Sperging Out Over Opinions Edition
>Rules databases
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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
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>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
First for Commoragh
Second for the Gknights.
When are microtransactions coming to GW stores? Re rolls for 0.99c each.
I had a weird dream last night. It had something to do with the Wild West, werewolves, and a tech priest riding a bike. What does it all mean?
>>46728361
It means you should play a desert themed mechanicus army with tech priests riding kit bashed bikes and cyber wolves, toting revolvers and swinging lassos.
>>46728410
>mfw
Thank you, Anon.
>>46728325
My store runs a system where anyone who spends £40 or over gets a ticket for a free reroll during a game.
By use ing the stores tables you have to agree to it.
>>46728456
>My store runs a system where anyone who spends £40 or over gets a ticket for a free reroll during a game.
What with the current state of things I literally can't tell if you're serious or not.
Do non-furies chaos undivided lesser daemons exist?
>>46728481
I am 100% serious, it's a GW store too.
>>46728500
No. I'm not even sure chaos undivided exits outside of memelakor anymore desu
>>46728512
>I am 100% serious, it's a GW store too.
Which store? This is hilarious.
>>46728456
Why are you playing in a GW to begin with? If you dont have an alternative to a GW store, you just model, paint, and collect. Paying for rerolls is out of control faggotry.
I need a name for a knight who's title is Baron of Ash, last of the household known as "The Order of Cinders".
>>46728933
call him snoopy
>>46728933
Sir Smokey
>>46728933
Ketchum
>>46728933
Sir Darker Souls
And make sure to do it and paint him up with heraldy showing his name so when your ADD kicks in you won't forget which flavor of the month you got distracted by
>>46728933
I have no idea how eccentric this order is so forgive the differing themes behind the names:
>Emberblade
>Knight Aflame
>Inferno Alpha-K/2
>Ashen Titanicus
>Dominus Inferna
Alternatively, if you're after the Scion's name, just go with some High Gothic fanciness.
>>46728500
As far as i know, chaos undivided greater daemons exist. I don't see why lesser wouldn't, even if they don't appear in the game.
I believe that the average lesser deamon would look like the classic demon-beastmen.
Besides going heavy on cultists, possessed, Dark Apostles, and Sorcerors for Daemon summoning, what's fluffy for Word Bearers?
And I don't want to hear whining about power level and shit, I'm playing for Fluff, not winning.
>>46728933
>".
Juius Maximila Teraknis Grobunius Kar Gomeca, son of Lucia Tertica Sopha Ignatia Gomeca and Cars Ptomus Niblung Aenid Gomeca the third.
>>46729027
demonically possessed Rhinos
>>46729027
Power mauls!
>>46729027
Daemon Engines, while more of an Iron Warrior shtick, are something that most sects of the Lorgar Creed would respect, proof of the Daemonic and its dominance over not just flesh and soul, but of metal and circuit.
>>46729027
Daemon Allies maybe? In 3.5 Word Bearers got extra Troops slots on the FOC to allow for more Daemons by sacrificng FA, Heavys and Elites, which also reflected their tendency to not use much heavy armour
Would taking a Renegade Knight with two Thermal Lances be useful, or a dumb waste of rate of fire?
>>46729014
>implying I haven't been a fan of the souls series since demon souls.
>>46729146
I feel two battle cannons may be your best bet.
>>46729148
>Implying such a devoted fan can't come up with a name
Do you name all your characters Bob or something?
>>46729146
>>46729160
Wouldn't converting a left-handed battle or thermal cannon be really tricky?
>>46729023
>chaos undivided greater daemons exist
They don't. "Chaos Undivided" no longer exists as an objective truth within the setting. It's just a religious belief of those Chaos worshipers who choose to pay homage to the entire pantheon. The only 'undivided' Daemons are Be'lakor, who was a unique experiment the Chaos Gods learned not to repeat, and Furies, which are the spiritual detritus that none of them care enough to collect.
>>46729023
greater daemons are made explicitly by the hand of chaos gods
I've certainly never heard of any undivided greater daemon
>>46729187
Not to mention the great plethora of Warp-ghosts, Warp-spirits and very minor Daemons which are not part of the big four ruinous powers. Calling them Chaos is rather fallacious, but there are unaligned "Daemons," out there.
