You must add ONE thing from Dune into your setting. What is it, and how will it effect your world?
>>46807261
Sex clones.
>>46807261
Prana Bindu.
Now Monks can actually be useful.
>>46807300
Bene Gesserits are OP
>>46807261
Mentat training. Diplomancers will be btfo by metalogical decision trees
>>46807261
Sardaukar.
>>46807329
>First law of Mentat: A process cannot be understood by stopping it.Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it.
>>46807261
Spice. Without the worms I don't know how it'll be produced though.
>>46807378
Through the Bene Tleilaxu method.
I'd add in squood. It looks delicious.
https://youtu.be/mWq15lDh8yM?t=10
>>46807400
Didn't know that was a thing. I'd only read the first novel and a bit of the second. I should get on reading the rest.
>>46807261
The worms are already part of my setting (purple worms, Mongolian death worms).
Other than that I thought the Fremen were pretty cool. Savage fighter jews who don't take no shit from no one - yes please!
>>46807378
Don't have it be produced, just introduce a stockpile of the Not!Spice that was made in the times where the means to make/harvest it still existed. This is how Leto II cucks the whole of humanity for several thousand years, until he lets himself be assassinated and the Tleilaxu eventually figure out how to make an artificial version on the Axlotl tanks.
>>46807455
Dune Messiah is a bit hard. I like Children of Dune just for Alia, and her "struggles".
>>46807261
Sand
It'll let us blow glass more easily.
> fear is the mind killer
>>46807515
There's no sand in your setting?
>>46807525
You have a sick box fetish, don't you?
The idea of no-rooms and the Seona gene in general are great additions to a setting. I'd add them without a second thought.
>>46807528
No, I opted out originally because it's coarse, irritating and it gets everywhere.
>>46807261
Sidereals do a ton of drugs before mucking about with Fate. Always.
>>46807554
naw, i just love the tenets, and that line in particular. I'm just imagining a character reciting it as they walk into the BBEG's fortress.
Giant sand worms. I don't care that my setting already has them, I want more.
>>46807624
I see no problems arising from hat.
>>46807477
THey could bring Alicia Witt back to play her!
>>46807816
I think she might be more suited for Jessica. Alia never aged a day past 18 or 19.
>>46807261
>His name is a killing word
>What's his name?
Fonkin Hoddypeak
>>46807835
Jessica didn't look significantly older than that due to the effects of the spice, Alia just went all the way and stopped her aging outright, which would have got her severely punished or even killed if she was a Bene Gesserit (and they didn't want to kill her anyways due to being a realized Kwisatz Haderach and a pre-born)
People in Dune don't start looking old until they're almost 300 years old.
>>46807897
I have no idea how geriatric melange is, but most people in Dune do not make it to 300
>>46807261
That women have the ability to move and control every muscle in ther vaginal conciously, individually, and with pinpoint control for the ultimate in sexual experience.
>>46807261
Sand.
It's course, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere.
>>46807912
Miles Teg is over 200 years old by the time of the last 2 books and he's not noted as being exceptionally old, just of a respectable age. Fremen and off-worlders who can afford enough spice to actually get addicted consume so much fucking spice they are even more longer-lived than most of the population of the Imperium.
Also take in mind Dune's technology and science is actually ridiculously advanced, they just had to stop using most of it after the Butlerian Jihad.
>>46807261
The OST.
>>46808070
>more long-lived*
Fear is the mind-killer and the little death that brings total obliteration.
power word fear is now significantly stronger.
>>46808164
Power word fear also summons 1d4 bene gesserit matrons with gom jabars?
Gurney Halleck sidekick
He later eventually captains his own starship.
Manned by mutants.
>>46807261
Everyone has blue eyes.
>>46808232
>you will never have a Gurney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDwFgSAOBLA
Having sex with a Nun makes you remember past lives.
>>46807981
But kegels and pompoir already accomplish this, kind of.
>>46808431
Nah. Fucking space monk ninja nuns have such accute control of every muscle in their body right down to individual cell contracts that the sex their vagina's can impart is so great they actually mentally imprint on you on a primal level. They can control you to a great degree just by having sex and people in setting know this is a fucking thing but they still routinely go out of the way to have this godlike sex just because its that fucking good they don't care if its the main way for them to gain control of you.
The Gom Jabbar in conjunction with the rite of ascension into manhood.
WTF is wrong with all you candy-asses and your 'sand?'
>>46808549
Don't forget the less subtle offshoot that forgets pretty much everything EXCEPT the sexual techniques due to not having access to the Spice, so they developed them to the point they can literally go and rape people to irreversibly make them their willing slaves under the promise of more sex.
>>46808672
See? Its like a crazy awesome weapon people are willing to put themselves in front of.
I bring in the worms and then have some bitchin' husks for adventurers to explore because my setting actually has water on the planet.
I like Barlowe's interpretation of the Guild Steersman.
>>46808549
>>46808672
So that's where Exalted got those ideas from.
>>46807261
Local Hutt named Harkonen. Jawas' language for jedi is "Kwizatch Haderach". Jawa siege weapon is a salvaged train-like construct with cannons named "Shaî-Hulud".
HowAmIDoing?
>>46807261
Ornithopters. In my Age of Sail fantasy setting. Sailing aircraft carriers. Fuck yeah, I'm doing this.
>>46808549
>>46808672
I'm legitimately scaroused.
Leto II
But since there is no humanity to save, he just kinda chills out and smokes weed with the powerful people of the setting.
>>46809376
That whole control every muscle cell lets them have super strength too though its energy intesive enough to make the more powerful techniques require you speeding up your metabolic rate to slow time by your perspective giving you impossible reactionary and movement speed at the cost of a single movement making you almost starve yourself to death as you burn through the nutrients and fats in your body.
They also can impart enough force with their pinky alone to crack your skull from a resting place of that pinky being on your forehead no build up of momentum needed.
That muscle control? Yeah they can use that to modulate their voice in such a way that you subconciously do what they say before you have a chance to realize what you're doing.
These are otherwise normal strength and endurance women if they didn't have that special training which takes more than one lifetime to master so they've mastered the art of transfering memories down the female line from mother to daughter.
Their whole deal is making a male version of them as for some reason before dune they couldn't get the memory transfer to work on guys.
They also can't be poisoned, can render food down to simply chemical compositions in their mouth prior to swallowing, internal lie detector, read your mind based solely on the tiny possibly microscopic movements of your body as you talk, and through control their internal mechanism survive in impossibly harsh conditions or live obscenely long lengths of time just by changing their metabolic rate conciously.
>>46807261
Gigantic fucking sand worms.
Nobody goes into the deserts any more.
>>46809555
>not walking single file in eachothers footsteps to reduce vibrations and disguise your numbers
Pleb.
>>46808833
Very blue
>>46807875
>>His name is a killing word
I never did get that.
What's it all about?
>>46807261
Sand.
