>orcs against drunk driving edition
Discuss the viability of the Warcraft universe as a tabletop RPG setting. Have fun, don't go full autist, and keep your cool. Keep your asspain to yourself. This is not /v/ or /vg/.
>Previous thread
>>46796538
Just to start out. You can like the Horde and still hate what the writers have done to them in the last few expansions.
>Been Pro-Horde since WC2
>Fucking hate Garrosh and Sylvanas
>>46815775
Ner'zhul's Dark Horde is best Horde
I prefer the True Iron Fel Horde(not to be confused with the Fel Iron True Horde)
So, what are the chances that "the shadows" the Arakkoa mention teaching things to them or "smiling upon you" are an actual form of less malevolent Void entity?
>>46815775
>tfw garrosh had so much potential
>tfw instead of giving him a hero's journey from which to grow and mature, they made him into a huge manchild orc hitler monstrosity
>tfw the character is a victim of blizzard's own writing
>>46815832
Ner'zhul's Horde is simply the "Old Horde" or unoffically the "Horde of Draenor." The "Dark Horde" is the one lead by Rend Blackhand.
>>46815886
aren't the shadows a representation of Anzu?
>>46815775
I liked Sylvanas as an evil-leaning morally grey character, but now they've just made her full EEEVILLLLLL and it's boring. Garrosh had potential as well but I think they went pretty overboard into making him unbelievable "because Old Gods lol".
Horde needs some evil-leaning grey characters, otherwise it would all just be dindu orcs and various other races that "look evil but we're actually the good guys".
>>46815895
Its weird that he showed a lot of intresting growth in the Stonetalon Mountians cata chain, and then basicly did a 180 with the bombing of Theramore
Also, elect KT for Forsaken leader 2016! Get this sexy lich to work
>>46815931
While they were originally taught by Anzu, I don't think he's the same thing as the "shadows". Of course, they use that word in a very generic fashion, but it still seems to imply that there's some form of shadow spirits to which they listen.
>>46815981
>Its weird that he showed a lot of intresting growth in the Stonetalon Mountians cata chain, and then basicly did a 180 with the bombing of Theramore
As nice as it was to see Garrosh being less of a dick I miss old Stonetalon because it felt so much more wild.
Why are night elves hotter than other elves?
>>46815981
Forsaken unite under one flag!
The flag of your newfound people!
THE SCOURGE!
>>46815972
I'm fine with darker characters but they shouldn't be Warchief, and they shouldn't be so blatantly evil you have to wonder how they've stayed in power. If Garrosh was still expansionist but not racist and spiteful I think he could have been fine. But, for example, the way he greets the Horde Pandaren; it's just dumb. You wonder how he had any allies at all.
Sylvanas is definitely getting there too, where it should be clear to anyone (the Forsaken most of all) that she's off her rocker.
>>46815981
Seriously, there's at least three quests in Cataclysm where he berates (or worse) people using superweapons and fighting dishonorably, and then he turns around and plants one of the most destructive WMDs in the setting using deception. The fuck even happened?
>>46816264
>The fuck even happened?
Kosak couldn't let Sylvanas face consequences for her actions but the Horde was getting too big for it's britches
>>46816264
For how much they like using it, Blizzard is really incompetent when it comes to writing corruption. At least with Arthas they had the out of saying "Frostmourne ate his soul, it's not really him". Stratholme was semi-reasonable.
But when you've got someone like Garrosh, who, prior to taking the heart, is acting entirely in a sane mind, the terrible writing is even more apparent.
This is not to say that I like there being some outside force corrupting things; I think it's a cop-out of writing villains that have actual motivations that make sense, and believe they're in the right. But Garrosh just spontaneously going full Hitler made no sense.
>>46815981
>>46816132
Oh man, KT as the new Forsaken leader would be so cool. I seriously doubt it's happen though, he was a pretty willing participant in everything the Lich King did. The Forsaken as a faction are mostly dindus from that period, minus the Val'kyr. I don't think the Horde (or anyone, really) would want to be allied with KT's slightly nicer Scourge.
>>46816392
Any post cata forsaken IS not from lordaeron and has been risen by a val'kyr
>>46815775
>mfw I wanted to join the Iron Horde
At least their designs and war machines were cool, I wonder if we at least get a few reinforcements from them in the next expansion
>>46816451
Well, they have you collect a bunch of Scarlet corpses in one of the opening quests, so I'd say a lot of them probably still are from Lordaeron. It's also pretty clear that they've been digging up graves in the Lordaeron region too.
>>46816725
I'm hoping Blizzard loves recycling models enough to not let their models go to waste, and uses them in the future for our Horde.
>>46816725
Take your sword
fight the horde
>>46816725
There's defectors from the Iron Horde and Highmaul in Vol'mar. Also, we did get at least one Iron Horde defector as a follower. Think we also got a few as quest givers, too.
>>46816264
I heard they had originally planned for him to become a decent guy, but when they got the response against him in Cata, they changed the planned storyline.
>>46817332
>Also, we did get at least one Iron Horde defector as a follower.
Ornok was more part of the Shadow Council than the Iron Horde
>>46817944
I'm talking about this guy:
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Morketh_Bladehowl
>>46816351
>For how much they like using it, Blizzard is really incompetent when it comes to writing corruption. At least with Arthas they had the out of saying "Frostmourne ate his soul, it's not really him". Stratholme was semi-reasonable.
Stratholme is treated as a wrong in universe, and Arthas apparently was in control the whole time.
>>46818100
oh. I built the mage tower so I got Magister Kelras instead
there's also the guy that totally isn't Howard Roark who helps build your shipyard
>>46818210
Solog Roark, yeah. He's available to both factions, though.
Horde specifically gets Morketh and then Horde also specifically has a Highmaul and Iron Horde defector in their Tanaan Jungle base.
>>46818257
Alliance has them too.
>>46817332
>>46818100
There's also a defector recruited directly from the Iron Horde before Gul'dan slimes it up
>>46816392
I mean they basically already are with the ebon blade and the scourge taking an active role in legion. Plus its not like sylvannis has a deep chain of comand.
>>46818176
>apparently
'Apparently'? The Culling of Stratholme took place way before Arthas ever even touched Frostmourne. It's treated as an atrocity in universe because he locked all the doors leading out of the city and burned it down with all the innocent (but infected) citizens still inside.
He was right, but no one else was around to watch as Stratholme rotted from the inside out even as it burned, so he gets treated as the villain by history.
I hate Blizzard for what they did with Garrosh. He had so much potential, both as an up-and-coming hero and as a Hitler-type villain; and all he ended up was a nice-ish source of Yrel rapeporn
>>46818407
You're under the assumption that everyone was infected, which was not the case. The grain shipments made it very widespread (basically anyone who'd eaten bread that within the past day or so), but there's no indicator that it was 100%. Arthas just had a "better safe than sorry" attitude towards it and didn't want to risk the plague spreading further- when in actuality it wasn't a plague, it was a deliberate necromancy and infected grain.
