Angels of Death edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN FORTIFIED!
>check on ebay for the Imperial Space Marine
>nothing under 50 buckaroos
huehuhuhuehuehuhuhue
What's everyone's opinion on the theory that the Emperor is actually female?
>>46846993
impossible considering the emperor was a great scientist
If I add Uriah Jacobus to a repentia squad, they lose fleet, correct?
>>46846882
>>46846882
Hey it's you, the one who abandoned the Emperor to die. How's life going. Is cowardice worth it?
How are you enjoying the 3 last years of your game fellow wargamers ?
>>46847316
How are you enjoying the only 3 years it's existed?
>>46847191
>who is Marie Curie
>>46847281
Did you just confuse an IF successor with the Ultramarines?
>>46846993
unlikely given that GW is trying to market heavily to teen boys who would feel uncomfortable playing with female models
I mean really, people sperg out when someone roleplays a female character in PF or D&D, so much so that my sister who spends 10 hours a week on PF, now only plays male characters.
>>46847316
I started the hobby almsot two years ago and once I found my FLGS and stopped playing at GW (which I have been at my FLGS for ~8months) it has been fantastic. I never really played at the GW but just enough to realize it was terrible by comparison. Just had a game tonight that came down to the Turn 6 (one turn passed the end when you have to start rolling to continue). It was my first time against GK and a Knight (FW variant at that). A fantastic match.
He used those new psychic powers and had a Deathstar that was durable and heavy hitting but by turn three or four I had moved most of my army away from it and took out the knight (knight was on four forsure).
He had some crazy Heresy FW model that scored a bunch of points but thank god I got that extra turn because otherwise he wouldve ended the game with a tie.
>>46847494
Implying Dorn wasn't the coward who ran scared to the wrong side of the flagship.
>>46847562
>implying the Blood Angels could even try to stop Chaos United by themselves
>>46846993
The Emperor is an Old One, who were sexless. Wake up people! He clearly lived beneath the Earth's surface until he knew his time had come!
Although more seriously, the Emperor is probably an Old One. His own explanation of his existence is stupid, as any species could have replicated it easily but none of them ever tried. There were how many thousands of Xeno species that never came up with merging their psykers, including humans a second time?
But if he is an Old One, it makes sense that his psyker powers are so amazing, that he knows so much about biological engineering, and that his genetics made the primarchs so inhuman.
Where's the anon that wrote this?
Any plans on fixing the other models?
See: possessed, terminators, chosen, oblits, warp talons, cult troops
Anyone else excited to see Imperial Knights become more common?
![Your+wish+is+granted+_4c62807d372df335b018a60573ee0724[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Wvf4kzu.gif "Your+wish+is+granted+_4c62807d372df335b018a60573ee0724[1].gif")
>>46847671
I bought the set to go with my Iron warriors + Renegade army
>>46847650
Maybe the shaman-merging required a level of calmness in the warp which hasn't been seen since. It's canon that warp travel/being a psyker used to be a lot less dangerous. Perhaps anyone who tried the same thing now would just end up all "no john u r the demons."
If he was an Old One he probably wouldn't have told the Eldar to fuck off prior to the Heresy and would have been less of a retard about pretty much everything. That's how you can tell he is certainly human: he fucking sucked at making good decisions.
I can't choose my Chaos God. I like all of them, but Chaos Undivided seems to lack focus and rules, compared to specialising.
Roll 1d4 to see which God I pick.
1: Nurgle
2: Tzeentch
3: Khorne
4: Slaanesh
>>46847474
literally who?
>>46847671
If I had the money I'd start a Chaos army with a Knight or two, assuming the meta shifts so it's more reasonable to do so. Unfortunately none of the warbands I like are likely to have access to one in fluff.
>>46847759
>Roll 1d4 to...
Fuck you and enjoy playing khorne.
>>46847710
I've wanted them for a while, but when I started buying models, they had the 6e codex and were out of my price range
Now, I've been jumping foot first into the house creation tables, in anticipation for the Renegade box
>>46847759
Malal
>>46847763
The inventor of radiation you dipshit
>>46847785
What do you want, me to make a poll or ask for it to only count on dubs or a certain number?
>>46847775
Then make your own Warband, and give them one
Or get them and make them a Chaos Knight Warband
>>46847611
>>46847759
Pick Nurgle. Do it of your own free will, so Papa Nurgle doesn't get offended.
Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life. Nurgle is inevitable.
>>46847752
The Old Ones made the Krork and Chaos, I cannot imagine a more fucked up series of decisions than the ones they made.
Also it would explain his policy towards Chaos, as he lived before daemons and underestimated the level of integration into the universe they had made.
Also the Eldar and Ork gods are clearly old ones who live in the warp.
>>46847828
You don't go to the Iron Cage to win
Dorn invented the Pain Glove
The Iron Cage was a Pain Glove for his entire Legion
>>46847759
Tzeentch
>JUST AS PLANNED
>>46847846
Dorn is a bottle of sassy sauce.
>>46847820
>Then make your own Warband, and give them one
I already made up my own special snowflake army for my current force, if I'm going to do another one I'd like to do a stock faction. I wonder if it's feasible that the Red Corsairs would pick up a renegade Knight somewhere, since they have a pretty open recruitment policy.
How's this for a Marines detachment to my main force (Inquisition/Scions)? Painted like Exorcists so I can run any Chapter Tacs I want :) (could use recommendations for that actually)
HQ - 3 Librarians - 210
Storm Bolters
Librarius Conclave
FAST ATTACK - Bike Squad - 93
2x Gravgun
TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun Sarge
Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun sarge
>>46847867
Red Corsairs would totally jack some Knights
They're kinda like Orks, if it's awesome, they'll take it
>>46847785
>>46847860
>>46847832
One for Khorne, one for Nurgle, one for Tzeentch.
Fuck it.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10022787
Which?
>>46846993
There is no 'theory the emperor is actually female'. A few fat virgins posting it doesnt make it a thing.
>>46846949
>mfw i got in on the immediate hype bubble and sold 3 for $70 each
>>46847884
storm bolters are not worth the points ever
get combi-weapons or extra psychic levels
>>46847961
>storm bolters are not worth the points ever
storm bolters on acolytes are sweet
>>46847759
It matters not who you pick, your choice is the decision of Tzeentch anyways.
