You And I Are A Lot Alike, Cousin. Except I'm A Loyalist, And You're Dead Edition
By the Throne, I'm good at being a loyalist Sub-Edition
Previously on the Horus Heresy General we made attempts to make fluffy 30k psychic powers for the Iron Warriors and one for the BA, people asked how to paint IWs, something stupid happened, questions on Libby Dreads, some Indomitus wearing hate monger shamed Cataphractii and we realized that there has been no Indomitus at all so far in this series, another armor mark debate, the hope that the Emperor doesn't lose the chance to be redeemed as a character was posted, General AdMech and STC talk was had, and Iron Warrior record keeping was discussed. See it all in the old thread >>46799555
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First for the new Space Wolves. Who else plans to make an army of the Rout?
>>46832313
Yiff in hell
second for vorax best robot on the market buy two get the third free call your friends drop by Scoria Automata Dealership today today only
>>46832313
>Literally didn't even get Helmets
>Wolf heads plastered all over the
>"M-muh FW is gonna be so much better than the lame old GW g-guys..."
>>46832334
yessssssssssssss
>>46832289
Friendly pointer to this one, as I did not realise the last thread was allready sinking.
>>46832310
>>46832313
I will only consider this after I read their rules and they hopefully drop some helmet variants for them and their own dreadnought.
Love their colours though.
Local store holding a sale on Calth sets, 85$ a pop. Fuck.
I didn't care for them at first, but the plastic MKIV are really nice for modding stuff. Cheapo beakies, Y/N?
Going to need more MKVI helmets.
>>46832442
Get it. You'll need it for something at some point.
>>46832442
>>46832448
If not, resell the parts.
Seems worth it.
>>46832347
Got picks of the upgrade set?
>>46832771
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Mk-II-Shoulder-Pads
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Mk-III-Shoulder-Pads
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Mk-IV-Shoulder-Pads
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Mk-IV-Torsos-Upgrade-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Space-Wolves-Upgrade-Set
>>46832790
They still look better than those faggotyiffmarines GW puts out. Even without heads.
>>46832962
Dont be so hostile, they were good back in the day.
Then the Wolf-time began.
Post video game music that fits with a Primarch.
>Horus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bLdjl65jAB8
>>46832442
I guess I am an armour mk fag now.
Disgusting mix of mkvi and mkiv you've got there... With an antique bolter to boot.
>>46833869
Its the "non production" line variant MKV heresy pattern armour.
I liked how they talked about the classification difference in Book 6.
>>46833945
>I liked how they talked about the classification difference in Book 6
What page? I'd love to read that shit.
>>46833945
I didn't really get that, was it saying there was the classic MKV being mass produced, and the weird mismatched armours also counted as MKV?
>>46832334
>not even a custom blinged out arlatax with spinning rims, an oversized spoiler, and a flaming hot paint job
Used automata salesmen digust me.
>>46834145
>Here I have a bits box - if you manage to make a functioning armour out of it you get a MkV free!
>>46832962
The knot work on the armor looks cool.
Wonder if they are waiting to release crazy leather knot work helmets or something.
>>46834256
Fair enough, makes enough sense.
What is the nobbly MKV then? is it just stripped back armour with bonding studs all over it to stop it falling apart?
>>46834256
>>46834145
>>46834117
Exactly!
Sorry, don't remember the exact page.
>>46834290
Bonding studs already existed before MkV, but the cobbled up together armour was usually so flimsy (some parts didn't quite fit) that reinforcement was recommended. That's why it almost always has bonding studs all over it.
Strangely, I almost never saw bonding studs on the "muh reinforced" Mk3. Because it was done allright to begin with ;^)
>>46834366
I think you are right on the money with the MKIII thesis.
Why knob it up if it necessary?
>>46834435
Why thank you
>>46834448
My favourite is MKII though with some of the fancier MKIV variants like the EC or BA ones.
As was said in the last thread:
Techno-barbarian aesthetic is rad.
Or sleek and refined, both show the wierd difference between functional designs and the ideas of the mechanicum.
>>46834448
Quite the stud, that Death Guard.
>Would drink poison with/10
>>46834448
Same anon. See those bumps all over the armour? I've always thought those were rivets holding the extra plates together. What if they are bonding studs? They are some sort of super "molecular" rivets, after all. Not the same as a fully coated helmet, but it's certainly a thing
>>46834492
Tnx m8
So I saw a pic of a DG with the 40k chaos backpack a while back, when did those get in use?
>>46833869
Gangsters rock Umbra pattern, fool.
>>46834484
I don't quite agree with techno barbarian blanche looks, but I do like the original Mk2, the Veteran's choice.
I like Mk3 the most because it's the Veteran's +1 armour...armour, though.
>>46834500
I ask myself if you could buy these and add regular backpacks to make more dynamic Despoilers.
Would that look wierd?
Also an anon in some of the older posts thought about magnetising jump-jets and regular backpacks to have assaults/tacs on demand.
Sounds like a good idea if you could only order those backpacks seperately.
>>46834518
Apparently they had more shebang in the long ends to help stabilise stuff in void operations.
Was an on demand thing throughout the heresy probably, as the armour was MKII or III if I remember correctly.
Points towards early usage.
>>46834537
True that, but I would love to see some return to more Blanch-y options.
Just as a possibility, some really wierd kits for cults or militias.
>>46833945
Wasn't it also stated that the MKVI helmet prototypes were first seen on MKIV armour, and that it essentially was just a tricked out variant of the MKIV helmet?
That's basically just a justification for the FW Raven Guard bits, but it should still be good.
>>46833945
>MkV gets thrown under the bus
How can you have an armour mark that has no uniformity? Why not just call it Eastern Fringe Customs, battlefield repaired, etc.? Why throw it into the same lot as the MkV, which was built with a design in mind?
