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>>46979583
>>46979736
So, last thread I was thinking over the games I could potentially run, and I mentioned an idea I had for a Gothic Horror fantasy setting with Lovecraftian elements, a la Bloodborne and the recent Shadows Over Innistrad magic block.
How well would that work with Mage? Or, probably just Proximi, but still using a lot of Mage setting aspects, like the Orders and the Abyss. Which could very well be a cause for Madness.
>>46979785
For someone who has never played Bloodborne you like to post bloodborne pictures
>>46979849
Don't need to have played a game to appreciate it's look.
That's from Shadows Over Innistrad, though.
>>46979583
What the fuck is star wars day?
>>46979890
it looks EXACTLY like bloodborne.
>>46979894
May 4th. As in May the 4th be with you.
>>46979899
That's because Bloodborne's primary aesthetic is Victorian horror.
>>46979910
But the lamps and the weird growth thing. Like for realsies
>>46979894
May The Fourth be with you.
>>46979899
Innistrad and Bloodborne are both Gothic Horror. The most recent Innistrad block is bringing in Lovecraftian Horror, with mechanics like Madness and Delirium, angels going insane, and cultists and zombies being driven to create strange twisted rock formations that seem to be summoning something.
Possibly this giant reality devouring otherworldly horror from the Blind Eternities, the chaotic and maddening realm outside of reality. Note it's fingerly tendrils and the things on the Bearer of Overwhelming Truth's neck and shoulder.
Either that or Wizards is introducing Lovecraftian Horror but NOT their terrifying madness inspiring Lovecraftian Elder Gods.
>>46979937
I don't know when the artwork was commissioned; it's possible that's an intentional inspiration, but it's probably just that they're drawing on the same sources of both Gothic Horror and Lovecraft.
I have a cardboard prop of one of those lanterns that I took from a friend who went to the prerelease.
>>46979973
what kind of enemies would Victorian and lovecraftian horror be?
A lot of weird changlings and shapeshifters I guess
>>46979849
He's never played MtG either.
But he watches Lets Plays.
So does this mean Beast backers already have MtA2e?
>>46980168
Magic The Gathering has lets plays?
>>46980184
Yeah
It's a bit of a letdown desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJCQ_BUksM
A Fetch finally encounters their Changeling?
>>46980055
Victorian/gothic horror is basically all the old standbys - werewolves, vampires, mad scientists. Look at 1920s Universal Horror pictures.
Lovecraftian horror enemies are usually things beyond mortal ken - not necessarily Cthulhu, but creatures that are just entirely outside human experience like living colors from space, or giant ectoplasmic infants growing under the basement of a house and making everyone in that house sick, or a family so isolated and inbred they've mutated over many generations into cannibal monkey-mole people. Mad cults devoted to alien gods are also popular.
>>46980055
Innistrad is filled with vampires, werewolves, geists (spirits of the dead), Demon cultists, elemental horrors, and Angels, lead by one created by the Vampire Planeswalker to keep vampires (and other monsters) from killing all the humans in their hedonistic bloodlust and running out of food.
Currently, the vampire planeswalker's ex is pissed off and wrecking shit because he threw her in a magical silver prison filled with demons for a couple thousand years, and when she finally got out she learned that her D&D on steroids home plane was getting wrecked by Lovecraftian horrors that they locked away back before their breakup. She's also possibly being driven mad by someTHING. And she's driving others mad as well.
The head angel is also bugfuck insane, and the angels are purging humanity through inquisitions. And, uh. Daddy had to kill his little girl. We're not to that part in the weekly stories, but it's on one of the cards. Current theory is that the last of the three Lovecraftian Horrors (big H) is causing the Lovecraftian horror (little h) on the plane.
If you want to see what kind of things go on in the setting, though, here's the card gallery
http://magiccards.info/query?q=%2B%2Be%3Asoi%2Fen&v=scan&s=issue
Basically, I'm thinking of running a Mage game in a setting similar to this and Bloodborne, with that whole mix of Gothic and Cosmic Horror.
>>46980205
It does, actually. It was actually on ESPN way back in the late 90s, but didn't catch on. Now that World Series Poker and all that introduced cams that show the hands and they've got stuff to show the audience the cards, it's caught on on Youtube.
https://youtu.be/Ibn5E82t77o?list=PL7atuZxmT954tuse5BmPzrVwPDogUKaxi
I don't actually watch it, though.
>>46980205
Sorta. Some people stream themselves playing Magic Online.
>>46980237
why is poker way more cooler then MTG?
MtG is only slightly Tolerable because of Josh Barnett
>>46980240
They also show the Pro-Tours online. My friend Top 8s a lot of local events and his Chrome start up page is nothing but porn and Magic matches.
Man, I didn't mean to derail the thread, though...
I just wanted to get people's opinion on whether this kind of thing would fit with Mage, and get ideas on how to do it. I don't know whether Proximi or Mage would be more appropriate for the players to play as. Proximi don't really get the full Mage experience, like Creative Thaumaturgy, but I'm also less likely to get something from out of left field that completely wrecks any plans I had.
Even more than most games, I question my ability to run Mage (or Demon) because of the sheer power of the powers...
Hey, Dave, if you're still around, any suggestions on that front? How do I run Mage without getting tripped up when a character decides to do something like teleport to a different city, or create a nuke?
>>46980265
Poker isn't for nerds.
Well, it is, but most people don't realize that.
>>46980237
it's more werewolf/hunter but you can do mage
mages aren't the "roll in and kick ass" type, they're investigators
>>46980403
>mages aren't the "roll in and kick ass" type
Well you say that
>>46980403
I'm talking about investigation stuff.
The original idea was going to be a Halloween one shot where the players were monster hunters on their way to some OTHER thing and the town they were staying at for the night had a vicious murder.
man I really need to read more Lovecraft the guy was a fucking genius. He really had a way of words that made everything unsettling and even when there wasnt a huge payoff to his stories it always made you a bit uneasy.
>>46980629
For me Lovecraft is like Alice in Wonderland.
I think the original is shit, but I love what other people have done with the idea.
>>46980647
>Hating original lovecraft
>Hating original Alice
>>46980661
lots of plebs on /wodg/
they grew up on anime and sjw
>>46980661
Lovecraft was a rambling racist who's stories go nowhere and involve arbitrary madness. They were churned out in the same cheap rags that published detective stories, westerns, and the proto-superhero stories for rent money.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland was written by a pedophile trying to woo his friend's daughter and who hated new math because he couldn't understand it.
Just because you read something in English Lit doesn't mean it's actually good.
>>46980752
And just because modern plebsites say they're bad doesn't mean it's true.
Lovecraft's stories had a very distinct lead up to a climax. They don't involve "arbitrary madness."
>>46980752
>Lovecraft was a rambling racist
>Alice's Adventures in Wonderland was written by a pedophile trying to woo his friend's daughter
Relevant literally how
>They were churned out in the same cheap rags that published detective stories, westerns, and the proto-superhero stories
So what? Stephen King churns out books sometimes once a night and he has written some of the best horror fiction of all time. (I also happen to dig pulp stories)
Also bringing up racism when talking about Lovecraft is kind of silly too. The guy was born over 100 years ago. Yeah no shit his world view is not the same as people today.