>>46847895
Good point. Here's hoping people start buying the new Knights game to split it on ebay as individual models, lel.I like the Forgeworld one as well but it's $210 maple syrup monopoly monies on its own, so that pretty much rules it out...
>>46847805
>>inventor
That's not how it works
>>46847759
>I can't choose my Chaos God.
this is literally what chaos undecided is for
>I like all of them
so use all of them
>but Chaos Undivided seems to lack focus
it's a perfect fit for you
>>46847752
>Perhaps anyone who tried the same thing now would just end up all "no john u r the demons."
Ephrael Stern is the same as the Emperor, a thousand souls fused into one, and funnily enough she also works the same as the perpetuals BL added to the HH (When she dies she just comes back to life, essentially immortal). So my guess is that the process that created the Emperor was tried several times later creating a bunch of perpetuals yet none of them are the New Man, none were succesful only to stave off their real death.
Is there anything preventing me from doing this electroswap stuff with a unit disembarking from a Drop Pod?
>>46847810
NO WHAT I WANT IS YOU TO PLEDGE YOUR SOUL TO THE EIGHTFOLD PATH AND SLAY EVERYTHING IN THE NAME OF OUR GORE HUNGRY GOD!
THE MOST SENCERE AND TRUE OF THE PATHS WERE YOUR MIGHT WILL TRULY REWARD YOU, WERE THE STRENGTH OF YOUR ARMS AND THE EDGE OF YOUR AXE WILL CARRY YOU TO ETERNAL GLORY BEFORE OUR GOD OF DEBAUCHERY!
>>46847901
So far Slaanesh is winning. Khorne has 0.
Is Khorne objectively the worst?
>>46848003
Cheeky.
Remember that the Red Hunters cannot take any named characters at all due to having their own chapter tactics.
Also, By This Seal was a stupid rule, and is now obsolete.
>>46847961
Alright, good to know. How much use would I actually get out of combi weapons or pistols? Is it more cost effective to give them the extra mastery level or more guns?
>>46847981
And they get them for a mere 3 points, which is nice. Lots of cheap lead going downrange.
>>46848029
You can take this guy, he has no chapter tactics therefore you can use him as a template for your own special character of the chapter of your choosing. Im making a Black Templar castellan for this guy.
>>46848010
lol
>>46848027
>Is Khorne objectively the worst?
No, Slaanesh is. Everyone voting Slaanesh is doing so to punish you for leaving this up to a collective vote. :^)
>>46848014
She seems a lot smarter than the Emperor tbqh.
>Realize you've got super powers
>Proceed immediately to the Black Library to start fucking Chaos up
>>46848082
False, Silas Alberec has whatever chapter tactics the Exprcists have, and is an Exorcists only character.
>>46848027
Khorne's just the most boring. Everyone's probably voting Slaanesh since Slaanesh is the god of sex, drugs, rock n' roll, obesity, sloth, and general decadence/degeneracy.
And sadomasochism.
>>46848168
Probably because Khorne is represented in pretty much everything as the default Chaos god because it doesn't take much effort to make BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD the big bad evil.
>>46848168
Yeah. Khorne is the most vanilla Chaos god. It's just Red and Fighting. You can get that by playing literally any army that's Red.
>>46848027
I got a protip for you
>Forget the Chaos Gods
>Go Eldar
>Worship Cegorach
>Buy Harlequins
>????
>Profit
>>46848082
Mate, you do realize that he does have chapter tactics, and is listed as an Exorcists' character?
Now if you've painted your army in Exorcists colors and are using BT chapter tactics, then you're all good, but other than that, you're out of luck, mate.
Same goes for the Red Hunters. No named characters for them.
>>46847759
Where's Nuffle?
How long until Chaos Space Marines are back in stock?
>>46848014
>>46848014
Well, that is a little better, but it still begs the question why the Imperium isn't making them left and right. Sacrificing people to keep a zombie alive is fine, and here we get mini-primarchs.
>>46847884
^this anon here. Here's the full 1850 list. Pls to C&C kthx
PRIMARY DETACHMENT - INQUISITION
HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor - 87
Power Armor
Hellrifle
Daemonblade
Psyker (ML 1)
Empyrean Brain Mines
3x Servo Skulls
HQ - Ordo Xenos Inquisitor - 70 WARLORD
Conversion Beamer
3x Servo Skulls
ELITES 1 - 174
7x Crusader
2x Death Cult Assassin
1x Eviscerator Priest w/ PP
2x Acolytes Power Armor Plasma Guns
Dedicated Transport - Valkyrie - 135
Lascannon
Heavy Bolters
Dedicated Transport - Chimera - 65
Storm Bolter
Psybolt Ammunition
2x Heavy Bolters
Elites 2 - 183
2x Jokaero Weaponsmith
1x Psyker
7x Acolytes w/ Storm Bolters
3x Acolytes w/ Carapace and Plasma Guns
Elites 3 -
3x Acolytes Melta Guns
INQUISITORIAL DETACHMENT
Elites 1, 2, 3 - 126
9x Acolytes Melta Guns
Dedicated Transport - Valkyrie - 135
Lascannon
Heavy Bolters
ALLIED DETACHMENT - SPACE MARINES EXORCISTS
HQ - 3 Librarians - 285
Mastery Level 2
Librarius Conclave
Storm Bolters
FAST ATTACK - Bike Squad - 93
2x Gravgun
TROOPS - Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun Sarge
Tactical Squad - 85
1x Plasma Gun
1x Boltgun sarge
ALLIED DETACHMENT - MILITARUM TEMPESTUS
HQ - Command Squad - 140
4x Melta Guns
1x Plasma Pistol
TROOPS - Scions - 175
2x Plasma Guns
1x Plasma Pistol
+5 Scions
1847/1850
>>46848398
The Imperium in all likelihood probably doesn't remember how
Yeah, maybe they seem to be doing everything wrong, but they're running off some guys memory of a scrap of paper that used to be in a library that may or may not actually be important
They're doing the best they can, and losing
The IG could do better but everyone else is trying
>>46848431
woops, those 2 valks don't have Heavy Bolters.
