Why do people like kobolds again?
People like underdogs.
>>46865162
>People like Underdragons.
FTFY
>>46865001
They aren't a Tolkien-Standard fantasy race:
>Human
>Elf
>Dwarf
>Orc
>Halfling/Hobbit/Gnome
It's therefore got less baggage, therefore more room to create something new without feeling like your rewriting something already written.
Tucker's Kobolds
We, as humans, are biologically motivated to cheer on the underdog. Since goblins are ugly little fucks they aren't cheered on as the underdog since image is a trait in empathy. Kobolds are either cute dragon halflings without wings or walking puppies, which means we both empathize and cheer them on.
>>46865474
>We, as humans, are biologically motivated to cheer on the underdog.
Speak for yourself.
An upset every now and then can be exciting, but most people are more naturally drawn towards strength.
>>46865401
/thread
>>46865542
Technically it's societally based and not biological, but close.
http://theodysseyonline.com/valdosta/why-do-we-love-the-underdogs/388178
>>46865001
Because they fall in the cross section of "furry" and "scalie" so they attract people from both groups
>>46865655
yeah even in the cases where we root for the underdog, we don't root for them because they're weak. We cheer them because they've shown that they're stronger than we expected. It's still an admiration of strength, it's just more exciting when that strength comes from somewhere unexpected.
I think we're saying the same thing.
Because I want to play a runty little fuck who speeds around and steals/stabs shit.
I like Pathfinder Kobolds because they have little-dog syndrome
>>46865849
>Kobolds often seethe with hatred and jealousy, but their innate caution ensures that they only act on these impulses when they have the upper hand. If unable to safely indulge their urge to physically harm and degrade members of other races, they resort to careful insults and “practical jokes” instead
Doesn't that sound fun?
>>46865001
Because they are awesome?
>>46865900
If you're a furryfag, yea
>>46865894
That sounds awful, it's the pinnacle of passive aggressiveness
>>46866405
So they are like teenage girls.
>>46865900
What is the rest of this comic? I'd love to see a dragon raised by a kobold.
>>46865001
It's a joke that some people have come to enjoy.
Kobolds are the standard D&D walking bags of XP, even lower than goblins. They are there to be annoying and give targets to kill. The fact that they produce traps (yet another PC annoyance) is just to make them even more tempting to be killed off.
Just look at how popular culture portrays kobolds, such as Kobolds Ate My Baby!
Some people have enjoyed the underdog status. Some people have enjoyed the challenge of keeping the weakest monster in the manual alive, either as a character or a a hireling.
Then WotC decided to turn kobolds into a type of dragon, perhaps as a bit of a joke, and the whole mess boiled over.I'd prefer Hobgoblins if I had to pick a typical D&D monster to make into a race, but that's just me.
>>46865327
>Gnome
>Tolkien
When did Tolkien use gnomes? And no, hobbits don't count; I don't recall any hobbits who could cast illusionary spells, talk with animals, or engaged in alchemy experiments.
>>46867631
>I don't recall any hobbits who could
>Cast illusory spells
1. Natural Hobbit Stealth has more than perceived magical aspect to it. Also Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam wielded the Ring to gain invisibility. Bilbo cast a taunting spell upon the spiders (many spells are sung in LOTR this was likely unintentional magic) and Frodo invoked the light of elbereth in Shelob's lair.
>talk with animals
2. besides eagles, spiders, ravens, thrushes, and foxes right?
>or engaged in alchemy experiments.
burning the Longleaf for its properties and other extensive use, knowledge, and cultivation of herblore.
Not that I need a further connection between Hobbits and Gnomes other than
>fair human-like beings shorter than dwarves, but not minuscule.
>>46867944
>Not that I need a further connection between Hobbits and Gnomes other than
>>fair human-like beings shorter than dwarves, but not minuscule.
That fits halflings and gnomes equally well, so if you're going to call halflings the D&D hobbit, then you can't call the considerably different gnomes the same.
>Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam wielded the Ring to gain invisibility.
>Frodo invoked the light of elbereth in Shelob's lair.
Invoking a magical item is hardly the same as casting spells, or having a natural affinity for illusions. At best, the hobbits (mostly) resisted the greed with the ring that affected others and they became invisible when wearing it, but I don't recall anyone else actually wearing the ring.
