What would a fantasy or scifi setting based on Australian Aboriginal culture/mythology/history look like?
Well i wpuld guess it ends in genocide, camps and eugenics.
Ancient aliens
>>46851276
I had an idea for a Sci Fi thing where aliens come to claim Australia as their own territory. The initial landing party is wiped out during a Maralinga nuclear test site during the 1950s, and in the following years Woomera becomes a kind of Area 51.
Eventually, a colony fleet turns up in 2010s and start trying to colonise the continent.
Fighter pilots patrolling the skies, ground troops and investigators flushing out alien colonies and invasion plots, recovering alien technology and retroengineering it, trying to communicate with what appear to be dozens of different alien species/social groups, etc, etc.
>>46851276
they worship the goon and live in the shadow of a controlling, fast living, no caring species.
It was legal to hunt them until 20 years ago, now they're so fucked they've forgotten their history and just get smashed on cheap booze
Well you'd need to make a new playable race for a start....
>>46851276
>based on Australian Aboriginal culture
Stealing and then huffing gas.
>>46851276
>Australian Aboriginal
>fantasy
Plenty of neat stuff out there for this, but would be primitive as all hell tech wise.
>scifi setting
They invented sticks that can fly some how?
>>46851276
Players can shift between the real world and a dreamworld which they can alter at will.
WE
>>46851991
WUZ
>>46851276
Fantasy:
They're orks that get high and make shit up a lot. Also pretend to lie dead in roads to ambush travelers.
Sci-fi: their planet is a restricted zone and travel there is limited to scientific observers looking to study truly primitive races. The rest of humanity fucked off long ago, the abos are still throwing sticks at things. No more gas to huff though, suicide rate skyrocketed, leaving only a small, even more inbred population.
>>46851995
ABOS N SHEET
>>46851276
>abo history
>>46851276
The same as the real one? Have you actually read any of their myths?
That's some high-octane shit and most of it created without even being wasted or drugged.
Besides, using their myths as a basis for setting is just plain retarded, given the content and the way their myths are created. You can't just take any given mythology and turn it into adventure starters, since not all mythologies in the world are hell-bend on heroic adventures.
In case of Abo myths, it's pretty much "this thing came to existence, because..."
>>46851276
>Making thread about Aborigines at the high point of Aussie shitposting
I'm not even sure if this is a bait or pure stupidity.
Probably both
Aboriginals pre-first fleet were a tribal culture with animal and elder worship. They had a spears and boomerangs to hunt and made canoes from tree bark. They also had a creation story called "the dreamtime" where gigantic spirit versions of australian animals created the terrain and taught the people. Alot of their belieifs are superficially similar to native americans but they werent as advanced or organized. Australia back then also had hundreds of regional variations on language so aboriginal people are connected heavily to were theyre from in australia because they literally have their own territory and language.
Post first fleet they were ethnically cleansed. Their children stolen to be used by the english as guides, their culture completely decimated and treated worse than slaves. Modern aboriginal descendants fall into a spectrum between two extremes. Those who remember their culture and try to keep it alive and those who use their cultural history as a crutch and wallow in drug dependency and alcoholism. Currently there is a massive gap in the health, life expectancy and education of indigenous australians and white australians.
In a sci fi setting based on pre first fleet aboriginals. I imagine them to be very similar to the fallen from destiny but more peaceful. Nomadic spacefaring scavengers where ships and their content would be unique despite the same origin point. Modern aboriginals would be more or less identical to the fallen only without the whole six armed alien thing.
>>46852381
>Destiny
wow, sure is constructive in here.
>>46852381
Peaceful?
Fuck off. The aboriginals were incredibly war-like, and there's a bit of evidence pointing towards them having genocided the country's original inhabitants. Their favorite hunting strategy was "burn down the forest and kill the animals as they run out", and that's responsible for Australia being a desert in the middle. Their coming of age rituals are incredibly nasty and I'm not going to post the details of them here because nobody wants to read about having your dick sliced open (this is one of the least horrifying parts).