>>46834927
Well, it is a nice explanation for beakies.
And beakies are love and life, as is known.
>>46835010
As was said, there is PRODUCTION MKIV which is the one we all know and love and cobbled together field fuck ups that are called, for histories sake, also heresy pattern armour.
Two in one category.
>>46835031
It's not heresy armour, it's armour heresy.
>for histories sake
Aren't the FW books written by a contemporary, so shouldn't they use period correct classifications?
>>46835031
You probably mean "production MkV", right?
>>46832790
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Space-Wolves-Terminator-Conversion-Set
Well, now I won't feel bad about putting cruxes on my terminators.
>>46835089
They're actually written just after the heresy. Probably a little before the Scourge. They also say that their work won't ever be complete, or completely accurate, "not even if their order were to survive 10k years".
Keke
>>46835095
Yeah.
>>46835089
Exactly, armour heresy.
>>46834518
>>46834567
Yup. I think the addition in the background is neat, since the CSM kit has had those backpacks for a while.
>>46835113
Couldn't you always put cruxes on your ANYTHING, including Terminators? Cruxes were a thing that already existed (it's the Elites Icon after all). Only after the Emperor's ascention did they included a speck of his armour on the crux, but the actual thing already existed.
>>46835190
Shit I forgot
"Death Guard Legionary Caipha Morarg, 24th Breacher Squad, 2nd Great Company; note the Mark III Iron Pattern Power Armour utilising a prototype Anvilus Pattern backpack unit."
>>46835113
This triggers me.
>>46835113
That's an old 40k kit though. They just re-released it along with the 30k SW stuff
As long as we're talking armor, would the Legion shoulder pads replace the studded pad on MK IV? I started building my Tacticals, got the Legion pad on the left arm, other side seems a little plain though. Would it be "wrong" to have one side Legion, other sided studded?
>>46835375
That should be ok, either side studded is fine.
>>46835375
Totally fine, in book 6 they have a guy with one half of his plate factory mechanicum issue (and grey) the other in black.
Also, its still totally ok, just have it be uniform to your guys.
Stranded on a space station and later freed by a rogue trader?
Cobbled together armor?
MKV Blackshields/Legion survivors reporting in.
How exactly does the Chain Fire work?
The rule says you may keep firing until you miss. And that thanks to Gunslinger, he can fire two pistols at once. So do I roll two die at once, one for each weapon, and once one misses, the Chain Fire stops? Or do I fire one weapon until it stops and then the other? What about the FAQ plasma pistol ruling, which says that if I roll 1 or 2, the Chain Fire attack immediately ends. Does this mean no more attack even with the other pistol?
>>46835367
It's listed in the HH section under SW kits. If they didn't mean you to be able to use it in 30k, maybe not put it there?
>>46832289
Thread theme, this time around
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NMSe3f39Dhg
>>46835527
My nigga.
>>46835527
Where my loyalists at?
>>46835242
So you're a bolter?
>>46835592
I am here, Brother.
>>46835497
Yes but it predates the current plastic SW terminator box which came out in....2009?
>>46835444
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Betrayal_FAQ_Errata_V2.pdf
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
You shoot a pistol first, you miss, then you use the other pistol. If you have a plasma pistol, then be a sane person and use it last. If your Moritat uses TWO plasma pistols, it is a direct nerf and you're equipping him wrong. As such, give him only one plasma pistol (to be used for last) and another kind of pistol, like his regular bolt pistol.
Do remember you can still chain fire with only one pistol.
>>46835649
BA Moritat with Melta-Pistols sound SO fun.
>>46835592
Battered but still standing, and serving the Emperor's cause.
>>46835672
>Inferno Moritat sounds fun
>Then you remember you have to first get within the inferno pistol's 6" range.
>Then you remember you can't allocate wounds that happen beyond 6", even if you do score them.
>tfw FW won't nerf inferno moritats because they're nerfed on their own.
>>46835672
Not quite as fun as Kaedes Nex.
That's a nice Primarch led Deathstar you have there, shame if something were to happen to it.
>>46835444
Choose a target.
Choose your first Pistol.
Fire your first Pistol until you miss.
Gather up all your hits with the first Pistol and resolve them.
Shoot your second pistol in exactly the same way as the first.
Never buy 2 Plasma Pistols and always fire it second. Most people will recommend a Volkite to start with, and then switch to the Plasma second until it overheats and ends your shooting phase.
Blood Angel Moritats get complicated but most peoplewho aren't gitswill say dual Inferno Pistols for a torrent of crispy death,
>>46835633
If they didn't want people to put cruxes on terminators in 30k, maybe not put cruxes into the 30k kit with no alternatives?
>>46835721
> Reminder that Kaedes does not Infiltrate and as such, is completely entitled to Turn 1 Assaults.
>>46835721
Is he that good?
Please elaborate on it for me, I am a scrub.
>>46835713
I did not know that, sounds gnarly.
Two Volkites it is then!
I also learned to like destroyer Squads, they are pretty cool.
>>46835592
For Terra, for Caliban!
>>46835755
>Wanting to assault with a Moritat instead of Chain firing rending shots against his designated prey
Okm8
>>46835735
>Gather up all your hits with the first Pistol and resolve them.
Where does it say this? I mean, shouldn't you just tally up the hits from the first, then the second, then proceed to wounding? It's not like if I had a unit bolters and plasma guns, that I could first use bolter to soften up the target unit and then use the plasma to wound guys further in. Shouldn't all shooting attacks from a unit be resolved simultaneously?
Chain Fire only talks about rolling to hit. So I can understand one rolling and rolling to hit as many times as you want until you miss, but where in the rules does it then tell you to go to rolling to wound before bringing the second pistol?
>>46835765
You can give him 2 volkites and an inferno pistol for when you come up against armour or high save units.
