Bretonnia Rides Again Edition!
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>>46731733
So, Endhammer big-ups Bretonnia, which I like, because Bretonnia is best faction with Literal Best Girl, the Lady of the Lake.
But the civil war and the Norscan invasions should have fucked it. And "Errantry Wars to Tilea" don't really work when all of the Knights Errant died at the battle of Altdorf. Any suggested changes from the good people of /tg/?
Another Bret model for your trouble:
>>46731768
My suggestion would be to ignore the End Times.
DID SOMEBODY SAY TRUE HUMAN MASTER RACE?
Threadly reminder.
>>46732065
>This is what Games Workshop actually believes.
>>46732065
Hey josh
>>46732240
>implying it isn't true
Deal with it, WHFb is dead.
>>46732332
And AoS is fucking terrible.
Hooray.
>>46732414
>And AoS is fucking terrible.
It's real game with community.
>>46732438
It's a bad attempt at cloning 40k in a medieval fantasy setting.
>>46732438
Dude. Just go back to the AoS Thread with your own kind. You can talk to them about your Cyber Skydragons and Undead DeadlyDeath Legions.
>>46731863
But Endhammer uses the "End Times" to an extent. Moving the story forward would be fun, though I'd prefer Storm of Chaos as a better written alternative. Even if Grimgor Ex Machina.
It didn't take long for Bretonnia to fall. Our enemy was ruthless. Efficient. But they weren't nearly fast enough.
For you had already passed the torch. And because of you, we have King of War, Frostgrave, WHFB legacy players, and we shattered our enemy's resolve. Our victory - your victory - was so close… I wish you could have lived to see it.
But you belong to us, now. Your molds, your sprues - all burned and turned to plastic dust. Everything… except your courage. That, you gave to us. And with it, we can rebuild.
>>46732438
>It's real game
>with community
>>46732489
>medieval fantasy setting
>>46731733
Man O War is pretty fun when you're fighting other ships. Right now, fighting giant sharks is tiring and predictable. Pic related is about how it is landmass wise this early, you can pass right through old wrecked ships like this and certain rocks, but others are unpassable by large margins.
Still, it is very young and ship to ship combat is fun. Also, for the love of God, I cannot figure out how to whip out a sword and wreck some orcs trying to board my ship. Anybody know?
>>46732528
Then use Storm of Chaos as it actually went on the table with Chaos getting shit stomped before even reaching Kislev.
>mwf they say AoS don't sell.
>Holy Space Jesus-Marines riding dragon was the answer all along.
They should have introduce them in 8th.
>>46732659
Chaos didn't get somped in Kislev. Valten and Archaon had their fight in Middenheim, like in End Times.
And Storm of Chaos doesn't provide new/returning villains in the form of Nagash and his cronies.
Instead of arguing with the troll you should contemplate on why you don't start these threads with a "Thank you!" to the race who keeps your world safe.
>>46732539
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that. I'll keep playing Brets in Warhammer Fantasy until AoS dies and GW realizes their error when they get bought out.
>>46732728
'Cause lol elfs suk
>>46732641
>Man O War is pretty fun
Shill, please.
>>46732709
Jooooooosh. (or Golar?)
>>46732528
>Moving the story forward would be fun
I feel like this is kinda missing the point of warhammer honestly. The setting at large is just supposed to be a back drop. The actually story is the little engagements between your fairly small forces, it's about the quest of Lothar Bubonicus to become a Daemon prince or Captain Oberhan to lead his men into the woods to slaughter the beastmen who threaten to burn down the village of Essdenburg or the High elf expedition stealthy sneaking across the sea in a single ship seeking to rescue their general's captured cousin from their dark kin in Naggaroth.
>>46732761
Seems like a pretty balanced post to me.
And he's right the ship to ship combat is nice but everything else still feels very very incomplete.
>>46732528
>Dude. Just go back to the AoS Thread with your own kind.
Nah this thread is funnier
>>46732801
>Seems like a pretty balanced post to me.
Of course because you are another shill. All shills use word "fun" when cannot exlain why game such garbage.
>>46732782
>I feel like this is kinda missing the point of warhammer honestly. The setting at large is just supposed to be a back drop.
Exactly. But these kids have to be spoonfed with 'stories', as they can't make their own up. Why do you think stormcasts came to be, a model line that you could make look nice with zero imagination or skill.
GW doesn't want hobbyist anymore, not for a long time, they want consumers. Anything people are making for themselves is something that they can't profit from, so it is bad.
is it so hard to ingore him? seriously?
>>46732805
Well this is true with or without you, the AOS thread is a shithole that is either trolled to death, full of insecure AOS players who think everyone else is out there to get them, or have carnac shouting anime every third post.
>>46732869
>the AOS thread is a shithole
Excet the fact that we really discuss the game, not collective fanfictions.
>>46732332
The real image is WHFB being stomped on the ground, narrowly clinging to life despite grevious injuries, GW doing the stomping while holding an aborted or stillborn fetus that is AoS, all while 40k watches in dismay, 9th age and endhammer try to cheer WHFB back into the fight, and Mantic wrings its hands while grinning with gleeful greed.
>>46732869
>full of insecure AOS players who think everyone else is out there to get them
Insecure is an understatement this point. There is a guy who wants to "blacken his boxes with flame" to prove that he bought them lol.
>>46732948
while Pathfinder secretly whispers tips and advice into 9th Age's ear
>>46732948
>9th age
Only 16 people actually plays it.
>endhammer
Fanfic, nothing more.
>Mantic
Too small with ugly models and rules.
>>46732931
>Excet
Hello slav.
Nobody 'discusses' the game there, because there really isn't anything to discuss, a few are drooling over the 'story'. The only discussion of the game was when someone presented how fucking broken AoS tournaments are with the 5+ $100 monsters per force armies.
>>46732761
>shill
You're right bro. I took a picture of the game glitching and shit talked it just now because I'm shill. I'm definitely not trying to make the thread not shit. Ya got me.
>>46732641
Another point about Man O War, I have a pretty decent rig and right now MoW adds about 40 F to my comp just by running. Evidence of a pretty inefficient coding job, but I really don't know what engine it uses or if they built it from scratch.
>>46732931
Nice meme
>>46732988
Me and my friends play 9th age, that's enough for me
Also the website got a quarter million hits last month alone
Kings of war is a great rule set, models are shite though, not that it matters because I can buy them from a hundred other people
>>46732298
>peoplecan'tpossiblylikewhatdon'tlike.png
>>46733033
>Nice meme
Looks more alive than this general.
>Me and my friends play 9th age, that's enough for me
And it's still unoular shit while AoS os growing.
>Also the website got a quarter million hits last month alone
Active layers is only matter.
