Goblin Alchemy Edition
Discuss the viability of the Warcraft universe as a tabletop RPG setting. Have fun, don't go full autist, and keep your cool. Keep your asspain to yourself. This is not /v/ or /vg/.
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>>46917056
I want to stroke her ears and then gentlyfuck her mouth
>>46917069
goblins and gnomes are really cute
>>46917114
>You'll never have a threesome with a gnome short stack and a goblin babe
Kinda makes me wanna play WoW again.
>>46917114
They're both pretty cool
Speaking of Goblins, how does the C
Venture Company stay in business when a large chunk of the Goblins usual customers are trying to destroy their operations at every turn?
Who would actually finance them when they know every operation they have is going to be wrecked by adventurers within weeks?
>>46917611
Guess their turnover is huge but worth it
>>46917614
Their plans are captain planet villian levels of stupid though.
>>46917690
So are their clients.
>>46917611
>>46917614
>>46917690
>>46917706
The Venture Company is the obligatory "evil corporation" in Azeroth. What's an evil corporation without a shitton of disposable income and manpower?
>>46917611
Shit they manage to dig up before the flood of adventurers washes away they disposable idiots make it economically viable.
>>46917056
So, seeing as Goblins are all about making money and blowing shit up, how viable are Goblin run Brothels?
The fact that it could be used as a front for shit and an information source of targets would be attractives, as well as the income from the front itself. It'd probably be worth it enough to keep it well kept and the employees comfortable.
>>46917813
Goblin-run brothels would be very successful. A business is a business, and you have to have the highest-quality goods to sell to customers. Plus, I can't help but picture a goblin madam as a contact for a PC.
>Oh, it's <player>! I didn't expect to see you around here, <handsome/sugar>. I kept a bed warm just for you. ...No? All right, all right. Maybe next time. What can I do for you this evening, babe?
>>46917056
You know, you'd think that Warcraft goblins work sort of like chickens in that there's probably a pretty consistent population of female goblins that occasionally outnumber the males until breeding season comes and there's x5 times as many males as females until they blow themselves up.
It probably helps that lady goblins aren't repulsive.
>>46917854
>It probably helps that lady goblins aren't repulsive.
Relatively.
>>46917846
yeah but more likely they'd run it, not operate it. maybe a few goblins for the shortstack lovers, but demand would still be on orcs, belves and trolls, and gobbos are smart enough to facilitate that
>>46917906
Of course, you wouldn't have only goblin employees. You have to cater to all manner of tastes and clientele. The gentle human waif, the high-class blood elf, the exotic night elf, the orc dominatrix, and so on.
>>46917854
>there's x5 times as many males as females until they blow themselves up.
I'd pay to see this.
>>46917846
>>46917906
>>46917929
Plus, you'd get the inevitable quest where some guy tried to beat on one of the madam's girls, and you have to find the scumbag who did it.
>>46917930
natural selection?
Goblin girls ask prospective husbands for gifts of explosives, secretly hoping the idiots will blow themselves up and leave the smarter ones alive to breed.
Considering running a game set in Azeroth, but need a good system suggestion that will actually fulfill the feeling of playing a character in the setting, rather than trying to fake it. Someone has suggested Shadow of the Demon Lord to me, but I'm looking for other ideas.
>>46917906
Honestly, I can see them operating it too. They probably wouldn't take clients, but a goblin sitting around in fancy clothes with a cigarette on a holder and greeting her customers is something I can easily imagine them enjoying doing.
Of course, it probably would end up based on the Goblin who owned it.
>>46918106
Man I can picture that as well. I'm surprised there hasn't been a Goblin "Club" like that in-game already.
Pic not related, but we need more Goblins
>>46918178
Man, Blizzard is already taking the beer out of brewfest. They wouldn't let new casual sanitized WoW have a whore house.
>>46918195
Wait, what? Could I get a source on that? Cause that seems stupid, even by Blizz standards
>>46917929
>draenei and gnomes are in demand, but expensive because its hard to convince any to work there
>magic users could get a small discount on blood elves before the sunwell was fixed
>only the larger operations bother hiring forsaken because they need special rooms to contain the smell
>death knights are highly desired as a less rotten alternative for the undead niche
>warlock and hunter employees discreetly cater to rarer and often illegal tastes
>draenei use the "secret menu" more than anyone else, and the Exodar would be collectively blackmailed if they weren't such good customers
>the brothels work together to rotate their most exotic workers around, bringing vrykul all the way to Pandaria and so on
>goblins have a solid grip on prostitution, but gnomes own the sex toy market
>>46918238
They've turned all the samples into Non-Alcoholic stuff and they've removed all references to needing to be drunk to complete the quests and everything points to the goggles now.
You can still get a mug and fill from the kegs and do stuff while drunk, but that's literally the only interaction beer has with brewfest anymore. Hell, the mugs never empty anymore either, so you only have to go to a keg once.
>>46918332
>>goblins have a solid grip on prostitution, but gnomes own the sex toy market
Goddamn, together they would be unstoppable!
>Demon Hunters are paid well both as bouncers and escorts. Taking care of mishaps resulting from Warlock "activities" and allowing customers a closer touch to the fel without outright risking soul and sanity.
>>46918238
It was due to censorship in some European country so that they had to do it, including the removal of the Wolpertinger quest because in the last part you need to get smashed and hunt the said creatures. As such the European version got censored in general.
>>46918375
That's horrible. Especially since its based off a European festival to begin with.
>>46918374
>Affliction w-locks and Unholy knights come with a free priest to get remove of certain "Afflictions" after the time has run out
>Monks are the favored class for handling group
>Rogues only do it from behind
>>46918374
>gnomes often use goblin brothels to test their contraptions
>goblins often use gnome toys for their specialty rooms
>everyone knows, but talking about it is considered rude
>>46918458
>Customers have to sign liability waivers before being allowed to hire a Tauren.
>>46918178
>>46918106
>>46917929
Knowing goblins, "goblin club" probably just means there's a zap-o-majig at the door that transforms anyone who enters into a goblin for the duration. Sort of like the winter wonder-volt which is a gnome invention that turns anyone into a gnome.
