of Harpys and Hive Crones
Are the Eldar as cancerous if you just want to use mainly normal troops and tanks? I fucking love the aesthetic of their tanks, and Fire Prisms are one of my favourite units.
>>47078337
It was meant to be a joke anon. Nids are shit. The joke is that people would call you a WAACfag if you used Flyrants with better FMC rules.
>>47078267
>literally every flyer except the flyrant is iffy
>some of them have rules that don't even make sense anymore since the codex HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN ALMOST TWO EDITIONS
>Please update our flyer rules
Entitlement. Right. So that's what it looks like.
>>47078344
Cancerous? Not necessarily. OP? Yes.
I think of Cancerous as "unfun to play against," but people can have fun playing against Eldar as long as you use as little D and as few Wraithknights as possible.
An Aspect Host, for instance, is damn fluffy and pretty alright to play against.
>>47078196
On the other hand, stubber and hull HB give the tank something to do beyond 24".
>>47078368
>mfw my lgs meta is Knightspam, wraithwings, and Tau gunlines
>mfw I'm playing orks
>>47078059
Guard have a lot of ways to deal with that. Vets meltaspam, Vanquishers (add in Beast Hunter shells if you also want to rekt TEQ and MC's), and the mighty Battle Tank (good against literally everything that's not flying).
An interesting, often underused option against super-heavies is the Manticore. This is covered on the wiki (I wrote that tactical note) but I'll put it here:
Between the d3 shots, S10 ordnance and the generally large size of super-heavies, a storm eagle is statistically likely to score 2 or so glances/pens against an enemy super-heavy each shooting phase. If the enemy has no real blobs or other, more appropriate targets to deal with, the Manticore can actually be a pretty cost-effective choice against a Super-Heavy vehicle. Without support, it'll probably take several turns to bring it down, but it's reliable damage, and the value of that can't be understated.
>>47078376
In that case why not just have the commander throw his shoes at them. Longer range than a stubber and more damage.
I say stick to the main gun and nothing else.
>>47078357
See above, anon-kun.
>>47078392
That's your fault then. Typical Orkfag logic. Instead of changing how they play or the army, they keep banging their head against an apparently insurmountable problem, then complaining their heads hurt.
Typical.
>>47078368
I played against an Aspect Host with my Emperor's Wrath formation the first time I took on Eldar. Still got my clock cleaned, but it wasn't a D-fest.
>>47078432
>Why aren't you buying a new army that isn't your favourite because a handful of forces are the only ones worth playing to win in a metalist environment
>>47078404
>>47078331
What's beast hunter shells ? Can find them in the codex.
>>47078432
>it's your fault for not buying a "good" army
nice b8
>>47078444
That's the point
Without D at least you can feel like most of your positioning and unit choice mean something.
Without a GC to shoot at, at least you feel like your attacks are doing something.
>>47078460
IA1 I think.
>>47078414
>I say stick to the main gun and nothing else.
Well that's what I've been saying the whole time.
My only points about the stubber is that in terms of buying weapon upgrades for the Demolisher, it's about the only one you have any reason to sink points into, if for nothing else, the fact that it reduces the chance of losing the main gun from 50% to 33%.
>>47078454
>>47078470
>how they play OR
>OR
>OR
And Orkfags can't read it seems.
>>47078523
>implying there's a way to play Orks that can compete with WAAC Eldar, Tau, or Space Marines
>>47078523
Orks don't have efficient answers to Super Heavies and struggle overall to fight heavy flyer/mech lists. That's why they are considered one of the worst race crunch-wise.
On a waac tier meta, it's near impossible for an Ork army to win, even when relying on stupidly cheesy lists.
>>47078553
The only move is not to play...
>Or unbound Custom Stompa swarm???
>>47078523
>How they play
Baseless assumption that anon is playing wrong
>OR the army
Still encouraging the habit of buying a completely new army because your favourites can't deal with metalists.
Playing the wrong way definitely isn't a prerequisite for getting hammered as Orkz. You can play the cheesiest, most horrible list that they can physically summon and still be wiped by Eldar/Tau metalists.
I'm sure you could have come to these conclusions if you put any amount of thought into it.
>>47078344
Still a very strong force, but not quite as insane.