>Kings of war is a great rule set,
Nope
>>46733144
Just ignore the troll with no friends, shilling because GW is paying him to sell the unsellable.
(Fun fact, Warhammer Fantasy got Vermintide, Total War, Mordheim, and Man O War in video game form. Really. It's a dead game. Unpopular. Nobody likes it).
>>46732782
Man, what are campaigns if not that? I've liked Forgeworlds contributions because they provide new campaigns, new mini-settings that provide STORY to what's going on.
Hell, Tamurkhan, Throne of Chaos was great. As was Badab Wars. Personally, I'd like to see a Magnus the Pious and Great War Against Chaos setting.
Rules for Asavar Kul, Magnus, Engra, High King Alriksson, Tzar of Kislev, etc.
>>46733232
Campaigns don't have to be big!
I'd rather play small campaigns where all the models actually represent all the people in the fight rather than a weird abstraction of a ten thousand man battle with 200 guys.
I want to play some dwarves attempt to retake a corner of 8 peaks or some orcs trying to raze a border prince city not THE CHAOS INVASION TO END EVERYTHING FOREVER
>>46733232
>Waaaah don't invade our safe space
So, /whfb/ what are you currently working on?
>>46733338
Sculpting the 5th member of my chaos warband
Sculpting is a lot of fun even if it's a touch frustrating
>>46733338
>>46733338
Marco Colombo and Ruglud's Armored Orcs.
>>46733314
I dunno. I liked Bruckner vs. Tamurkhan. I liked the story and their battles. You telling me you wouldn't want to see Magnus in the same vein as the Horus Heresy?
By the way, who's cooler - Magnus the Pious or Karl Franz?
>>46733232
>>46733232
>Fun fact, Warhammer Fantasy got Vermintide, Total War, Mordheim, and Man O War in video game form.
And all games looks like garbage.
Also
>muh shill meme
>>46733399
>>46733322
>>46733144
>>46732988
>>46733399
Why is the right leg so fucked up looking? God damn these new models suck.
>>46733338
Just ordered a Green Knight.
Fyi, this is the retard who is going on with the 16 players thing:
>>46728573
The army list of those 16 players from the last ETC:
>>46732641
16 players played ~300 armies under the same number of different names. He also said that the US AoS scene is thriving when adepticon had 21 AoS players this year and 102 WHFB players in 2015.
Just ignore him.
>>46733127
>obscene number of unopened boxes he refuses to open or show actually belong to him
>many copies of monopose dragon you'll never need more than one of even if you like it
>visits gw down down south to pick up more dragons, conversation shifts to specific account of the management history of the store
Seems pretty shilly to me.
>>46733504
Rofl fucked up the link to the etc lists sorry, here they are:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CEtdwddLLrlF29C5HV8_ICWqSu8--mlt2CY_TA0t-TE/pub#h.eqwz7y3xavqz
>>46733488
Magnus, obviously. He didn't need to be infused with a god to kill an Everchosen in single combat. Hell, he didn't even have Ghal Maraz at the time.
Zealous Nuln nobleman who passed through the Fire of Ulric, founded the Colleges of Magic, and put together two armies of Ulricans and Sigmarites. Convinces elves and dwarves to fight together for him.
>>46733399
jeez, in the age of cheap and kickas Reaper dragons, which come in variety of flavours and sizes, for every taste, GW decides to make this...
>>46733532
>mfw you need 300 countries to gather that low amount of player.
WHFB is truly dead then.
>>46733488
Problem is, Magnus is ugly as fuck and Karl Franz is much more badass-looking. But Magnus does look regal.
>>46733596
And what would YOU make ?
>>46733642
Gryphons.
>>46733620
well, Magnus at least looks like real german ruler.
>>46733604
Obviously troll, but ETC limits the number of players to 8 per country for logistics reasons. Community-made tournaments simply don't have the resources to host 1k+ players events.
>>46733682
There's also this one where he's an old, jowely, ugly piece of shit.
>>46733722
oh, so even more like german ruler. totally fitting, I approve
>>46733667
IOB gryphon is fucking goat
the rest are all pretty bad unfortunately.
>>46733667
>Settings with a thousand of worlds and infinity possibilities.
>make gryphons
>>46733488
>>46733538
do I remember it right, that all that time since before Magnus and during KF, High Elves still got same one king? Not sure about Dwarfs.
>>46733793
>Settings with a thousand of worlds and infinity possibilities.
>GW make Space Marines If Fantasy
irony's lost on you, meguess
>>46733751
I always wish he had a model, because he's fucking bamf. He doesn't even have any special fucking powers. He's not an elf or a dwarf. He's just man who had faith.
Asavar Kul: I have failed my gods! Strike me down and be done with it, southern filth.
Magnus: No, Kul. It is your gods who failed you. My god is always with me.
*Decapitation.*
>>46733793
>Settings with a thousand of worlds and infinity possibilities.
>make down syndrome dragon
>>46733698
Nice try, but 9th age is still dead.
>>46733864
fuck, I don't even play Empire and I want to convert a model for him
hm, maybe as a statue?
>"Magnus the Pious Triumphs Over Asavar Kul"
would make a kickass piece of terrain / monochrome diorama
>>46733847
The Dwarfs had High King Alriksson. He answered Magnus's call and marched to Kislev to defend it from Asavar Kul. Joined up with Magnus's two armies at Kislev City.
Magnus had the Ar-Ulric lead an all-cavalry army to ride ahead of him in hopes of relieving Praag, but Engra Deathsword destroyed the city, first.
The elves did indeed have the same king. Hell, Teclis was involved. Teclis went to Magnus to help him, and Magnus had Teclis teach the first Empire wizards and found the Colleges of Magic.
Know what's funny about AoS guys? They feel the need to prove something is dead or popular, because they just cannot enjoy what they like. They need the newest fashonable thing. How pathetic.
Even if they were right and WHFB was dead (it isn't), why on Earth would I care? Me and friends can still play it.
>>46733977
This post is rich coming from a fantasyfag. Very ironic.
(asked in previous thread, got little response, reasking here)
Describing, 'cos ain't got a camera worth a shit.
>Chaos Warshrine guy
>left hand is open hand, not the sword
>swap the head for helmet-less Stormvermin head
that's my Skaven Warlord
he was cool for a while, but as my army is going more and more Skryre, he needs some massive skryrefication, seeing as he's head warlord and stuff.
How would you Skryrerify him?
>>46733925
Magnus is possibly one of the best characters in Warhammer and he got so little love. He wasn't even a fucking Elector Count.
Magnus von Bildhofen was just a minor nobleman from Nuln during the Age of the Three Emperors. The Empire heard of the Everchosen's declaration of war, but as there was no Emperor, they could not unite on a way to respond. Magnus, a man of great faith and foresight, realized that politics were killing the Empire (and would kill the world).
