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>What the fuck is Space Station 13
A top down atmospherics simulator with a "whodunit" on top. Survive in the station and do your department's job, while fixing the problems that the antagonists cause.
>How the fuck do I play this game? I keep hitting myself with things.
Use OOC and ask someone for help on how to play. People will almost always help you get a grip of the game if you're polite about it, just don't reveal too much in-round information in OOC.
Other information can be found on the wiki. http://robustvinyl.com/ss13/wiki/
Check out the server pop graph to see when people are playing: http://www.ss13.se/servers/2284/
>>46770475
It's a good morning
>>46770483
>no plump helmet wine
It's like you don't want to get through the working day.
I'll be done with work in about an hour, anyone up for a game around that time?
doing some changes to mining to make it more industry centered
on the list to do is:
>constructable and modifiable smelters/stackers
>fixing the ship graveyard so its not powergamer territory and a terrible place to mine
>maybe adding some better ways to move around bulky supplies you'd normally have to drag one by one
>getting rid of the ore redemption machine and merging its functionality into the smelter
>possibly reverting ores back to the old "one ore is one sheet of material" mantra since purity isn't very noticeable and doesn't really matter in the long run
>possibly axing the smelter's bonus efficiency and changing it to faster smelting or possibly automated smelting
>changing mining satchels to be a size 3 item and not a size 1 item
already done a few things (actually adien did most of these):
>ore boxes hold 750 ore instead of infinity
>added resource rocks (mostly for terra) that are non-dense decals that show up and can be mined with any standard mining tool. Some are randomly generated and some are static.
>changing some internal workings of cargo so crates either give no points or less points in an effort to make them constructable so you can still ship things even if you only have metal
>reducing or disabling cargo's passive point regeneration, possibly giving cargo a higher starting budget depending on crew on station at round start
>>46772658
>getting rid of the ore redemption machine and merging its functionality into the smelter
Maybe the other way around would be better? Since the redemption machine is already a smelter and a stacker all you'd have to add is the alloys.
If you make it constructable after that you've got two things on your list done.
Besides, smelting a shit tonne of ores can take a long time with the smelter and the redemption machine does it instantly.
>>46773045
Except, you fool, the smelter is an upgradable machine that can have its efficiency improved. It has more work in it.
It also feels more industrial.
>>46773582
Freeman just said he's going to chance how efficiency works. Could do that to the redemption machine instead.
>>46772658
>reducing or disabling cargo's passive point regeneration
If you tweak the reward for sending back copies when centcoms requests them you have a replacement passive income that cargonians actually have to work for.
>actually adien did most of these
>adien
fuck me
I'm getting started on reworking the protolathe's interface, doing some sketches. Give me opinions and suggestions.
>>46773879
Just do what protolathes on other servers do.
>Matter bin: (Material amount): [x1] [x2] [x5]
>>46773977
>[x1] [x2] [x5]
Yea, but what if you want 8? You'll still need to CRTL+F three times.
I want to eliminate having to search for an item more than once during every use cycle.
>>46772658
Shipping things without a crate gives you the points for them, it just also gives you a -1 point penalty for them being poorly contained.
Constructable smelters means science no longer has any need of cargo whatsoever.
The debuffs to mining gear just make mining more of a hassle than it already was.
The smelter has both automated and instant smelting, there isn't any real room to improve unless you "make room" by nerfing it so that you can "buff" it.
Resource rocks are a good idea, we need more variety in mineables (although a similar thing was already in the code as a side effect of my secret project).
I feel like getting rid of passive cargo points is essentially going to make cargo useless, because it has a very finite supply, and won't be getting more unless a specific job is done it's already much more resource-restricted than science, and it mostly serves only to further encourage cargo autonomy and working against the station (keep the ore you mine because you need it for points, demand things from people in exchange for doing your job).
You're very individualistic, so I guess it's too be expected, but you do realize that cargo is a part of the station, and not some external entity doing business with them, right?
>>46775258
>because it has a very finite supply
But you can get infinite points from sending back copies of manifests if centcom requests them. Just keep that shuttle moving to trigger the RNG.
Also: you can get more of whatever you can sell with the matter replicator. Planks now also give 0.2 points each and growing wood is hardly finite.