>>46980752
>Lovecraft was a rambling racist
lol, look at this hand-wringing faggot. shouldn't you be over on the rpg.net forum effort posting about snowflake genders?
>>46980774
I've read (well, attempted to read) both. I was unimpressed.
>>46980779
Lovecraft was actually exceptionally racist even for the time period. It made his friends a bit uncomfortable. Also his Jewish wife. It also clearly creeps into his writing quite a bit.
I'm sure it will come as no surprise that I also don't care for Stephen King. The only books of his that I cared to finish were Eyes of the Dragon and book one of The Dark Tower.
>>46980802
You're focusing on the racist complaint, and considering how fervent he was about it and how much it coloured his writing, it's a valid one. But you seem to miss the rambling part.
Lovecraft spends half a page describing how indescribable something is.
>>46980887
>don't care for Stephen King.
Ok you just have shit taste in literature. I will stop responding now.
>>46980900
People can like different things, anon. The world won't end if someone doesn't like Popular Thing.
>>46980931
Free Council pls
>>46980946
Talk about cucking
>>46980887
I love how everyone says "oh he was racist", completely ignoring that his marriage actually made him apologetic for his racism later in life.
It makes you all look like a bunch of judgemental pricks who can't get over a flaw, which is a shitty attitude when everyone is flawed.
Like judgemental pricks.
Because everyone knows a bad thing never goes away.
>>46980900
Stephen King is uneven as FUCK.
Almost all pro writers have a system to write by. King doesn't. He just goes and lets things happen.
That's how a book can have all the plot in the final third.
But thanks to lots of training and innate talent, it's also how we've gotten stories like The Shining.
>>46980959
>>46981060
The only way this picture could even be more cuck is if the girl was kissing a black guy.
>>46981053
>But thanks to lots of training and innate talent, it's also how we've gotten stories like The Shining.
And Cigarettes.
>>46980993
>The narrators in "The Street," "Herbert West: Reanimator," "He," "The Call of Cthulhu," "The Shadow Over Innsmouth," "The Horror at Red Hook," and many other tales express sentiments which could be considered hostile towards Jews. Lovecraft married a woman of Ukrainian Jewish ancestry, Sonia Greene, who later said she had to repeatedly remind Lovecraft of her background when he made anti-Semitic remarks. "Whenever we found ourselves in the racially mixed crowds which characterize New York," Greene wrote after her divorce from Lovecraft, "Howard would become livid with rage. He seemed almost to lose his mind."[11]
>Lovecraft's racism has been a continued focus of scholarly and interpretive interest. S.T. Joshi, one of the foremost Lovecraft scholars, notes that "There is no denying the reality of Lovecraft's racism, nor can it merely be passed off as "typical of his time," for it appears that Lovecraft expressed his views more pronouncedly (although usually not for publication) than many others of his era. It is also foolish to deny that racism enters into his fiction."[3] In his book "H.P. Lovecraft: Against The World, Against Life," Michel Houellebecq argues that "racial hatred" provided the emotional force and inspiration for much of Lovecraft's greatest works.
>Some have interpreted Lovecraft's racial attitude as being more cultural than brutally biological: Lovecraft showed sympathy to others who were pacifically assimilated into Western culture, to the extent of even marrying a Jewish woman whom he viewed as "well assimilated".
I have never seen evidence that he changed his views, and all of his books where written at a time when he was severely racist.
Is the age old "anyone who says Lovecraft was shit needs to be browbeaten" argument what we're going to do today?
Lovecraft was super racist, but his stuff's still good. Doesn't really matter.
>>46981287
pretty much. MJ probably still molested those kids but fuck you if you dont groove to Billy Jean anymore.
So in light of the approaching Mage release, how do you make someone gay? Mind or Life? How many dots? How do you make it permanent?
>>46981491
It depends if its a mental thing or a genetic thing. probably both. Secondly why the hell would you want to?
>>46981287
Name a fantasy / horror author from that time period who wasn't. It's not like Robert E. Howard was some proto-socjus.
>>46981114
His stories are actually good, people say he's boring but then suck off the ponderous shit of hacks like Moorcock or Lieber.
Yeah, but Lovecraft was notably batshit insanely racist even for his time. Contemporaries commented on it and everything.
>>46981719
>mention social justice issue
>writer appears
Disgraceful
>>46981719
I think John Milius and Paul Voorhovan are kind of crazy but I still watch the fuck out of Red Dawn and Robocop
>>46981719
>Contemporaries commented on it and everything.
[citation needed]
>>46981757
Milius is more just a sad case now post-stroke. Which is a shame, because he was a big part of why HBO's ROME was such a success.
>>46981373
Lovecraft wrote more about miscegenation than Jackson sang about Macauley Culkin's asshole. Still good.
>>46981719
Hey, Dave. A question if I may: Have Mage demographics changed in 2e, compared to how you envisioned it in 1e?
>>46980184
Beast backers aren't getting the PDF before anyone else by a significant margin, they're just getting it as part of their KS reward. The only reason it might be before Mage purchasers is because they're just getting a link to a comp PDF the moment Mage 2e goes live, meaning they skip the whole "browse and purchase" part.
>Big Mage announcement
>Aspel starts a Lovecraft argument and a bunch of people take the bait
Yeah, this is pretty much what I expected.
>>46982136
>Yeah, this is pretty much what I expected.
Oh come on. That announcement wasn't going to make more than the occasional "yay". Otherwise the only thing it does is remove every reason people have to say "mage is never coming out".
>>46981491
Mind to make someone horny, Life to cause an erection.
Going off that, both would probably work, but Life would create a republican gay.(One who still marries and has sex with a woman, never tells anybody that he kinda wants to suck a dick, etc)
>>46981537
It doesn't really depend. Magic is symbolic, not scientific.
>>46981774
See >>46981114
>>46981537
>why
Mages have no sense of right and wrong. Converting straight guys is a major fetish/trope.
>>46982305
Sounds like Mind is more valuable, then. Dave's already confirmed that Life is the Mage mpreg button, so both would be ideal.
Am I the only one that finds human horror more intense then supernatural horror? I mean Vampires are sociopathic living corpses, werewolves are fleshy engines of destruction and Changelings can be warped mockery of innocant stories at best and beings of pure "It should not be" at worst.
But Human foes are terrifying for whatever reason. It makes my skin crawl way more then anything else. Demons are a close second simply because Bio-Organic robots.
Oh and Spooky/rundown houses/buildings
I can honestly take or leave Lovecraft. But I will fire the next writer to misuse "Non-Euclidean" because they read it in one of his stories and think it means "spooky".
Into the sun.
>>46982432
>Converting straight guys is a major fetish
>Permitting the Magical Realm in your game
>>46982444
>Not looking a word up before using it in something you expect to be published
Terrible
>>46982457
>Not letting people have fun
I wouldn't consider it Magical Realm unless they were obviously jerking off or storing it in the spank bank. Doing silly/weird shit like that is fine, as long as you don't act weird about it and it doesn't happen too frequently.
