Warhammer Fantasy General: Skaven Females Edition
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First-first for Skaven, the master race, yes-yes!
What would be a good name for a Grey Seer to annoy a party with be?
Bonus points if it's a pun.
Extra bonus points if it's a subtle pun.
>>46835536
Rutabega Chez.
Racial slur against Swiss people+cheese.
Stealth pun, most people assume Rutabega is a cheap pun sounding like "Rat-abega".
Bonus points for involving Ratling guns.
What sort of combat should a WFRP game have: real-time or turn-based?
>>46835846
It's built with initiative, so it's turn based by design.
wud u pat a skaven
>>46836069
Headpat and feed Warpstone tokens.
>>46834573
I never realized that warhammer was so punk/metal
>>46835846
Logically turn-based, but I wouldn't play it.
>>46836291
That's the reaction I expected.
Do you think it would be possible to translate WFRP combat to real-time?
>>46836324
If you took some liberties, sure.
>>46836178
There's been four CEOs.
The first was the starters of the company, who left because they got bored and wanted to go back to the pure gaming aspect instead of being businessmen.
The third, Ansell, thought Warhammer was a hit property to expand into everything. He made sure the stores were places to play and not just shop, he produced a heavy metal band called Bolt Thrower if they made songs for Fantasy and 40k, he even planned a TV game show where the theme was being in the 40k universe. It was basically Robot Wars though. He made Games Workshop THE tabletop company.
Then the current guy, Kirby, bought Ansell out and shitcanned everything. His brilliant strategy is doing no market research and selling models to collectors and the 20% of people he thinks use them in a game. His only goal is maximum profit for the least risk, which is why we all hate him. His decisions have sunk the company in a big way. X-Wing is now the biggest tabletop game, and his belief that "video games are a fad" is why Warcraft is THE fantasy setting.
>>46836324
I think the appeal of WFRP is feeling like you're in the setting.
So you'd want to maximize immersion, minimize emphasis on video game mechanics.
Of course I never played WFRP, so take my opinion as purely a casual perspective.
>>46836436
>x-wing is the biggest table top game
Oh please.
>>46836436
current ceo is Kevin D. Rountree
>>46837102
It literally is
>>46837102
t. Games-Workshop employee
>>46837102
It is currently the most selling tabletop game.
FFG is going to overtake GW in the next decade if not sooner. Age of Sigmar so far has set GW back 6 years in stock value, and its showing no signs of stopping.
What if elves helped create the empire instead of the dwarfs? What if sogmar had reached an elvish prince instead of a dwarf King? What if it were elves and men who stood shoulder to shoulder in blackfire pass? Overall, what would the empire have looked like if it was influenced by elves the same way the real empire was influenced by dwarfs
>>46837102
That's true tough, search it up.
>>46837268
>>46837377
>>46837296
It's still behind warmachine and 40k easily, to pretend otherwise is just intentionally being stupid.
>>46837437
It would look more like bretonia.
>>46837437
>What if elves helped create the empire instead of the dwarfs?
You'd have Bretonnia.
>What if sogmar had reached an elvish prince instead of a dwarf King? What if it were elves and men who stood shoulder to shoulder in blackfire pass?
Elves feel no loyalty and readily break oaths, so it's hard to say.
>>46837437
So if War of the Beard hadn't happened and Elves were still the dominant force in the Old World outside mountains?
Bretonnia in both Bretonnia and the Empire, but all the peasants are human and nobles the Elves. Sigmar and his line would be like Repanse de Lyonesse, a peasant uplifted into nobility.
No WotB means High Elves retain their golden age strength and eventually defeat the diminished Dark Elves.
No Wood Elves means Isha and Kurnous don't break with Asuryan and Lileath so the Cadai stand united against the Cytharai and Chaos, which prevents End Times.
Also, Dwarfs and Elves remain bros so both influence humans anyway. War of the Beard was an eventuality, but it was only a conflict that devastated both races forever because of Malekith's meddling so the eventual small wars like Grudge of Drong would be vents for frustrations and Grudges while as a whole remaining united.
Without being weakened, Dwarfs never lose holds to Skaven or greenskins to both races are much less of a threat.
>>46837501
>It's still behind warmachine and 40k easily, to pretend otherwise is just intentionally being stupid.
This isn't 'pretending' or shit like that buddy, a fact right now: http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33912/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2015
It will be only getting worse for GW
>>46837437
>Overall, what would the empire have looked like if it was influenced by elves the same way the real empire was influenced by dwarfs
Better, I mean the choice is between subhumans and the alpha race, how is that even a question.
>>46837501
No, according to a report that came out last month the sales in North America for tabletop gaming has X-Wing at the top, then Warmahordes, then 40k.
Age wasn't even in the top 10. Betrayal At Calth outsold the entire Age line in fact.
>>46837102
>Look at me, a literal retard, run my stupid mouth!
Would Empire be in a better spot right now if Vlad won and became Emperor in 2051?
ayy
>>46838104
Make the Empire great again. I can already see it. He'd get my peasant support.
>>46837102
X-wing winning is an obvious fact.
Easy to learn, various gameplay, tournament friendly, ALREADY PAINTED.
Just ask your non GW store FLGS what is the game they sell the more.
>>46838303
>ALREADY PAINTED
>good thing
non hobbyists get out REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46838303
>X-wing winning is an obvious fact.
It's riding the hype wave of the movies. When that fades, so will the game.
>>46837437
>>46837710
I think the most interesting scenario is if the war of the beard still happened but the elves won. Both sides are still pretty battered and the dwarfs go into full isolation, while the high elf colonies remain to rebuild. After malekith starts attacking again I see most of the colony military being pulled back to ulthuan, leaving the colonies under defended. By the time of sigmar the colonies have become almost entirely self reliant, but the time of woes happening to the dwarfs and the emergence of the greenskins and skaven mean that the elves are pushed into a position where they would have to ally with the humans or else risk losing their hold on the old world. Sigmar and whatever elf prince or Mage he saved would probably be Bria like malekith and snorri, elves aren't completely without honor. Sigmar would have gotten some fancy enchanted axe or sword instead of ghal maraz, along with some fancy armor.