So, he traveled from city to city, town to town, like an earlier Luthor Huss. As he went, he gathered knights, flagellants, pilgrims, all of them willing to put their lives on the line to fight against chaos and march to Kislev.
When he arrived in Middenheim (one of the major holdouts -- they'd earlier elected their own Ulrican Wolf Emperors), he was chalenged by the Ar-Ulric as a fraud, a liar, and a charlatan. In response, Magnus walked through the Sacred Fire of Ulric -- only a man true of heart and word can walk through the fire. The Ar-Ulric swore himself to Magnus, and Magnus made the Ar-Ulric his second-in-command and leader of his cavalry.
At the same time, Teclis sensed his potential and went to him. The humans could not triumph through strength of arms alone. They would need magic and only the elves could teach them. Similar, High King Alriksson of Karaz-a-Karak promised to march to Kislev's aid and took his throng north.
Four armies met Chaos at Kislev City, the remains of the Gospodar royal army, the Imperial Cavalry under Ar-Ulric, the slower army of pilgrims, volunteer troops, and warrior priests under Magnus (and his new mages), and the Throng of Karaz-a-Karak. Together, they broke the might of Chaos and drove it back to Norsca and the Kurgan Wilds. In single combat, Magnus the Pious (his hair shaved into a top knot to reveal his scalp to Sigmar) threw down the Everchosen of Chaos and ruined his armies.
>>46734183
That's badass.
>>46734183
Dialogue, Avengers-style, between elf and dwarf emissaries by the wall of Kislev.
>"We got a throng."
>"We have a mage."
>>46734183
so wait, he was a devour Sigmarite who at the same time was total bros with Ar-Ulric and Ulricans in general? that's metal.
>>46734313
oh, and approved by Ulric himself, since Flame is manifestation of his power.
man its so easy to troll fantasy anons, i don't play fantasy havent for 10 years, (college) but even to me it sad seeing it get DOTAfied into ago of sigmar. that said Warhammer fantasy was and is an ip that deserves a more loving hold than GamesWorkshop.
Staystrong fantasybros
working on some 9th age chaos dwarfs, using russian alternative for zuggart guard, recasting forgeworld chaos dwarf warriors, and maniac golems for fireborn. probably going to use maniac for artillery but nothing else, I have been looking on ebay for old bull centaurs, if I can get my hands on some I can cast some more.
>>46734313
>>46734345
Magnus was essentially divinely anointed. By walking through the Sacred Flame of Ulric without burning, he showed himself to be an utterly honorable man and approved of by Ulric himself. In addition, he appears to have been a warrior priest (given the way he dressed), but he used a sword, so who knows.
Magnus was the first Emperor in hundreds of years to unite the Ulricans within the Empire. Prior to that, you had Emperors declaring themselves in Altdorf, Marienburg, etc. and the Ulricans always having their own Wolf Emperors and refusing to bow.
Magnus was the first dude to make them listen.
When he came back from the Great War Against Chaos, he was unanimously elected emperor and began ruling from Nuln. He gave the county of Reikland to the Holswig-Schliestein family (Karl-Franz's dynasty; ergo Magnus is responsible for Karl's pre-eminence).
He set up the Colleges of Magic, ruled the Empire, and was basically an awesome dude.
>>46733399
'tis a decent paint job, anon. +1 point for your work, if it is your work.
Too bad it can't save the model from being full retard. That armor looks like something you'd dress a creature up with in Spore, as applied by an amateur so it kinda sorta sits right on the body but not really
Minus 150 points for buying the blasted thing though.
>>46734270
>>46734291
>>46734313
>>46734345
>>46734183
>>46734516
Honestly, I like Endhammer... but fuck Endhammer right now.
Can we do a /tg/-created, Forgeworld-style, Magnus the Pious-period, "Great War Against Chaos" campaign book?
>>46734516
so wait, Altdorf is capital of the Empire solely because it's domain of the current Emperor? i.e. should a Middenheimer be elected Emperor, Middenheim would become capital, etc.?
>>46734569
we can do anything.
let's do this.
>>46734501
Is that some russian alt? I've been wanting to get some of their stuff. How is it?
>>46733977
desu I see fantasy players defending fantasies popularity all the time.
Both people do it.
>>46734571
Yes. Altdorf is formally the capital of Reikland. And its the largest, most glorious city. Thus, there's a large amount of deference towards the Count of Reikland.
However, if someone else is elected, say Stirland, the Imperial Court would be in Wurtbad.
>>46734587
Well, first things first. Stats for the Dramatis Personae:
>Order
-Magnus the Pious (both as Minor Noble and Uniter of the Empire)
-Ar-Ulric Kriestov
-Tzar Alexis Vassilivich of Kislev
-High King Alriksson of the Dorfs
-Young Teclis (and his comrades, Finreir and Yrtle)
-Volans, the First Supreme Patriach (Lore of Light)
>Chaos
-Asavar Kul, Everchosen of Chaos
-Engra Deathsword, the Butcher of Praag
-Sven Bloodyhand
(Interesting note, the Great War of Chaos also saw Malekith almost successfully conquering Ulthuan after the Black Arcs sailed out alongside a fleet of Norscans devoted Nurgle -- Great Plague Fleet of Nurgle. N'kari, the Keeper of Secrets, was also summoned to hunt Alarielle.)
>>46734902
Not good at crunch at all. We need that guy who made the Engra Deathsword stats for Endhammer a few threads ago.
>>46734569
>>46734902
>Magnus the Pious, Saviour of the Empire
>WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I4 A3 Ld10
>Heavy Armor, Shield
>Hold The Line!, Hatred (Chaos), Immune to Psychology, Stubborn.
>Chosen of the Gods
>Magnus the Pious has 4+ Ward Save, boosted to 3+ when fighting in a challenge against model from armies of Chaos.
>Uniter of the Empire
>Magnus the Pious has 24" Inspiring Presence and Hold Your Ground aura. He must be both your General and Battle Standard Bearer.
>Zealous Devotion
>Magnus the Pious can join units of Flagellants. He gains Unbreakable if he does.
>Magnus the Pious can either fight on foot, or purchase a barded warhorse and a lance.
No idea what weapon should he have, or whether Empire had plate armour at the time.
In Minor Noble form, he retains Zealous Devotion and has 6+ Ward Save, boosted to 5+ in challenge, W2, and 18" Inspiring Presence.
I guess this needs updated Lore of Ice Magic, which can be used both by Kislevite witches and Ar-Ulric (who can purchase a few spells as bound spells).
>>46734902
>>46735062
also, Ar-Ulric should have T5 to differentiate him from the rest of Imperial characters.
>>46734902
When we get this rolling, suggested models/conversions for them all would be nice.