Life for the tribes was hard, brutal and short, and the tasmanian aborigines (who were wiped out) hadn't actually discovered how to make fire by the time the British showed up.
>>46852486
About as constructive as the average abo desu
>>46852787
>the tasmanian aborigines (who were wiped out) hadn't actually discovered how to make fire by the time the British showed up.
I learned that they did figure out how to make fire, but the knowledge was not passed on and forgotten again.
Then the Dutch & British showed up, deemed the aboriginals less than human, and made a tabacco sack out of the chieftain's testicles
>>46852856
I keep hearing about people doing that, but why the fuck would you want to smoke something that's literally been inside another guy's nutsack?
>>46852872
Think about it
Your balls are the most precious thing about you
One of the prime goals of the human body is to protect the balls at all costs
Wouldn't you feel safe knowing that your pricey tobacco is protected by a produt designed through billions of years of evolution?
>>46851276
About the only cool shit they have are Kurdaitcha and songlines
SMT had some aboriginal spirits in it
abbo paintings are spooky as fuck. remember seeing a museum exhibit where they made a model of their mythological creatures. Was a tall, thin white thing with 4 stilt legs. Looked pretty rad.
>>46852994
Fucking rainbow snake. I think I used it in Persona 3. Was a decent midgame spellcaster.
>>46853021
>playing any post-Eternal Punishment Persona
>>46853035
>Playing Persona instead of an SMT game
>>46852787
Some were, some weren't. There wasn't any homogenous aboriginal culture, but instead there were hundreds of different groups with different languages, traditions and mythologies.
For instance, I live in the area that used to be Noongar territory, and they lived mostly off fish, fruit and nuts and initially were quite civil towards the Dutch, French and English colonists, before there was the inevitable culture clash.
The same goes for the coming of age rituals. They varied significantly from group to group. For some, they just painted themselves and pretended to be animals. Obviously there were some very gruesome traditions, but that's very common in tribal communities. Compared to some of the tribes in Africa, they were bordering on civilised
The desert is more a symptom of a lack of rainfall and an arid climate. Fires themselves are quite common in South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory and the native flora can actually regrow quite easily in a fire damaged area.
>>46851873
They have such wide faces
>>46853064
>implying Persona 1 and 2 weren't just SMT with a story
>>46853093
No, I am implying they are SMT-lite with high school, waifus and other useless shitalthough after SMT IV there isn't really a difference now anyway
>>46853067
Yes, compared to the people in Africa who managed to actually invent fire before the 18th century they seem kind of below average instead of barely human. But no, those coming of age rituals are absolutely disgusting and anyone defending them should be forced to go through them.
As for the lack of rainfall and arid climate, that's the RESULT of a lack of rainforest/plantlife. Rainforests can keep themselves going but spreading or recovering is a different story. Coincidentally, this is also the same time period in which they hunted the australian megafauna to extinction. They were fucking terrible for the environment, and probably caused more damage over time than the British settlers have (though not for lack of trying).
>>46852787
>Their favorite hunting strategy was "burn down the forest and kill the animals as they run out", and that's responsible for Australia being a desert in the middle.
Congratulations, this is the most retarded thing I have seen all week.
>>46851276
Buncha drunk & glue-sniffing dindus hallucinating stupid shit to pretend they had a culture before real people showed up.
>>46853127
Yeah, except Africa was linked to Europe and the Middle East and was the primary focus of French, Dutch and English colonial interests.
The ones that were isolated in the jungle or whatever were just as savage as the aboriginies, if not more so
>rainforests
Rain forests would never exist in central Australia. If fires were such a problem, then how come the annual "oh fuck it's a giant bushfire" events that literally happen every year outside of south eastern Australia not turned the country into a giant desert yet?
>>46853133
https://theconversation.com/how-aboriginal-burning-changed-australias-climate-4454
Don't get me wrong, the aborigines have their positive qualities as well. They have the best eyesight in the world (20/20 vision is actually poor by their standards) and are some of the best trackers in the world. They have an incredibly good sense of direction and memory when it comes to physical landmarks and they practically never get lost.
