Tireless Tracker is my Waifu Edition
Gameday for SOI Saturday, whatchu brewin?
just ordered this to finish out my deck :3
Also, can anyone help me with the rules here:
Let's say I have one Erdwal Illuminator and 4x Tireless Trackers in play.
If I play a land, and its the first time I'd investigate this turn, how many clues do I get?
>>46946084
5. 2 from the first trigger to resolve (1 from the tracker, one from the Illuminator), 1 from each of the other 3 triggers to resolve.
>>46946566
That's what I figured - but I was curious if all of the Investigates trigger at the same time?
>>46946710
All Trackers' investigate triggers trigger at the same time, but those triggers are put on the stack one after the other (in an order you decide), not parallel to each other. So only one of them resolves first.
>>46946710
They trigger at the same time but, like any triggered ability, they each go on the stack and resolve individually. they don't resolve simultaneously.
>>46946798
>>46946812
Thanks!
Im just returning so I wasn't sure.
planning on taking this to a (fairly casual) game day
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rg-landfallrampsomething/
planning on replacing hellkites + awakening with dragonmasters.
ulvenwald hydra might also be worth trying. can't really get world breaker sadly.
I have a playset of atarkas command and one foil and one nonfoil kolaghans command
should i sell them before rotation
>>46949881
Yes
Just built the most shitty U/G eldrazi deck, give me advice or insults
2x Ulamog
1x Kozilek
1x Reality Smasher
1x Thought-Knot Seer
3x Hedron Crawler
4x Mist Intruder
4x Eldrazi Skyspawner
4x Blisterpod
3x Slip Through Space
3x Abtrusive Interference
3x Ruin in Their Wake
3x Call the Scions
2x Cryptolith Rites
2x Hedron Archive
4x Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
8x Island
8x Forest
4x Wastes
>>46949881
Yep. The little play they will see and the relatively high price they have right and how they are going to go lower and lower until rotation.
Hello everyone, i really liked this brew, but i don't know if it is worth playing it, what do you think, guys?
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-20-9-tix-standard-mono-blue-brains
>>46945962
>Gameday for SOI Saturday, whatchu brewin?
That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I can't decide betweenJund Midrange withouit Gitgud FrogandGrixis Controland I'm flipping through which one I want to do last minute. It's not fun.
>>46956317
I've been playingJund midrange without Gitgud Frogand it'sTotally correc to not play gitgud frog.I'm also super unhappy with basicalyl every list so far so I don't think Jund can be a "thing"
I played G/B Elves and stomped FNM for a couple months before SOI came out, but now my deck just can't deal with anything deal with the new white. Maindeck Archangel of Tithes, Declaration in Stone, and Always Watching (never mind all the little Origins first strikers) all wreck me utterly unless I happen to draw and/or CoCo into my full set of Shamans before it's too late.
Is there anything I can do about this? I can't think of any SOI cards that would be much help, and it's not like I'll be able to build a completely new deck by Saturday...
>>46958361
Duress for the declarations and always watching, languish to put humans down although it hurts your elves just as much. Maybe run more draw enablers like painful truths or ob nixilis?
>>46954350
Im assuming kozilek and ulamog are your finishers - if you are playing green you should use from beyond, at the very least to allow you to draw ulamog or kozile to your hand.
>>46949881
idk, they may drop a bit around rotation time, but they're used more often in modern than in standard, especially Kolaghan's command, making itself a staple in the most expensive modern format deck, i.e. Jund, and Atarka's Command is also a staple for most if not all burn decks, again in modern. Hold on to the foil K-Command if anything.
>>46958591
I run Duress and Eyeblight Massacre in the board, but I never know what to sub out. (Also Gilt-Leaf Winnower, which comes in handy against a whole lot of devks.) Right now I have two each but maybe I should tick it up to three. I have some pretty loose slots in my board anyway.
I could definitely use more draw - anything to get my Shamans faster - but I'm not sure how I would incorporate that into the main deck without tampering with its structure. I've already got four each of CoCo, Elvish Visionary and Sylvan Messenger. I guess maybe I could consider running Seek the Wilds or Oath of Nissa?
>>46957438
I disagree, Gitgud Froggerino has won me plenty of games, where it either was able to dodge most common removal, like Roast, Ultimate Price, Languish, and Grasp, and beat down to game, or grinded out the match. Even had a match, where he stood around for 5 turns, though the opponent kept finding a way to chump, I drew 8 cards off his land ability, giving me so much overwhelming gas that I was able mach card for hard that he threw till I just broke the balance with a shit ton of removal and won from there. Went 4-0 that day.
>>46959197
How about duskwatch recruiter? I know its not an elf but it can give that advantage, and if manages to flip you can cast SoP for 2 mana
>>46959008
I have only one of those but I can slip it in, what would you advise I take out?
What are some good white/green ways to deal with planeswalkers quickly? Or to deal with cards like ultimate price/to the slaughter?
>>46959628
the blink card?
>>46949881
Sell them now, rebuy them when they dip.
where to sell jaces online
>>46959972
Flip Jace or new Jace?
>>46960043
flip
Thinking about taking this to FNM/Gameday tomorrow. Semi competitive, but mostly using shit I have for now. Suggestions welcomed.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-eldrazi-ramp-tokens-budget/
>>46945962
I thought it was a dude!
>>46949881
Atarka's Command maybe. Kolaghan's Command absolutely not. Do not sell K-Command. Not only can it be a very easy outlet for Madness(you can target yourself) but it sees lot of play in other formats.
Noob questions
When exactly does damage reset on a creature? After the end of combat step? For example if I block a 2/2 with a 1/1 what is my window to do fatal damage with a 1 damage to creature instant?
If I declare attackers and my opponent then declares no blockers I can then play titans strength or whatever and they can't change their mind right? They have to take all that damage?
>>46960094
You probably don't want blisterpod, you don't have any ways to sac it so you're essentially paying G for a chump blocker and a scion. Play a regular mana dork like lief gilder or deathcap cultivator
>>46960690
damage on a creature is removed at the end of the turn
>>46960708
So I could finish it off with a sorcery in the second main phase?
>>46960715
Yes.
