I've been thinking about playing legacy, but I'm not made out of money.
Should I buy chinese-fakes? they seem pretty safe considering they pass bend- and lighttests and they have a blue core.
I won't sell or trade them, just play with them, would people really get mad at that?
I have a job, but I don't make nearly enough to afford any competitive legacy-deck.
>inb4 poorfags don't deserve to play
>Buying a proxy Have, AoT
>>46905450
i just googled "mtg counterfeit" I don't want the cards in the picture.
>>46905248
I think you should be fine. I wouldn't tell anybody that they were fakes, but I've bought some duals off of villa zheng and they are pretty good. You need to rough up the old cards a bit, and its very obvious when they are out of sleeves because they are a different texture. But I've played at my store's legacy night several times and nobody has said anything about it. Double sleeved and across the table, nobody should know. And to be honest, when you are trying to figure out the best way to win a game, are you really going to be paying attention to your opponent's cards to look for tiny differences? No. I wouldn't bring them to a big event though, since judges will most likely be able to spot them easily if you get deck checked.
I bought duals, wastelands, and zen/onslaught fetches and all were definitely passable. Go for it, there's nothing wrong with wanting to play the best format without wanting to drop thousands on cardboard.
>>46905655
thank you for your reply.
do you have your cards double-sleeved, or is regular sleeving enough to hide the fact that they are fake?
>>46905860
I double sleeve. I would definitely recommend double sleeving, since the cards are noticeably thicker than real ones, so if you only single sleeve it may be possible to see the fakes when looking at a deck toward the tops of the sleeves.
>>46905655
desu I am too terrified of being caught and branded as some horrible cheater for life and banned from all play forever. I just want to play.
>>46908559
"Oh... Holy shit, man. That means I'm out $XXXX. Fuck. Fuck! That son of a bitch! I bought these off a floor trader at GP Y."
>>46908704
this desu senpai
>>46908737
No one is going to buy that if it's more than a couple cards.
>>46908858
Why not? It's not unheard of to buy or sell an entire set of duals at once. If you're also using counterfeit Bobs, Jaces, Karns, and fetches, then it'd be a problem, but all of those are cheaper (relative to blue duals, that is) anyway.
Are we trying to get into Legacy for $50? I think $400 is a fine price point for Legacy decks, personally. if you want to break into a format using fakes for $50, I'd recommend Modern.
>>46908858
They might if you said you bought the deck/collection off of a retiring player, but added your some of your own cards.
>>46908858
>>46908969
And further, you can always fall back on "I bought this as a deck."
People already sell complete decks for a good chunk less than the sum of their parts. It's not really a stretch to believe a dude might sell Shardless BUG for 65% of its value, except with a shitload of counterfeits.
>>46908969
TL: I'm poor so it's okay to defraud WotC.
>>46909191
Are you saying it isn't?
>>46909211
The only thing sadder than spending $3000 on a stack of cardboard is spending $500 on a different stack of cardboard made to look like that $3000 stack of cardboard because you can't afford that $3000 stack of cardboard.
Financial sense 101. Seems you and everyone else who buys counterfeits doesn't.
>>46909283
It just sounds like I am saving myself $2500. I don't see why I should buy the real deal if the fakes look the same, it is not as if I plan on reselling them on Ebay.
>>46909283
>sad
I don't care about whatever social standing you see from owning overpriced cardboard, anon. I want to play the game and MaRo has seen fit to drive me to this to be able to. Blame him if it upsets you. Or kiss his ass and enjoy more reprints of modern staples as 300 dollar promos
>>46909357
If you can't spend money on a hobby maybe you shouldn't have that hobby.
>>46909370
You are part of the cancer that will kill MTG.
>>46909405
>You are part of the cancer that will kill MTG.
>people who want to play magic instead of making it into a hugbox stockmarket for rich nerds who have a contractual agreement that their stocks will never decrease in value are the ones really killing magic
Sure thing, bud.