>>46807261
Dune cat
>>46809946
His name is or contains a word that is directly lethal to those that hear it.
>Hear people mention Dune all the time
>Have no idea what it is
Please anons. Enlighten me to the wonders of this sandy world of worms and spice.
>>46809946
In the movie, MUAD'DIB is discovered to be some super killy resonance trigger for the sonic guns.
I add the integration of corporate and feudal structures whereby nobility not only compete for political power at court, but also in the boardroom and AGMs.
>>46807261
Worms.
>>46810019
>>46810047
Okay then.
Anything on why or how or... anything more about it, or does it just is?
>>46810045
I know little about it myself, and I think I ought to read it. Star Wars and 40k shamelessly ripped stuff from it. That much I know.
>>46809946
In the book, he becomes the Mohammed to his own Jihad. His Fremen massacre untold millions in his name. All in the name of Muad'Dib.
The movie took that in the more literal direction. Their voice powered sonic guns respond to different words. Muad'Dib gives big explosions...
This thread makes me want to re-watch Dune again tonight.
>>46807457
>jews
>zensunni fremen awaiting the return of the mahdi
Anon, I have some terrible news for you.
>>46810134
Cool
>>46807455
Children is worth it for God-Emperor. You should read it.
>>46810045
It's a novel series, though personally, I think only the first one is really worth recommending outright. The later ones you just have to sorta decide if you're going to be interested.
It's the origin of a lot of stuff from Star Wars, 40k, and a fair amount of desert-based sci-fi and adventure stuff in general since then. It's space feudalism between space greeks and space russians over control of space middle east.
>>46807618
You, I like you
>>46810117
Specific frequency.
>>46807261
Sand worms, because I'm boring and that's the most obvious choice.
>>46810045
A foundation work a lot of Sci-fi series has based aspects of themselves off of: I found it a bit dry, but it's good stuff.
>>46810637
>I found it a bit dry
I'll admit it's dry, but I found parts of it to be rather spicy, and I loved how the prose would flow.
>>46807261
Mentats.
>>46808609
Yeah, just animal poison that only kills animals eh?
Might be off topic some what but can anyone give me an order to read the books.
Been meaning to pick it up for a while now but I have some other books I need to finish first.
>>46808081
underrated
>>46810748
Dune
that's it.
If you really get into it, though, Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God-Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Chapterhouse: Dune
>>46810776
>just read a summary of hunters and sandworms of dune
>not even a full length summary, just a few sentences long
>mfw
>>46810876
An "official" fanfiction.
>>46811047
This. I've read both Hunters and Sandworms, and both of the "prequel" trilogies, and they're absolutely fine if you just view them as fanfiction
>>46807261
Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnfL6bjiSKY
>>46808833
Are they meant to be post-human or alien?
>>46811505
Post-human
>>46807261
>spice
>bene gesserit
>mentats
my world just got improved greatly.
kyle maclachlan
>>46808549
See, this is why sci-fi writers should stop writing when their cock doesn't work any more. See also: Robert Heinlein.
>>46809204
Harkonen seems too long, but otherwise good.
>>46810683
>>46808672
>>46812462
>It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
>It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
>It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
>>46807643
>pic related
>>46808833
I love all of Barlowe's art. I have all of his books.
>>46812507
>>46807261
reflector shields
We Star Trek now
>>46812405
It's actually depicted very sensibly, there are next to no actual descriptions of sex in the whole series and none of them are particularly explicit. One of the few times it happens is when they have to awaken the genetic memories of a clone of one of their generals, who's still a kid in his current life, and they spend several chapters discussing whether they should do it or not. Then the Reverend Mother who gets tasked with doing that gets bitch-slapped at superspeed because his Bene Gesserit mother had conditioned him against Bene Gesserit sexual imprinting in his original lifetime
>>46811505
That's what happens when you've had too much spice.
>>46810776
>Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God-Emperor of Dune
that's the philosophical arc from start to finish. God-Emperor brings all the concepts to a close, the two later books are then just fun books about how that galaxy would then maybe be.
>>46807261
I recreate Paul's wardrobe for my dapper swashbuckler. The world changes in that he becomes more baller.
>>46807374
Achilles and the tortoise?
>>46813977
To clarify, when you and lots of generations of your ancestors had too much spice. And by too much i mean amounts higher than average noble takes for year taken in a day. LOTS AND LOTS OF SPICE.
>>46814162
You eat the spice, you drink the spice, you breathe the spice, you ARE the spice.
>>46812507
>Avoided this God tier demon Queen waifu for years becausr this edit /d/eceived me
My rage againts futafags is eternal.
>>46814262
>not knowing her being a futa is canon.
>>46807261
The soundtrack.
>>46807261
Sand.
My character throws it in people's eyes.
>>46808081
We have a fucking winner
>>46813992
>fun
That's highly subjective and many people would call you wrong
>>46807261
Because the movie was passed between so many directors we now have three GM's that are all trying to take the game in a different direction.
Baron Harkonnen
>>46808833
Wait... If Melange is only found on one planet in the universe, then how the living shit have the steersmen evolved to take advantage of it like that?
>>46816953
They didn't evolve. Thats literally what happens to you in a lifetime if you are completely submerged in the stuff constantly. Navigators breathe melange, eat melange, drink melange. They can't even live outside of a tank of gaseus spice.
Spice is weird ass shit mange
>>46816953
Spice is a mutagen on high doses. Addicts just get deep blue stains covering their whole eyes, at the starting stage Guild Steersmen's eyes just darken until they're completely black, and after that is when they begin turning into deformed fish-people who need ridiculous doses of the spice just to stay alive
The Jews featured in Chapterhouse
>>46813992
>implying Miles Teg isn't the core protagonist of the entire series
>>46817999
>The Jews featured in Chapterhouse
That sound stupid.
>>46818051
it is!
>>46818069
Should I just stop at God-Emperor of Dune?
>>46818099
I'm a Frank fanboy so I loved every bit of the whole series, even the cheesy shit like the random tiny sideplot where the Israelites persisted through millenia as a secret cult, also the best protagonist is post-worm.
It's really up to you, my opinion is biased.
>>46818021
Isn't he?
There is literally nothing wrong with liking the prequel trilogies.
>>46819192
>>46818051
A few orthodox jews survived practically unchanged through millenia because of making their societies a microcosm of the rest of the galaxy. Essentially over 5000 years later there still a few jews mad about the pogroms and the holocaust, so they go colonize their own planets isolated from the rest of humanity. Once Leto succeeds at breeding the Siona gene, they ensure all of their population has it so not even prescients can find their planets.
>>46819898
Oh and by microcosm I mean they have their own Truthsayer schools and Reverend Mothers, presumably their own mentats as well.
>>46819384
Alia just trained naked, but she was still aging normally until the Baron started influencing her.
>>46819898
>>46819949
I really doubt that Jewish identity could survive for thousands upon thousands of years that have gone in Dune.