>>47078553
Go Unbound. Or go Gretchen swarms to camp objectives.
>>47078561
Then you just have to outright not play and find a better group. You either play and expect to lose 99% of the time and 'enjoy' it, or you leave and join another group which doesn't have douchebags. Yet it seems you'd rather bang your head against WAACfags you'd struggle to win 50% of the games even with a good dex and then moan that you can't win, then trying to fix the situation. Unless they're unredeemable cunts, ask them to go easy on you, if they deny, then go "I don't want to play with an army that will beat me on turn 1, bye"
>>47078580
You misunderstood.
>Anon knows they're WAACfags
>Still brings Orks to the table despite knowing they're WAACfags
>Still brings Orks to the table despite knowing they're WAACfags with top tier dexs
>Complains that they struggle
Either ask them to tone it down, play another army, or leave. Again, banging your head on the wall and complaining your head hurts.
>>47078460
Imperial Armor, volume 1. Here's how you get them:
>Take an Armored Battlegroup Allied Detachment
>Make a Command Vanquisher your HQ Choice
>Buy BH shells, and for extra fun buy a coaxial heavy stubber and Artificer hull
>take a Thunderer (basically a better vindicator) as a troops choice
Poof. For about 400 points you get the Guard version of a vindicator and a tank that can one-shot Riptides from across the board, and can get twin-linking if its target is within 36".
>>47076735
Have you not played for two editions? IG is not high tier at all.
>>47078483
>>47078627
Thanks, I'll look into it.
>>47077103
Pickup games are cancer. Play with friends, preferably at home or at a private club.
>>47078659
IG is high middle tier. Their big issue is that the tier one armies all handle them easily.
If you don't play against Tau, Eldar, or Space Marines with Formations, IG are fantastic.
>>47076607
If you really want to start playing, be sure you are okay with selling your soul, your firstborn and several organs and limbs to acquire the money you need.
>>47078627
I always wondered, what's /tg/'s opinion on that unique tank in IA1... I think it's called Obyren o Obyron or something. Mars Pattern Russ?
>>47078659
IG is good at some things, terrible at others. IMO without attaching priests/psykers/commissars their infantry is shit but they have some of the most point efficient vehicles in the game. They hands down have the best transport
>>47078691
40K isn't that expensive of a hobby tho. Getting a fully playable 1.5k army is cheaper than getting a mtg deck for modern and arguably provides more time of entertainment.
It's all about perspective I guess.
>>47078691
40k isn't that expensive, especially not compared to other hobbies.
>>47078737
>>47078738
hobby mind
>>47070521
standard guard training is best training too though.
>>47078681
I'm just getting into the game, but how do I even do this? How do you find a circle of friends to play with without playing pickup games?
>>47078738
At least compared to sailing or space travel...
>>47078724
Good vehicles in an edition where vehicles are weak isn't saying much.
>>47078344
Strong? Yes. But anyone who complains about Eldar using infantry and tanks are fucking faggots.
>>47078781
>an edition where vehicles are weak
Is this bait ? Tankhammer had never been so much a thing than since the introduction of hullpoints.
>>47078776
Or lots of other hobbies. Four track tyres (that last maybe a day) cost more than an army.
A year's supply of paintballs costs more than an army.
A single day's training costs more in tuition and ammo than an army.
>>47078806
Are you stupid or a newfag? Vehicles were stronger in every edition after 2nd than they are in 7th.
>>47078776
Or Golf. Or Riding. Or Tennis.
What should I expect about the Eldar at 600 pts?
>>47078691
>>47078776
40k isn't expensive though. Unless you're literally telling everybody to buy a 10k army from GW direct, all the paints, tools, hobby cases and modelling supplies from them as well, in one go?
Every hobby on the planet is expensive. That's why it's called a hobby.
If you buy one box a month, you'll have an army soon enough. If you buy armies from Ebay, even cheaper.
This meme has to stop, it's a meme which perpetuates the idea that GW is somehow super expensive when it isn't at all. There is literally no difference between GW and any other hobby.
>>47078862
I would still argue that 30 eurobucks for a mono-pose character is BS
>>47078915
eh. For minis of comparable quality its not to much more. Besides that the expensive character blisters are really just optional fancy minis. There's nothing stopping you just converting a guy from a unit kit for your characters. SM captain from sternguard/vanguard vet or necron lords/crypteks from the lychguards kit are common examples I've seen a lot.
