Why aren't more girls into MtG?
Tabletop RPGs are fairly popular with women, you see lots of them at the tables even sometimes as GM, but Magic seems to completely repel them.
Why?
Players.
>>46780329
But they play tabletop rpgs.
>>46780291
I've seen lots of girls play Magic. In my experience they're just not as big into the competitive scene, more into casual play and the fluff.
>>46780366
Tabletop has a much wider audience than MtG.
>>46780291
Women like money, RPGs are relatively cheap and magic doesn't fulfil wish achievement.
>>46780291
P'n'P is all about communication, they are genetical programmed to prefer that more than quite competetive games like MtG. Of course, there are always people who differ from the average so significant more women into MtG than e.g. wargame tabletops.
>>46780366
Well, what you have to remember about TTRPGs is that, by and large, they are the segment of Tabletops Games that is most likely to be played in private homes as opposed to in a public game store.
Sure, you have stuff like Pathfinder Society and just random games run at stores, and sure, there are some casual Magic groups that play only in private, but the fact remains that on average, a given player is much more like to be able to play Shadowrun at their friends house with only people they know and much more likely to play Magic in a game/card shop.
And since the crowd at game/card shops I majority male, with a sizeable amount of Fedora-totting neckbeards that think any woman who lets a guy pay for a date is a prostitute (actual opinion I've heard expressed at my local store a few times), the atmosphere isn't exactly welcoming for most women.
Thus, TTRPGs are by far the most likely part of the hobby as a whole to attract female players, since they can just play in private with people they know and don't have to deal with the toxic neckbeards.
>>46780291
>Why?
Combination competition games aren't a woman thing. Same reason they're less into chess.
>WOMEN AREN'T--
Cool your jets, I'm explaining, not claiming they're incapable of it.
>>46780291
Have you SEEN people who play MtG? Even the Yu-Gi-Oh crowd looks more approachable. I know two people who play MtG but refuse to join me at FNM because of the people there. Sure, a lot of them are nice guys, but the card shop is usually 90 degrees in the winter just from fa/tg/uy body heat and they tend to stare when a normal looking female shows up.
>>46780291
I wouldn't compare MtG to tabletop roleplays in the first place. I like role-playing but I'm bored with most card games. Also the anon who pointed out competitive aspect is right.
>>46780291
>game that requires thinking and on the spot decision making
>women
>>46780291
Sexism
>>46780697
>90 degrees in the winter
Bullshit, people literally can't survive such temperatures.
>>46780745
>>game that requires thinking and on the spot decision making
You're not very up to date with Modern and recent editions in general, are you?
>>46780291
Too triggered.
>>46780765
Sorry, 90 degrees F
In my experience, it's due to the male preference for strategic competition more than anything else.
Men: "I'm going to put together this deck, and I'm going to beat this guy."
Women: "I'm going to go in the other room and hang out with the people who showered"
>>46780783
I didn't say it was complex decision making. making a left turn isn't a complex decision but you know...
>>46780765
>can't tell difference between C and F
kek m80
>>46780805
they have sex shortly after this right?
>>46780745
This. Also, math, forethought, learning, planning, and overall accounting for things going wrong. This turns a lot or people off, but some people will want to come back and do better. Usually men, just statistically speaking.
Example: most new players I play with go from "this is fun" to *flings deck across room* the first time the big timmy creature they've been saving since t1 gets counterspelled. Someone who isn't a bitch will immediately learn to wait until the opponent has no lands untapped to try it again. Someone who's a little bitch will ragequit for life.
>>46780958
>Someone who's a little bitch will ragequit for life.
I wish they would, far too many of them keep playing and complain every time a creature that dies to removal is printed.
>>46780379
>women like money
>anon as a man does not like money
>>46780329
This, basically.
Magic players are, by and large, shitty, hyper-competitive assholes who tend to treat women like objects, unicorns or both. I mean, go visit any magic thread on /tg/. Sure, this is 4chan, but the biggest assholes on the board are in threads about women, and the second biggest assholes on the board are in M:tG threads. When they DO show up for Magic, half the time the most palatable attitude they run into is in this very thread. Even if that point of view is accurate, why would anyone want to put up with that?
>Stop making sweeping generalizations about magic players!
>My sweeping generalizations about gender dynamics are fine, though
>>46781067
what a load of crap lol, women get treated like shit everywhere. at least when they go to the bar its not full of fat dudes.
>>46780291
Dude: I wish more girls liked MTG
Girl: I like MTG
Dude: No you don't, fuck you. What's the length of Jace's inseam?
>>46781067
Bull.
Shit.
>gender dynamics
Fucking hell. Are people not allowed to like different things?
>>46781167
I have never seen one dude be like that. Asked how many GPs she's topped, maybe, but not minor fluff trivia.
>collecting shit
>strategy and optimization
>competition
Females typically enter /tg/-related hobbies by way of the artistic/creative side, so there's not much for them in Magic. There's no misogynistic conspiracy here.
Because Maro isn't pandering to them enough yet.
>>46780930
It's Liliana, take a guess.
>>46780329
This. You get a pretty wide mix of people on the social spectrum when you play TTRPGs these days, even pickup games are more likely to land you in the company of relatively well adjusted people than not, but nearly every person I've run into whose primary game is MtG fits the "fat unwashed neckbeard" stereotype to a T.