If someone died after having been infected by consuming the grain, they'd come back as undead, but it wasn't airborne or bloodborne or whatever, so getting bitten by a zombie wasn't going to turn you into one. The plague couldn't spread without the spreading of plagued grain, so a full quarantine would have done the trick.
However, hindsight is 20/20 and all that. No one really knew just how the plague operated at the time. The point being that Arthas thought he was in the right but wasn't.
>>46818414
In Cata, I thought we'd have Garrosh as an orc's orc- proud and strong, not willing to be cowed. Taking more for the Horde so his people wouldn't be huddled in desert canyons.
Instead, we got orc Hitler with goblin contraptions and old-god-heart-consumption. He could've been a great Warchief if they didn't go full retard on pushing faction conflict. The war in Pandaria could've just been a war for resources without Garrosh going all UBERMENSCH on us, with both sides getting bloodied noses, but uniting to try and destroy the real big bad, which should have been Lei-Shen.
>>46815886
I'd say pretty high. As Light can burn and blind if it's too bright, so too can Shadow offer comfort and hide from harm. It is an inherent possibility in a dualistic universe of opposites that they themselves have internal duality.
Everything is dual, everything has poles, everything has its pair of opposites. Like and unlike are the same, opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree. Extremes meet and all truths all but half truths. All paradoxes may be reconciled. Such is the cosmic truth.
>>46818630
>with both sides getting bloodied noses, but uniting to try and destroy the real big bad, which should have been Lei-Shen.
or there should have been an equivalent Siege of Stormwind for the Horde, with the canon ending of MoP being decided by which was completed more
>>46818687
That's super retarded.
>>46818555
>The point being that Arthas thought he was in the right but totally was 100% and everyone who disagrees is some moralfag.
Fixed that for you
>>46818735
it makes WoW even more like WC2 so Kosak can wank himself off, while being less retarded than SoO -> War Crimes -> WoD
>>46818555
He sees the plague in action around Hearthglen with his own eyes, turning citizens into zambies. They don't have to die. They just become brainmunchers.
what happened to the Alterac quest?
>>46818555
>Not everyone will turn, just everyone that eats the most common staple food that's ever existed in western civilization.
You have any idea how stupid that sounds?
>>46815886
Well, they fall under the wing of Anzu, the raven-god.
The Raven God was associated with shadow since defeating the blood-god/wind serpent, Sethe. Upon his death at the talons of Rukhmar (the sun god) and Anzu, Sethe delivered a curse that anything he touched would wither, die, and fall to corruption. Anzu devoured Sethe in an attempt to contain the curse, but some blood escaped his beak and landed on the ground far below, making Sethekk Hollow. In an effort to further contain the curse, Anzu fled into the realm of shadows.
Not sure where I was going with this.
I guess that the realm of shadows is ultimately hostile but if you have guidance you can still be at home there.
>>46818555
>>46818407
The purge of Stratholme was, while morally an atrocity, probably the least terrible solution to the situation, especially with the knowledge that Mal'ganis was jumping about the place. What damned Arthas wasn't that he went through with it, but that it was the first and only solution he saw, and he was so uncompromising about it that he pushed everyone who cared for him away. Uther might have been in the wrong, but Arthas never tried to show him that, he just said "kill civvies or GTFO".
>>46819073
because the other thing would be
>uther, lets quarantine the city and watch.
>paladins squat on their asses and see the city get depopulated.
>the legion gets a shit ton of souls that mal'ganis harvests.
but hey, due process right?
>>46818932
Assuming that they all ate the bread made that very day from the Andorhal grain.
Eating bread from the day before is entirely too far-fetched.
That, and the plague couldn't be spread by anything but foodstuffs. Zombie bites didn't confer undeath unless you died of bacterial infection and a necromancer was handy to raise you.
>>46818176
>>46818555
The point is, arguments can be made for both sides. Arthas's choice had a logical reason behind it, he wasn't doing it to be evil or for selfish reasons; he just thought it was the right choice. And that's why Stratholme is cool, and why Arthas is a decent character.
Compare that to what they did to Kael'thas or Garrosh. Allying with the Burning Legion? Consuming an Old God heart? These are not things sensible people do for the sake of their people.
>>46819073
Exactly. Arthas, like it or not, was naturally weak of character, and the Culling of Stratholme was the first moment that truly demonstrates this and is the beginning of the slippery slope. It's the beginning of the end of Arthas.
>>46819101
Alternative:
>do all that
>but hunt down and destroy Mal'ganis to keep him from consuming souls
>>46819132
>dude quarantine the city
>ignore the people turning into zombies
>kill a scourge army in the city that is being bolstered by said zombies
>at least we did the right thing r-right guys?
>>46819073
I agree, I think Blizzard is just way too afraid of moral grays. If Arthas tried to work with Uther, but Uther was just completely incapable of compromising in any way to find a solution, then it would have been better writing. But they didn't want Uther to be at fault in any way so they could set Arthas up as a villain.
>>46819101
>>46819132
He wasn't consuming souls, just teleporting zombies away so he could get them around the base Arthas built just outside.
A quick blitz assassination on Mal'ganis followed by more careful purging and quarantining may have also worked (Ignoring the contrived location of Mal'ganis's altar)
>>46819163
hey, at least we got the best dialog in the series.
>>46819118
Kael'thas was the embodiment of desperation. He was willing to do literally anything, even consort with demons, to give his people the power they need to survive in the presence of no Sunwell. He outright says what happened to Quel'thalas and his elves was not fair, and that everything he did was in the name of Quel'thalas. Kil'jaeden simply exploited his desperation and turned him crazy.
And then the draenei help the blood elves reignite the Sunwell anyway.
>>46819101
No the other thing would be NOT sending everyone who disagreed with you away, thus leaving them with the impression that you're just a kill-happy madman and never showing them the truth of the matter.
>>46819163
>If Arthas tried to work with Uther, but Uther was just completely incapable of compromising in any way to find a solution, then it would have been better writing.
Arthas was far more belligerent than Uther. If anything, he would've been the hardliner of the two.
>>46819203
>uther stay here and watch me slaughter civilians.
>uther chimps out and bashes arthas with a hammer.
>while they are fighting mal'ganis eats the souls of the infected scourgies
>muh light.
Uther a shit.
>>46819197
the ability says that mal'ganis sends them to the warp.
>>46818555
>If someone died after having been infected by consuming the grain, they'd come back as undead, but it wasn't airborne or bloodborne or whatever, so getting bitten by a zombie wasn't going to turn you into one. The plague couldn't spread without the spreading of plagued grain, so a full quarantine would have done the trick.
You just confirmed yourself for being an completely ignorant faggot. Bravo.
If you'd actually PLAYED THE GAME (or fuck, even gone through the Caverns of Time instance about this same fucking event), you would know that the infected grain turns infected individuals directly into undead after consumption. They don't have to die, they become infected and eventually they turn.