>>46960720
Okay, and if they dont declare blockers they can't go back on that if i play a buff instant right?
>>46960733
Yes, because choosing not to block moves you into the combat damage phase.
Im thinking about replacing Ulvenwald Mysteries with Town Gossipmonger.
But I also have no other idea of what to put in
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-soi-humans-1/
Looking for advice on how to deal with low cost burn decks, aggro vampire decks etc.
>>46962033
Negate/Dispel
Tbfh, you really can't do anything. However, you do have swaths of creatures. They won't have enough burn for all of that.
>>46962033
Also, I'm a huge fan of Reflector Mage. it's a human, has 3 toughness and if you're splashing blue, you might as well.
With Tokens, you should put in Westvale Abbey. Always a threat, trust me. Especially with 4x Hanweir!
I really wish Jace's Sanctum wasn't 4CMC, shit would pair nicely with Harness the Storm
any tips on how to work in the present meta?
trying to get into standard from kitchen table, using shit I had lying around but I'm willing to go buy little things
>>46962062
>>46962139
Taken on board. I will work on the mana base and see if I can run blue reliably
>>46962252
I run 3 port towns and 1 island.
Though, I also have 3 cryptolith rites which makes my mana base very efficient with my x2 Nissas
Right now my biggest problem is coming up with a 15 card sideboard.
I'm going to throw in my clip wings, but since I am just returning to magic, my collection isn't very large for standard. It's 99% SOI
>>46962342
give up probably
>>46946837
However if you have, say, 1 Tireless Tracker, 4 Erdwal Illuminator you'd Investigate 5 times. The good thing about Erdwal is that it allows you to Investigate on your opponent's turn, so you can say, cast Exposed Evil / Press for Answers / Confront the Unknown and Investigat an additional 5 times, which makes Confront the Unknown increasingly lethal.
>>46962196
Build a really cheap budget deck like R/W Equipment/Allies or U/R Prowess
>>46962342
if you're running blue just add in 15 counterspells
>>46959301
> duskwatch recruiter
That's... not a bad idea, actually.
Sideboard or main?
Friend wants a budget deck because he lost his deck in rotation.
How's this? The local meta is very casual
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-w-r-weapons-trainer#online
Anything to add like Open the Armory or Strength in Arms? I already suggested Always Watching and the R/W painlands.
Again, he's not looking to top, just do somewhat decently.
>>46959301
Actually, wait - how much is the werewolf that draws you cards when an opponent plays instants on your turn?
>>46965994
This guy?
>>46965789
I would main it
>>46965824
Consider adding in reckless bushwhacker
>>46965824
I converted my R/W allies into a R/W Ally equip. It's pretty fun to play - I recommend an angelic captain - equipped with stoneforge masterwork and captain claws, I had her swinging in the air for 24 - not even counting everyone else swinging with doublestrike on the ground.
>>46966517
Yeah, him. I got him mixed together with Duskwatch Recruiter in my head. I feel like he could be decent sideboard tech against burn/control.
Planning on running a friend's build of Jon Finkel's GB Seasons Past deck.
Tried the deck for a bit and it was fine, but I feel like the deck needs another wincon. Any Suggestions?
>>46967380
Gaea's Revenge
>>46965824
>>46966570
Seconding that - reckless bushwacker really helps out with swinging hard.
anybody here play Hex? i've not seen much discussion on the game since the steam release
any ideas on a u/b madness deck?
I have four flip jaces, four recklass scholars, four heirs of falkenrath, four gisa's bidding, three the vampire madness twins, four murderous compulsion a few negates/ broken concentrations one zephyr scribe
those are the corner stones
>>46968897
somebody.. anybody
If you use Knight of the white orchid to bring out canopy vista or other dual plains, do they enter tapped or does it play untapped?
>>46969775
"As Port Town enters the battlefield..."
So, you'd still have to reveal a plains/other mana.
>>46969924
Port Town can't be grabbed by Knight.
It can grab the BFZ lands, and they will enter untapped if you have 2+ basics.
>>46969924
>>46969966
So it still enters tapped. Thats a shame
>>46970030
No.
Read the card.
When you fetch Stream or Vista with Knight, do you have 2 basics out?
>Yes
Enters untapped
>No
Enters tapped.
Jesus read your cards.
>>46970113
>>46969924
Im the port town dude. I totally misunderstood which lands he was talking about.
But yeah, that's exactly what it would be.
Buimt the Monoblue Brains meme deck. The list is almost the same but replaced 1 grip for one more disperse.
How can I improve the list?
>>46970246
run some adverse conditions, cut some nagging thoughts you need to make sure you don't die before you can get your combo off.
>>46970246
Depends on you meta.
Which ia dominant? Aggro or Control deck? For aggro deck you will hav to main things like Ojutai breath and that instant that taps two creatures and have spell mastery.
>>46961957
Not quite
Everybody gets priority after blockers (or the lack thereof) are declared, but choosing to block isn't something you do when you have priority, it's a decision the game prompts the defending player to make at the beginning of the declare blocks step and THEN everybody gets priority regardless of what decision they make
>>46968897
any thoughts?
>>46970775
yeah
UR MOM
>>46970794
ebin
Thinking of making an ally-deck for the Gameday this weekend.
Should I go for WR equipment, WBR or BW lifegain?
Pretty happy about this
>>46971154
fuck you
>>46970246
Like some anon said, it depends on the meta. Bring tapping effects for control and bring counterspells and sphinx for control matches.
>>46971154
Lucky you, I only got the regular version
>>46971154
>tfw I had neckbeards begging me to trade or sell them my Titi promo
Nice get though if its what you wanted.
>>46970794
so true my mom was pissed when i bought those jaces
>>46971074
Bump
>>46971154
Ugh. I hate you. But good draw.
I got a regular. Flipped it for 50$ last week. Got some lands.
>>46972364
I turned a lili, nissa and a nahiri into a jund manabase. It was surprisingly satisfying knowing they were all pulls.
>>46972160
she should be. you spent 200 dollars on slips of cardboard for your little game.
>>46970246
Cut some nagging thoughts. Run only 2 since anticipates is way better and you'll rarely use the madness from nagging thoughts.