>>46781456
It's not a conspiracy. The *only group of people* who don't think Magic players are assholes are, surprisingly, Magic players (and that's not even all of them).
>>46781595
Must suck to be you. Around where I am most Magic players are fairly average college guys. Very few fat unwashed neckbeards, although we're not entirely without them.
>>46781665
Alright, that's fair, but even still. It's like asking why there's not more guys who are into Twilight or romcoms or whatever. It's not the fujoshi scaring them away, even though they might exist; it's that there's not a whole lot there to draw them in in the first place.
>>46781708
>Must suck to be you
Nah I don't even play Magic.
It's a misogynist hellhole filled with body-shaming neckbeards.
>>46780805
Garruck is every beta muscle male i've ever met. Most aren't necessarily even bad guys but they just believe stupid shit to feel good about themselves and it's always awkward, sometimes embarrassing and never ultimately helpful.
They just need a big woman to calm them down and tell them its alright.
>>46781708
same here. the first time I encountered fat ugly neckbeards was at my first Pre-release. Before this, I played with folks at my school, and we were pretty average (exept ce fact we played magic, but hell).
We even had a female player (and not a fugly one, pretty fuckable).
And not all the magic neckbeards are assholes. They may smell like one, but some of them are actually nice. They helped a friend of mine build his deck for his first prerelease.
>>46780366
mtg has a lot of technical rules that MUST be followed. Tabletop rpgs can be lenient with the rules for beginners.
>>46781456
if you don't think deck building is art related you don't know a lot about oneor bothof the two things you're talking about.
>>46781665
Wait, we don't think we're all faggots and assholes?
>>46781456
my gf plays and is almost exclusively into the competitive side with a tiny bit of vorthos thrown in
she wants to spend more money than I do on the game
>>46782270
this doesn't affect what you're talking about though which is women playing card games. 8 year olds are capable of playing this game man. Sure they're not the best, but they could sit down at any fnm in america and not miss their triggers if they're paying attention.
I 100% believe any reasonably selected 10 year old could pilot Bant Company right now in standard at a real tournament and be fine
Socially, mtg players are horribly awkward, even amongst themselves. Part of the game is social and if everyone is a splerg lord it kind of ruins it.
Social tip: Floss, put on deoderent, shave/groom, shampoo your hair, wash your actual asshole and wear clean clothes. Girls notice if you do not do all those. They really do notice. It always blows my mind how stinky the place can get.
>>46780291
Because TTRPGs is playing pretend, and MTG is a complex and competitive card game?
>>46782396
Yes it does. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying girls can't understand it because it is hard, I'm saying girls do not see the use of wasting effort to learn it when all it is is just a card game.
Man-children can put a lot of energy in stupid shit, girls do not see the point.
>>46782394
that's why he said typically
exceptions always exist
>>46782492
If you don't think girls learn stupid shit because they find it fun you literally must live in a monastery and know girls through fairy tales and your holy book.
>>46782557
I have a very kicking social life and have a healthy ratio of girl and boy friends. I literally just told you what two of them told me during our weekly game night. Fuck you.
There are a so-so amount of girls on this board and they never speed up the end of these shitty threads by cutting down the bullshit.
>>46782652
Well, your friends are airheads, that's all they informed you of.
>>46780329
This.
>>46780291
Nerd funk.
>>46780291
The community. It is why I quit, and proof that most women must be smarter than I am as they don't get into it in the first place. The amount of teenagers(schlubs) and neckbeards would turn most normal people off.
In my experience, RPGs are much more well established and are played entirely with a group of friends, not strangers, which is more ideal.
>>46780291
From what i've gathered its the player base which admittedly has a higher concentration of shitters and autists which ultimately is the root of womens dislike of "nerds". Combine this with the common public idea that all card games are children games (namely pokemon or yugioh since those have shows aimed at children) compounds this issue.
Cost benefit they run a much higher chance of running into creepers and it costs a good bit of money to get into the actual game itself where people often play to win and use more money than the average to do so and the fact that its not a "be what you want" type of escapism" means satisfaction is lesser for a lot more work than downloading pdf's, joining people like any other social meeting, and making their idolized self or some creative idea turned into a character they really like.
>le women don't invest time/too dumb/don't play hard games
The reason is the community.
TTRPGs are almost exclusively played in private with personal acquaintances and friends, which allows for a better overall environment.
MtG is played much more at clubs and stores than at home, and thus you have a lot less control over who you play with. This leads to a much higher proportion of neckbeards, that guys, and general shittery as you can't really weed out the bad apples in such a loosely defined pool.
It just so happens that the shitty players that don't thrive in small social groups (D&D) and do thrive in open pools (MtG) also tend to be the kind of player that make things unpleasant for women.
If you could choose between playing a game in which you only had to interact with a group of people you got to vet (to a degree) and playing a game in which you had little or no control over who you played with (and thus, wound up playing shitters more often than not),which would you choose? Regardless of gender?
MtG is easy to play. TTRPGs are easy to play. However, the nature of each create very different play environments, one of which is amenable to new players, one of which is not.
>>46781665
speak for yourself
>>46783631
>public idea that all card games are children games
All anyone needs to do is say Magic is like poker and chess mixed together to dispel that idea.
>>46783216
I wouldn't mind having some black qts at FNM
>>46780291
>Am Good friends with that chandra cosplayer
God, I never thought I'd see people I know on this fuckin site.