The time varies depending on which batch of grain you got. Arthas and Jaina personally witness several villagers turn almost immediately after consuming grain from a fresh shipment (this is in Mission 5: March of the Scourge in the Reign of Chaos human campaign).
It's not stated how long the incubation period is for Stratholme. Possibly 2-3 days to ensure maximum exposure, but if you play through the mission in Warcraft 3 or the Caverns of Time dungeon it's shown plain as day that infected individuals spontaneously transform into zombies. In fact, the main objective in Warcraft 3 is to *kill them before they turn* so Mal'Ganis can't subsume them into his army.
>>46819202
But it didn't make any sense. Kael'thas had, by that point, completely betrayed his people, given that the Blood Elves are trying to take him down. And when has allying with the Burning Legion ever worked out for anyone? At least Illidan was planning on betraying them in the long-run. Kael'thas seemed to have no sort of plan whatsoever.
His actions are that of an idiot, and it sucks because in Frozen Throne he was a pretty reasonable guy. He also could have been a faction leader people really cared about.
>>46819244
He was teleporting them back to Northrend to bolster the Scourge.
>>46819126
>doing the only thing to preserve your kingdom and staying true in spite of friends abandoning you
>weak of character
You get one.
Jaina and Uther love condemning him, but were oh so silent on alternatives.
Fucking self-righteous pricks.
>>46819279
the ability says,
Store a soul in the twisting nether for later use.
>>46819235
Maybe, but the point is that it would not have been unreasonable for Uther to be unwilling to consider such a solution in any way, even if it made sense. He never struck me as much of compromiser on what he believes is right. By making Arthas just cut him off and disband his paladins it's pretty hard to be on Arthas's side.
It could have been much more gray without breaking anyone's character, is my point.
>>46819248
There was also the pre-Wrath server event, where crates of infected grain appeared in the city streets for a full week. As the event proceeded on, the time from consumption to infection gets shorter until the end of the event, where eating the grain turns you into a zombie almost instantly.
>>46819248
You're missing his point, he's saying that only people who ate the grain would be infected, and it's unlikely that literally every single person in Stratholme ate the grain.
>>46819248
>. In fact, the main objective in Warcraft 3 is to *kill them before they turn* so Mal'Ganis can't subsume them into his army.
Depending on how much you like Micro vs Macro sometimes you just wait for them to turn because you need to manually attack them otherwise.
>>46819291
Soul as in individual. He was gathering them for later teleportation around Arthas's blockade.
>>46819286
>Jaina and Uther love condemning him, but were oh so silent on alternatives.
>Fucking self-righteous pricks.
Because it was a two minute dialogue sequence in an RTS, not a reasoned out discussion.
>>46819248
>going straight for calling someone a faggot
Sorry my wording wasn't precise enough for you. Try to keep things civil.
I should have phrased it like this: that eating plagued grain would make you fall ill and die, but the nature of your death didn't matter. If you ate some grain and got stabbed in an alley, you'd rise from the dead rather than being immune because it wasn't the plagued grain itself that killed you. Y'see what I'm getting at?
>>46819286
>Jaina and Uther love condemning him, but were oh so silent on alternatives.
It's not like they were even given a full minute to think about it.
>OH SHIT WE NEED TO KILL ALL THESE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
>Arthas, that's crazy, there's got to be another way
>FUCK OFF
>>46819331
>Soul as in individual. He was gathering them for later teleportation around Arthas's blockade.
I dunno, demons transporting souls rarely means a singular person.
>>46819354
>arthas, the undead increase their number when one of ours falls
>the entire city has eaten infected grain that turns them into undead
>>46819269
>Kael'thas had, by that point, completely betrayed his people, given that the Blood Elves are trying to take him down.
The blood elves Kael'thas didn't take with him, and that's after they find him and his forces in Netherstorm and realize "holy shit, he's gone off the deep end." Plus, as far as Kael'thas believed, he never betrayed his people. He went to the grave under the belief that "I did it all for you, for my people." Anyone who was going to impede his plans, even his own blood elves, had to be removed. He thought he was still the heart of Quel'thalas.
>>46819307
And that's ridiculous because Andorhal's been pumping out shipments for only God knows how long at this point and is also the single largest agricultural center in Lorderon at that point in the lore.
Grain is the number one absolutely biggest staple in a society like Lorderan. Bread is made fresh every day and consumed and then made again the following day. A city the size of Stratholme is going to go through grain like a steam train eats coal. And guess where they get fucking all of it? Andorhal.
With a three day incubation period you're going to spread enough plague through that city to secure a near 100% infection rate just from keeping up normal consumption.
>>46819353
I know nothing about Warcraft, but by all necromancy standards those two would make excellent skeletons.
>>46819354
In a meta sense I want to blame Blizzard's shitty writing for this more than Arthas. But yeah, bitching about writing aside, given what Arthas actually said he definitely fucked up. Purging Stratholme was the right call but there was no need to drive off Uther and Jaina by being a dick about it.
>>46819381
>the entire city has eaten infected grain that turns them into undead
Except Uther and Jaina didn't know about the undeath aspect of the plague. Arthas was alone in Hearthglen when the villagers started to turn.
>>46815775
The worst part about Sylvanas is not just that she's evil, it's that everybody around her bend over backwards to ignore what she does. It's really infuriating.
>>46819508
A justified atrocity is still an atrocity, and you start to see Arthas become more unhinged as time goes on, leading to his inevitable fall.
>>46817055
Grab your sword and fight the Horde.
Uncle Lothar wants YOU!
>>46819555
I thought the villagers started to turn THEN he sent Jaina away, I'll replay it tonight.
>arthas dindu nuffin
>he wuz a good boy, getting his life back on track
>>46819563
If Garrosh had killed her before going off the deep end it would have all been worth it. If she gets killed in Legion it will be a good expansion. I just want her to finally be held accountable for all the shit she pulls. Even if she doesn't die, just get her set up as a villain and that's fine.
Vol'jin coming back and killing the bitch on his throne would warm my heart.
>>46819615
He tells jaina to call uther AND then he notices the villagers start to turn.
Funnily the second time I played this mission, the trigger bugged out when I canceled the cinematic and the villagers were just there.
it was CUTE
@46819628
fuck off. I would take old arthas over Anduin "mlp" Wrynn any day.
Stratholme was both an atrocity and the best solution at present to combat the Scourge. The problem is how he presented it to Uther and how he refused to hear any objections or explain himself probably. It was his way or the high way.
It is also what started to lead him down the dark path.
>>46819696
It would be best if Greymane did it. I would also be satisfied if the Forsaken then pulled out of Stromgarde, Hillsbrad and Andorhal and got rid of all the Val'kyr and whichever captives they had.
>>46819615
Nah, he sent her away when the footman told him about the undead army that was on its way. It's once she's gone that he notices the crates from Andorhal.