You'd think it would start getting mixed, like Zensufi
>>46820187
That's precisely what they were trying to avoid. It's not like all the jews in the setting got together and said "okay boys we're packing up", it's just a few nutjobs who felt it was necessary to hide themselves from the rest of humanity so that their religion would survive unchanged.
Their track record for the past few thousand years on Earth has been pretty good at least.
>>46807261
Weirding modules.
https://youtu.be/j9a4K3481B0
I want this ceiling-dildo to train my character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rp_krZRLKo
>>46820692
disgusting
>>46807261
The slow blade passes the shield.Maybe dice rolls become inverted? Nat 1 is a crit, anything above target number is a miss? Maybe attacker can apply his modifiers as a negative to compensate?
>>46807261
>>46822025
Also, any spells cast on a shield user causes an explosion for 10d100 damage in an equal number of foot radius.
>>46811505
>>46816953
This version of the Guild Steersman by Barlowe is quite strange. Most interpretations are more obviously human-derived.
>>46810666
Underrated post. Good job, Satan.
>>46822471
What about the Fetal Manatee version?
>there are people here who have only seen the shitty movie
>>46822783
Hey, I read the book first. And the movie is hilarious in a stupid kind of way. This guy says it better than I could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-b7Hjy-T8
>>46822783
But Anon, the good movie was never actually made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4OCeSTL08
>>46822942
This would have been either fucking amazing, or fucking appalling.
>>46822783
At least Lynch absolutely nailed the scene with Paul's test of humanity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCfivcQe48
I didn't like how the "They tried and died" line was delivered so slowly and dramatically when in the book she says it casually, and the chapter ends there.
>>46807261
Patrick Stewart.
What more could you want?
>>46807261
Fremen
>>46822783
I read the first three books, and I saw the movie first. The movie got me into Dune, and I still love it.
>>46807261
>ONE thing
>>46807261
Sting.
>>46814173
You exclusively use Old Spice as your anti-perspirant.
>>46825758
No, you use regular spice for that.
>>46825864
No, you dangus. Melange. The product of the worms.
>>46820692
>>46820698
Lynch said that he went with the Weirding Modules, because he thought that kung fu on sand dunes would be embarrassing [also, merchandising].
Which we all know now is stupid, because kung fu on sand dunes sounds AWESOME.
>>46810117
Keep in mind the movie made the "sonic weapon" shit up, it wasn't lifted from the novel.
Honestly, just go read the novel. But watch the film one last time before you do because you'll hate it forever afterwards.
I guess what I'm saying is that there was no explanation because there wasn't one.
>>46826407
Oh.
Is the killing word thing a thing in the novels?
>>46828064
see >>46810134
The movie took a metaphor and made it literal.
>>46826407
You won't hate the movie. It's just "different". The visuals and atmosphere OTOH are perfect.
>>46828064
Lynch used the weirdling modules as a replacement to all the fight scenes in the book that were adapted because he didn't want it turning into a kung fu movie.
Curiously one of the few things Herbert wrote efficiently and neatly on the original book were the fight scenes, those were genuinely exciting at times, like Feyd-Rautha vs Paul
>>46829459
I'll begin dumping the fight, in fact. It's one of my favorite scenes in any book. For context, take in mind that it is shown much earlier that Feyd-Rautha carries a poisoned blade on the arena fights at Giedi Prime.
>This is the climax, Paul thought. From here, the future will open, the clouds part onto a kind of glory. And if I die here, they'll say I sacrificed myself that my spirit might lead them. And if I live, they'll say nothing can oppose Muad'Dib.
>"Is the Atreides ready?" Feyd-Rautha called, using the words of the ancient kanly ritual.
>Paul chose to answer him in the Fremen way: "May thy knife chip and shatter!" He pointed to the Emperor's blade on the floor, indicating that Feyd-Rautha should advance and take it.
>Keeping his attention on Paul, Feyd-Rautha picked up the knife, balancing it a moment in his hand to get the feel of it. Excitement kindled in him. This was a fight he had dreamed about -- man against man, skill against skill with no shields intervening. He could see a way to power opening before him because the Emperor surely would reward whoever killed this troublesome duke. The reward might even be that haughty daughter and a share of the throne. And this yokel duke, this back-world adventurer could not possibly be a match for a Harkonnen trained in every device and every treachery by a thousand arena combats. And the yokel had no way of knowing he faced more weapons than a knife here.
>Let us see if you're proof against poison! Feyd-Rautha thought. He saluted Paul with the Emperor's blade, said: "Meet your death, fool."
>"Shall we fight, cousin?" Paul asked. And he cat-footed forward, eyes on the waiting blade, his body crouched low with his own milk-white crysknife pointing out as though an extension of his arm.
>They circled each other, bare feet grating on the floor, watching with eyes intent for the slightest opening.
>"How beautifully you dance," Feyd-Rautha said.
>He's a talker, Paul thought. There's another weakness.
>>46829664
cont
>He grows uneasy in the face of silence.
>"Have you been shriven?" Feyd-Rautha asked.
>Still, Paul circled in silence.
>And the old Reverend Mother, watching the fight from the press of the Emperor's suite, felt herself trembling. The Atreides youth had called the Harkonnen cousin. It could only mean he knew the ancestry they shared, easy to understand because he was the Kwisatz Haderach. But the words forced her to focus on the only thing that mattered to her here.
>This could be a major catastrophe for the Bene Gesserit breeding scheme. She had seen something of what Paul had seen here, that Feyd-Rautha might kill but not be victorious. Another thought, though, almost overwhelmed her. Two end products of this long and costly program faced each other in a fight to the death that might easily claim both of them. If both died here that would leave only Feyd-Rautha's bastard daughter, still a baby, an unknown, an unmeasured factor, and Alia, the abomination.
>"Perhaps you have only pagan rites here," Feyd-Rautha said. "Would you like the Emperor's Truthsayer to prepare your spirit for its journey?"
>Paul smiled, circling to the right, alert, his black thoughts suppressed by the needs of the moment.
>Feyd-Rautha leaped, feinting with right hand, but with the knife shifted in a blur to his left hand.
>Paul dodged easily, noting the shield-conditioned hesitation in Feyd-Rautha's thrust. Still, it was not as great a shield conditioning as some Paul had seen, and he sensed that Feyd-Rautha had fought before against unshielded
foes.
>"Does an Atreides run or stand and fight?" Feyd-Rautha asked.
>Paul resumed his silent circling. Idaho's words came back to him, the words of training from the long-ago practice floor on Caladan: "Use the first moments in study. You may miss many an opportunity for quick victory this way, but the moments of study are insurance of success. Take your time and be sure."
>>46829747
>"Perhaps you think this dance prolongs your life a few moments," Feyd-Rautha said. "Well and good." He stopped the circling, straightened.