Does anyone know if it's still legal to run a CAD with the Ghazghkull supplement? I don't want an Orkurion, but I'd like access to Orkimedes' Kustom Gubbins.
>>46729187
*Coughlorgarandpertbuttockscough*
>>46729208
Both would have eventually had to side with one of the Four. Or at least be claimed by them. The Chaos Gods don't like to share their toys, especially their most powerful ones.
>>46729198
You definately get Greater Daemons of other chaos gods though, such as the Verminlord.
Speaking of which, where the fuck are the lesser daemons of the Horned Rat?
>>46729187
What about Lorgar? That nigga would never play favorites
>>46729254
In an entirely different setting, and thus irrelevant to 40k.
Man the ravager's tricky to build in places. Really don't think the instructions recommend the best order for putting together the side gunners.
>>46729262
It's canonically been the same warp between settings, presumably the Horned Rat's prescence in the galaxy is virtually nonexistent.
>>46729252
Ah? So which god are Lorgar and Pertymouth devoted to then?
Looking at the white scar relics in Kauyon. Is there any point in that Scimitar that increases your WS in challenges, when for 5pts more you can get that bitching glaive?
>>46729203
>Does anyone know if it's still legal to run a CAD with the Ghazghkull supplement?
it is
>>46729308
It isn't stated. However, it is stated that Be'lakor is the only Daemon Prince who isn't tied to one of the four Gods. Ergo, Lorgar and Perturabo can't be allied with 'Chaos Undivided'. They might have worshiped all four equally, or ignored them all, but eventually their deeds would have caught the eye of one above the other three and caused that God to elevate them.
>>46729315
>Is there any point to [Insert ability or wargear that needs a challenge to do anything here]
No.
>>46729341
So a statement that contradicts other facts takes precedence because???
>>46729350
The new khorne sword that always hits on a 2+ in challenges is pretty worth it if you're playing against invisibility/other to hit manipulation
>>46729367
It doesn't contradict anything except old, retconned fluff. Chaos Undivided, as anything other than a misguided religious belief, no longer exists within the setting.
>>46729341
>>46729308
This is the only reference I can find re: Pert.
It doesn't say he's a DP of Nurgle, but there's nothing in the fluff I've read of him involving any other Chaos Gods so I dunno.
I like the sound of "Rust for the Rust God" though
>>46728933
Dank Master Spliff, the Blaze Lord of Quadrus XX
>>46729380
Fair, though it still won't work on units without a character, monsters and walkers who aren't characters or some asshole who smugly refuses and sends one of the wimpier support characters in his deathstar to the back of the class.
So situational at best.
>>46729027
People say the Crimson Slaughter supplement is pretty good for playing Word Bearers because of the emphasis on Dark Apostles, Cultists, and Possessed. Though the inability to take VotLW, or Daemon Princes would be a pretty glaring disparity.
>>46729415
True true, at least 7th made overkill wounds in challenges affect the squad and forced loss of attacks from the unit not accepting the challenge.
Assault phase: getting back to usable one minor rule change at a time
>>46729184
Trivial. You just rotate the elbow (which has 360 degrees of rotation available) See the gattling cannon which is mounted on either side depending on variant.
>>46729340
Except that it never actually says that. See the FSE expansion which actually states that any Tau detachment can be FSE if you declare that it is.
>>46729341
>the only Daemon Prince who isn't tied to one of the four Gods
And I'm the only queen of England
>>46729490
Referring to the shield mount and other components not being ambidextrous. Would look a lot like giving a human model two right hands.
>>46729182
I'm not a creative man, in the literature department.
In which book there is a Curze vs Jonson duel?
>>46729520
Some minor modelling could be done to get it to work
>>46729341
However, they soon realised the folly of combining their might into a single vessel, as
Be’lakor was nearly uncontrollable. They soon began to raise up new Daemon Princes, each
god choosing only champions that would be loyal to them, and them alone.
Can we expect lorgar and perturabo to be retconned into worshipping one of the gods in particular then?
>>46729187
>Be'lakor
Be'lakor is a daemon prince, not a great deamon.
There are other entities in the warp that do not belong to one of the four factions. There's also several lesser Chaos gods. The original daemonhunter codex daemons are undivided.