The centurion, after all, comes with a pistol and CCW and Moritat upgrade gives him an additional bolt pistol. Meaning he has two bolt pistols and a CCW. And you can trade any of them for guns.
>>46833267
Not video game music, but pretty sure its been used in a game trailer at some point.
>Fulgrim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc
I could totally imagine this playing in the short time between having decapitated his best friend , and then accepting the daemons offer to relief the pain
>>46832313
I'm already making an army. Also, I'm rather disappointed that the Space Wolves upgrade set doesn't come with helmets. The chestpiece is so subtle that it wont stand out when there is a bolter in front of it. Also, the runic armour doesn't jive too well with the regular MK4 helmets. I think I will just stick with the plastic Citadel upgrade sprues that I have been using. The result looks almost the same as what FW is doing.
>>46835765
>May be deployed anywhere within 18" of an enemy elite or HQ of your choice
>Rending pistols with 18" range
>Also concussive because fuck you
>BS6
The man can do unholy things to infantry and AV13 or lower.
>>46835877
Ooooh!
Nice!
>>46835929
Gnarly.
>>46835592
Kill for the living!
Only 10 models away from a completely painted Luna Wolves army. Feels good
>>46836159
Oh, impressive.
Progress pictures would be welcome.
>>46835929
>11 marks on the kill tally
RUBBISH
>>46836199
Got work but after I'm off I'll post progress
>>46835609
Heh, you made me chuckle.
>>46835785
He said loyalists, you know.
>>46835915
SW helmets will be released later, I bet.
>>46836227
Thanks!
>>46836302
I ask myself what their wolf rule will be.
Maybe something about accurate senses to divide them from the Luna Wo...Sons of Horus?
>>46836302
I'm actually wondering if GW might release plastic MKIII and FW is just preparing for that? The Space Wolves upgrade pack looks like it was made with the MKIII in mind with all the matching bolts to go with it.
>>46836357
The word is that they will get their own list or something due to Space Wolves unique army organisation.
>>46836366
well half of the upgrade sets FW is putting in their BaC upgrade are their MK3 kits.
>>46836391
OUTRAGE!
I wnant a special list for EVERY legion now!
Jokes aside, it makes sense.
Same for Thousand Sons.
Somehow I believe that brotherhood of psykers shenanigans could make them the most popular legion.
>>46836366
>>46836417
they just dont write anymore that it is for specific armour to not make people feel sad about buying BAC.
>>46835765
I'll never undertand why Destroyers are equipped with two bolt pistols, when their job is to kill giant roach-xenos
>B-but we have rad grenades! We shall destr-
You don't want to engage giant roaches in melee, CHILD! Srsly, you're not John Wayne in space!
>John who?
Forget it, Moritat fanboy, you're far too young to know about him. The Rad-missile bearer is doing all the work anyway, you're just an ablative wound. There, I said it.
>>46836357
>>46836366
The plot thickens.
>>46836391
>Space Wolves unique army organisation.
How were they unique pre-heresy/during the heresy? I feel they got more unique post heresy when they told Gillyman and the Codex to go fuck itself.
>>46836391
i doubt it. im betting theyll just get wulfen and some TWC equivalent
>>46836449
Whoops. Fixed
>>46836463
I doubt they will get wulfen, but it's not impossible. They will surely get Wolf Guard, and wooden combat shields.
>>46836417
I'm just speculating. It's kinda odd that they didn't make any special heads considering that everyone else got them.
>>46835592
BURN THE LIVING! BURN THE DEAD!
...that's pretty close right?
>>46836449
>>46836469
I agree, two bolt pistols is a bit wierd.
>>46836469
Moritat wannabe looks like he's doing that white boy move where they hold their elbows to their sides, make guns with their hands and move them back and forth while leaning with their pelvis forward
>>46836461
>How were they unique pre-heresy/during the heresy? I feel they got more unique post heresy when they told Gillyman and the Codex to go fuck itself.
No idea. I seem to recall that Long Fangs were mentioned in the BL books and that's a specific unit they have in 40k instead of Devestator Squads. But BL also fucks up every now and then.
Maybe FW has something special in mind?
>>46836536
>I doubt they will get wulfen
in that new yiff book with the new wulfen they said that the 'weapons' the wulfen can take are 10k year old artifacts russ had made specifically for wulfen, or some shit.
i get the feeling they are gonna yiff it up in 30k 2bh
Finished my Night Raptor squad which marks the end of phase one for my NL army.
>>46836609
Ah yes, the MkIV pattern Pelvic Thrust.
>>46836536
I always figured the wooden shield had a built in shield generator in it.
>name one change to your army you'd like
Dark Angels
Anyone who can take a combi-weapon as an option may take a plasma repeater for anow additional points cost.
>>46836657
Of course it does, but srsly. Wooden power shield.
>>46836716
Alpha Legion
If Headhunter Kill Teams could be just a liiiiittle cheaper, and with better weapon options, that'd be just great.
>>46836716
Plasma repeater: Salvo (2-3) 12"/18".
I mean, if we already have Torrent (18") why cant we have Salvo 12"/18"? Otherwise its range sucks.
>>46836552
Neat, how do/would you paint the Rams?
>>46836761
I totally agree with cheaper but what weapons would you like to see? For their roll they have access to what they need.
>>46836645
Ooooh, I recognise the bald guy in the right squad with his chain-glaive.
You are spooky, pale,black eyed bald night Lord anon...aren't you?
Please deliver unto me some better close up pictures!
looks very good but a bit wobbly.
>>46836716
Some way to add more chem to the death guard.