If the elves decide to teach the humans magic then they have thousands of years to develope their magic potential. Seeing what he colleges achieved after just 300 years, an empire that always had wizards would be pretty powerful in the magical department. They wouldn't have gunpowder or all the steampunk stuff, at least not until the Great War against chaos when the dwarfs set up gunnery and engineering schools in the empire. They'd probably take on the Greco roman theme of the elves, with lots of Knights.
Tldr elf empire looks like the Roman Empire combined with bretonnia with MAGIC
>>46838439
It was already most popular before the movie even came out mate
>>46838439
still going strong for 40 years tho
>>46838400
yes because grey tide don't exist at all, and painter can still paint on top of it.
Idiot get out REEEEEEEEEE
Also out of the box x-wing is much better than the lazy nurgle pic you post.
>>46838678
>Playing with the sorts of people who don't paint their army
>Also out of the box x-wing is much better than the lazy nurgle pic you post.
>>46838678
Did you actually photoshop the painters name out of that
>>46838104
Eh...hard to say.
Our only comparison for his leadership style is Sylvania's 40k-tier inept leadership and other vampires. I'd rank him as third to Ushoran and Neferata in regard to the latter.
But Dwarfs have too many Grudges against vampires and are so racist its a miracle they don't shoot Brets for Emoire Grudges, so the Empire would lose support of them.
But...Vlad in power means no Konrad or Mannfred rampages. Meaning no Nagash, no End Times.
Hell, Ulthuan wouldn't have sunk had Tyrion not gone full Malekith over Mannfred sticking a cactus up his daughter's vagina for the evulz.
Vampires tend to win against Beastmen and almost never fall to Chaos, so the Empire as a whole would probably be safer from external threats.
Brets would probably attack them. Tomb Kings for sure would.
So...hard to say but I'd gamble more on things overall being better.
So, /whfb/ what are you currently working on?
>>46838227
Yeah, never bought anything.
>>46839095
>80% unpainted
>>46839074
Painting about 50 of these in this design.
>>46839126
20% is around 50k points
>>46839074
I'll repost from the WIP thread but, this is a bunch of stuff I've (mostly) picked up this semester to work on.
The skaven are built, and some primed. The Wood elves are second hand and mostly built (riders still on spruce though) but I'm excited to get to work.
>sorry for the image size, I think
>>46839152
Just looking at that, I remember how much more fantasy back log I have. Not to mention 40K and Warmachine.
Cannot fucking wait to get to work on this again
>>46839149
I actually believe that.
>>46839095
>The Hero WHFB needs with his chamber of ancient heroes.
>>46839095
Disco ball in the Warhammer room?
Nice.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TXCUenE0b5A
>>46837765
>>46837962
>>46838303
>To develop this chart, we interviewed distributors, manufacturers, and retailers, then aggregated the information into a single ranking.
They pulled the number from a rough guesstimate based on interviewing some distributors, gw don't release their sales data and doesn't take into account online sales.
You would have to be intentionally stupid to believe that 40k had been knocked off its throne.
>>46838227
That should be "Been buying models for 30 years, never even played a single game".
>>46839545
Knowing GW's numbers wouldn't tell you if X-Wing outsold them.
If third parties aren't selling more 40k, less is being sold overall.
>>46839545
>Mom I posted it again!
>>46839074
Conceptualizing a 9th Age Orc Army.
>>46839594
Less 40k being sold overall does not equate to selling less than x-wing, unless of course your only unit of measurement for "topdog" is "units sold". In which case sure, it's possible to say that x-wing sold more individual unit of product within a 3 month period than 40k but it's disingenuous to try and claim anything more than that.
Especially sine claiming that "x-wing is now the biggest tabletop game" as >>46836436
did insinuates that it has some how managed to garner a following as large as 40ks in a fraction of the time that 40k has been around.
>>46839760
The problem with your argument is it entirely hinges in Games Workshop selling a very large amount of models through online distribution.
Furthermore, the "biggest" means who sells the most, because this is a capitalist world and the worth of all things is measured financially.
But fair is fair. "X-Wing is the buggest FLGS tabletop game." Which, considering how GW has now shut down most of its Games Workshop stores worldwide, means everything.
>>46839760
Who actually means "popular" when they say "biggest".
>>46839865
>The problem with your argument is it entirely hinges in Games Workshop selling a very large amount of models through online distribution.
No it doesn't, gw don't release any sales data from in store or online. The numbers they used are purely flgs numbers based from distributors, gws distributors don't release their number either so it's taken from a sample size of flgs owners who actually let the people from that website scour their books.
>>46839865
They shut down some unprofitable stores and opened new ones elsewhere, to say "most of their stores world wide" is also disingenuous.
>Furthermore, the "biggest" means who sells the most
Biggest means biggest, who sells the most means who has sold the most. Who is selling more right now would be fastest selling, a x-wing is still in a growth period and much cheaper to get into it should be selling faster.
>>46839889
Either way it's just a strange thing to say.
>>46840002
Sells=/=sold.
Warcraft didn't make more than Everquest until the third expansion, but even at launch was "the biggest".
"The biggest" is an overall evaluation of all fields.
Since GW is sinking and all available sales data point to it being outsold, it is not "the biggest" anymorr.
>>46840315
That's a ludicrous claim to make though.
>all available sales data
If you don't have enough data you just say it's inconclusive, we know for a fact that no x-wing is being sold in games workshops stores or through their online retailers but we wouldn't use that as evidence towards x-wing being the smallest game on the market.
>>46840408
A sample size of flgs retailers is pretty sufficient.
>>46840408
DC comics are sold in gas stations.
But when a large sampling of comicbook stores all have Marvel outselling them, then claiming that DC is still top dog because we don't have gas station sales data is ludicrous.