Page 49 of Daemonhunter codex
>The Daemons that manifest in Daemonhunters games need not be aligned to any of the four major Ruinous Powers, as there are countless Chaos powers inhabiting the Warp
>no longer exists as an objective truth within the setting
Welp, I'm clueless if in the current fluff there are undivided daemons. But they used to exist, that's for sure.
>>46728933
Magnus Pater
>>46729537
We normally get fags asking for this shit after they played whatever new hotness on their xbox.
But you wanted a name, right?
Askr - Old norse word for ash tree; ash; spear
Could also be written as Askor or Askar, depending on pronunciation.
You can also use Brenna as your house name. Same deal it means burning; burn; be on fire; light; set on fire
So you would end up with something like:
Askor of House Brenna, or Askor, Knight of Brenna.
Also I'm going to use this name for something else if you don't mind.
Is there anything interesting one can do with four regular marine dreadnoughts other than fielding them as four dreadnoughts and hoping they don't get creamed? Not sure if there's any formations or whatnot that would help with large numbers of dreads, and for various reasons I've ended up with four of them
Deathwatch rpg in FATE. Thoughts?
>>46729627
5 helbrute formation, deepstrike and laugh.
Droppods man, droppods
>>46729545
>duel
>implying any primarch can stand up again Lion'el "Sneak Attack" Jonson
>>46729655
THere's nothing like that for nontraitor marines, I'm guessing?
>>46729679
Yiffmarines can do an entire army of dreadnoughts.
>>46729678
just tell me
Poverty marines enabled. Comments? Criticisms? I'll be heading to bed soon, but I'll respond when I rise.
I want to join my stores slow grow this Friday, but I have no idea where to start in making a competitive IG army at 500 points. Any thoughts?
>>46729546
Little inspecific. It'd be piss easy to put it on, but as someone who does a decent ammount of conversion work actually flipping the thing to match the one on the other side would be nightmarishly hard.
Half-assing it to just look sort of okay but not properly flipped might be more doable, I guess?
>>46729559
Meant to write just the larger cousins.
All the titan base lascans are blunt nosed.
Why it's different from the smaller laser destroyer i don't know.
To differ between the AP 1 and less potent AP2 versions perhaps?
>>46728933
"Quatuor Cinis" it's literally "ember ash" in google latin or "Ardens Est" which is "burning man"
>>46729014
Absolutely Savage™
>>46729692
When they meet Curze shit talks Lion and says he's going to be remembered as the guy wot hung about not committing to either side during the heresy. Lion expectantly shanks him during this speech while saying his "loyalty is it's own reward" line.
>>46729730
>Ferrus Manus, primarch with iron hands, leader of the Iron Hands.
>>46729730
Est means "Is".
Ardens Est would mean "Is burning"
>>46729678
Yeah Johnson is a chump, and the Dark Angels are pussies.
>>46729575
>Can we expect lorgar and perturabo to be retconned into worshipping one of the gods in particular then?
Can't really do that with Lorgar, you would need to write his character allover again which would pretty much fuck up the HH and Word Bearers as a whole. The best way would be to kill Lorgar off before his apotheosis, but that's not preferable either
>>46729590
Terribly outdated by a few years and dexs. The writers and studio don't like chaos undivided any more.
>>46729575
It would be better if they retconned Belak'or out of 40k.
>>46729655
That would cost 1000 pts before any upgrades
>>46729824
Why would you want to remove Belakor from WH40k ? Autistic lore hang up? Or you dont like invisibility?
>>46729824
This.
>>46729811
I think the best way to do it would be to make other avenues to becoming a Daemon "Prince." Maybe instead of being elevated by one of the Powers Lorgar just managed to fully transcend the mundane shell the Emperor crafted to house the being that was later called Lorgar.
>>46729848
Because he's skub and must be removed.
>>46729698
I'm not a CSM player, but this idea looks pretty great.
>>46729725
The rapier array is AP1 as well. But here's an interesting question, where in Book 6 does it give stats to the vindicator's array? I've heard people say it's 48" inches instead of 36", but only reference to this is the old PDF. Book 6 is newer, so surely you're suppose to use the rules in that. And it only says it can take a laser destroyer array, but doesn't give stats to it (at least that I can find). So wouldn't that mean you use the ones found in the red book, which is 36"? If there's newer rules, wouldn't that upgrade affect the rapier and things like spartans and legion super-heavies as well?