But you're not doing anyone a favor by claiming they weren't primitive savages. They still have incredibly nasty child sexual abuse problems in their communities, along with a whole host of other disadvantages that were already pointed out earlier.
>>46853133
>burning all the trees because you're too stupid to invent farming
>no connection to 99% of straya being desert though
DINDU NUFFIN M8
>>46853126
That's Persona 3 and 4 though
>after SMT IV there isn't really a difference now anyway
Oh, so you're a nocturnebabby? SMT IV was the most faithful SMT experience since 2
>>46853182
From my understanding, European tools broke repeatedly trying to work the land in Australia, so it's no wonder that a stone age civilisation remained hunter-gatherer for millenia.
>>46853175
>The results of the experiment lead us to suggest that by burning forests in northwestern Australia, Aboriginals altered the local climate. They effectively extended the dry season and delayed the start of the monsoon season.
Great, where does it say they're responsible for the desert in the middle of Australia?
You're fucking retarded
>>46853175
You can't expect people who literally burnt down the environment that kept them alive to be proper civilized though.
>>46853197
Which is why all Europeans starved and Australia was never permanently colonized... oh wait no it wasn't, because white people aren't inbred mongoloids who just go 'can't do nuffin bout it ;^((' every time they encounter a problem.
>>46853171
Erosion takes time and if a it happens oh I don't know lets say 12 years or so if not more the environment can recover sufficiently rather than be continually be damaged before it can regrow, it's a bit like trimming a bush really, cutting it to much to often kills it
>>46853197
Most of the country can't be farmed anyway. WA is literally based on nothing but sand. It's incredibly hard to grow anything but native plants without modern technology, and buildings require extensive foundations to be installed to stay stable
Areas in Victoria and New South Wales were farmable with European tools and experience, but that wasn't really indicative of what the rest of the country was like. Good fucking luck growing anything in fucking Alice Springs or Broome
>>46852381
>Post first fleet they were ethnically cleansed.
Citation needed. The British never had an ethnic cleansing policy in place in Australia, and neither did subsequent Australian governments. Encouraging assimilation does not equal ethnic cleansing, and the general attitude of the British and Australian governments to Aboriginal culture in general was "We don't care". There certainly wasn't a concerted effort to wipe it out, except in Tasmania, which was a much smaller and more isolated case, which fits with the pattern across the country. There were cases of cultural assimilation in localized areas but it was exactly that: localized. It was never an official Federal or British government policy.
>Their children stolen to be used by the english as guides
Picture yourself as a member of an industrialized society (which you almost certainly are). You are walking along a road and see a child sitting naked in the dirt, whilst their mother squats nearby, also naked, roasting what appears to be a large rat over an open fire. Both are dirty, and the camp appears quite squalid.
Your natural reaction is revulsion, and a desire to help the child escape such unhealthy and unwholesome surroundings.
This is what is missed in the whole "stolen generations" mania. Were some child abductions motivated by racist ideas? Almost certainly yes. Were many others, indeed most, motivated by paternalistic concern for the welfare of children? Almost certainly yes.
>>46853171
>If fires were such a problem, then how come the annual "oh fuck it's a giant bushfire" events that literally happen every year outside of south eastern Australia not turned the country into a giant desert yet?
Because the aboriginies had a good 40,000 years to pull it off.
>>46853229
Except this has literally been happening almost every fucking year for hundreds of years
>>46853243
and nature's been doing the same thing for even longer
>>46853217
>teeming hordes of refugees
>Whitey goes "can't do nuffin' bout it" and either tries to build a faggy wall-fence or distributes refugee sex manuals
White people are the worst.
>>46853236
>tfw native chimps hate you so much they destroy the environment that nobody can ever use it
Why didn't we kill them all when we had the chance again?
>>46853237
>not taking your gun and doing God's work
The very conception of time would be quite different...
>>46853255
Not on the same intrnsive and systematic level as the natives.
>>46853261
tumblr get out
>>46851276
>Australian Aboriginal
>culture
>>46851276
I don't do beastman campaigns, thank you very much.