>>47078846
Holly shit do the maths retard. Heavy and artillery damage tables gone, heavy tanks benefits from the new system. Yes light vehicle suffer more due to superficial damage chipping away hull points but everything with AV13+ is way stronger than it was before.
I don't expect a retarded imbred fuck like you to grasp basic algebra but at the very least don't spout shit about things you don't understand you subhuman mongoloid piece of shit.
Do you think Agility and Pursuit stats alone will make decent otherwise unremarkable or bad flyers?
>>47078961
Lol god damn
Are Night Spinners worth anything?
>>47078915
Correct, but you don't need to buy it to represent what it does. It's also, for the quality (yes, it is higher than lots of companies, regardless of what /tg/ memes) it's not bad.
Again. In 2000, a Tactical Marine box was £15. In 2016, if you apply inflation, that's £22.50. In 2016 a Tactical Marine box is £25. You get more weapons and customization options now for that extra £2.50. Plus I think they get rules in the box now? I've not bought Tacticals for 16 years.
>>47078973
They'll make Orks even worse than they already are.
>>47078973
the change too only Fighters getting skyfire will probably do that more. Most of the mediocre flyers are the fighter ones that have lacked the kind of firepower people like to point at ground targets. But now that something like the vendetta doesn't have skyfire anymore the nephellim is now a more decent AA choice since skyfire is a rarer thing too come across.
If its enough i dunno but its something.
>>47079023
I like how many extra bolters I have laying around from all the tactical boxes I've bought.
Some day I will make a guy dual wielding bolters and talk my friend into letting me use him for something.
>>47078432
Typical WAAC faggot that's the cancer killing the hobby.
>>47078775
Find your closest FLGS
Go visit during a time when they say they have 40k players
Scout it out
If all they are doing is grav and superheavy spam, you might wanna avoid
>>47078961
Wew lad, someone failed maths
In 5th, 3 glances did not kill a rhino. In 7th, it does. Don't need math to realize were you're wrong there
>>47078699
You refer to herr Maximilian Weissman, and his baneblade Arethusa.
It's bitchin'.
>Ever using plasma pistols
Why do people do this?
>>47079080
Well, he's one of them. But there is another guy, he's in a Leman Russ.
I think he gives +1BS to the squadron he's in? I can't remember. I'll have to go through my books to find IA1 Second Edition.
>>47079124
Because Salamanders can make them Master Crafted for free and Cypher can use it as a melee weapon (so S7 AP2 melee attacks).
>>47078961
No, even heavy tanks are easier to kill (and much more predictable to kill which is a major problem).
Just look at what's winning major tournaments now and in 5th.
>>47078961
But big tanks are still susceptible to Melta one-shots, there are far more D weapons, Grav (!!!), Haywire, and auto-glance bullshit. This is not a fun time to be a tank.
>>47078961
Your entire 'argument' is shot down by:
the vehicle damage table
monstrous creature rules
>>47078747
Can't resell that 40k for full price at all. Magic decks are an investment, 40k armies are a dollar sink.
>>47079023
Counterpoint to that is the absurdly low cost of production.
>>47079135
General Grizmund. He's pricey, but MEAN. He gives BS4 to a single squadron in his detachment and every tank within 12" re-rolls the first missed to-hit roll in the shooting phase. Pair with a squadron of vanquishers to turn every vehicle on the board inside-out.
>>47079169
Counterpoint to that is the absurdly high cost of molds, R&D, and keeping the brick and mortars alive.
>>47079124
Rule of cool, Anon.
>>47079124
My rogue trader has a best quality plasma pistol so it never jams.
Its a wrath so the only thing more dangerous is a storm bolter or autocannon.
And i have two plasma pistols.
>>47078862
This
Aside from the expensive blisters the kits aren't even that much
If you think space marines are expensive at 4 dollars a model msrp look at reaper miniatures which are usually 7 or 8 dollars msrp, yet nobody whines about them.