>>46729848
>Autistic lore hang up?
Yeap. The limp prick breaks the whole setting and should be removed.
>>46729864
Magnus did that
The issue is whether you can do that and not be pulled into the influence of one of chaos fuckers
>>46729789
You're being too literal
Without a subject you have to create a virtual one ie it burns or that which burns or the burning one or burning man
>>46729678
Alpharius/Omegon
So does pic related (the wording on all the other FW knights is the same only with the respective knight) mean as long as I take, say a crusader, I can take one atrapos, one lancer, one magaera, etc?
>>46728261
meinneger.jpg
Should I ever give a drone (gun/marker/breacher's shielddrone) to a Firewarrior Squad besides the sentry turret?
>>46729575
Didn't one of the csm books say pert unleashed a virus on a planet and so nurgle raised him up?
The fact that Lorgar alone hasn't been touched post heresy beyond vague shit in the word bearers trilogy shows what pile of shit he always was
>>46729824
This would make chaos great again!
>>46729952
By RAW you can actually just take two 'rare' knights and it still works, as long as they're two DIFFERENT 'rare' knights.
GW in charge of writing rules that work. All this does is prevent you from taking a single 'rare' knight on its own.
>>46729848
The way they put Be'lakor back into 40k/whfb was hamfisted. Remember how everyone hated how Draigo was when he got into 40k? Same way.
Also Be'lakor the band (which is inspired by the character but oddly is lacking songs about dominating and being behind everything) is dropping their next album this year named "Vessels" in June I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEK5GzSmhUU&feature=youtu.be
>>46730026
Eww, amazed to find a fellow Be'lakor (the band) fangirl
>>46729918
They should make it explicitly possible. Chaos needs less structure. We need more stories about lesser Chaos powers and Daemons that do their own thing.
Samus is probably my favorite named daemon due to how unique and bizarre his appearance was.
>>46729910
Rules i found said
Laser Destroyer
36" 9/2 Ordnance 1, Twin-linked
>>46730026
Also is model is ugly as fuck.
>>46730096
That would encourage kitbashing and conversions and Kirby mandated against that around 3rd edition time
>>46730112
>not liking steer horns on your demons
>>46730096
>unique and bizarre
>just a big red daemon with a sword, some muscles, and a dog head
your husbando a generic
>>46730112
the model is pretty old, at least as old as those metal chaos havocs
>>46730118
What are you talking about anon, they just put out a new conversion guide a couple days ago.
>>46730134
Samus's appearance in the books is a lot less defined. Hell, for most of it he's just whispering at people.
>>46730135
"Just fucking scrape a hole in it"
>>46730026
>back into 40k
Well, he was never in 40k to begin with. He was a name dropped in Archaon's fluff and a token character in Storm of Chaos. Then someone at GW thought that he was cool enough to sacrifice the entirety of Chaos to and he became the new C'tans, all powerful, behind everything, etc.
I'm just waiting for him to get sharded.
>>46730104
Red legion book lists laser destroyer as AP1.
>>46730159
Funnily enough GW's latest abortion, Age of Sigmar, actually did one thing right for once, Be'lakor is pretty much gone from the setting. Probably because the writers realized that he completely underminded Archaon (which is suppose to be a big badass now).
Just me or is the Cerastus frame kinda shit?
Not the actual units, those are fine. I mean the difference between the smaller knights and a Cerastus one.
It's about 1.5 times the height of the smaller one, but for that you get:
-1 extra attack
-Runs faster. Useless in most situations because abandoning very expensive ranged attacks.
-No stubber.
-No top weapon mount.
Basically my complaint is it's too similar and heck, arguably slighly worse than it's noticably smaller counterpart.
>>46730176
They're just waiting for a chance to release their plastic Be'lakor model, which can take Archaon as its mount.
>>46729998
>All this does is prevent you from taking a single 'rare' knight on its own.
You can do that as a LoW for any other Imperium army, so all it does is stop you taking an army of just one rare knight and nothin else, or taking two of the same rare type in a knight detatchment.