>>46773977
>>46774032
>Matter bin: (Material amount): [x1] [x2] [x5] [Custom]
done, have that bit alongside the organization tabs
>>46777271
Why do that when you can just have a single value at the top that covers all the items in the machine?
>>46777271
The downside of this is that every option has to be checked for material availability, and the wildcard [custom] can't be checked at all.
You'd either get a message saying you can't afford to print 48 laser guns or the protolathe just stops making them after 3 while you ordered 27.
>>46777372
The downside to this solution is that you have to reset it after every item use, effectively forcing you to use an extra click after printing 20 matter bins.
>>46777980
One more click isn't that bad. Alternatively, it could reset to x1 each time, since most things will only be wanted one of?
Come onto the server and try my fiendish puzzle.
>>46782939
sadly your fiendish puzzle is not long for this world.
>>46773045
the smelter feels better and i'd like to keep smelting and stacking seperate. With changes to the stacker you can have one stacker specifically make stacks of 50 and another only make stacks of 10 and so on, so if sorters are ever put in you can automatically send things that come in lesser supply like plasma down a path that only has a 5 count stacker instead of sending it all into a 50 count stacker and have to eject it. A bad reason but the redemption machine was just shoehorned in to force mining to cooperate with R&D if they wanted any payoff for actually mining unless R&D wanted to give them anything.
>>46773879
cargo doesn't really need passive income if they have mining and other things to do to make cash. Selling wood is probably lucrative enough at this point that they can easily buy whatever they want with a decent tower cap farm going.
>>46775258
>shipping without crates
and if you ship 100 1D bills back without a crate you get 10 points for the bills and -100 points for each bill being outside a crate. Getting penalized because you can't make a metal box is retarded.
>constructable smelters
science has never needed cargo
you have been able to smelt minerals using a welding tool since forever. Not that I really care about the cargo/science forced cooperation thing since in the end it just hurts both parties with how many times this doctrine has been attempted to be implemented.
>debuffs to mining gear
the only reason mining is a hassle is because the ship graveyard is impossible to mine in normally. Mining is no sweat on the mini asteroid and you can actually use a ripley. It's only a hassle if you let it be.
>Smelter
we're talking fully automated like "make alloys out of glass and plasma if both are available, otherwise just smelter each mineral into standard sheets". the thing can probably use a nerf anyways if they're going to be constructable since it can encourage you to set up more smelters.
>>46775258
>passive point removal makes cargo useless
cargo has plenty of ways to make monster points and even if mining is finite, mining can easily get you into the thousands of points. Passive point gain doesn't do anything but reward you for doing nothing which is why most people pick cargo instead of assistant because after they're done tooling up and stealing stuff, they can order the big guns with the points that accumulated over the past 30 minutes.
>the "cargo won't help people because cargo will always want points" argument
the same shit can be said about R&D in that they'll refuse to give out upgrades without demanding things from people, but they usually don't and you and I both know that. Not that anyone else on the station actually needs ore for any purpose besides science (engineering can't even use it since the pacman disappeared with a map change a while ago too).
>cargo is part of the station
cargo's job of crate pushing is a boring mess because all they have done up until this point is move crates and buy things for other people until the shuttle is called. Once you open all the gift boxes and figure out which ones are good and which ones you never need to buy there is nothing for you in cargo besides mining which can quickly become stale.
And, since we have a unique lack of players, cargo now does literally nothing since there's nobody to request anything. Giving cargo an industry-type mindset gives them a goal they can get to on their own, and the rest of the station has ways they can contribute to cargo's goal (since everyone has cash and people can reasonably get things that cargo wants) as a whole.
>>46784300
I don't really see how any of that actually gives an industry mindset. It's mostly just making them work harder to get what they would have already had. It's not giving them anything fun or useful to work for, if somebody likes to mine and build stuff, they'll do that anyways, but people who like to play cargo to experiment with stuff aren't going to be able to without spending their time farming wood or mining. People already don't like mining and only do it out of obligation.
The Ship Graveyard was at least an attempt to make mining more fun, and it resulted in people completely ignoring mining, and the same thing happens with Dorf, which probably speaks to the fact that nobody really fucking wants to mine. Making mining more tedious, taking away significant parts of cargo's utility, and forcing people to have to do specific things to even do the main thing that cargo is meant to do, it feels ultimately like an idea caught up in itself. It's ambitious to make people want to "be more industrious", but none of that is any of the fun part of industrialization.