In any case, she plays mtg extensively and, as far as I am aware, is quite good at legacy. EDH leaves something to be desired.
>>46786817
I'd fuck your friend
Because they can tell it's shit
>>46787091
But they made Twilight popular enough to get movies.
Dont blame the game, blame the players
>>46780291
Femgamers are more drawn to cooperative games rather than competitive ones, except for wargames for some reason. MtG is very much a "I'd beat my wife if I had one and I wasn't prone to getting beaten by girls myself" level of mentality.
>>46786240
Uses a video game representation of a game thats only considered decent in the proffesional league which also happens to be full of shitters and try hards in it for the money.
Almost like MTG.
And don't gimme any of that "but its tkes skill!" Bullshit. You can either card count which takes HS math at most or you get lucky and the only thing that would fuck you up is if someone with basic social observation skills can pick up on your tells which you'd have to be an unadjusted manchild to not be able to sit still with a straight face for a few hours.
Whats next? You gonna use Uno as your next defense?
>>46780329
This magic players are shit. Smelly, noisy, thieving shits. Even 40k playerbase can't compete.
>>46780291
Dunno, but sure I'd be into that Liliana.
>>46787250
>MtG is very much a "I'd beat my wife if I had one and I wasn't prone to getting beaten by girls myself" level of mentality.
wew lad
I can't believe I'm actually reading this tripe on /tg/
I usually stick to generals so I must have missed the meme of 'haha mtg players are pigs LMAO!'.
Very fucking mature.
>>46788907
Its common opinion, anon. And not just "common on /tg/." Common but actual traditional games community as a whole common.
Out of 10 people 9 will refuse to start up MTG as its now consider autism central and they want nothing to do with it. The other .5 people won't due to the paywall.
Sadly this is now being extended towards other card games.
>>46780291
>Why aren't more girls into MtG?
Because you people are fucking disgusting
>>46780930
If by sex you mean he left to the planes where the Cainveil was, due to the demon bull shit that is happening with him. Only to then have a hedron shoved into his chest, and for him to then kill 2 unnamed planes walkers... Then that shit was tight
>>46780291
>Why aren't more girls into MtG?
1: It's competitive, not social. Women tend to prefer hobbies that aren't a one on one fight, that's why you see more of them into boardgames and rpgs than magic and wargaming.
2: Guys, to a much greater extent than girls, play games (tg or vidya type games) all their lives, they develop a different kind of framework to absorb new rules and game mechanics. It's a lot more offputting for women to get into a hobby with a rulebook that's longer than the one for golf.
3: the fucking players, jesus christ man. Boardgames and rpgs are much more of an "play with your friends in an environment that you chose and control", wargames and tcgs have a bigger tournament or pickup game component that involves interacting with the average player, any sensible person would be turned away by that, but guys have built up a much bigger tolerance.
>>46780291
Women aren't competitive and don't like the scent of dried cum and sweat.
>>46780291
Do you know what the #1 thing that normal, non /tg/ people know about MtG is?
That it's that game played by a bunch of fat slobs showing their buttcracks that that guy who looks like fat Jon Snow made famous on le reddit.
Magic and similar hobbies have a horrible PR problem among people who aren't already addicts.
>>46789498
>PR problem
Reality problem, you mean
>>46789505
That's exactly what I mean, but there's not enough done by Wizards to cover up the rancid buttcrack of reality.
>>46780366
Tabletop RPGs are, by nature, a very social hobby. You get together with a group and have fun, and rules can be relaxed or changed depending on what the group wants, and adventures can go a ton of different directions.
Magic really only has some friendly game rules to tack on to the rules that it does have. And fuck me, it is unfun to play against a lot of players. Some decks can be absolutely broken, while others offer no challenge. And it's not really a social hobby because any talking distracts from the game itself.
>>46786240
But look at all the bright colors and magic! Surely, it's a game for children. Adults wouldn't need those things.
>>46789512
Only bit i don't get is why rpg type games have suddenly had a resurgence among the normal folks of society recently. No other traditional game aspect gets this uplift every so often as rpg's do. Its like 5 years waxing 1 year on top 5 years waning 1 year almost forgotten.
>>46789556
and look at all the pseudo porn and macho fantasy art. Its like they're directly targeting pubescent children or sexually frustrated adult males.
>>46789565
I don't really think it's cyclical as much as it's just a growing trend. Mainstream media has become a lot more dorky, the biggest grossing movies are based on comicbooks, there are shitty tv shows about dysfunctional nerds etc.
The reason RPG games appeal to normal folks as you call them is really just logic. It's a social hobby. You use your imagination. You're part of a story, you roll some dice, you get up to shenanigans that are controlled by the host. It sounds like fun, and easy to get into, just get a book and some dice.
Compare that to wargaming which is a very involved and time consuming hobby that is hard to know where to start with, or tcgs that mainly exist as a way for nerds with too much money to one-up each other as an outlet for their impotent competitive streak.
Role-playing games is something you do with a select group of friends, it creates it's own sort of microcosm and it's not mainly an activity you do with strangers or in public places, you don't have to dip your toes in the smelly public nerd pool to enjoy them.
>>46789590
You're saying that like it's not a staple of mainstream fantasy already.
People are a lot more cool with gratuitous eye-candy in entertainment than the nerd-talibans who demonizes any kind of sexiness in gaming in order to look respectable to people who don't care give them credit for.