>Paul had seen enough for a first approximation. Feyd-Rautha led to the left side, presenting the right hip as though the mailed fighting girdle could protect his entire side. It was the action of a man trained to the shield and with a knife in both hands.
>Or . . . And Paul hesitated . . . the girdle was more than it seemed.
>The Harkonnen appeared too confident against a man who'd this day led the forces of victory against Sardaukar legions.
>Feyd-Rautha noted the hesitation, said: "Why prolong the inevitable? You but keep me from exercising my rights over this ball of dirt."
>If it's a flip-dart, Paul thought, it's a cunning one. The girdle shows no signs of tampering.
>"Why don't you speak?" Feyd-Rautha demanded.
>Paul resumed his probing circle, allowing himself a cold smile at the tone of unease in Feyd-Rautha's voice, evidence that the pressure of silence was building.
>"You smile, eh?" Feyd-Rautha asked. And he leaped in mid-sentence.
>Expecting the slight hesitation, Paul almost failed to evade the downflash of blade, felt its tip scratch his left arm. He silenced the sudden pain there, his mind flooded with realization that the earlier hesitation had been a trick - an overfeint. Here was more of an opponent than he had expected. There would be tricks within tricks within tricks.
>"Your own Thufir Hawat taught me some of my skills," Feyd-Rautha said. "He gave me first blood. Too bad the old fool didn't live to see it."
>And Paul recalled that Idaho had once said, "Expect only what happens in the fight. That way you'll never be surprised."
>Again the two circled each other, crouched, cautious.
>Paul saw the return of elation to his opponent, wondered at it. Did a scratch signify that much to the man? Unless there were poison on the blade! But how could there be?
David Lynch played a role in dune. Therefore, I want Lynch in my setting.
>>46829810
I loved Feyd's black and white blade thing.
>>46829810
>His own men had handled the weapon, snooped it before passing it. They were too well trained to miss an obvious thing like that
>"That woman you were talking to over there," Feyd-Rautha said. "The little one. Is she something special to you? A pet perhaps? Will she deserve my special attentions?"
>Paul remained silent, probing with his inner senses, examining the blood from the wound, finding a trace of soporific from the Emperor's blade. He realigned his own metabolism to match this threat and change the molecules of the soporific, but he felt a thrill of doubt. They'd been prepared with soporific on a blade. A soporific. Nothing to alert a poison snooper, but strong enough to slow the muscles it touched. His enemies had their own plans within plans, their own stacked treacheries.
>Again Feyd-Rautha leaped, stabbing.
>Paul, the smile frozen on his face, feinted with slowness as though inhibited by the drug and at the last instant dodged to meet the downflashing arm on the crysknife's point.
>Feyd-Rautha ducked sideways and was out and away, his blade shifted to his left hand, and the measure of him that only a slight paleness of jaw betrayed the acid pain where Paul had cut him.
>Let him know his own moment of doubt, Paul thought. Let him suspect poison.
>"Treachery!" Feyd-Rautha shouted. "He's poisoned me! I do feel poison in my arm!"
>Paul dropped his cloak of silence, said: "Only a little acid to counter the soporific on the Emperor's blade."
>Feyd-Rautha matched Paul's cold smile, lifted blade in left hand for a mock salute. His eyes glared rage behind the knife.
>Paul shifted his crysknife to his left hand, matching his opponent. Again, they circled, probing.
>>46828140
>Feyd-Rautha began closing the space between them, edging in, knife held high, anger showing itself in squint of eye and set of jaw. He feinted right and under, and they were pressed against each other, knife hands gripped, straining.
>Paul, cautious of Feyd-Rautha's right hip where he suspected a poison flip-dart, forced the turn to the right. He almost failed to see the needlepoint flick out beneath the belt line. A shift and a giving in Feyd-Rautha's motion warned him. The tiny point missed Paul's flesh by the barest fraction.
>On the left hip!
>Treachery within treachery within treachery, Paul reminded himself. Using Bene Gesserit-trained muscles, he sagged to catch a reflex in Feyd-Rautha, but the necessity of avoiding the tiny point jutting from his opponent's hip threw Paul off just enough that he missed his footing and found himself thrown hard to the floor, Feyd-Rautha on top.
>"You see it there on my hip?" Feyd-Rautha whispered. "Your death, fool." Andhe began twisting himself around, forcing the poisoned needle closer and closer. "It'll stop your muscles and my knife will finish you. There'll be never a trace left to detect!"
>Paul strained, hearing the silent screams in his mind, his cell-stamped ancestors demanding that he use the secret word to slow Feyd-Rautha, to save himself.
>"I will not say it!" Paul gasped.
>Feyd-Rautha gaped at him, caught in the merest fraction of hesitation. It was enough for Paul to find the weakness of balance in one of his opponent's leg muscles, and their positions were reversed. Feyd-Rautha lay partly underneath with right hip high, unable to turn because of the tiny needlepoint caught against the floor beneath him.
>Paul twisted his left hand free, aided by the lubrication of blood from his arm, thrust once hard up underneath Feyd-Rautha's jaw. The point slid home into the brain. Feyd-Rautha jerked and sagged back, still held partly on his side by the needle imbedded in the floor.
>>46830001
>"Majesty," Paul said, "your force is reduced by one more. Shall we now shed sham and pretense? Shall we now discuss what must be? Your daughter wed to me and the way opened for an Atreides to sit on the throne."
>The Emperor turned, looked at Count Fenring. The Count met his stare -- gray eyes against green. The thought lay there clearly between them, their association so long that understanding could be achieved with a glance. Kill this upstart for me, the Emperor was saying. The Atreides is young and resourceful, yes -- but he is also tired from long effort and he'd be no match for you, anyway. Call him out now . . . you know the way of it. Kill him.
>Slowly, Fenring moved his head, a prolonged turning until he faced Paul.
>"Do it!" the Emperor hissed.
>The Count focused on Paul, seeing with eyes his Lady Margot had trained in the Bene Gesserit way, aware of the mystery and hidden grandeur about this Atreides youth.
>I could kill him, Fenring thought -- and he knew this for a truth.
Something in his own secretive depths stayed the Count then, and he glimpsed briefly, inadequately, the advantage he held over Paul -- a way of hiding from the youth, a furtiveness of person and motives that no eye could penetrate.
>Paul, aware of some of this from the way the time nexus boiled, understood at last why he had never seen Fenring along the webs of prescience. Fenring was one of the might-have-beens, an almost Kwisatz Haderach, crippled by a flaw in the genetic pattern -- a eunuch, his talent concentrated into furtiveness and inner seclusion. A deep compassion for the Count flowed through Paul, the first sense of brotherhood he'd ever experienced.
>Fenring, reading Paul's emotion, said, "Majesty, I must refuse."
And that's about as far as I can go without posting the rest of the end of the book
>>46830043
Oh yes, that same thing about Paul not being able to see another potential Kwisatz Haderach is later abused by Leto II in order to breed the Siona gene, since unlike Paul's his prescience can see other regular prescients, like Guild Steersmen.