>>46784552
>work harder to get what they already had
they shouldn't have had free crates in the first place. It's giving them the entire cargo console to work for. If people want to experiment with cargo, they can experiment with ways to make money. You don't need to commit to mining for more than ten minutes to bring in a hundered points worth of stuff. The only reason people don't like mining is because it's a shit chore that people only do so science might consider giving them something at some point in the future, or for points since thank heavens we let other minerals be shipped to centcom for cargo points.
>ship graveyard
I feel like the focus here wasn't mining at all but exploring, and since you insisted on doing a very scattered asteroid field there was literally no reason or need to mine and it only hurt people who actually wanted to mine since they pretty much had to use a jetpack. And the only reason there was any incentive to explore anything at all was because you scattered usually overpowered loot all over the place, so the place became way more about the loot (that was always in the same place enabling everyone to grab it first thing) and not at all about actually mining or even exploring. Not even mentioning the whole "lock the entire level into a floating unescapable box" thing.
>making it more tedious
cutting ore boxes down from "fucking infinity storage for no reason that has to be map spawned" to "fourteen satchels worth of storage that you can build or destroy" seems more like something that should have been done in the first place. Cargo's utility is just fine since they still have plenty of easy ways to make cash, none of this is an intense investment of time, and it's not like cargo's time isn't spent doing anything but either getting something to blast crates open or sitting at their desk for 15 minutes at a time. Nernums also wants most valuables to have a "value" var for cargo shuttle purposes so it won't stay "super specific things"
>>46784799
Well, I disagree at how it'll be received, but you'll do it anyways, and it's not like there's anyone to receive it, so it ultimately doesn't matter what I think.
>>46784959
>>46784959I value your opinion.
happy tyrone day
>>46784959
>it's not like there's anyone to receive it
w-we'll get more players soon!
>>46791523
No we won't, we have a bunch of people who lurk on the threads and refuse to join the server, even when people are claiming they have 6+ people, which they almost always do. We have no players because our oldest players don't wanna play for whatever reason.
>>46793141
I've got papers, fucko.
Summer is coming.
So to set the multiplication on the protolathe I need to use a form. Usually you can use links to send data to the function that deals with it. In this case I need some user input and popups are disgusting.
I can't for some reason get the styling to display the submit input the way I want to (spent some time on it and asked a few people for help). Should I be spending more time trying to get this right? Or would it be considered a waste of time?Checked some other codebase and they don't style it at all, so I figure people don't care.
>>46795590
the size of the button looks fine but i'd probably change it to say "Enter" or something
its next to a number box so I wouldn't think anyone should have issues figuring it out
>>46791523
>>46793141
It's finals you cunts
I don't have the option of playing
>>46795590
might have to do with the status display div class that those kinds of menus use or something
life bump
bump
>>46800336
>Those categories
>That style
Ew
Ew ew ew ew
Make eyewear "wearable tech" and shove in with shit like BoHs, or put it in equipment, along with storage gear. Combine all those stock parts because you're forgetting about telecoms parts, change "power cells" to just "power", move the multiplier up below chemical volume, fix the buttons so they're not all bunched together.
>>46800755
its not that bad
miles better than what it was
>>46801154
Doesn't mean there not stil room for improvement.
>>46802578
no need to bash it so hard though
>>46800336
bamp
>>46800336
Do what Emiko said, but also take my overt and powerful approval.
>>46800755
>Ew
>Ew ew ew ew
This. Are you trying to enable shitter scrubs?
There was nothing wrong with it as it was. All you're doing is making it easy on the types of shitters that would select Captain or Cargo expecting to kill everyone immediately with no effort.
>>46772658
You should tone down how much ore someone can carry at once. Whether it's rebalancing the boxes to carry less or making satchels occupy a larger container size category is your call -- but someone should have to make more trips either way. It's more realistic in that regard, and will encourage building pipelines and such.
>>46810402
>simply improving the menu navigation
>somehow affecting shitter tactics
nigga you high or something? It's not exactly difficult to hit ctrl+f and type in "laser gun" and "hyper cell"
>>46810734
>printing cells from the protolathe
kek
>>46800755
There isn't any "wearable tech" other than the eye wear, that's why I decided to just do that. Same with "power", nothing fits in it except the cells.
>forgetting about telecoms parts
Nah, they're "Bluespace" and "Stock parts".