He actually was about to tell Uther about the true purpose of the plague outside of Stratholme, but then he noticed the signs of infection and the conversation kinda... derailed.
>>46819741
I'd be totally fine with that, Greymane's a cool character with a very legitimate reason to hate her (though he's not alone in that). I want to be able to like the Forsaken again; as of late they've lost all nuance and are just evil fucks led by an evil fuck. All of my casters are Trolls now.
>>46819707
>@
>mfw
>>46819807
The Forsaken need a replacement leader seeded first of all (anybody but Calia, please, let the Alliance get some Lordaeron stuff for once), but I'm struggling to think of somebody good enough. Nathanos is the first to come to mind, and he's completely loyal to Sylvanas.
Think they'll need to seed somebody completely new.
>>46819696
>Vol'jin coming back and killing the bitch on his throne
>Troll
>his throne
I hope Vol'jin dies painfully and a true Orcish Warchief claims his rightful throne.
>>46819990
Just to spite you, I hope the next Warchief is Gallywix, as far from an orc as you could possibly get in a Horde leader.
>>46819741
>>46819807
If this were to take place as per usual the question returns to WHO would lead the forsaken? They have no fallback characters, Sylvanas organizes her military with specialists you Have Nathanos with the Rangers, Alaric? I think his name is with the Deathstalkers, I'm not sure who leads the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow.
The forsaken don't have an "All around leader" Outside of her. Not like the Tauren who just fell back on the next of kin, or the Orcs who had Green Jesus to fall back on. The Forsaken don't have children, and they are a race with a relatively short history. The only salvation at the point of losing Sylvanas is the death and raising of some poor Alliance major player (like Wrynn...) Or The Knights of the Ebon Blade take over the faction.
>>46819990
I really don't get this viewpoint. The Horde has had trolls in it since... Warcraft 2? Sure I don't think they canonically joined until Warcraft 3 but that's still a long fucking time. Orcs, Trolls and Tauren are the foundation members of the Horde. Would you have bitched about it if Cairne were Warchief?
>>46820053
p e t t y
>>46820053
Well why not? Warchief turned into a joke title ever since a stinking troll took it and now some dead elf bitch. At least Goblins are green.
>>46820068
That's the sad part. Sylvanas and the Forsaken have done so much shit that logically they should not be ignored. But them actually suffering the consequences means they'd have nothing left.
That's why I propose seeding new Forsaken characters, and giving prominent screentime to some of the established ones, to pave the way.
Related to that, they could make a council, comprised of leaders of different parts of their society.
>>46820068
If you look outside the old Lordaeron humans, there are several options. Koltira, Bolvar, etc. But if you're trying to find one of the old guard classic Forsaken, yeah, it's a pretty short list.
>>46820107
Warcraft 2 trolls were Amani
Warcraft 3- current are Darkspear
I don't think >>46819990
Ever got on board with "Thrall's new horde."
>>46820107
The trolls in Warcraft 2 were the forest trolls of the northern Eastern Kingdoms.
The trolls seen in Warcraft 3 and onward are the Darkspear tribe; jungle trolls who were evicted from Stranglethorn Vale and then rescued from destruction at the hands of the naga by Thrall during his evacuation to Kalimdor.
>>46820107
>I really don't get this viewpoint. The Horde has had trolls in it since... Warcraft 2?
What's your point? Serving the Horde and ruling the Horde are not the same.
>Would you have bitched about it if Cairne were Warchief?
Yes, some peacenik cow man is not worthy of being Warchief.
>>46820164
Lillian Voss might've been an obvious seeding if not for the fact she's not only not a leader, she also hates undead and necromancers.
>>46820133
to be fair, a troll warchief is way better than an undead elf. at least a troll is still a traditional horde race, monstrous features and all.
the position of warchief has become a joke only now that a legit undead anime waifu character holds the mantle
Wait, isn't Nazgrel pretty much the only relevant orc remaining that would make a proper Warchief?
Saurfang is way past his prime, Rexxar doesn't seem very interested, Thrall's a neutral party now, Eitrigg's too much of a pacifist.
>>46820267
>Wait, isn't Nazgrel pretty much the only relevant orc remaining that would make a proper Warchief?
Any Orc would make a better Warchief than a Troll or some dead elf cunt.
I'd even take a peon.
>>46820267
Saurfang really is the best choice. Age shouldn't be a factor, he can always retire and give the position away (or die gloriously).
Nazgrel and Eitrigg are probably the second best choices among the orcs though.
>>46820267
Saurfang's still totally viable, IMO. A Warchief's job isn't primarily fighting people (and Saurfang seems to be keeping up just fine). He's got the experience and popularity. From what I've heard he's the Orc racial leader in Legion.
Drek'thar best orc
>>46819878
Undead garithos
>>46820133
Being warcheif is like being president of a federation
>>46820205
>Sylvanas is a waifu meme
This is the Sylvanas that stood up to Arthas in life buying at least some time for her people, the woman that played what was akin to a game of thrones lordaeron edition when Arthas was forced to Northrend and won. Sylvanas is an analytical mind and a stunning strategist, to put her at the helm of the Horde is not that big of a surprise with a missing warchief considering, the goblins would sell the horde, the orcs don't have a clear leader at the moment, Baine probably just doesn't want to. I really don't know enough about Lor'Themar to give a reason for him though but I'm sure it has something to do with Dalaran and mixed loyalties.
>>46820449
Undead Garithos would be glorious (if he'd get to keep the 'stache. Forsaken beards when). Too bad he got eaten by ghouls.
>>46820494
Races that can have beards >> races that can't have beards. It's a sad fact of life. Trolls might be the only exception as they're pretty great anyway, but man if we could get Vol'jin beards that'd be amazing.
>>46820452
and yet every racial leader in the horde either outright dislikes her or simply doesn't trust her
garrosh was also hailed as a military genius and check out what happened to him
>>46820518
Trolls and Forsaken need beard options. And humans need more beard options. The current selection is very very limited.
>>46818953
I'm aware of the general details. The Arakkoa used to hide out in the shadow realm too, and even sent Terokk into it to recover when he got too crazy. Apparently they thought it would help his mental condition, which it seemingly did in WoD. Something in that place has to be a relatively benign and non-corruptive influence, perhaps even being rather therapeutic, even if the rest wants to eat your soul.
>>46818661
I believe the shadowy powers of the Eye of Anzu were also used to stabilize the minds of the Arakkoa afflicted with the curse of Sethe, and the Auchenai use them to care for the souls that are under their protection.
Shadow powers clearly aren't entirely malevolent, but we've yet to clearly see benign shadow beings and I'd love to see how such entities would represent themselves. I rather doubt they would share the Naaru's attitude or be as safe to deal with, so I'm rather curious how that could go.