I remember there was Engra conversion a few threads back.
>>46735062
iirc his weapon is never detailed so you can pretty much go nuts
>>46735117
It's more like a sculpt then a conversion honestly
>>46734902
also some troops:
>Pilgrims (basically Free Company with some bells & whistles. Hatred (Chaos) maybe?)
>Teutogen Guard
>some ulrican unit
>updated Kislev list
>Wizard Disciples (wizard conclave, but on foot)
>Stone-Fleshed Chaos Spawn, for Praag scenario
>>46732438
>has no rules
>game
wew lad
>>46735128
He is shown with a sword in the two art pieces of him. All of the statues (after he's emperor) have him with Ghal Maraz. In the Battle of Kislev, he'd still have a sword. He's also described as cutting off Asavar Kul's head.
>>46735128
then it's shall be so
>Great Weapon (on foot), Lance (mounted).
>Wrath of Sigmar and Ulric
>Magnus the Pious has Magic and Divine attacks, no matter what weapon he uses. In addition, when fighting in a challenge, he may re-roll failed rolls to wound.
>>46734516
>Karl Franz von Holswig-Schliestein
I live in the state of Schleswig-Holstein and am both impressed by GWs names and proud to be a direct vassal of the emperor...
>>46735062
The art appears to be Plate Armor for Magnus.
Remind me what "Hold the Line!" does?
Chose of the Gods is awesome and fitting.
Lads im going to use the WHFB ruleset to play at 15mm.
In your opinion(s) which one is the comfiest version and why? Ive been told 6th and 7th but Id appreciate your thoughts
>>46734902
>Ar-Ulric
>WS6 BS3 S4 T5 W3 I4 A3 Ld9
>Heavy Armour
>Hatred, Immune to Psycholgy, Stubborn
>Axe of Endless Winter
>+2S, Ignores Armour Saves, Uses Two Hands. Models that have suffered one or more wounds from AoEW gain Always Strikes Last until the end of the game.
>Chosen of Ulric
>The Ar-Ulric has 5+ Ward Save and Divine Attacks.
Plus some bound spells shennanigans and two wolves that always join his unit. I'll leave that for you to stat, I'm off.
>>46735329
>Hold the Line!
Ld checks on 3 dice, like Lizardmen. Default ability of Empire General.
I'm dropping warhammer fantasy. anyone want my skaven $60.00 on ebay.
>>46735468
link m8
>>46735468
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-AOS-Skaven-Army-/121958665908?
Forgot link. ha.
what time do you suppose the new round of last chance minis will go up for sale
midnight bong time?
bretonnia sucks balls to live in in fluff
>>46735227
>>46735593
>giving them the sheckles
>>46735620
what?
>>46735141
Copied from Endhammer Talk
>M4 WS9 BS3 S5 T5 W3 I8 A5 LD9
>troop type: infantry (special character)
>equipment: black armour, the butcher's blades
>special rules: hatred, immune to psychology, fear, eye of the gods, wind of destruction
>black armour: the black armour grants a 1+ armour save
>the butcher's blades: the butcher's blades are a pair of weapons that grant +1 in strenght and the killing blow special rule
>wind of destruction: whenever engra has to roll on the eye of the gods table, instead roll a scatter dice (if a HIT is rolled you choose the direction), all enemy units under the line drawn between engra and the direction rolled are hit by the wind of destruction, d3 models per rank under the line must pass a toughness test or be removed as casualties, if a piece of terrain is hit by the wind all enemy models inside or in contact with the terrain must take the test instead and have to reroll succesful rolls of 1 for it; for each friendly unit hit by the wind or in contact, or inside, a terrain hit by the wind, roll a dice, on a 1 the unit suffers the effects of the wind as if being an enemy unit
how many points should he cost? considering that a chaos lord costs 210pts, but engra's profile has more +1 in WS and I in comparison, a magic armor that confers a 2+ is on the rulebook and costs 45pts, but engra would already have his chaos armour (4+), engra has fear, hatred and immune to psychology because he was a leader of some swords of chaosbnefore , the upgrade for a chaos knight to become a sword of chaos is 5pts; ensorcelled weapons for chaos knights cost 3pts, on the other hand there're magic weapons conferring the different bonus of the butcher's blades for circa 20pts per bonus. finally there's the wind that is difficult to do an estimation for the cost, but it replaces completely the bonus from the eye of the gods and is not very reliable. How about around 450pts? above valkia and sigvald, still below stuff like kholek and archaon
>>46734501
casting yourself? are the results good?
>>46735724
you heard me. did I stu stu stu stutter. bretonia sucks balls
>>46736175
>in in fluff
You did in fact stutter.
>>46736175
Peasant detected.
>>46736175
>bretonia sucks balls
>he's not a knight
I ended up with a free 30 dollar bloody champ of bloodthirstiness besides throwing it in the garbage can I was thinking of making up some Mordheim rules for him! Anyone want to help out with that? So far I'm thinking of having him randomly spawn, be beefy, and if you defeat him in glorious singular combat he joins your warband but as an upkeep he kills one of your dudes and lowers your leadership by a cumulative -1 until you kick him out. Also possible temp group buffs like +1atk or +1str in the next game...rolling on a table of course.
>>46735128
I assume he'd have a Runefang when he was an Elector Count as KF does. Obviously GM when he's Emperor.
>>46736683
Interesting. A neat short-term advantage that turns into a real liability in the long run and necessitates you kicking him out with his insatiable thirst for blood.
>>46736785
That's what i was going for making him a beast but an increasing liability as well. The only problem is that i obviously don't want to make him too ridiculous also maybe add something were depending on the rank of guy you sacrifice nets you additional rolls on the charts (henchmen 1, heroes 2). Since he's huge too i was thinking about using the Ogre template as a base but lower the speed to make it more in line with a chaos warrior and give him Large Target
>>46736245
>>46736256
>>46736588
actually there was supposed to be a comma between the 2 'in's. but I was lost in my frothing rage for bretonnia to rememeber. who da fuck wants to be a kight. i'd rather be a yeoman. u know like a badass peasent who earned his keep instead of a bitchass knight noble
>>46733017
From what I've heard, optimisation only happens at the very end of development, so I'm not surprised it runs like ass right now
>>46732298
>>46732709
>>46733531
As a fan of both fantasy and age of sigmar who enjoys playing both with friends in GW and out of GW even I can admit the part where he refused to open the boxes is kinda shilly.
Like GW hiring people to browse 4chan is fucking stupid but a neckbeard who ended up managing a games workshop shit posting on 4chan is totally believable,
>>46735543
>>46735468
I took a look and I want to bid but I never buy from people with such little feed back.