>>46853182
We've domesticated exactly 1 Australian crop: macadamia nuts. You need a couple of crops to create a food package that supports a farming population. And you can't live on just macadamia nuts.
Australia simply doesn't have native plants or animals suitable to be domesticated. It was also isolated from trade routes that might have brought them here. The closest was Indonesian fishermen in the Northern Territory and traders in the Torres Strait, but in neither case did local Aboriginals get a good look at their food production setups, and regardless, if they didn't work well in Australia's environment, they were pointless anyway.
>>46853270
Yes on the same level.
Abos did it during summer, and every summer there will inevitably be a major bushfire in the same regions of Australia, year after year.
Besides, all that article you linked mentions is north western Australia, that's hardly destroying the entirety of the Australian ecosystem
>>46851876
Don't forget sleeping on roads and getting hit by trucks.
>SJW posts muh diversity thread
>gets BTFOed within the first 3 posts
Good shit.
>>46853313
>m-muh sjw menace!
literally neck yourself
>>46853264
>anthropology
>anthro
>applying human studies to literal monkeys
This thread is why all Australians need to be banned.
>>46853175
>We showed that the climate responded significantly to reduced vegetation cover in the pre-monsoon season. We found decreases in rainfall, higher surface and ground temperatures and enhanced atmospheric stability. In other words, there was a decline in the strength of the early monsoon “phase”.
>The results of the experiment lead us to suggest that by burning forests in northwestern Australia, Aboriginals altered the local climate. They effectively extended the dry season and delayed the start of the monsoon season.
Extending the dry season in the NW =/= desertification of 40% of the continent within 40,000 years. The majority of Australia's deserts formed 1.5-3 million years ago from receding seabeds, well before any humans arrived on the continent. Aboriginies made several large areas arid for longer, but they did not magically create barren expanses of desert like people seem to think they did.
>think aussies are just racist cunts
>go to australia
>realize that 99% of 'racism' towards abbos is completely justified and that the 'stereotypes' are honestly completely accurate observations of their culture
Holy shit we need to stop pretending those things are even human.
>>46853288
>implying I linked that
More than one person here who thinks you're full of shit m8
>>46853270
I'm not disputing that Aboriginals engaged in deliberate burning in order to hunt more effectively but the idea that they were able to create the deserts that dominate the centre of Australia is completely absurd. Quite aside from the fact that you're dealing with a vast region, nearly the size of the continental United States, the Aboriginals weren't a desert people; they were overwhelmingly concentrated in coastal regions, where food and water was most abundant. Population density in the central deserts was always low; we only think of them as desert dwellers because that's where we pushed them to when we took over the coastal lands we wanted.
>>46853352
You've clearly never met abbos.
Seriously, everything aussies say about them is completely 100% true. They are awful savages, and their only purpose in life is collecting benefits and huffing gas. This isn't an exaggeration, this isn't 'hurr durr stereotypes' THIS IS SERIOUSLY ALL THESE "PEOPLE" DO!
>>46853364
>boo hoo evil whitey took our land
Found the abbo. How about you get off that gas high and try again when you're sober?
>>46853362
well that's the topic of conversation the only evidence that's been given that says that abos altered the Australian climate
If you're telling the truth and your argument is entirely unfounded, then you're even more retarded than the other guy
>2016
>still not politically correct to put abbos in the zoo where they belong
I SHIGGY DIGGY
>>46853378
So you're saying that we didn't occupy land that the Aboriginals had previously been living on?
Man, those early settlers must have been smoking some weird shit when they saw all those black guys around their settlements.
>>46853374
That's more of a symptom of their socio-economic position than reflective of their race. A lot of abos who got pulled out and placed in areas like New Norcia ended up quite well educated and went on to have proper jobs and the like. The rest were on the very bottom of the social hierarchy and have stayed there. You get white guys living in the same squalor as aboriginals, because they've also been raised in that same position and have never known anything else.
It's not a racial issue, it's a class issue.
>>46853400
There's not a square centimeter of populated land on the planet earth that wasn't conquered, reconquered, and built on bloodshed. Get over it tumblrina.