>As Sandworms of Dune begins, the passengers of the no-ship Ithaca continue their nearly two-decade search for a new home world for the Bene Gesserit, while Duncan Idaho evades the tachyon net of the old couple Daniel and Marty, now known to be thinking machine leaders Omnius and Erasmus. Among the inhabitants of the Ithaca are young gholas of Paul Atreides, Lady Jessica, and others. Back in the Old Empire, Mother Commander Murbella of the New Sisterhood attempts to rally humankind for a last stand against the thinking machines. The new Face Dancers continue to infiltrate the main organizations of the Old Empire at all levels, having also sent their gholas of Paul Atreides (called Paolo) and the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen to the thinking machine capital, Synchrony.
Who OK'd this?
>>46830561
WTF is this?
Sand. It will allow barefooted walks on the beach.
>>46830561
gholas, gholas everywhere
>>46830842
Brian Herbert, a.k.a. "I See What You're Trying to Do Here, Dad, but Fuck You Let's Star Wars this Shit."
Basically every weird, creepy, atonal thing about Dune comes from Brian. He inserted literal Space Jews into the universe. I'm not misusing "literal" either, there are wandering caravans of Hasidic Jews floating around space in one book. Then you have the Fish Speakers who enslave men with sex and take over the Bene Gesserit, the overwhelming stupidity of Tleilaxu power-crawl, and thinking machines trying to exterminate humanity because reasons.
The political and cultural detail from the original Dune is almost completely lost after God Emperor. It's transformed into pulpy wannabe Asimov shit.
>>46830900
Why make new characters, when you can keep reusing the old ones?
>>46822942
Anyone claiming that Jodorowsky would have made a good Dune movie is fucking retarded. He would have made a weird psychedelic trip that would have put Lynch's to shame, which might have been amusing in itself, but it still wouldn't be anything like Dune.
Watching the documentary I remain convinced he never actually read the book at all.
I really like the Sardaukar, even if they bet BTFO and humiliated again and again.
It's such a cool name. Alternately, the Fremen, I love me some badass minimalist survivalists.
>>46807261
the setting
>>46831125
I agree with you, but people will always have a soft spot for what could have been, instead of what actually happened.
I think that Jodorowsky had contempt for the source material, and was perverting it with his own personal vision.
I think that Lynch did the best that he could, given how hard Dune is to adapt. I think he was able to capture the spirit of Dune, no matter how personally disappointed he was with the final result.
I enjoyed Dune but stopped there after a friend told me that the series only goes downhill. Is this true or have I been memed?
>>46830939
Heretics and Chapterhouse were still Frank Herbert, everything afterward was Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson.
>>46831370
Not for another couple of books.
>>46831370
You've been lied to.
The series walks off into the sunset after Dune only to have the camera turn off just before it twists its ankle, falls head of heels down a steep rocky incline full of cacti breaking several bones including its spine.
After a long night in the hospital and some serious news its then required to come back on set the next day for the next few books before they say fuck it and get a new actor that looks roughly the same but doesn't have that air of general awesomeness about them.
>>46831837
The new actor comes in about 2 books later by the way.
Feyd is cute!
Cute!
>>46831370
Jesus Christ that fucking Alia is creepy.
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>>46831979
honestly if alia isn't creepy as fuck the artist failed you
>>46831370
You've got three books to go. It's the stuff written by Frank's son you avoid at all costs.
>>46832261
Artists failed me when they never produced a decent amount of grown-up Alia art.
>>46832261
Nah, I know, but that one definitely succeeded.
>>46831370
I liked the entire thing that came from Frank Herbert. Didn't read what his son put out, but honestly what's the point?
Dune after the first book is less about Dune and Paul, and more about what he set in motion. And I liked that very much, and even if most people here will meme about the random bits they didn't like, the writing was still way above-par.
I have two Dune questions.
Why did Paul suddenly gain his sight back, after he went into the desert? I thought the whole point was that his destiny was spent. That killing Scytale was the last thing he could ever do with sight.
What sort of plan could Baron Harkonnen have had to save Alia, after their confrontation? Leto is pretty much a super-human at that point,
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>>46831125
Oh come on, it would have been marvellous.
Sure, about as close to the source material as Holy Mountain is to the new testament, but I really hope no one ever thought Jodorowsky would have made anything else. He himself has said as much, the word he choose to describe how he'd treat the original being "rape".
>>46831358
Yeah, the mini-series may have stuck to the books, but they ended up rather bland and soulless IMO. Lynch was somewhere halfway between that and Jodorowsky, but he did manage to get some life and spirit into it.
>>46832431
I guess Dune is about a pivotal moment in history, but add in the other five and it instead becomes a series about the flow of history.
>>46832534
Paul's prescience is more powerful and unique than usual prescience users. He can see the past and present like most but also the "now". He can see the current universe in the form of prescience visions. This lets him "see" shit like fleets floating around his planet or various activities that go on else where. He honed that ability to be able to "see" his surroundings using prescience rather than physical eyes.
He convinced himself later after only seeing his son not his daughter, and a lot of self doubt, that he'd lost his prescience and so he did. Then he walked blind in the desert showing the tribes he actually did care for them and that no one was above the law no matter the status.
>>46814303
. . . . Sauce? On mobile.
>>46831125
>Watching the documentary I remain convinced he never actually read the book at all.
In the documentary he outright says he never read the book.
Adaptations are finicky and prone to annoying fans, honestly he's a stellar filmmaker and while deviating from the source material into a psychedelic immaculate conception story would still have been a treat to watch.
>>46834465
>psychedelic immaculate conception story
I'd watch that.
>>46807261
>there are people who don't think Paul Atreides is the most evil being who ever lived
He killed literal billions of people and sired the Tyrant. He has literally zero redeeming features and everything he did served to make the universe a worse place. If he'd had a conscience he would have stopped the second he had visions of what he would unleash, but he kept on the path of jihad so that he could kill those mean old Harkonnens and avenge his daddy.
>>46834911
Who was worse, Paul or his son? Paul has higher stats in DPY (deaths per year) for sure but Leto II had thousands of years of tyranny and subjugation under his belt, likely accounting for trillions of dead at his hands.
However, we're talking big picture here. The Golden Path ended in a net gain of souls somewhere in the quintillions or some other unfathomable number. You can't really look at these things in a microcosm, anon.
>>46834959
Leto, by far. I could not wait for the smug fucker to die.
>>46814262
What is it from?
>>46834959
If I remember correctly the Golden Path was cooked up to force three things into humanity. The innate distrust of charismatic leaders/tyrants, the Diaspora and immunity to prescience. This was supposed to ensure the survival of the human race. All-in-all a billions/trillions of lives in exchange for eternity sounds like a good deal.
>>46834911
Thats just short term thinking anon. Don't be a sheeple and try to think big picture here.