>>46735419
All editions require fine tuning, 6th is comfy mode because its rules do a lot more to reflect tiny plastic men fighting on a table top.
>>46735753
He seems over worked, like the old combat monster grimgor or everyones first champ..
By the numbers he hits as hard as a lord on manticore +2 wizard levels so should be priced appropriately.
>550
>>46737058
Could work. You obviously want a beast for the team that's a great boom, but you don't want it unbalancing the whole game and you don't want him to stick around either by becoming a liability.
I'm unfortunately unfamiliar with Mordheim, but you could take steps to ensure that his impact on the table is mitigated unless properly supported.
Still, love the idea. I love cinematic touches and random encounters and opportunities for further play and narrative development which can crop up during play.
>>46735141
that should have been the chaos lord model instead of what we got a year or 2 ago
>>46735227
>muh 500pages of rules
Here is another reason why WHFB is dead as actual game.
>>46738832
That english
>>46738292
Alright no reason to have wet feet about this here's what I've come up with
M-4 WS-4 BS-2 S-4 T-4 W-3 I-4 A-2 LD-7
Large Target, Fear, Skills (Combat- Combat Master Strength- Strongman, Mighty Blow)
Hire Fee- Bested in Glorious Singular Combat
Upkeep Fee- Before Each Game choose a member in your Warband to be sacrificed.
Weapons: Sword and Morning Star
Special Rules- Blood God's Boon: At the start of each battle roll on the following chart for your boon. 1- Khorne Turns a blind eye to your meager offering 2- +1WS 3- +1A 4- +1 Str 5- Upon Slaying an enemy on a 5+ heal 1W 6- Members in your Warband gain Frenzy
Next on the chopping block: As long as_______ is in your Warband all members gain a cummilative -1LD until _______ is slain or removed from the Warband
I'm flubbing strongman so that it removes the penalty from the morning star even though it's not a 2 handed weapon in case that actually doesn't work.
>>46731768
I still think the End Times lore that made the Lady of the Lake in to nothing more than an Elven goddess that was using the Bretonnians is pretty lame.
This might be shit tier, but what if Lileath did indeed start out intending to use Bretonnia, but her plan backfired and the Brets faith was so strong that she was warped into what the Brets thought the Lady of the Lake was and the old Lileath was lost.
>>46739414
>This might be shit tier, but what if Lileath did indeed start out intending to use Bretonnia, but her plan backfired and the Brets faith was so strong that she was warped into what the Brets thought the Lady of the Lake was and the old Lileath was lost.
>WHFBplayers really discuss fnagirls fanfics
who /return of reckoning/ here?
>tfw you slice up your thumb real good trying to trim two finecast bolt throwers.
Great resin consistency control you've got there Gw.
So does anyone still watch warhammer fantasy battle reports?
I was thinking of starting a whfb/ age of sigmar youtube channel and recording my games. My friends and I are all fucking hilarious so at the very least the banter would be strong, even if watching us move models is like pulling teeth.
>>46739414
It was always heavily implied that the lady was really an elven goddess and the wood elves have always been manipulating the brets.
I would have liked it if it had all turned out to be bullshit in the end though, as if an entire nation of die hard knights had created a chivalry goddess.
That would probably have been left for a bighthammer ending though.
>>46739787
If I could ever get my login information to work properly again.
To keep this super on topic, quick question for any Wood Elf bros; converting TreeKin/Dryads from leftover Dryad bits/ planty bits, yes or no?
I'm the earlier anon who got the 50$ deal, and I'm trying to make the use out of the old metal treeman I've gotten
>>46739852
I'll never get aboard the Resin bandwagon. I have a few Forgeworld pieces, but I seriously don't see the advantages over metal for anything smaller than a dragon.
>>46738832
>muh 500pages of rules
The fuck are you on about 500 pages? The 7th Ed rule book is like 278 pages and less than half of that is rules. And of those rules about a quarter of it is explaining basic tabletop shit for people who've never played any sort of tabletop game before.
Just because you're too fucking ADHD to spend 20 minutes reading the rules doesn't make it dead. The fantasy community is a live and well where I am.
>>46738832
Nigger, back when I started with the battle for skull pass, a small pocket book with less than 100 pages had all the rules bar some army specific
>>46740316
Man I'm old. Skull Pass was the last Warhams I bought until this year. It feels new to me.
>>46739787
Is it still nothing but PvP mosh pits in Nordland?
Because that is one of my least favorite things about the game.
>>46733460
>You telling me you wouldn't want to see Magnus in the same vein as the Horus Heresy?
>HH is literally the worst piece of writing to come out of GW.
No.
Fuck you.
Kill yourself.
>>46737869
I think he was kitted out to be the new Chaos Big Bad for Endhammer. Could probably tone him down.
Thing is, he did utterly obliterate Praag with a spell.
>>46740268
And the 8th edition rule book is 200 pages cover to cover, and the 9th age PDF is 120 pages. It's just hyperbole by a troll who's only in this thread to stir shit up.
Please learn how to ignore posters like him if you want a decent general thread. Responding to them with anything, even mockery, is what makes them keep throwing out bait.
>>46739414
It's weird, throughout Glottkin and the accompanying Novel, the Lady seems to be her own separate goddess in the realm of dreams who actually cares about the bretonnians. Then the entire storyline about the human gods gets dropped in the next book and lileath is shown to be a cold hearted bitch who was only using the brets as pawns the whole time.
I like the idea that the Bretonnians faith in the lady manifested its own sperate entity that was and wasn't lileath. Someone had to be answering those prayers and guiding the questing knights all the time, and it makes more sense that a separate goddess was doing it than Lileath taking more direct hand in human affairs than her own people.
Then again, realms of sorcery suggests that Prayers have almost nothing to do with gods and it is just willpower and ritual acting in concert to produce low level spells. makes me think that humans produce some sort of gestalt field like orcs, though on a lesser degree. That would explain what human "faith" really is. Those bretonnian knights just believed that bullets are unmanly and wouldn't touch them so hard that it manifested in a protective field.
>>46740409
I don't mean the writing. I mean Forgeworld putting out units from another time period.
I'm new to Warhammer, but as I was buying into the hobby (still am really) they released Age of Sigmar. I understood the points systems of 8th edition, but how do they balance warscrolls now?
Is each warscroll equal to one another and why do some tournaments ban formation bonuses? Basically, I don't understand the 'legal rules' for proper tournament play?
>>46740646
If you and your opponent have the same number of models, it's balanced. That is my understanding of it, which may be wrong. You'd be better off asking in the Age of Sigmar thread on how to construct an army under that ruleset.
>>46740646
Don't bother with Age of Smegmar and Warscrolls. Stick to 8th and you'll be fine.