>>46909405
Stay mad. Maybe you shouldn't have put your stock into cardboard? Wizards, like any other company, has to make decisions to be relevant, and not reprinting cards that people want to buy isn't one of them.
>>46909461
Just because you're not trying to pass off your fakes as real doesn't mean the other 5 guys aren't. When there are enough counterfeits running around, no one will be able to play Legacy because:
1) People won't buy RL cards because they fear unknowingly buying fakes
2) People who run fakes in sanctioned tournaments getting deck checked and being DQed, leading to a drop in players not only due to bans but also due to people not wanting to waste 2 hours every tournament waiting for everyone's deck to be checked as a precaution
3) WotC will kill off what remains of Legacy at that point to stop the bleeding.
>>46909480
>not reprinting cards that people want to buy isn't one of them.
The RL states otherwise
>>46909692
Here's your rebuttal: I don't care. I'd rather your doom scenario happen and the game die out if it means I get to play for a bit.
>>46909692
What is Wizards going to do? Ban Legacy tournaments? SCG already killed their Legacy support. It really doesn't matter anymore. Legacy will continue with or without WotC's support.
>>46909718
>is happy with killing Legacy because he can't afford it
Cancer. Straight cancer.
>>46909735
Legacy _currently_ runs off the back of the players. And it's doing perfectly fin. But when the playerbase becomes inundated with poorfags running fakes (and as a byproduct, more fakes making their way into the secondary market) WotC will be forced to step in.
>>46909736
All you're doing is trying to argue your selfishness is somehow better.
>You shouldn't be able to play because I fear a doomsday scenario not steeped in any ounce of reality!
And my response is you're stupid and your shit's all retarded.
>>46909765
And they'll finally reprint shit. Or fail and go out of business as they should.
>>46909765
Okay. Step in how? You think they're going to go out and ban sanctioned Legacy?
>>46909765
>More players coming in kills the scene
I have no idea why you believe that making the game more accesible is a problem. If people really want to check authenticity, there are several ways for those who care.
>>46909769
It's not even a matter of who is better. It's a matter of who is legally in the right. The players that shell out $2000 for a manabase or the players that knowingly buy forgeries?
You using the excuse that cardboard shouldn't cost $xxxx to justify buying counterfeit products is even more pathetic than you calling out the people who choose to spend that kind of money on a card game.
>>46909848
They won't ban it–quit it with the hyperbole–but they might drop ALL major support for it and ask other stores to do the same. That means NO GPs (not even the ONE that Legacy players get), no Opens, no PIQs, no 1Ks/5Ks, no EW, no EE. Maybe you'll even get your "SaffronOlive No-Reserved-List" format as a replacement
>>46909890
Legacy is to MTG like a Focus ST is to a regular commuter car. You don't need to be able to buy it, nor should you feel entitled to own it just because you've been playing/driving for X amount of years.
>>46910037
>but muh law
You keep trying to use things you assume will appeal to me. I don't care about the legal right.
>>46910145
I know you don't care. I'm just showing you why you're objectively shit.
>>46910037
I'm not confident people will just drop the format because of the counterfeiters. If WotC drops their support for the format in paper, that's effectively no change. The only difference you're proposing is that WotC will go and ask stores to stop hosting Legacy events which is pretty laughable. At that point, they might as well just ban sanctioned Legacy.
As for comparing Legacy to a Focus ST, or golf clubs, or a nice bike, or whatever the fuck else, the comparison doesn't hold because cars, golf clubs, and expensive bicycles are expensive because they have some inherent worth and utility. A Focus ST is composed of more expensive labor and parts than a regular commuter. MTG cards from '93 have no inherent difference from Chinese fakes other than their 'collectible' status. But as far as the game is concerned, they're just game pieces.
A fake Underground Sea will tap for U or B just the same. A fake Focus ST can't be looked at the same way.
>>46905248
Onar Bargior, Dox this Cunt.
>>46910037
Do you acquire all of your music via legal means?
Ever watch YouTube videos of copyrighted content?
My suspicion is 'no', but I suppose these days people do pay for things like Spotify. Just curious, though.