>>46982444
>But I will fire the next writer
Ooh Dave, I love it when you get your boss on
>>46982444
those trips are straight up autocthonous
>>46982482
Well you did specifically say you wanted to do it because its a fetish
>One of my favorite bands, who have a lot of songs I associate with Mage, released a new song last night
>The day before Mage 2e is confirmed for releasing within the week
>The song is actually Mage-appropriate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiYoajAqoeQ
>An Obrimos Awakens
>>46982563
Wasn't me, to be fair
I only just joined in on the conversation to make that(>>46982482) post
>>46982444
Ok, but what about "gossamer"? That means "spooky", right?
>>46982588
WoD music time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jV6TnBC2nk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7otchKcH-0
This band can get pretty Magey.
>>46982588
>>46982682
Already posted it in the thread, but I think Bastards Gonna Hit Me by They Might Be Giants works quite well...for something...maybe its a Changeling finally finding his Fetch, but told from the perspective of the Fetch in question, I'm not 100% percent sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJCQ_BUksM
WoD music? Gotta post this, it's the law: https://youtu.be/fYeURUzAY88
>>46982870
>Slipknot
If we are going for metal this is definitely a changeling song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg7hnvQrHMw
Are there any True Fae metalheads?
>>46982682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrdSC9MVb4
>A 1e Darkling Durance
Alternatively
>A very strange Thyrsus Awakening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6366dxFf-Os
>A Mastigos Awakening with some hints of Forces shit going on
>>46982136
They get it pretty soon, I believe. They get sent a backer link as soon as it's ready. The rest of us have to wait.
I don't imagine it'll cut into their sales, but I am not sure how delaying the sale date acts as a beneficial business practice.
Mind you, I'm pissy because it goes on sale the day my work picks up again, so I'm biased towards grumping.
>>46982963
They get a download link when it goes up on the store. It goes up on the store on Wednesday, the same day it goes up on the blog.
You'll be waiting, at most, a couple of hours longer than the Beast backers, and that's if you aren't already F5ing the Onyx Path DriveThruRPG page on Wednesday waiting for Mage 2e to pop up
>>46982958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3QVYGUf7J0
This works really well for the Ministry of Panopticon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRROs8oerU
Seers or Slashers, take your pick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOyKXFgnD2k
I don't really know, Demon?
>>46982963
"As soon as it's ready" will almost certainly be "Wednesday around noon", when it opens to the rest of the public. You have to remember, Rich also uses the Monday Meeting Comments to troll.
>>46983042
>Slashers
>Not this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6fjGS1lRg
>>46983017
That wasn't how it's worked for Kickstarter stuff in the past.
>>46983097
Kickstarter stuff in the past has never been "You get a download link for this book when it comes out on the store for everyone", which is explicitly what Mage 2e is according to Rich on the MMN a week or two ago.
>>46983097
That's because they were Kickstarter rewards for the project being funded. Mage 2e is an optional add-on that not every Beast backer selected. It won't get the same kind of priority.
>If you were a Brujah of the 70s you will remember this:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJCXvvdlBU
>>46983152
"You’ll get a link before it goes on sale as an Advance PDF."
Rich to a Beast backer two weeks ago.
Always felt that this song was pretty Vampire: https://youtu.be/z7RknLL4WkU
>>46982136
>The only reason it might be before Mage purchasers is because they're just getting a link to a comp PDF the moment Mage 2e goes live, meaning they skip the whole "browse and purchase" part.
kickstarter backers get their things the moment its available, kickstarter shit isn't wednesday onlies
>>46982444
>reading questionable content
For shame, Dave, for shame.
>>46983194
And the PDF doesn't go up until Wednesday, because it's not a Kickstarter project and will go on sale for everyone. It will at most be an hour or two before it goes on sale, perhaps to ease DTRPG's servers.
Rich is being intentionally vague, because he likes to troll in the comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
>TFV as they raid a Vampire Safe House
>>46983206
Which is true, for actual KS projects. This is an optional add-on to a KS project.
>>46983243
And your reason for believing this is...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSen7DRQWU
Could I just be a Kung Fu mage?
It doesn't really matter, I guess, since no one here backed Beast.
Tony Stark's parents were killed by the Winter Soldier and Captain America dies.
Except Amy.
>>46983345
>Tony Stark's parents were killed by the Winter Soldier and Captain America dies.
No shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWx6csgGkg4
This is pretty Mage Tier
Not sure what kind exactly. Whats magic like in Nashville?
Hey Dave, if you're still around, do you have an order/schedule planned for releasing the blog material? Or is this a "play it by ear" thing?
>>46982457
Fetishy things happen in WoD all the time, it's one more drop in a very gross bucket. Also I'm sure you could work it into a plot line. 'We'll make him gay' certainly sounds like a PC Plan.
>>46983305
Because exactly 124 people pledged for the Beast+Another Gameline Core reward, and even if every single one noted that they wanted a Beast/Mage crossover package, that's not enough people to really justify changing the retail release logistics.
>>46980296
To be able to run mage you'd have to run games, Aspel.
>>46983992
>>46983666
That's not changing it. It's just uploading it and giving backers a link without a public release.
>>46984039
That would be changing it. They've never done that before, there's no reason they'd start doing it now.
Odds are, they're going to upload the book to DTRPG, then send out the Beast Backer links, and at most an hour or two later put up a post on the blog and put it on sale.
>>46984039
And it'll be uploaded either late Tuesday or early Wednesday, making any possible earlyness window so miniscule it's pretty much meaningless, especially if it's to 124 or less people. The way some people seem to be interpreting what Rich said is as if some Beast backers are getting it over the weekend or on Monday. It's possible, but it just seems highly unlikely to send it off so early to so few people, especially when the Advance PDF errata collection is so important to the release process now.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I just see it as overly worried handwringing.
>>46984608
I'm not worried; I'm excited! As much as I fully intend to buy the book, there's no way it won't get passed around like the flu the moment it comes out.
Plus, my work picks back up Wednesday and I run games on Saturdays. Getting it ASAP would really make my life easier.
>>46983992
I thought they were running that one Werewolf game and the Changeling 2e playtest.
>>46981718
I literally don't like the prose itself, and the stories are all about nigger eggs and the aliens that made them.
I shouldn't have to explain to people that I'm making a joke, but if I don't, someone might think that I believe that's what Lovecraft literally wrote about.
>>46981757
Some types of crazy are acceptable. Like the kind that leads to gore filled robot Jesus movies.
>>46981968
That... is for 2e. He also didn't write 1e. I don't think he was top dog until Left-Handed Path.
>>46982136
>Someone doesn't like a thing, that must be trolling
>>46982444
>Firing someone into the sun
Is that Space or Forces?
>>46985261
>Is that Space or Forces?
...I think it's both, Patterning Forces to give your punch enough wallop, Space to shorten the distance.
Though I don't understand why Mr Brookshaw doesn't just eat their presence in the Dreamtime, considering he IS Komodo Dragon. I assume eating a persons Dreamtime presence would do horrible things to them, right?
>>46985261
>That... is for 2e. He also didn't write 1e. I don't think he was top dog until Left-Handed Path.
I thought that was just for his campaigns.. in 1e.
>>46985206
They didn't run a single session of either, and blamed the players for both failing.
>>46983529
"We'll make them gay" was legitimately a thing the army once wanted to do, because the real world is a cartoon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
>>46985206
Both fell apart for different reasons. Currently I'm musing over whether Mage 2e would work for a Mirrors type game set in a fantasy world with Gothic Horror overtones and Lovecraftian undertones, a la Bloodborne and the recent Shadows Over Innistrad block of Magic. I'd set it in an alternate reality with more Hunter style Vampires and Werewolves and spooky things, and the players would be investigative monster hunter type Mages or Proximi.
