Alright /tg/, here's the plan.
You are given creative control of the story for the next MTG expansion. The rules are as follows:
1) You can visit a previous plane or create a new one. Previous planes include any plane mentioned in the lore, including planes that have not actually been fully fleshed out in the card game yet, such as Vryn or Regatha. The entire events of this expansion will take place on this plane.
2) You must include at least 1 currently existing planeswalker that has a card. You cannot include more than 6 currently existing planeswalkers, and cannot introduce new planewalkers.
3) You can kill off up to 1 currently existing planewalker. Non-planeswakers are free game.
Where do you go and what happens?
Hijacking thread
Eldritch Moon discussion
What do you think the next set will feature?
Why is is definitely going to be more wolves and werewolves?
DO YOU LOVE JACE YET?
IS THE MOON ABLE TO BE TAPPED FOR MANA?
WHAT'S WITH THE PINK FONT?
FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON MAGIC:THE EMPTY WALLETS
>>46918909
It'd tap that moon.
>>46918376
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DOr a clone of Gatecrash, because that was a fun set.
>>46919053
but they did that already..
>>46919053
We already are on Innistrad, like, right now
>>46919093
Yes. I want it again.
>>46918376
Can I abandon the card game model entirely and replace it with something that doesn't rely on a $300 entry fee to be competent or literal luck of the draw just to get your build started?
Because otherwise I don't want anything to do with it.
>>46919104
You can never have too much Innistrad. Maybe without the Eldrazi this time.
>>46919120
>What is Casual ?
>>46919105
well what specifically do you want more of?
why is innistrad so great?
>>46919125
We didn't have Eldrazi on Innistradyet, what are you complaining about ?
>>46919141
I just...really like Innistrad. It has everything: Angels, Demons, Devils, Good vs Evil... Also, more Innistrad means a more viable Spirit Tribal.
>>46919153
>Spirit Tribal
You wantKamigawathen
The next released set is it eldritch moon. Instead the next set is called the Unsued edition. In it are cards dedicated to every fuckup by wizards since 1992.
>>46919161
But Kamigawa Spirits are disgustingly bad.
>>46919153
I'm with you man
but what if there were more cool werewolves?
or wolves that flip into warehumans
huh?
you didn't think about that did ya?
>>46919197
That would also be cool.Spirit Werewolves?
>>46919131
>doesn't like games based on luck
>casual
Pick one.
As for the cost of entry, googling the meta isn't a skill. Literally anyone with an internet connection can build a half decent deck in thirty minutes. At least the people blowing paychecks on wargames develop an actual creative talent by learning how to paint their dudes well.
>>46919173
Well, that was because the set at the time was literally made to be bad.
The way your thinking right now is why they'll never go back. People think, "I remember Kamigawa being bad, so if they make it again they couldn't possibly do something like print a non-bad version of it."
>>46919214
>>doesn't like games based on luck
Card games aren't for him then
>>46919233
No, I love Kamigawa, it's just that Kamigawa spirits don't have flying for the most part.
>>46919212
>Spirit Werewolves
I'm aroused
>>46918376
Alright kids. We are going: BACK TO ULGROTHA
The set is called... "There's no place like Homelands"
After the events of Eldritch Moon, Jace Beleren finds himself walking down streets that are oddly familiar, yet very very boring.
He hangs out with a narwhal for a while, then gets chilly when he takes a walk under the winter sky - but it's OK because he wears a cloak. A crafty dwarf tries to sell him a horse, but Jace catches him - "That's really a pony!".
By far the most dramatic story yet told in the multiverse.
>>46918376
I don't want a new plane per se, but an "on the move" feeling to the set. I want to see the Phyrexians trying to resurrect Yawgmoth and are scouring the multiverse to do it.
Maybe one of the Praetors said, "fuck this" and sabotaged the process and now New Phyrexia is cutting a swath across the planes looking for him. A Phyrexian Crusade.
>"Shard of Urza" planeswalker
>"Last of the Nine" derelict Titan
Stuff like that.
>>46919327
I see you've played old horsey-pony before
>>46919153
cool expansion
needs more big ass fucking demons.
psychopathic angels are cool and all, but more demons required.
>>46918376
going back to dominaria with karn and nicol bolas.
>>46918376
1) For the first time in mtg, we're going to a new plane! As in a IN UNIVERSE new. Actually it's still emerging from the blind eternities, mana is all over the place, unstable, still trying to take form.