>>46848354
Nuffle Marines?
>>46848431
Would be a lot fluffier with Red Hunters instead of Exorcists, though both do work with the Inquisistion.
What chapter tactics are you going for on your Exorcists?
>>46848431
>2x Plasma Guns
>1x Plasma Pistol
I hope you realize that scions can never hold plasma guns properly and must always pose for a photo with thim
also I would not buy the extra 5 scions, or use the points on a second squad instead. Scions can take two weapons regardless of size if I recall
>>46848496
I already modeled all those scions with lasguns, so woops. Might be able to finnagle something and make it look like they have volley guns. I'll think about it.
>>46848484
Not certain yet. Maybe white scars for the bikes?
>>46848546
or buy another box, some special weapon bits off ebay, and field three squads with two special weapons each
>>46848496
>he doesn't wanna slay the enemy of man while looking good
Am I the only one who would have preferred the Exorcists getting their own unique chapter tactics?
Seriously, these guys bind dæmons to themselves, and then forcefully exorcize them using only their own willpower, making them invisible to them.
Seriously, some sort of bonus against dæmons, and then if not fighting them/chaos, some other bonus, or even just that as an extra bonus alongside some other chapter tactics.
I mean, look at their named character, this primarch hueg guy who's better at slaying dæmons then Kaldor Sue.
>>46848735
Are you telling me that theyre just Human Harlequins?
>>46847474
The fact that she is the go-to famous female scientist that is the only one people can reference, and whose contributions aren't nearly as great as the many male scientists proves females are inferior at science, and most things compared to men. Even their outliers like Curie are inferior to male outliers. It's why fields like technology, science, and mathematics are dominated by men, and why athletics is segregated by sex.
Women are the inferior gender at most worthwhile pursuits.
>>46848761
No, they're reasonable andcoolerGrey Knights.
Have a look for yourself.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Exorcists
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Exorcists
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exorcists
>>46848792
I came here to have a good time, and we just went 0 to 100 real quick
I don't know why you hate women, and I frankly don't care, I want to talk about 40k, not whatever the fuck you're on about
>>46848735
Both the 13th founding chapters should have unique tactics. To me the Death Spectres' fluff doesn't seem to fit just using Raven Guard tactics, which is what I assume you are supposed to do, and they even got their own decal kit from GW so it's not like they're completely forgotten.
But Exorcists are pretty unique and should definitely have their own.
>>46848840
They might be afraid of supplanting Grey Knights since they're just cooler versions of them.
>>46848840
>>46848847
Shoot, they're even listed as possibly Grey Knights successors as well, and officially it's been hidden by the Inquisition.
Seriously, FW, why didn't you give them cool chapter tactics.
I liked it a lot better when grey knights were a special chapter that bent the rules - the best and most elite warriors against the worst and most dangerous nightmares the warp has to offer. The Grey Knights were in a perpetual desperate battle and only barely ahead of the enemy; a single false step could spell disaster for humanity
now they are just boring supermen who are perfect in every way
>>46848938
The Deathwatch are still cool though
>>46848735
This nigga looks like he's working with the word barers
>>46848971
oh yeah and the new deathwatch models are awesome, great variety and character
it's just a damn shame what happened to the grey knights
>>46849032
I'm more upset about what that did to Mortarion
>>46848818
Wait a minute.
Both these guys and the Red Hunters work for the Inquisition.
These guys are far cooler, and have their own named character as well, but no unique chapter tactics/technically any chapter tactics.Our Spiritual Liege is actually of the Exorcists. So is every other important character. Pedro, the High Marshal, etc. Who ISN'T an Exorcist?
The Red Hunters have chapter tactics, and cool fluff. But they cannot take any named characters, because they have chapter tactics. And one of their chapter tactic rules is now obsolete, due to all Imperium armies now being battle brothers.
>chapters that need more fluff about
Carcharodons
>>46848881
I have a feeling they didn't want to do anything definite with them in case the main studio did at some point.
>>46849054
>>46849032
>>46848938
I also kind of wish PAGK were ok as troops, but to be fair, they were never good except for clearing away guardsmen (bolters bypass flak, and ye olde nemesis force weapons were +2S so they could double out the guard in assault)
>>46849110
>GW decides to give sharkboys more fluff
>Their chapter serfs are all sharkgirl abhumans
yfw?
>>46849133
>>GW decides to give sharkboys more fluff
Good
>>Their chapter serfs are all sharkgirl abhumans
That's completely retarded
>>46849133
I just want a Tyberos, The Red Wake model, and all of their rules and fluff are fucking righteous
Just watch, GW is gonna make them long lost World Eaters successors, and they all have the nails just to ruin them
>>46849142
That's why you don't want GW to give them more fluff
If it's already good, you've been lucky
>>46848840
Reading their combat doctrine on 40kwikia, it feels like they should have FnP, some sort of bonus to represent their hexogram wards, and something regarding their massive chaos/dæmon lore, since their knowledge on them is rivalled only be the Inquisition and the Grey Knights.
>>46849171
>long lost World Eaters successors
Their gene-seed has been linked to the Raven Guard in the fluff
>>46849189
I say it's completely retarded because GW wouldn't make space marines be sharkgirl abhumans, that's retarded even for GW's standards
If they have any
>>46849133
>Their chapter serfs are all sharkgirl abhumans
>their top half is a shark
>>46849171
>I just want a Tyberos, The Red Wake model
they have one already on FW
>Just watch, GW is gonna make them long lost World Eaters successors, and they all have the nails just to ruin them
they are already confirmed to be a raven guard predation fleet
Can a Heldrake still shoot behind itself with the Torrent weapon?
>>46849171
Even if they were World Eaters successors, there'd be no reason for them to have Nails in them. It's not related to the geneseed at all.
>>46849110
Scythes of the emperor for sure. Cool scheme, awesome symbols, interesting ultramarines successors and they got on some box art.
As for fluff they've been fucked by tyranids really badly, lost their world and nearly the entire chapter including the chapter master. It would be sweet if they got a short book series about their escape from the nids and their rebuilding because it sounds like a pretty mental story and I'd like it if they had some hope for the future.