Bring try to make space for 2-3 clash of wills. And replace grip of the void for ojutai's breath and send to sleep.
Put some counterspells in sideand and thee artifact from origiins that makes you gain life when casting a spell of a color you'va chosen.
>>46972496
Fucking jaces are over 80$ m8
>>46972522
I played yesterday with that deck. Ended 2-1-1.
Get stuff to stall your enemy and IMO cut 2 blight lands for 2 islands since you want to have islands when casting engul the shore. Keep the mage ring metworks since its the best thing we can have when battling control decks.
Vs control decks, send to sleep works wonders here since you tap their manland for 1 turn,reducing their mana available for the next turn. I get only a couple of them for that match. Mostof the time the one that drops sphinx of last word is the winner.
>>46973237
Sry but I just dont see this meme deck being good enough for even FNMs. Its a pretty bad deck that dies at turn 4-5 cause of lack of removals.
What you bros think of this list? Extremely budget for my first MTGO deck.
>>46967380
Gaea's Revenge, Damnable Pact are good extra alt wincons.
Gaea's Revenge:
Pros: Gaea's Revenge virtually immune to almost all forms of common spot removal being played. Can't be countered.
Cons: Lack of trample can be chump blocked all day and 5 toughness is a bit low for a large creature. Can be stripped with Transgress the Mind in a mirror match.
Damnable Pact:
Pros: Technical CMC of 2 meaning immune to Transgress the Mind, can be used to target self for extra draw if needed and a very easy fireball finisher.
Cons: When used to give self card draw is worse off than Read the Bones for the same mana input. If not used to finish off opponent it can be a liability. Orbs of Warding in mirror match can make it a dead card.
>>46973875
>Eldrazi deck
>Evolving Wilds but no Wastes
Put some Wastes in. Be it one or two you want to be able to have the option of fetching for colourless mana if possible.
What's the best way to store transforming cards? I only have the sleeves that come with the ultra pro toploaders that are clear.
I'm that Rakdos Eldrazi guy who posted here last (?) thread.
Please tell me no one wasted money on my shitbrew
I finally got matched against competent opponents running good decks and got stomped. The deck has way too many bad cards in it.
>>46974538
what brew? List?
>>46974554
I'll post the list I'm updating to
Top-Tier Cards for this deck
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Forerunner of Slaughter
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Visions of Brutality
Cards I'm iffy about
2 Dust Stalker
4 Asylum Visitor (new)
4 Sin Prodder (new)
2 Spatial Contortion
2 Eldrazi Obligator
22 Lands (4 Corrupted Crossroads, 4 Battlefield Forge, 4 Caves of Koilos, 2 Sea Gate Wreckage, 4 Mountain, 4 Swamp)
Board :
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Languish
2 Flaying Tendrils
3 Transgress the Mind
2 To the Slaughter
2 Chandra, Flamecaller
2 Vile Aggregate
>>46974722
Note : I would play Kolaghan's Command if I wasn't being a poorfag about this deck
>>46974761
>>46974722
Thx senpai.
>>46974722
Hmm, actually, the Flaying Tendrils should be Radiant Flames now that I consider that I'm running pain lands
>>46974791
You're not actually going to run this pile of shit, are you?
>>46975056
It looks like it. Similar lists show up topping in various tourneys, at least according to goldfish. I don't see much wrong with the idea, aside from a debatable matchup vs ramp.
>>46974370
Clear sleeves in the box, and use placeholder cards in the deck. That way you dont have to keep flipping it around and potentially damaging it over time. It triggers me to no end when people do that.
>>46975228
The clear sleeves have are a little loose, since I think it's because they're supposed to go inside the hard plastic toploader. It should be fine since I'm not shuffling them, yeah?
>whatchu brewin?
Put together a BW Midrange Ally deck. Kinda janky but pretty fun and can steal wins.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-03-16-ally-aristocrats/
>>46975228
>>46975305
>>46974370
Personally I just sleeve them flipped and unflipped, using cheap ultra pro sleeves and nice fitting clear sleeves.
alright /tg/ give me ideas for jank ass shitbrews
if it's linear/boring/consistant/good then it's not jank enough
>>46975836
U/G delirium
>>46975836
UG : Brain in a Jar + Season's Past, recur Part the Waterveil until you beat down with TITI
>>46975966
how exactly do you recur part the waterveil
>>46975988
Seasons Past can bring it back, and a 1 cmc, and a 2 cmc, and a 3, a 4, a 5, a 7, and so on
Consider putting Black in for Demonic Pact, the 5 cmc tutor to get Seasons Past back into your hand, because you can then run Accursed Witch to clock them as you durdle on extra turns. Not to mention efficient removal spells like Ultimate Price (2 cmc), Ruinous Path (3 cmc) and Languish (4 cmc)
>>46976043
Part the Waterveil exiles itself on resolution, you can't get it out of the graveyard
>>46976066
oh, damn it.
Is there a processor that hits your own exile yard?
>>46976083
not that I can think of
there's gotta be a way to break this somehow
might add bushwhackers or uncaged fury
Playing Black/Red burn at the Standard GP in NY
How badly will I get crushed by every other deck?
>>46973913
>>46967439
Guess I'll look into these then, thanks.
Trying to play the deck now but I keep losing literally every match.
>>46976425
Why run war paint over this my dude?
>>46977321
What decks are you playing against? To be fair this is not a straightforward deck to pilot and Bant Company and RG Ramp decks are not very good matchups to fight game 1.
>>46973875
Your landbase needs tweaking.
You have Foreboding Ruins and only 6 basics. That is a terrible chance to play it untapped. You need to have at least 12-14 ways to reveal a Swamp or Mountain to have it enter play untapped first or second turn with great success. You're honestly better off running Smoldering Marsh instead and adding a few Wastes.
>>46977864
Well so far I've lost to:
Mardu control
Gw tokens
Rg eldrazi ramp
Elves coco seasons past
Tamiyo clue mill
I don't think that I've won a single matchup with it yet, and the deck only has one kalitas since every store is sold out.
I feel as if the deck had a hard time with any permanent that drops that isn't a creature, and often find myself running out of resources too quickly. I will keep on testing it though since my alternative is an atarka Red deck that just folds to almost everything in the meta.