>>46910427
Man, I really want 4 Underground Sea but I don't want to buy them, I want to trade them.
So far I've managed to trade all the duals I need for shardless bug, except not a single underground sea.
Getting fakes isn't an option because my LGS is super strict on that shit, several regulars own a vintage or 93/94 deck.
>>46910604
>Do you acquire all of your music via legal means?
I buy CDs of artists I like and I buy MP3s off of iTunes whenever I can. If I can't find it, then I pirate.
This is different from having access (duals can always be found for sale) but choosing to buy counterfeits as the first option.
>Ever watch YouTube videos of copyrighted content?
I myself am not breaking any DMCA laws by watching videos uploaded by other users.
>My suspicion is 'no', but I suppose these days people do pay for things like Spotify. Just curious, though.
I pay for Netflix, I use Pandora (which is free), I use SoundCloud (which can be paid or free).
>>46905248
why not just take a bunch of shit cards you have, put them in sleeves, and print off pcitures of the cards you want from google? If you take the effort to actually make a good proxy I can't see anyone who isn't a complete faggot getting mad about it.
>>46910427
The point is wanting to play Legacy for cheap is having your cake and eating it, too. If your financial situation is that where you can afford MTG as a hobby, then being upset that you can't afford dual lands laughable because any sort of hobby is already indulgent.
>>46910205
And I'll never see it that way
>You are shit for wanting to do what the game was made for, play
>instead of selling for profit as a speculator douchebag
I legit wish MS on people like you
Counterfitting is a sign of poor business practices just like piracy is. Wizards chooses not to fix the problem and there for it is not going away
>>46910757
The problem with this is that nobody needs to be upset to go buy fakes and play with them
They CAN have their cake and eat it too, that just upsets you, so you're trying to make them feel guilty about it, a losing battle
>>46910869
legacy fags mad they spent thousands of dollars on cards, while normies just use proxies.
If you're so good at magic and your cards have nothing to do with it this should not be an issue for you.
>>46910910
This is always where the hate for poorfags or people who refuse to pay 5k for a deck comes from
>I have no will power and kowtowed to the jews and spent thousands and felt regret immediately
>I do not like the idea someone may also be able to play and not suffer the regret I did
>>46910808
I'm not a dealer. I know ONE dealer out of the hundreds of Legacy players I've ever met. Many of us would be upset if our dual lands that we worked hard to save for are all of a sudden worthless because lazy fucks like you choose to kill the format by buying counterfeit cards rather than saving up like we all did.
I'll go to sleep tonight happy that my financial situation lets me play a format as great as Legacy. You're always going to be sitting there wondering if your opponent will call a deck check on you. Have fun with that.
>>46910910
>>46910975
You need to have patience to be good at Legacy. Adults are patient. Adults have jobs. You calling people that contribute to society "Legacy fags" and calling poorshits on welfare like yourself "normies" is a bigger joke than the Modern format.
Want to play Legacy?
1. Go outside
2. Get a job
3. Buy Legacy cards
4. ????
5. Play Legacy guilt-free
>>46910694
That's great. Good for you, law-abiding netizen.
>>46910757
Sure, the hobby is indulgent. That's not really an argument against making it cheaper if possible, though.
>>46910910
>>46910975
I have thousands of dollars' worth of WotC cardboard and I don't give a damn about counterfeits. I spent my money and it's sunk. I could sell out and buy counterfeits, but knowing I own the real thing brings me some measure of happiness.
Doesn't make me resent people buying cheaper-yet-functionally-identical game pieces, though. I love having people to play Legacy with, whether they bring old cardboard, fake cardboard, or home-printed-cutouts-on-top-of cardboard.
>>46911026
>I love having people to play Legacy with, whether they bring old cardboard, fake cardboard, or home-printed-cutouts-on-top-of cardboard.
Everyone is okay with home-printed-cutouts. Fake cardboard has no place in this game. You literally paid money to buy something that isn't even real? You can accomplish the same thing with Sharpie and draft chaff.