>>46849236
sort of? the template can be rotated a max of 90 degrees perpendicular to the 12" line from the muzzle, so if the firing arc is wide enough, it can technically shoot behind it.
>>46849234
>already have one on Forge World
Excuse me as I make some purchases I definitely shouldn't
>>46849236
>>46849277
No.
Afaik, it's a 45 degree arc in front of the heldrake's gun.
>>46849110
I hope Phil Kelly, Matt Ward, and Tom Kirby join forces to write for you.
>>46849307
>tfw I want to get him and use him as a character in my army
>>46849322
>TFW Terminator characters are garbage
>>46849322
>Worst Part is I play Cult Mechanicus/Skitarii
>I Have no use for him besides looking pretty
>>46849217
>FnP
>Hatred: Daemons
>Can reroll when choosing from Sanctic
or something?
>>46849307
kek, you didnt know?
hes been out for like 6 years
>>46849375
I don't look at much on Forge World, as it tends to be more expensive versions of stuff I already have or stuff I actually like the less expensive original so I don't feel the need to get it
>>46847316
>this shall be the year that 40k dies
>>46847316
Enjoying it quite a bit. My Necrons have grown to a considerable size and continue every day, though I do more buying and building than I do painting sometimes. My Daemons lay to the wayside because I really don't like that playstyle and will probably sell them off for something like... Space Marines perhaps, or Nurgle CSM.
I'm having lots of fun playing 40k right now. It's not a perfect game, but it's a fun one as long as you play with decent people. And really, what more can you ask for?
>>46849310
in that case the most behind it could get is 1" 45 degrees away then 90 degrees to the right of left, but unless you are under the heldrake's wings that isn't going to hit you
>>46849133
As long as my chapter gets more content.
>>46849233
My dick is now sharks.
>>46848735
>these guys bind dæmons to themselves, and then forcefully exorcize them using only their own willpower
Whatever happened to the Illuminati anyways? Squatted with the sensei?
>>46847257
Unless he also has it, yes.
>>46849110
Man, I never really paid much attention to these guys before but they're actually pretty cool. Adding them to the "Chapters that aren't completely fucking stupid and derivative" shortlist in case I ever decide to start up some SM.It probably helps that I have an intense fear of sharks, so they seem spooky in a way loyalists usually don't
>>46848082
If the dragonslayer were a mace...
>>46849706
>Adding them to the "Chapters that aren't completely fucking stupid
>space sharks
kek
>>46849739
>t. losers of the Badab War
>>46849110
I think they have more than enough fluff. They just need more appearances. They have Badab War and that's it. Every other appearance is a short one paragraph blurb from IA2 shared with many other chapters for Pentarch of Blood or were things found in the Badab books to describe their background. They have no real campaign info other than Badab.
But this is the same for all Badab only chapters. Minotaurs got their own IA, Red Scorps are a pet FW chapter with many IAs and campaigns, and the other chapters are featured GW ones like RG, Salamanders, etc.
>>46849739
They're not literally sharks though. Using shark imagery and being raging dicks is less dumb than a lot of other chapters.
>>46849780
>They're not literally sharks though.
>have shark teeth and the whole pale/solid black eyes (like all raven guard)
>eat people
>tribal tattoos
>>46849780
RT Space Sharks were pretty goofy but still not full shark mode like SW are full wolf mode.
People say the new Space Sharks are retarded and too grimdark but they're basically tribal marines with tattoos and some shark teeth/bone imagery. They're the Maori/New Guinea/whatever islander marines, done in FW style.
/tg/ has made much more stupid and corny marines, like those Aztec jaguars that are literally swinging around obsidian Aztec swords and wearing leopard print power armor.
I'd like to see some yar har har pirate marines or nautical themed chapters. Without going full DE/CSM pirate mode or full retard Star Kraken with scuba helmets.
>>46849794
>the ocean is filled with man-eating, tattooed Raven Guard
Almost as terrifying as literal sharks waddling around in power armor.
Seeing some non Roman/gothic legions is cool though. Tattooed RG pls
>>46849799
Do you really need to have an entire company of rogue traders?
>>46849832
Yes. With naval cannons.
>>46849794
Yes, which is still not literally sharks. Like the other anon said, SW are closer to actually being wolves than they are. Plus it makes sense that a Reaver of the Outerdark sort of chapter would be isolationist, crazy, and intentionally terrifying.
>>46849819
theyre basically just edgelord marines FW made up to try to sell mk V, it didnt work, because mk V is fuckugly.
>>46849870
Why is he killing loyalists?
>>46849880
>theyre basically just edgelord marines FW made up to try to sell mk V
You're not wrong, but they're also the pet chapter of one of the major sculptors so there's that too. That Mk V thing is so on the mark though.Even though it's grown on me. It looks even better when you replace the head with other helmets.
>>46847562
>>46847611
Dude, don't even start this. I play Blood Angels, and the Fists are bros. Not gonna talk smack about battle brothers- save it for the heretics.
>>46849907
The Mantis Warriors were tricked into siding with the seccessionists in the Badab War. Mantis Warriors weren't loyalists during that campaign.
When they found out they were on the wrong side, they retreated and hid in their own territory to prevent bloodshed and not have to fight the "good guys" but the sharks started murdering their refugees and civilians that were hiding them to draw them out.
>>46849880
>mk V is fuckugly
you take that back
>>46849880
>>46849941
Only one thing to do now
Quick, rate all the Marks of power armor from best to worst.
>>46849907
The Mantis Warriors fought on the wrong side of the Badab secession.
To be fair the Mantis Warriors basically deserved it, the only chapter that made sense siding with the Astral Claws were the Executioners since they owed them a blood debt for saving their shit from the 'nids (iirc) way before then.
>>46849966
Tiger Claws too. Or I guess those guys are Astral Claws technically.
>>46849941
its a shit and you know it.