Do you need the 30 dollar blisters? No
Can you just buy used off eBay and convert? Yes
![Epic-necron-aeonic-orb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/et618zG.jpg "Epic-necron-aeonic-orb[1].jpg")
>reading shit
>come across this
How the fuck does this thing not collapse into a black hole by existing
>>47079161
>monstrous creature rules
Yes, MCs are so fucking OP, just look at Tyranid Warriors and Tyrants on foot.
>>47079463
>Tyranid Warriors
>>47079168
>Magic decks are an investment, 40k armies are a dollar sink.
>Keksburg
Magic is paper with arbitrary value, one that shifts from 0 to whatever based on if the card is even legal for play.
If you want to invest, use the stock market. Magic can die anytime, and chinaman fakeys are killing your value.
Futhermore, if you take a box of tacticals and assemble, paint and magnetize it well enough, you can sell it for MSRP easily. Same goes for any model really.
>>47078691
It's cheaper to make a 40k army than it is to buy a games console + needed stuffs and 1-2 games.
>>47079463
I wont bother pointing out any of the several reasons you're a fucking retard.
>>47078392
Then change the meta. Come to a game one day and have 6 KillBursta Tanks, supported by Supa Kannon Batteries and lootas in Wall of Martyrs Bunkers. Use them to Out-shoot Tau with your superior superheavies and glorious long-range shooting.
Nothing says FUCK OFF TAU, KNIGHTS, and WRAITHWING, like Strength D Massive Blast. And six of them. From one end of the board to the other.
Do you gusy usually make up your own rules and stuff for custom pieces of terrain and whatnot?
>>47079416
Wait what? Broken Sword? Thats not the logo of Dark Angels but Deathwing.
Can someone explain to me what this theory about the Emperor dying and becoming an actual (maybe) Chaos God?
>>47079854
Because he is being fed by untold number of psyker souls every day for the past 10,000 years and his appetite is growing by the day.
>>47079463
>vehicles are most powerful inn 7th
>vanilla russes are a good unit
>tyranid warriors are MCs
This has to all be the same retard, right?
>>47079854
Emperor is sort of like Cthulhu, alive but dead on the golden throne, strongly connected to the warp and affects things there, like the chaos gods.
Chaos god represent several key aspects of life in an unfiltered form psychic warp form. Emp's is like against all that cuz muh heresy.
There is also an forgotten god Malal or Malice which is like anti-chaos-gods chaos god. Essentially on the side of imperium. One theory is Malal is Emp's raw psychic energy manifested.
>>47076984
The drone platform is very cost effective, but at the same time you'd need a reason to use the drones, and a unit to sit on the disc to benefit from the rerolls.
>play DE as one of my armies
>hate shitcast to the point of anything being resin ends up not being purchased
I mean I can field and play decently with the plastic options, but literally half of DE models are resin.
Shit like Mandrakes and Incubi have metal molds that I could track down if I cared enough, but still.
How do you people deal with "fine"cast?
>>47079854
Nothing. Just a lie Imperials like to tell to themselves to made themselves feel better.
>>47080199
I suck it up because it's only special HQs for space marines and I can deal with that. Much as I hate the material, the sculpts are worth it.
>>47078267
If you have Skies of Death in effect, but don't have a flying vehicle in reserves while your enemy does, you automatically get -1 to reserves while the flyer opponent gets +1 or +2.
Nids FMC may be good, but they literally have no way to counter this handicap. And Nid's didn't need any more handicaps to begin with.
Are the interceptor drones still equipped with Skyfire? Could the Sunshark be one of the only decent bombers vs other planes?
>>47080199
>want to play aspect eldar
>ALL FINECAST
please
>>47080249
If they have skyfire (never even glanced at their profile since thewhole unit is shit) then they will have skyfire.
>>47080264
>>ALL FINECAST
>>47080287
Interceptor drones are pretty good. Some people would love them, if you could deploy them without the Sunshark.
>>47079452
>How the fuck does this thing not collapse into a black hole by existing
Necrons.
>>47080249
The Tau datasheets haven't been leaked yet.
>>47079854
>Big E
>Dying
TAKE IT BACK TAKE IT BACK!
>>47080294
You post a guardian with a different head
That's not good enough. At best shining spears aren't 100% finecast, but everything else is unless you OOP
>>47080294
>MOSTLY ALL FINECASTsorry
>>47079206
That's it. Thank you anon.