Just picture it now, a tauren, forsaken, pandaren and orc head to the new hot club in town, go through the door and ZAT.
>Why am I so short?
>Where is my fur?
>WHERE ARE MY HORNS?
>>46918441
DKs would probably be very clean whores. They'd have to whack you with a runeblade (and they probably wouldn't hire someone with runic dick tattoos or a saronite strapon) to give you one of their diseases, and anything they caught from clients wouldn't survive in their bodies for long.
>there's a magical disease that mildly irritates the living but burns undead like a motherfucker
>Rashbringer
>rumors claim Tirion wept when he heard the name
>the argent crusade had to issue a public statement denying responsibility after outraged forsaken accused them of making biological weapons
>>46918349
Shiiet, seriously? What year did that change go up?
>>46918375
Wait what? Is that for real?
Poor wolpertingers...
Does anyone think Archerus is way too open? Every other necropolis has rooms and halls, but the Ebon Hold is just two floors. I want departments where unholy DK's are experimenting in necromancy and a training hall where blood DK's are fighting each other. Basically a smaller Naxx.
>>46920508
I hope the pink elekks made it out ok.
On a related note which race has the best mounts and why is it Trolls?
>>46920784
Humans because horses. Fuck your animal menagerie.
>>46920763
It'd be too confusing otherwise. There's no reason to go there outside of training so it's designed to get you in and out asap
>>46920943
Fuck off blizzard. Next thing you will tell me is that sw and iron forge are too complicated and in legion going to reduced down to a single district each
>>46920763
I wish it was getting a facelift befitting a class hall. I like it but it seems so small due to how open it is
>>46920943
Considering you only visit your trainer to reset your spec and learn dual spec I am honestly surprised blizz has not "streamlined" them out
>>46918876
A few years ago. It's not even fun to hang out at brewfest anymore. I just do the event fight through LFG then go about my business.
>>46917611
Salaries are paid at the end of operations. The adventurers killing all their mooks before payday are saving them a fortune.
>>46920763
>Every other necropolis
Every OLD necropolis. All the new ones in wrath used the two floor design. Naxx style necropoli are practically cities, meant to plop down in enemy territory and stick around until it becomes proper scourge land. Northrend already has better, more expansive facilities for all the things a big necropolis contains, so that type wasn't needed.
The smaller types are just meant to get a commander and his mooks in place, have room for an extra facility if needed, and nothing more. Acherus was only meant to churn out death knights, so it only needs that one training hall. It only punched so far above its weight class because it had the direct support of Arthas, part of Naxx's crew on loan, and some northrend bosses. Mograine overestimated himself and Acherus, it was never meant to be a better Naxx.
Malykriss was, and the Acherus crew probably would've been transferred to its death knight wing if they'd stayed loyal like Orbaz.
>>46920784
>On a related note which race has the best mountsnether drakes
>>46917846
Would a goblin-run brothel haveexploding sheep-skin condoms?
>>46922102
>Mograine overestimated himself and Acherus, it was never meant to be a better Naxx.
I took his proclaimation to mean Acherus was a hunter-killer Submarine compared to Naxx's aircraft Carrier.
Acherus COULD ambush and destroy Naxx in a quick strike but was nowhere near as good at force projection (Which is why it stayed out of Northrend where it could be surrounded and destroyed)
>>46920784
This >>46922151
To the end of the world, and then some!
>>46918375
>Europe
>censoring alcohol
>not lording their acceptance of a booze lifestyle over Amerifags
What the fucking hell.
![1380073055967[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZDeEPTh.jpg "1380073055967[1].jpg")
>>46922582
>>46918375
>>46918420
i can tell you dont seem to have an accurate picture in your head of what europe actually is now
>>46922603
Fair point. I haven't been anywhere but northern Germany in the last 2 years, and that was only briefly.
Didn't realize I was watch the re-fall of Constantinople 2.0 on TV.
>>46922603
I fucking wish most european men had beards like that
>>46922603
>>46922639
>it's Europe therefore muslims
Fuck off /pol/. Europe still has homegrown moralists and busybodies to spare, they just don't reach the hellfire and brimstone extremes that baptists do.
>>46922714
I don't think a Baptist's indignation compares to the bloody Inquisition.
But w/e.
I have this thought in my head of a goblin gal and a gnome girl, former rivals, going into business together. They still can barely stand each other, but realize that the animosity drives them both to be better at what they do together.And the late-night, on-the-lab-table, frustration-releasing hatesex is incredible. Every innovation comes after a session...
>>46922975
minus the gender and spoiler, that's the boat in Thousand Needles
>>46918441
>Shadow Priests provide the whole mindbreak experience for customers. You've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.
>>46918441
>>Rogues only do it from behind
I WEAR BLOODFANG LEATHER
>>46918734
>Rashbringer
>>46922603
Europoor here, nice bullshit.
Would be interesting to hear which european country gave a fuck about a beer festival.
And why did a us-company care?
Sounds more like some berserk sueing from some Christian fundis in the us.
>>46923465
Only it's not banned in the US, you still get totally smashed.
>>46923465
I do find it weird Europe of all places got irked about alcohol. That sort of thing isn't even considered a huge deal here in Burgerland and we're a lot more puritanical.
Blizzard does care about overseas markets though. They delay releases of expansions in China because the PRC government gets seriously bootybothered by skull iconography for some reason. So they have to spend extra time combing through it and making a special Chinaman version with no skulls or exposed bones in order to pass the censor test.
>>46923465
Yeah, I don't know what that guy is on about. It all has to do with ratings. If they make Brewfest nonalcoholic, they can keep a more all ages rating. Same reason they don't have gambling and drugs in the game.
You can still drink, of course, but it's not mandatory.
I can see DK escorts making an ideal dominatrix because if their penchant for spikes and endless need to cause suffering.
>>46923705
Or if you're really into the punishment scene, Paladins are a good option too.
That said, I have seen a couple "brothels" on RP servers. Mostly involving goblin pimps and dealers. They mostly employed blood elves because people seem more willing to roleplay/cyber with blood elf prostitutes.