>>46911025
>Many of us would be upset if our dual lands that we worked hard to save for are all of a sudden worthless
Then you are cancer. You care more about the monetary aspect of the game than the competitive. I'd wish death on you.
>lazy
Where is this projection coming from?
>kill the format by buying counterfits instead of saving up
Literally proving my point. You are mad that I am getting into the format without going into severe debt and you were a retard and did it "legit". WThe format died like 20 years ago when the reserve list was made, get over it.
>I make my sole legacy deck the focus of my entire life outside of my job
What a boring life you live.
>>46911059
Well, the problem with that is you can't bring sharpied cards to a sanctioned event.
The difference, I suppose, is you view the pieces of cardboard as something more than just a game piece.
>>46911059
Magic cards aren't real either, there is literally no difference between fakes and "real" cards if you don't play in major tournaments
It's all in your head
>>46911059
You're the one who bought something fake you tard
The people buying counterfeits are spending their money on actual labor and shipping costs
You paid that plus a 99% markup for "official" (pretend meaning) status for your cards
>>46909191
How is buying counterfeits defrauding WotC when you can't buy the older cards from them anymore? As far as I know, you can only buy a lot of the catalogue on the secondary market. WotC already got their money.
>>46911088
>Then you are cancer. You care more about the monetary aspect of the game than the competitive. I'd wish death on you.
You sound like an /r/magictcg poster. I'm going to let you in on a little secret: it's actually possible for someone to care about both the money they've spent on this game AND playing in competitive events.
>Where is this projection coming from?
You spelled "observation" wrong. I'm not the one who can't afford dual lands.
>WThe format died like 20 years ago when the reserve list was made, get over it.
Okay, yea you're definitely a crossposter from reddit. Only they're stupid enough to unironically believe that Legacy is dead.
>What a boring life you live.
I have job which gives me money to pay for my many hobbies, not just MTG. Yes, boring indeed.
>>46911097
You can bring counterfeits to a sanctioned event and if someone calls you out on it you'll not only be DQed but quite likely banned. All because you wanted to play Legacy. What an exciting life [figurative] you lead.
>>46911132
So if it doesn't matter, why don't you go borrow someone's laser printer and print out your own fakes?
>>46911216
Entering WotC-sanctioned events, so if you cash that event you just defrauded them out of that prize money.
>>46911283
>You sound like an /r/magictcg poster. I'm going to let you in on a little secret: it's actually possible for someone to care about both the money they've spent on this game AND playing in competitive events.
It's clear which you favor. Your reddit boogiemen is noted.
>You spelled "observation" wrong. I'm not the one who can't afford dual lands.
I think I must have spelt fallacy wrong.
>Okay, yea you're definitely a crossposter from reddit. Only they're stupid enough to unironically believe that Legacy is dead.
Again, reddit boogiemen are not a counrter point. It's like you have nothing to say and you're trying to call out your 4chan homies to curbstop that cracka because you can't. Legacy is dead as fruck, few can get into it due to insane costs and it's barely supported anymore.
>I have job which gives me money to pay for my many hobbies, not just MTG. Yes, boring indeed.
You think a handful of people making 6 figures can support a game? Good luck, anon. Maybe that's why Legacy is dead
>>46911378
>Legacy is dead as fruck, few can get into it due to insane costs and it's barely supported anymore.
The thousands of Legacy players around the world beg to differ.
>You think a handful of people making 6 figures can support a game?
You don't need to make 6 figures to afford a $4000 deck.
>>46911283
>What an exciting life...
Responding to the wrong poster; I didn't say that to you.
Once again, I'm just noting the difference between you and I is that you view the pieces of cardboard as something more than just game pieces. Which is OK, but means that we could never agree on this topic in the first place.
>>46911425
>The thousands of Legacy players around the world beg to differ.
Thousands out of billions isn't a very good number.
>You don't need to make 6 figures to afford a $4000 deck.
So do you live in the middle of no where in Montana, anon? You said you had lots of hobbies. How are you affording utilities, housing, food, your many other expensive hobbies plus multi thousand dollar decks on a sub 100k budget?