GW's stock should be enough to tell you how their stores are doing. The value of stock in a company doesn't sink like the Titanic when everything is doing fine.
>>46840492
It's not sufficient in the slightest, you're suggesting that second hand data regarding x-wings sales online and from flgs are evidence that it outsells 40ks from games workshops stores, its online store and american flgs.
>>46840572
This is equally as ludicrous and actually shows a pretty strange misunderstanding of the share market in general.
>>46839323
ALUH RATBAR
Do people here think that Total War:Warhammer will/would generate more interest in the tabletop or not? I can see the argument that people who aren't into buying figures probably won't start solely because there's games made in the same setting, but I wonder if there wouldn't be some kind of positive effect somewhere.
>>46840685
Of course it would be, only retarded aos-shills argue otherwise.
Hell, there was a poll on the german forums a few weeks ago how people got into 40k and around 40% of them was 'video games'. And note that 40k never had a real AAA videogame, the most successful games were the DoW series and the space marine game.
>>46840685
40k sales spike was directly correlated with Dawn of War, so it stands to reason the effect might have applied on WHF. Of course, pricing being what it was, it's possible the effect would've been muted.
>>46840685
Yes, but I don't think anyone will get into Age over it.
Most likely they'll buy a kit of whatever they think is the coolest.
>>46840840
So I got pic related, the OOP female Waywatcher, for my Lumbafoots model.
Any recommendations for Salty, Markus Unitchampion, Pyro's great great great grandmother, and Cousin Okri's cousin?
>>46841086
There's a ripped model for Kingdom Death which looks like a witch hunter.
>>46840840
>Yes, but I don't think anyone will get into Age over it.
Anybody who knows about Warhammer Fantasy in any form knows Age of Sigmar = bad and everyone else hates it so they probably should to.
>>46840685
It's vidya hyping tabletop game that doesn't officially exist anymore. I mean, sure, it might get some people interested, but most of it will be wasted potential now.
>>46841111
Not a bad one, but not very close either.
>>46835699
Rutabaga is a reference to Swedes, not the Swiss.
>>46841086
AoW witch hunter looks very much like Saltzpyre with two pistols
>>46841202
don't the Swiss live in Sweden?
>>46841111
Except that's 35mm scale and the guy is a monster (meaning he's bigger than survivors). He's probably Ogre-sized when translated to WHF measures.
>>46841129
Its almost like an AVGN game, people only find out about it because of the jokes about how bad it is.
>>46841086
Show me reference pictures, I might be able to tell.
>>46841246
Swiss live in Switzerland,
Except for Swiss Guard who live in Rome, Italy.
>>46841283
Victor Saltzpyre.
Witch Hunter, ultra paranoid about Skaven. Pretty liberal for a Witch Hunter.
Was bringing the Wizard for trial when Skaven invaded. He immediately set her free, and leads the defense of the first Empire city invaded in End Times.
>>46841400
Markus Kruber.
Empire Greatsword, former leader of the 8th Ostland which was obliterated by a Necromancer. Wants to retire, but the Empire won't let him. Recruited by Salty to help him transport the Wizard.
>>46841472
Forgot pic.
>>46841501
Bardin Gorekkson.
Dwarf Ranger. Found a map to an ancient lost Hold, came to the city to get funding for an expedition. Loves killing Skaven, won't shut up about his cousin. Tsun as fuck for the Elf.
>>46841400
option one, this guy with a head swap, IIRC the Great Weapon is optional bit
option two - Empire Militia greatcoat body + Greatswords command group sword arm + pistol from Pistolier + any head + sculpt the hat
option thee - Cygnar Gun Mage with swapped head and gun (metalic model, will be pain in the ass)
option four 40k Inquisitor with Inferno Pistol - you will need to file down =][= iconography and cut the pistol
>>46841501
generic rank&file Empire Greatsword
>>46841570
either generic Dwarf Warrior or try to get one of the metalic Mordheim dwarves
>>46841570
Sienna Fuegonasus.
Fled Estalia as a little girl to avoid being burned as a witch. Went to the Bright College, addicted to casting fire magic and burning things. Wanders the world looking for enemies of the Empire AKA things nobody cares if she lights on fire.
Arrested by Salty for maybe possibly accidently probably lighting a mill on fire out of boredom and causing the son of the local Burgermeister to burn to death inside. Is pretty excited about the whole "billions of moving flammable targets and a pat on the back from everyone for making it happen" thing.
>>46840685
I can imagine it would generate interest but in terms of people playing one game then investing in a 2.5k point army it's vague.
Now 4-5 years from now when GW release "old warhammer" it's entirely possible that it will bring an influx of players.
The thing with video games that people never really seem to understand is that the lions share of profits go to the developer and the retailer.
Secondly GW has always tried their best not to create an alternative to buying models and using them in stores, where they can be tempted into buying more shit which leaves them trying to license their IP to developers with the provision that they can't just create a computerized simulation of warhammer aka what people actually want. Leaving the developer with a whole heap of background they could write themselves.
I personally can't wait to see how many games we get in the warhammer universe now that they're licensing to big time devs though.
>>46841748
Kerillian.
Waywatcher who followed a Spellsinger, saw something she REALLY shouldn't have seen, and can't return to Athel Loren because of it. Doesn't like non-Elves much, but can't find any Wood Elves in the Empire to talk to. Sort of likes the Pyro for some reason, hates Salty and is Tsun as fuck for the Dwarf. Calls everyone Mayfly and Lumberfoot. Has a Scottish accent.
>>46841748
Empire Flagellant, body with covered chest + beardless head + torch with extended handle to make the staff.
>>46841400
Grave Digger from Reaper.
>>46841400
this one'd fit nicely, methinks, since Saltzpire can use dual pistols
>>46841872
greenstuff a scarf on her and voila
>>46841570
not sure which one'd fit the dwarf best
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129&Itemid=53&armycode=Dwarfs
>>46841872
what could a Waywatcher see that would freak her out so? they guard deepest parts of a fucking creepy living forest, they've seen stuff that'd drive a high elf mad. what coulda scared her away?