>>46853271
Anon, tumblr is the Refugee sex manual faction. It's just another form of Whitey inadequacy. Neo-Isolationism and Liberal Multiculturalism are both systems doomed to fail. Whitey needs to step his game up and civilize some nerds.
>>46853400
>land on coasts
>native ooga boogas come out of their settlements to maim and kill new arrivals
>get btfo'd
>go back to desert where they hang out normally
>>46853378
>implying they didn't
it's literally a legal fact at this point.
Under international law, Australia's colonisation was an invasion since the rejection of terra nullius. Say what you will about Australia now, but colonisation was a legitimate invasion by the british
>>46853175
the good eyesight is a result of a lack of education. sounds weird but its true. looking at things rigth in front of you for you whole childhood is bad for your eyes (growing up doing school work). there is a strong correlation between time spend learning and being near sighted.
>>46853374
They'll get banned too, because they're Australian.
>>46853433
You do know that you need a human population to conquer for it to count as an invasion, not a bunch of apes shitting in the sand?
>>46853442
>implying abbos know what a computer even is
>>46853416
You're seeing SJWs where none fucking exist. I said that Aboriginals used to live mainly on the coast until white settlement, when towns and farmland were established in coastal regions because these were the best regions to do so, being close to sea transportation, better farmland, water supplies etc. Now what part of that is me making any kind of statement about what was right or wrong, or for that matter anything that would make you think that I'm a tumblerina? I'm not disputing that land was fought over, I'm not saying that the British conquest, settlement, or whatever the fuck we want to call it was right, wrong, neutral or otherwise. I stated a historical fact.
>>46853446
>le abos are apes XD XD
>>46853456
>p-please anon d-don't call me a t-tumblrina
Triggered?
>>46853237
That is fucking bullshit on both counts. Encouraging assimilation by abducting children and brutally forcing them to abandon their ancestral cultured for their own while systematically killing, disenfranchising and exploiting the adults is almost the definition of ethnic cleansing - ethnicity is about a lot more than just skin colour.
If you think colonial responses to indigenous populations ever had paternalistic intentions you're naive. It was all about money - to take the land you had to destroy the culture living on it.
>>46853461
Well they sure ain't people.
>>46853433
under modern international law, at the time of colonization it was perfectly legal and did not constitute an invasion, which actually means it remains a legal settlement.
>>46851775
>assuming humanity wouldn't be wiped out in an instant
muh realism
Australians are fucking cancer jesus christ.
>>46852787
>Aboriginals turned Australia into a desert
hahahahahha point and laugh children, point and laugh. Not sure how a people who had only invented stick were supposed to change the climate of a country that regularly has forest fires. What pseudo-science have you been reading?
>>46853482
at the time, since it was declared terra nullius because Cook hadn't seen evidence that the abos actually claimed ownership of the land at that point
>>46853509
the argument was that they didn't have any semblance of a system of ownership so therefore they did not own the land
>>46853517
Yes, that's what I said
>>46853503
abbos aren't Australians though
>>46853521
Fuck I misread, sorry friendo
How is this /tg/ related
>>46853536
Well, OP tried to have a thread about something /tg/ related, but Australians are online, so not a whole lot anymore, I'm afraid.
>>46853473
>It was all about money - to take the land you had to destroy the culture living on it.
What? That might be true if you were seeking to use the population as a labour force, and not predominately settle the land yourself, but as the settlement of North America shows, you don't need to destroy culture to take the land; you just take it using superiour military force. Exactly the same as Australia. They just pushed the natives into lands the settlers didn't want and populated it with Europeans.
>systematically killing, disenfranchising and exploiting the adults
There wasn't systematic killing. There were local raids, by military and civilian forces, usually in response to a provocation or perceived provocation by Aboriginals. If there really had been a systematic killing system in place, there'd have been hardly any indigenous people left by the time they stopped. Exploiting I'll grant you was happening, with state governments controlling finances, but that was pure paternalism. Disenfranchisement happened too, no question there. That's not ethnic cleansing though.
>ethnicity is about a lot more than just skin colour.