>>46849958
1. Mark 3
2. Mark 2
3. Mark 4
4. Mark 6
5. Mark 7
6. Mark 8
literally not even available tier : mark 1/thunder warriors
9001. mark 5
you know im right
>>46850001
>ranks mark 6 fourth
>says mark 5 is bad
>>46849958
Newfag's Ranking:
S Tier: Mk 4, Mk 7, Mk 8, Mk 6
C Tier: Mk 3
F Tier: Mk 2, Mk 5, Thunder Warrior
You're Getting There Ranking:
S Tier: Mk 3, Mk 4, Mk 6
A Tier: Mk 8
C Tier: Mk 7, Mk 2, Mk 5
F Tier: Thunder Warrior
Scholar of Refined Taste Rankings:
S Tier: Mk 2, Mk 5
A Tier: Mk 3, Mk 6
C Tier: Mk 7, Mk 8, Mk 4
F Tier: Thunder Warrior
THUNDERCATS HOOOOOOOOOO Ranking:
S Tier: Thunder Warrior, Custodes
F Tier: All those other plebs
>4chan ate my long ass ranking post
Fuck you.
>>46850016
>hating on the old school cool beakie boys
dont make me get the beakie bullies after you
>>46850016
>>46850093
>5fags arguing with 6fags
Nigger your armor is practically identical. Tubes and studs everywhere. You're both the studded and cabled faggots of the armors.
>>46850106
but im mk3 masterrace u dum dum :^)
mk6 is better than mk5, and its not close
>loyalists actually debate about how pretty their armor is and which looks the best
i would say this a disappoint to the emperor but we all know he loved having pretty armor and amazing hair. must be nice not living in hell and having the free time to do that. fun fact, he really only used his telekinetic power to make his hair flow 24/7
>>46850068
>doesn't ctrl + c post before hitting "Post" just to make sure you don't lose it when shit fucks up
It's ok, I used to be a retard too. And back in the day 4chan was even worse at fucking your posts into the aether.
>>46850106
>Mk6
>not the most advanced mk if them all
Let me guess mk2 fag?
>>46850125
>needing the advanced sensors and upgraded armor and cooling of mk 6 over mk 5
>needing the extra armor plating of mk 3 instead of just breaching fuckers while wearing your trusty mk 2
GET GUD SCRUB CRUTCH HARDER GG NO RE I FUCKED UR MUM AND PRIMARCH
>>46850138
What if I told you both 5 and 6 are better than 2.
>>46849958
>MkIV before HH, after Red Scorpions
>"Only a pleb would hate the MkIV, the best Marine armour ever."
>MkIV before BaC, after HH
>"It's the best, but I like MkII/III more."
>MkIV after BaC
>"Babby's first legion tier."
If you don't like Mk VII you're just a crotchety oldfag 30k elitist. It's the white boy of power armor marks, and I know you're not all self-loathing jive turkeys.
>>46850138
Pffft. Most advanced at getting penetrated by stub guns maybe.
>>46850166
Imperial fucking Knights would rather use stub guns for their shoulder weapon than bolters/lascannons/meltas/plasma/heavy bolters.
>>46850164
People used to be like this for Mk VIII. Hype sort of just died out of nowhere though. Probably due to 30k.
>>46850178
Imperial fucking knights don't get the option of using bolters as they're not within the emperors holy trinity of armies. The space marines, the sisters of battle and the imperial guard. That's why they and the cogboys have to deal with 38000 year old technology.
>>46850178
Because that's all they need to kill Mk6s.
>>46850158
I would believe you because mk2 is basically hobos out of favour from the mechanicus armour.
>>46850178
>would rather use
you make it sound like they have an option or opinion on the matter
>>46850213
I truly hope you mean MkVI, because otherwise you might be suffering from a form of brain damage.
>>46850215
>Mechanicus uses stubbers
>not actively hoarding and using the best shit for themselves
I hate AdMechfags but even I chuckled at that. If it weren't for the Emperor, Marines wouldn't even have Land Raiders, they'd be AdMech only.
>>46850144
>not being as metal as possible
pfft i bet 72% of your body isnt even metal, fag
>>46850093
I love the Mark 6 though, i hate him for hating both the Mark 6 and Mark 5
>>46850246
>he doesn't recall the collar hype
Both the sergeant mk 8 torso and the mk 6 beaky head and studded pauldron were the most sought after and valuable parts from the pre 6E plastic tactical box. Nobody had mk 8 chest pieces just laying around. People certainly had beaky heads lying around though.
>>46850257
>sucking so hard he has to upgrade his body with bionics
Ferrus foresaw this, and tried to warn us.
>>46850268
I have several old Mk8 torsos lying around, but all my Mk6 pieces were welcomed by people just fine.
Problem with Mk8 is that all you had was the torso. You couldn't get legs, helmets, arms, etc. for it. Mk6 legs, torsos, helmets, pauldrons, etc. were much easier to get and beakies were THE space marine of the old days, so all the wannabe longbeards wanted at least a unit of them.
>>46850278
pfft maybe if he had a fucking metal neck he would have been killed by his homofriend
pfft maybe if his flesh wasnt weak he wouldnt have been friends with a homo to start with
smashfucker is true iron hands, true primarch.
What are the must haves for a good blood angels list?
>>46850306
>TFW Smashfucker is now second to Darnath Lysander
>>46850306
>pfft maybe if he had a fucking metal neck
LAUGHTER COGITATORS ENGAGING
>>46850333
Drop Pods, Scouts, Librarians, allies.
>>46848792
Jesus fuck.
Pack up your fedora and piss off.
I'm not even a feminist and I think you sound like a bitch.
>>46850301
>You couldn't get legs, helmets, arms, etc. for it
Just build an entire army of Lord Executioners.