So what do you guys think of no more Grimgor?
>>46842689
he took broken enchanted chaos regalia from headbutted archaon, had his head shaman do some mojo on them to open a portal and led a WAAAAGH! into the Realms of Chaos, on a quest to headbutt Khorne. nobody heard of him since.
>>46842683
End Times canon.
Maybe Lileath poisoning the mother of all Elves?
>>46842689
Oh shit, didn't see Destruction get Last Chance'd.
Eh, didn't care for Grimgor. He only gets points for being better than Archaon, but Savage Orcs and Night Goblins are my jam.
Still fucked up how everything with any personality is being shitcanned.
>>46842919
hm, and if we ditch End Times? what could she've seen if Vermintide took place in normal WHFB?
>>46843049
they kept the iconic Maneaters, including Golfag, at least
>>46843088
>what could she've seen if Vermintide took place in normal WHFB?
Probably something Drycha related? Or the non-ET evil Lileath's plan for human and elf to coexist, which Ker accidently volunteered to help in by hearing it, as Lileath foresaw.
>>46839095
>all that metal
Fuck me.
>tfw we will never get white dorf rules for the vermintide roster like old gotrek and felix
>all of the elf r34 will be rat rape
Dark times ahead, /whfb/ gen. Dark times ahead.
>>46845195
There's a 34 of Ker and Markus consensually. Pretty good.
Otherwise, have this image.
>>46842553
>>46844400
>>46845406
>We can't female faces, so we hide it beyond a scarf: totaly GW.
Bravo Fatshark.
>>46841570
>>46841872
Anon, you're opinions a shit.
Bardin and Kerillian don't hate each other as much as they should but they sure don't like each other... more like some sort of """"""respect""""" or tolerance for fighting side by side against an infinite horde of rats.
On the other hand, she really wants Kruber's dick... just hear her dialogue, tsundere as fuck.
>>46845610
You have to unlock the hats that show her face.
>>46846101
"Yes, I'm injured. Does it please you?!"
"I...cannae deny it. That was a great shot."
>you will never motor boat morathais ass
Guys, are there any decent ass sculpting tutorials, I need to green stuff a booty onto my death hag. Larger breasts would also be great.
Some friends and I were looking into starting up a game of Wyrdwars after playing the Mordheim game on steam. Any thoughts on warband creation? I was looking at rolling up a cult of possessed, but I'm not sure what would be a good early game approach. Is making a juggernaut possessed a good strategy?
>>46847554
Found some new Morathi porn.
Image says its Dark Elves, but it looks like her without the gear on.
>>46848038
Mordheim is a weird game in that everything is either shit or OP.
So long as it's not shadow warriors, 20 sling'n clubs skaven or orcs with crossbows it's all the same at early game though. Buy stuff based on what your opponents are fielding.
>>46848074
That doesn't look much like her at all.
>>46838227
What, is your thread so dead that you've got to shitpost here instead AoSfag?
>>46839074
i just started working on my Carnival of Chaos brutes i have a lot of scuptwork to do but i'm over all happy with how they came out
How much Dwarf language for a Dwarf character is too much?
Because the Vermintide Dwarf babbles his people's tongue, and I'm wondering if my tabletop trash talking needs an immersion upgrade.
>>46850051
No such thing as too much, speak in nothing but dorfish for the whole game.
>>46838227
I like how the slav fucks up even his filenames
>>46839545
>gw don't release their sales data and doesn't take into account online sales.
Yeah, but most of GW-stores in US was closed after 2012.
>>46838400
Don't know if it's the shitty picture or what but that basing is hideous, like rushed, and rust is really bad.
No focus color anywhere just plain bland Nurgle in multiple shades of shit.
They look so stellar in green I wonder why would one paint them in 50 shades of shit
>>46850544
>most
No, they trimmed under performing stores and opened new ones outside of malls because of the fuck huge rent.
>>46850599
>and opened new ones outside of malls because of the fuck huge rent.
Any sources of this info Redshirt?
>>46850656
>red shirt
Fuck off you cunt stain.
>DURR ANYONE WHO CALLS ME OUT ON MY LIES IS A SHILL DURR
Literally the cancer that killed these generals.
>>46850842
>hurrr 40k iz da best wargame, durr x-wing is unpopula
>>46850656
Source was their announcement to open one man stores and reduce mall locations.
>>46850589
>>46838678
>calling jeff vader bad
Is this literally a meme general now.
>>46838400
They are wonderfully painted, but with that color scheme should not be displayed against that color wood.
>>46844482
>the time when people didn't realize that Hagbane is literally the best ranged option for Cata
Highest ogre DPS in the entire game is nothing to sneeze at, and it deals decent damage to everything else while at it.
>HurDurr everything after Realm of Chaos is shit
>Haven't play since 1997
>>46852189
Everything after RoC is a different game
4th was AoS 1.0, totally changed the game, and didn't do it very well as it was basically the first edition of a new game. 5th 6th and 7th were improvements of 4th.
8th was pretty much a downgrade in search of profits.
Age is a new game and also a in my eyes a downgrade in search of profits.
It's a perfectly reasonable opinion to have that everything after 3ed is shit because you may just hate that game and prefer the earlier version.
3ed 6th/7th and I suppose age if you're into that are all the best editions of 3 separate games.
Also realm of chaos was the absolute peak of your dudes.
>>46840685
Not really and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. At most GW might see an uptick in sales of Fantasy books from BL and maybe Fantasy kits.
It's utterly ridiculous to assume that just because Dawn of War led to an increase of 4th Edition 40k sales that Total Warhammer would do the same for 8th Edition Fantasy, the two are apples in oranges.
>>46839095
What is that above the Giant? Can't identify it from here.
