Where did it all go so wrong?
>>47062795
When they removed banners from squad leaders and green rims from bases
>>47062795
When Goodwin took the wheels from Priestly, somewhere around mid 5th ed.
When Games Workshop became a publicly traded company accountable to shareholders.
>Sometimes I open my old White Dwarf
>I see this small armies
>A captain, two 5-man Tac, one transport, maybe termies or assault marines.
>Small but crafted and painted with love
>"The army of this Anon is truly astonishing" say the description
>"I'm having so much fun with this army" says him in the interview
>I die a little everytime
>>47063332
>Fat stack of old WDs upstairs
>Can't bring myself to read through the battle reports because I know I'll want more
>There are even a couple of Apoc bat-reps up there
>>47062795
The moment you became a nostalgia fag.
>>47062795
When people didn't stop buying stuff and wanted ever larger armies to field all their stuff with. People rag on GW but they sell stuff people buy.
>>47064668
So do crack dealers.
>>47064668
>wanted ever larger armies
>wanted
Actually I'm pretty sure this push is what killed Fantasy.
>>47062795
When you didn't invest 1,5 second to flip your pic.
>>47065070
So does every individual that operates in a free market
>>47062795
After the summer of 2004. That was the begining of the end of cool GW.
>>47065773
>1,5
>,
typical euro who can't invest in making his own life better instead of relying on others to do it for him. This is all in-browser too. No tomfoolery with programs to make an edited image.
>>47065736
Probably, but many players wanted that and GW just never stopped making the armies bigger and the kits more expensive. The point is, the death of WHFB is in part the player's fault.
>>47064477
Yes, it will just me make want to go back to a better time that I can't ever have back. It makes me feel weaker as an adult, but I also can't bring myself together to throw them away. I know that there is quality content in them, proof that Games Workshop used to be something greater than it is now and that the people working there put their joy into the magazine.
I liked 3rd edition Grey Knights
What I miss most of all the is the 5'th and 6'th edition WHFB minis and artstyle.
>>47065930
>selling crack is ok
>>47064668
I always liked smaller games and always felt huge games took way too long.
>>47066607
And rules.
>>47066857
The fluff was also not terrible like it is today.
>>47066883
True that, it got shat upon with 8th edition and the ET.
>>47066737
If people want to buy it, then sure, why not?
Go away you marxist.
>>47066737
Just like selling ammunitions, prescription drugs or pornography is ok...
The product isn't the issue here, it's about who sells to whom under which conditions
>>47062922
Most Shareholders don't give a fuck about GW, because it's simply not significant. It's a tiny number that's automatically bought and sold by algorythms.
All of this is due to Kirby taking over in the early-mid nineties. It just took ten years for the rot to reach the surface.
>>47066936
Yea, that was very terrible. I can't remember any 8'th edition fluff that I enjoyed reading and the End Times is some of the worst WHFB fluff I have ever read. You can tell that they retconned a lot of things just to get the end times to happen. As a long time fan of the Undead fluff I just thought everything about it was terrible and that they ruined a lot about what made it cool.
Thank God that I haven't read any of the Age of Sigmar fluff beyond the synopsis. Somehow it actually seem like it is worse than the End Times and it's clearly not WHFB.
>>47064477
I think I can top that
> own the WD with WHFB legendary battles rules
>can literally never be done again due to the sheer amount of models
>not even remotely balanced
>one of the few that I kept
>can't read it again for fear of the shame of what WHFB has become
>>47067151
>It's a tiny number that's automatically bought and sold by algorythms.
Algorithms that will start dumping the stock if the company doesn't report enough profit.
>>47067151
>>47067905
GW isn't really a big speculating value historically, it's a rather safe value that's good to have in a portfolio. I doubt its price is actually much dependant on automated trading.
3rd edition ruined it all
40K is only fun at larger points for me. The inherent imbalance of the game starts to even out a little as all armies get wider access to crazy shit.
Unfortunately, no one can match my stamina for these games, so my group sticks to 1500 point games.
I don't get Oldhammer nostalgia. The rules allow for more people to run more lists closer to what they like, and the models have never looked better. The only legit complaint I see in these threads is the game balance, and 40K has never been balanced.