Primitive forms of life, elementals, and maybe future elder races in their infancy (Treefolk sprouts, candid adventurous cephalids...). Mostly light hearted stuff.
2) Probably Tamiyo, trying to understand how the multiverse work. It's all mysterious and inconclusive.Maybe ending up hinting at mysterious colourless creatures?
An evil planeswalker (Ob nixilis?) trying to get off with all that delicious fresh mana may be fine too.
Too bad for the no new planeswalker rule, I had the idea of a nice dumb giant planeswalker that wake up everyday trying to go back home never understanding he is planeswalking. Or what planes are at all.
3) No need to kill anyone, not thematically appropriate and would be anticlimactic for any planeswalker character to die here.It's probably a bas idea commercially speaking.
>>46918376
I'd focus on a Hyborean plane, just this one giant continent with fun characters to play around with. I give Chandra her own screentime, with a decent card, and make it tribal. Bitches love tribal.
>>46918376
1.) We're going back to Shadowmoor where it and Lorwyn are no longer swapping between one another but instead appear to have fused somewhat.
2.) Karn and Tiblat will get new cards. KArn will be on the plane to explore how the two states of the plane now seem to be naturally merging while Tibalt will be revealed to have been fucking about here tormenting the local denizens and establishing a small cabal of followers.
3.) I want Jace to die.
>>46920143
>I want Jace to die.
I never really get Jace hate, I mean he isn't a good character, but he doesn't seem any better or worse than any other planeswalkers of his generation to me. I get missing out return to Ravnica help not hating him?
Is it ok to post about my special snowflake set here?
>>46921303
It's meta hate, he's pushed as fuck and presented as this "thinking man's planeswalker" even though the actual character has made a number of the stupidest decisions and thinks with his cock way too much for a purely U person.
Also the Mind Sculptor debacle. Also the general hate for blue rubbing off on him because of the meta-effects.
>>46918376
I will visit the plane of dicks
1) New plane. Heavily desert because a large-scale disaster broke the plane and mana has been leaking ever since. Non-Eldrazi colorless spells, wastes, and desert card types. Mostly monocolored, but minor wedge-fixing and keyword-tribal. I.E. red white and black having a first strike lord, and green white and black having life link tribal. Spells get bonuses Ravnica style for using certain colors, like a colorless spell letting you scry if you used blue in it, or a lightning strike variant turning into incinerate if you use colorless.
2) Upon hearing about the plane, some of the superfriends visit thinking it's Eldrazi. It's not Eldrazi, but they get stuck there and have to survive and figure out how to leave because the plane's mana is fucked. Nissa finds her geomancy less reliable and in desperation relies on black mana. Sarkhan was on plane researching colorless and Ugin and shit. Green-blue walker with the hybrid 2/u costs to make him playable in monocolor. Other planeswalkers (let's say Tamiyo and Ajani) have trouble adapting to the plane, and their cards are mini-walkers. Low cost, two abilities, no final, and a static ability (like being able to look at the top card if your library whenever). Rare, not mythic.
3) Garruk followed the superfriends, but was surprised and outnumbered. He manages to get the jump in Ajani, but Sarkhan gets in the way and is killed. Cue a set or so later the revenge story of Ajani hunting Garruk and using white magic to imprisson him rather than kill him.
If I could introduce a Walker, it would either be red or black. Red would deal colorless damage and give your burn spells whither. Black Walker would be a non-evil, non-edge character that destroyed land and artifacts to gain you life and could board-wipe as a final.
1. Rebels of Kamigawa, Tue non-legendaries are tired of getting treated like $h!+ and are fighting back.
2. Gideon helping the empire and Domri helping the rebels while Tamiyo does, whatever she does.
3. No planeswalkers but can't guarantee Michiko"s safety even with Gideon's help.
> Return to Tarkir : Wraths of Khans.
> Because of remorse/pity, Sarkhan go back to help Zurgo get his dignity back. After a training montage, revenge porn ensues. It cause a chain of events leading to the resurgence of the clans.
> Anafenza, the Gost Rebel Leader, leads gorilla warfare to revive the ancestor cult.
> Sidisi, Vizir of Silumgar, wants to be Caliph instead of the Caliph. Pure contest of dickishness.