>>46852357
looks like Hi Elf dragon, judging by the wings
>>46839095
ain't this that guy's that made a lot ofbasically copy-pastedfandexes? I remember hearing he had a full army for every fandex of his
>>46852189
Pretty sure he's got more minatures painted slav than you will ever own in your life :)
>>46846191
Never saw one with her face showing. Got a picture? Google does nothing? Is she really scarred?
>>46841570
>Tsun as fuck for the Elf.
Fun fact, the Bright Wiz asks Bardin about what he's looking for in Ubersreik and he refuses to tell her. She jokingly says she'll just ask the elf. Kerillian certainly does seem to know already.
>>46852424
>Kerillian certainly does seem to know already.
She calls him "holdseeker", so it's a good guess.
>>46845274
>There's a 34 of Ker and Markus consensually. Pretty good.
I don't believe you.
>>46852420
None of the hats show her face. That's a fanon interpretation right there.
I wouldn't be surprised if her face is fucked up, though. Occupational hazard.
>>46850051
If I remember right, Dwarfs will use bits of their language freely but don't like to explain it to outsiders.
It probably depends on how often the dwarf in question is among non-dwarfs. I liked Bardin's behavior of creating words from two components, so I borrowed that idea when my own dwarf coined a nickname for a comrade which was basically just 'idiot human.'
>>46852370
Huh, you're probably right. For some reason I thought it was longer.
>>46850934
>one man stores
Which still cost money but are now crap at helping bring people into the game. GW really needs to decide what they actually want to do.
Also the Orcs suffered less than I expected, still a real shame to lose some of those models.
new Wyvern doesn't look bad. fucking overpriced and the orc is meh, but still looks fine
>>46852581
It's not a shame, they just sell single digit of them a year.
>>46852971
Working at burger king pleb ?
>>46853045
Yes, it is a shame. The new models are awful and overpriced.
Also you don't have to be poor to realise GW models are insanely priced for no reason. The prices are literally killing their games and defending them makes you an idiot.
>>46837828
>North America
That might be why people are disagreeing
Over here, no one plays X-Wing whatsoever
>>46853963
Please define "over here" in a country with 50 states and 320 millions people.
What you see in your city isn't the whole picture
>>46837828
the "Age" range also include all WHFB models.
People WERE buying B@C because it was the cheaper way to get lots of marines.
People that are interested in footslogging sci-fi marines army are not the same as people who buy WHFB models for 9th age.
If anything, it only cannibalize 40k sales.
>>46855075
Over here as in a different fucking country
If you're not in America, you're probably not going to notice X-Wing's popularity, that's all I'm saying.
Sorry to interrupt the trolls trolling trolls about call of duty outselling x-wing outselling 40K outselling AoS.
Do any of you have any idea of which replacement model i would use for this beauty ? he is good but also failcast, and summer got pretty hot here in south Spain, which literally MELT finecast figures.
Too bad there no Metal alternative I need 4 of them for a custom 9th age campaign we are having starting June 1st.
Is there any good plastic kit i could use as a base ?
Arachnarock are way too big and normal spider way too small.
The rider isn't a problem, but that spider.....
Totally open to non-gw models, I searched for kickstarters but nothing good..
Although Gw-based conversion would be "better".
Help me fa/tg/uys you are my only hope.
>>46855187
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/spider
>>46839865
You mean like exclusive models, and then ship to gw store to avoid shipping costs?
>>46840685
Depends if they release 6th edition and the ravens list
>>46852971
Should be noted that according to a picture on the AoS facebook, a Maw Krusha and a wyvern are too entirely different things. Of course nothing stops you from using the former as a stand in for the latter.
>>46853125
>The new models are awful
Subjective
>GW models are insanely priced for no reason
They're honestly no different from the numerous other businesses that strive to deliver a quality product and don't work out of their basement as a one man job or skeleton crew. You're usually also pay less per model with GW, of course the flip side is that you need more models than games which use the reverse approach.
>The prices are literally killing their games
The price may not help, but if their games are facing any downsides it's the rules more than anything and possibly how, bar AoS, your choice of army pigeonholes you.
>>46855091
When something is popular and sells well in North America, it's a good sign and I'm tempted to say that, while you need more than just NA if you're trying to become a large company, it's more important than Western Europe.
idea: challenges are played out by special RPG-like rules
every character and champion has a set of abilities, which they can use to try to beat the other char
challenge-oriented characters will be somewhat worse in regular combat, and regular combat blenders will be weaker in challenges
keep it simple enough, though
>>46856555
>pigeonholes
How? If you play an army it should be because you like its playstyle, units and aesthetic This idea that every army should have access to everything just dilutes them,
And no, GW is far above the curve in prices compared to its alternatives. Look at the cost of an Empire state troopers box against a Perry European Mercenaries box then compare what you get in each. And don't claim its about 'striving to deliver a quality product' when the Perry plastics are both better made and cheaper. Hell GW plastic infantry is now getting more expensive than good metal or resin models from other companies.
>>46856996
disregard him, he's a shill see his posts:
>>46856555
>>46853045
he's 100% redshirt or GW fanboy. just ignore him.
>>46856555
>new models are awful
>Subjective
No it's not, pic related. Also, as someone who studied Fine Arts long ago and now works in the movie biz, I can assure you that the whole "art is subjective" thing is spouted by those who produce shitty work or want to make their unskilled friends feel warm and fuzzy.
There is such a thing as poorly sculpted anatomy, lifeless poses, poor colour choices, and including elements that do not fit a setting's style (WoW shoulderpads in Fantasy, for example).
For every orc shaman or interesting Khorne dude they produce, they've produced 20 or 30 lifeless, boring, uninspired monstrosities.
>The price may not help, but if their games are facing any downsides
If they are facing any downsides it's first and foremost pricing. When the rules are balanced around having 100 dudes on the table, it better be on the cheap end of the spectrum to get those dudes or the barrier of entry to your game will slowly suffocate it.
>You're usually also pay less per model with GW
Yeah, no. Perrys or Avatasr of War.
>>46856555
Yeah, the difference is Maw Krusha® is trademarkable.