The reason I liked it was due to the Super Heavy Formation counts as a single squadron, so you can make them BS4 without forking out for the Target sponsons.
But yeah, Vanquishers is great. Or Executioners. Or Punishers. That'd be neat. BS4 for three against GEQ's.
>>47079437
As I said, it's a meme. People repeat what they hear and they don't even play 40k. There is a heavy Anti-GW sentiment on /tg/, which is why recasters are hyped (unless you ask for emails, then gtfo no spoonfeeding!!!!!!111one!111)
>>47079452
Space Magic. Also the "go to" items to show how best power race Necrons are.
>>47080199
There are lots of good proxy models (relative to failcast) I think Raging Heroes(?) does some or is doing some.
>>47079854
Theory basically goes
>Incredibly powerful psyker
>Worshippers have manifested actual blessings
And it's possible that if he died on the throne that might free him to be the warp god of humanity and continue the battle against Chaos that he started while alive.
Some fluff could be used as a justification, like Targutai Yesugei's vision in Brotherhood Of The Storm, where he makes a choice between accepting the gift of the chaos gods and refusing them. Representations of the 4 gods and of the Emperor are there.
>He was like the four beast-figures. There was some relationship between them, something I could sense but did not understand. The four were scared of Him.
>>47080343
Stop talking out your ass, they are entirely different kits, weapons, suits, helmets, backpacks.
>>47079452
>Star
>Artillery
Is this thing meant to be a Space or a Land weapon?
>>47080395
Open your eyes, the kits are so similar that only a fancy head and tiny gubbins change the model.
>>47076984
You can't take two pieces unless you're taking two CADs
>>47077018
You forgot the OP is a faggot option.
>>47079854
Basically. The Emperor was a super gestalt entity powered by loadsa shamans. He was super powerful and was killing the Chaos Gods until the heresy happened.
He then went 'into hiding'.
One of the longest running things in 40k is the Golden Throne is failing and nobody knows why. The Ad Mech have even gone to Commorragh to trade with the Dark Eldar for technology to help this (possibly clone tech, so Age of the Emperor can be made when the Emperor model is released by Forge World).
:::HEAD CANON ZONE:::
My headcanon is that the Golden Throne is failing due not to a mechanical failing, but due to it being unable to control the power the Emperor now has.
Think about it. The Chaos Gods get their power from souls and worship. Well, what does the Emperor have? Souls, at least 10k a day for 10,000 years AND trillions, if not quadrillions of people worshipping him every day. He is essentially being powered the same way the Chaos Gods are powered. This means the Emperor has been gathering souls and power for 10k years, that's a lot of XP. The Golden Throne wasn't designed to hold the Emperor, it was designed to hold Magnus.
So now it's breaking and the reason is cause the Emperor is insanely powerful now. The End Game being the Emperor comes back and allows all the pyskers in the Imperium to use their full powers without fear of warp rifts and thus scour the warp clear.
>>47080359
Sorry, anon, but he can only buff tank squadrons from his own detachment. That's one LoW choice at most, which means one baneblade.
Besides, all the Super-Heavies use blast weapons, where the difference between BS3 and BS4 isn't all that great.
>executioners
Those are blasts, which don't roll to-hit (they roll scatter), meaning the re-rolls don't work. Did you mean exterminators? They're already twin-linked. It's basically for Punishers and vanquishers; every other tank weapon is either a template, blast, or is already twin-linked to begin with.
FAQ drafts have landed on Facebook, this is not a drill.
>>47080264
just do what I did. Troll ebay for the old metals, and kit bash the rest
Swooping hawks
GW just posted the First Draft for their FAQ.
>>47080517
oops forgot pic
>>47080519
pic related
>>47080490
>>47080519
Is it shut up and buy more models nerds over and over again?
>>47080533
howling banshee
That feel when no dark eldar gf
>>47077818
Baledrakes become significantly better when you're playing a table with heavy terrain. That Ignores Cover becomes a godsend, and since most people will cluster their units in cover, they tend to be far less spread out than they otherwise would be.
>>47080479
Isn't the Super Heavy formation only one FoW choice? It's in the Warzone Damocles thing and is only listed as one FoW I think
As for the re-rolls, I was thinking more of the BS4 boost.
>>47080490
FInally, Quantum Shield and Lance now cancels one another.