>>46911481
>Thousands out of billions isn't a very good number.
I wasn't aware billions of people played MTG.
>So do you live in the middle of no where in Montana, anon? You said you had lots of hobbies. How are you affording utilities, housing, food, your many other expensive hobbies plus multi thousand dollar decks on a sub 100k budget?
Just because that's MY financial situation doesn't make it the financial situation of the other Legacy players in my local playgroup.
>>46911481
You only buy your deck once. Jesus Christ.
>>46911516
>Just because that's MY financial situation doesn't make it the financial situation of the other Legacy players in my local playgroup.
You were fine with judging peoples financial situations based on their legacy collection before
>YOU'RE A LAZY POORFAG IF YOU DON'T BUY DUALS FOR 2K A SET
>>46911573
So you buy a single deck and never another again?
Fuck I can barely stand playing the same deck a month.
>tfw your EDH decks are worth +$10k
Git gud scrubs.
>>46911516
The "Legacy is dead" crowd don't play Legacy. Why do you care what they believe?
>>46911605
Some fortunate souls can afford more. Most pick one that they know they'll like and stick with it for years. That's Legacy.
>>46911605
Yes. You buy one deck. Then build other decks with the pieces from that deck. Or trade for them. I have grixis delver. If I want to build BUG Delver, I'll trade my volcs for useas and spend a couple hundred on goyfs. If I want to play ANT, I'll trade my volcs for LEDs.
>>46911574
>You were fine with judging peoples financial situations based on their legacy collection before
Because they bought real duals. Are you really this stupid or am I getting rused?
>>46911735
>My god, you expect me to own up to my hypocrisy!? PSHAW!
You are bitching about the judging of financial status after you hurled insults and called people poor.
>>46911707
>>46911711
How about I just buy counterfits and do what I want
>>46911799
You can, then face the consequences.
Don't act like you're smarter than the rest of the world because you can't budget.
>>46911799
you can totally do that, just be prepared for assblasted rich fags to get sour because you're beating them at magic now. They're all pro and their victories have nothing to do with their pay to win decks.
>>46911850
I'm not smarter than the average legacy player because I can't budget. I am smarter because I don't want to spend $4000 on a card game, when I can pay a fraction of the price and get the same thing. You can keep buying the official cards though, I have no problem with that.
>>46911772
Let me put it in modal form for your Standard-shit brain.
・Legacy is not a format for cheapasses
・Legacy is actually not that expensive to get into. $3000-4000 in one payment is very doable if you have any sort of regular employment and financial sense (ever heard of something called a bank account?)
・Therefore, if you can't afford Legacy, then it is likely because you don't have regular employment
・Those without regular employment are shitstains on society
・But if you don't have regular employment, how can you afford to play any form of MTG?
・Ignoring that plot hole, rather than finding a job so you can afford Legacy, you think you're superior for paying less money for counterfeits
・>You think you're superior to people with jobs. People with jobs contribute to society
・But why don't you go get a job? Nevermind you can now have money to play MTG, you can now have money PERIOD
・You don't get a job because you're lazy. The unemployed have no right to call out the employed and what the employed spend their money on
Does that make sense now?
>>46911881
You'll probably still get your ass wrecked by someone with a job who bought into Legacy 2 years ago and has been playing their deck for 2 years. Typical Modern player mentality, thinking that just because your format is run by non-interactiveness that you can port your "proficiency" over to a REAL format that has stack interaction.
>>46911850
>the consequences
You mean none? Sure.
Unless you're implying physical attacks by overweight wannabe wallstreet sharks. In which case I am glad I live in an open carry state
>>46912000
Nice trips.
You're still a retard for being butthurt about random people not sinking the same money you do into cardboard.
>>46912000
I have a job and I could spend $4000 on a legacy deck
or I could spent $30 on the same deck, wth fake cards and go on a $3970 vacation, maybe with friends, where we maybe play with said cards
>>46912000
>poor people are poor because they're lazy
Does this fallacy have a name? I see republicans use it a lot.