>>46857037
>There is such a thing as poorly sculpted anatomy, lifeless poses, poor colour choices, and including elements that do not fit a setting's style (WoW shoulderpads in Fantasy, for example).
Fine line there though. Art can be objectively bad, but you usually have to be familiar with the form to quantify just what is bad about it.
WARHAHRAW just ended up being really obvious because it's so mirrored. The rest of the time I see people bitching about bad models, its usually nothing worth worrying about for a table top war game.
>>46837765
>http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/33912/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2015
Do you happen to know if there's a more detailed version of this stidy anywhere?
As someone who has a major in math (and computer science) with heavy emphasis in statistics, I'd love to look over this report to see how valid it really is, because the data they're missing from GW and how they compensated for that could greatly affect the validity of that study
>>46856996
By pigeonhole I meant that once you're committed to an army, it's something of an investment to start another one. For someone who enjoys multiple armies within a game, this can be a downside.
X-Wing, Infinity, Malifaux, and I believe even Warmachine and Hordes are all games where having two or more armies is a feasible prospect.
>Perry
They and Avatars of War are perfect examples of what I mean by basement businesses with skeleton crews. It's feasibly to charge less when you solely retail via online and don't have to worry about constantly producing and shipping product to keep your retailers in stock.
If you want to talk about GW's prices, compare them with Privateer Press, with Corvus Belli, with Wyrd, with FFG, actual companies who have a presence in stores.
>>46857037
>poorly sculpted anatomy
Considering GW sculpts miniatures in heroic style I think this immediately goes out the window and it becomes more about generally being believable.
>poor colour choices
Good thing they don't come prepainted then.
>and including elements that do not fit a setting's style
Eh, they're using the freedom of a new setting and not being restricted by base size to try out new things if they feel like it and a lot of the new things are not drastic.
This is what I mostly meant about subjective, if you're unable to also like something new for one reason or another, that is on you. I'm not saying that everything new GW produces is the greatest, but I think a lot of otherwise okay kits are derided by the copious amount of hyperbolic whiners that infest any online discussion pertaining to the company.
As for your comments about downsides, that is possible a rules problem of games being too big. I have no idea why those I just referred to above have this notion that price cuts are a miracle solution.
>>46858328
>X-Wing, Infinity, Malifaux, and I believe even Warmachine and Hordes are all games where having two or more armies is a feasible prospect.
So was WHFB and 40k still is. Only poorfags can't build up at least 2 armies
>>46858492
It can be about more than just money, it can be time too.
>>46858539
Fair point.
Though if someone has a half way decent job and even mediocre planning and scheduling skills, they can easily set up enough time to buy, assemble and paint at least one unit every 2 weeks, barring really big projects like some of the stuff from forgeworld.
>>46852971
Wyverns are supposed to be inbred retard dragons not hulking dinoraurs with wings
the best thing about Azhags model was that you couldn't tell who looked dumber, Azhag or his wyvern
I agree that the model looks well done, but not like the greenskin wyverns I know and love
>>46858914
>>46858492
>poorfags
>there are people who legitimately feel superior because they're able and willing to pay far more than the value of a thing
>>46856555
Art being subjective is a meme
>>46852971
why does it have fucking hooves
>>46858914
because it's not a Wyvern but another fucking race ? do you blame horse for not looking like hamsters ?
>>46859044
>dragon ridden by orcs with wings for front arms
>b-but it's not a wyvern it's a maw-crusha™
>>46859134
Moose and deer look pretty similar, guess that makes them the same thing.
>>46859183
This about filling an aesthetic niche not the taxonomy of dragons you retard
>>46859134
I believe that those Maw-crushas are what happens when Smaug gets into bestiality.
>>46859183
we're talking about universe where 16th century Poland is merged with Old Rus, while 11th century arthurian Britain is merged with 13th century romantic France. moose being same thing as deer is least of possible offenses.
You know what?
Fuck this shitty conversation.
New topic: unpopular opinions you have regarding Warhammer.
The Abyssals were stupid as fuck, but I really like this design for Neferata. This is from someone who played the original model, HR Giger fan Neferata is superior to Elvira Mistress Of The Dark Neferata.
I'd have bought a special edition mini in Egyptian dress, but for the tabletop I'll take queen vampire pope.
>>46859327
I like 8th Ed. Empire models. All that over-the-topness. And old discontinued Bret models for the sheer fact they are slightly dispropotionate and completely non-historical.
>>46859327
I liked that design for Neferata as well.
I thought the Abyssals were all right, though I suppose you could say they suffered from having to know their lore to get the most out of their model and not assume that everything on a model is "physical".
>>46839323
WE TURN DOWN FOR NOTHING!
>>46859134
>dragon ridden by orcs
>dragon
okay troll.
>>46858914
you actually got a point
looks too... noble? to be orky
would fit Dwarfs, to be honest
>>46858328
How does Perry not 'have a presence in stores'? The last LGS I went into had dozens of boxes of their stuff.
And no, you are only 'pigeonholes' in an army BECAUSE of how much they cost. Other games let you run multiple factions because its cheaper to do so.
>>46858992
>>there are people who legitimately feel superior because they're able and willing to pay far more than the value of a thing
>implying I said anything that indicates that
I was merely stating facts. And poorfag is just a common term for poor people, like richfag is for rich people, or drawfag is for anons who draw stuff.
Using the suffix -fag is extremely common on 4chan. How new are you that you don't know that?
>>46860421
>doesn't address the statement in any way
>"THE LE OTHER WEBSITE THAT YOU ARE FROM I BET"
>person clearly understood what fagsuffix means
>>46860407
>Other games let you run multiple factions because its cheaper to do so.
That depends, I've seen people in the Warmachine and Hordes threads say before that the idea their games are somehow less expensive is bullshit, though they could have been talking about playing competitively where you need two or three different lists even for one army.
However assuming you don't want to play competitively that sounds to me like you build two or three armies from different factions, not because the kits themselves are inexpensive, but because the requirements to build an army are much smaller.