>>46810402
Did you really never have issues printing 9 pico manipulators, 13 super matter bins, 4 phasic scanning modules, etc.?
>>46810840
>not printing cells from a protolathe
where else am I gonna print them? The mecha fab takes longer even when fully upgraded.
>>46810857
at least you'll have high reliability
>>46810874
>muh reliability
I'll just throw a handful of cells into the protolathe and get 100% reliability cells, which the mecha fab can't produce.
>>46810887
>I'll just throw a handful of cells into the protolathe
I thought you said you didn't have time to wait for the mecha fab to print a cell?
>>46800336
>tag-based search
Nice.
>>46811445
never said I didn't have time, just that the protolathe is far more convenient in terms of speed. It's also not difficult to do a bit of prepwork before I actually need the cells.
>>46772658
This all seems unnecessary. It just kinda forces cargo techs to use the point abuse systems that a bunch already did. I can still just make a bajillion high potency mutant tomatoes and ship it off except now I can just make a crate for them if all of them are gone for some reason. Won't this just result in a Cargonian stealing the botanists job every other round?
I also didn't know the ship graveyard was an issue but I hate using Ripleys so maybe that has something to do with it..
>>46800755
How's this?Grey = filter off
Blue = filter on
>>46812867
Looks much better, but I still think you could combine a few things, like equipment, eye wear, and storage gear, and just parts into one general category, which'd save space.
>>46812867
I think blue unselected, gray selected might be better, since the CSS usually uses a gray box for "unavailable". A check box next to a title, or a second list of dismissable active tags would be ideal, I think
I don't think you need to separate the parts by tier.
Finally, I'm pretty sure you could get away with "scanners and sensors" for the eye wear one, and that'd let you include the health analyzer, forensic scanner, GPS units, and "wearable", which would include bags, glasses, and any potential future wearable (which there will be).
>>46812867
>there are 3 columns
>there are tier 1, 2, 3 parts
>the tier parts are unaligned (i.e. aren't in a single row, preferably the top one)
0/10, apply yourself.
>>46813778
they're gone now anyway
>>46813778
You want me to sort the categories alphabetical or not at all?
>>46810420
that's what i've been aiming to try and do but with a duffel bag and a ton of satchels they can carry just about the same as an ore crate, But i'm also trying to avoid making mining tedium core.
>>46812235
>points abuse system
>shipping things that centcom may need to them for points is abuse of the system
??
Keep in mind botany isn't a deticated job on the station so anyone can do it. And even if there were botanists then they could set up a deal with cargo where they provide cargo with wood and cargo provides them with seeds or equipment.there's a reason you never see anyone mine on the ship graveyard and that's because it's stupidly hard to navigate
>>46814330
Since cargo has fuck all to do really. why not make it Factorio Lite.
Have ground ore nodes that you need to conveyer out etc.
>>46814151
Alphabetical.
I still think the tier tag is pretty useful.
If it was my choice, I'd make the tier tags at the top, and the rest below in alphabetical order.
>>46814352
this is pretty much what i've been trying to do
factorio station 13 will let cargo or others set up infrastructure to make the big bucks
>>46814374
Yeah me too. But it does fill the UI with a bunch of extra buttons.
There''s not that many stock parts and you have the multiplier, so it's not that bad.
>>46814547
You can use reseach level filters too, I guess.
>>46814601
No
How would you imagine that implemented? A text field with an enter button next to it for every tech?
>>46814651
>what is booru tag search
I've always maintained that the mining level should have a large central asteroid, much like every other server's mining level, that feels something like space caves. Such as it is, too, with dwarf.
Then, outside the central asteroid are the scattered lumps, then the fence, then the graveyard - which should probably be more dangerous.
I know randomly assembled maps are finnicky bullshit, but I do think they're worth it in this case.
>>46814352
>>46814401
If this factorio-lite idea means that we also get ways of mining ore that isn't me running around with a bag and a pick, then I'm all aboard this ore-based cargo economy. Just don't make it so that if I want to do any cargo teching I have to spend most my time mining or botany-ing - if I can instead fuck with machines to get an automated mining setup going then fuck yes do it.
>>46816007
was looking at making mining drones maybe do some automated drilling of nearby rocks, but getting a ripley (which you can still buy from cargo) will help you speed up mining a lot more
Here's the real question:
What can be done to make Mining 'Borgs worth playing?