>>46740646
Dude, make your own rules lmao
Generally it's one warscroll = one warscroll, no mstter what it is, which leads to the game being a horribly broken mess
>>46740933
So far my local scene is pretty much 8th with a few guys doing AoS. But yea, I think I'll stick with 8th, besides that has the most armies anyway.
>>46740646
See, I totally agree that it being 1 to 1 is insane! I'm still an amateur, but even I see that it becomes a wobby mess of a game with that in mind.
>>46737869
I got to start somewhere. sorry man.
>>46740646
Most people take 1 for 1 warscrolls but there are no actual rules at all balancing them. There is for example no reason in the world to take clan rats over storm vermin.
>>46741687
Such is the curse of ebay.
I'd buy it but I already have 100 too many rats
>>46735449
Why ice powers? I know Ulric is a winter god, but do Knights of the White Wolf/Teutogen Guard exhibit such powers?
Not against it, but it seems like something you'd reserve to make Kislev unique.
Also needs the ability to purchase a barded warhorse.
>>46742981
Reference -- our current Ar-Ulric.
>>46743033
"Current" meaning....? (most resent model I think)
>>46743103
Current meaning the Ar-Ulric during the "current" year in warhammer lore, Emil Valgeir
Ar-Ulric is a title not a name m8
>>46738832
That's GW in a nutshell
Everything is far too verbose and convoluted, even AoS. As a contract lawyer, the rules are genuinely painful for me to read. I wish they'd hire someone to write them properly.
>>46743194
I knew it was a title. I wasn't sure if that was representing a particular one though. Depending on the timeframe in game, it could have been known at release.
>>46743194
I forgot his name.
>Magnus the Pious Campaign
Stats for Ungol Riders? The hardy rivals of the Kurgan on the steppes. Despite being naked, they're described in novels as wearing garishly colorful clothing.
Hardy men born in the saddle and extremely good shots with a bow. Any suggestions on stats and rules?
>>46743757
Just make them general BS 4 light horse archers
>>46743839
General BS4 light horse archers meaning what?
>Other Kislev Units
-Gryphon Legion & Winged Lancers (in their old list, I think these were separate units. We could combine them)
-Bear Cavalry
-Kossar Infantry (Archers and Close-Combat Troops)
-Ungol Foot Archers (Light Scout Archers?)
-Ice Wizard
-Tzar Alexis Vassilivich (despite the bear theme, it seems most Kislev nobility rides horses, and he probably should as well)
-Other suggestions?
>>46743515I googled it anon don't feel bad
>>46743945
Typical statline human soldiers with bs 4 on horses with short bows and counting as light cav, having no armor or barding.
Maybe give "ungol horses" higher LD/M to represent excelent horsemanship.
I don't think they need a long list of special rules.
>>46732528
>Even if Grimgor Ex Machina.
Bullshit, Grimgor WHOOPED Archaon's ass. Chaos was blasted and humilliated in that campaign. But since Gav Thorpe and others at GW have such a big boner for fantasy chaos they literally rewrote everything so that they could win which is BS.
In my headcanon the end times and other shit is what would have happened had chaos won, but alas they DID NOT.
>>46743993
You realize chaos only got shit on is SoC because the chaos book was actual dog shit.
>>46743993
I know Chaos lost most of the games represented by people in stores, but we both know Archaon should have beaten Grimgor going off their respective fluff. Now, Grimgor's no slouch. It would have been a hard battle. But Grimgor shouldn't have just bitch-slapped him after a Valten fight.
What if it was Valten + Grimgor vs. Archaon in a climactic battle? Instead of Grimgor showing up at the end?
>>46743989
Oh. Yeah, that's fine.
>>46740478
>the Lady seems to be her own separate goddess
Only because she hadn't revealed herself, Lileath was able to trick people into believing she was Ladrielle, who is kind of similar to the Lady.
>>46740478
>lileath is shown to be a cold hearted bitch who was only using the brets as pawns the whole time.
She may not have had any special affection for them as a goddess, but they were being used for a good cause.
>>46744048
Not really, maybe you sucked and kept getting cucked.
My friend had a khorne army and he kept rekting everyone on tournaments on france circa 04-06.>>46744095
>but we both know Archaon should have beaten Grimgor going off their respective fluff
Fact is he did NOT.
The fluff and story was made by the campaign results, therefore we wrote the fluff.
Retconing everything to make Archaon win was like a manchild crying and making a tantrum because his character didnt win in the roleplaying game.
>>46743989
Gryphon Legion/Winged Lancers using Polish Lancers from WarlordGames?
>>46744381
The cmpaign was literally designed so chaos would win if they won close to 50% of their games.
If that didn't happen at that sample size it's pretty fucking obvious there was a balance issue mate
>>46744381
Sure, I would just stat them as heavy armor wearing lance cav, nothing to special there.
>>46744621
Actually all they had to do was touch the castle walls to win.
>>46744621
Its Warhammer. The game is wildly unbalanced, and you seem to be forgetting that one of the most broken armies of 6e was chaos.
>>46745062
>The game is wildly unbalanced
that's what he's saying mate, it's not a >GW so mean :( post
>>46745098
I know. I read that as complaining that Chaos was too weak.
>>46745145
It was self evidently too weak. If it lost so badly with such a large sample size of players it's pretty obvious it was weak in some way.
if i buy the trinket of MR(3), does the character grant said magic resistance to his unit, too?
>>46744048
it wasnt so much that chaos sucked but that the new empire artillery rekt the norscan fuccbois
>>46739316
>decide to kick comrade-murdering chaos madman outta warband
>by that time he accumulated so much Khorne's favour he kicks your warband out of itself instaed
>proceed to solo curbstomp mordheim
>>46742981
in one of Sigmar's novels Ar-Ulric had an axe of pure ice and the cauldron where he baptized Sigmar was freezing cold. I guess icy powers make as much sense for Ar-Ulric, as all those flaming attacks and other battle prayers for sigmarite Warrior Priests.
Not ice magic to Teutogen / KotWW though. That's purely Ar-Ulric's turf, imho.
That way, Kislev would still be fairly unique, yet there'd be a visible tie between it and Empire, to show their unity and stuff.
>>46746066
yes
>>46739852
You wont ever be able to buy them from gw anyway
>>46734902
>Volans, the First Patriarch
>WS3 BS3 S4 T4 W3 I3 A1 Ld10
>Staff of Volans, Teclis's Orb of Sorcery, Amulet of Hoeth
>Wizard Level 4, Loremaster/Pathmaster (Light),
>Amulet of Hoeth
>Gifted to Volans by Teclis to help offset the humans' inexperience in manipulating magical energies.
>Grants Volans 4+ Ward Save. Once per game, when Volans miscasts, he may use the Amulet. On a roll 4+, the Miscast is negated, but Volans loses the Ward save.