On a similar vein, what would be a good non-nurglite non-Dusk raiders name for a Death Guard company. That is also not like Death dealers or stuff like it? Plz
>>46836743
Well, I remember in the old William King book that wood was actually a rarity on Fenris because of how unstable the planet crust is. So a lot of islands ends up sinking or volcanic activity ruins the local environment. So the trees don't have long periods to grow.
So it could be viewed as a " fucking cool as shit" status items by the Space Wolves.
>>46836799
Really I just want more than one Banestrike Heavy Bolter. I'm petty that way.
>>46836645
Ave Donginus Vox brother
I got my Terror Squad heads from FW yesterday, gonna build up a squad over the weekend hopefully. Also got a Ophion conversion in the works.
Can you post some squad pictures? They look really brilliant.
>>46836892
Yeah. A banestrike bolter per each 5 dudes.
>>46836905
>Donginus
Fucking spilled by drink m8
>>46836820
Names are hard. I was asking my gfs for help with naming my stuff and she kept suggesting existing names or close enough to existing names. She knows nothing of the fluff so I thought it would be good to get a fresh perspective, I just ended up laughing because everything she said already existed. She suggested mortus, remus, abaddon and horus by herself going off my instructions of old gods, deathy stuff and roman names.
>>46836840
Wow, the Rout were severily misunderstood and few truly knew. But it's their own fucking fault by not speaking gothic anyway.
>>46836807
Yeah, my phone is a bit on the shitty side.
>>46836951
That's a disturbing amount of antitank. What's your points limit?
>>46836925
That's sonettens I like about my Space Wolves. I can use Norse language, history and mythology as an easy reference. Since my oww Swedish language is a Norse language I also have an easy time making pun based names like Harald Blåhand.
>>46836905
ophion is that super loyal and steadfast guy who is ironically named the traitor right?
I like that traitors got a cool guy for once and all the awesome old guard is not only reserved for loyalists.
>>46836951
No worries.
Man, this is nice.
How many points are these?
>>46836982
What's a Harald Blahand? I speak spanish, so almost all GW & FW's attempts at pseudo latin sound pretty much like spanish to me.
>>46836974
I'm aiming for 3000 pts but that's still quite far. Next phase will consist of a heavy support squad, a tactical support squad, meltabomb veteran squad, apothecaries and ICs.
>>46837000
>>46836951
Ps:
Skin-head is super creepy,dude.
Are you, by the way, the" no-primarchs and named characters" NL guy?
>>46836982
>That's something I like*
Ducking autocorrect. It has made me lazy.
>>46837011
How would you kill a Spartan and a pavaise Deredeo?
>>46837019
>Are you, by the way, the" no-primarchs and named characters" NL guy?
How did you know?
>>46837003
Harald Blatand was a Norse king. The name can be directly translated to Harald Bluetooth, although, it's probably supposed to be Bloodtooth.
>>46837029
Meltabombs, I hope. I know it's far from optimal but I like going fluffy instead of optimal.
>>46837050
k. It wasn't a critic, I just wanted to know how did you solve the anti-armour issue. Night lord forces tend to be rather limited on antitank solutions.
>>46837092
if i ran NL id just run kraken missile lightnings for anti tank 2bh
>>46837108
But what about Deredeos intercepting the fragile Lightnings?
>>46837035
I guessed a bit.
Talked to you in both of your "forms" and probably remembered that you talked about taking Chain-Glaives for NL if you can.
More importantly you said your guys were a terror regiment and it looked like these guys were pretty well painted and modelled so it could fit the fluff preference you showed earlier.
All in all, still a guess as most probably run terror assault.
Still nice to see that we have sort of a base of people.
I am one of the Luna Wolves guys, who got help in chosing between these three beauties.
Still working on my back-log and browsing bitz sites, but will finaly start ordering the first stuff when my pay-check arrives.
>>46837138
I gotta say that the Viking chestpiece and the Roman helmet crest is kind of an odd mix.
>>46837126
just try to stay out of LoS. also its not like 1 dorito can shoot down 2 lightnings with intercept, and nobody is running double dorito.
>>46837214
Oh, fucking kek!
>>46836776
something like pic related, probably. burnished metallic tone for most of the body with some yellow and black accents. just enough that they don't end up looking like the early IFs or IWsalso it looks like firefighting gear
>>46837214
Ahahaha.
I just did not have a bigger picture available.
I have a soft spot for the pre-primarch legions.
>>46837260
Hard to imagine this on the Auxilia right now.
Would go for a bit more brass, this looks to greenish/yellow.
>>46836920
>Fucking spilled by drink m8
Glad someone appreciates my shit attempts at humour.
>>46837000
>ophion is that super loyal and steadfast guy who is ironically named the traitor right?
Pretty much, not sure about the traitor part thought. He and Sevatar stayed behind defending ships from the Dark Angels, while the other captains ran away like true Night Lords. He isn't respected by the other guys because he leads from the front.
A pretty cool guy in my opinion, hence why I'm making a small Night Lords army around him. His shield is neat too.
>>46837246
>just try to stay out of LoS
The green circle shows the range of a Plasma Deredeo, 36" radius circle
>Nobody is running double dorito
:^)
>>46837218
Spot on mate.
>>46837313
Ugh, I meant "The Cowardd".
Why is it not worthy to lead from the front?
Do they think he has to much fun slaughtering dudes?
>>46837337
kraken missiles are 36" range too... and they are aiming for your spartan. hope you parked the dorito directly on top of it, because if i can stay 37" away from the dorito and still stay within 36" of the spartan then its gone :^)
>>46836366
Solid plate over the torso isn't MkIII only. For example MkIV assault marines come with a similar plate over the cabling. And, at least in the old fluff, MkV suits could be fitted with similar plate for additional protection. I think the plastic GW BA tactical and Death Company boxes come with a MkIV torso that has a similar plate look without the cabling. I used them for artificer armour upgrades.