>>46816032
Make research require a fuckton of resources for everything then, so that they can't easily get a full stack of everything and make all the mechs and all the guns and all the shit.
>>46816055
possibly giving them some basic ability to set up mining infrastructure like conveyors or disposals
>>46816063
no im not fucking with research I don't care about the cargo/research forced cooperation thing
>>46816084
Do you care about the Research being an overpowered shitter magnet thing?
>>46816318
no because we all know it isn't and if it were that bad then we'd be banning people
>>46816084
I want to argue the cooperation thing, but I think both sides have made their cases already.Oh astv. Banning you from cargo remains a hilarious and terrible bit of this debate.
I would think that constructing things like that would fall under Engineering module, but then the Engi borgs already have half of everything.
Maybe some kinds of improved mining and exploration equipment? A mining scanner that is always on when active? Adv. mesons?
>>46816707
borgs in general are an issue because they're not meant to operate without humans nearby, that's the entire reason they exist
if you take humans out of the equation borgs are helpless and that's part of their design. if anything i'd make it so mining borgs work better in tandem with humans, probably giving them more supporting things for miners than being able to be miners
>really bright spotlights
>area of effect mining scanner that shows ores to all nearby players
>cargo space for ores
>basic drill to help mine and defend with
stuff like that
>>46816773
Do you know if directional lighting is going to be a thing with the new lighting system?
Setting up spotlights, but still being in the relative dark behind them, feels really useful.
>>46819498
the idea has been pitched around even before /tg/ split but in the end I think there was large opposition against it just because of how the game is set up, with a player in the center and you viewing everything around you
I don't think i'd mind it for flashlights and stuff though
>>46819537
>directional lighting is inherently bad because the viewpoint isn't directional
This feels like a really dumb arguement. I wouldn't say to make everything directional, but it's still a niche that would have good utility.
>>46819588
I think the last thing I saw about it was on /vg/ itself and players bitching and complaining about how they didn't want to have to micro manage what direction they were facing to get a look around them
but this would just mean we could make lanterns do a 270 degree or so lighting pattern while flashlights only do a cone
>>46819642
Completely unrelated question: does welding doors have a time delay yet?
>>46819660
no
welding doors is a fairly niche thing and I don't think it's ever really required a time limit since if someone's chasing you right behind you welding the door already requires you to manually close the door and then try to weld it
>>46819688
I've had more than one round where the last step to the drama was two people on both sides of a door counter-welding it furiously. As it can be instantly (un)done, there's little value to it, if anyone involved is carrying a welder.
If it had a time delay, it would make welding doors as preparation far more valuable - and put it even with essentially all other forms of construction and vandalism actions, which do not happen instantly.
>>46819871
but in the end I think you'd still have the same problem
one person on each end of the door trying to weld it open or closed except this time there's a short delay
>>46821151
>try to weld door shut
>can't weld door open while it's being welded
>oh wait, it's not welded shut, I'll just open it
>successfully weld door shut
>other person proceeds to weld it open
>can't weld it shut, it's already welded
>door becomes unwelded, the invader opens it
Welding an eight foot door closed instantly during an active pursuit is pretty silly anyway.
>>46815377
I could do:
>show me stock parts that aren't bluespace
Question is how to make it look good.
>>46822072
sketch
players when
>>46822202
Make the - and + buttons line up somehow, then its fine
>>46770475
I played my first round ever last night
It was very quite.
I missed the part where some guy blew up part of the station.
I played a cyborg.
I wanted to cause some mischif but I wasnt an antagonist so I just helped out around the place.
>>46822867
you wouldn't have created much mischief if you were new
for your next rounds, pick a random jobnot security or Head of Staffand ask people to teach you that particular job
>>46824350
I was deathly afried to ask anyone anything. I always am in new games. I just kinda wandered around, role playing a bit and pressing buttons and clicking things to try and figure them out.