Speaking of which, drawing Dave's attention to this >>46980296
>Hey, Dave, if you're still around, any suggestions on that front? How do I run Mage without getting tripped up when a character decides to do something like teleport to a different city, or create a nuke?
>>46985368
He's been running proto-2e games since 2013 or so. That's one of the reasons he hasn't been able to update Man Comes Around: The game started to use 2e rules. If anything, the kind of ideas he has for Mage has influenced 2e.
>>46985460
>Both fell apart for different reasons
Just because you play different characters doesn't mean the reason your games fall apart is any different.
>>46985460
>"We'll make them gay" was legitimately a thing the army once wanted to do, because the real world is a cartoon
Well the idea was to make the enemy army love themselves so all they would want to do all day is have sex (this is a real plan that existed) but turning one person gay is cruel,unusual and kind of pointless.
>>46985460
>>Hey, Dave, if you're still around, any suggestions on that front? How do I run Mage without getting tripped up when a character decides to do something like teleport to a different city, or create a nuke?
Creating a nuke requires 5 dots in Matter. If they want to do it, let them do it, but don't let them keep or use it without consequences.(ambient radiation poisoning, etc)
If they want to teleport to a different city, end the scene there, and keep it basic for the rest of the session if they even get further scenes in the session, so you have the time to figure things out for the new city between sessions.
EG, the Mastigos in your game set in New York wants to teleport to Los Angeles. Describe him blinking away from New York, and end the scene, then if he gets any further scenes, pick it up with him appearing in a public bathroom, or somewhere else inconspicuous, in LA, and roughly describe the area. Keep NPCs simple, using roughly the system the CofD book suggests for minor characters: 3 main dice pools, one at 7, one at 6, one at 5, and have them fail anything else they try to do. For example, he steps out of the bathroom in a restaurant on Venice Beach, and bumps into someone walking the other way outside. This someone is an artist, so they've got the following dice pools, "Artsy nonsense - 7", "Sales pitches - 6", "Schmoozing - 5"
Then, after the session ends, you decide this character has gotten enough attention from the players that you should stat them up as a full character. Keep the dice pools roughly the same, if you can, but don't worry about them changing too much; it's fine if your artist actually has 4 dice for Schmoozing(Presence+Socialize or Persuasion), instead.
>>46985261
Why do you assume that I think you're trolling? There is no stronger bait than a person's genuine opinion or Hot Take presented in a mildly antagonistic or authoritative manner.
How would you make a Bloodline of Grendelkin? I'm thinking Gangrel with Obfuscate as a springboard.
>>46985850
because anyone who criticizes aspel has it wrong
>>46985773
Also remember that you can't just will a working nuclear bomb into existence, even with Matter 5 - or at least, the average Mage can't. Sure, they can theoretically create all of its component parts, but creating complex machinery whole-cloth with Matter requires you to actually know how said machinery works. So unless your Matter 5 Mage has Academics 4-5 with a specialty in Nuclear Engineering, he's at best going to be able to put together a dirty bomb.
And at that point you have to ask yourself why the fuck your Mage is even bothering, because I can't think of any reason for doing so besides "I want to be a shit-head and kill people in character" in which case that's a player problem, not a system one.
>>46986118
God now you made me want to make a matter mage gunsmith that becomes an illegal Arms Dealer
>>46986118
Actually that'd be more Science than Academics, maybe Crafts as well
>>46986171
Gunsmithing could be covered by Firearms and Crafts, for sure.
>mfw mage is finally coming out
>>46986295
>Firearms and Crafts, for sure.
I figured as much. I just think it would be fun to do.
Maybe just straight up as an armorer for whatever magical faction I belong to. Maybe become a retainer for a higher up? Might be an interesting career path.
>>46986381
I could see it working for an Adamantine Arrow, certainly.
Be sure to also grab at least 2 dots in Prime, so you can make Imbued Items as well.
>>46986118
>you can't just will a working nuclear bomb into existence
Surely a Master of Forces could replicate the explosion?
>>46986421
Making a nuclear explosion, by Word of Dave, requires 6 dots in Forces, iirc.
>>46986381
Add a bit of Prime and you get PERFECT DAKKA!
>>46986408
>>46986446
What Path is good with Prime and Matter? I also hope the Arrows arent dicks
>>46986469
I guess you could be an Obrimos with a Matter Legacy.
>>46986480
I also saw Moros with this
>Forge Master – Awakened artisans and craftsmen beyond parallel, the Forge Masters are the supreme alchemists, item crafters and Imbuers of the Awakened world. Even the mundane items they make are of exceptional quality and the greatest among them can use their own souls as forges to conjure items from thin air.
But Moros kind of sound like assholes.
>>46986469
Either Obrimos or Moros
Obrimos gets ruling Prime, Moros gets ruling Matter
It depends how you wanna do it, really. Obrimos gunsmith would probably be something like a Techpriest, believing in the power of the machine-spirit and warfare, while a Moros gunsmith would probably be more about violence for violence's sake
>>46986547
Considering this is off the top of my head I was going to have him either be a veteran or a member of the National Guard and after his Tour or just because the Guard is a part time thing he owns a gun store. After awakening he most likely joins the Arrow because it fits with his previous experiences and lets him kind of normalize this new way of perceiving reality.
Back to following orders and not really having to think for himself (at the beginning anyway)
>>46986547
>Obrimos gunsmith would probably be something like a Techpriest
How would you Mechandrites?
>>46986606
Transhuman Engineer – The Transhuman Engineers are a techgnostic Legacy who believe in a sort of mechanical ascension. They believe that human technological advancement is progressing forward at an ever-faster rate, and that it won’t be too long before this rate becomes so fast that everything about humanity will change in the blink of an eyelid. Through this technological advancement, the Engineers seek to transcend their mortal selves, becoming enlightened through the power of science.
>>46986615
Noice.
Oh yeah going Obrimos
>Obrimos have a thing for hierarchy. If there are two in a room, they need to determine who outranks whom. If several Obrimos work together, they all want an organizational chart to show who falls where in the chain of command and who is responsible for what.
Military as fuck.
Beast backers just got Mage2 link, check your e-mails.
>>46986652
Toppest of keks
>>46986635
God speed to you anon.
>>46986954
Now I just need to find a game! Probably wont until Mage2 comes out
>>46986652
I don't believe you
>>46986615
>>46986635
Why can see something like Wonder Greens Unite Morphs being in this guys arsenal?
>>46987547
forgot to link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asmwmncsnpI
Would you guys care for some example Cult writeups? I've been making them for Mummy with Mystery Cult Initiations for each.
>>46986652
Just got mine, really excited about this new Incision mechanic, I think it'll really change the whole power level game.
>>46987587
no, leave your shitty homebrew elsewhere
>>46987587
Sure
>>46987594
>>46986652
Samefag detected
>>46987601
Oh just knob off.
Deviant when
>>46987738
2017, at the earliest
Any word as to whether Demon is going to be, in some form, relevant in oWoD, or get re-added in a less 'end times' context? It's my favorite core, and the cutoff date being before it's release is understandable, but sours my enthusiasm for a return to a revamped Classic.