I've never gone near any of these establishments because frankly it kind of creeps me out. Also because Goblin RPers are a special breed of obnoxious.
>>46923705
Maybe if you're into the crude simple stuff. The thinking man knows that Shadow Priests are where it's really at.
Any interesting ideas that could be RPed with a Horde Pandaren Warrior?
This is a ______ (____)
>>46923782
Huojin through and through. Bro-tier, believes in honor, strength, self-reliance and all that. Feels a strong bond of kinship with his Huojin comrades, "old guard" orcs, and Tauren. Is chill with trolls. A little distrustful of BElves, Forsaken, and Goblins. Thinks Saurfang should have been Warchief after Thrall left and believes the Horde should look to their own instead of antagonizing the Alliance.
A born explorer, interested in following Chen's footsteps and seeing this weird new world. Always looking for a new story to tell.
>>46923804
Chromie > everyone else.
>>46923849
I could work with that, thank you! Now time to work onherbackstory.
>>46923916
>female Pandaren
Just please don't go the demure waifu route. There's plenty of that already and none of it's good.
>>46923997
Nah, warriors and demure waifus don't mix together too well. I'll keep that to probably a tauren.
>>46924051
> warriors and demure waifus don't mix together too well
Tell that to WoW RPers.
>>46924109
I see it too much, even at tabletop. This meme needs to stop.
>>46918195
>>46918238
>>46918349
>>46918375
Did Brewmaster monks get affected by this at all? I mean their entire fighting style is based on alcohol.
Some more Xal'atath quotes. Some commentary on the naaru and the eternal conflict between Light and Void, some boasting about the greatness of Ny'alotha, and other such things.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1897161-Legion-Shadow-Priest-Discussion?p=40018488&viewfull=1#post40018488
Also some obvious points about how demons are treacherous bastards, and how N'Zoth gave the Naga their forms.
>>46924109
>Before you stands a slender, yet firmly proud figure... As you gaze upon her subtly curvacious form you notice that her beauty is only enhanced by her toned firm muscles... and you wonder at how a figure of such grace and beauty can seem so intimidating... and yet... alluring...
>>46925051
You gotta remember, it's not so much about there being alcohol in the game - it's there. You can buy it. You can still get smashed.
It just has to be optional. Quests aren't considered optional, even holiday ones. Same thing with the fiction of the Brewmasters. They drink "brew" not booze. It could be brewed tea.
We know it's not, but that's enough to cover things ratings-wise.
>>46925461
Man, I both hate and love this. I hate it because it's terrible writing to god-mode the way others perceive your character. I love it because it's cringey and hilariously bad. Especially when they describe things you can see in-game, like hair color or skin tone.
All you have to write for your description is something like:
>A large tauren with a mean look on his face
>A toned, athletic young woman in practical armor
>A jolly-looking Pandaren with an easy-going demeanor
>A bulky orc missing his right eye.
That's all you have to fucking say.
>>46925721
People love to go into detail about their character so you know for sure what exactly you're seeing.
Be grateful they aren't taking a couple paragraphs to describe their weapons.
>tfw want to start roleplaying on WoW but don't know where to even start.
>>46925839
Oh I've seen plenty of that too.
Autistic attention detail is annoying but that's not the worst. What I really don't like is the character's MRP telling me how I'm supposed to feel about what I see. I couldn't imagine anyone pulling that at a tabletop setting.
>>46925856
Don't do it, young lad. You have so much to live for.
I don't like black-haired Sally.
>>46925893
you forget where we are.
>>46925879
I'll agree that it's the worst.
>You can't take your eyes off them.
>Looking into their eyes fills you with terrible dread.
>He towers over you, muscles rippling and sneer plastered on his face. Whatever he sees in you, he clearly doesn't like it.
>For just the slightest moment, your eyes catch her before she disappears. No matter how hard you try, you can't see her again.
>Simply being around him helps put you at ease.
>>46925893
>being on 4chan
>being in a Warcraft thread on 4chan
>having something to live for
Senpai...
>>46925965
>Whatever he sees in you, he clearly doesn't like it.
See this is just asking me to troll him. One of my characters is a Belf rogue who mainly exists to antagonize OCs who take themselves too seriously.
>>46925965
I usually try to describe things plainly, though I do want to make sure the distinctive features are known. I don't want anyone to mistake my Forsaken character for some impossibly well-preserved handsome fellow, who is only just a bit pale. He's a maimed and mummified corpse.
When I do add emotion to the description, it's usually because I'm hinting at certain dark magical affinities emanating from him.
>>46925897
They're not...
I mean, they can't...
Her name is fucking WHITEMANE!
>>46926691
Maybe they are going toremaneher toEbonlocke
>>46926691
Warcraft became measurably more terrible when Dave Kosak came on board and it will immediately start to recover after he falls down an elevator shaft onto some bullets.
>>46926748
But, that would make her evil!!
>>46926748
Don't you dare give them ideas.
>>46926806
Maybe he'll get hit by a bus.
>>46925897
>>46926691
Probably just a placeholder.
>>46926748
Fuck them for ruining everyone associated with that name.
>>46923465
I dunno which country, but basically removing the alcohol allowed them to sell it as a 12+ game instead of a 15+ game and reach a larger market.
>>46923555
The thing with China and skulls was more of an excuse. Blizz managed to tick off a businessman with connections to the government who used the skulls as as excuse to delay their game as retribution. Now they just remove them on principle.
>>46923734
Ohhhhmygod. That bingo board though.
Wyrmrest Accord?
>>46926811
Whitemane was the leader of an entire human subfaction famed for zealotry and racism. The quest descriptions say that her death didn't diminish her connection to the Light, but it cooled her down significantly. Horseman Whitemane will be a lot more level-headed than Scarlet Whitemane.
It's interesting how Sally Whitemane became one of the most iconic female villains of the game.