here's some stuff for you guys to give me feedback on:
i've been playing too much starsector and i've been thinking of applying their ship modification system into mechs in ss13. It goes like this
>Each ship hull (which would turn into a mech chassis) has a maximum number of "operation points" and a certain number of hardpoints to mount things (split into ballistic, missile, and energy)
>Mounting a weapon onto a slot takes operation points based on how effective the weapon is, shit weapons like LMGs take less points where better weapons that can put up a fight take more
>the remaining operation points can be invested into the ship's subsystems which will affect how well it is able to vent heat (called flux but same principal), how expensive the ship is to maintain, or can buff weapons or engines
>mechs would have a few hardpoints (ripley would probably have both arms and some misc ones for the legs/torso, while something like a gygax would have arms, maybe head, and other mount points), allowing them to equip almost any gear (so no more chassis restricted shit), but low tier mechs like ripleys will have low OPs meaning that they can either mount mining gear and good subsystems or a drill and a weapon and have no support from subsystems
>>46826635
as long as science advancements won't be able to make these function utterly pointless, this is a great way and interesting way to balance mechs
>>46826809
needless science direct upgrades are quality of life improvements but I hate them not only because they are straight upgrades but because they make coding anything that does resource management a hassle
>>46826059
Always feel free to ask questions on how to do things. If you explain that you're new, the regulars will generally help you out.
A subtle but important thing to remember is the distinction between IC and OOC communication.
>>46826635
I like the idea, it has strong potential.
I'm leery of the time it would take to make work, and well.Will this system also include a patch to make turrets not retarded, senpai?
>>46829794fuck it better
bump
it's pretty lonely on the server. Why don't we play a round or two fellow spacemans?
>>46832851
is lee still b&?
>>46833004
I think he will be for a few more days, his ban should end pretty soon though.
>>46833047
I'll be there later in the evening, it's still workday in Slavland.
>>46831995
Sexy.
>>46830435
What did he mean by this?
>>46833263
are you home yet? let's start a game
We've got a few people on, why don't you join us?
>Traitor kills security guard
>Guard respawns as HOS right away and finds traitor right away and murders him
>Drags him into the armory
>I go and close the armory blast doors because respawn abuse
>He's obviously destressed by this
>People feel bad so someone makes an arrow pointing to the traitor's bag that contains a full toolbelt that he can use to deconstruct the walls
>"Goodbye cruel world."
>Takes out the welder and slowly beats himself to death with it
>He's surrounded by guns and chooses a welder to suicide with
>>46836517
>6 people on
>a bartender and some ghosts
>>46837008
>people feel bad for him
the only person who feels bad for him ironically is the traitor who got kilt by his obvious metagaming.
What are some things you can ONLY find out by hearing it from other people who know?
Except secrets that should be secret.
>>46838348
>secrets that should stay secret
Xenon Hexaflouride is no longer in the game, so nothing applies to that category that isn't outright admin abuse.
The proper procedure for how to make silane, and the recipes and the effects of the new mixed drinks, are fairly obscure.
Silane can be figured out easily enough from wikipedia, but there are ... two cocktails that are fairly unique now.
Sips Fedora is a combination of Wine, Mountain Dew, and Manly Dorf. When mixed with Holy Water, it results in Nothing. When mixed with a Chaplain, it causes problems.
Burning Man is a high octane blend of Martini and Welding Fuel. Lights anyone who drinks it on fire.
Honestly, I don't think there were any changes made that are player accessible that aren't on the changelog. Maybe the contents of certain packages, like Syndie Bundles and the Mystery Crate.
>>46838530
The chancelog and the wiki are people who know and are telling you.
>>46838620
Wiki barely gets updated, so it's not the best source of information. Changelog is only really the admins explaining how new things work, else no one would get how something new would work in a reasonable amount of time.
>>46838620
If that's how you're going to draw the line, then, uh.
The entire game is that way.
There is no tutorial, and the in-game menus don't go into any detail as to how anything actually functions.
Controls, hotkeys, and basic principles can be learned through experimentation easily enough (the "how 2 switch hands" phase), but the most of the game is full of so much detail that apprenticeship is the best way to learn.
>>46838675
So they could make a saw movie about 10 people in a room with laptops and no internet?
>>46838530
Cyanide.I wouldn't have told anyone if I knew how broken it was.
>>46839022
Someone probably would've figured it out eventually.
players when
>>46842072
people will play when we get more players. Tis a vicious unending cycle
no player bump
come get your factorio on
>>46844328
>>46844473
we are expanding borders
>>46846010
Shame you didn't upload the crazy amounts of cash you made.