>>46789641
I attempting satire.
>>46789665
I was*
Damn autocorrect.
>>46789665
Well don't quit your day job.
I remember when I just started playing magic with friends, making Timmy decks and playing kitchen sink stuff. I was making a deck with Mirrodin cards in like 2005 because I was playing so many control decks that it annoyed my friends.
The employee at the card shop laughed at me and then said "I'm sorry, I guess I've been a judge so long that I only think about how good a deck is competitively. I bet that would be fun."
I played for a while after that but he was only the first asshole of many I met playing MtG. I have met far fewer playing TTRPGs. I went to 1 tournament more competitive than FNM, and it sucked because the collection of self important assholes. Maybe just the region, but it kept me from ever getting "serious".
>>46780291
Sort of related: how do I get into tabletop RPGs? I've never played one and I kind of want to start
>>46789665
You need to ham it up a bit on the internet. Use a few exclamation points, say obviously a lot.
>>46789734
1: no matter what anyone tells you, seriously, the most important thing is not what system you use, the most important thing is the group you play with. I can't stress this enough. If you find people that you like hanging out with, you're golden. Got friends who want to play it with you? Awesome, just go for it.
There are like one brazillion rules sets out there that you can download for free, or just buy some books second hand.
LOTS of people will recommend D&D to you, with arguments like, it's what most people play, it's easier to find groups etc, but keep in mind that D&D is kind of separate from mainstream fantasy and very much it's own thing. If you go into it with the attitude that you want to play characters and have adventures like in fantasy books, you'll get very disappointed. It's also fairly rules heavy (compared to other rpgs, even though people will say that the newest edition is "easy" to pick up compared to previous editions)
Think more about what flavour of fantasy/sci-fi and so on you are interested in, what type of conflicts or situations interest you, and what you would like an ideal playing session would involve and it's easier to give you a solid answer.
In the meantime, just go to the PDF share thread and download like 15 rpgs and just browse through them and see if anything tickles you the right way.
>>46789790
This fantasy-book thing is really important to keep in mind - it's not your story, but the entire group's story. You're not the main character. Try to fit in with the others, don't try to wrest the story away from everyone else or be cool all the time.
This is hard to get used to when you first start out, since you'll think it's going to be an epic adventure, but it may never go anywhere, no one may ever try to delve into the deeper aspects of your character, and there may not even be much roleplaying.
>>46789825
Honestly, that part was mostly aimed specifically at D&D. There isn't a lot of mainstream fantasy about churning out DPS and dungeonlootcrawls.
In games that are geared more towards playing somewhat realistic or down to earth characters it's easy to facilitate social play or stories that make sense.
Stuff like GoT and the LotR got tons of people interested in mature fantasy adventure, but then they picked up D&D and realize that they're looking at WoW without graphics and there's a massive disconnect between what they had in mind and what the game is geared for.
I'm not saying that D&D is bad, it's really good at being D&D, and it's totally okay to be into D&D, but it is very different from what people who approach roleplaying from the angle of being fantasy book nerds look for. It's more of a gamer's rpg.
>>46789877
That is a pretty good point, and sums up what I was trying to say better than I was. I just had trouble looking at it from that angle because I think of dungeonlootcrawls and DPS more with videogames than D&D.
...Come to think of it, most of my past DMs have tried to make stories, while players tended to more for treating it like a game and getting loot.
>>46786918
>>46788384
People who have nothing to contribute but pointless come ons. People who think this passes for banter. People who think this is how you flirt. This is why people stay away from FNM.
>>46780291
This is a rhetorical question right?
>>46780291
Because they have good taste.
>>46790596
Too be fair 99.9999% of female cosplayers i've talked to will act offended as piss in public when hit on or slobbered over but when alone or away from the event they brag to each other about how much attention they got.
Only person who legitimately seemed to be into cosplaying for cosplay spirit was a tylee cosplayer with a huge rack entirely ignorant of fact everyone "liked" her dance cause it made her tits swing. She doesn't cosplay anymore.
>>46790659
Now that's just sad. People truly enjoying what they do, even for hobbies, seems to be in such a minority.
>>46780291
>Why aren't more girls into MtG?
Because the playerbase consists of socially stunted adolescents and autistic manchildren.
Every girl I've spoken to regarding mtg either prefers a casual setting with their huaband/bf (who introduced them to the hobby), or doesn't play anymore due to competitive "pro-player" weirdos who've ruined thier experience with the game.
>>46783788
Nothing forces you to go to sanctioned events. Buy a booster box to share with everyone in the small group and play casually.
>>46782411
Agreed
>>46790596
>>/tumblr/
>>46786817
There have been photos of me in costume on this site. It's a really weird feeling. But I suppose it wasn't inevitable since I was in a public place with a fair number of people taking pictures.
>>46791822
You're that Jace Beleren fuckface, aren't you?
Magic is a strategy game, which seems to repel women.
All grills I've seen in RPG groups have been into he roleplaying and fantasy aspect and not so much the optimization and fighting aspect. And when you think about it MtG is all about optimization and fights.
>>46790659
>Only person who legitimately seemed to be into cosplaying for cosplay spirit was a tylee cosplayer with a huge rack entirely ignorant of fact everyone "liked" her dance cause it made her tits swing.