>>46978117
You honestly shouldn't be losing to GW tokens. You have so many ways to recur board wipes and strip their hand and kill their planeswalkers over and over again.
The deck is a soft-lock/prison type deck that grabs answers out of the graveyard all the time.
>Elves CoCo Seasons Past
>Tamiyo clue mill
Fuck me those are some spicy deck archetypes. I wouldn't know what to do there either.
>I feel as if the deck had a hard time with any permanent that drops that isn't a creature, and often find myself running out of resources too quickly.
Why? You should be able to grab Ruinous Path for planeswalkers and Duress/Transgress to strip anything they hold back and Languish to wipe/reset the board. You can keep casting Dark Petition over and over again grabbing your Seasons Past fetching the right answers you need in your graveyard.
I'm going to todays FNM with a deck from mtgo that I've seen some dude named mulldrifter play.
It's basically Season's Past with a white splash and a bit more creatures/token makers and less removal.
When I playtested it it wasn't a perma loss to bant company and it seems to do good vs controls as well.
If it won't work out I'll go with BG or UW humans.
the abzan control deck:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/406684#paper
Anyone on b/g aristocrats here? I build the deck for gameday since I had most of the cards but I really fail to see the gameplan.
Going wide gets completly countered by basicly anything with more than 1 toughness.
Nantuko just gets removed and you never get enough Cutthroats really for a combo kill.
Watching LSV on the top 8 is also... eh. Either he has some insane draw or gets completly stomped.
So this stone haven medic has a mana symbol and the tap symbol for his ability, does that mean you have to tap a plains mana and also tap the creature to use that ability?
>>46979687
yes
>>46958361
Would you mind posting your decklist?
>>46978361
>You honestly shouldn't be losing to GW tokens. You have so many ways to recur board wipes and strip their hand and kill their planeswalkers over and over again.
Lost to Secure the Wastes x5 into Westvale Abbey. Kinda hard to boardwipe that.
>
Why? You should be able to grab Ruinous Path for planeswalkers and Duress/Transgress to strip anything they hold back and Languish to wipe/reset the board. You can keep casting Dark Petition over and over again grabbing your Seasons Past fetching the right answers you need in your graveyard.
In one circumstance I had a languish and a dark petition in hand. I only had enough mana for one or the other and had to decide between killing their thought-knot or killing their Chandra.
Same thing happened with two tokens on the battlefield and a nissa, and I ended up eating 8 damage just to be able to kill the nissa.
Also the deck doesn't do shit against artifacts/enchantments if you can't strip them in time.
>>46981498
>Lost to Secure the Wastes x5 into Westvale Abbey. Kinda hard to boardwipe that.
You can double Grasp of Darkness the Ormendahl, in fact that's actually what Jon Finkel did in the Pro Tour.
>Also the deck doesn't do shit against artifacts/enchantments if you can't strip them in time.
That's true which is why after sideboarding you have Naturalise and can keep on destroying them.
But again I digress that the deck is really not easy to pilot so keep at it.
Are there any game clients that you guys can suggest aside from Xmage? I've been encountering bugs that just makes it hard to test with sometimes, like getting an extra card when i rollback the turn
>>46977482
I like having control over my creatures, never know when you might have to keep back a blocker.
Retweaked it a bit more.
>>46978117
What kind of decklist exists for Tamiyo clue mill?
looking to top today what deck should I be playing?
>>46976083
Doesn't exist they really thought it through when making that card.
>>46964447
>Have opponent attack with two monsters
>Two Confront the unknown with 11 clues in play
Worst thing, he used up at least 3 clues per turn to get human tokens on the field as defense. Good thing, it's my deck anyway and I'm falling in love with it. Just need more tireless tracker and another Tamiyos
>>46984213
Tamiyo's Journal, that mill enchantment that mills 3 for every clue that you sac, and a ton of clue makers and counterspells.
>>46985150
basically this
its really good you just need to draw into tamiyos journal and tutor startled awakes
>>46985175
>Tamiyos with this card
Shit was so cash, never have I dreamed of such a thing to exist.
Convince me to go to both game days even with my shitty deck.
>>46985993
Is it cheap?
Game day is $6 in my area, $10 at max.
Better if you go with friends.
>>46982257
Managed to finally win some games against BW Control and RG Dragons
>>46986011
$10 CADSo like 2.50 American.
And I'd go with friends, but I don't have any local friends. There's a good chance my friendly rivalbro will be there, though.
>>46986026
Sounds like its worth going then.
If your deck sucks try to work on it or go to FNM tonight and practice.
Avacyn is fake and not a "real" angel?
>>46986099
She's an artificial construct made by an old walker out of angel stuff (white mana), not a natural phenomenon
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-04-16-bu-zombies/
Any advice? I can't afford Lillianas or anymore copies of Kalitas for now (i will go up to 2 eventually). I was thinking of focusing more on Token generation with Mage-Ring Networks (for a big cast of from under the floorboards) Zulaport Cutthroats (i have 4) and Nantuko Husk (i have 4).
The only other relevant cards I have for Zombies are more Forgotten Creations, another Geralf's Masterpiece, Ob Nixilis Reignited.
I'm feeling 4 diregraf might be too many but I'm not sure. Also don't feel good about the mana curve but I'm done buying dual lands for a little while.
>>46986664
>Made out of Sorin's white stuff
The old fashioned way, eh?
>>46987089
And now my headcannon is he banged Nahiri to make Avacyn (hence the similarity)
There's actually a lot of implications to that
Is there any way for Black, Green, or Red to effectively deal with B/G Aristocrats?
Flaying Tendrils so they don't get triggers maybe? Although that doesn't work if Husk is already on field.
So, what do you guys think of that new Mono-U Brain deck that is floating around? Is it any good?
>>46988685
Played against it in FNM. The deck is complete jank. It might surprise someone and take a win but after sideboarding the deck folds too easily to either aggro, negates and hallowed moonlight which are all pretty common my LGS.
>>46988772
Fuck, I am new to Magic and I decided to buy this deck as my first. Now it feels like I wasted my money...... So it isn't good at all?