>>46848213
it wasn't absolutely insane but it was a lot
would be a good way to make a lot of cash on dorf
doing some minor changes to conveyors and multitools to make the things easier to set up and keep track of
>examining a multitool will tell you what telecomms machine it has stored in its buffer as well as what its current conveyor ID is set to
>using the multitool in your hand will clear both the telecomm machine buffer and the conveyor ID string
>fixed an improper placement of a command when changing a conveyor's ID that would cause it to tell you something was already linked together on the ID you just set it to since it would set the ID and then determine wether or not the IDs were the same
>still working on splitters/sorters
>added a verb to belts that will let you change wether or not they operate inverted, which should fix some issues with corners traveling in the wrong direction
>>46851895
I thought verbs were the shitiest thing in existance
>Observed explosion strength 5-10-20
>Theoretical explosion strength 8-17-34
>tfw when you not just understand the underlying physical processes, but finally also know the steps and ratios steps required to make a great bomb.
Goddamn it, i've been told Sybil has explosion cap at 7, why did the admins lie to me?
Who is even in control of those server settings?
>>46854934
Not only is d20 not Sybil, but d20 also has no explosion cap.
>>46855261
Shit, I kinda automatically assumed the SS13 thread on /tg/ would be about tgstation13 server.
>>46855464
No sir, we made d20 because tgstation no longer has any meaningful connection to /tg/.
>>46854934
Feels good don't it? Reminds me of me, Viktor and Mezzo were working on bigger, and bigger bombs. It was fun detonating bombs that'd hit the the station from the testing range and the AI sat at the same time.
>>46854934
Also don't feel too bad about the admins lying and such, most servers are terrified of toxins and nerf it into useless oblivion. I remember Yog had an incident not too long ago were an antag detonated a 4-5dev bomb, which was considered a huge explosion. The antag in question got b& and his damage got repaired by the admins. Most of the reason is because most servers can't make toxins actually difficult, so the EZ PZ instant bomb mix of 33/66 nets you massive explosions, which is bad because TTVs can easily get 20+ dev if you know how to work them.
>>46857019
>Go on bay
>Check out toxins
>No doppler array (Acceptable, I guess)
>"Why's there no freezer?"
>"I've never had anyone who does toxins complain about that before"
>No one does toxins
>>46857123
Pretty much, the majority of servers make toxins essentially useless with painfully restrictive bomb caps and in the case of bay and yog, painfully restrictive rules. Who wants to spend 10-15 minutes prepping 4 TTVs that will only do at most 5 dev? when a pair of noslips and an e-sword is just as effective if you're even slightly robust.
>>46853798
if there were a better way to do three different actions to an object that you can't pick up I would do it
let's play a round?
We got 5 people friends, why don't you come on for another round or two?
>5 people ready
get in here
BAN HE
>>46800336
>multiplyer
finally
emergency bump
>>46864745
>>46866833
>>46870988
>>46875503
>>46877468
Just let it die, mate-o.
We'll make a new thread when we'll need one.
>>46877533
But that could take days
>>46770475
So I had a pretty awesome round about a day or two ago
I was an assistant, learning the ropes (very new to the game)
anyway, wizard shows up, demands we bow to him as our new god
He starts murdering people, things go south fast
I team up Shitcurity, get a laser gun from the armory
we find the Wizard in medical demanding... something. I think he wanted them to heal his evil fish thing or something.
I misclick and accidentally shoot him, he shoots me with a lightening bolt or something
I'm on the ground, barely alive
I pretty much said fuck it at that point and waited to die
then out of no where and engineer runs in and drags my sorry ass to safety and patches me up to the point where I might not die.
We waited in some room she had built while Shitcurity dealt with the wizard
when they finally killed it, my Engie savior got me a wheelchair and took me to medical. Which was covered in blood and over run with spiders. She killed a few with a spear some lizard guy made her.
She managed to find me a doctor and he operated on me because my skull was kind of in piece
I go into coma mode, miss a lot of action
from what I understand some other doctor cloned the wizard because HE HAD TO DO IT
But they killed the clone wizard before he could destroy the station more than he already had.
My engie savior got me onto the escape shuttle and put me into cyro.
Shes was the best.
>>46880798
That sounds great and all, but I sincerely doubt that happened on D20, this thread isn't SS13 General, it's dedicated to talking about D20 Station. I'm glad you had fun though, maybe you should join our server some time.