>>46987738
Hunter really needs an update first. They lost so much in second ed and got almost nothing in Mortal Remains. Geist also needs more books.
>>46987907
I'm holding out hope for a 15th Anniversary Edition, because I really don't want to wait another six years for a proper X20 version.
>>46987907
As far as we know, One World of Darkness will focus on the Big Three to start, and then expand into the other splats as the new metaplot continues. We won't know how the other splats will be introduced for sure, however, since Paradox White Wolf wants to maintain the extreme secrecy and "it'll be ready when it's ready, go speculate!" nature of Old White Wolf.
>>46980752
The pedo thing has been debunked and debunked.
Just like the myth that he was Jack the Ripper.
The popular vision most people have of Alice is the disney movie, which was shit. And people focus too much on the Cheshire cat and ignore all the things going on there. But the book I liked. It's charming. The Arthur Rackham illustrations were awesome.
And yes, Lovecraft was racist as fuck but some of his ideas were awesome. The problem is that he wrote a ton of stories and they varied widely in quality.
>>46987997
To be fair, Hunter /needs/ a lot less than other games. The fluff for the various organizations already exists, and your player characters are basically just mortals anyway.
We just need updated Endowments and some revised Tactics.
>>46988097
Lovecraft's writing suffers (and succeeds!) because he's a pulp writer. When you're paid by the word and for cheap and you've got to bang out a load of stories, you're gonna have a lot of mediocre or bad to go with your good or excellent. But pulp fiction lives and dies by its storytelling and ideas, not by technical skill. While it'd be great to have both, better storytelling will always win out over better prose in mainstream or pop fiction.
That said, I do wish the Dream Cycle had more love.
>>46988204
I wonder if they can re-do the Endowment system without having it be Merit dots. There's nothing wrong with that in particular, but 2e's pretty Merit heavy.
>>46987999
That would be awesome indeed.
>>46988051
See, I get that, but a few words of reassurance wouldn't go amiss. The sad fact is (and I'm sure I'm not alone) that the cWoD isn't going anywhere, nor is it particularly expensive.
The only thing that keeps me checking in on the progress of OWoD every four or five months is that what I love will continue - and you start hacking things off it, or leave whether my favorite splatbooks will even have a showing, and it stops being a continuation/revamp and what I love, but a complete remake with a deceptive paintjob. Where is my investment here? What's the draw?
Now, I'm not saying my interest is going to make or break OWoD when it comes to success; but it's silly to dismiss consumers of their other splatbooks with 'secrecy'. It's not going to keep me hanging with hope. It's just going to send me elsewhere until I hopefully catch a glimpse of Demon the Whatever in a decade.
Though I suspect I'll consume their fluff and electronic offerings all the way.
Tzimisce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVyBIzxRrvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P911lpDWjp8
Toreador:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxyM_SA1wTc
Brujah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBFfGzr6R74
And pretty much any political related punk or post punk song.
>>46988322
They'll probably leave them as merits, since making them anything else would just fuel the arguments over whether or not Hunters are inherently Sleepwalkers(they aren't, they're just people).
When will we start seeing early orders for the first One World of Darkness books? I want to get in at the start, this time. I always seem to catch RPGs when they have been out a while and I can't afford to catch up.
>>46988550
We won't hear anything until Gen Con at least, but it's worth noting that the only employees at the new White Wolf are Martin and Tobias. They don't have writers yet.
>>46988623
There's an editor now, but yeah there's no in-house writers, if there will ever be. I could see White Wolf doubling down and asking whoever's developing the new Vampire RPG to also write the new corebook, maybe with some freelancers drawn from OPP's pool for the extra bits. Either way, I expect White Wolf to be completely button lipped until this year's (?) Grand Masquerade in New Orleans.
>>46982682
Demon the Descent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWX04fjSDE
>May 5-7th. Nordsken, Skellefteå.
>May 19-22nd. Living Games, Austin.
>Autumn. New Orleans. The Grand Masquerade. World of Darkness 25th anniversary celebration.
>October 27-30th. Zamek Ksiaz, Poland.
Still no official date for the Grand Masquerade yet, that's probably taking up some of White Wolf's time. Good thing they got Mage 2e done before they went back on tour!
>>46985773
The nuke was just an example, though I think it's a lot easier to do in 2e.
My problem is less core worldbuilding and more how to handle when the players throw me for a loop. Like jumping to somewhere else or solving a problem in a way that both I didn't expect AND in a spectacular way that would derail any ideas I had for the game.
For example, in one chronicle I did a few years ago with the stopgap rules, the two PCs were supposed to get the vampires of the city to like them by doing a favour: Stop whoever's killing our girls. Their contact had clearly been in a relationship with the most recent victim. In examining the victim and crime scene, they used Time to see the killer (an Aswang). Cut short any more meaningful investigation, but I could run with it.
The Moros with Death 4 that I fought not to all Death 4 because I didn't want such strong starting characters demanded he turn over her corpse so that she could create a zombie, and tried out the Breaking Down Doors and Hard Leverage rules.
Then they followed the Aswang to her house with the zombie in tow, and knocked on her door, which resulted in the Aswang opening up with a shotgun blast and a stupidly strong zombie snapping her neck in the middle of a cul-de-sac right before the morning rush hour. The Acanthus even got it so the cops would come as quick as possible, though they realized they should get out before that happened.
I basically had no idea how to continue because the players had completely fucked up at the simple thing they were meant to do and the head of their Cabal was unlikely to appreciate losing an ally and also killing someone in broad daylight with a zombie.
Even as laid back and chill as I made their boss, it's hard not to get pissed off when someone fucks up that hard, and I just had no idea how to continue that would interest me.
>>46987547
>>46987565
I was thinking more like this
https://youtu.be/A0DBX94R1OY?t=41
Is this possible in mage?
>>46988447
does anyone remember the succubus club album? Also have you been listening to the other tracks posted in thread?
>>46989112
Your chronicle is now about either going on trial before the consilium in order to explain why the fuck they're doing such stupid shit in broad daylight on running from a GotV hit squad.
>>46989162
I remember it but not the track list and I never had it, just knew someone who did.
Honestly I haven't right now, but I plan to. I'm working on a project and I just wanted to share because I'm an asshole.
>tfw I want to play a grill but dont feel confident in my RP skills to do it justice
>>46989396
Women are literally just people with different genitals.
Play one the same you would play a man, but swap out the pronouns, and you're good.
>>46989485
then im afraid of going into the men with tits cliche which I absolutely hate in most cases
>>46986007
>>46985850
The original post was something like "I don't like Lovecraft but I like what other people have done with Lovecraft's ideas". I forgot not liking Lovecraft is a massive sin on the internet.
>>46986522
Moros are the best, you shut your whore mouth.
>>46988097
He may not have been molesting Alice Liddel, but he was clearly in the same vain as Michael Jackson, and had what would be considered an unhealthy fascination with children. Peter Pan Syndrome. The other complaints (that Alice in Wonderland was basically about how he couldn't understand new math) are also still valid. It's more interesting if you do like other people have done and ascribe occult or drug references, because some guy hating irrational numbers is dumb. I like what other people have done with the ideas. I like The Game, and Jefferson Starship's White Rabbit. I even like that one YA novel where the whole story is an alternate reality and a Princess Alice in hiding tells Charles Dobson the story and he rewrites it.