>>46926811
Speaking of Scarlet Inquisitors, I'm wondering if an Inquisition style campaign could be made to work. Since the Church of the Holy Light has grown so corrupt and infested with Twilight Cultists, it'd make sense that a new order would be formed to root out the heretics and restore the Church to the Light. Maybe hunt down various Void-practicing sects and Shadow Priests in general, even those unaffiliated with the Twilight's Hammer.
>>46927277
With so many Legion collaborators and the holy church falling to corruption on various levels, it's wouldn't be surprising there would be an official Inquisition started to keep the church pure. It should not have any connection with the Scarlet Crusade, though.
>>46927213
Yup.
I mostly play Horde but I've been jumping around Alliance side too. I used to really love Horde but they've gotten so damn douchey in the lore. I've finally realized the only thing I actually really like Hordeside anymore are the Tauren.
>>46927384
Well yeah, the Scarlet Crusade was at least just as rotten as the current Church, if not moreso. However, I wouldn't mind a few remnants being part of the new order, as I imagine their experience with how such corruption destroyed their order might provide good motivation to want it eradicated.
>>46927629
The Scarlet Crusade was destroyed because the leader of their organization was literally a dreadlord. They were done in by their zealotry and a dreadlord's misdirection. Also, unlike other holy organizations, they were portrayed as incompetent.
>>46927237
>It's interesting how Sally Whitemane became one of the most iconic female villains of the game.
It's not like she had much competition
>>46927788
Aside from Onyxia I can't really think of any other high profile female villains.
Most people remember Whitemane because her hat was one of the best mid-level items in the game. Clothies would constantly farm her for it.
>>46927749
If they were entirely incompetent, there would be no reason for Death Knights and Priests to poach their members or defectors.
>>46927930
>Aside from Onyxia I can't really think of any other high profile female villains.
Sylvanas Windrunner.
>>46927930
Also, she had a very distinct wardrobe and appearance that has never truly been copied since (with the exception of her Argent doppleganger Confessor Paletress).
>>46928050
Heck, even if you have her hairstyle on a human female you can't toggle anything so the hat doesn't shave your head underneath.
>yfw a dranaei becomes the new archbishop
>>46928042
When Whitemane was relevant, Sylvy certainly wasn't. She was just a reskinned night elf back then. In fact, the only time you ever really talked to her was if you turned in that quest where she starts singing.
>>46928050
>Confessor Paletress
God damn it. I just got the joke.
I'm an idiot.
Rewatching the WoD-trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYueIdI_2L0
And pic related made me think: Did they perhaps plan to have Durotan actually side with the Horde this time around, now that they weren't technically demon infused?
We know that, in theory, a Frostwolf has sided with them, but as far as I understood (haven't played WoD) he was such a minor character that I doubt he'd be featured on the front page like that.
>>46928050
I hope they dress her in all white and give her back the face paint and white hair.
>>46928341
I think it's more that they just wanted to have all their orcs in a row.
>>46928341
Who knows. I was so disappointed to find out the Iron Horde was just a bait and switch. So much personality in their villain faction and they just let it go to waste for the sake of "Nah guys Grom is a good guy now!".
>>46928312
Just now noticed it myself. It's been almost eight years...
>>46927930
Vashj unfortunately got thrown under the bus in BC.
BC was a trainwreck from start to finish.
>>46928422
They literally could've just swapped Grom with Durotan and given us our glorious Iron Citadel raid.
>>46928471
What was Lady Vashj's story, anyway?
>>46928511
>Lady Vashj's story
There's something fishy about that elf...
>>46928624
That's Lady Vashj before she became a naga.
>>46928511
"I wanna fuck the Queen!"
>You can't fuck the Queen
"Oh no my city's sinking!"
>Here's some gills
"Who's this Illidan guy?"
>He's cool. Go hang out with him
"Hey Illidan so what should I do?"
>Lol go drain this lake
>>46928511
She's yandere for Illidan.
>>46928471
I still perfer BC's lack of story to Wrath's ham-fisted attempt to force story on your character.
If you didn't play a Human/Dwarf/Blood elf Paladin, Death Knight, Priest, or mage, the entire Lich King arc felt forced and struggled to include your character. Arthas' backstory meant nothing to me as a Druid other than being an undead abomination whom I'm gonna kill regardless of his narrative.
>>46928685
The Scourge affects everyone, so it makes sense to rally around that point alone. However, the only groups who have a personal stake in the war against Arthas are humans, Forsaken, blood elves, and the death knights.
As atroll shaman, I was pretty much along for the ride with everyone else.
What's the consensus on the d20 World of Warcraft RPG? I remember it not being all that bad but this was years ago.
Have there been any major attempts to use another system for the setting?
>>46928685
>mfw that pic when DK's have more actives than any other class now
>>46928685
An Emerald Dream based expansion should be druid centered.
>>46928685
I actually didn't mind that. The early days of Wrath did a good job of presenting the Lich King as this faceless evil overlord hellbent on domination. Everyone kind of had a stake in stopping him.
I'll take that over the focus on the bullshit faction war they went with in Cata and MoP.
>>46928767
Hunters will never have an expansion.
And that's fine. As long as I've got Nesingwary's approval to kill all the animals.
>>46928849
He stuck me as in-your-face Cobra Commander whom I can't take seriously instead of a faceless evil overlord. I still think throwing out the twin-aspect of Arthas/Ner-zhul duality cheapened the mystery of the Lich King.
But yes, the Faction War was by far the worst storyline.
>>46928937
Shamans kinda-sorta-not-really had an expansion with Cataclysm. Yes, you got to travel to various elemental planes, but it never felt especially meaningful as a shaman, probably because it doesn't come across as well as it should. That, plus Thrall was the only shaman that mattered in Cataclysm, making the PC shaman superfluous.
>>46928849
>>46928944
I feel that it was impossible for blizzard to win doing anything with the faction war outside of Warcraft 3 or an rts environment where everyone wins in some way shape or form throughout their campaign, in the mmo environment a playerbase is going to be excluded and hate it. (See upper Eastern Kingdoms) Not to mention that with the timeline of building a game and expansions leads to characters being rushed into place in the lore to fill out a role. (See Garrosh)
>>46928944
Arthas was best at the very beginning. It's when they kept trying to force some kind of depth coupled with having him show up and taunt us ruined the character's gravitas.