>>46730159
ohh, see i keep forgetting some daemons were only in 40k or only in whfb at one point. i believe 1 of slaanesh daemon's does this as well
>>46730059
i think they're a good band
>>46729966
Yup, the 6th and current codex:>>46729404
Doesn't say he's a Daemon prince of Nurgle outright, but just that he's a Daemon Primarch who on at least one occasion has invoked the power of Nurgle
So make of that what you like
>>46730176
It would be pretty damn great if they had Abbadon or even Ahriman just kill of Be'lakor.
>>46730255
Was he always so bright?
>>46729832
Helbrutes are only 100 points base
>>46730326
Yeah, Ahriman was one of those nerds that read books in their free time.
>>46730326
The warp is one hell of a drug man.
>>46730255
>Be'lakor gets stuffed in Abbadon's lighting claw
10/10 would make the game great again
>>46730059
there's dozens of us!
>>46729875
Flawless logic.
>>46730176
isnt he literally belakors mortal son?
>>46730326
No, he was always pretty dumb, as shown by his whole "I'm totally not a puppet of the Chaos Gods, but I'm actually so up in Tzeentch's ass that I can't really recognize anything else but his intestine"
Chaos really needs more variety in its characters, because they are either yes-man for their God or they despise them while actually unwillingly doing only their will (like Ahriman or Belakor)
>>46729914
Eh. Theres tons of stupid shit in the lore. Contradictions, inconsistencies. Cherry picking one of those just seems arbitrary and unnecessary. I like Belakor, and I consider Chaos Undivided to be canon.
Newbie 40k player here. In 7th edition Ultramarine army:
Is it bad to buy an extra storm bolter on my Rhinos for 5 pts?
Should my tactical sergeants have a pistol and chainsword, or should I just give him a chainsword and bolter?
What's the advantage of having one 10-man squad instead of two 5man squads?
Can I put units into a vehicle that is not their dedicated transport? What advantage does a dedicated transport give over a non-dedicated one?
Thanks in advance. I tried looking most of this (some actually) up online.
>>46730435
If you've got points to spare, upgrades are fine. Just don't go too crazy, a dozer blade would be a better option half the time.
Giving your Sargent +1 melee attack or +1 shot, that's your call based on your playstyle.
A 10 man can combat squad, so your question is invalid. Split when you need to, don't when you don't.
You can start inside any transport, but only the unit that bought the dedicated one it can be in it if that's so. Otherwise, you can put anything in any transport.
>>46730435
No
Bolter
Shank two niggas at once, shank one nigga twice
Yes, if a dedicated transport is for a troops choice in a CAD it also gets objective secured. Other than that dedicated transports are simply a restriction.
>>46730188
Well, not everyone plays based on statlines. I occassionally run whats considered to be the worst Knight, the Castigator - because I like the look of it.
If you're analyzing statlines when building your army, you're on the path to becoming a waac type guy.
>>46730414Yes
>>46730340
And pods another 100 per/pod for CSM
>>46730532
Go look up the helbrute formations champ.
>>46730501
Except if you play something else than Eldar/Tau/SM, in which case you're trying to have a list which you can have fun with, as in "not getting tabled turn 3" :)
(I'm a chaosfag playing in a tau/eldar/spacewolf/ultramarines only meta)
I'm surely not the only person that has a hard time with clipping necron warrior heads... right anons?
>>46730532
Helbrutes cant take a Dreadclaw as a dedicated transport.
>>46730482
>>46730496
Seems like if you have a 10 man squad, you can overwatch better.
If a 10man squad gets charged, they all overwatch before going into melee. If two 5man sqauds get charged, they have to overwatch individually.
Also, a good sgt with high leadership seems to do better with a 10man squad since his ld can affect 9 other guys instead of just 4. So if you have two smaller squads, morale tests might be harder, as opposed to one big squad with a good leader.
Lastly, it seems like whenever you lose a whole squad, the enemy gets a point. So a 10man squad could make it harder for your opponent to get a point that way.
I'm still a newb so I don't know how much of this is true.
>>46730176
>Be'lakor is pretty much gone from the setting
He isn't. He still has lore and the Grand Alliance Chaos book expands his lore by seeing that he is a wild card and that he was the first Everchosen of Chaos who abandoned his title and position to pursue his own agenda.
I am sick and tired of you folks lying like high school bitches to start rumours.