Both of them broke some eggs, yes. But thats peanuts compared to all the lives the golden path would ultimately help. If people stopped being selfish pricks it would have happened much faster and without the crazy amount of bloodshed.
If 1 person has to die to make the future of 1 trillion, if not more, vastly better and more fulfilling then isn't that a worthwhile sacrifice? Especially when that 1 we're talking about isn't making any real contributions to society at large?
Macrocosm the universe is better. Microcosm the quality of life is better.
Everything is better.
Quit being a shitter.
>>46835286
>All-in-all a billions/trillions of lives in exchange for eternity sounds like a good deal.
If you aren't one to pay the price
>>46835286
I feel like Step 1 is something that would be forgotten after a handful of generations.
>>46835226
Bunny Black.
>>46835310
Its not a price, its an investment and your fair share. Think taxes mixed with the draft had a kid and that kid had an affair with russian roullete. Like i said its not bad and if you asshats didn't put up a fight others wouldn't get drawn into the crossfire and the actual deathcount would have been peanuts compared to the peanuts it was.
>>46807261
Space Arabs trapped in space Saudi Arabia.
It effects nothing, since they're halfwit primitives on a useless ball of sand and stone.
>>46835415
sardaukar pls go
>>46835335
You're talking about a galaxy that let a mere thousand year reign destroy and prevent any technological use or advancement of computers or anything above abacus level computations. That death count was a few billion.
You're talking around 5-6 thousand years and several tens of trillions of lived including planets wholely extinguished by 2 people.
They'll remember.
>>46807261
i add that weird music instrument Captain Picard uses at some point.
And i make a bard character out of it
>>46822471
What this guy said >>46822779
>>46807618
Quality post
>>46835335
Innate distrust of charismatic leaders/tyrants? Leto II spent ,what, 3,500 years showing humanity day-in-day-out how brutal tyranny is. He basically did everything to shackle humanity and grind the oppression into the animal subconcious. People are still afraid of the dark to this day. I think it'll work for a long time.
>>46822025
It would have to co-exist with the chance to hit, not just invert it: the slower blade will pass the shield, but it's also easier to dodge/parry. It seems more like you need to willingly lower your attack bonus.
>>46835634
It's easier to understand due to Dune's concept of genetic memory. It's implied that instincts and even a significant part of a individual person's intuition comes from subconsciously accessing the memories of their ancestors.
Another thing Leto did was turning humanity into a incredibly harsh matriarchy so that men could "mature" as easily as women, since suposedly women are forced to grow up when they bear children, whereas many men could live their whole lives without getting out of the mentality of a teenager. That worked on the same way on a genetic level and also culturally to achieve a true gender equality once he died
>>46812528
>Dune sandworm, Jupiter worm and a Graboid being ridden by Kevin Bacon
Is this from a book? Which book? I must own it!
>>46836036
The reads like the unholy offspring of a /pol/ and tumblr marriage.
>>46836292
That's a good summary of the Dune series anon!
>>46835286
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>>46834959
>Consequentialism
>>46836292
I mean Dune is definitely feminist in at least some degree since Herbert's wife was his muse. Herbert puts an almost mystical value on reproduction and only women can go through the Spice Agony (except for the Kwisatz Haderach). But calling it tumblr is way, way, way, way off the mark if you've actually read the books. /pol/ even more so, he occasionally touches into the concept of the ubermensch (as in, as conceived by Nietzche, not the horrendous Nazi butchering of the concept) and there's the rather bizarre appearance of the orthodox jews in space but that's about as /pol/ as it goes
>>46836483
There's no need to push your views into a fictional series. Leto and Paul only did what they did because if they didn't, humanity would inevitably go extinct soon due to how much they fucked with the species' fate by using their prescience. It's not a matter of philosophy, it's a matter of saving the species from imminent danger
>>46807261
desert waifus.
>>46836836
>the two fingers you want protected in a knife fight aren't protected
>>46836873
That's a stillsuit not armor. It still doesn't make sense for the fingers to be bare or for her to not be wearing a mask, but after getting prana-bindu training it's not like the Fremen need protection against anyone else. The Bene Gesserit explicitly don't use weapons or armor because they choose to rely on their own bodies, and because they don't need them if they're going against normal people
>>46831125
>Watching the documentary I remain convinced he never actually read the book at all.
I haven't watched the documentary, but he did pretty much set it out in the behind the scenes book of the Metabarons. It's clear that his vision would out-Hollywood Hollywood.
>>46810045
The LOTR of Science fiction.
Many, many, sci-fi setting can attribute much of their inspiration from Dune.
>>46836789
>it's ok to kill billions of people because my drug addled fantasies tell me I'm saving the universe!
I've always been thinking about reading Dune after seeing the Lynch moviewhich I actually enjoyedbut this thread has convinced me to never touch the books.
Some of the stuff seems more cringeworthy than the average 40k novel.
>>46837028
If only we could convince you to stop guzzling dicks instead
>>46837028
They're pretty good actually, especially the first one.
>>46837028
I don't know what to tell you if you think Dune is at any point more cringe than 40k. I think you may just have shit taste.
>>46837028
Depends on what you consider cringeworthy. It's a Space Epic with a lot of high concepts and it's well-written.
>>46837004
>take some wicked drugs and get a nightmare
>okay better go to work now
>haha hope the city doesn't burst into flames cause i ate wheaties rather than cheerio's like my drug dream said it would
>WOOOOAH! Deja vu! The city IS on fire.
>i'm sure its nothing...
>woah that hot bitch in account said she had the same damn dream and so did literally all of her friend who apparently make a living off that shit and prevent city fires
>oh well i doubt she'd bang me like in that other drug drea-
>woah she says she totally has to bang me now!
>its almost like my fucking drug dreams come true
>cue a lifetime of drug dreams coming true and these dreams happen the same way for literally every drug user ever cause that what the fucking drug does
>hold up lemme let humanity march towards extinction while i question the validity of shit thats proven itself millions of times over
Yeahokay.
>>46837028
You are a faggot with bad taste.
Not about the movie, mind you, but pretty much everything else you said is fucking garbage.
I'll begin dumping another scene, this time it's Murbella confronting the Honored Matres. This one's longer, but unlike the other pdf reader I used yesterday, this one doesn't keep that fucked up format when I copy text, so it's literally just copying and pasting. I also won't bother putting it on greentext.
Looked at one way, the universe is Brownian movement, nothing predictable at the elemental level. Muad'Dib and his Tyrant son closed the cloud chamber where movement occurred.
-Stories from Gammu
Murbella entered a time of incongruent experiences. It bothered her at first, seeing her own life with multiple vision. Chaotic events at Junction had ignited this, creating a jumble of immediate necessities that would not leave her, not even when she returned to Chapterhouse.
I warned you, Dar. You can't deny it. I said they could turn victory into defeat. And look at the mess you dumped in my lap! I was lucky to save as many as I did.