>>46912000
>・You don't get a job because you're lazy. The unemployed have no right to call out the employed and what the employed spend their money on
At the very base levels your only ability against that is to actually attack the other poster. I have every right to consider you a scumbag for having a job if I wanted and your only way to solve that would be to attempt to end my life over your superiority complex.
Back on topic, what happened to Stoneman? Did he fold up shop, or does he still sell stuff under a different name?
>>46912042
>You mean none?
That open-carry law will come in handy when you get banned for 3 years from any sanctioned MTG after being found out for using counterfeits.
>>46912062
They won't be random when they're the reason why the format I love will die.
>>46912082
If that's your argument, then why don't you spend $10 on sleeves and use random basic lands + Sharpie and have $3990 to take your vacation?
>>46912200
Typical cuckservative, talking about 'muh gun' when it has nothing to do with anything
>>46912200
>you're gonna get banned ;-;
If that helps you sleep at night, man with more money than sense
>>46912246
You're the one that brought it up first friendo.
>>46912200
Basic lands + sharpie for every single card is ugly and difficult to keep track of game state
Printing out paper proxies to put in front of basics is a little better but still somewhat ugly
I have a large collection of real cards because I like the way they look, magic has great art and card design, I don't mind paying a few bucks for packs when a new set comes out, just to check out any flavorful commons and art I get
But when I want to make a deck that is good and playable in a defined format, there are cards with a price tag so high that it makes it worth it to me to find counterfeits because I prefer to play with nice looking cards but I have no qualms about cutting the secondary market out of the equation
>>46912200
what about me, the strictly EDH player?
>>46912200
I'm not buying your unsubstantiated theory that legacy will die because of counterfeits
>>46912353
EDH players are usually even more butthurt about proxies.
>>46912381
His logic is that people will sell counterfits and then the secondary market on legacy staples will die and there for legacy will die becaue SCG isn't making insane bank anymore. I don't quite follow the logic myself
>>46912386
my current playgroup is ok with them, and if i move on to a new one i was just not gonna tell or trade the proxies away, none the wiser
>>46912381
Then we agree to disagree in the theory that Legacy will thrive because of them. Legacy isn't dying, so it's not in desperate need of an influx of players or anything. What this influx of players (let's assume that many are using counterfeits) will do is increase the likelihood that these players will end up selling their counterfeits into the market, which will lead to problems in the future. All because they wanted to play with the big boys.
>>46912433
What problems will be caused by people attempting to sell their counterfeits?
>>46912433
Man, are all legacy players this fucking elitist?
>legacy is only for the creme de la creme, not everyone you uncultured swine!
>>46912514
Nah I think every time we have a thread like this the same lunatic chimes in, he has familiar speech patterns
>>46912510
Other players unwittingly buying them, then they get deck checked and subsequently DQed.
>>46912514
I wouldn't expect a non-Legacy player to understand, so I forgive you.
>>46912536
I'm glad I don't play legacy if it's full of stuck up douches with superiority complexes. Though desu it makes me want to buy counterfits to sell just to spite your community.
>>46912000
>I AM BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE I SPENT $4000 DOLLARS ON CARDBOARD
I get the impression that because you think that's a sound financial decision you either:
1. Inherited a lot of money or a social position where you can waste money like that
or
2. Are a Neet who's rich parents pay for your hobby
>>46912536
>legacy player unwittingly buys a fake
>it was a good enough fake for him to not realize it was fake even when he sleeved it up for his tournament
>but somehow it was a bad enough fake that he gets DQ'd because it looks bad enough to be recognized from across the table in sleeves
>>46912597
dont let this guy make us look bad, other local legacy players are the more laid back players ive ever met
>Playing modern
>Got some nice chinaman proxies
>Ended up spending $60 on proxies, saving me $800
>Double-sleeved and I've never gotten called out on it before
>Even go to a sanctioned tournament and the judges couldn't tell.
>Ended up winning a booster box of magic origins by getting into the top 4 out of over 120.