>>46929067
They really need to find that balance between making the player characters' actions feel important and matter without making it like we're the best ever of our race and class.
I don't want to be Commander. I don't want to run an Order Hall. I want to visit an Order Hall, that's great! But everyone looking up to me like I'm the superlative hunter? No thanks.
>>46929364
It's bound to happen sooner or later, with the resume you've built. You can't be an underling forever.
>>46917846
>No time for a bed but if I could borrow a girl who's just the right height while we talk business...
>>46929469
Not him, but the problem with that logic is there's a thousand other assholes with a kill list just as long or even longer than yours.
I think players should be put on a pedestal, but not individual player characters. I like being told I'm a cut above the rest, but being put in charge is a little off putting when I'm an LFR hero at best.
>>46929584
WoW PCs are high-caliber mercenaries: far, far above any rank-and-file soldier, and only one step below a WC3 hero character (Tirion, Varian, etc.). From at least Wrath onwards, your character has always been a big deal.
>>46929625
Now the key word there is "Mercenaries".
Adventurers have always been loosely aligned. It's why xxShinypantsxx the Argent Champion can go fuck off around the world without being at the beck and call of the Silver Hand. So being yanked into the military felt really weird in Warlords.
I don't question player characters are a big deal. I just feel weird having a legion of NPCs bow at me when I walk by and being personally instructed to do something by the king/warchief himself.
>>46929701
>So being yanked into the military felt really weird in Warlords
Especially for non-human/orc PCs. Shamans and Druids don't even adhere factions in the lore. Sticking a Warlock into a garrison would probably lead to your followers lynching them.
>>46917056
Goblin chicks always have such kissable lips.
>>46929584
>>46929625
This would actually be believable if characters wouldn't get their shit kicked in by NPC guards of the opposing faction.
Technically, you could go "it's for game mechanic reasons", which is a valid explanation, but it only adds to the confusion about what exactly our powerlevel is.
As an adventurer, we start out as what can only be described as a lowbie recruit of the military aparatus of our faction. Fine and dandy.
Then, we levelled up and improved our gear and started to go and wreck shit of rather powerful stuff out there, like really strong "creeps" to utilise Warcraft 3 terms, until we got to bosses like Onyxia and Nefarian.
Again, in Warcraft 3 terms, those are still "creeps", although level 10 and upwards, possibly. "Red creep camp" stuff, you know? Or maybe more comparable to "optional quest bosses" in a mission. But with the right tactic and approach, you could murder these shits and barely lose any unit, if at all. Usually, you'd go for those creeps when you had a sizeable army - Which the 40 people raids expressed quite well.
And then stuff like Ahn'Qiraj, Naxxramas and Molten Core happend, which was where the power levels of the assumed threats took an enormeous step.
Suddenly, we weren't just going off killing "big creep camps" or "optional quest bosses" - We were in the "main campaign goal", or even whole campaigns. This is where we needed a hero, or even several ones. But we didn't get one. We were "just" units, fighting an enemy who was supposed to be a genuine, overpowered campaign boss. So we get elevated to "hero-status", which brings exactly the confusion about our powerlevels into the game.
We're supposed to be in the range of heroes, or at least named characters in the campaign, but we still need to gather up in groups to smack some evilguy's shit and simultaneously can get our shit kicked in by unnamed npc guards that are supposed to prevent us from walking around in a place of a faction that dislikes us.
>>46930047
And this all plays into what>>46929701 says, where everybody is elevated to the ranks of Rexxar: A guy who is loosely, but ultimately still affiliated with a faction, going off on their own adventure while still being given command over official faction military due to his achievements.
But this is completely invalidated because every single one of us has the same or equal achievements under our belts and it really tears at the credibility and verisimilitude of this world.
This may all be accredited to one simple thing: In order to push their agenda where people can individually experience being THE GREATEST ADVENTURER ALIVE, they made it, piece by piece, into a single-player game, and in doing so created the need to further visualise to the player just how incredible and heroic they are.
And this is where the confusion really displays itself:
There's the people who take this show at face value and thus require further pandering to their uniqueness, and there's people who understand that they are just one of many, and with that comes the understanding that the powerlevels they are attributed simply cannot be and this leads to the distorted view of personal powerlevels, which is only supported by Blizzard's lore and game design choices.
>>46930291
This is the exact same problem Star Wars: The Old Republic has. It was, for all intents and purposes, a single-player campaign masquerading as an MMO. You could conceivably be meeting other adventurers who have been on comparable adventures, but not your adventures, because your adventures are one-of-a-kind.
>>46930291
This is why I don't want to be a class leader.
Don't get me wrong, I hate it when Thrall swoops in a steals the spotlight. But that's because the players as a group should be acknowledged. I want class halls to be like Acherus. A place where a bunch of us gather to hang out and get quests from an actual leader character. I'd rather do that than sit in there by myself and order around some no name NPCs
>>46928685
Shaman had ties to him too.
>>46930989
>I'd rather do that than sit in there by myself and order around some no name NPCs
But these AREN'T no-name NPCs in Legion. Look at the top members of the Uncrowned (the rogue order hall), which includes the likes of Garona, Mathias Shaw, Lord Ravenholdt and Valeera Sanguinar. On top of sitting at the table with them as an equal, you're sharing intel between each other and sending each other on missions.
>>46931019
When did shaman have direct ties to Arthas?
>>46931808
>When did shaman have direct ties to Arthas?
Ner'zhul?
>>46931808
Ner'zhul. They swept him under the rug but apparently one writer didn't get the memo, because he mentions that he used to be a shaman in one quest.
>>46931876
>>46931889
Modern shaman don't give a fuck about Ner'zhul. It doesn't give them enough of a personal stake in bringing down the Lich King, just because one of the souls inside the helm USED TO BE a shaman. He's not now.
>>46931911
And what tenuous connection you have with him gets even weaker if you're not an orc shaman.