>>46837441
That chest plating is fuckin' sexual.
>>46837441
I guess that makes sense. I can only hope that they get helmets later.
>>46835592
For the Primarch-Progenitor!
>>46836716
MAKE ROGAL DORN RELENTLESS JESUS FUCK AAAAAAAAH!
>>46837371
Oh, I see.
Well, Night Lords being Night Lords, are a bunch of cowards who hates fair fights and prefers to overwhelm and bully easy targets, with some flaying just for fun. Leading from the front usually get you killed, and Night Lords are not about heroic deaths, but they are survivors who will use every dirty trick in the book to either win or simply get away with their own life intact.
That's the way I see it at least.
>>46837218
Ya'll niggas need more late Roman legionaries.
I love it. I've been working on making my SW with that aesthetic in mind. Late Roman to early medieval. Mix of the civilized Imperial and the barbaric Celtic.
Which legions do best at podding in a leviathan or two along with some extra troops?
>>46837549
Thats a shame, Opheon should have been part of another legion then.
>>46837552
Or germanic.
They relied heavily on german auxilaries.
>>46837552
I did one of my Space Wolves Sergeants in the Roman style because I felt like it was a waste to not use the pieces on at least one model. I justified it by deciding that he was one of the early Terran Space Wolves.
>>46835592
Are we late to the party? Hello fellow Loyalists.
>>46836716
WE
fix caedere weapons and rampagers they both are pointless
>>46837568
Yeah, but it gives him character thought, he's the black sheep in the family.
>>46837607
>Tfw I will never gett all of these snakes out of my boot.
>>46837608
Oh god yes, please help WE.
They need it.
Just driving the traitor apothecari/inducti/rage train is lackluster as it limits cool list variants.
>>46837396
The battle plan is to have the Plasma Doritos forward and to the sides. Draw a box on the center map and keep your stuff at worst on its edges. 2 Doritos allow you to push one forwards while the other covers for you. For Extreme AA® and that sort of exaggeration you can let them keep their autocannons, place them on the back with good field of vision and give them the ignores-LOS AP3 missiles. They'll feel like artillery, but it's not like we IW care about that.
Oh, the missiles are 60" of fun :^)
>>46837371
>>46837549
Night lords are mere super human bullies.
>>46837629
I heard good stuff about the NL books.
Apparently they have a lot of character.
>>46837587
Something like that. The officers would be very decorative and mimicking Imperial aesthetics with plumes, robes, laurels and aquilas, while common troops would be in more simplistic and medieval equipment. Even working on making vexillas as aquilifer (carried the imperial Roman eagle on a pole) and imaginifers (carried the image of the emperor to remind the apes who they serve) of the Roman legion.
>>46837666
Poor IW.
Allways get dealt a shit hand.
>>46837608
>>46837645
The only good thing about WE are their Butchers (who get fucked up in cost by regular fist termies, btw). Now that EC and NL utterly dominate melee there's no place in 30k for the WE.
>>46837699
I KNOOOOOOOOOW >:(
>>46837718
I like the buff to EC, but it feels shitt that Angrons guys are left behind.
>Tfw martial perfection.
>>46837666
Dickheads.
>>46837784
Actually might mean that NL are some of the most survivable warbands.
Fuck shit up, vanish and giggle.
>>46837758
>EC attacks at I5
>Loyalists WE get their shit kicked in, FURTHER ROLL A 4+ and gain RAGE
>As in, gain Rage while in an ONGOING combat
mfw
>>46837699
>>46837741
>>46837869
loyalist WE are unplayable
2bh the only way to run WE is with berzerker assault, we are forced to take berzerker assault since we NEED hatred.
>>46837810
> Fuck shit up, vanish and giggle.
You rang?
>>46837883
Got shit handed to us, both on the fluff and on the tabletop. Give me strenght, Vhalen! Dantioch!!
>>46837883
Too bad you have a spastic for a Primarch
>>46837889
>>46837869
At least you get Haas.
>>46837921
Golg might not be as cool, but terminator orbital assault is baller.
>>46837966
He isn't any worse then most of them. The only primarchs you can really consider level headed are vulkan and guiliman.
>mfw select all images with popcorn
>>46837606
> Took one look at what the Primarch was doing to his beloved Legion
> Didn't want nothing to do with that shit
Endryd Haar approves
>>46837883
Iron warriors aren't about fancy legion-unique artificer garbage
Mass-produced factory standard gear all day long.
>>46838056
The recruits are wearing long hair and beard, no helmet and speak fenrisian all the time while punching each other on the shoulder.
>Life is suffering.
>>46838099
This guy gets it.
>>46838014
Oh I'm not complaining about the actual crunch, just the models. We do have great special characters and Iron Havocs AND good RoWs after all.
It's like Inverse World Eaters, if you think about it. Not like theirs is a joy ride, though.
>>46838099
The Dread is cobbled up from destroyer Dread parts
I accept that
The heads aren't too outlandish and actually do make sense
I can accept that too
BUT WHY THE FUCK DO WE HAVE A STAR UNIFORM AS OUR ARTIFICER-WROUGHT LEGION TORSO?
>Perturabo gave a choice to those to be decimated
>"Wear the star uniform or get beaten to death!"
>Noregrets.jpeg.
>>46838240
>Not wanting to wear a one star goku uniform and fight against clothes
>>46837758
>tfw EC still suck at winning HQ challenges because everyone else has better wargear and rules
>Blood Angels get a generic sword that is better than a paragon blade and wound better
>Salamanders get EW and storm shields
>Imperial Fists get storm shields and reroll hits of 1 in challenges, as well as access to EW
>SoH get EW and +1 Toughness terminator armour
I mean EC are a decent legion, but I would gladly lose some competitiveness if I wasn't always wrecked in challenges.