>>46850333
Sanguinary Priest is a must, my buddy runs one and plops it in with his Termies, FnP on Termies just ruins my whole day
Sanguinary Guard look pretty (em)boss(ed)
Cromson Slaughter Formations, 1250 pts
* #### Brethren of the Dark Covenant (907pts) ####
* #### Chaos Space Marines (189 pts)####
6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino w/dozer blades, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW
* #### Aspiring Champion ####
Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs
* #### Chaos Space Marines (189 pts)####
6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino w/dozer blades, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW
* #### Aspiring Champion ####
Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs
* #### Chaos Space Marines (189 pts)####
6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino w/dozer blades, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW
* #### Aspiring Champion ####
Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs
* #### Dark Apostle (130 pts)####
Bolt Pistol, Gift of mutation, Mark of Nurgle, Power Maul, Warlord
* #### Possessed (180 pts)####
Mark of Nurgle, 5x Possessed, Possessed Champion
* #### The Ravagers (343pts) ####
* #### Chosen (193 pts)####
Chaos Rhino, 4x Chosen with Boltgun, CCW and Boltpistol, 4x Replace boltgun w/ Plasma gun
* #### Chosen Champion ####
Boltgun, Chainaxe
* #### Possessed (180 pts)####
Mark of Nurgle, 5x Possessed, Possessed Champion
For this list, it's all about power, mobility, and the ability to take a couple of hits. With everything T5, it's going to take a bit more firepower to take the suckers out. The CSM when given FnP and Zealot act as cheaper, makeshift Plague Marines, moving forward to crack vehicles. The Chosen get their Plasma Twin-Linked and hunts down heavy infantry while the possessed move to engage and tie up any units while the rhinos get where they need to be. Dark Apostle goes with the Chosen, staying within 12 inches of the CSM who move ahead.
>>46850378
triggered, kek.
>>46850360
>primarch has iron hands
>primarch is literally named iron hands
>legion is named iron hands
>sensing a theme here
>some genius decides we should have iron hands
>everybody cuts off at least one hand and gets a bionic
>constant sharp pains at the join between flesh and metal
>whose fucking idea was this?
>other guys keep muttering the flesh is weak
>actually the flesh is stupid my hand didn't hurt before
>Primarch actually tells you it was dumb as fuck to cut off your hand
>pretend you didn't hear him
>the flesh is weak
>punch some prick in the face, feel your wrist giving way at the join
>the flesh is weak you mutter
>ask the techmarine for a iron arm instead of a hand
>he tells you he is busy, have you ever replaced 100k legionnaires hands, get wounded or fuck off
>pain is a constant companion
>the flesh is weak
>>46849357
Hmmm.... Are these good?
Chapter Tactics: Exorcists
>Hexagrammic Wards: Non-Vehicle Exorcists models have the Feel No Pain (6+) special rule as well as the Adamantium Will special rule. If they have the Feel No Pain rule from another source, they instead add 1 to the result of any Feel No Pain rolls.
>Occult Lore: Exorcists models have the Preferred Enemy (Daemons & Psyker) special rules.
I feel like something could be added onto the Occult Lore rule in the event that there are neither Deamons or Psylers on the field. Or just add onto it? Or is it fine as is?
>>46850416
>istavaan V; following glorious lord Iron Hand into battle with the Iron hands while your actual iron hand aches like a bitch
>every time your fire your bolter the recoil is punctuated by sharp pain
>the flesh is weak you mutter as you shoot at the traitors
>your primarch Iron hand fights some other primarch who doesn't even have iron hands
>the primarch with normal hands is seeming to be winning
>"b-but the flesh is weak" you stutter as you strangle some purple marine to death with your normal hand, because your iron hand has seized up
>your primarch loses his head
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>you completely lose your mind
>THE FLESH IS WEAK you yell as you kill
>IF THE FLESH WAS STRONG I WOULDN'T NEED A FUCKING IRON HAND!
>Why was my primarch such a weak as bitch fucking weakling FUCK
>Your primarch should of had an iron neck
>what a fucking faggot, if you survive this your definitely gonna get an iron neck
>There seem to be a lot of these normal handed traitors all around you
>your stupid iron hand is the only one you have now, your other arm appears to have taken its leave
>the flesh is weak
>you can neither use bolter or sword because you hand is seized
>you are stuck punching normal handed traitors to death
>it takes ages
>the pain every time you punch someone increases
>you look at your hand, its a stump, in the melee some prick has stolen your fucking iron hand
>you start running
>you actually escape this shit hole
>when you get home you tell the techmarine to iron you the fuck up
>You have iron arms legs and neck now
>everything hurts all the fucking time
>some faggot in another dimension on an image bored says your legion is mad as fuck
>TFW major frugal poorfag and don't want to invest in a hobby I'm not even sure I'll enjoy
Least the wiki is free.
>>46850445
I was like you once, free and enjoying the lore
Now I enjoy painting Models, and playing
Also, now they have the starter Boxes, lowest bar to entry in a long time
Find a friend who also is interested in playing the game, get some starter boxes, and enjoy
1d4chan is pretty fuckin' sweet though
>>46850431
>>Your primarch should of had an iron neck
Every time
>>46850477
>Dark Vengeance
>130 dollarydoos
>Cheap
>>46850445
Frugality won't save you from your poorness. The "frugal billionaire" is just a myth, and eccentric outliers. If you want to earn some more spending money to waste on hobbies, you should look for a better job or start a beginner's stock portfolio.
I guarantee you're not working full time right now, or you're doing something terribly wrong like working two jobs at minimum wage and paying 75% of your paycheck to rent.
>>46850520
Start Collecting! Tau
Start Collecting! Necrons
Start Collecting! Space Wolves
and several more
They'e all $85 and worth more than that
Also, Dark Vengeance is shit, don't buy it
>>46850520
Get a job you fucking hippie :^)
>>46850522
College student with 12/h (dollar above canadian wage). Part time, getting more hours in the summer. I pay only 500 a month to survive on top of food. I also do porn/art commissions to make spending money.
I guess the problem is I'm not comfortable taking a 150$ dive on a hobby I'm not so sure about.
He said get a friend. 65 daneerios each.
>>46850542
>They'e all $85 and worth more than that
Not him, but this really [[[TRIGGERED]]] me. More like "they're all $85, which is significantly cheaper than what GW sells them for. They are worth maybe $20 though and that's including plastic, sculpting, all the overhead, and running a network of stores"
>>46850019
>>Scholar of Refined Taste
>6 below 5
>3 below 2
We both know who the real pleb here is.
>>46850425
I like it.
>>46850545
Go to FLGS. Watch a game. See if you'd like to do that sort of thing. ????????? PROFIT
also you can always just paint. If you buy a box every 2 weeks (pretty good pace tbqh, especially on top of college) it should be like $20/week equivalent. That's like 3 beers + cover at a bar in Canada. kek.