Lovecraft is the same way. Every time I see his prose, it's either confusing in an unfun way, or droning and flat. Even if you could ignore the racist undertones and themes--I doubt I could--I don't like him. If you like him, that's fine. More power to you. I prefer the things other people have done with his ideas. The Abyss from Mage. The Outsiders in Dresden Files. The Eldrazi. Even the stuff I know about Bloodborne. I even liked that one Pathfinder module I played where a Shoggoth was making a town crazy.
>>46988251
See, this is where "I read Wikipedia articles" comes in. None of the plots I've read have really interested me. It's not like The Shadow or The Phantom, where I go "this sounds like dumb fun".
I just hate this insinuation that I HAVE to love Lovecrafts craft.
>>46980232
At the same time, there are a lot of more "sci-fi" monsters in Lovecraft. Aliens like the Yithians, Elder Things, and the Mi-Go all come to mind.
>>46989517
You're never gonna get better at it until you try. Besides, I doubt that the subtle differences of gender roles will matter all that much unless the kind of horror you're playing's heavy on that kind of thing (e.g. a slasher flick kind of game)
>>46989396
>>46989517
Honestly, I used to feel the same as you, and I'm a gay man. Then I said "Fuck it" and played an woman(A Chaotic Evil Tiefling Fighter) in a Pathfinder game, and there weren't really any cliches I bumped into; I played her exactly the same way I would have played a guy with the same statblock and background, except with she/her/hers instead of he/him/his.
Don't make a big deal about it. Just play a woman. Just do it.
>>46989530
You don't have to love Lovecraft, but ignoring how important his work is to sci-fi and horror, and ignoring how he basically invented the genre of cosmic horror, is silly. His works manage to be genuinely frightening a century later - The Shadow Out Of Time is a horrifying narrative - and ignoring his contributions to fiction just because he was a wretched racist is just silly.
Plus, Lovecraft is the reason we have Delta Green!
>>46989530
>Moros are the best, you shut your whore mouth.
idk they sound like edgelords desu
>>46989605
>>46989709
eh maybe. It was going to be a member of Maiden's Blood Sisterhood because I liked the whole "We are not buffy but we really are" kind of vibe. And because that compact is sexist I have to be female to get higher then 2 dots of status.
>>46989730
Basically this. You can not like him but to completely dismiss him is silly
>>46988533
>>46988322
Supernatural Merits are still just Merits. I mean, there's nothing really wrong with having them be Merits, or the game being Merit heavy.
Although I will say that if they weren't Merits, they could have different costs.
One thing I like about Hunter is that by making each type of Endowment have different mechanics, they help make the Conspiracies feel different.
I expect to see more like we saw from Mortal Remains, where some of the Endowments that are requisition based (Advanced Armory, Elixir) are essentially auto-shuffled at the beginning of each session or when applicable.
>>46989166
>I just had no idea how to continue that would interest me.
>>46989517
>>46989485
It's worth noting that there are major biological differences and sociological difference that do trend towards men and women having very different life experiences and personalities. If you're not one of those super nerds who closes their eyes and does their best to imagine how someone's life experiences would have piled up to create the answer to the question of "what would this character do in this situation?" you can still play a female character that isn't a man with tits but isn't embarrassing by just not being a caricature. Stereotypes are fine, but don't be some MadTV character played by a guy in a dress.
It's easier on text (and I always default to assuming people are playing online), but putting on a voice (not a racist one, which seems to be all people can do at PFS) is a good way to get into a character's headspace. I was embarrassed to roleplay in real life period until I played the Ninja pregen as a dottering old lady (who was actually a young ninja in disguise). My next character went full on with the voice and is a boisterous motherly type who always has an anecdote about her kids and is quick to chastize stupidity.
>>46989730
I never denied that he had a big impact. In fact, that's kind of implied in "I like what other people have done with the ideas"
>>46989530
>I forgot not liking Lovecraft is a massive sin on the internet.
Oh, get over yourself. Lovecraft isn't even the best of the weird fiction writers, and plenty of people are willing to discuss and acknowledge that. It's just that you love arguing more than you actually like discussion or research.
Or being on topic. But hey, those without sin, first stone, etc.
>I just hate this insinuation that I HAVE to love Lovecrafts craft.
Loving and "understanding the importance of the writer on the medium" are two different things, and I think you know that but like to feel like you're making a stand about something. You don't have to like every luminary in the firld, and anyone with any mature taste in culture knows that. I appreciate what Tolkien's done for fantasy but I'm never going to enjoy the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I might get questions or even shit for that, but I'm not so self-centered as to think that I'm being punished for committing some nerd sin.
Also, I'm not sure why you're comparing Lovecraft to The Phantom (known for being a comic book character) and The Shadow (known for being a radio serial character). Very different things there, which you'd know if you paid more attention to Wikipedia. Or just read and consumed more media in good faith.
>>46989810
Racist accents are the best shut up
>Guy in my Ops and Tactics game is serbia
>Puts on the worst Russian accent ever
>everyone either laughs or is horrified.
Good times
>>46989530
>>46989810
Hi Rory.
>>46989530
Actually
>>46989530
Agreed that some of Lovecraft's prose is like that. And... Agreed about math and the occult stuff in Alice but not agreed about him being a pedophile. I've been trying to find an excellent article that debunked that point by point but I'm having trouble locating it atm. Basically, there was a partially destroyed letter that implied that he maybe have been acting improperly with someone, but it might also have been the nanny of the Liddel girls, there is evidence that he took photos of adult women in the nude, idealization of children and the idea of adults making friends with children to make themselves more pure was at an all time high and several other adult male writers and artists of the period made friends with the daughters of their friends, including Mark Twain, etc.
Also, not to be a dick but I think Michael Jackson might have been an Adult Baby rather than a pedophile. From the actual pedophiles and adult babies I've met and the interviews I've read with people close to him, that's what makes most sense to me, and during the time those rumors got started, not many people knew about adult babies.
>>46989810
I just think dismissing one of the most important fiction authors of the last century because you don't like Wikipedia summaries of his work is a little silly, especially when it's writing that thrives on atmosphere and mystery.
Seriously, try either Shadow Out Of Time or At The Mountains of Madness. Cthulhu is hideously overrated.
>>46989808
Maiden's Blood Sisterhood isn't really sexist. I'm pretty sure I remember there being a long discussion about this in the past, but the tl;dr is they allow men, it's just rare for a man to get above 2 dots, because most of the people who join are college kids, and the guys tend to treat it like a frat instead of a formal organization.
>>46989866
Honestly, I'm glad Wikipedia has summaries of some of his shit. There were a few stories I tried to read a year or two ago that I just couldn't wrap my head around, and ended up dropping the book to read the Wikipedia summary instead.-not Aspel
>>46989929
>There were a few stories I tried to read a year or two ago that I just couldn't wrap my head around
Its almost like Mind Bending horror was his goal or something
>Not sexist
well they could have explained that better. Regardless it is kind of odd why they had to specifically mention that.