>>46931911
That's more on blizz for not taking advantage of it than Ner'zhul not being shamany enough. As far as I remember they only ever state that his powers were amplified in the ice cube, never that he lost them, so he should've been doing a bunch of shaman shit once he was free.
>>46932277
>the Lich King's final form is half Deathknight, half Shaman
Coulda been pretty badass.
>>46932365
>"The land itself shall rise up against you."
>go to Northrend
>skeletons everywhere
>escape the skeletons
>the snow is actively trying to freeze you to death
>escape the evil snow in a cave
>the entrance collapses
>>46932677
That's a Liiiiiittle more control than I'd like him having too be certain.
>>46932277
>>46932365
The whole point of being a shaman is that you don't get to be one if you're a dick to the elements*. There's no way the elements would heed Ner'zhul after all the blighting he's responsible for.
*Until the taunka happened, anyway. But I'd prefer to forget about those shitheads, 'cause what was even the purpose of them?
>>46933213
Garry's Horde and the Iron Horde also proved that wrong. Apparently you can just browbeat the elements to do whatever you want.
>>46933213
My troll shaman was a young woman who used to follow the voodoo like every other Darkspear. Then she got shaman training from one of the orcs traveling with them, and all of a sudden, an entirely new world opened up to her, filled with spirits and elements. It's a world of, among other things, mutual respect: you respect the elements and spirits, they'll respect you back and grant you their power.
I thought that was the coolest shit, being a Warcraft shaman.
>>46933362
You CAN browbeat the elements, but it's harder to do, and the elements will definitely not like you for it. Just like warlocks and the demons who prey on him, the elements are waiting for you to fuck up so they can exact their retribution.
>>46933213
The Taunka are more strict drillmasters putting recruits through their paces. They're far from full-blown Dark Shaman, but definitely push their spirits harder than normal shaman.
And Ner'zhul was a Dark Shaman (The full blown elemental enslavement kind) right before he blew up Draenor.
So was Zuluhed the Whacked.
>>46933213
>The whole point of being a shaman is that you don't get to be one if you're a dick to the elements
MY DARK SHAMAN HAVE TORTURED THE ELEMENTS FOR MILES AROUND
>>46933388
>My troll shaman was a young woman who used to follow the voodoo like every other Darkspear. Then she got shaman training from one of the orcs traveling with them, and all of a sudden, an entirely new world opened up to her, filled with spirits and elements. It's a world of, among other things, mutual respect: you respect the elements and spirits, they'll respect you back and grant you their power.
>I thought that was the coolest shit, being a Warcraft shaman.
I always thought Troll Shamanism was just as good as the Orc and Tauren kind, I almost find it insulting to say otherwise. A TON of Shaman abilities and the whole totem SYSTEM came from Trolls and their Wards in WC3 after all.
>>46933415
He should have tortured them to do more than just recoil from Thrall, seeing as he somehow didn't realize OTHER shaman could come for his loot.
>>46933362
Really, I think they just forgot everything about how the elements work after The Burning Crusade. Remember when every elemental implicitly served the Old Gods? Water elementals were the original Klaxxi.
>>46933388
>Just like warlocks and the demons who prey on him, the elements are waiting for you to fuck up so they can exact their retribution.
Except for the Succubus. It's canon that they fall in love with their masters and go basically full yandere on any other significant other that enters their life.
Which I guess is cool. If you're into a crazy demon chick thinking she owns you and all.
>>46933486
Orc/troll/tauren shamanism kinda blends together at points. It's still the same overall principles: commune with spirits and the elements, and if they like you, they'll grant you their power and insight. Totems can serve as a focusing tool in this way.
The only shaman tradition that really deviates from this are the goblins. They don't give a fuck about the elements themselves, but if there's anything a goblin knows how to do, it's how to negotiate a contract.
>>46933521
NuCanon is that the elementals battled the Old Gods before being enslaved, but still not willing servants the way the Klaxxi or Qiraji are.
>>46933526
The demons you specifically dominate as a PC warlock are unique from other demons. It's the fact you're messing with fel powers in general that makes you such a tantalizing target for other demons.
>>46933547
When the world was created, literally the first to arrive were the elements. It was afterwards that Old God shit showed up.
>>46933526
I wouldn't say the succubus is full yandere. She's just...possessive. She immediately becomes jealous if the PC warlock hangs out with anyone particularly of the opposite sex.
>>46933362
Same with goblin shamans. They're "Environmental Engineers," essentially making contracts with the elements and actively fucking them over into serving them.
Also some shamans essentially enslave the elements.
>>46933526
what the fuck is this? who at blizzard had the bright idea to make something in a video game fun? dont they know that games should only be used to further political narratives and agendas?
>>46933740
Um... ah.. uh.. Oh, the succubus is a parody of the patriarchy's belief that it owns womyn wholly and fully and that they are "enslaved" to the man's will. But in reality, SHE owns HIM because... um.. because she'll murder any other bitch that comes close to him!
Um. Or something.
>no story where a DK gets a succubus minion why really wants to fuck him and he is being a mopey dickcan DKs fugg?
>>46933825
Fuck off. DKs are already obnoxious mary sues taking other class' shit. They don't need to add demons to their shit to summon.
>>46933825Only if they're blood spec. Otherwise, it gets weird.
>>46933890
Fuck death knights. It's all about them demon hunters now.
>>46933890
*death grips you from behind*
heh. nothin personal...kid
>>46933890
>taking other classes' shit
like what?
>>46933937
It's "nothin' personnel"... kid
>>46933521
Well, every Elemental LORD including Neptulon whose servants you work with was originally assumed to have served them, but some of the individual spirits like the ones for the Shaman Class Quests were free.
>>46933942
LikeNazgrim, and Tirion, and Thoras Trollbane, and Sally Whitemane.
>>46933735
Some Goblins actually do have a basic almost agnostic respect for the Elements.
>>46933526
>>46933624
I've always wondered exactly how the relationship between succubus and warlock works... I mean, if you bang her, does she still eat your soul, or is she unable to, or what? Do Warcraft succubi even have that ability, or are they just the Legion's BDSM aficionados?