>>46988816
Wait dude, the deck is cheap, fun to play and can snatch some good wins, desu I'm thinking about buying it as well. However you will not win against anyone tryharding into super competitive decks. Sadly my LGS is a very big and renowed one so everyone is tryharding into super competitive decks for FNM.
Should I play 2 Stoneforge Masterwork in G/W Humans or should I drop them in favor of a third Odric and a fourth White Orchid? Really not too sure if they're worth running.
>>46989984
Play the creatures instead. They aren't great if you have other options
>>46986815
I've been running a U/B zombies list for a while trying to break the deck and while it has a relatively good matchup against most control decks, some other midrange and aggro lists can give it a problem. Deck is like an Aggro-Control archetype where you're able to dodge most pinpoint removal like Declaration in Stone with the Nantuko Husk and can even reanimate whatever you sac by saccing a Relentless Dead as well and making more Zombie tokens. Almost like playing Bridge from Below but having to pay mana. The deck is seriously close to being a thing, it's just a tad short of a few things at the moment like an appropriate Zombie lord(Risen Executioner is really clunky, really want Diregraf Captain or so.)
The secretly best card in U/B Zombies that nobody has been trying? Epiphany at the Drownyard. It is 100% the right shell for this card.
This is my list for reference http://deckstats.net/deck-9927243-cb013466caacf289dc263140d4a80323.html maybe you like it, maybe you don't.
>>46988939
Ok. Thats all I want. I know a 20 buck deck will never compete with tier 1 but I can take this and have fun at FNM right and learn the game?
Meh, I wanna go to FNM but im still waiting on singles to come in the mail. All I have to potentially bring is extremely unfinished izzet aggro with no bellstrikers and no abbots (bleh) and white weenies with 1 always watching 1 thalias lieutenant and 0 of any of the other good cards (no kytheon, no white orchid, no tithes, no secure the wasteland, no archangel)
Should I even bother going?
>>46987247
Kalitas will do fine. Another option is to useTainted Remedy
>>46992590
Yea for the most part, but you may need to put some effort into it since Blue isn't exactly the easiest color to start out with.
Well /tg/, I got my eldrazi list sans Chandra. Going to give it a whirl at game day on sunday
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/humans-on-innistrad/
Well, this it. Game day is tomorrow, and it's look pretty casual, so this deck might have a chance. I've added in my finished set of what I've been looking for, so I'm set to go, barring one problem. I'm a little bit over the limit, and nervous about what to cut.
>>46982257
I thought Indestructible made them immune to dying from things that 'dealt damage' etc. - is -4 not considered damage?
>>46994900
it is not damage, it'd death through state based effects
>>46993914
-1 Hanweir
- 2 dauntless cathar
+2 odric lunarch marshal
+1 kythrons irregulars
>>46994958
To make it 60
-2 angelic purge
+1 stasis snare or obliteration field
>>46994958
>>46994985
Let's assume it's too late to add anything new, but it's good to know I can safely drop creatures.
I think it's more important to drop a couple of lands, but I'm not sure exactly which two to drop. And perhaps one of the Ulvenwalds, but I'm not 100% on that, since it's the workhorse.
>>46992590
Yeah you can start with that deck, but its tricky to play it. You have to know when should you bouncethe creatures. For example, if you opponent have some nontoken creatures and 5 cards in hand, if there is a chance, use Engulf the Shore at the beggining of end step. You will bounce his creatures and he'll have to discard his stuff.
I upgraded this version into a UB one. You'll have to paay for the UB lands (from BfZ y SoI). Icut naggin thoughts and have 2 main, replaced grip for ultimate price and graps of darkness. Replaced engul with Languish and reduced Part the Watervail in 3 cards,
Get discards,counterspells abd Sphinx of Last Word for mirror/control matches
>>46995633
Oh, you could do that as well, I didnt look too hard but those are some cheap improvements you can make. Odric is insane sometimes when you go wide with lifelink/first strike/vigilance/flying. Ormendahl + Odric is crazy.
>>46995633
But for now yeah drop a land, youre already gonna be cracking a lot of clues as it is and you'll get the mana you need from the draws imo
>>46996528
>>46996542
There. I cut the Byway Couriers, the Dauntless Cathars, and a Forest. Hopefully 4 Fortified Villages doesn't mean my mana is going to slow down, but in the event that it is, I could just switch a forest back in. I don't have the experience to say whether it will, though. These lands look better for early game.
And Westvale Abbey goes in because it can. I'm not planning to win with it, but if I do, aces.
>mfw 80% of my meta is white weenies, W/G aggro, or W/U
>don't have the money to buy inflated languishes
>flaying tendrils doesn't get the job done
I think I've been drastically undervaluing first strike up until now. How the fuck do I deal with this bullshit? I'm thinking B/G Aristocrats but I don't have money for Lilianas.
>>46996396
got any list?
I'm working on some sort of mono green eldrazi ramp because I'm too poor for Chandras. Any suggestions?
>>46996650
>don't have the money to buy inflated languishes
Languish is what? $6?
How about you stop wasting time playing a fantasy trading card game and go get a job?
Running B/G aristocrats since I had most of the deck from rotation (rally the ancestors)dropping some dryads for evolutionary leap, and adding some fleshbag marauders/vile redeemers instead of liliana since I couldn't get one, Also one rogue's passage since I couldn't get 3 westvale abbey
>>46983681
>No Zada
do you dislike drawing cards or turning your spells into massive team buffs
What's the point of gameday for newer players? I don't care about one free full art common, and I doubt I'll place top 8. Just doesn't seem worth it for 10 bucks
>>46997192
It's like 9
Also stop being a faggot.
>>46997481
If you can't afford a $9 card that's essential to the deck you're trying to play then you need to either find more disposable income or a less expensive hobby
>>46997519
Anon, who are you to tell people what to do?
>>46997545
I'm Richard Garfield, the president of Hasbro. Pic related, it's me.
I don't care what you do kid, whether it's getting a job or just cracking open your piggy bank, or stealing from your granny. You're going to pay me $9 per Languish whether you like it or not.