I still have those videos. They're sexy. It's still a good costume, and the girl was very cute (and made even cuter by clearly enjoying what she did). But yeah, there are those swinging tits.
>>46780291
>Why aren't more girls into MtG?
We play online.
>>46792308
She legitimately liked doing the dance cause it made others happy. She just didn't know why.
>>46791954
Nope. Couldn't cosplay jace if my life depended on it without looking completely wrong. I cosplayed the Clown Bike gang leader from AKIRA.
>>46792364
Pic kind of related, yeah?
>>46792380
!
Post photos.
>>46782306
Deckbuilding an art?
Sure. Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
>>46792386
Jesus this is depressing.
>>46780291
It's probably the social and roll playing aspects of dnd that appeals more than the competitive ,you vs. me aspect of mtg. Besides, have you ever spent time around the social rejects that play mtg? If you have, you won't wonder.
>>46792398
I've taken off some weight since the photo was taken, but yeah, fa/tg/uy indeed.
>>46792584
This is pretty damn good.
>>46780765
Lmao, this fucking guy. And people wonder why girls don't want to associate with these autists.
>>46792584
you look like a bro.
i'd ride with you.
Women are a fucking meme, that's why.
>>46792538
Netdecking competitive tards such as yourself obviously do not apply.
>>46792386
Poor girl..
>>46780291
Speaking as a woman, it comes down to community for me. While I've enjoy playing people in tournaments in the past, I find the average tournament player takes the game far too seriously. They're so tense the entire time. Many of them don't even respond to casual small-talk during casual play. And it's not that I was overly perturbed bu this, bit I'm a social creature. I like to have social interactions. I feel like that's a fair thing to say. And there were so very few players who were actually interested in even becoming acquaintances.
That being said, there was also a lack of female presence in the community. Not that that's inherently bad, mind you. I spend most of my time around men anyway. But it would be nice to have another social girl to talk to. In the year I played tournaments, i only met one self-confident girl. And she wasn't even a player.
And there is something to be said when most of the players I encountered were not only socially deprived and not my gender, but they were usually younger and sweatier than me, too. Needless to say, I found the casual/fnm scene fit my needs. So I stopped going to tourneys.
TL:DR
The players.
I've just been through half this thread, and I just wanna say the reason women don't play magic as much as men is simple.
Re-read this thread and there's your answer, I guess women are just less likely to put up with some of the dumb shits we all are. Make of that what you will.
>>46793072
Dis niggah gets it.
>>46789412
Sounds like what he thinks sex is.
>>46792584
Holy shit, dude, you nailed that cosplay. Nice.
>>46792605
>>46792737
>>46793393
Thanks for the compliments! I have a few more photos, but I'm at work right now, browsing on a cellphone.
>>46792308
Yo, where are the videos?
>>46793027
>she wasn't even a player
Was she a judge? I've seen a big increase in female judges lately
>>46794485
YouTube.
>>46794660
Got a name?
MTG cosplay brings up a lot of shit, mostly collage vids.
>>46794696
She wasn't an mtg player. Just a general cosplayer who liked to dress up as ty lee.
>>46794761
Like I said, a name, or just go hunt?
>>46780291
Magic doesn't repel girls. The people who play Magic repel girls.
>>46792584
Fuck yes mah nigga
The world is better because of you
>>46782652
>two girls told me this thing
>all girls must believe this as well and there no possible exceptions
You sure sound like a smart and reasonable person.
>>46794865
>says the guy arguing about women on 4chan
>>46780291
Take a look at who plays Magic.
I've seen some grills here and there playing, but most of the people who play are fat neckbeards that smell.
>>46794769
Hunt it won't be under her name. Try ty lee cosplayer dance or some shit.
Literally every woman I know who plays MtG does it with friends, at home, expressly to avoid the noxious playerbase. If they play online, a few even have a M on their profile to preventively get rid of the obnoxious shitheads instead of having a ban list longer than the Book of Kings.
>I-its because the community!
Settle down, you white knighting cucks.
"It's because the community!", just like STEM? Because the only possible explanation that women aren't participating in the same activities that men are is the problem is the men, right?
>>46795116
Comparing apples and oranges here.
>>46795116
Actually a woman telling you this
Greasy, unwashed low-functioning autists aren't fun to play with, even when they don't top it all by being 300 pounds mouthbreathers.
Shape up and girls might stop pretending not to play
>Just like STEM
Women earn most of the actual degrees in science, and in some countries math as well. TE is pretty much doomed to be the purview of cave dwellers in large parts because it's a vicious circle of betas who think they're getting cheated if they can't get at least one place in the world where they're good enough to beat girls.
>>46795187
>Actually a woman telling you this
Doesn't matter. You're on 4chan, meaning you're a shitty representation of women to begin with.
>Greasy, unwashed low-functioning autists aren't fun to play with, even when they don't top it all by being 300 pounds mouthbreathers.
Leave it to women and white knight cucks to judge people by their appearance and act like their morally superior for doing so.
>TE is pretty much doomed to be the purview of cave dwellers in large parts because it's a vicious circle of betas who think they're getting cheated if they can't get at least one place in the world where they're good enough to beat girls.
Yeah, you're not treated like shit in the traditional games community because you're a cunt. It's definitely because you're a woman. Look at all those white knights who are agreeing with you!All those fags defending you are also trying to fuck you too.
I fucking love neckbeard, they repel bitches like you who think everything should pander to their sensibilities.