This inner protest always immersed her in the events that had elevated her to this awful prominence.
What else could I have done?
Memory displayed Streggi slumping to the floor in bloodless death. The scene had played on the no-ship's relays like a fictional drama. The projection framework in the ship's command bay added to the illusion that this was not really happening. The actors would arise and take their bows. Teg's comeyes, humming away automatically, missed none of it until someone silenced them.
She was left with images, an eerie afterglow: Teg sprawled on the floor of that Honored Matre aerie. Odrade staring in shock.
Loud protests greeted Murbella's declaration that she must rush groundside. The Proctors were adamant until she laid out the details of Odrade's gamble and demanded: "Do you want total disaster?"
Odrade Within won that argument. But you were prepared for it from the first, weren't you, Dar? Your plan!
The Proctors said: "There's still Sheeana." They gave Murbella a one-man lighter and sent her to Junction alone.
Even though she transmitted her Honored Matre identity ahead of her, there were touchy moments at the Landing Flat.
A squad of armed Honored Matres confronted her as she emerged from the lighter beside a smoking pit. The smoke smelled of exotic explosives.
>>46837482
The squad behind her relaxed slightly.
"You did not come all the way in that lighter," the old one accused.
"I escaped from one of their no-ships."
"Do you know where their nest is?"
"I do."
A wide smile spread on the old one's lips. "Well! You are a prize! How did you escape?"
"Do you have to ask?"
The old one considered this. Murbella could read the thoughts on her face as though they were spoken: These ones we brought from Roc -- deadly, all of them. They can kill with hands, feet, or any other movable part of their bodies. They all should carry a sign: "Dangerous in any position."
Murbella moved away from the lighter, displaying the sinewy grace that was a mark of her identity.
Speed and muscle, Sisters. Beware.
Some of the squad pressed forward, curious. Their words were full of Honored Matre comparisons, eager questions Murbella was forced to parry.
"Did you kill many of them? Where is their planet? Is it rich? Have you bonded many males there? You were trained on Gammu?"
"I was on Gammu for the third stage. Under Hakka."
"Hakka! I've met her. Did she have that injured left foot when you knew her?"
Still testing.
"It was the right foot and I was with her when she took the injury!"
"Oh, yes, the right foot. I remember now. How was she injured?"
"Kicking a lout in the rear. He had a sharp knife in his hip pocket. Hakka was so angry she killed him."
Laughter swept through the squad.
"We will go to Great Honored Matre," the old one said.
So I've passed first inspection.
Murbella sensed reservations, though.
Why is this Hormu adept wearing those enemy robes? And she has a strange look to her.
Best face that one at once.
"I took their training and they accepted me."
"The fools! Did they really?"
>>46837028
I'm sorry you got that impression.
Dune itself is probably the greatest sci fi novel ever made, and the rest of the series written by Frank is great too.
>>46837536
"Did she teach you well?" That same challenging voice from behind.
Murbella identified the questioner: middle echelon and ambitious. Anxious for notice and advancement. This is the end of you, anxious one. And little loss to the universe.
A Bene Gesserit feint drifted the feather that was her foe into range. One Hormu-style kick for them to recognize. The questioner lay dead on the ground. Marriage of Bene Gesserit and Honored Matre abilities creates a danger you should all recognize and envy.
"She taught me admirably," Murbella said. "Any other questions?"
"Ehhhhh!" the old one said.
"How are you called?" Murbella demanded.
"I am a Senior Dame, Honored Matre of the Hormu. I am called Elpek."
"Thank you, Elpek. You may call me Murbella."
"I am honored, Murbella. It is indeed a treasure you have brought us."
Murbella studied her a moment with Bene Gesserit watchfulness before smiling without humor.
The exchange of names! You in your red robe that marks you as one of the powerful surrounding Great Honored Matre, do you know what you have just accepted into your circle?
The squad remained shocked and looked at Murbella with wariness. She saw this with her new sensitivity. The Old Girl network had never gained a foothold in the Bene Gesserit but it performed for Honored Matres. Simulflow amused her with a parade of confirmation. How subtle the power transfers: right school, right friends, graduation and transfer onto the first rungs of the ladder -- all guided by relatives and their connections, mutual back-scratching that managed alliances, including marriages. Simulflow told her it led into the pit but ones on the ladder, the ones in controlling niches, never let that worry them.
Today is sufficient unto today, and that is how Elpek sees me. But she does not see what I have become, only that I am dangerous but potentially useful.
>>46837604
Turning slowly on one foot, Murbella studied Elpek's squad. No bonded males here. This was too sensitive a duty for any but trusted women. Good.
"Now, you will listen to me, all of you. If you have any loyalty to our Sisterhood, which I will judge on future performance, you will honor what I have brought. I intend it as a gift for those who deserve it."
"Great Honored Matre will be pleased," Elpek said.
But Great Honored Matre did not appear pleased when Murbella was presented
.
Murbella recognized the tower setting. Almost sunset now but Streggi's body still lay where it had fallen. Some of Teg's specialists had been killed, mostly the comeye crew who doubled as his guard.
No, we Honored Matres do not like others spying on us.
Teg still lived, she saw, but he was swathed in shigawire and shoved disdainfully into a corner. Most surprising of all: Odrade stood unfettered near Great Honored Matre. It was a gesture of contempt.
Murbella felt she had lived through such a scene many times -- aftermath of Honored Matre Victory: swaths of their enemies' bodies left where they had been brought down. Honored Matre attack with the bloodless weapon had been swift and deadly, a typical viciousness that killed when killing no longer was required. She suppressed a shudder at the memory of this deadly reversal. There had been no warning, only the troops dropping in wide lines -- a domino effect that left the survivors in shock. And Great Honored Matre obviously enjoyed the shock.
Looking at Murbella, Great Honored Matre said, "So this is the bag of insolence you say you trained in your ways."
Odrade almost smiled at the description
.
Bag of insolence?
A Bene Gesserit would accept it without rancor. This rheumy-eyed Great Honored Matre faced a quandary and could not call on her weapon that killed without blood. Very delicate balance of power. Agitated conversations among Honored Matres had revealed their problem.
>>46837679
"Our weapon of last resort and we wasted it!"
Logno, who thought herself supreme, stood in a different arena now. And she had just learned of the fearful ease with which Murbella could kill one of the elect.
Murbella cast a measuring gaze over Great Honored Matre's entourage, gauging their potentials. They recognized this situation, of course. Familiar. How did they vote?
Neutral?
Some were wary and all were waiting.
Anticipating a diversion. No concern over who triumphed as long as power continued to flow in their direction.
Murbella let her muscles flow into the waiting stance of combat she had learned from Duncan and the Proctors. She felt as cool as though standing on the practice floor, running through responses. Even as she reacted, she knew she moved in ways for which Odrade had prepared her -- mentally, physically, and emotionally.