>>46989957
I don't mean "mind bending horror", I mean "this prose is so fucking thick I can't even figure out what he's trying to say in this non-horrific scene"
>>46989808
>Moros
Moros are great. Their whole philosophy is to be a hammer. Hammers are great for smashing and destroying (Death), but a hammer is also what you use to rebuild (Matter). They're not goths. They're just seen what happens when you die and how inevitable that is. My first Moros was depressed by it and wanted to save everyone from it as long as possible, my second Moros decided that life matters a ton and became a perky goth.
>Maiden's Blood Sisterhood
They're my favourite Compact, but honestly they could go more Buffy. Their Greek heritage stuff is just wanky, as opposed to *actually* having any sort of ̶S̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶ Amazon powers.
Also, it just says that it's unlikely, not never going to happen ever period. You'd just have to be pretty committed to their ideals. A "numale", as one person put it. Though it is true that they don't take schoolboys.
>despite their feminine leanings, it's less about "abuse of women" and more about "the abuse of the young." Students are dumb, really. They don't mean to be. It's just how people in their late teens and early 20s are.
My favourite line from their write-up.
>Lovecraft
>>46989824
>>46989866
I never said I don't acknowledge Lovecraft was important to the genre and influential. I don't know where anyone even got that impression, especially since I said "I like what other people have done with his ideas". That kind of implies that I know he inspired people. Saying "I don't like THING" does not mean I'm failing to acknowledge that THING was important and influential.
>>46989856
Michael Jackson was probably chemically castrated and definitely fucked in the head by his dad. His sexual stuff with the kids was probably not intentionally sexual, but simply a fascination with children and youth that is just really creepy when it's an adult doing it. i.e. Peter Pan Syndrome.
>>46990098
>wanting Compacts to have powers
No thanks. Hunter is at its best when it's about normal people facing the unnatural.
>>46990039
Duuuude that shit is the BEST!
>>46990098
>They're my favourite Compact
Of course they are.
For compacts for me its The Bear Lodge, The Union and Barrett Commission
>>46990125
>Not Operating in Operations Operationally against Vampire Operators
Its like you dont even VALKYRIE
>>46990098
>"numale"
I would rather be a fucking man thank you very much
>>46989929
They're sexist, but it's not "MEN ARE ALL RAPISTS!" like /tg/ portrays it, or the "if there was an all male conspiracy, women would be freaking out!" Which, it's worth noting that the default assumption is that most of these Org are primarily male, to the point that the inherent sexism of "Witch" is brought up.
They're just a primarily female Compact that doesn't grab male students (no reason you couldn't be an exception) and tends to be more judgmental about men getting Status 3+ (no reason you couldn't be an exception).
>>46989957
They mentioned it for the same reason Princess: The Hopeful mentions that you can be a male Noble.
>So, the Sisterhood, emphasis on Sister. No men allowed, right? Not quite. They don't recruit from the male student body, but the compact allows faculty members, off-campus volunteers, townies -- all of whom could be male. Still, it's a female-oriented compact, and any men that join best be comfortable with that fact. Some cells are very feminist, and men in proximity to such cells may have a harder time gaining Status than females of equal capability.
>>46990125
Obviously I'd want it to be a Conspiracy. Compacts fill a weird niche where most things I'd want to do with a Compact I'd just do Cell level.
>>46990137
Actually it's probably not my favourite. Network Zero is. I did used to stereotype the Union as rednecks, but after rereading it, they're pretty liberal. And I like that they're the kind of factory workers and stuff that you wouldn't expect to use computers but they do their communications online. Politicals are basically #Occupy with guns and fertilizer bombs. #EatTheRich
>>46990209
Edgy buzzwords aside, they are what most people here would (and have) call an SJW compact.
>>46990137
Favorite Compacts: Habibti Ma, Division Six, Utopia Now, Loyalists of Thule, Network Zero.
Favorite Conspiracies: VASCU, Knights of St. George.
But then again, I'm a weirdo that wants Hunter 2e to have less killing monsters and more researching/talking to/curing/arresting monsters.
>>46990267
>>46990137
Oh. I also like Keepers of the Source. Hippies who have painful Unseen Sense that kill Mages and Werewolves and whoever else draws "Source" from Mother Earth and causes her to cry out in pain, man.
Plus I just love the artwork of that ditzy hippy in a tie-dye summer dress with a bloody baseball bat.
>>46990269
>Knights of St George
Righteous. I thought I was the only one here who liked them.
>>46981491
Sexual orientation and sexual identity would fall under Mind.
"These things cause a physical arousal response" would be Life.
The one can naturally lead to the other.
>>46990098
Yeah, that's what I said. And adult baby is someone who wants to temporarily regress to childhood and live as a kid. Like someone who wants to spend time coloring or being spoonfed applesauce or have someone read them a story or who uses their shitload of money to build themselves a treehouse and a private amusement park.
>>46990267
Compacts make more sense than Conspiracies.
When you're a Cell, it's just you poor bastards alone out in the night. Compacts are what happen when multiple Cells get together - because they share an idea, because they want to pool resources, because your odds are better together - and that's a very organic evolution for things.
Then Conspiracies are just a hodge-podge of any Hunters that have magic powers and fancy tools. Hell, the Lucifuge could basically be an independent minor template, while anyone could use Advanced Armory.
>>46990300
I love pretty much all of the groups from the supplemental books, much more than those in the core.
>>46990267
>I did used to stereotype the Union as rednecks
they arent anything. Just regular middle/low class people that want to protect their homes. No need to inject politics into it not that it matters either way.
>Politicals are just occupy with fertilizer bombs
Oh so they know somethings wrong but dont know what they are talking about?
(inb4 you call me right wing I agreed with occupy but those people didnt know what the fuck they were talking about)
>Network zero
Kind of cool but sometimes I just think of them of "Le anonymoose we are legionz!"
>>46990351
I always read Conspiracies as either ancient or powerfully backed organisations that have a clear mission statement and objective.
>>46990269
>Utopia Now
I adore these guys tbqhwy
>>46990343
No, an Adult Baby is a healthy if silly fetish. Even the ones who want some kind of lifestyle thing aren't what I'm talking about.
Jackson was super abused as a child and had a broken brain.
Also fuck, I'm not into AB/DL and I'd want a fucking treehouse.
>>46990351
But that's not what Compacts are. Compacts are large and coordinated organizations, not just "a bunch of Cells coming together". They're usually people who encountered the supernatural and didn't go at it alone, instead spreading their influence.
Conspiracies are the same way, but with the addition of more influence that affords them either technological or occult equipment or outright supernatural abilities, and they often but not always have an ancient lineage.
Anyone can use Advanced Armoury (and that's even brought up that there's a black market for it, which is a good Chronicle hook) and Relics, but the Lucifuge are a powerful and world spanning organization with incredible Conspiratorial influence, even despite having only six-hundred and sixty-six fullblooded members. They're stretched thin, but they're definitely a conspiracy even in the lower-case-c sense.
The only Conspiracy that's NOT really a "Conspiracy" is the Knights of Saint Adrian, but they're also the youngest Conspiracy, and already have at least regional influence.
>>46990387
>No need to inject politics into it not that it matters either way.
They're a political group. There's a subgroup literally called "Politicals", and beyond that, the very concept of a Union is a political one.
>Network Zero is Anonymous
They're not, though. They'd be more Reddit, if anything, since they're an actual forum. But frankly they're all Youtubers. Hell, browse the spooky parts of Youtube and you've got Network Zero ideas.