>>46882496
People can tell some stories. The "this isn't SS13 general" was mostly to prevent something specificvorestation
What if you put a nuke cell into a SMES?
>>46885799
widespread death and destruction by radiation
>>46886000
Only if someone's dumb enough not to care about cell reliability. Or the admin bus hits.
>>46886013
emp's can also cause damage to cells
>>46885799
they're really rough on cells, but nuke cells will still produce power when broken
just they'll produce flashes of radiation every time it
>regenerates
>is filled
>outputs
so when you have even just a single in a smes unit it can be very devastating
it's an entirely viable means of getting energy but still very dangerous even with radiation space suits
only the non spaceworthy rad suits are able to deal with the enough radiation that you won't pass out, and even then you can still be radiated if you stick near them too long.
>>46886272
>Fallout Station13
>Nuclear Smes in the hallways
>Maint is the vaults where people live
>Only radsuit fags can make the journey between maints
it'll be shit but fund it
>>46886389
May as well use uranium plating at that point.
Fixed the VNC service.
Not 100% sure what caused it to blow up but it is working now.
>>46886272
So just keep them away from people or shield them?
>>46895663
keeping them away from people is the easiest yes
theres currently no way to shield right now, but is something that should be considered as well.
you could however make it difficult to get to them by building layers of walls or something
>>46895700
how much range do these radiation flashes have?
>>46895766
I'm not sure I think its somewhere between 3 and 5 tiles, bit hard to gauge
>>46886478
Doesn't Father Relaxe do this every round already?
>>46886389
>Nuclear Smes in the hallways
You're laughing, but there was a round where one of the sciencefags (probably Emiko, iirc) built a SMES right on the cargo-bridge-sec/science turn, and forgot to bring nuke cells' reliability to 100.
Long story short, a bunch of people ded'd.
>>46897083
Was he at least farming the brains for borgs?
>>46897299
He was the first one to die.
>>46897083
i think the safest place to put them would probably be the north solars
>>46897312
But then you'd have to wire around the solars.
I'm thinking it would be best to just build a little structure just north of cargo. Make it 11 wide (including the walls) and then keep expanding north until you have room for the amount of SMES units you want. You can slap matter replicators on the asteroid where space cools them down.
>>46897441
nah with the solars they're fairly isolated and prewired most of the way, just need to have space to build the terminals so you'd still have to build a couple rows of tiles out.
if xenos unused you could autism those up with a tonne of smes units without much to worry about
library is a possible place as well, and then most of south engineering is low traffic enough to be relatively safe to do such things
most dangerous place is probably chapel maint though.
>>46886389
recently had an idea where you'd have each department to the station completely separated from one another via space and only connected by disposal lines requiring each department to ship what they can produce to the other departments in a mutual trade agreement
it was pretty vault-tec tier
>>46898333
Or sec could send soldiers to the different departments
>>46898707
or science send bombs
or engineering sends open canisters
>>46897510
Took me like 2 hours to clear xeno.
>>46898812
Or Cargo sends dead monsters and lazarus shots
Or Medical sends cyanide syringes and grenades
Or Greytide sends the entirety of England's teacups as bolas
And now I have to print 270 nuke cells.
>>46898707
>>46899638
>Secland sends troops to the other department
>One heads to Greytidia
>Sec officer just exits disposals into a hail of mug bolas, gets his shit stolen
>One chosen assistant uses the sec officer's suit to be able to also traverse disposals
>Travels from department to department, dispensing bolas to faces and stealing everything tied down
>Any repercussions face another hail of bolas from the homebound greytiders
>>46900839
greytide would rely on regular shipments of vendor resupplies fir coffee mugs from cargo so theyd have to steal money from everyone
>>46899976
this is a hilariously irresponsible amount of smes units
>>46901473
45 SMES units 600kw each (6 nuke cells)
bumo
>>46899976
WHAT KIND OF USE WOULD THIS SERVE
>>46882496
I was on Baystation
Nice place
>>46902144
that's 45 smes units that can each hold up to 10 nuclear cells which each produce I think 100 units of power every five ticks, and 100 units of power is 20,000 watts instantaneously, so that's very roughly 20,000 * 45 = 180,000,000 watts / 5 ticks needed to recharge is 36MW
>>46905925
nuke cells make power
power makes diamonds
diamond makes cargo points
Works pretty well.
Patched server, updated changelog.