>>46838414
>EC complaining about sucking in challenges when they get to strike first with a paragon blade or get to instagib people with eidolon
>>46838414
>mfw I kill you before you even get to swing
>Cataphractii primus gives you +1Toughness against shooting, not against melee
>Eidolon slaps you at I7 with S8 AP2
Ah you want to include relics?
>Praetor blocks all attacks with his 2++
>The rest of his unit kills yours
>Your EW gets overrun
>Psssh, nothing personal kid.
Your legion-specific isn't some silly Pinning AP6 Heavy bolter, learn to complain, child.
>>46838240
I have a theory that it was designed for hobbyists. Iron warriors have the most basic scheme. They are basically necron tier of painting requirements. I think they decided to give stars so that the metal looks gleaming when stared at. It's arrangement of flat planes best suited for reflections. More plates would just look like copy of earlier mks and skull would make it too punisher like or too night lordy.
>>46838240
what did FW mean by this?
was the goal to make something worse than power weapons for more points?
>>46838503
I like the idea of using their relic definsively, as in binding enemy dudes instead of killing them.
Somehow I have to imagine EC swarming the opponent with that tactic while performing the famous french laugh.
>Hon Hon Hon
Seriously, that tactic is disgusting.
You deny enemy challenge monsters theit statisfaction.
Would it work against Sigismund?
On a run of the mill EC praetor?
Never thought about that
>>46837532
Why would you need relentless for wall hugging?
>>46838794
Because he's like the only primarch that can't both shoot AND assault, having a Salvo bolter.
Even Guilliman's bolter is an Assault weapon, as it should.
>>46838454
>>EC complaining about sucking in challenges when they get to strike first with a paragon blade
I don't get why anyone thinks a paragon blade is a great weapon.
7 attacks with a master-crafted paragon, WS 6 EC vs a WS 5 (sonic shriekers) generic praetor with a power fist, paragon blade, and iron halo
>7 attacks for EC
>5.333 hits
>0.888 instant death wounds
>3.555 normal wounds
>0.444 unsaved instant death wounds
>1.777 unsaved normal wounds
>Generic praetor swings back with 5 attacks with a power fist
>2.5 hits
>2.083 wounds
>1.042 unsaved wounds
EC praetor dies to instant death
Not to mention that instant death can be countered by Salamanders, Imperial Fists, and SoH.
>or get to instagib people with eidolon
Eidolon is great, but I would like to have remotely useful generic characters like Salamanders and Fists get
>>46838503
>2++ invul
Have fun with a whopping 5 AP 3 attacks
>The rest of his unit kills yours
So clearly you aren't facing any unit of two wound terminators which EC have no way of killing in CC
>>46838755
>Would it work against Sigismund?
No, anon. Nothing works against Sigismund.
>I bought Sevatar as my first ever 40k model
>buddy starts IF and brings Sigismund
>mfw I will never strike at I7 and 5+ Rending Instant Death a fool
>>46838836
>Even Guilliman's bolter is an Assault weapon, as it should.
Definitive proof that Robute Guilliman supports the wholesale murder of innocent babies.
Yet more proof that opposition to the Codex Astartes was both correct and justified.
>>46838925
*first ever 30k model, fuck
>>46838755
>Would it work against Sigismund?
Even if Sigismund didn't kill you after a single round (unlikely as he forces invul saves to be rerolled, rerolls 1s to hit in CC, and causes instant death, and wounds on a 2+) Sigismund is fearless so he would just tie up your unit until you broke, ran out characters to challenge him (have to issue challenges), or everyone ganged up on him while chanting "la la la I can't hear you this is really single combat."
>>46838836
But my point stands: If you're going to hug walls, you might as well just shoot xor assault anyway.
>>46838913
>I don't get why anyone thinks a paragon blade is a great weapon.
yeah i dont get why people think that a +1 strength ap2 at initiative weapon that instant deaths on 6's is good...
I was thinking about Boatmurdered today, but then I thought abou how each Primarch would run a Dorf fort in a succession style. I can imagine them modding the game to bring Elephants, Carp, and Sponges back to the levels they were famous form and then some plus any aliens/wildlife they encountered during the Crusade in.
>yfw Fulgrim/Perturabo/Angron/Curze/Alpharius ran fortress
>>46839010
Instant death on sixes isn't good. With seven attacks against a guy with the same WS and a 4+ invul you stand a whopping 25.7% chance of scoring an instant death hit and him failing his invulnerable save. I would gladly swap the ID on sixes for and additional +1 strength or causes two wounds for each successful wound roll.
>>46839175
>I would gladly swap the ID on sixes for and additional +1 strength or causes two wounds for each successful wound roll.
>i would gladly trade ID on 6's for some blatantly broken bullshit
ok?
>>46838753
The Meteor Hammer is the one I've seen used most. Even when the AP isn't great, there's something to be said for a charge with 4 S6/I5 attacks.
> Excoriator is a Power Axe. Shred is better than being one-handed but not the AP hit.
> Hook Lash is a Power Maul. Fleshbane is not enough to cancel 2-handed and AP5 when you already had S6.
> Falax are fishing for 6's. Only intended for Challenges but lack the reliability to win while costing the same.
>>46838977
The idea is to have the 2++ soak it up, but this rerolling of saves makes it harder..
Still think it could work in other environments.
Tie up his big guy while your +1ini taticals slap the enemy unit and then shank the guy in the challenge.
Thanks again for the idea,anon!
>>46838913
Both Fulgrim and Alpharius could do any kind of combat, and Perturabo has the whole "I bet you can't fill these trenches with your boy's corpses" fortress.
About Angron doing anything other than "Fuck it, we do it melee!", yeah, you're spot on.Curze is behind you, and already planted a bomb on your mom's house
>>46838977
>>46839229
You could bring a Palatine blade squad and get his stuck on challenges
However, surplus wounds now spill onto the unit, so, all in all, being an not-Scoria enemy and existing near Sigismund is overall a bad idea.