>>46820494
They could have just nibbled on him then left him to rot then an apothecary found his body and decided hey maybe we can use this dead guy for something
>>46820556
A big customization update with more hairstyles, beards and faces would honestly be one of the most exciting updates for me. For certain races I feel like there's only one good look so I can't make multiple of that race without them being identical.
Subraces would also be fantastic, though probably not applicable to all races. Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Dwarves could certainly benefit.
(Are playable Dwarves still all Ironforge or can you make Wildhammer/Dark Iron? Not an Alliance player)
>>46820494
Just need the bones. Playable skeletons now.
>>46820679
Only Ironforge. No Wildhammer tattoos or Dark Iron skins, sadly. There's some ashen colored skins, but they're not close enough to the Dark Iron skins.
And I agree, I'd love a big customization update. You'd think the new models would pave the way for one.
>>46820376
Yes, Saurfang is sitting in Orgrimmar as the orc racial leader. The achievement to take him out in a city raid is different, too: Saurfang will humor the Alliance raiding Orgrimmar by "playing dead" when he's defeated.
>>46820753
>Saurfang will humor the Alliance raiding Orgrimmar by "playing dead" when he's defeated.
>>46820783
What?
>>46820783
It would be impossible to get the achievement otherwise.
>>46820452
I'm of the opinion that Sylvanas only got the job because she has seniority within the Horde of all presently available leaders. Consider the original three leaders of the New Horde: Thrall retired to become the World Shaman, Cairne is dead, and Vol'jin - as of Legion - is MIA. Lor'thermar, Baine and Gallywix have not been a Horde leader for as long as Sylvanas has.
>>46819878
Hello, baby! I know what you're thinking, but I come with excelent refrences and have an extensive spy network.
>>46820203
Lilian is a retard.
>>46820783
you can't kill Saurfang, only hit him until he is no longer amused with your antics and falls asleep
>>46820376
He was so obviously the logical choice the whiole time.
>experienced veteran of several wars
>great fighter
>already commanded both horde and alliance armies as the "might of kalimdor"
>respected by alliance
>beloved by horde
>beloved by players
>is actually repentant about his role in the old horde
But no, we had to get some brown nigger to chimp out and kick the conflict ball for some Red vs Blue.
>>46820783
>oooh
>ahhh
>ya got me
>oh woe is me
>>46820753
>>46820783
>>46820792
>>46820827
Yeah, do people actually object to one of WoW's oldest memes getting a nod in the achievement?
Saurfang was the terror of any alliance stupid enough to use the front gate of Org.
And he was the terror of the Horde itself back when you could either Mind control him directly, or MC a horde player into attacking him.
>>46820855
While I like the idea of returning Kel'thuzad to the plot (we didn't destroy his phylactery after all), I don't think the Forsaken would be very welcoming to him.
And yes Lillian is a retard.
>gets murdered and raised by the forsaken as an undead monster
>declares she hates all necromancers and hunts them down
>completely ignores the forsaken
>>46820901
I think she just planned to start with the Scourge remnants, then the Forsaken, then the Ebon Blade but got side-tracked and nearly killed in MoP-Scholo.
(Fuck MoP-scholo)
>>46820901
He started the cult financed it and taught many of its members so he's actually repairable for the plague spreading to the east kingdoms
>>46820924
She's alive in WoD though. Completely randomly shows up in your garrison inn and declares all the necromancers must be killed. I think she sends you to Auchindoun, but not entirely sure.
>>46820967
And his responsibility for it all is the main reason the Forsaken would probably hate him.
>>46820901
He's like my favorite character so I just want him to do something and preferably as snarkily as possible.
>>46820924
I thought she did die. I never understood why she wanted to attack school either. They never did anything to you!
>>46820924
It makes sense she'd start with the easier targets before moving onto the bigger ones.
Taking out the remnants of the Scarlet Crusade and then the Scourge would be relatively simple, since those were both very much on the decline. However, the current Forsaken would be an entirely different matter. Lilian just isn't powerful enough to really take on the Forsaken at this point.
>>46820875
Saurfang, like Rexxar, didn't want the job. In his words, he's a soldier, not a politician.
>>46821045
>Scourge
>on the decline
Not any more bad guys.
EBON BLADE, WORLD POLICE.
>>46820924
>>46820974
Just noticed you wrote nearly killed instead of killed, woops.
But yeah, it does seem she got side-tracked, especially considering she ended up in Draenor.
>>46820894
Saurfang is only a character of note at all because he was such a meme.
Strangely, he turned into one of the best characters in all the Horde side.
>>46821045
She couldn't take out the entire Undercity, sure, but with some decent guerilla tactics she'd be an absolute terror for smaller Forsaken settlements.
>>46821068
>Saurfang, like Rexxar, didn't want the job. In his words, he's a soldier, not a politician.
And Garrosh was a politician?
>>46820068
just kill off the forsaken
its a shit faction by now anyway.
There's literally no reason for anyone else to let them continue to exist.
>>46821486
No, just greedy for power.
In DnD 4e, what class/specialization would you use to represent an elemental shaman? I'm thinking Sorcerer with the charisma scaling swapped for wisdom.
>>46821649
Garrosh didn't want power, it was thrust upon him and he did the best for his people.
>>46821852
>best for his people
>getting them murdered for his bloodlust
Fucking Horde babbies.
>>46821852
Yes he did, what? After Thrall told him about Grom, Garrosh wanted to do everything to live up to his father's image.
>>46821884
Garrosh made the horde great.
>>46821912
He wanted to be a great warrior like his father. He did not want to be Warchief. He told Thrall is was a bad idea.
>>46821933
Great at being a joke of a faction and got half of them killed.
>>46821959
He took the Orcs and made them a global threat from a bunch of starving desert dwellers in only a few years. Then he did it again with the Iron Horde. Garrosh is great.
>>46822017
>garry dindu nuffin!
>>46821884
>if i call the horde babies enough, ill prove once and for all that the alliance is the mature adult faction!
>>46822046
Nah he did a lot of awesome shit.
>>46822017
You mean the writers did by enabling them to pull navies and shit out of their asses.
Absolutely disgusting. Either give me the shamanistic udnerdog of WC3, or go back to the rock and roll days of WC2, but not this dindu nuffin shit.
>>46822017
yes, because the devs gave the horde console commands to make armies out of the ass.
>>46822165
>>46822118
And Garry got his and his horde's shit wrecked both times.
He's a failure of a leader and a terrible character.
>>46822118
>>46822165
>You mean the writers did
They do literally everything.
>but not this dindu nuffin shit.
Garrosh's Horde isn't dindu, it's out and proud Orcish it takes what it wants and doesn't apologise.
>Dindu nuffin
Nobody who says this ever says anything of worth.
>>46822201
>Garrosh's Horde isn't dindu
But its writers and fans are.
>>46822316
>But its writers and fans are.
No they're not. Go'el's Horde is dindu.
Garrosh's Horde is happy to fuck up the Alliance all day every day.
>>46822201
yes, and the universe changes in the most retarded of ways to let him keep doing that.