>>46997646
I fucking KNEW wizards was in on the speculator cabal
why else would the reserve list exist
I have some gitrog monsters, how do I meme on losers now?
>>47000244
Drownyard Temple and Sin Prodder
>>46994900
Well the thing is if a creature's toughness ever equals 0 it's put into the graveyard as a state based action. Indestructible cannot save it from this.
I have a question.
I am running an U/W midrange spirits/Archangel of Tithes deck and I want to make it a little bit more competitive.
I found quite a bit of trouble with mana during the FNM yesterday; it's just too slow for my tastes - even considering that wast majority of my cards are 2-3 drops with the most expensive card being 4.
My mana base is as follow:
>4 Prairie Stream
>4 Port Town
>4 Evolving Wilds
>5 Islands
>7 Plains
Is it worth keeping the Wilds or should I just them wholly or partially and run normal land instead?
>>47001427
Manabase seems fine really. Maybe cantrips or scry stuff to filter draws.
>>47001486
My only cantrip is Ojutai's Command, which I dislike playing a set of because it's a 4 drop, so I mainboard 2 and play 2 sideboard.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uw-spirits-of-tithes/
This is my decklist. Please bear in mind I am new to standard and "competitive" MtG in general though. Any help would be appreciated.
>>46965824
warping wail if you have painlands and ally land, for board wipe protection
Also, gryph's boon for ez flying, works with bushwhacker too..
>>47001584
I personally feel like the Reflector Mage in your list is kind of out of place. Right now Reflector Mage is being played only because of CoCo to be able to drop him in at instant speed all you're really doing is casting him, you may as well cast Roil Spout and effectively "Time Walk" your opponent instead, sure they'll cast the card again but they're sure as hell not going to draw another new card.
You have Bygone Bishop as a possible engine so run Erdwhal Illuminator because it's also a Spirit and synergises well with the investigate. Honestly your deck actually seems to have good synergy for the most part, you have potential to really abuse most creatures being cast at instant speed. Mizzium Meddler could easily fit in as a "Spellskite with flash" against particular spot removal or even steal any auras or pump spells against other particular decks. If you want to go with more of a beatdown with flyers you can consider Thunderclap Wyvern for extra +1/+1 on top of your Always Watching. Your early spirit dudes can get pretty big massively out of hand.
Just tweak and tailor your deck for your meta, if you need more anti-aggro stuff then tweak some cards here and there for it. More anti-control needed then play more counters, hexproof etc. Honestly you have the makings of a solid midrange spirits list.
Won Game Day with Esper Dragons, feels good.
>>47001427
I don't think two-coloured decks need Evolving Wilds.
Won my first gameday with UB Brains Meme deck.
I just added black and some removals instead of the bouncers. It worked just fine vs the aggro metagame in my LGS. Reduced Part of the Waterveil to 3 since its not really our winning condition but an enabler.
Really feels good to send over 14 zombies to your opponents face.
>>47002394
Fucking list man, my gameday starts in 4 hoours.
>>47002237
The only reason I even considered it is because it enables delirium on the Topplegeist. In practice, I only managed to use it properly once, against a W/B deck which I beat, and that was the case of me "winning more" since I already dominated. I am considering either removing them altogether or leaving 1-2 copies for occasional delirium/turn 1 mana fixing.
>>47002237
>I don't think two-coloured decks need Evolving Wilds.
Normally you'd be right but the format right now is pretty slow so you can get away with it.
>>47002510
Now from what I've seen at FNM you're not wrong, but that would only mean that there is benefit to playing as much early stuff as possible. Turn 2 EW is a difference between casting Anafenza and starting stacking counters and waiting until turn 3.
To be honest I'm just glad I got into standard at the time fetchlands rotated out, so no one really dominates with expensive mana base.
>>47002110
I know what you feel about Reflector Mage. The fool is not even a spirit. But he's just good and I can hardly find alternatives. Erdhwal illuminator seems like an ok idea but wouldn't I rather be casting more creatures than spend even more mana on investigate? If I found a good 2 drop flying alternative to the Mage I would have considered it.
As for the Thunderclap Wyvern, I am on the fence. I really like the idea of an instant speed 2/3 flier with anthem but it's a 4 drop and I already have 5 of those. Would you replace Archangels with them? Or Ojutai's?
>>47002110
Also, do you think it would make sense to upgrade Always watching and Archangels/Wyverns (depending on whichever I choose) to a full playset? I already bought them so I can do it, just not on the game day tomorrow.
>>47002592
>wouldn't I rather be casting more creatures than spend even more mana on investigate?
Sure but sometimes you don't want to flash in your spirit yet or want to hold up counterspell mana or you actually don't have the spirit yet but want to fake it and if they don't cast anything you may as well just crack and draw. If the game is dragging a bit you can just crack and draw and still have extra mana up. And when decks start playing a crapload of removal/board wipes you can catch up on card advantage.
>As for the Thunderclap Wyvern, I am on the fence. I really like the idea of an instant speed 2/3 flier with anthem but it's a 4 drop and I already have 5 of those. Would you replace Archangels with them? Or Ojutai's?
Just test and see if it works out well for you or if it ends up being garbage. Archangel of Tithes is one of the few creatures to survive Languish naturally but you have so many flyers already and a potential to even have Vigilance I feel that the Archange of Tithes is sort of redundant in trying to hold back. But still I can see why you play it since it never turns "off" with Always Watching. Like I said if you want to play with bigger beats then go for the Thunderclap somewhere. I like Ojutai's Command so keep it in, bringing back a Rattlechain with it can be really good.
Rate my meem
2 Arlinn Kord
2 Beastcaller Savant
4 Blisterpod
4 Catacomb Sifter
3 Cinder Glade
4 Cryptolith Rite
1 Dragonlord Atarka
3 Elvish Visionary
1 Foreboding Ruins
5 Forest
4 Hangarback Walker
3 Hissing Quagmire
4 Llanowar Wastes
4 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
2 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
2 Read the Bones
2 Smoldering Marsh
2 Swamp
2 Thopter Engineer
2 Westvale Abbey
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
Sideboard:
3 Bone Splinters
3 Duress
2 Evolutionary Leap
3 Natural State
2 Oath of Nissa
2 Ultimate Price
>>47002759
For Always watching? Sure, more anthems isn't really redundant. Don't really think you need to up the Archangel count since you don't really want it in opening hand in many cases.