People seem to be growing tired of the idea that you can't play right away, that a game doesn't really work until you've bought 5+ kits and reached a certain points threshold.
>>46860421
You misunderstood this anon >>46858992
I too am sick of poorfags though, if you're white and live in a first world country there's no excuse for being broke if you don't want too be.
>>46859786
>It's not a dragon it's a wyvern
>>46860875
I guess I did misunderstand him?
What exactly is he trying to say?
>>46861330
He's saying that he dislikes the word poor fag and the idea that people feel superior to others just because they have more money than them.
Then he got passive aggressive about their intellect regarding purchasing power.
tl;dr: He's poor and buttmad about it
>>46860407
Honestly that's why I went High/Wood Elves. When I looked into the lore I realized I could basically use an Avelorn/Ellyrion force for Alarielle/Ariel and Eltharion/Orion.
>>46860875
>I too am sick of poorfags though, if you're white and live in a first world country there's no excuse for being broke if you don't want too be.
I'm not broke, but I refuse to pay more money than plastic toys are worth.
Effect and cause, anon.
Than again, I almost exclusively buy from eBay unless I really fall in love with a model so the point is moot.
>>46861916
>I'm not broke, but I refuse to pay more money than plastic toys are worth
You say that as if there is a fixed value for plastic toys, or any product for that matter.
And what do you mean cause and effect?
>>46863174
The reason I am not broke is because I refuse to pay higher prices for things.
I have 1k disposable income per month because I don't throw money away on expenses that I can get cheaper elsewhere.
>You say that as if there is a fixed value for plastic toys, or any product for that matter.
Are you implying nothing has a set worth?
Do you pay $5 extra for out of season strawberries?
Do you only have one store in your vicinity that sells amenities?
Do you not shop online?
Would you /tg/?
She bathes once every month thanks to her time spent among Bretonnian Knights, and is willing to share her wine.
>>46857235
Well, there are the dracoths and star dragon, both models with stupid posing and each with issues of their own (wing position in the dragon comes to mind). And then the fact that they are monopose. The new boar boyz pack 3 miniatures but there are only 2 different sculpts.
Or the whole sigmarine range, with plenty of poor/lazy design choices, having the ranged, rank&file and elite dudes wear the exact same gear but for the weapon.
>>46858328
>Considering GW sculpts miniatures in heroic style
No. Heroic scale is just a canon, just like you have the greek canon or the dutch canon for proportions. And within that canon, you can have well sculpted things (Khalida) or horrible failures (Beastmen minotaurs, the fyreslayers of fyre).
>Eh, they're using the freedom of a new setting
And that's fine, but it doesn't stop something from looking entirely out of place when placed alongside the existing range. Which is what is happening often lately. It's not "on me" or on anyone for that matter, many of the new kits clash with the older ones, and most weirdly, clash between them. That is sign of poor art direction. You can still like it, but it will still be shit. Like the dragon, dracoths, the orc holding up two beers/landing signs, the lifeless and retarded poses of many duardindongs, and so on.
I enjoy superhero movies but don't kid myself about their quality.
>>46865921
I dunno, Cap 1 was fucking awesome.
Doctor Strange is, I'm willing to bet good money on, going to be god tier.
Okay, so what armies are appropriate to use a Maneater as unit filler and which aren't?
>>46863270
>Are you implying nothing has a set worth?
Yes. All value is conditional, subject to stuff like supply and demand. Nothing has a set value, at least in terms of money and the economy.
Which WHFRP 2e book contains the racial insults?
>>46867149
>Yes. All value is conditional, subject to stuff like supply and demand. Nothing has a set value, at least in terms of money and the economy.
So in other words, the value of Games Workshop models is fairly low not only because you can ucually find almost anything much cheaper than buying new, but there's a LOT of quality alternative miniatures for almost everything at a cheaper price as well.
So in other words, its overpriced shit and just because you have disposable income doesn't excuse you paying premium prices when you don't have to.
Just like someone will look like a retard buying a $500 Kanye West white T-shit no matter how rich they actually are.
>>46870836
>>46871005
A true hero.
>>46871071
That car's front needs to be shopped onto one of those wyverns.
>>46866842
Basically everyone who isn't elves
>>46871173
I beg to differ...
>>46872794
Wood Elves are stretching it. Despite Age, greenskins are too.
Daemons makes no sense, Beastmen either.
Everyone else does.
But anyone else works.
>>46873280
Beastmen make plenty of sense as do greenskins.
For beastmen it's chaos ogre mercenary or ogre who's ambivilent to the chaos gods number million, there are plenty.
For greenskins he's just a small giant along for the ride for the same reasons as them, hell in the first gotrek and felix book they encounter a goblin tribe led by an ogre.
Daemons no
Wood and high elves no, although MAYBE as sea guard filler for high elves.
dark elves...maybe
>>46873871
But Maneaters have to be paid with gold.
Greenskins and Beastmen don't value it.
>>46873928
Well who do think get's to loot it all then?
>>46839095
can i have your bretonnians
>>46873969
Good point.
>>46873280
I don't think bretonnia works?
AFAIR they were even too honourable to hire dogs of war back in the day
>>46852379
I thought it was that guy who payed Blue Table Painting several thousand to paint his Chaos Dwarves and got a drybush over a black basecoat and lazy, airbrushed OSL in return
>>46858914
tfw got an unopened azhag kit in my closet but i have neither the time nor will to assemble and paint it
at least i got it 60% off from the lgs
Hello.
Does anyone has any tweaks/tips how to make Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay games run faster/smoother?
>>46858328
>They and Avatars of War are perfect examples of what I mean by basement businesses with skeleton crews. It's feasibly to charge less when you solely retail via online and don't have to worry about constantly producing and shipping product to keep your retailers in stock.
Small scale production is cheaper than massproduction!?
You learn new things every day!!!
>>46874421
>>46875789
Converting a model to look like a bretonnian doesn't mean it fits fluffwise.