>>46933959
The demons you dominate don't answer to the Legion; they answer to you. The succubus can't eat your soul because you're her master (never mind that she's madly in love with you anyway). She can probably steal other people's souls, but you're her favorite, and she would want no harm to come to you.
>>46925839
>Be grateful they aren't taking a couple paragraphs to describe their weapons.
>Not playing as Kalaash, draenei hunter and gun nut extraordinaire
>Not drunkenly rambling to fellow taverngoers about cosmoline and glorious Slavgoat engineering
>Not regaling fellow adventurers with tales of that time you obliterated a capitalist goblin with an Arcanite Steam-Obrez
>>46933955
I didn't know NPCs were a class.
>>46933959
>just the Legion's BDSM aficionados?
Fluffwise, they're the Legion's scouts and infiltration experts.
Once you summon her, she's supposed to be completely dominated by you, but what fun is that? That you can summon and consort with demons with no risk?
It's also never said if Warcraft Succubi even can consume souls. Though considering Warlocks can she probably could, too.
>>46933955
>spoiler
all dead bodies on Azeroth are property of the Ebin :-DDD Blade, citizen
>>46933996
Speaking of, here's a writeup on the habits of voidwalkers.
>These hulking blue creatures look vaguely humanoid. It seems to appear from within a black cloud as dark as the void. A voidwalker’s sole purpose is to unconditionally serve a master.
>Thus, travelers rarely encounter them alone. The voidwalker is often a warlock’s choice fel companion for its ability to intercept a single foe and keep him or her occupied. Many warlocks also prefer to do without the mischievousness of an imp or the jealousy of a succubus , preferring instead the unwavering, silent loyalty of a voidwalker.
>Voidwalkers can understand Eredun, but do not speak it.
>A voidwalker does not hesitate to follow even the most suicidal commands its master gives. A voidwalker’s master often sends it to block a threat, leaving the master free to cast spells or use other abilities without interference.
>A voidwalker takes its orders literally; when out of communication with its master, it continues to obey its last command, even if that command is tactically unsound.
>>46934021
>Fluffwise, they're the Legion's scouts and infiltration experts.
Intelligence experts, specifically. They're ace when it comes to gathering intel, especially from interrogations.
>>46933955
what exactly makes a neo death knight more powerful than a random zombie besides the weapons and armor?
>>46934067
Death knights exert free will, to say nothing of the myriad powers available to them.
>>46934088
yeah where do those powers come from?
>>46934067
generals of the scourge
>>46934067
drawing the power of Ner'zhul through their runeblades
>>46934115
Rune magic, special rituals used to bring them back, and all that.
>>46934115
Lich King 2: Crispy Boogaloo
>>46933959
Horde and Alliance warlocks don't operate like Legion ones. The demons they summon have to be bound to their will and are physically unable to betray them because of the dark pacts that they exchange.
The demons usually don't have a problem with this though because their masters are mortal and are still likely to be corrupted by the powers they wield.
Forsaken warlocks are fucking scary to them however because you can't twist them with mortal desires, their will power is unbreakably strong and the waiting game doesn't work either.
The only temptation they still have is for more power and that's a double edged sword because the stronger and more knowledgeable they become, the less likely they will be free or that their master will make a mistake.
is it edgy to be willing to eat tauren? its not so much that i want to as much as i just think it would be really silly not too
like watching videos of starving indians while cows walk around the street.
>>46934750
Many Troll and Ogre tribes are cannibals so it wouldn't be edgy, so much as a really bad idea. Tauren seem tough to bring down and 90% of them are allied with the Horde.
>>46934905
i was thinking more as in what to do with dead tauren during a war actually. bbq every night would make war a little less grim im sure
also tauren are actually bitch faggots in game. i imagine them like the bison in that one simpsons episode that fall over and die in a strong wind. only the grimtotem seem like dangerous dudes
>>46934905
>and 90% of them are allied with the Horde.
except for their weirdly huge over-representation in the Twilight's Hammer that gnomes mirror for the Alliance for some reason
>>46935007
tauren are the twisted fucking psychopaths of the horde, hiding behind their nice cow faces
>>46935366
Tauren are the most huggable of the Horde.
>>46934067
>>46934115
DKs are basically muscle wizards. They're high quality undead with super strength and enough of their original minds to be trained in specialized necromancy. The average zombie or skeleton could be smart enough to learn, but not strong enough to take full advantage. The average abomination has the strength, but they're too stupid to train.
That's why Vrykul death knights were so rare. The men made great warriors but they weren't suited to the book learnin' part, and the women that probably could've managed became val'kyr instead.
>>46934981
>tauren are actually bitch faggots in game
Are we talking about the same tauren here? Because these guys are absolutely capable of leaving a trail of pulped centaurs and footmen in their wake.
>Spirit Healers are not canon as renegady val'kyr rebelling against Odyn by helping the players return to life from the Shadowlands
Then who are the Spirit Healers on Outland?
>>46935878
the same way there's ancients on Outland and Draenor
Titans did it
>>46936248
I kinda like the old lore that ancients were largely bonded to the night elves. made their connexion with nature all the stronger.
>>46936305
I liked headcanon-ing that the ancients in Outland were brought over by Maiev and the Cenarion Circle, but they were actually there the whole time
>tfw ravagers were Qiraji battle tanks with extra spikes before mutating into what they are on Outland
>>46935878
Spirit Healers are one of those things which should exist solely as a meta concept outside the actual lore.
In-universe explanations for resurrections in video games always fall flat.
>>46936707
They got an in-game explanation though unfortunately.
>>46936707
Souls series/Bloodborne makes it work by making it a core part of the setting. The problem isn't the explanation in and of itself, its that writers often expect you to forget it exists whenever the bigshots or waifus are in danger.
>>46937106
>not making the single thing that makes the pc unique is that they have the favor of the spirit healers for some reason
>>46937200
Isn't that literally the case with the PCs though?