Well, outside Sauron.
>Natural Hobbit Stealth has more than perceived magical aspect to it.
Ehhh.... Natural Elven Archery has a preceived magical aspect to it, but elves were never given a magical, use-activated ability to enhance their archery. Ditto to Natural Elven Sight. (Although AD&D, at least, did have a somewhat magical ability to detect secret doors.)
Halflings' bonus to stealth seems much more in line for Hobbits' natural stealth, much like an elf's bonus and proficiency for archery.
>Bilbo cast a taunting spell upon the spiders
I actually don't remember this - it's been a very long time since I read The Hobbit - so fair enough. I'll take your word for it.
>besides eagles, spiders, ravens, thrushes, and foxes right?
All of those were, as far as I can tell, creatures which could converse with any species of man. The eagles and spider, at least, seemed more like talking intelligent creatures rather than just big birds or bugs which happen to talk with hobbits.
>burning the Longleaf for its properties and other extensive use, knowledge, and cultivation of herblore.
Again, don't quite recall that part, so I'll take your word for it. That does sound more gnome-y than halfling-y to me.
>>46868672
>you can't call the considerably different gnomes the same.
>considerably different
>gnomes
kek
The rest of it (including Bilbo singing "Big Fat Spider") was me mostly yanking your chain. Burning Longleaf was just a fancy way for me to say smoking tobacco and getting buzzed, and calling it alchemy (which it kinda still is).
>>46868822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKdsBlRNgX0
>>46867944
> Natural Hobbit Stealth has more than perceived magical aspect to it.
I'm pretty sure it's stated that it's a result of their culture and small, lithe bodies that make them good at stealth rather than any actual magic. Men just think it's magic.
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>>46865001
No gag reflex
>>46865001
>Why do people like kobolds again?
Validated persecution complex
Latent furry tendencies.
Obsession with the scrawny underdog using their intelligence to undermine the big mean adventurers.
Cute, CUTE!
>>46866130
Rude
>>46869604
Is that Slark?
>>46870397
>Furfag
>"rude"
Implying you have emotions beyond autism and yiffing
>>46870951
the hell is yiffing?
>>46867631
In some early writings I think Tolkien referred to Noldor as synonymous with "gnomes".
A favorite PC of mine was a Kobold named Remmy, just a kid with a heart of gold who wanted to save his mom
Because they're adorable.
I have no idea.
They're like goblins accept I want to kill them even more.
>>46874716
Why post the broke back one?
>>46865001
>>46877955
she is part lizard, her back is more flexible
>>46878102
>>46877955
Flexible little lizard girls.
>>46868672
>Invoking a magical item is hardly the same as casting spells
The One Ring greatly augments one's innate talents. Sauron wasn't invisible while he wore the Ring, but Bilbo was. Someone like Gandalf wearing it would be an interplanar crisis if he was corrupted by it.
>>46873225
It's the noise furries/scailes/anyone who likes to fuck or be fucked by animals/anthropomorphic animals make.
I always thought kobolds were a type of mammalian creatures, not dragonkin
>>46865001
Because unlike a lot of underdark creatures, kobolds are edible. Being as they would happily kill you, and eat your corpse, I've never had much problem doing the same to them. Also you can use kobold as a replacement for alligator in gumbo, or as nuggets.
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>>46878102
I still think that degree of a bend over such a small area it to extreme.
and I know I have the no pants version of the edit.
>>46878319
and found it.
>>46865001
They're scrappy little underlizarddogs and you can TOTALLY pull the ol' Tucker's Kobolds and have them be hyper-competent (mental stats are one of the few places they don't get minuses!). Never mind that by the same almost-logic of Tucker's Kobolds you can do that with LITERALLY everything in your entire setting, you're showing off the god damn KOBOLDS.
Fuck them, they're practically pets. Only useful as low (1st) level encounters and exposition for dragons the party will encounter later on.
Cause they're awesome! also i love cutebolds.
>>46865001
No gag reflex and the ability to eat things using methods similar to a snakes.
>>46878460
oh my...any more fat kobold butts?
>>46878386
Found your pants, series over!I fucking loved that movie
>>46865542
So that's why he always wore a towel!
>>46878512
Does this work?
>>46878557
To clean up when he was done with the strong horses?