Did you ever consider that one mana U flicker spell that gives it a +1/+1 counter if it's a Spirit? It would give you some resiliency against spot removal and slight beef.
>>47002889
I did! In fact, I ran Essence Flux in sideboard last FNM. I had two problems with it:
>It can reset counters on a creature
>It is less versatile than a Negate or Dispel - it can save me from spot removal but not from Languish or E L D R A Z I sacrifice crap.
I still treasure the thought of playing Eerie Interlude and keep in in the sideboard for the same reason - I just love flickers too much.
>>47002843
I also play the Archangel because it's a flashy card and I managed to pull 2 when I did Magic Origins sealed at a friend's place so I might as well use her.
I think for tomorrow's game day I will get rid of at least 2 Evolving Wilds, maybe all of them.
Some more questions for the learned /tg/:
- Should I keep Invocations of Saint Traft? It seems like a neat trick and I love the flavour but it performed sub-par during the FNM - I wonder if anyone has used it successfully.
- Do you know any sideboard options for Eldrazi hate?
>>47003126
>Should I keep Invocations of Saint Traft? It seems like a neat trick and I love the flavour but it performed sub-par during the FNM - I wonder if anyone has used it successfully.
If it was any other list i'd say cut them immediately. The fact that you have a whole bunch of stuff that can actually protect the creature it ends up enchanting and said creature could even have hexproof at times can be worth keeping. But on the other hand it is a non-bo with the Always Watching for the token. Ask yourself in what particular matchups will you be bringing the card in? If you don't know then probably safe to cut.
>Do you know any sideboard options for Eldrazi hate?
In what specific way? Like against Worldbreaker or something?
How's this janky flier list? I'm bored as shit right now and want to play something different.
>>47003331
>When I will be bringing it
As a potential three drops where the board state is in stalemate and I have a topplegeist just sitting there being useful. I haven't seen much fliers at all so far - Avacyn being the one exception. Also it's like one way to make the Reflector mage useful after it's been cast other than by just making him chump block.
>Eldrazi hate
Something that can prevent them from dropping their 3-4 hueg creature drops that allow them to filter through my hand and library.
>>47003418
>As a potential three drops where the board state is in stalemate and I have a topplegeist just sitting there being useful
You could have the option of making the Topplegeist bigger or making good use of the delirium much sooner to keep the board locked down.
>Also it's like one way to make the Reflector mage useful after it's been cast other than by just making him chump block.
Here's the problem with this line of thinking. You are playing a card with another card to make it less bad or "ok". You don't want to ever be doing this.
>Something that can prevent them from dropping their 3-4 hueg creature drops that allow them to filter through my hand and library.
Sounds like you got a problem with RG ramp with Worldbreaker which is tough, just going to have to save your Declaration in Stone for them or play some other cards like Angelic Purge. But honestly you either disrupt or go faster.
>>46988772
>negates and hallowed moonlight
And that's why you throw in dispels if they're running white or blue
Come on anon, it's a fucking blue deck. Reacting to their shit is the thing you're supposed to be doing. Unless they have lethal on board you should always wait until you have a counterspell if they have mana open on their turn before throwing the combo at them.
Went 3-1 twice at two separate standard events with the deck, both time got assblasted only by mono-W humans (beating CoCo, ramp and flat-out destroying any control deck). That matchup is fucking impossible.
>>47004103
Also should mention that you should run two Sphinx of the Final Word against the mirror and any deck you spot running counterspells.
>>47003389
Disgusting pile of crap
Why you are not playingMono U Brain MemeDeck?
>>47004843
mono-U meme deck didn't get 5th place at SSG states.
>>47004843
Brain deck is simply bad. Its a shitbrew deck with with 24 lands using 8 spells with cmc 6 that do nothing to finish your opponent.
otta thanks the guy that brew this shit so I could sell my blue stuff and get some cash.
Easiest playmat I've won tbqh senpai
>mfw aggro shitters don't see the maindeck Radiant Flames coming
>>47003389
Samefag here. What about R/B? I can't afford the Chandra's, will that ruin the deck?
I have four copies of fevered visions
What the fuck do I do with them
>tfw went up against some esper control shit that didnt do jack shit
>next 2 rounds was W Humans then b/r vamps
>Ez 3-0
Pic related are all my mats,not the orange one, but happy as fuck. Wonder if I should use the new one or stick with Drana, which I really like.
>>47004978
B.but anon, one of them is our winning condition.
>>47006673
That is fucking useless if there is no fuel in your graveyard.
Waterveil is only a enabler.
>>47006699
Dude just wtf am I reading here.
>ready my deck with a bunch of trades last night
>contact my store
>oh game day was cancelled for today, check back tomorrow
>contact the head judge of the store
>oh we forgot to apply so theres no game day prizes or tournaments this weekend
I really wanted the mat/promo
4-2 in gameday with gw tokens today. Got in 16th and got the Anguished Unmaking promo. Does anyone care about matchups and other specifics?
>>47006699
>That is fucking useless if there is no fuel in your graveyard
But you always have fucking fuel in your graveyard because half your deck is about putting shit in your graveyard
And nobody runs any graveyard hate ever since delve went out, not in maindeck not in sideboard
Is it true that the Game Day playmats can sell for $30-50? I won one today and a guy said I should hold onto it.
>>47007389
They sell for about 25€ in Yurop so I assume there's a similar price in Freedomland
>>47007389
Yeah they usually sell for that. Depends on how good the art is.
>>46945962
Updating the parts of my G/W Assault formation deck that rotated out, going to try to get skulk on my defenders with Skeleton key and Behind the scenes...
Also U/R prowess went out so I'm taking it apart for a Harness the storm, brain in a jar-thing with forgotten creation....No idea if it will work.
>go to fnm
>trounce the 2 decks that are homebrews
>lose 0-2 versus Bant Company
>lose 0-2 versus BG deck LSV played at SOI PT in Spain
How fucking lame that 2 guys felt compelled to bring Bant Company and the BG deck to a 16 person FNM
>>47008755
They probably like winning anon.