> Surrak, the dog of Atarka, see his people trying to connect back to their shamanistic traditions. Will he regains his pride?
> Taigam shitting on Ojutai teachings I guess?Twist: the new clans aren't actually the old ones.
>>46919979
Comercially speaking it could be poop, but from a flavor viewpoint, it's real cool
But you don't work for WotC...do you?
>>46920143
>Boggarts see Tibalt as the sensation gorger uncle every aunt should respect
I NEED IT
>>46918376
>>46920143
1) As above, a fused shadowmoor/lorwyn. The aurora is oscillating faster and faster and you're getting cards that are stuck halfway between the two. As the block goes on, the two start to actually fuse together until they become a strange new variation on both. Wedge tribals because shit like elves swapping between W/G and B/G, and so we actually have a decent wedge set. Also split second is back, because I love it.
2) Elspeth and Garruk I think, to fit with the ideas of switching forms. Elspeth is there after blind walking away from Theros while tearing herself away from the underworld, and she keeps swapping between black mana zombie and white mana elspeth. Garruk is there being Garruk, hunting the new crazy bullshit and slowly flipping between two forms without noticing. Maybe ajani or someone shows up during the second half, finds Elspeth, and then has to deal with slowly going insane zombie friend.
3) Nobody dies, but Elspeth, and probably Garruk get irreparably changed. I'm thinking it ends with Elspeth either being W/B or maybe W/B/G with ajani's help, and the sapling's assistance.
I want my wedges so bad. God damn it Tarkir.
>>46922929
Thanks. It's just that we have so many disasters, sometime world ending events, that I would find refreshing to have a little creation thing going on for once.
>>46922929
>But you don't work for WotC...do you?
Considering the tone would probably be more light-hearted than Lorwyn...no I don't.
>>46923085
I don't like Elspeth being black, I think she would be cooler to emerge even more white despite all she's gone through.
3) Garruk somehow split into two half: one black, one green. He then kills his other half in a "Triumph over yourself" card.
>>46923261
I really like the Garruk thing, and I do agree with you on Elspeth now that I look back at it. Maybe have the thing that split's Garruk into two split Elspeth as well, and you get Elspeth fighting herself persona 4 style, with Ajani playing the role of a confused and determined Yosuke Hanamura.This could even remain a secret plot hook for future sets, that the remains of the shadow of Elspeth start transforming Dark Samus style, and a few set's later we get a big reveal of a horrifying, all consuming black mana Elspeth/Garruk/Whatever Else It's Eaten big bad.
>>46918376
>and cannot introduce new planewalkers.
Worthless.
>>46923594
So black Garruk could be a brutal predator that take everything he can, some sort of primitive greed.
Black Elspeth would be some sort of avatar of despair. Hell she doesn't even have to be evil at that point.
>>46923815
Garruk is Avarice, Elspeth is Despair. It also means that while we have the Jacetice league off doing their whole eldrazi fighting thing, there's a separate, planeswalker level threat that isn't Bolas.
I'm also thinking that black garruk/elspeth aren't really separate entities. They both died on Lorwynmoor, and this thing is the monster made out of their shredded corpsesand probably residual Oona fuckerythat is desperately seeking out their original selves for revenge/hunger/inscrutable reasons they don't even quite understand. Shadow Elspeth was everything evil and dark and despairing about Elspeth. This thing is like a parody of that, unable to really grasp the core parts of Elspeth's personality that made Shadow Elspeth so powerful. So it merges with the Garruk shadow, and you get a horrifying monster hunting down it's erstwhile creators, and corrupting everything along the way.
>>46918376
Set Name - Paths of Sorrow
"Plane" Name - Al'ahzan
Premise Summery – Its all the planes walkers fault
Featured Planeswalker - Tamiyo
Planeswalker Card Ideas
Tamiyo, Exiled Nomad
XWB
+ Look at the top card of your library. You may exile that card. If you don't draw a card.