Still looks cool, but
>>46861916
I refuse to pay for fixing my car because i can do it.
How much thousands did you loose in car repairs ? Only dumb people would actually go to a garage.
Value is totally in the eye of the beholder.
>>46861916
it's not matter of wealth. it's matter of principle. I'd rather pay more for delivery so I pay less to the seller, because it's not about spending less, it's about not paying for the actual item more than what the item's worth.
>>46875846
Nor that was the intended meaning. It's just an image, end of.
Fluffwise I think they were in fact able to hire mercenaries, just not the ranged kind, assassins, etc. I'm pretty sure they did have the option to hire the HE Asarnil and his dragon.
I've never played AoS or Fantasy, is there a good summary of the differences between the games? I really want to get into some fantasy miniature painting but the factor of losing fantasy wasn't there for me so I don't really know which to go with (I realise this thread is probably going to be heavily bias)
>>46876102
Nah, just checked the 6ed DoW book:
"Fielding ‘Dogs of War’ units
in other Warhammer armies
Other armies from Ravening Hordes or the Warhammer Armies
books can field units from the Dogs of War list. In general, they
are included in the lists as a Rare choice. In addition, the
following restrictions apply:
Empire, any Chaos, Dark Elves, Skaven, Vampire Counts, Khemri,
Dwarfs, and Lizardmen armies can field any unit from the Dogs
of War army list.
Chaos Dwarfs, Wood Elves, High Elves and Orcs & Goblins can
field any unit from the Dogs of War army list except for Dwarfs.
Bretonnia cannot field Dogs of War at all."
>>46876182
AoS is honestly a bad game ,4 pg of the basic and it had unclear rules, plus all the units tend to have different rules and it needs faqs, and even then it doesn't have an inbuilt balance system and it uses a fan comps to make it somewhat playable. WH fantasy has it's own problems too, depending of the edition magic is too op and needs external comps to make it a better game. GW sucks at games, that isn't new. But if you want to play fantasy first see the local scene or get at least a pair of friends with like minded interest to start your own, in Skirmish size (no units, individuals) exist a fuckton of games, frostgrave is popular, Song of Blades and heroes is easy to learn and very modable with all the expansions, and you can sue any mini you want, Warmhordes is the tournie game (the world is pretty interesting, shame I don't like the over heroic and cartoon like minis) and Malifaux seems to be a very good game but I never tried it, and Wrath of kings has cool minis and an interesting dinamic than I should try some day, also depending of where do you live I'm sure local games would be somewhat popular.
>>46876440
I may have to investigate the scene a lot more heavily. I live in a small city of about 2 million so I may be unlucky. Only group I know runs out of a GW shop.
>>46876680
>Small city of 2 millions.
Are you chinese? 2 millions is plenty of people bro,go to independent shops near you or search the net for like minded bros in your city, I live in a fucking village of less than 2,500 with the nearest "city" of 20.000 is half an hour from me and I found people in there interested tough I don't play games anymore.
>>46876720
Must just be the meme about my state. I've had a lot of trouble finding people, maybe I'm just shit or this place is just full of old people.
>>46876765
OH, you are from the USA then? I'm sure Warmachines is pretty big there, I will wage and say you are from Florida(because old people, like Marbella) I think in they forums you could find like minded people, or the USA tournies for WHFB/Kings of War.
>>46876793
Negative, actually. From Australia, we call them states too. That two million is about the entire population of my state.
>>46876806
makes sense then. the small country I live in is 2 million too, which main city populations quite small, and so there's no FLGSes AT ALL! at least in the capital
>>46876839
We have two GW stores, but all non-GW stores that I find online are eerily quiet post-2010.
>>46876182
It's worth looking into Kings of War now that fantasy is kill
There isn't many threads on /tg/, but it's a fairly popular system. A lot of my friends just use the KoW rules and the Fantasy models and setting for games these days
>>46876806
South Australia or Western Australia?
If you're in WA, Tactics in the city is the main gathering LGS for virtually every kind of traditional game
>>46877100
WA, I may check it out. What days are they usually open on? I was also looking at Outpost 6030 but I have no idea if they're still on because the main post is years old now.
>>46877124
Yeah, Outpost is still kicking. They mostly update on their facebook page.
Tactics are open from 10 or so till the mid afternoon every day of the week. I don't know if they're going to be open tomorrow though, since it's Anzac Day and all
>>46877124
Oh, and it can be a bit hard to find if you don't know what you're looking for. You go down that arcade with all the old stores and with the St George clock out the front until you're almost at St George's Terrace and you should see a set of stairs on the left. Go down those and you'll find it.
>>46877179
I'll check it out on Tuesday, cheers for the help. The guys at GW Fremantle are generally pretty chill, but it's the higher ups that are the issue. Especially as a student with only so much cash to use.
>>46838303
>Puts ALREADY PAINTED as if it's a positive
>Posts a picture of X wing miniatures which have had their shitty regular paint scheme painted over with a decent one.
This post was bad and you should feel bad.
>>46836069
ye. Giant Rats are a cute
Wolf Rats are like big skinny dogs
Plague Monks are smelly but lovable
>>46845195
>implying rat rape didn't happen on an unprecedented scale in the End Times anyway
>>46876198
>Skaven were allowed to field Dwarf mercenaries
are you having a joke-laugh m8
>>46879086
i guess they are fluffed as slaves
>>46879086
Just pasting directly from the book.
Perhaps they had ur-gold? *rolls eyes*
this thread is so dead I'll print it out, roll up into a tube and use as counts-as Nagash
>>46877567
Not him (seriously you are answering a post that is 2 days old) But how is already painted something WORSE than not painted ?
I also play X-wing on top of 9th and there is no downside having things pre painted, given the industrial paintjob is micron thin, you can primer and do whatever you want on those.
It also avoid grey tide vs grey tide
>>46879927
UR-GOLD I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEE GOLD
lol funi dorf mamay ebic shigmar simply ebic xD