>>46937276
yes it is. but its not stated that it is in game
>>46937200
>>46937276
>>46937295
It's no so much that we have the favor as it is that it explicitly "Isn't our time" Whereas it apparently was everyone else's time.
Except Azuregos and that one Orc shaman whose apprentice revives him in the Borean tundra after he's half eaten and trampled by magnataur.
And she just uses the standard shaman rez on him!
>>46937320
in the cinematic of BC the elf priestess rezes the orc
>>46937336
>>46937320
anyway we were talking about the spirit healer not rezing. people get rezed all the time in the forsaken and whatnot
Apparently Drak'thul is out there.
>>46937702
Not surprising, Maiev let him live during TFT. He'll probably be a boss in Legion.
>>46937792
his teeth are pointy tho.
>>46937702
>>46937792
I like a lot of the new zones in the Broken Isles, and the zone transitions are nice but I don't like how NONE of the surviving zones have the tropical Island feel that the maps in TFT did, the only one that comes close is the Eye of Azshara Dungeon since the legion shit green and black all over the Tomb itself.
Also it means no Jungle Stalkers. Foiled again.
>>46937832
He had one massive pegged tusk and otherwise flat teeth like all the other high end warlocks
>>46937868
he doesn't anymore. Its a generic orc in a pointy hat
Yeah they changed everything about the zone. God, those stalkers were scary mofos.
>>46937884
I just keep trying to imagine how the stalkers would look with WoW models, and I know even though WoW's art team is one of their best assets they probably can't live up to my dreams of vine covered killers.
(Especially if they start from the Pandaren Yeti and their totally dead-eyed faces instead of the much more animated Northrend Yeti)
>>46935704
Ever since some anon brought it up, I haven't been able to let it go.
Playable Alliance Vrykul fucking when?
>>46938262
Same time Horde gets playable Ogres
>>46937921
I assume if they did put um in they'd just be a variant on the generic "plant monster" model they've used since Vanilla.
>>46938365
>I assume if they did put um in they'd just be a variant on the generic "plant monster" model they've used since Vanilla.
Maybe, though an updated version of that model could be cool
Or they could be yeti with plants growing all fucking over them.
When is Lorthemar gonna bite the bullet and become the first Belf king?
So all those archers that Tyrande released from the barrow deeps, did we ever hear more about them? Like, there were at least 12 criminals and a dog that the wardens found locked up in the same place as THE betrayer, you'd think one of them would be up to some shenanigans.
>>46939221
The dog peed on Malfurion while he was sleeping. He's just waiting for another chance.
>>46939221
Dunno about the elves, but due to all the retcons to the worgen, i wouldn't mind if Loki was retconned into one.
>>46939221
Better question. Is Tyrande ever to be held accountable for killing a warden, and three nature spirits as well as failing utterly as a leader all prior to the druids coming about?
Replaying WC3 and Tyrande comes off as hyper incompetent.
>>46939677
Sorry, killing a keeper of the grove*
>>46939015
When he kills Sylvanas in an honour duel and becomes new Warchief.
Seriously I might be severly overthinking this, but it mirror every DnD and other stereotypical fantasy campaign where monsterraces such as orcs, trolls, minotaurs and goblins are the slogging footsoldiers of a much meaner and more delicate and cultivated "evil" race (mainly due to evilness progression, where the monsters are "just" acting on their bestial behaviour and the cultivated race is acting out of genuine sadistic malice), but this time around we have Blizzard's usual twist about making the "monsters" relatable and humane.
>>46940671
>Lor'themar challenges her to Mak'gora
>no blatant cheating like Thrall pulled, their elf pride and suspicion after Magatha's stunt forces them to follow all the rules
>including the loincloths
>highest attendance of a mak'gora in horde history
>>46941021
>Lor's side of the stands is filled with nothing but excited females and elves.
Nice.
>>46941021
>Thrall cheated
We're not going on this territory.
Also, fuck Mak'gora. Fuck this whole mess. No poorly thought out tribal shenanigans up in this shit, motherfucker.
Call it an honour duel, call it trial by combat, call it political assassination or usurpation, but don't ever dare utter this shit cause by a cancer ridden colon in these threads, anymore.
Garrosh is dead and he won't come back, Thrall survived and took the lead of the orc suntil to be contested by another. In Legion he's likely going to be killed or MIA or whatever, so it doesn't even fucking matter for the orcs' political situation.
It. Is. Over. Done.
>>46923782
Used to have a close bud who RPed a Pandaren Warrior, was basically a brother to my OU Mag'har Orc warrior. The shit they did together, glorious.
Sadly, she stopped playing some time ago. Incidentally, last time I saw her character was at the funeral the Clan my Orc lead hosted after his death. Was a 50+ RP event, pretty chill
>>46941528
>Garrosh is dead and he won't come back,
chortlingdeathknights.jpg
>>46941528
> In Legion he's likely going to be killed
>>46941681
Death Knights ruin everything
They ruined everything in WotLK, and now, even when everything has been thoroughly ruined by outside forces, they still find a way to ruin everything
>>46941915
>They ruined everything in WotLK, and now, even when everything has been thoroughly ruined by outside forces, they still find a way to ruin everything
butthurt paladin detected.
>>46942138
>that sword
Those things were hilarious on gnomes.
>>46942296
pretty much everything is.
>>46941915
>>46942138
I'll go on record to say Demon Hunters radiate far more cringe than Death Knights.
>>46942860
>elf only
>unique visual features seperate from gear available only to them
>start even closer to max levels than DKs did in WotLK
>Few powers, many of them with unique animations, for maximum ease, and maximum feeling like you're doing something cool
Demon Hunters are cringe on every single level of their design
>>46943062
And there's still no Tinkerer class. Life is pain.
>>46943349
>still no Tinkerer class
The engineering profession already covers that niche.
>>46943349
Giving gnomes hunters was Blizzards way of saying it'll never happen.
>>46943062
Part of me seriously wants to make a Demon Hunter and then just copy paste Coldsteel's bio info into the MRP window.
>>46943734
You on WRA lad?
>>46944026
Of course.
>>46944130
Horde or Alliamce. What guild(s) you in