>>46839199
>+2 strength swords are blatantly broken shit
Well blood angels paragon blades are effectively that
>2 wounds for each successful wound is OP
Maybe so but blood angels can give random champions and centurions those at the cost of being two handed and user strength (effectively +1 strength)
>>46839280
well the BA are broken, in case their millions of assault cannons didnt give that away.
>>46839265
I think the idea is that
>Fists don't have two wound terminators (what palatines struggle against)
>Champions can take the 2++ sword
>Even if the champion dies he will absorb several wounds
So I think if you did want to kill Sigismund in CC (probably wouldn't recommend it) my suggestion would be to
>Take a squad of palatines with phoenix spears with your praetor and a cheap champion with just the special 2++ sword
>Charge Sigismund, challenge him with the champion and use the sword in 2++ mode
>Sigismund's unit is utterly rekt and Sigismund either fails to kill the champion or kills the champion and like one palatine
>Next round use a random palatine to challenge Sigismund, challenge palatine, praetor, and sigismund all strike at the same time
>If sigismund survives from the praetor the rest of the palatines might be able to cut him down by virtue of having so many wounds even if they are AP 3
Other ideas are to give the palatine a power fist and possibly throw in another fist champion, in that situation sigismund might die just after killing the 2++ sword champion.
>>46838913
>Have fun with a whopping 5 AP 3 attacks
He's not meant to kill anything, the squad behind him is to stab everyone and overrun them by virtue of the EC's multiple boosts to combat resolution.
>So clearly you aren't facing any unit of two wound terminators which EC have no way of killing in CC
Woah, didn't I just said Butchers are the WE's only saving grace? Not to mention Deathshroud on the offensive are scary, nothing can kill PF/SS Firedrakes, and Justaerin are quite possibly the best legion specific in the game.
I'm working on a way to deal with 2W. I call it "Medusae/Vindicators".
>>46836716
>LW/SoH
May take Drop Pods as DT standard without a RoW
>>46839335
Do you really think +2 strength is THAT OP though? Regardless it doesn't counter my point that the initiative bonus of EC is useless in praetor vs praetor challenges as one has a low chance of killing a praetor outright even if they don't have a 3++, T 5, or eternal warrior.
>>46836820
Phosphex artillery. ALL OF THE PHOSPHEX
At what point level and how playable is Corax?
>>46839386
>Do you really think +2 strength is THAT OP though?
yes a +2 strength ap2 weapon at initiative is broken.
>Regardless it doesn't counter my point that the initiative bonus of EC is useless in praetor vs praetor challenges as one has a low chance of killing a praetor outright even if they don't have a 3++, T 5, or eternal warrior.
first thing first, relics arent even relevant since they are permission based now.
the initiative bonus isnt isnt useless when even according to your own math you are doing over 2 wounds on average before they even get to swing on you.
>>46836925
>gfs
>>46839363
>EC's multiple boosts to combat resolution
No, specific units and characters have boosts to combat resolution, particularly three, Fulgrim who is a primarch, an overcosted dreadnought with crappy wargear and the most overcosted terminators who are unnecessarily fast (Phoenix Guard on the charge are I 7 in challenges). We aren't talking about basic ways to boost combat resolution, each of the specific investments cost 175-380 points minimum.
I mean making a Fulgrim/Phoenix Guard force as the core of a melee army is great, but it is hardly a solution to EC being decidedly meh in challenges in general.
>>46839359
Imperial Fists do have Storm shield termies, though, so watch out - a full palatine phoenix spear unit is doing only 4.5 Wounds to the fists unit.
>Next round use a random palatine to challenge Sigismund, challenge palatine, praetor, and sigismund all strike at the same time
I'm not sure keeping Siggy in a challenge is a good idea, as you'll only make him reroll to hits of 1 and stuff.
Not like you have any advantage in an ongoing combat, though. Phoenix spears not only devolve into AP3 after all, but also lose the strenght bonus, and you still havent dealt with the termies.
>>46837138
That was a hard choice for me. I picked Luna Wolves but I sometimes dream of my hounds.
>>46839539
SO MANY DREAMS LATELY WTF
>>46836716
> SoH
> Black Reaving allows you to roll from Reserves in Turn 1.
> All Infantry in Reserves gain Outflank and Fleet
I don't really understand why it ever gave Rage at all. The fluff paints it as a mobile band of highly-connected elements that encircle and bludgeon a foe in one hit.
It should be all about mobility and sudden fuckenings. None of this Ragey shit. The Reaver tag is nice but Maloghurst is already so good....
>>46839463
>first thing first, relics arent even relevant since they are permission based now.
Everyone has access to bikes and jetbikes, two armies have access to a 3++
>the initiative bonus isnt isnt useless when even according to your own math you are doing over 2 wounds on average before they even get to swing on you.
Practically every praetor is taking a second specialist weapon with their paragon blade, generally a power fist or thunder hammer, both of which ID your praetor. When you are striking first anyway they have no reason not to use their power fist and kill you the moment you fail your save.
Please tell me a praetor build that can actually take advantage of the Emperor's Children's LA rules and generally win in a challenge against another praetor. You know, challenges the whole thing the EC specialize in above anything else.
>>46839524
>I'm not sure keeping Siggy in a challenge is a good idea, as you'll only make him reroll to hits of 1 and stuff.
You don't have a choice, EC have to issue and accept challenges. The best you can hope to do is to send your crappy dudes to die at Sigismund's hands.
>>46838056
I aim to keep the wolf time to a low level.
>>46839587
>why doesnt my praetor mathematically autowin against all other praetors in challenges
IS DOING 2 WOUNDS ON AVERAGE BEFORE THEY GET TO SWING NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?!