- Tap the creature with the lowest power. If more than one creature is tied for lowest power tap all of them
U You may cast all exiled cards without paying their manacosts
Set Plans
Popular things from all past sets witll see a “version” of them in this set
Possibly legendary creature versions of the other planes walkers with the explanation that the spark itself is a threat to the stability of planes and the plane banished their prespark self
Bastardization of old cards that have been warped to match the theme of the set
White bleeds into all colors
Graveyard recursion and limited Exile recursion
Vanishing comes back
Suspend comes back
Strong mono theme
Deck plans come from how to best combine the strong individuality of the colors together to create interesting outcomes
As it turns out each plane has its own "fingerprint" A sort of mana based identifier that links everything on a plane to everything else on a plane. When something not natural to that plane significantly disturb the balance of the plane the planes "fix" the errors by simply banishing the original versions to Al'ahzan. This keeps the plane stable. This process in effect can also duplicate creatures without a spark. So say a planes walker from one plane brings a mutagen to another and mutates a town. At the moment of mutation from this extra planer force the original inhabitants are banished and replaced with copies that can accept what is happening. Normally people with the spark are left alone as is anything not originating on the plane. But in rare occurrences normally in cases of great upheaval they get banished as well.
>>46924491
Al'ahzan is not a “plane” in of itself but a portion of the blind eternities. As such it is always fading to nothing. The only thing keeping it intact is the constant influx of new plane shards. The best way to describe the “shape” of Al'ahzan is a long line of portions of planes connected one after another like a deck of cards stretched out. The oldest sections fade to nothing in time. The only way to survive is to join a path. There are five paths in total. One for each color. If you do not join a path you will fade to nothing as without them you cant move from one section to another. Most sentient life in tune with mana attempts to join a path though not all are successful. The paths are nomadic clans shaped from the harshness of always moving and knowing that you yourself should not be. Each has their own test derived from the mana line they represent and follow through the shards of the planes.
The story starts off with Tamiyo uncovering CRITICAL PLOT RELATED THING that is relevant to the block after this one. In doing so she triggers a trap. The plane does its thing and off she goes with the CRITICAL PLOT RELATED THING. Once she arrives at Al'ahzan she finds she can no longer planeswalk away. First set revolves mostly on Tamiyo not dying and OH GOD EVERYTHING IS BEING DESTROYED. Stuff from Innistrad, Tarkir, and Zandicar are shown. In the second set we will see stuff from Mirrodin, Kamigawa, and Ravnica. Everything is not quiet right. Tamiyo meets X and X and X and X and X versions of themselves that have changed and leads each path. Stuff happens and the set ends with her joining a path. Probably do an ARG thing here where stores announce how many people played with each preset prerelease box. The most popular color is the path she joins.
>>46923594
>Ajani playing the role of a confused and determined Yosuke Hanamura.
> Ajani see Dark Elspeth being emo without realising the split happened.
> "Get a hold of yourself Elspeth!"
> White Elspeth appears: "Done!"
>>46918376
New plane.
No red mana. No red cards.
Ajani chases Chandra to plane.
Ajani finds Chandra with amnesia due to the red mana being stripped out of her.
Ajani does his best to investigate.
Finds an artifact that's draining all the red mana for ???
White artifact removal.
End of first block.
First block explores world without Reds presence in each color. No randomness, no emotions, everything is measurable and predictable.
Second block
Oh fuck Ajani what did you do
There's red mana everywhere
Oh fuck it's in every color
Oh fuck people are on fire
What the fuck is this mountain shit happening
Why are people now not all the same height?
What is this feeling in people's hearts?
Chandra reborn
This block explores new space for Red that isn't shallow.
"Yo who fucked up my plane?" - Nicholas cage the dragon
Bolas decides to blow up plane cause its useless now.
End block
Third block
Block finally had normal colors.
Fight comes to a conclusion as Chandra learns new tricks that isn't 'hit it with fire' with Ajani help
World settles down in the aftermath. People still getting used to warm and cold and variance, but they'll live.
White now compassionate, green more chaotic, black not as evil, blue still kinda the same.
Leave plane with happy feelings and lessons learned to take into future sets.
Nico my dragon flies off saying "I'll get you next time."
>>46927856
Set with colour lacking is probably among the least likely thing to ever happen but eh.
> Modal red spell: - do something smart or - put it on fire?
>>46928483
Modal red spells wouldn't be bad. Would give you more options per card, sort of what I was thinking with Test02
These two together can help you 'burn' through your deck by putting one card in your hand, then letting you discard it for 02's ability.
Obviously it needs balancing, but the idea is there. It's not subtle, but it's simple and opens up options.
>>46928483
>>46928833
What if you could Shock spells?
>>46929589
>monored counterspell
no
This would be great at like UR or so, though
>>46932138
>Its a only blue gets counter spells episode