Sure. But ethnic cleansing is a very charged term, which brings to mind the massacres in the Balkans, the Holocaust and the Soviet starvation of Ukraine. Throwing it around is the same as feminists calling everything rape. White settlers did plenty of bad things to the Aboriginals, but ethnic cleansing? Nah.
>>46853536
It started about setting ideas that can be taken from Aboriginal myth.
But like a similar thread about Africa last week, the race ´discussion´ began.
>>46853536
Australians have a habit of destroying anything potentially the slightest bit useful, hence their ancient communications, infrastructure networks and imploding resources industry.
>>46853578
>Australians
You mean Aus/pol/s? obviously
>>46853645
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
>>46851276
Aussie here. I'll save the politics for later and just work with the OP question, keeping it general so it works in both Sci-fi and Fantasy. Take your pick.
A great spiritual empire comprised of many smaller clans, belief based solely around the land/space they inhabit and their connection to it. Then there's the arrival of a technological race that completely surpasses them and takes control of their land/space. They're either subjugated, relocated or assimilated into the other culture, but the whole event is considered "over" and other culture is indifferent about it now.
You and your people experience signs pointing towards a forgotten paradise/prophesy that only your people understand, and thus you begin your journey to the unknown destination.
You play as either assimilated, isolated or subjugated member of that race and have bonuses/restrictions based on this.
ie.
- Assimilated: has social standing, access to transport network, knowledge of other culture, etc, but following signs is seen as odd or deviant. You have little spiritual knowledge and can possibly be led astray, your race barely recognises you either.
- Isolated: means you were never in contact with other civilisation and retain the old knowledge. You can read the signs well but have a harder time negotiating the world around you. The Gods Must be Crazy kinda hard.
- Subjugated is hard mode. You're on the run, you have little spiritual knowledge, but you're tough so you can roll with the punches.
Even harder mode, you are the elder of a clan and have to lead all your members to the promised land, Banner Saga style. Not a bad idea all up honestly.
>>46854629
- Realistic: you huff gas all day and die in a car crash. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
>>46854629
Flesh out the other civilisation with some colonial art & themes, make them far more numerous and much more heavily armed to the point where shooting your way through can't be counted on to make it through. Add in a deadline to up the ante, and you've got a race on your hands.
>>46854770
No.
Would you plan a campaign based on Picnic at Hanging Rock /tg/?What if a highly sexually charged campaign?
>>46855027
>picnic at hanging rock manga
wowee
More interestingly, how do we make a fantasy setting from the culture of modern Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
Shitposting and Beer
>>46855096
The Castle, but medieval
It could literally be focused on a castle and everything
>>46855067
Beware though, it's hentaiThey all grow dicks due to aboriginal dreamtime magicExcept for the little trap who grows a vagina
>>46853416
> Fighting over northern Nunavut
Literally why
>>46855161
Bloody Japs. That's fucked mate.
>>46852486
We have this thread once a month
But it has never been as /pol/ as today
>>46855506
Fun fact though, the Inuit aren't the original inhabitants. They showed up around 1000 AD, and completely wiped out the native population, who had never invented the bow.
![254_1b[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/fD57JAU.gif "254_1b[1].gif")
>>46856026
The poor old Dorset got well and truly boned.
Thule legends speak of them as gentle giants, but there's no genetic relation between them and modern populations, so it's unlikely things ended well when the Thule arrived.
>>46856026
Again, why? It's Nunavut.
I mean I get fighting to LEAVE Nunavut...
>>46853617
They have become the abbos.
>>46855027
>>46855161
That's amazing.
Somebody fucking explain the concept of Dreamtime and Dreaming because I can't wrap my head around this Hyper Michael Kirkbride shit.
Goddamn, I don't care what modern aboriginals do or don't do, the point of this thread was a setting based on their mythology. Fucking /pol/ should keep their bullshit on their own board.
>>46857064
Due to changing climate between 1000 and 1400 the Inuit were able to expand the fuck out of their territory and take over areas where people were struggling to live.
It's also likely some members of the Greenland Viking colony interbred with Inuit when the colony failed.