>>46912597
We don't look down on you for not being able to afford Legacy. We get that it's a decent chunk of money. We look down on your for choosing to support counterfeiters rather than saving money so that you can buy the real thing. There's a significant difference.
>>46912644
No matter how "laid back" you are, you can't seriously be happy that people are contributing to the death of the game via buying from Chinese counterfeiters.
The less money you spend at stores buying real cards, the less money they have to buy other MTG product to foster the growth of the game.
>>46912648
Out of curiosity, which cards did you buy proxies of? I was considering Lilliana and some goyfs.
>>46912739
Mostly Goyfs and dual lands/fetches. Saved some money by already having some proxy fetches and miscellaneous creatures.
>>46912736
Maybe players would rather "grow" the amount of legacy they play rather than grow the bank accounts of their local jew
>>46912200
>I'm butthurt my 4000$ didn't bought me skill, just cardboard!
Be fucking realistic, you thought mtg is pay to win, and the chinamen proved you wrong
>>46913011
Want to play Xmage right now? There ARE players with both money and brains, though you likely have neither.
Tarmogoyf isn't worth it's price to me
Fake tarmogoyf is though because it does everything real tarmogoyf does for a fraction of the cost
>>46913011
>>46913057
I've made a lobby, it will be up for the next 15 minutes. You have until then to join.
Details below.
NAME: /tg/ put your skill where your money is
PW: Legacy
This is on the woogerworks server.
>>46912626
Considering his disconnect from reality with his "counterfeits will kill the gane" and "your net worth is in direct proportion to how lazy or smart you are" I'd guess not
>>46912626
No hobbies are sound financial decisions. However, being able to recognize when a hobby is out of your budget (or within it) is.
>>46912931
Oy very goy, how dare you prefer the game to my money
>>46913752
Yeah, but I can put in in my budget if I get the cards from enterprising individuals on Taobao. It is just a game after all.
>>46913846
But isn't that trying a little too hard? Part of the allure of hobbies is that you have something to save up towards with each paycheck. By going to AliBaba you're losing the the sense of accomplishment. I remember I was so happy when I bought my last Mox Diamond for my Legacy deck. There's something special about saving up, budgeting, and finally pulling the trigger after searching for an example that meets my standards.
>>46913932
>Sense of accomplishment
I play magic to play the game, not for the "Sense of accomplishment" that comes when buying singles. You can of course enjoy the game in your own way.
>>46913973
But the sense of accomplishment is part of what makes a hobby a hobby. Ship-in-a-bottle builders, car restorers, even chefs.
I mean, different strokes for different folks but it just seems like you're cheating yourself by going to China.
>>46914003
That is entirely subjective. I personally find hunting these guys down and chatting with them on Skype to be a pretty interesting experience, as opposed to just going on SCG and clicking the add to cart button. The sense of accomplishment comes when I hope China Post hasn't lost everything, and my cards are finally fit in their sleeves with everything else.
>>46913932
All I want to fucking do is play. I do not want to save up for years, playing an unfinished deck until I get bored of it solely to afford the rest of it
None ccg player dropping into the conversation to say that, while I generally despise most of you magic players (you're just so damn toxic all the time), I have more respect for people doing what it takes to play the game the way they want to via counterfeits than I do for the people shitting themselves over said people. It's like you're scared that all the money you dump on the hobby no longer secures your position as the best player in the local meta. Whelps, guess it's back to playing skillfully instead of financially.
Also, a gift from my local meta. Wish I could say I owned it.
>>46914035
>as opposed to just going on SCG and clicking the add to cart button.
You can always "deal-hunt" on the FB groups.
>>46914060
So then print out some proxies from magiccards info and save up.
>>46914075
Yeah, but that is way more expensive. This way, I can find much bigger bargains. In the end, any deals on FB won't be significantly lower than the going price of each card.