>Teclis' Orb of Sorcery
>One of the Orbs that Teclis gifted to human wizards.
>Volans can re-roll any dice when casting spells from Lore of Light, except Power Dice and Amulet of Hoeth. In addition, Volans can swap one of his spells for either Hand of Glory or Apotheosis from Lore of High Magic. Only one spells can be swapped this way.
>mfw even with their shitty DLC politic, CA is making everything to recreate the Warhammer world I loved
>they are openly against End Times and Age of Sigmar
>>46746772
>they are openly against End Times and Age of Sigmar
Source?
>>46746779
they usually comment about it on their facebook
>>46746772
>they are openly against End Times and Age of Sigmar
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHA
What is marketing. Who do you think their target audience is ?
That's like Muslims going into chinese restaurant because they believe the "Halal" in the front door while they eat Porc mm i mean "chicken" spring roll
>>46746809
I don't have a facebook account.
Take screens and post it here.
>>46746772
>WHFBkids will never learn the main lesson
How many Knights of the Realm/Errants should I have to be future-proof? Got 25 already, plus 5 Grail and Questing knights, and 3 pegasus.
I'm thinking of getting just one more box of KotR, or should I make that two?
Is this where I come to talk about Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay?
>>46747579
yes, if you find anyone to talk with about it
>>46746772
They're not openly against ET or AoS, they're just using 8th edition as a framework.
>>46747669
Its a shame GW was too stupid to let this happen during 6th edition.
But then lots of sad things have happened because GW is stupid.
Looking at that 80s-90s five-buck toy, that is Stardragon, I had a thought... why don't anyone - especially Dark Elves, since they ain't got no respect for their monsters - put armour on their dragons? Or other monsters for that matter? No matter how tough a Stonehorn is, a Stonehorn covered in metal plates is tougher still, no?
>>46746779
They also said that the game is set in the storm of chaos cannon.
Because the end times seem like Rubish
>>46748314
they really did? because it that case I'll buy the game just to pay them for being awesome!
>>46748031
I'm glad it came out after Rome 2, since that should save it from being a complete trainwreck, but yeah it's a wasted fucking opportunity
>>46748031
The vidya game would have acted as competition to the TT game. This would have killed WHFB sooner.
>>46748370
Not really. Mark of Chaos was pretty much a shitter Total War and GW had no problem with it.
If a good Fantasy game came out, WHFB would have been in a much better position. Just look at how many people got into 40k because of Dawn of War.
Anyone? >>46747544
>>46748034
Armor can be cumbersome, could reduce the innate agility of some monsters or limit their movement, rendering them more vulnerable.
Also, dragon scales are theoretically tougher than metal, in Warhammer. It'd be the equivalent of covering plate armour with parchment.
Not to mention that such a large amount of metal would be extremely expensive. If most armies already have a hard time equipping everyone with light armour (and we are counting a bunch of wood plates as armour) then it doesn't make sense to protect an already tough monster with even more armour.
>>46748370
The sad thing is GW is run by nutcases who actually think this way.
>>46746819
Yeah senpai I'm sure they are secretly in love with the flying golden homos just like you are.
>>46747544
You are pretty fine with 25. That will cover 2x12, and if you want more you'll fill those slots up with characters anyways.
Might want to get some more pegasi though if you can.
> GW refuses to advertise/diversify
> bleeds money
> GW makes shitty distribution decisions
> bleeds money
> GW ignores audience
> bleeds money
How long until they bleed to death?
>>46748314
>They also said that the game is set in the storm of chaos cannon.
I'm gonna need a source on that, because so far it seems they are merely setting a sandbox around the time of Karl Franz coronation
>>46748788
>WHFB players didn't buy models
>>46748788
Pretty long. They are World of Warcraft of tabletops. They may be losing people fast, but they have enough to outlast many competitors still.
>>46748809
X-wing has already surpassed 40k tho
>>46748788
You have no idea how a company works hehe ? They don't bleed money they just so less profit. Which will be largely compensated by their revenue diversification started in 2p15 with a freak load of videogames and books, 2016 has been ultra-profitabke for them until now, and that's without the cut on total war warhammer
>>46748370
Sure thing Gdubs, that's why there's so much new blood coming from the Total War General, not to mention the amount of hype the game currently has
>>46748825
Watch the shills go all defensive with 'but but mah starwars its not FAIR'.
>>46748381
A game that didn't sold at all didn't impact things.
Wow thanks anon
>>46748832
I mean I got back into WHF after a 10 year hiatus bc of Total War... Quit around the start of 7E. 8E looks like a clusterfuck. AoS looks ... fun? but in desperate need of a points system. Watching batreps of AoS on miniwargaming makes it look pretty fun but imbalanced. I dunno. Still think 6E was best E.
>>46748832
That's the point this anon was trying to make dumbass, glad you agree. Why paint models worth thousands of hours and dollars when a $60 game is superior in every.single.way.
>>46748875
I like looking at my collection and painting is fun. Also there's something to be said about playing with people IRL. I don't play video games any more, I spend like 2 hours a day painting after work instead. It's therapeutic.
>>46748859
I'll help you out, this is the thread you are looking for: >>46744709
>>46748875
>He doesn't know the satisfaction and self-pride from painting a model
>He doesn't want to show off his modelling skills with people with same taste
>He doesn't know about eBay and recasters
>>46748896
The thread is full of trolls. Even whineseer is more positive about AoS...
I'm still playing 6E anyway, haven't played AoS yet but bought a few more Daemons in case I do.
>>46748859
Sorry, you can't express a single positive emotion towards AoS in this thread. You either hate it until your mouth's foaming, or you belong in AoS thread and Hell. No middle ground here.
>>46748928
No buddy, the issue is that whenever someone mentions aos, that retarded troll comes and fucks up the thread. You know, the one who insists that stormcasts share more similarities with witchers than with space marines and argues that Warriors of Chaos use the warp to travel for every campaign and are basically deep striking.
Besides, AoS is not the topic of this thread.
>>46748916
>>46748894
I know about all the
Of those much more than you two faggots fusionned. But do you think the average Gamer is going to quit call of duty, fifa, assassins creed, WoW, to dedicate time to all that shit ? Yeano.
Also be it Z or CMON, they don't match the original, expect old shitty models.
And each hundred £€¥$₩ you saved on the figure is a hundred hour is rebending/resculpting your titan. I make half a titan an hour and don't have time with this shit, neither is the total war target demographic of 12-20 years old
>>46748957
>stormcasts share more similarities with witchers than with space marines and argues that Warriors of Chaos use the warp to travel for every campaign and are basically deep striking
wow, I ain't heard those ones before. that's fucking retarded.
but my (half-sarcastic) reply still valid though
>>46748964
The average gamer didn't even know what Warhammer was besides those cool boxes
Now at least they are interested in the setting, and some may even get into wargaming, even if it is a rather obscure hobby
>Ad hom
He mad
>>46748964
To each their own. I make about $40/hr and spend $200 a month on models and that keeps me busy for the month. Sure it's expensive but I don't have any other hobbies so eh.