>>46795259
>t. neckbeard
It's not like you're particularly interesting, worldly or educated either.
>>46795259
And people wonder why women don't want to get into traditional games.
>>46795286
No, I just hate the idea that if there isn't gender equality in representation in something there must be something wrong and it's the men doing it ( unless it's female majority, in which case it's totally fine and those same people never question it ) that liberals have.
>>46788907
>walk into an MTG tourney
>literally everyone is a large, overweight, hairy man in a t-shirt
>walk out
>>46795662
That's really fucking weird, because I watch MTG tourny streams a lot and I rarely see any of these unwashed obese neckbeards that you hypocrites claim are infesting the hobby.
Even at my LGS the only obese guy I can think of is the owner, and he's not unwashed nor an autist.
Seems to me you people are just trying to rationalize general female disinterest in games.
>>46795662
Hairy is fine. Large is fine. Unshowered and fat is where the problem lies.
>>46795646
This >>46795259 is literally what's wrong. People wonder why there a given group is around, and people come in hurling insults at the people for not being around.
Look, do you remember being four years old and your dad sitting you at the table and telling you that you're going to eat your damn broccoli and like it?
It's like that, only Magic the Gathering isn't a nutritious vegetable. It's overpriced cardstock.
Back when I was a teenager during the Ravnica days I used to have this fantasy where the hot/rich/popular girls at school were all secretly huge nerds that would play among themselves in secret. They would send their little brothers or their boyfriends to buy them the stuff and during sleepovers they would deckbuild, play against each other, shittalk the ravnican waifus, discuss who was the superior ravnican husbando, discuss what guild logo would make the best trampstamp, and get hyped for the next expansion.
I somerimes still wish real life was like that.
>>46795741
But then what would you fantasize about?
>>46795709
>hypocrites
>>46795714
It was the musk that drove me off. I was trying to escape it; my roommate plays the tuba in the band, and his sweat-scent permeates the room if he's in it for more than ten minutes with the windows shut.
>>46795724Both of those are me
>and people come in hurling insults at the people for not being around.
Look at this thread and say that shit again. It's actually the opposite, people are stereotyping and insulting the already existing community, WHO IS FUNDING THE FUCKING GAME.
You want to kick them out and replace them with women, why? Women aren't going to keep the hobby going just because you remove "those gross neckbeards" because if neckbeards were the problem, they would just form private groups with people who have been socially vouched. They don't do this, because THEY AREN'T INTERESTED IN THE HOBBY ENOUGH TO DO SO. Now those neckbeards? They sure as hell make their own communities and draw lines if they don't like the others enough. Because they actually enjoy the hobby, they fund the hobby, they support the hobby.
>>46795802
Yes, hypocrites. They are upset at neckbeards for stereotyping women and acting like autist towards women, failing to realize they are stereotyping and insulting the so called neckbeards.
You thirsty betas are disgusting. You would sooner deprive these people of their few outlets and joys in life ( they certainly aren't social butterflies and well adjusted from what you say ) just so females can casually dabble in the hobby and maybe you might get your dick wet eventually.
>>46780291
Because the MtG communities contain a vastly high populace of males who are disgusting people towards females.
>>46780291
It's a good question.
I think for one thing Magic players are fairly socially undesirable, both in terms of their company and in terms of being seen in their company.
Second, I know through personal experience and from reading academic research that women don't tend to deal as well with failure when learning something new. They are raised being told they're clever for no real reason, so when they fail to be good at something, even something really physically impossible to just be good at, they take it hard.
Thirdly it's a fairly substantial commitment of time and money and a lot of the social rituals women have already take a lot of time and money.
>>46795869
>conflating all the different viewpoints in the thread into a single viewpoint
>conflating anecdotes with stereotypes
>>46796456
When my experience conflicts with their experience, I can only assume they are unfairly stereotyping.
I believe my experience on the subject is broader as I watch streams of tournaments, and likely have more exposure to more players than they do.
I might be wrong, but that would depend on there being this weird correlation of people who are good at the game not being neckbeards despite everyone claiming that the game is full of them.
This pretty much sums it up.
Women don't appreciate technical things, they look at something and just want it to work. Men want to understand how it works.
Stop assuming men = women. They have different biological drives and desire different things to interest them.
>>46796549
There aren't many people in the thread professing their skill level, only providing their take- and often without much provided personal context. Half of the people here are probably just regurgitating information they digested elsewhere.
In my own case, I've been to three LGS (all different flavors of shitty), and a couple MTG rooms at nearby conventions. None of these venues had many kinds of Magic players other than the frumpy ones.
But the guys who play Magic on my college campus? All yuppie quasi-jocks, essentially, burning their parents' money on collectible cards. Some were decent enough, some were total assholes.
I decided the hobby wasn't for me.
>>46796775
>>46796775
For (you)
>>46796809
>>46796830
Anon isn't wrong.
Cosplay is literally attention seeking behavior. And being ignorant that being a woman in a majority male environment completely fucks it up is not an excuse to do so.
I find it funny how male hobbies need gender equality. Women are allowed women only groups but men aren't allowed men only groups?
>>46796944
Gynocentric society and people who don't want to face the facts that women might not be perfect angels mate. They refuse to look into evolutionary psychology, which explains so much shit going on that we can make reasonable tests for.