>>46730554
>Except if you play something else than Eldar/Tau/SM, in which case you're trying to have a list which you can have fun with, as in "not getting tabled turn 3"
'crons don't have that problem
daemons don't have that problem
skit-mech don't have that problem
guard usually doesn't have that problem
hell even sisters don't have that problem
I understand that the bottom three armies have it tough, but you all need to stop acting like every army except the the top three are completely unplayable and almost guaranteed to get tabled.
>>46730570
Nah, they're a bastard. It's kind of funny people recommend necrons as noob-friendly because of the paint scheme while forgetting they can be a bugger to build.
>>46730554
I play CSM too; there is no amount of min-maxing you can do to compete with those armies if they are also min-maxed.
Just play the models you like, paint better than everyone else, and condescendingly laugh at faggots who field formations against your CSM.
So I tried out a 1000 points Slaneesh Daemon army today against CSM, won pretty hard.
My keeper of secrets did great, running a greater ether blade and a book of true names (cant remember the actual name). However, his mastery level 3 was pretty much useless for the whole game. Hell, perils of the warp was the only thing that damaged him. Was I just unlucky this game with my rolling and I should give physic powers another go on the KoS, or spend the 75 points somewhere else?
>>46729202
Unaligned =/= Undivided.
Unaligned means the Chaos Gods have no claim on or don't want to claim the warp entity. (furies)
Undivided means all the Chaos Gods have an equal claim on the warp entity.
>>46730580
If you opponent is melee focus, then yes that's a good tactic.
>>46730594
They arent usually lying. They just dont own any of the books, nor read them. And most of the time these retards are just trying to convince, or have convinced themselves that their headcanon is fact. And they never recognize their own stupidity.
>>46730620
I swear its taking me twice as long to make a set of warriors than it does to make up a set of tactical marines.
Thankfully Immortals aren't as annoying
where can I find the rules for the Iron Hands gorgon detachment
>>46730594
He's no longer playing a part in the story. You can fuck off if you don't like it but that's the fact.
>>46730357
>Abaddon
>Killing his own father
>Again
Not even he is that evil, anon.
>>46730429
If Ahriman joined with Be'lakor, then they would have outwitted Tzeennch together but Ahriman is a fool!
>>46730626
better off going 2 greater 1 lesser for rewards.
3 levels in telepathy is always great.
lord of change is a better beatstick unfortunately, though nothing beats Dthirster with 2 greater rewards and Armor of Scorn.
>>46730626
Keepers are W5 T6 Excess/Telepathy/Malefic psykers with possibly 3 mastery levels, they are typically very difficult to kill (and nigh impossible now if you spend the 20 points to give them the Soulstealer relic)
They are exceptionally good psykers typically but telepathy can be a hit/miss on powers depending on what army you're playing against. They're base ML 1 so you'll always have at least one roll, but if you think your opponent is monster hunting you may want to put the upgrades on a herald or elsewhere.
Consider using two greater rewards on the Keeper and giving the grimoire to another daemon who can then buff the Keeper. Lash of Despair is also an incredible option.
>>46730549
That's 3 brutes and while not worthless, it comes with its downsides.
>>46730572
>>46730678
You mean he hasn't appeared yet in the main story but he has rules and lore in the AoS. Considering his connection with Archaon, he is going to pop up eventually to try to destroy him sooner or later.
>>46730679
>Not even he is that evil, anon.
My Saturday morning cartoon villains say otherwise!
>>46730679
>Abaddon
>father
Wan't he a clone of horus?
>>46730715
>Consider using two greater rewards on the Keeper and giving the grimoire to another daemon who can then buff the Keeper.
KoS is the only thing in my list that can get an exalted reward otherwise I probably would do that. At least this way there is no chance I will give the KoS a 6++ save instead.
I run a Tzeentch daemon army and does anyone know some reliable ways to take down Flyers and Land raiders?
>>46728933
Gwyn.
>>46730715
>keepers are very difficult to kill
>mfw mine always goes down after a few hits
>>46730820
fateweaver and flying prince
>>46730594
>>46730654
>carnacing this hard
>>46730820
Fateweaver. He always knows Tzentch lore's 6th spell which is witchfire S:D ap1
Does "They Shall Know No Fear" protect against those fear rolls that reduce your WS and BS to 1?