>>46850559
Then go through a recaster if that is the issue, Z has a nice selection, but be warned, the quality is questionable, they'll be fragile, I got some Sydonian Dragoons and shit keeps braking off of them that wouldn't on Official ones
>>46850559
Well, you're free to go and find cheaper alternatives of equal quality.
>>46850520
>>46850547
That and if you're buying direct from GW they have some battle bros deal on where you get something like a tenner of instore credit for buying a starter box with a friend.
>>46850564
>liking 6 and 3
Pleb as fuck nigger those are literally the most overhyped and popular marks right now for the hipsters who hate 4 and 7.
Fuckin all you see is beakies and DG/IW Mk 3. There's a reason 99% of the images in HH1-3 are Mk 2.
>>46850590
There are lots of cheaper, better quality models from small 3rd party companies. Unfortunately GW retains its stranglehold on the market and won't let you play with non-GW models in a GW store or at a lot of tournaments.
>>46850559
>They are worth maybe $20 though and that's including plastic, sculpting, all the overhead, and running a network of stores"
Do you not know how business and economy works? You're not going to get them at 0% markup unless you steal from GW.
>>46850407
shit format kill self
>>46850545
Exactly, so you're not in a situation where you're actually earning money. Real money. And you're also not really in a position where you can afford to do so either, not if you want to sleep and graduate with passing grades.
My suggestion is to just tough it up until you graduate. If you can manage to save $20 a month you can start in the hobby slowly and buy something every 2-3 months, or hit the jackpot on eBay.
>Best
Mk IV
>Good
Mk III, Mk II, Mk VI
>Average
Mk V, Mk VII
>Below average
Mk VIII
>LOL who cares tier
Mk I
>>46850618
Yes, but the 400%+ markup is bullshit.
>>46850619
Suck dick fuck self
>>46850585
>I got some Sydonian Dragoons
>getting anything with thin parts from a recaster
Why.
>>46850639
At least the bundles are actual deals now, GW is getting better, even if it is slow, it's something
Or just Boycott Gee-Dubs until they go out of Business and someone else buys their IP
>>46850611
3rd party models tend to cost as much or more. The "cheaper better" ones you're referring to are almost guaranteed to be crappy Mantic or completely-different-genre Perry, because sci-fi/fantasy 28mm (heroic or otherwise) miniatures don't exist for massively cheaper than GW.
>>46850611
>There are lots of cheaper, better quality models from small 3rd party companies.
Do show us all these $20 box sets of GW+ quality plastic models.
>Unfortunately GW retains its stranglehold on the market
How does GW stop you from buying stuff from other places? You're free to play in a number of non-GW stores and clubs, including tournaments.
>>46850618
Found the jew
>>46850652
It was half the price and I'm stupid
My first purchase from a recaster ever
>>46850606
>Beakie was the armour I was introduced to
>M7 has had so many smiley/frownie edits it looks comical to me
>5 looks like he just ran out of a clown menagerie
>apparently I'm not allowed to like 6 anymore because other people like it
No. And M2's leg striations with unmoveable helmet is shit. There is nothing to like about it aesthetically, practically, or with the cool factor. That is the true hipsters choice - choosing it because no one else does, then acting like it's superior. M3 did the knight look better than 2, doesn't have the weird segmented legs, and it has the cool factor that M2 lacked - superheavy frontal armour built to advance without dying. There is 0 reason to prefer M2 over M3, unless you are actually living in the setting and worry about your power supplylike a faggot.
You couldn't be more wrong, pleb.
>>46850669
Found the commie.
>>46850661
>>46850663
Are MOM Minis any good? They're cheaper and look to be equivalent in detail etc. As far as other casters I can't remember the names currently and I'm not on my home laptop where I keep the "possible proxies" list.
>How does GW stop you from buying stuff from other places? You're free to play in a number of non-GW stores and clubs, including tournaments.
But everyone else plays in GW stuff, and they abuse their monopoly. Jesus m8 I'm not saying "sell them for $20" I'm saying "Forgeworld prices are fucking ridiculous and GW prices are usually pretty fucking high too"
>>46850694
Mk 3 is the one with the unmovable helmet. And the mk 2 legs you're complaining about are the most similar to actual suits of real plate armor, which I thought you faggots loved since you hate boobplate and like realistic armor threads so much.
>>46850728
>Mk 3 is the one with the unmovable helmet
Wrong.They both have immovable helmets. M2's is just the one that looks like it's bolted on.
>>46850720
>and GW prices are usually pretty fucking high too"
No point in saying that since they're lower/the same as every other major company in the market. The prices for miniatures is high in general. You realize X-Wing, Infinity, Warmahordes, etc all charge MORE than GW per model? For 99% of any given model range, and on a combined average. Don't try to cherry pick the cheapest Infinity/Warmahorde model and compare it with a GW HQ or the most expensive GW model you can find like most faglords do on /tg/ every time price is mentioned.
![13605839[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/71TNLt9.jpg "13605839[1].jpg")
>>46850728
>And the mk 2 legs you're complaining about are the most similar to actual suits of real plate armor
There is no realistic armour that has those laughable Castle In The Sky golem legs.
>>46850742
FW decided to remove the unmovable helmet part from those two marks for some reason.
>going on outdated fluff
>even uses outdated GW image
Why bro it's 2016. HH came out like 4 years ago.
Thinking about splitting the Imperial Knight game with a friend and was wondering what I should build.
I'm liking the Knight Gallant since it's cheaper and adds a melee monster to compliment my Dark Angels, but I don't know how good it is (or more realistically how much worse it is then the other load outs).
>>46850765
Are you retarded?
>>46850776
Buy Magnets, Magnetize that bitch
It can now be any Knight variant you want
>>46850785
I had magnetized my Tau Crisis suits and Carnifexes at one point bu I ended up undoing it cause I didn't like how fragile they felt. I don't trust myself to do a solid enough job with magnets to not make the knight constantly on the verge of collapsing.
>>46850767
>the triumph of the M2 armour was introducing the autosenses that were so advanced it was like you weren't wearing a helmet it all, even when moving your head despite the fixed helmet
>removing this for modeling purposes is somehow an upgrade
>>46850780
That is segmented plates, not the shitty hooped bands of M2 (which even FW considered awful and removed when printing the model). Are you the retard?