>>46990269
>But then again, I'm a weirdo that wants Hunter 2e to have less killing monsters and more researching/talking to/curing/arresting monsters.
It wouldn't be called Hunter, in that case. The word has a certain meaning.
>>46990538
The Hunt is about more than the final gunshots.
>>46990526
>of a Union is a political one.
idk like I said I always saw it as a community coming together. Actually thinking about it they are one of my favorites.
>>46990579
That's true. But it's about a hunt.
>>46990582
Unions are a real life concept. They're all about workers and tradesmen coming together to have a larger voice and power through collective bargaining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union
Unions have mostly been demonized in America for the last few decades, and the only major one is the Policeman's unions, which are also the people who tend to keep corrupt cops on the force because muh thin blue line.
>>46990616
Yes, but the Hunt can be metaphorical. Indiana Jones Hunts for lost artifacts and hidden knowledge. NetZero Hunts for the truth. Not every hunter needs to be focused on directly fighting monsters, even if searching for knowledge tends to put your life in danger in the Chronicles of Darkness.
A sizeable number of Compacts actually DO pursue their Vigil in a way that's not about murdering things. It's just that most of them also are boring to play, because they don't really do something that's fun to do in a Chronicle.
Playing a businessman who engineers hostile takeovers in a gritty action horror game is not very exciting.
>>46990538
And Demons aren't usually rogue sentient programs.
>>46991097
>Unions are a real life concept. They're all about workers and tradesmen coming together to have a larger voice and power through collective bargaining.
Yes I am aware its just how I read the actual group in the book
>>46991131
>A group of mobilized, politicized workers in Chicago discovered that the disease that plagued their children was no natural phenomenon.
>It's not so political these days, but it serves the same purpose as those men and women of Chicago so long ago: Ordinary people standing together as one against those who would oppress them.
>You're a political activist, and the monsters are just another kind of oppressor to hunt. The people in the antiwar group think you've got a screw loose. The people in the Union reckon the days of left-wing direct action are over. But what is the Union's purpose if it isn't a kind of social justice in action?
>You've never thought about politics in your life. You're just a guy trying to get by. By day, you're a youth worker, trying to stop the local kids falling prey to drugs, keeping them out of the gangs, trying to do something about the poverty you see all around you. By night, you're keeping those kids safe from things that the other social workers don't even believe in.
>Politicals: Politicals want to go back to the Union's predecessors, and go even beyond the General Strike: They say it's the Union's job to fight all oppression, both from the supernatural monsters and the human ones, who exploit people all over the world. Politicals are often very dangerous people -- they're extreme in their views and actions. Some of them even end up on security agencies' lists of suspected terrorists. Blowing up a train car to get their message across... it's hard business, but they do what they think they must.
http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/cod/htv/CompactUn.html
There's still a sort of undercurrent of politicism there.
>>46991296
All i am saying is you focus on the political stuff that I just dont find important. What is important is that regular men and women,communities are coming together. THATS the important thing.
>So anyway, she was telling us about the time when her buddies hooked up with the Network Zero guy for a fi ght and she told him to come armed. He brought a baseball bat and a handicam. Nothing else.
Ballsy as fuck
>>46991414
Union are pussies.
>>46991358
I'm not focusing on it. I just said that my first impression was that they'd be the right wing redneck stereotype Hunter.
Then again, Unions as a concept are pretty Leftist. Downright Marxist, some would argue.
>>46991476
wanting protection is a universal want.
>>46991533
Yes, but Conservatives tend to demonize labour unions as being unfair to job creators and hampering the free market.
>>46991599
Yes, poor millionaires...
>>46991599
Of COURSE it's hampering the free market.
An unregulated free market eventually ends up with only monopolies.
>>46991599
>>46992048
>>46992158
ok lets not get too /pol/
>>46992184
Wait, discussing socio-economic theory is /pol/?
I thought it was all complaining about niggers and jews?
>>46986421
The explosion itself, sure, you can make an explosion of whatever magnitude you can manage the Spell Factors for. But it's just an explosion - the radiation is a separate thing you'd have to ALSO create, and so on.
>>46992746
/pol/ is just politics. Just so happen that the only people that need a board to discuss politics are racist and conspiracy theorists.
>>46992746
>>46992811
that being said I gamed with some people from /pol/ and I dont agree with some of their political views but they arent bad people.
i keep fucking forgetting about primal fear. Jesus shit gauru is robust.
>>46993605
Primal Fear is insanely powerful.
The one time it came out in our game, a room full of street gang members died horribly after one roll.
>>46993605
>>46993850
Werewolf is the best game, man.
>>46993920
Can confirm, werewolf is so good.
>>46985485
>turning one gay is cruel
>turning thousands gay is not
Surely it's either neither is, or both are. They're literally the same thing.
>>46995306
>"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
Works the same for forced sexual reassignment.
>Demon says Cover dot costs three Cover Experiences
>literally lower down on the same page it has a chart of costs that says Cover is 2 per dot
One of them is an impostor, which one do I shoot.
Also why is this.
>>46995306
That means they all have someone to be gay with.
>>46995534
But so does the one guy. Now it's time to roll to seduce.
>>46995492
You must have an old document.
Which of the Mage Orders would you join up with?
I'm not sure if I'm hardcore enough to be a Guardian, but their ethos makes the most sense to me.
>>46996139
Silver Ladder.
>>46996139
The Guardians want to prepare the world for a hypothetical Mage messianic figure.
I'd join the Free Council or Mysterium. Both are nerds.
>>46996139
Silver Ladder.
They teach you to feel pride, and help your fellow man.
>>46996139
Free council.
Does the paste bin contain all the books?
>>46979583
>!!!! GET FUCKIN' HYPE YA'LL
But it's not the start of the One World of Darkness, Anon!
>>46995606
different anon here. I checked my copy of the book and it looks like I have an old version too. I wonder how many of my pdfs are like this :[
Chronicles/World of darkness is yellow.
>>46998630
the fuck is that supposed to even mean?
>>46998630
Wizards of the Coast really dropped the ball with D&D didn't they?
>>46993605
That is the main reason my group (me excluded) hates that form. They think it's unacceptable that things like elder vampires get scared by things like that.
>>46998962
Elder vampires should be scared of it. It's the essence of predation manifest in its most brutal, direct form, and what would a vampire fear more than a straightforward threat to its eternal life?
Everything should fear Gauru. Including other werewolves. Which is how it works!
>>46998962
Elder vampires, and virtually all spat PC's and NPC's, are not "lesser enemies" that would suffer from Primal Fear.
The mechanic is primarily to eradicate lesser spirits and human mooks, thugs and similar NPC's.
>>46999010
No, I mean, the Defence reduction.
>>46998630
Considering that WoD vanished with the transition to e-publishing, I suspect that chart is based on sales from traditional gaming stores.
It's still fucking atrocious though.
>>46999002
Honestly though. Any BP 6+ should be able to take out any werewolf of equal or lower rank.
Frenzy + Physical Intensity is beastly.
Why SHOULD they fear a Gauru? Werewolves are only dangerous up to around BP 4.
>>46998630
That's a really fucking poorly made graph.
I mean holy shit, there's just too much going on.