>>46878572
A little lewder than I expected, and honestly not that well done.But yes, more like that.
>>46865001
The same reason necromancers are loved. They feel unique
>>46865001
they're a nice change from goblins
a bit chewy though
>>46878201
.....How do YOU know this~?
>>46878557
holy fuck anon
>>46865001
Personally, I blame Weaver.
>>46879862
cutebolds are cute
What would kobold taste like
>>46880988what part are you eating?
>>46881289
Would it matter greatly which part? Unless you're using eating as an innuendo.
>>46881418
Eating fast twitch muscles over slow twitch ones and the fat content of each part will affect flavor yes.
>>46865001
>Why do people like kobolds again
Because I want to fuck them.
>>46865001
memes
>>46881486
Nice le meme xD
>>46868672
>Halflings' bonus to stealth seems much more in line for Hobbits' natural stealth, much like an elf's bonus and proficiency for archery.
In the opening essay about hobbits, it explicitly states that they have magic that they use to hide from the big loud dumb people like the reader.
>>46865001
They're the same people that would fuck a lizard if they could.
The images in this thread are proof of that.
>>46865001
Because people like things.
>>46870249
oh no
I'm kinda-sorta working on a setting where the only non-human races are 3 meter tall "oni with the serial numbers filed off" called gigantes and 3 to 4 foot tall Monster Musume kobolds called, uh, kobolds.
>>46865001
Because dumb memers.
It's either le cute underdogs, le fantasy vietcong, and/or le sexy lizards :3
3ebolds were a mistake.
>>46869461
This has me dead of cute and I love it.
>>46888251
>Monster Musume kobolds
Leave
>>46888420
Sorry dude, everything is anime now.
>>46888260
Don't forget the no gag reflex. Thats what really sells it.
>>46867944
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>>46867631
You fucks realize that ACTUAL IRL magic, and even mythological magic isn't anything like D&D magic, right? Knitting, cooking, and riding horses while standing on their bare backs are all a lot closer. Seriously, guys, you need to start going to /x/ and just reading for ideas. Their shit is so crazy it just might make a good campaign if you can just LURK MOAR.
>>46888525
>>46878501
>>46870249
Where the hell does this "no gag reflex" meme come from?
>>46888827
Pathfinder
>>46888827
Pathfinder lore talks about them having no gag reflex and the fact their smell and taste sense finds nothing disgusting or repugnant.
It also immediately follows up this fact with them servicing dragons happily.
>>46879862
I feel that blaming Weaver is never not the right answer.
>>46888775
I would but /x/ is full of literal retards who don't actually know anything about the background material. Take the skinwalker bullshit for example. One guy heard something about some native american monster and they just made shit up surrounding it. Its literally nothing at all like the original myth the only english name is similar and it has loosely vague attachments to natives.
Hell their whole tulpa bullshit is WAY off the mark from the original material as well.
Fucking hitlers cobbled together pseudo-religion held more water than /x/'s vomited up bullshit is and they did literally the exact same thing.
>>46867944
>>46868672
>>46888775
>>46868822
Brehs, almost all magic in Tolkien's setting is just 'being really good at something'.
Gandalf's fireworks are magical because they're really well made fireworks that he's put his craft and time into. Same with pretty much anything the elves make (hence them not understanding the question "yo are these cloaks magic?"). Same with being really good at singing courage-inspiring songs or sneaking or writing poetry or making jewellery or caring for animals.
DnD style shit like throwing fireballs is occasional but it's usually used as evil magic to contrast because it's unnatural and is drawing power from nothing.
Fuck.
>>46888827
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>>46889653
The Ainur and the most powerful High Elves actually can do far more than just throwing fireballs, they just were instructed to not do so anymore because every single time they did it the world ended at the brink of destruction
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>>46888775
>ACTUAL IRL magic
u wot m8
>>46892717
Prestidigitation
>>46865001
Memes, namely cutebolds.
They were known as early adventure fodder and pests prior to that.
>>46865001
Because of a badass motherfucker named Deekin Scalesinger.
>>46889848
Heh, still not sorry I made that image.
>>46896075
I once heard someone describe Deekin as "Jar Jar done right" and now I can't get that image out of my head.
>>46896352
Come to think of it jarjar has a damn good prehensile tongue and can swallow various objects larger than apples whole as well.