You won't change them though, they need to get fucked over by women so hard they become MGTOW in some fashion or they will carry on pussy begging and ignoring the reality of hypergamy.
>>46796944
Except he is ridiculously wrong.
The idea that it's always been male only is outright fabrication, and a part of pretty stupid narrative; more kinds of women exist than attention seeking whores.
More than that, the idea that everyone involved in a hobby sits at the same table is a completely retarded one. The only people who complain about the "purity" of a hobby are autists and the poor fools who founded their identity on their hobby. Every /tg/ hobby has expanded to include the more casual players, yes. People being hipster-nerds happened, yes. Know what also happened? The old games never stopped existing. The old players still have their own tables. There's no zero sum game.
More than that, demonizing the entry of new blood is hilariously self-defeating; without more players, a hobby will truly die, and no content nor any new experiences will be created.
>cosplay
Hoo boy. For one, cosplayers cosplay, not every fucking girl involved in hobbies. For two, yes a big draw can be seeking attention, but there's a lot more kinds of it than just trying to draw male gaze. And third, men cosplay too. Always have.
>>46797183
Since when were you under the impression that men couldn't be ridiculed for being attention whores as well?
All cosplayers are terrible, all of it is attention seeking behavior.
No one is saying it's male only you shitty cunt. We are saying women are such a minority that they shouldn't be pandered to for various reasons.
On the community part, because it invites attention whores.
On the business part, because women interested in the hobby aren't a large enough consumer base to support it.
Casual players are total shit. They spawned retard formats like EDH where every fucking spoiler season they look at shitty terribly designed cards and say "would go great in my edh deck" EVERYTHING GOES GREAT IN YOUR EDH DECK YOU SHITTY CASUAL I fucking hate edh players so fucking much.
>>46780329
This.
>>46797262
Did you not read that awful comic you're defending?
>at this point, females join the vast majority/totally male hobby
>>46786817
>EDH leaves something to be desired
You're telling me
>>46797183
>Start playing Dungeon adventure 2.0
>Have a group of 5 guys
>We like the complex rules
>DA 3.0 dumbs it down, casual players invade
>We still play 2.0
>Dave has a kid and can't attend any more
>Bert has to move for his job, so only 3 of us left
>Try to recruit new members but every forum and person I talk to plays 3.0 and doesn't want to learn a new system,
>3.0 just isn't as fun because it uses different stat systems and everything is just worse
Welp can't game any more. But the old books still exist so it's totally okay :^)
>>46781456
This desu. I'm tired of the smelly fat MtG player stereotype. I don't know if it's different in the states but over here you get very few that fit in that category at a given event.
>>46789512
we need to all get /fit/
Just out of curiosity, is everyone saying that they have fat smelly MTG players at their store, from the USA?
>>46797403
>we only like our version of turd
>waaaa why won't someone else learn our version of turd
>>46796944
Jokerfag from earlier (>>46792584)
reporting in. Cosplay for me is not attention seeking. I just happen to enjoy being in costume. I only speak for myself of course.
>>46795259
>white knight cucks to judge people by their appearance
At least once a week a thread on /tg/ gets deleted because of neckbeards throwing a tantrum over a photo of an unattractive female.
>>46797575
Excellent response to someone proving you wrong.
>>46797403
>I got old, the post.
Yeah, it sucks.
Have you tried selling someone who hasn't played at all on the topic?
>>46797551
I am, at least.
When will the ID politics craze go back down to 90s-2000s levels?
>>46798162
When neckbeards try to stop playing identity politics so hard for their own side. It's not fucking autistic oppression to say MtG players should have hygiene.
>>46798162
>When will the ID politics craze go back down to 90s-2000s levels?
The Internet is the world's largest echo chamber.
>>46780291
Women enjoy the roleplaying aspect of RPGs, but they don't have the analytical minds necessary for strategic gameplay.
>>46798229
>Playing a children's card game makes me feel superior
God, do you post behind seven fedoras?
>>46780366
I have met far more women who play MtG than rpgs. The thing is, there are also far more men who play mtg than rpgs, drowning them out. If there has been a decline, I'd put creepy waifu card mats and sleeves high on the list of reasons why.
Also, games like pokemon have a greater appeal because "cute".
>>46780765
>eurocucks >>>/out/
>>46793681
A girl taught me how to play. She quit after she borrowed a friends burn deck and got ass mad when I beat her with my janky starter deck after using a mutiny card to steal her mogg fanatic, swinging, and sacraficing it and thought it was against the rules.
>>46799851
A boy taught me how to play and I beat him with cards nobody apparently uses in competition and a bunch of tweaks on elfball setups.
>>46795782
I don't know.
Convince them that Kamigawa wasn't that bad?
>>46780291
Because in Magic, it's win or lose. It's a competitive game. RPGs are not. Ultimately, they'll get their shit pushed in and women hate losing.
>>46795741
>discuss what guild logo would make the best trampstamp
Would that make a good OP for a thread, or would it get killed on sight?
>>46796944
There are a lot of men only groups, and the reason there seems to be a lot of women only groups is because they're being lauded because historically only men got together and did shit like that.
>>46780291
The playerbase.
Wizards themselves are going to great lengths to open up the target audience to everything beyond the stereotype.
The playerbase on the other hand is only beat out in terms of caustic autism by a small handful of terrible fandoms on their bad days.
This thread is an alright example of the latter.
>>46789412
Can you say that again without losing your mind in the middle of that thought?