>>46850810
Why the fuck do you keep referring to GW's shit instead of the actual current FW diagrams? It's retconned you dumb nigger, you're complaining about non-existent shit.
>hur dur shit from the 80's doesn't look good in 2016
>hur dur GW doesn't know how military and historical shit works
>hur dur this stuff was corrected but I'm still going to complain about it
That's literally you.
>>46850809
I'm not saying Magntize the whole thing, just the arms
If the fragility bothers you, buy stronger magnets, also, being able to disarm it will make it easier to transport
My Roommate Magnetized every single arm of his Blood Angels and they seem solid enough
And if I really can't convince you of Magnets, I wouldn't recommend Gallant if it's going to be your only one, grab the Errant, it costs more, but has some more distanced weapons that can deal with Deathstars while keeping its distance before closing in with its Strength D Reaper Chainsword
>>46850747
Don't those games require way less models than 40k does? I thought Infinity is usually like 10 dudes, and the same for Warmahordes? (I honestly don't know though)
>>46850838
>Forgeworld realizes M2 is shit, so they redesign it to look closer to M3
>"Man, M2 is sooo much better than M3. Only hipsters would like M3 over this."
>>46850864
Less Models, but the cost is increased, you still end up spending similar amounts of Money.
It just feels like you're not getting nickel and dimed, JewDubya isn't actually that bad
>>46850838
Is that really your fallback? "It's retconned! Forgeworld retconned the shittiness! So if you still like M3 over 2 after the retcon, ur a fgt!"
>>46848792
Rosalind Franklin
Sylvia Earle
The lack of famous female scientists is more of a function of them being kept out of science.
>>46850559
>$20
GW does overprice a lot of their stuff, but come the fuck on.
>>46850864
Warmahordes is regularly 50+ models nowadays. It's stupid.
Mostly because infantry spam is the best way to go but it's also the most expensive. Paying $7-10 per metal monopose Infinity model is not my idea of saving money compared to $3-5 per multi part GW one, either. Although I do buy random Infinity models just for the amazing sculpts.
>>46850606
Beakies are popular cause they fucking look good.
And disliking shit because it's popular makes you the dirty fucking hipster, you saucepan.
>>46850900
Is this really your argument? "The current FW Mk II is fine, but if you like it, you're wrong because of the way the old, outdated, replaced GW Mk II that nobody's talking about or even cares about was!"?
>>46850960
Replace beakies with Maximums to see why you're retarded.
A lot of people on /tg/ and in the hobby have shit taste. Just look at any homebrew color scheme thread. I'm not saying beakies don't look good, you just have retarded arguments.
>>46850901
>The lack of famous female scientists is more of a function of them being kept out of science.
That's not necessarily true. Even today with the massive push towards including women in STEM at any cost, they lag behind. Some people say this is due to gender roles (whether voluntary or the evil patriarchy). But in any case, that barrier's removed, and in a lot of fields it's made no difference.
>>46850969
I'm saying M2 was shit, and the fact that they redesigned it after 3 (especially that new helmet) isn't giving it any brownie points, especially in an argument claiming that nu2 is better than 3. Just indication that 3 is perfect and even FW admits it.
>>46850901
>being kept out of science
Not even that fedora lord but you cant be serious? Are you implying theres some patriarchy telling girls they cant get STEM jobs?
>>46850978
>I agree with your arguments
>but you have retarded arguments
Not even him, but kek.
>>46850747
Is this a fucking Pootie Tang reference, my bammies?
>>46850901
>being kept out of science
you do realize people can choose to go into STEM, right?
>>46850520
Wtf. Hobbies cost money.
A mediocre frolfing kit (bag, discs, other stuff) costs that much.
Good kite gear can cost that much.
R/C costs a shit ton more.
Moonshining has set me back about a $500 and I also do Warhammer. Shit man I deliver pizzas and can find room for this.
Do you work a retail job? Actually try at your job and in no time you're getting raises and promotions.
>>46851143
>Moonshining has set me back about a $500
yeah but how much has it paid out?
you can tell me, im not a cop, i swear..
>>46850520
it is 99 on amazon
and honestly, 40k is not as expensive as people say it is
while most models are more expensive than they used to be, the price per space marine has stayed constant for over ten years.
Furthermore, the price per model is not really that bad if you compare to say, Reaper
Are the really old GW models shit for the price? yes. Don't buy their older models. Buy the newer better quality models.
>>46851143
this
There is a guy at my work whose hobby is racing cars. He custom builds a car in his garage that he drives to a track to race. He spends every month what I do on 40k a year.
also plenty of people have guns and hunting as hobbies, and those get expensive really fast
even my mother whose hobby is scrapbooking notes how expensive stamps and fancy materials are (and I've seen those prices, to sustain that hobby costs as much as 40k)
---
what really makes me sadder than anything about all this, is many people who complain how expensive 40k is will spend hundreds of dollars on Pathfinder or Magic: The Gathering. If you like those things that's fine, just accept that your hobby can be equally as expensive as ours.
>>46850901
Its about time you stop shitting up this thread with your bullshit.
Take your gender studies discussion to where it belongs.
Who has a poster with map of Sabbat Worlds? I find only in low res
Your personal finances>Your Wellbeing>Your Hobbies>Your Social Life> Then your LGS.
If you need to compromise something, don't be afraid to do it. If you cannot support all of the above, chop off the end of the snake. There is no need to abandon your hobbies just because you want to support your LGS. Buy deals online cheap, hoard money, support your hobby. Just make sure you put your financial stability (living expences) and your personal well being (Don't drive yourself into the ground) first.
>>46851258
Frankly it's propably just that the individual pieces of 40k not only cost more than say a booster at MTG, but also requires you buy paints and brushes.
Also some people don't think painting as part of the hobby
>>46851400
>Also some people don't think painting as part of the hobby
I think this is the real problem
painting, modelling, collecting, and narrative are easily 80% of the hobby
>>46851423
Try 100%. I think the last time I played a game was in 5th edition.
>>46851467
>Try 100%. I think the last time I played a game was in 5th edition.
are you me?
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/prod-home-whd/HH-taghmata-army-list.html
They are bringing the HH to 40K and 40K to the HH.
What does /tg/ feel about this?