>>46896644
Gungans are also human-sized, have powerful hip and leg muscles, and can hold their breath for hours at a time. And after the massacre at Theed, no doubt there's plenty of Gungan widows just achin' for a man.
>>46896773
I fucking hate you for putting this image in my head,
I just have weakspot for "cannon fodder minion races". I like goblins but they far more into chaotic daredevils with no self preservation, while Kobolds are more of dragon lackeys.
Is this character idea too far fetched: CE Kobold Sorcerer dreaming about establishing and ruling own warren as a powerful overlord?
>>46897700
>Meesa so ho nee
>>46898022
>I like goblins but they far more into chaotic daredevils with no self preservation
I fucking hate this shit and blame pathfinder.
>>46898089
It's also Magic the Gathering. Goblins are the default race of monored magic which is impulsive, chaotic, passionate, destructive, and fun.
I love some chaotic tinker goblins, but sometimes you want some dimwitted yesmen with silly supremacy complex.
>>46898089
Cmon. Don't tell me you wouldn't love a boar surfing kobold who does crazy stunts like evil knieval while whipping around various incendiary and explosive devices. Maybe give him a rope or something for AT-AT style take downs.
Okay since this is kobold thread now here is random kobold related idea: Kobold telling their human party member to crouch for a moment, and when human does they pet them telling human that they are "good human" since this is how humans reward their well behaving lesser species. Bonus point if they actually say out loud the last part of that sentence.
I like to use them as a near universal slave species whose religion is based around a prophecy about the eventual return of All The Dragons
>>46898535
I now have a pass at banging them. Dogs do it all the time and the worst i've seen is everyone just kinda laughs.
>>46898067
Checked and kek'd
>>46865001
the smell of their burned flesh is quite pleasant to be honest. Not the taste, oh gods no, just the smell.. and the screams of course the screams. Not as pleasant screams as orcs though. But nevermind, soon all inferior races will be purged from this world and then we will only have beautiful races. What a world to live in.
>>46898067
Jesus Christ. This is finding its way into my next star wars game.
>>46898022
I've always preferred Goblins as the ugly-cute, childish, sneaky, little guys that you kind of feel bad for defeating.
Post more cute gobs, please.
>>46903225
I mean childish and fun-loving/no self-preservation are kind of same thing for goblins.
>>46903225
Cute gobs, please!
>>46906158
Seconding this
>>46906158
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>>46908293
I prefer cutesy male gobs, but cutesy female gobs are alright as long as they're not too sexualized or Elf-like.
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>>46908355
MS Paint gobs, ho!
>>46908355
I know that goblin!
It's from Within a Mile of Home.
>>46906158
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>>46908322
>in before incase porn
>>46865001
Mine is a loyal servant, faithful, incredibly devoted, and fanatically loyal. Top-tier gofer, errandboy, personal shieldsman (Uh, shieldbold?) and watch-taker. Can also (usually but imperfectly) detect when dire-mimics are about.
>>46910675
I've always wanted to play a fighter with Leadership whose cohort is a Kobold Bard who plays caddy for him.
"Aye, sir, that would be a Dretch, sir, I'd recommend the +1 cold iron longsword. Unless you're feeling confident about the holy warhammer still, sir?"
"I think I'll play it through, Jameson. I'm feeling lucky today."
"Very well, sir. Take care for the stinking cloud, sir."
"Jameson!"
"Not me, sir, the Dretch."
>>46869486
>>46878081
Actual Kobolds
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>>46878787
furfag trash.
I'm not even going to finish scrolling through the thread, it can't get better.
>>46910784
Basically. All the nobility in this country are dragonblooded humans/halfdragons, all the serfs and peasantry and soldiery are kobolds. It's just how things work.
>>46911353
I'd say
>>46888207
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>>46896075
>>46896352
After your cutoff point aren't furfag trash. Most of the thread sadly is, though. Stupid hard to get pics of actual kobolds instead of tiny lizard furries.
>>46865001https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RK83Iy1aMo
>>46911353
>>46911610
Scalefag trash, thank you very much.
>>46915345
There's no big difference. a different flavor of ice cream is still ice cream
>>46916954
Your choice of analogy makes that sound less mean than probably intended.