>jaina about to drown orgrimmar
>random dragon and thrall pull a "think of the little orclets" card
>he is arrested and about to be blammed
>fat panda appears and captures him
>panda gods decide to forgive him because reasons
>everyone decides that they will be as bad as him if they kill him.
>>46822316
>implying these threads arent filled with more arthas/jaina/garithos/daelin/night elves dindu nuffin wank than horde shit
>implying you're even capable of seeing the double standard
>>46822201
>it's out and proud Orcish
See, this is why people hate Garrosh, he changed the meaning of "orcish" from "shamanistic clansfolk with a spartan outlook" to "MAIM KILL BURN".
>>46822365
>>46822385
>horde attacks alliance in every zone since vanilla
>they never lose because that would make horde fans upset
>alliance gets fed up their shit and declares war
>endless bitching on forums about ebul warmongers
>cata comes
>alliance loses everywhere, loses levelling zones, flightmasters and shit
>horde is still dindu nothing and the magic of author fiat helps them in every possible way especially the forsaken
>alliance gets a hippy prince in return who forgives garrosh
>literally nothing happens in SoS, varian pussies out
>horde fans still upset about it
>but we dindu nuffin it was garrosh
>>46822385
Fans of the original horde hate everything after wotlk.
>>46822472
>>but we dindu nuffin it was garrosh
it literally was Garrosh or SoO wouldn't exist
>>46822378
>>jaina about to drown orgrimmar
>>random dragon and thrall pull a "think of the little orclets" card
Think about it again, who gave Jaina the chance to drown Orgrimmar? The writers. They could have just not done that, but they decided it would be a good story.
>he is arrested and about to be blammed
>fat panda appears and captures him
They were about to kill him, but each faction wanted justice and so they gave him to the neutral Pandaren.
>panda gods decide to forgive him because reasons
>everyone decides that they will be as bad as him if they kill him.
That changed nothing. Garrosh busted out before sentence.
>>46822450
Nah, he returned Orcs to their warrior days rather than just being hermits living in a desert seeking spiritual salvation for the crimes of their fathers.
>>46822506
>Nah, he returned Orcs to their warrior days rather than just being hermits living in a desert seeking spiritual salvation for the crimes of their fathers.
But being spiritual hermits WAS the return to the old days, the whole warrior thing was an aberration caused by demon influence. Not to mention that it's not "the crimes of their fathers" when it's almost entirely the same fucking orcs.
>>46822365
Thrall turned the Horde into a faction worth joining.
A faction that Sylvanas threw her lot in with for protection because it was worth joining.
Thrall gave the Darkspear Trolls a home. He helped the Tauren secure their own home.
He worked tirelessly to make his people GOOD in more than just the eyes of edgy babies.
Garrosh ran all of Thrall's hard work into the ground with bad writing and aggressive bullshit and led to his getting his own little Orc Horde stomped twice and him killed for good.
By now, there's no story reason for the Horde to exist at all except to satisfy little horde babies who think "wow! Garry so cool! he kill alliance and doesn't afraid of anything!"
Not to mention Alliance has enough superweapon characters who could wipe out the entire Horde singlehandedly but are stopped because the writers don't want to upset the baby fanbase.
Wow can't believe we are going through this again
See there's only 2 possibility here
Either
1: Orcs were Shamanic warrior who respect life and Garrosh trashed it, thereby making him a asshole
or
2: All Orcs are crazed Murder psychos and Garrosh just returned them to their roots, which makes all Orcs assholes.
Garrosh is an asshole either way, the real question is do you think Orc have redeemable quality, or they are all assholes like Garrosh.
>>46822591
>But being spiritual hermits WAS the return to the old days
Not true. Orcs are warriors first and foremost. Demon blood just drove them berserk.
>Not to mention that it's not "the crimes of their fathers" when it's almost entirely the same fucking orcs.
It's really not though, there's still old Orcs around like Saurfang, but they're old.
>>46822612
Thrall turned the Horde into a faction of pussies. Garrosh turned them into a kick ass warmachine.
>>46822663
>kick ass warmachine.
This all I need to see to know that you are pathetically underaged.
>>46822612
>Garrosh ran all of Thrall's hard work into the ground with bad writing and aggressive bullshit and led to his getting his own little Orc Horde stomped twice and him killed for good.
Garrosh is responsible for the only true instance of a Horde civil war.
>>46822642
Option three, Orcs are warriors who seek to dominate their environment and Garrosh went with that.
>>46822642
Well, according to WoD it's 2, but according to older lore on the main timeline, like Rise of the Horde, it's 1. I know which one I prefer, and it's not the one supported by the worst expansion Blizzard has ever produced.
>>46822676
How? Because war is cool in warcraft?
>>46822472
I'm more angry at the Cata-MoP derail of Garrosh.
Stonetalon Mountains showed pretty clearly that Garrosh wasn't going to let dishonorable actions pass by, but by Theramore that whole thing is gone.
Thrall: THRALL IS MY SLAVE NAME, CALL ME GOKU LIKE MOTHER DRAENOR INTENDED. WE WUZ SHAMANS AND SHEEEEEEEIT WE DINDU NUFFIN WRONG WE WUZ GOOD BOIS WE JUST NEED SOME LUMBER FOR DEM PROGRAMS
>Garrosh: Lok'tar ogar!
No wonder Garrosh was popular among the Orcs.
>>46822612
>Not to mention Alliance has enough superweapon characters who could wipe out the entire Horde singlehandedly but are stopped because the writers don't want to upset the baby fanbase.
Thats exacty why I dont get why they have up the underdog angle.
I loved being part of being these tribal guys who lost their way, did horrible things but now they are trying to rebuild their society and shamanistic culture again. Just a bunch of guys in the desert.
And for contrast you had the alliance, with all the ancients, demigods, naaru, 10k year old generals, 25k year old prophets,flying wizard citiy, armies, navies, air forces supported by a factory city and even a spaceship. Jaina alone could have doused orgrimmar(and very nearly did)
And then just to appease the FOR TEH HORDE XD kiddies hack authors riddick went out their way to enable the horde. They suddenly gained navies despite not having a port. The refugees of a single troll tribe and orcs who could fit on a few ships escaping now had the numbers to fight everywhere.
>>46822683
I love how WoD absolutely destroyed the favorite dindu arguement "b-b-but they drank demon blood!" It took literally one guy and a promise of power to genocide the draenei. Then they drank demon blood anyway.
>>46822681
So you took 2, murder psychos.
therefore according to you all orcs are assholes and deserves to be wiped out from Azeroth, point taken.
>>46822663
>Thrall turned the Horde into a faction of pussies.
Thrall's Horde invaded Theramore and put down Daelin Proudmoore. They're not pussies just because they don't PURSUE war needlessly.
>>46822762
No, three. And please try and wipe out the Orcs. I'm on the side that actually enjoys war in warcraft.