Voice first. Give them a taste of inner chill.
"I see you have assessed the Bene Gesserit quite poorly. The arguments of which you are so proud, these women have heard them so many times your words go beyond boredom."
This was delivered with scathing vocal control, a tone that brought orange to Logno's eyes but held her motionless.
Murbella was not through with her. "You consider yourself powerful and clever. One begets the other, eh? What idiocy! You're a consummate liar and you lie to yourself."
As Logno remained motionless in the face of this attack, those around her began moving away, opening space that said, "She is all yours.
"Your fluency in these lies does not hide them," Murbella said. She swept a scornful gaze across the ones behind Logno. "Like the ones I know in Other Memory, you are headed for extinction. The problem is that you take so infernally long dying. Inevitable but oh, the boredom meanwhile. You dare call yourself Great Honored Matre!" Returning her attention to Logno. "Everything about you is a cesspool. You have no style."
this excerpt is some Brian Herbert coattail riding isn't it?
Stupid Herbert estate cockblocking another shot at a decent Dune film.
>>46837761
It was too much. Logno attacked, left foot slashing outward with blinding speed. Murbella grasped the foot as she would catch a wind-blown leaf and, continuing the flow of it, levered Logno into a threshing club that ended with her head pulped on the floor. Without pausing, Murbella pirouetted, left foot almost decapitating the Honored Matre who had stood at Logno's right, the right hand crushing the throat of the one who had stood at Logno's left. It was over in two heartbeats.
Examining the scene without breathing hard (to show how easy it was, Sisters), Murbella experienced a sense of shock and recognition of the inevitable. Odrade lay on the floor in front of Elpek, who obviously had chosen sides without hesitation. The twisted position of Odrade's neck and flaccid appearance of her body said she was dead.
"She tried to interfere," Elpek said.
Having killed a Reverend Mother, Elpek expected Murbella (a Sister, after all!) to applaud. But Murbella did not react as expected. She knelt beside Odrade and put her head against that of the corpse, staying there an interminable time.
The surviving Honored Matres exchanged questioning looks but dared not move.
What is this?
But they were immobilized by Murbella's terrifying abilities.
When she had Odrade's recent past, all of the new added to previous Sharing, Murbella stood.
Elpek saw death in Murbella's eyes and took one backward step before trying to defend herself. Elpek was dangerous but no match for this demon in the black robe. It was over with the same shocking abruptness that had taken Logno and her aides: a kick to the larynx. Elpek sprawled across Odrade.
Once more, Murbella studied the survivors, then stood a moment looking down at Odrade's body.
In a way, that was my doing, Dar. And yours!
She shook her head from side to side, absorbing consequences.
>>46837773
No, it's a fragment from Chapterhouse: Dune, the last book in the original series. I'm almost done
>>46837851
oh damn I forgot, it's been awhile
also I just remembered thatOdrade dies, I thought it might have been a ghola or something
I'd add prana bindu, knowing exactly what's wrong with your body sounds neat
>>46837824
>note that in this scene, Miles Teg is a pre-teeen ghola
She gave her attention then to what must be done. These deaths had created an enormous debt. Murbella took a deep breath. This was another Gordian knot.
"Release Teg," she said. "Clean up in here as quickly as possible. And somebody get me a proper robe!"
It was Great Honored Matre giving orders but those who leaped to obey sensed the Other in her.
The one who brought her a red robe elaborate with soostone dragons held it deferentially from a distance. Large woman with heavy bones and square face. Cruel eyes.
"Hold it for me," Murbella said and when the woman tried to take advantage of proximity to attack her, Murbella dumped the woman hard. "Try again?"
This time there were no tricks.
"You are the first member of my Council," Murbella said. "Name?"
"Angelika, Great Honored Matre." See! I was first to call you by your proper title. Reward me.
"Your reward is that I promote you and let you live."
Proper Honored Matre response. Accepted as such.
When Teg came to her rubbing his arms where the shigawire had bitten deep, some Honored Matres tried to caution Murbella.
"Do you know what this one can --"
"He serves me now," Murbella interrupted. Then in Odrade's mocking tones: "Isn't that right, Miles?"
He gave her a rueful smile, an old man on a child's face. "Interesting times, Murbella."
"Dar liked apples," Murbella said. "See to that."
He nodded. Return her to a cemetery orchard. Not that prized Bene Gesserit orchards would endure long in a desert. Still, some traditions were worth perpetuating while you could.
>After here is a scene of Murbella discussing with the Odrade in her genetic memories, but that's even longer and leads to the Gainax tier final chapter which nobody understands
>>46837886
wow if I actually read any of it I would have noticed that Odrade is inside murbella's consciousness
>>46837028
Probably because you succumbed to the 4chan tribe mentality of "muh sjw", "muh /pol/", "muh magical realm" and other such bullshit rather than actually thinking for yourself, and now you want to stay away from anything even remotely resembling those concepts because you're afraid of straying from the incoherent aperage excuse of a doctrine dictated by hormone-addled nerds on an anonymous Fresh Pasta Garnishing board.
Herbert's no hack, most of the subjects he chooses to tackle in the series are done in a tasteful and logical manner, and never engages in the faillings of 40K hacks and bad GMs.
>>46838029
The Honored Matres themselves can be interpreted a big fuck you to settings like 40k
>>46838067
By revealing that extremism born of need and perpetuated out of fear and tradition leads to a deadly blindness to those more clever?
>>46838067
Women having strength while being the power behind the scenes is not a new concept. It's a concept older than Christ, about 2000 years older. It happens in Celtic, Chinese, and African history and mythology multiple times. It happened in Egypt verifiably twice, even.
>>46838470
No, not the Bene Gesserit, the Honored Matres. That's the Bene Gesserit's grimderp bastardization in the Scattering which go around blowing up planets out of spite
>>46838571
They're still doing reasonnably well in Heretics Chapterhouse until they majorly piss off the Bene Gesserit, and the Bene Gesserit achieves victory through sheer guile.
As a faction, the Honored Matres are shown to be successful, hell, that's the whole point of the later books.
So, how exactly are they a "big fuck you to settings like 40k?" Bearing in mind that Herbert probably ignored the mere existence of that particular setting.
>>46838438
The Honored Matres don't do their shit out of need, they do it out of a lust for power. They're by far the largest, military power in the history of humanity, but as it turns out having enormous bureaucracies where everyone's out to get each other and the only way to reach the top is to kill everyone who gets in your way and generally be the edgiest fucker around completely falls apart when you meet someone who can't be simply zerg rushed into oblivion. It's revealed that they aren't INVADING the Old Imperium, they're FLEEING from something else, which on the final chapter of Chapterhouse are revealed to be just 2 face dancers who became sentient and discovered a way to weaponize the Holtzmann effect
>>46838664
the very last Frank Herbert Dune novel was published 2 years before the existence of 40k