ON AVERAGE
AS IN, IF YOU ROLL DECENT THEY DIE WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A CHANCE ANYWAY.
FIND SOMETHING LEGITIMATE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT
>>46839628
Except they kill me outright on average when they swing back. I'm not talking about "it takes me two turns to win" I am talking about "80% of the time I hit them they survive and they kill me outright" hell my assumptions on damage are assuming no FnP, which is painfully easy for any praetor to get with his unit.
>>46839663
GUESS WHAT
YOU CAN USE A PF AND AUTOTRADE WITH THEM TOO, OR YOU CAN GAMBLE AND DO 2 WOUNDS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO SWING, ON AVERAGE, AND IF YOU ROLL DECENT JUST KILL THEM OUTRIGHT.
OR TAKE EIDOLON AND JUST AUTOWIN
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT?!
>>46839663
>>46839714
Meanwhile ~14 legions have shit praetor in challenge.
>>46839587
>Everyone has access to bikes and jetbikes
yeah including you
guess what, the fist wont ID you anymore
>mfw all this pain because they wont ever be good in a challenge
Ladies please, one at a time so you too can be another notch in my victory belt!.
>>46839888
>tfw no matter how good siggy is he will always autolose to primarchs and scoria
>he can never make up for the scrub that dorn is
>>46839611
set phasers to WOLF.
Anyone got the "Prospero must burn, mother!" version?
>>46838240
Just saying, those chests are kinda neat. The belt was an attempt by FW to make it so that the waist buckle would stay in line with the waist while the bodies are turned to fire their weapons. It's a cool idea, but poorly executed.
Then the star is a simple symbol of veterancy while the plate itself is a stylized version of an historical armor (the name of which is a total loss to me) which would only cover the heart.
Also:Don't lose your way.
>>46839714
>>46839868
He wants to complain, buddy. He wants to kill a PF biker praetor while his is fighting on foot. He also doesnt want to be Scoria, ergo, he simply wants to complain.
But he forgets IW and WE already go first in the complaints line.
>>46839587
> Emperor's Children Praetor
> MC Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jetbike, Sonic Shrieker
> Be immune to S8/9 ID, strike before everyone else, hit on 3's and still have a backup emergency Fist
Flipping the argument over, who's going to kill this guy now? He's just like you except +1WS and strikes first.
>>46840046
>tfw i realized that playing my WE as blackshield +1S/+1T chymeriae would actually be better and give me more list building options
its ok... it doesnt even hurt anymore.
>>46840145
Black Shields are cool as fuck.
>>46840145
>>46840254
You'll miss on WE characters, RoWs. All for what, Marauders that are worse than Veterans?
>>46840254
the marauder squad with +1S +1T and 5 poweraxes + S10 powerfist champ is better than anything WE can do. they all have 2 attacks each base +1 for chainaxes, which they actually get FOR FREE.
im tempted to just run my WE as blackshields and just call them loyalist WE since im painting them blue and white anyway.
also it makes their terminators S10 with fists so thats cool.
>>46840275
Isn't Endryd Harr available to Blackshields?
And I'd hesitate to call a 2-3pt discount, S/T5and free chainaxesweaker than FC.
>>46840120
>Jetbike EW Storm Shield Imperial Fist/Salamander (with Iron Halo) Praetor MC'd Thunder Hammer, Digital laser and Paragon blade side-arm.
Joust me, plaebeian!So many veaowaels, kek queue :^)
>>46840275
>Marauders that are worse than Veterans?
nope they are better. full tooled up squad of 20 marauders with 5 poweraxes and a powerfist is like 370 points, S5T5 with S6 axes and S10 fist. theyd probably beat 10 WE vets with axes which cost the same.
T5 with FNP is rugged as fuck
>>46840349
> S10 power fists
Multiple modifiers bro. (S4 x 2) +1 = 9
>>46838099
in stead of the stupid stars it simply need MOAR armor plating.
>>46839916
Jesus, how can Scoria be so fucking broken?
>>46839714
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT?!
He wants to go back to the days when all power weapons were AP2 and artificer armor was completely pointless.
He's the same group of people who bitch and moan about dedicated assault units being useless if they're not all armed with power weapons.
>>46840399
But PEMDAS is hard, bro.
What would be harder: getting Dorn and Pert to get along and burry the hatchet by building a wall, or fighting a polar bear that has been taking a combination of cocaine, acid, and pcp since childhood?
>>46840415
He's a traumatic experience to reality.
>>46840046
He strives for perfection,anon.
If that is not EC, I don't know what is.
>Confusing superiority with the purity originally sought by Fulgrim.
Heck, thats even more EC!
>>46840349
Go for the Warhound scheme, it is great.
Also take Haar.
>>46840399
shit i thought it was a stateline upgrade
doesnt matter anyway, s9 is still raping vehicles, and their praetor gets rad grenades
>>46840441
The first one, the bear is probably a physical wreck due to long time drug damages and growth inhibition as he took it during his growth phase.
>>46840362
>>46840393
>>46840349
Who wantsFREEchainaxes when you have Furious Charge power weapons? They're killing 3.75 dudes out of the 5 you have (I didn't even take rerolling ones to wound into account)
And 10 Veterans with power swords cost 300 pts anyway, leaving alive only 3 Marauders to do whatever they can.
>T5 with FNP is rugged as fuck
You can only take one Wrought by War thingie, unless you're combining it with an apothecary, of course.
>>46840519
>unless you're combining it with an apothecary
yea
also 10 vets arent gonna be able to flootslog for shit, while the t5 dudes with an apothecary dont give a shit. theyll beat a WE 20 man inductii/normal blob in CC and do better against terminators too, all while being more resistant to shooting.