>>46780291
What is it with liliana cosplayers that never look like they're into it
>>46780829
Underrated Post Award
>>46806527
They wish they were cosplaying Elspeth instead
>>46780958
[citation needed]
>>46781067
Nailed it.
Female intelligence has a lower standard deviation than male intelligence. Which means most women are smart enough to not shell thousands of dollars on a card game when they can spend under a hundred on board games or roleplaying books and have the same amount of fun.
>>46811290
Yeah but their majority sits firmly within the "average" range and we all know the average human being isn't all that bright.
>>46801070
If that's the case, why do you see so many women playing board games? The gender ratio isn't 50/50 or anything, but it's certainly closer than MtG.
As a girl, I love playing MtG with my brother and friends at the kitchen table getting high as all hell, but all my interactions with the community outside of that have been absolutely awful.
For a short time I went to go play at college where the nerds hung out between classes and you honestly would not believe the amount of harassment I got just from playing there, and how many times I was told to go make a sandwich, my deck only being good because my bf made it for me (he didn't even play MtG), and dudes being creepy as hell towards me.
Was the exact same when I went to EDH night with my brother. 300 pound neckbeards hitting on me, or just incapable of any sort of regular conversation and joking around.
Ironically, playing 40k was the coolest community to play with, was a really fun crowd to be around. Although I guess that's because the group vets everyone that wants to join to make sure they don't suck.
>>46782252
>We even had a female player (and not a fugly one, pretty fuckable).
THIS IS WHY.
>>46780291
>have gf
>we play casual with friends
>she has 4 Different vampire decks
Women prefer cooperative games, RPGs fill that niche. Even board games do to a better extent than Magic, being much more social.
At its highest levels Magic tends to be hypercompetative and lacks the social element, which puts a lot of women off (and a large number of men too, you really have to be into winning for its own sake to want to play Magic at a pro level). So when women do get into the hobby it tends to be at the kitchen table/local fnm level. Which is obviously less public.
The number of nerds who don't know how to take a shower on Friday doesn't help of course.
>>46811802
That's kind of universal, though. Listen to politics sometime - doesn't matter who a woman is, she's going to be evaluated based on whether people would fuck her.
Not that it's not terrible, just that it's business as usual rather than something unique to MtG.
>>46812557
So the less fuckable the more competent a female politician is?
>>46811814
You should make her a Treefolk deck.
Because she needs to branch out.
>>46813824
>the less fuckable the more competent a female politician is?
For one, it would explain Thatcher.
But it would also imply Merkel is truly the visionary beyond our present-day understanding and I refuse to believe that.
>>46813877
>tfw history will remember Merkel as the greatest chancellor of Germany for reasons
>>46780329
First MTG game with my own cards I lose.
The other guy used a paper printout and a placeholder for a winning setup.
Not even mad, just disappointed.
Plenty of women are into MtG, you just don't see them because they play casually with their friends rather than going to FNMs and tournaments all the time.
As to why they don't go to FNMs and tournaments as much as men do? There isn't really any single reason, but a bunch of things that overall make the idea significantly less attractive. WotC and a large chunk of the community seems to be actively trying to bring more women in, though, so I expect the upward trend will continue.
>>46813824
The more fuckable she is, the more likely she realized early in life that she could have whatever she wanted just by asking. That tends to sap one's ambition.
Or coming at it from another direction, pursuing a high stress career doesn't do wonders for anyone's looks--see Bush and Obama after eight years in the white house.
>>46814335
>not knowing that sitting upon the golden throne draws on ones life force
How else would they keep the beacon lit that guides Merica into the future?
I'm hoping our LGS getting a bar will get some more girls to show up.
My entire first and only relationship was based on MTG. And a girl once went home with me after FNM (she never called back, I half-think she was trying to rob me).
Is this crazy? I meet the most new people from this hobby. Especially since I left school.
>>46780812
No need to apologize because anon uses inferior unit of measure.
>>46813846
fuck you I laughed
>>46813877
>>46813907
Merkel is really fucking hot, so the theory still works
>>46815837
How?!
>>46797551
The one local store I can visit, there is exactly one terrible smelly MTG player and he's probably the skinniest one there aside from the young teenagers. The worst it gets past that is when someone sits at the corner of a table and thinks bending down and away from the table means it's cool to vape indoors.
>>46794486
Nah, she was just friends with one of the players. She made cookies and would bring them to the tournament.
>>46788907
I know that feeling anon. We have lost the war. The infighting had been going on for a while anyway.
>>46811444
Because board games aren't as competitive. You don't spend large amounts of money on add-ons to board games and so on. It's a social event - Everyone has a good time.
In MtG, the ultimate goal is to win and crush the other guy underfoot. Especially in the competitive scene. And women hate that, because this is one of the few places men can't be swayed to their side.
If your deck is shit, the other guy is going to stomp you as brutally as possible. It doesn't matter if you're a girl or not. In that way, that's what true equality means.
>>46818581
He's probably a turk, she's their collective waifu
>>46821934
>The infighting had been going on for a while anyway
Maybe if they didn't give all the coolest shit to U there wouldn't be any infighting
>>46780765
Smug Europeans being intentionally obtuse about units that are clear from context is the #1 thing I hate about 4chan.
>>46804011
this
>>46780558
Why are there no replies to this when ten posts down the question is conclusively answered