>>47008823
The worst part was explaining to the guy who was using the BG deck how it worked because I felt so bad for him.
He was sweating, wearing clothes that were too small for him, stuttering, very quiet...And he clearly didn't even know how the deck worked.
>>47008755
>hating on people who play the game to win
If you're not a Spike, you should probably just kill yourself desu
>>47006938
It is still a bad deck anyone should avoid. Even ug flash is way better that that pile of trash that guy from mtggoldfish made to bait people woth the "20$ competitive deck"
>>47009256
>being so shit you take tier 0 decks to FNM's full of brews
>wanting to win without a challenge
Sign of a casual.
>>47009758
>Don't play how I don't like
>>47009912
By all means, play that way
You filthy casual
played this, lost round 1 to bant coco then beat rg round 2 and humans round 3.
small turnout. bant guy got 1st, i got 3rd.
i really fucking like this deck.
>>47008860
>losing to a goober who doesn't even know how his deck works
well done
Any advice for this shit brew I've got here?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-04-16-RSI-midrange-red/
>>47009925
> ; _ ; all these f-filthy casuals bringing their g-good decks and stealing the win I deserved
Got 1st and got the playmat with Seasons Past
It's fun making the opponent play super unfun magic and also winning at the same time
First time ever playing game day and only got back into magic for SOI release after a few year break. Ran RW Goggles and made top 8 at least. Not bad considering the winners were all Pro Tour Top 8 decks with tons of competitive experience on me. Would go again.
I'm running R/G wolf/werewolves and I'm not sure how to deal with the white weenie cancer that is so rampant. Kozilek's Return and Flaying Tendrils kill half of my shit too. Do I have to cave into the white menace and splash it for Dec in Stone. Also, is Westvale worth running in a non-weenie deck?
>placing second
It's almost a worse feeling than going 0-5 on the day.
Piloted Red/Black Control at the FNM yesterday.
Did pretty great just wish I had brought a full sideboard with me. Reading Kalitas to a B/G aristocrat deck was hilarious.
The ramp matchup isn't as terrible as I thought it would be either.
How do I use this card?
SHITBREWS UNITE!
WHO'S BRINGING A SHITBREW TO GAME DAY
RAKDOS ELDRAZI HERE
>>47009758
Except I regularly travel to play in events (which I typically at least min cash), which pretty definitively rules me out as a casual. Basically the quintessential middle of the road grinder. Excuse me for wanting to get in actual games outside of playtesting to try and prepare for events.
I hope I see you at GP New York, cuck :^)
>>47013811
Jeskai or Mardu control.
Just came back from Game Day, Went 2-2-1 and ended up in 9th place with a friend's GB Seasons Past
>Won Game 1 vs Mono-White Humans, was pretty ez plus opponent flooded
>Lost Game 2 vs GB Aristocrats, ran out of removal due to all of the creatures + CoCos. Couldn't even languish near the end due to Westvale Abbey and Zulaport Cutthroats
>Won Game 3 vs a friend's Esper Dragons deck. Friend flooded and ran out of answers while I built up advantage
>Tied Game 4 vs Bant CoCo. Game 3 was a big stall with me gaining a shitton of life and my opponent pulling den protectors and CoCos from the top of his deck
>Lost Game 5 vs GR Ramp Goggles. Supposed to be an "easy" matchup but this dude also beat another Seasons Past and Esper Dragons previously. Folded Game 1 due to lack of mana and world breakers, Game 2 had to deal with Chandra + 2 Den Protectors + Dragonlord Atarka
Overall not bad for the little practice that I had with it, would've done far worse with Atarka Red.
I need some advice, I really like GB aristocrats and have been playing it since the protour but I don't think I'm smart enough to play it if that makes any sense, I often miss triggers and don't know when to build up board presence or pressure with creatures and sometimes I'll accidentally scry 3 or scry 2 instead of scrying once multiple times.
I think I need something a little more brain dead to play but still good?
Any ideas?
Anyone play meme B/U Zombies?
How needed is Liliana?
Could someone hypothetically make it mono-B aggro splash G for CoCo?
>Acquaintance is looking for Kalitas
>Offer to sell him mine after Game Day
>Nope, he needs them /for/ Game Day
>Offer to sell him one at tcg mid
>Calls me an idiot and a jackass for up-charging
>Like I give a fuck, he can buy from someone else
>IF he can find someone else who has them in the next ten hours
>Other guy steps in to say I'm breaking every code of ethics and probably some laws
>mfw they expect me to feel bad for being a capitalist
>>47009742
But it's not. It's not super competitive, but if you're playing against people who are not GP and PT top 8 regulars it performs amazingly.
With the exception of White Weenies, no deck in the current meta starts doing its thing before turn 3 or 4 - and by that time, with Brains, you've thrown around enough card draw to find your answer for their deck (be it counterspells, Engulf the Shore or tapdowns). The window of time an opponent has in order to stop you from comboing off if you've done things correctly is either their end step OR your main phase in which you cast Part the Waterveil, which nobody can fucking interact wth.
What are the cards that deal with this deck? Hallowed Moonlight, which nobody maindecks (and you should board in some dispels if they're playing white). Invasive Surgery, which again is unmaindeckable and post-board you're boarding in counterspells if they're playing blue. There are people who run maindeck negates, sure, but in my experience they're more likely to toss them at your card draw or Brains. They go after your hand? Whatever, you've got redundancies, and nobody maindecks Pick the Brain - and you should be bringing counterspells against control anyway. Virulent Plague? Toss in those disperses.
It's not a Tier 1 deck and it won't win a Pro Tour, but it will win FNMs. And if Eldritch Moon brings us some new toys it might actually become some sort of Tier 2 brew.
>>47014948
I do and someone posted a list further up >>46986815
Mine isn't good though. I don't even know where to go with it.
>>47013811
+2 twice
-8 for Atarka or Linvalaor emrakul
Here's what I'm thinking. Goggles + ramp + LD for next FNM. Yay or nay, /tg/?
>>47018153
Honestly goggles are the only way land destruction can be good in the current standard but you'll probably need some more than just that