>>46822763
>Thrall's Horde invaded Theramore
And Garrosh wiped it from the map. Plus he didn't have a human princess lusting after his dick.
>>46822762
I wonder why didnt they all just pick up their shit and move back to Nagrand in BC.
>>46822819
>And please try and wipe out the Orcs.
Jaina alone could do it. The night elves could have done it. It took his own daughter betraying him to stop Daeling doing it. The orcs are not as strong as fanboys believe.
>I'm on the side that actually enjoys war in warcraft.
Theres plenty of war without needlessly forced red vs blue that snaps back to status quo anyway. Whats the point of war if one side can lose its fucking capital and nothing comes of it?
>>46822910
>Jaina alone could do it. The night elves could have done it. It took his own daughter betraying him to stop Daeling doing it.
Come at us pink skin.
>Theres plenty of war without needlessly forced red vs blue
Alliance versus Horde is the best war. Monster of the expansion isn't as interesting and is only as good as it's last raid.
>>46822819
No, you picked 2
You wanted the Orcs to be the murder psychos they were.
Stop making things that doesn't exist up
>>46822970
the only reason your pathetic race still exist is because pink skin took pity on you.
>>46822985
>No, you picked 2
Nope, three. Being warriors who don't pussyfoot around don't make you a psychopath.
>>46822970
>Alliance versus Horde is the best war.
Speak for yourself. Warcraft shines when it takes a step back and focuses on exploration, like in vanilla and TBC and to some extent Pandaria.
>>46823009
Their mistake. They'll come to regret it.
>>46822970
She literally had green jesus beg her and her dragon dildo throw a hissy fit to make her back down from destroying orgrimmar.
Blizzard literally said that it would be unfair to the horde player to have dalaran raining fire down on their city.
>>46823021
>Nope, three. Being warriors who don't pussyfoot around don't make you a psychopath.
Well, when their response to a vision is to try and enslave and commit genocide on several races, seems like a bit of a hair-trigger on the psychopath gun.
>>46822970
>Come at us pink skin.
Forum roleplaying? Really?
>>46823021
Yet they decry the time when the Alliance spared them and put them in camps after they tried to genocide humanity as some kind of horrific war crime. They didnt even fight to death, the fucking pussies.
>>46823021
No 2, your race reduced back into murder psychos that slaughter civilians.
Like I said, stop making stuff up,
3 never existed, and never wlil.
>>46823074
>>46823064
Just stop responding to the retard. He's so convinced in his "orcs da best!" mindset that no amount of logic wll change his babby mind.
>>46823074
Horde fanboys are the worst people in existence as we well aware.
>>46823050
>She literally had green jesus beg her and her dragon dildo throw a hissy fit to make her back down from destroying orgrimmar.
What's your point?
>Blizzard literally said that it would be unfair to the horde player to have dalaran raining fire down on their city.
Well it really would be in terms of game mechanics since capitals are supposed to be places to chill out.
>>46823074
>Yet they decry the time when the Alliance spared them and put them in camps
In Thrall's Horde maybe. Not in the good Horde.
>>46823091
>No 2
No, three. How is it psychopathic?
>>46823074
>Yet they decry the time when the Alliance spared them and put them in camps after they tried to genocide humanity as some kind of horrific war crime.
this triggers me
as least the orc apologists aren't as bad as the forsaken apologists
>>46823139
Orcs slaugher women and children, for fun.
3 is something you made up that does not exist in Fluff, stop running from the fact that your race are murder psychos.
>>46823161
>Orcs slaugher women and children, for fun.
I don't recall that.
>stop running from the fact that your race are murder psychos.
They're not. But they aren't afraid to fight.
>>46823204
go read a few warcraft book or play through the cata quest chain then kid.
Yes they are murder psychos
every fluff source confirms it
Stop lying to yourself, you are a murder psycho like the rest of the orcs
>>46823116
Fanboys in general, really.
When fans get together and use their passion for something to create great things, that's fantastic. Fan art? Super. Community projects? Wonderful. It was fans of the original StarCraft that remade the ENTIRE set of original campaigns (Brood War included) for SC2, with nothing asked for in return. There are fans remaking WC3 in the SC2 engine right now.
But when being a fan is reduced to screaming a catchphrase, buying everything with their logo on it, and giggling like an idiot every time someone says some outdated meme regarding their fandom of choice, it's not a place of value. Being a fan is of no worth in this situation.
>>46823232
Well alliance fanboys would already quit WoW by the end of MoP considering how awful it went
So there's only Horde fanboys to mock these days.
If one were to make a skirmishgame based on wc3, how would one go about it? Hero unit with henchmen trying to kill the other dudes townhall while defending your own?
Thinking of sculpting some trolls and nelfs.
>>46822910
>It took his own daughter betraying him to stop Daeling doing it
Because without Jaina, there's no way anyone would have EVER known there were mercenary ships in the area.
>>46823284
Isn't that like... well.. pretty much every wargame out there?
I really don't see the point, RTS is pretty much impossible to replicate on table.
>>46823231
>go read a few warcraft book or play through the cata quest chain then kid.
I have. Garrosh's Horde kill plenty, but they're not psychopaths.
>>46823330
Obviously you didn't
Silverwing. is a good example, and Astarnaar.
Also WoD
Like I said, stop lying
I hate kids who lies.
>>46823366
>Silverwing. is a good example, and Astarnaar.
What's the problem? Destroying enemy positions to take their land does not make you a psychopath.
>Also WoD
Conquerors, not psychopaths.
>>46823330
uhh... Did you miss the part in Siege of Orgrimmar where they had Theramore civilians fighting to the death for their entertainment, because the orcs would kill their children if they didn't?
Then there are the (un)lucky Theramore civilians that are chained to spikes and riddled with arrows.
Smiling Jim was one of them.
>>46823366
Just stop. The idiot kid will never admit that his horde is a miserable pile of shit.
>>46823417
Slaughtering the civilians in the position, aka murder psychopath.
Conquers who enjoy genociding civilian population, therefore psycho path.
like I said, stop lying.
Why do you HAVE to prove that every Orc lover are retarded anyway?
>>46823431
>uhh... Did you miss the part in Siege of Orgrimmar where they had Theramore civilians fighting to the death for their entertainment, because the orcs would kill their children if they didn't?
Did you miss the part where Blizzard outright stated the majority of Orcs were opposed to Garrosh's campaign?
>>46823431
Its called intentional blindness, pretend to be ignorant about anything that damage his narrative.
SJW loves this.
>>46823438
Call it a amusement
I have a genuine question:
Do people just poorly summarise the lore in a one-sided way in order to keep grtting their kicks from having shitflinging fights about the same topics or are they actually convinced of the memetic buzzwords that they throw around?