>>47080303
I'd take interceptor drones in a heartbeat if I could get then separate.
>>47080557
I don't think it'd be a very long relationship.
>>47080545
>>47080519
Link? I don't know about normiebook.
>>47080551
dark reapers. also have some fire dragons and starting on my warp spiders
most of this is dark eldar kits, because they aren't finecast and come with tons of extra bits. Add it bits from guardians and dire avengers.
My only finecast models are my farseers, and he's from ebay as well.
>>47080470
>It's a HFY guy doesn't grasp 40k episode
>>47070587
>Q: How many shooting attacks can I do when firing Overwatch?
>A: As many as the model can fire in the Shooting phase.
Suck a fat one.
>>47080419
There isn't much of a distinction when Necrons are involved.
Weapons with 2 profiles can use both in the same turn unless specifically stated otherwise.
Neato, guess I can switch to using my Triarch guys again.
>>47079534
>modern
Sure standard is volatile, but modern holds value way longer.
>spend hours and hours of time on your models and you can maybe get your money back!
This is why people are more attracted to card games than tabletop. You can be smart with trends and actually make money off of cards, and instantly replace decks when a new one is better, vs dealing with cost sink fallacies making the game infinitely less competetive.
>>47080519
>>47080490
...Well KFF confirmed for being even more worthless, does not help passengers embarked in tranports against No Escape.
>>47080594
That's old as fuck canon as well. Good job proving him wrong, mate. You gonna link the Rogue Trader fluff about SoB being Anti-Marines next?
>>47080557
>tfw no craftworld eldar gf
>>47080682
Okay lets go with HH series lore.
-The Emperor is a Perpetual human from Terra.
-He stole his powers from the Chaos Gods
-Should the Emperor draw near the Chaos Gods again, then he will die for real.
>>47080707
yangzheyy needs to do some SoBshowering, tastefully, together, I'd ask him to do it as a commission but I don't want to sign up to DA and get told no :(
>>47080707
Which is probably for the best because a farseer's putting her up to it, or she's going through a rebellious streak. Could
>>47080757
>BL
Tip top lel. Guess Eldar like IG tanks cause they've got great armour!
>>47080636
people are attracted to card games over table top because it lacks the hobby aspect. They don't want to spend time modeliing and painting.
People who like the table top typically like modeling and painting.
Very very few people actually make money buying and selling magic cards, at most they reduce the cost to do the thing that they like.
If you don't like modeling and painting, that's fine. If you do, that is also fine. But please don't act like most people who play magic do it to make money. It a thing they spend money on because they find it fun. Same as 40k.
>>47078368
Aspect host spamming warp spiders is the only broken Eldar atm, /tg/ is always 6 months behind the meta
>>47080707
>Freckles
You dare taint superior Eldar waifus with human imperfections?
>>47080490
And it's.... Okay.
>>47080782
Like it or not, they are modern canon and everything that enters the HH series is reviewed and okay'ed by the IP manager and GW executives.
So that means that the Emperor is a thief on burrowed time. According the Beast series, the Chaos Gods are circling Terra like sharks waiting for a whale to die.
>>47080817
Can Eldar have freckles?
>>47080824
>GW executives.
And this explains too much of modern lore.
>>47080777
What are you even trying to say
>>47080599
Rules didn't stipulate this, so I'm glad we have a real answer on the issue
Oh and go fuck yourself for guessing and being right on a 50% chance
>>47080519
Q: Do Flyers, Super-heavy vehicles, Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures and Gargantuan Creatures gain cover while standing on the ‘base’ of a terrain piece, e.g. ruins or dense thickets, or do they need to be at least 25% obscured by the scenery for cover to apply?
A: The 25% rule applies in all types of terrain if the target is a Flyer, Super-heavy Vehicle, Flying Monstrous Creature or Gargantuan Creature. All other targets count as being in cover if they are in or on the terrain’s base, even if not 25% obsured.
>>47079124
Because now my shitty guardsmen Sargent can kill a terminator
>>47080874
>>47080874
not that guy, but
>you claim you are absolutely right
>he claims he is absolutely right
>he wins
he has a right to rub it in your face. you were so sure of yourself. now your just being a sore loser. basically you sound like a crybaby right now.