>>47068742
Oldhammer was a simpler time. Cheese strats didn't spread so quickly, and cheaper models meant strong units were easier to acquire if one appeared.
>>47066047
>I've enough free time to spare to troll you.
>>47068742
Because the game would be ideal if it was designed to be good at smaller sizes. You are entirely correct about the state of the game and it only being fun at larger sizes though. 40K is a mass battle game that is designed to sell as many miniatures as possible.
>>47062866
>first post is best response
Good job, /tg/. Keeping the tradition alive.
>>47068869
>>47068742
>40K is only fun at larger points for me.
People like this are why the game is so shit now and has gotten steadily more and more shitty since 5E.
People actually played at 2500 and 2000 because of people like this. Just go play Apocalypse instead of ruining 40k you faggots.
>>47068742
>the models have never looked better
I disagree. I liked how GW tried to move away from heroic scale in WHFB around 15-17 years ago. The minis had just the right levels of realism mixed with grittiness and decorative details. Then around 2005-2007 their WHFB minis started to look like ass and they only got worse by the year.
>>47069051
They started to look like ass because they went the 40k way of adding skulls and shittyness everywhere.
Barefoot empire state troops ffs.
>>47063332
Just play 500-750 point games all painted. I think 1 Captain, 10 Tacticals, 1 elite squad is about 500 points. The small points will also remove excuses for the opponent to say "I don't have enough painted to play only painted".
Of course there's going to be the faggot who brings two Riptides.
>>47067027
>only marxists object to drug abuse
>>47067105
>ammo, medicine and porn are just as bad as crack
>>47066441
Truly beautiful models.
>>47064668
This
It obviously behooves GW if you need to buy more to play the game, but the people who bought two times what you need to actually play and wanted that to be supported also share at least of the blame.
>>47065736
And the people who remained with Fantasy saw no problem with it. I saw plenty who were looking for other games when AoS hit who had the stipulation that it be a mass combat game.
>>47067688
>it's clearly not WHFB.
Gee, you think?
>>47068742
Honestly, I've kind of come around to preferring smaller army sizes simply because it's not as much of a time investment and at least doesn't feel like as much of a money one. I like the idea that if I enjoy multiple armies I can actually play them.
I don't mind the big models though and think they're pretty cool. Can't understand the people who have a loathing for them.
>>47069074
They also started giving the Empire more demonic faces than Chaos for some reason.
>>47069123
Too bad you were fucked if you wanted more than one squad of each. Monopose is a double-edged sword.
>>47069051
>WHFB
Noone gives a shit
>>47069132
>I don't mind the big models though and think they're pretty cool. Can't understand the people who have a loathing for them.
I just hated the idea of big models for the sake of big models and a lot of them just seemed like random ideas.
>>47069117
>giving terrorists the tools to kill innocents
>prescription pills can't be abused
>porn can't include things like sodomy, pedophilia, or rape
Anything can be bad depending on how it's used.
>>47069025
Did you install that rotate addon just to make that gif?
Or did you install it because too many morons keep posting Apple product flipped images on 4chan?
Not sure which answer is worse.
>>47069182
>Noone gives a shit
Neither does GW, cunt.
>>47069253
Why would you want to uncomfortably tilt your head to read an image?
>>47069074
Seriously, go play fucking historicals if you want shit that is all prim and proper and conforms to historical accuracy rather than using history as an inspiration.
Only stick to certain periods or non-European armies though so you don't get triggered by the symbolism of death and mortality at least being occasionally present.
>>47069238
The big models exist because it is actually feasible to produce them. I can bet no one envisioned the Greater Daemons as these monstrosities and then purposefully sculpted them to be small.
For randomness you'd have to give some examples, but a lot of them are drawn from older lore or even pictures.
>>47069383
There is a fucking big difference between prim and proper historicals and barefoot retards in pyjamas carrying enough bones to give necromancers a field day in a country known for its woods, cold winters and the fact that necromancers are kinda common.
>>47069238
I like the fact that we have cool shit like Trygons and Bloodthirsters and other stuff. Knights were kind of random but are fucking cool.
>>47069469
The barefoot troopers I'll give you since I don't think that makes much sense either, but you vastly overestimate how many bones are actually carried.
>>47069025