>>46823317
Just trying to bring this thread back to /tg/ territory, getting a bit sick of every thread being a mix of
>arthas/garithos/garrosh did nothing wrong
>orcs dindu nuffin
>sylvanas did sumfing
Shit aint even the interesting parts of the lore. Fuck orcs and humans, let's discuss trolls and why dey de bes
>>46823431
>uhh... Did you miss the part in Siege of Orgrimmar where they had Theramore civilians fighting to the death for their entertainment
Nope. Such events does not make one a psychopath. Were the Romans psychopaths? No. Death is good clean fun in pre modern world.
>Smiling Jim was one of them.
Was he still smiling?
>>46823456
The retard kid is supporting "Garrosh's Horde" is not psychopath
The majority of Orc oppose Garrosh does not contradict with Garrosh's Horde being psychopath.
>>46823456
>Did you miss the part where Blizzard outright stated the majority of Orcs were opposed to Garrosh's campaign?
please see
>>46823330
>I have. Garrosh's Horde kill plenty, but they're not psychopaths.
Not talking about the Darkspear Revolutionaries. I was talking about Garrosh's Horde.
>>46823454
>Slaughtering the civilians in the position, aka murder psychopath.
Nope. Destroying the enemy emplacement. Civilian casualties are to be expected.
>Conquers who enjoy genociding civilian population, therefore psycho path.
Nope, just conquerors.
>>46823482
Oh, you got me, you cheeky devil.
>yfw
>>46823471
Go look at the Offical Story forum, you will be surprised.
>>46823477
Because Troll is mysterious.
They have a long history, varied tribe and habits, but very little official address on them
To figure out their story from the scraps in quests is interesting, and since they are rarely addressed they haven't being ruined by the retard BZ writer yet.
>>46823516
So murder psychopath
So murder psychopath
The only rebottle you have left is NOPE, which is wrong and you know it.
Just stop lying and admit that you and all orcs are psychopath retards and we can finish this.
>>46823516
and yet taurajo is treated as the shoah.
>>46823575
The only way to win is not to play.
Someone's been trying to wrangle your jumblies- just stop replying to them, because as this thread has evidenced, trolls can spin anything to suit their facade.
>>46823594
>southshore gets plagued
>LMAO FOR TEH HORDE
>treated as a joke
>taurajo, a literal camp of tents gets destroyed
>an alliance commander even disobeys his superiors and lets them escape
>OMG NEVER 4GET ALLIANCE WARCRIMES 5EVER
IIRC it even comes up in the War Crimes book. I was fucking livid.
>>46823575
They're not though. Why do you equate killing people with being a psychopath? More civilians die in war than soldiers and blood sport is very popular.
>>46823594
By some dumb cows maybe, true Hordies just laugh at them intentionally allowing Cows to escape.
So I read in the last thread that shadow priests are getting divorced from old god fluff? Please tell me that is not true. That seemed really cool
>>46823637
>IIRC it even comes up in the War Crimes book. I was fucking livid.
It came up but in a fairly benign way.
>>46823494
>>46823510
Well, kindly disregard, because I am clearly retarded and missed that bit.
>>46823643
even Nazi had problem killing children, but Orcs didn't
Therefore psychopath.
See? easy logic, just you are too retarded to see.
Which is understandable since you like Garrosh's Horde.
>>46823652
They are having some of the skill names removed
But they are still related to old god in the sense of gear and stuff.
Xal'atath do whispers to the Priest who wields it.
>>46823652
No, if anything they're becoming full-on old god cultists, what with their artifact.
>>46823615
I personally liked the Zandalari, and their lore when they become bros with the mogu was pretty neat.
>we are totally gonna betray each other.
>tomorrow
>eh,
>maybe not.
>they seem like pretty cool guys
and now they are best allies.
>>46823637
>>46823663
in what way did it come up?
Baine's emotional bullshit about rebuilding theramore really made me want to genocide tauren.
>we can rebuild it
No you can't you stupid cow. the land is irradiated and gone.
>>46823687
Nah, all children deaths are just collateral.
Again, civillians die during war, look at the Blitz.
So how will the artifacts work? I hear legion will have no weapon drops meaning your artifact weapon is your main weapon for everything. So does that mean for dual (triple) spec pally for example, they get both Ashbringer, and whatever the holy pally wep is?
>>46823736
I liked how Baine was the only horde leader who showed remorse and gave back the hammer he got as a diplomatic gift.
>>46823736
The zandalari betrayal was full retard, we were BFF with them in vanilla and worked togther well in wotlk
>>46823736
Moria and Zandalari are the one I like about post-cata lore.
Its much better than the regular stupid evil that you see around.
Well Baine was a lawyer, lawyer lies.
>>46823765
Nope, their kills are intentional
Stop lying out of your ass to protect your narrative, you little political whore.
>Orc shitflinging
Can't I just hang out with the Darkspears and not deal with this?
>>46823736
The Trolls are a surprisingly bro-tier race when they aren't being invaded.
Drakarri are buddies with the Wolvar. Zandalari are best bros with the Mogu. The Amani and then the Darkspear were close friends with the Orcs.
We should see more Troll being cool bros.
>>46823776
Yes you can have 2 artifact weapon
They level up separately so you need to work separately.
>>46823780
Zandalari turning on us is because Bliz ran out of idea and had to make some new instance out of their ass.
While their reason is not THAT bad it sure was poorly executed.
>>46823809
>Nope, their kills are intentional
Nope, only if they get in the way.
>>46823869
Nope, intentional
Which is why they attack unnotified at civlian villages.
Just quit lieing like the shit whore you are.
>>46823811
because the orc is family, and the orcs are the retarded cousin who should have been aborted.
>>46823830
I thought the Drakkari were the biggest assholes among the trolls, to the point they were sent into exile in the north.
>>46815775
I used to like Sylvanas, until she went infinite plotarmor and can only get killed by ice from ICC.
Then again, I used to like alot of characters in Warcraft that I don't like anymore because they've lived for too long.
>>46823917
>Darkspears nearly wiped out by Murlocs
>Orcs are the retarded ones
>>46823914
They attack strategically viable places. Civilians living there does not make them psycopaths. Look at any war in history and you'll see dead civilians.
>>46823969The Emu War
>>46823914
>Astranaar and Silverwind Post are civilian villages
>>46823950
Darkspear was in conflict with Humans
Then the Naga witch tries to drown the island.
They were never nearly wiped out by Murlocs.
>>46823969
Slaughtering civilian makes them psychopath
Strawman only works on retards such as you, its not gonna work toward people with reasonable intelligence.
Just something for you to know in the future.
>>46824004
> Astranaar not a village
> Silverwing post have literal civilian corpses on the ground
Its like all horde fanboys are inherent liers.
>>46824002
Dem poor emus weren't weren't trained to fight. Remember the 12+ birds.
>>46817332
We also end up getting an Iron Horde defector to help us build our docks to go fight da leejun
>>46824005
>they get chased off stranglethorn by trolls
>they get chased off their island by murlocs
>they get chased off echo isles by humans
>they cant return because a single level 9 witch doctor held them up for years