>>46914084
No. I'll buy counterfeits. Deal with it
>>46913390
1v1 me faggot
>counter fitting will kill my format
Unless you can show evidence of legacy and modern significantly dropping in attendance Then your claim is shit. Convincing counterfeits have been posted and discussed and considered anissue for at least 4 yyears. Yet according to anti-china men, legacy is growing. How can legacy grow if counterfitting kills it
itt: Butthurt buyer's regret fag trying to tell people how to spend their money
>>46914353
I have work tomorrow porch monkey. I gave you a time frame where you could have joined. Not my fault you weren't there.
>>46914375
No buyer's regret here. I don't need to take out loans to support my hobbies.
>>46914374
And unless you can show evidence of Legacy event attendance going down, then Legacy doesn't need counterfeits/an RL abolishment to keep thriving. Checkmate dumbass.
>>46914400
That makes no sense. The argument against counter fitting was that it'd kill legacy. We have now proven this is utterly false. If its not true then why us counter fitting bad?
>>46914456
Counterfeiting WILL kill Legacy. We haven't gotten to that point yet. Hopefully we never will.
>>46912088
Converse Error: Concluding that a certain set of results can only come from one set of circumstances. "If A, then B. B, therefore A."
Lazy people do tend to be poor, this is a fact.. That doesn't make the converse true that poor people tend to be lazy.
>>46914485
you can't kill a corpse anon
>>46914562
>Legacy is deadme.me
>>46914067
>you're just so damn toxic all the time
I have to say, i'm a new player, I just started playing in the past couple years, and I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
I dont think you know what toxic is, these threads and all the players I have met so far are far from it.
>>46914485
You're stupid and your shits all retarded
>>46914067
>presents well-reasoned arguments with multiple supporting points as to why counterfeits are bad for the game
>toxic
>buys counterfeits
>an hero
Can't explain that.
>>46914485
the community will kill legacy when nobody plays it apart from in digital formats.
>>46914518
It really isn't fact. Its actually opposite reality
>>46914593
But that point was countered and then you moved goalposts because you're like most wealthy people. A total moron.
>>46914632
Oh really? Okay show me how I moved goalposts.
>>46914781
>counter fitting is killing legacy
>proved it isn't
>"well it will later"
>>46914828
I am not >>46914485
>>46914781
You are getting owned, fucking stop before he ravages your anus anymore than he has.
>>46910838
This. Counterfeits will only become better and more common.
Where's a good place to buy proxies?
Also, is it technically illegal? Or not since many companies give little tells?
>>46914906
I hope none of you ever go into law because
>I'm poor
>buy fakes
>ANON FOR PRESIDENT ONE TRUE GOD
is not a legitimate argument
>>46915111
Its illegal to produce. But the only way you're getting China to obey copyright is if you beat them in war
>>46915266
Either you or the guy you are backing had his entire argument destroyed
>>46915323
Not >>46915266 but you keep saying this. Show me proof?
>>46912736
oh i still draft now and then, but my store doesnt deal in singles
>>46915381
Here you go anon
>>46909692
afterwards same poster started also slamming people for saying legacy is dead because he/you claimed it was very alive.
The counter to that was here
>>46914374
You cannot argue counterfitting will lead to legacies death and then also claim counterfitting has had no effect on legacy in half a decade since chinaman became a noticable thing, and legacy has in fact GROWN
And the goal post moving can be found here
>>46914485
The problem is we are getting their shitty stock. The good stock is sold at real value. The ones that look to dark or the colors are off get sold to stupid Americans.
I've got some villa zheng revised duals. Any tips for making them look properly worn? I've been shuffling the shit outta them but they're tougher than regular magic cards
>>46911425
>The thousands of Legacy players around the world beg to differ.
>there are dozens of us! DOZENS!
>>46916648
Look at this cutting edge anon, he's in the know
>>46910746
This.
Anyone who would get mad at you for doing that would get super buttflustered if they found you had actual fakes, and I wouldn't take the risk if I were in your place.
Anyone got a list of what proxies China man does? Also how do I place an order through aliexpress? I want to get some proxies for edh because fuck buying an actual tabernacle or candelabra.