And some people are getting bored of the same old shit with vidya games and miss the social aspect where you can dick about with armies with friends. That's why I love wargaming. I play DnD once a week and 6E every couple of weeks and it's more fun than I ever had with vidya.
>>46748964
>Total war target demographic is 12-20 year old
Funny because outside of Warhammer (surprisingly) Total War games were mostly /his/bait, also, I doubt any underage can handle the DLC rape
>>46749028
>Some people
Not enuff to keep whfb alive hehe?
Those people either play x-wing (no painting and instant gaming) or 40k (sci fy sells) not whfb. All your second paragraph literally apply to the whole industry, that's why whfb is dead
>>46749057
My 55 year old dad has played Rome total war (original) almost every day since it came out.
>>46749067
Actually I only got back to WHFB, I quit in about 2007 and only started buying models again last year (after AoS launched). Vermintide and Total War Warhammer (and a lot of disposable income) just reignited the flame.
Still play 6E but I always got the impression WHFB peaked around 7E and then started dying. No one I knew bought new models and new people weren't coming in. I have no idea how well AoS is doing but if I tried to get into 8E or 9th age I would be fucked basically as there are a lot of new rules I can't be bothered to learn and I'd have to paint a whole bunch of chaos chariots...
>>46749108
>I'd have to paint a whole bunch of chaos chariots
Yeah, all four of them... I have never used more than that, that's like 500 pts with marks + 2-4 unit of dogs and your core is filled.
Unless you wanna do the ten models army there is no reason for more. But really, if you have issues with the amount of painting in case of WoC, I'd suggest finding another hobby, or play 40k Imperial Knights.
>>46748875
>a $60 game is superior in every.single.way.
If you actually think this is true why are you here instead of /v/?
Also what's with all these people who bitch about painting and modelling as if its not a core part of the experience?
>>46748838
It really isn't a valid comparison. X-Wing not only has a HUGE license recognition, but it's prepainted and markets itself differently from hobby-focused miniatures wargames. It's more similar in some aspects to an LCG.
AoS still shit though.
>>46748828
>2016 has been ultra-profitabke for them until now
Then why does pic related say they're worse off today than in the last 364 days?
>>46749148
It's not that I don't mind painting, it's just I hate the chariot model and doing 4 would depress me. My Chaos army from 6E is completely incompatible with 8th and it just makes me sad because it's not even particularly optimised.
I have IIRC (not at home right now so I'm missing a few models):
A daemon prince,
A sorceror on a horse,
Mounted Daemonettes,
40 Marauders,
20 Warhounds,
40 Chaos Warriors
20 Mixed Gors/Ungors
I don't even have knights or anything that's actually GOOD in 8E.
>>46749179
Share price has nothing to do with profits, also global economy is getting a bit fucked so investors are a bit worried about luxury goods i.e. plastic army men.
I don't really understand, what motivates these braindead GW apologists to keep repeating that Fantasy or its fans are somehow at fault for GW killing it?
Everyone can see that it only declined after GW broke it in their mad quest for more sales.
>>46740316
They have a mini rulebook for 7th and 8th too.
>>46749179
>not showing a massive spike of income after release of based Stardrakes who sell by hunders
graph clearly outdated or even fake
>>46749228
And GW broke it well before AoS was even a thing.
>>46749201
That's not as bad as a start as you'd think. Marauders are suboptimal and you can't really use gors, but otherwise warriors are still good, daemon princes are better than ever, hounds are always useful, and you can use the mounted daemonettes as Slaaneshi Hellstriders (I do the same with my JD mounted daemonettes).
WoC is in the upper echelon of army books, everything works out of them. If I were you I'd get a chimera and some skullcrushers/knights, then you have perfectly fine 8th army (probably true for 9th as well).
>>46749271
Hmm I was gonna pick up some Skullcrushers next anyway.
I'll have a look. Is there any good way of using round bases in WHFB? I've seen some movement trays with round holes and stuff. I prefer the way round bases look, and I've been using my Mounted Daemonettes in 40k as well so they have magnetised bike bases but it's not ideal.
>>46749179
Loooooooool
Market share = profit.
My sides buddy what courses did you take for your economic degree ? 2015 numbers were merely the impact of ECB QE injecting 60billions /months in the market.
Please kiddo are you 12 ?
>>46749218
>>46749333
>Its Global Economics
>GW Not doing worse than other entertainment brands.
Share prices may not equal profit, but they can say a lot about a company's financial health.
It's a pity Mantic, PP, Pazio, etc. aren't publically traded. I'd love to see their Year To Date graphs next to that GW negative slope.
>>46748875
they're very different mechanically, not to mention the whole modelling aspect of WHFB
you're pretty much saying that Dawn of War will kill 40k, when it did the complete opposite
>>46748828
>2016 has been ultra-profitabke
Any numbers?
>>46749447
Hasbro going up? New season of MLP's out, meguess?
>>46749179
Share price doesn't mean shit and is entirely reactionary based on publicly available knowledge.
>>46749552
>entirely reactionary based on publicly available knowledge
wait, so us talking about GW dying actually contributes to GW dying? talk away! let everyone know! GW IS DYING!
When the hell are they gonna restock the Last Chance section? I want my KotRRRRRRRRR
>>46748771
Thanks anon :3
>>46749067
Slav, you really are tiresome. Why don't you worry about real life, where your shitty country is becoming worse by the day?
>>46749311
While I agree that rounds look better, the issue with the trays for rounds is that you end up with a mich bigger unit footprint, as the diameter of a round base is bigger than the side of the equivalent square base.
>>46749552
On one side
>Data
On the other side
>Assertions
Back up your 'GW is Soaring' claims with actual evidence if you can find any.
>>46749591
ikr
i've been checking on the page every 30 minutes or so since 8am
>>46749591
I'm not a tournament player so an extra few cm for the unit footprint seems alright. I'll have to think about how best to do it.
>>46749636
Point out my "GW is Soaring" claim. I'm fully expecting them to do just as shit this year as last year, outside of Total War money.
I'm just saying that you're retarded if you're looking at share price as a sign of current year profits, when there hasn't been any information disclosed on current profits.
>>46749311
I knew a guy who attached his Daemons to washers and then put magnets round bases and used a magnetic sheet as a movement tray so he could freely move between 40k and WHFB
Alternatively, there's the old War of the Ring trays that had slots for round bases. That'll increase your unit's footprint though.