It feels like Knights are becoming less of a dick move, more of a "just another thing" feel.
Is this the case?
>>46730935
Read the rulebook.
>>46730935
How about reading the rulebook?
Normally I even answer questions about the rules, but this one is so lazy that it really doesn't deserve anything
>>46730947
It would be about fucking time.
>>46730947
Against new armies sure, the old/weak aries still haven't gotten any better against them.
>>46730947
kind of, as the game gradually adds more lords of war or weapons capable of taking them on
hell i've added in lascannon havocs since my usual list is really lacking anti tank
If your hq is in a unit of slow and purposeful and isnt slow and purposeful himself can he elect to sweeping advance by himself and separate from that unit?
>>46730594
your not fooling anyone, smelakor.
>>46730996
>>46731028
>>46731014
im personally pretty sick with the attitude given to some knight players because crybabies don't like their codex. They're not as strong as Eldar or tau, it's not even close, but people get off on bitching about them. A fully stocked crusader is about the same cost as a baneblade but with half the firepower and 2/3 the hull points, but you don't see people crying about them.
>>46730762
No, Abaddon came out of vagina. It's possible that Be'lakor cucked Abaddon's real father and fathered him like what happened with Archaon's father.
>>46730856
>Gets called out for being high school rumour mills
>Carnac!
Stacy, I swear to god!
>>46731104
The trick is to use the Questoris 30k codex. None of the knights are lords of war, just regular foc types. Plus you get more freedom and options to build your list.
>>46731104
>because crybabies don't like their codex
Hi
Your super heavy walker only army invalidates 25% to 75% of the opponents non-super heavy only army
>>46731104
I'm personally pretty sick with the attitude given to some low tier players just because they can't field jumping meltas and D-guns on their Troop choices.
>>46731124
>going "nu-uh" = being called out on
You used to be cool, carnac, you used to have sources and shit. Now you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and denying reality around you.
>>46731104
Yeah, fuck people who don't natively have tons of anti-tank or rely on melee for it! Ork players should just lube up before every game.
>>46730570
I found toenail scissors to be most effective for it, the short ones that curl up near the tip.
Necron stuff is made of so many tiny pieces that anything else is liable to snap it.
>>46731104
hey nice deflection. well that settles it, those are the only differences. we should just stop our tears and move on. OH WAIT! they are also meelee monsters too. No free meltabomb destruction for whoever actually gets there. Charge it with a unit of meganobz? probably 3 dead, not that they would get there, because you have alot of points left to buy things that make sure that never happens. Look at all these bolter weapons that go completely to waste. Hey I guess my marines are a waste against all guard armies too then. Nope, I can charge them and wreck their back armor. Well theni guess ork walker lists and all dread lists must be just as broken too? No, again. One good lascannon shot kills them dead, and there are not generally meaningful invun saves around.
knights have the best of all worlds. And the games are BORING, because there is no middle ground, close games. Either you have the silver bullets to deal with them wipeing them pretty easy, or you dont and you lose spectacularly. Nobody wants to watch the NFL's best team womp on colleges worst team (more than once anyway, which is why knight players get exactly one game in with opponents).
>>46730762
It's canon that there was speculation he was a clone of Horus, not canon that he IS a clone of Horus
>>46729956
Gun Drones are not really worth it, since you wont get to use their majority toughness, and their damage output isn't good enough to consider it. Just take more fire warriors, or more squads.
Unless you have the Mont'Ka drone network formation that grants a fuckton of rules and BS3 to all drones, then you take ALL THE DRONES whereever you can.
>Saved CD and CSM from being pounded to oblivion
>cuckbeards cry against it on /tg/
Show some respect weaklings.
>>46731195
I didn't say "Un huh", you illiterate fool . I cited the book that disproves anons claim. I even have the book with me in my library. I am using it to build my AoS army. I can cite the page number if you want or write down the lore and rules word for word. Unlike you guys, I am honest.
>>46731275
Yeah but how is he on tabletop?
350 points seems overpriced, especially considering his warlord trait, but full access to telekinesis seems decent
>>46731308
That's a pretty spot on analysis of him really.
You are missing no facts.
>Nobody wants to waste valuable gaming time arguing, so be prepared to interpret a rule or
come up with a suitable solution for yourselves (in a manner befitting the better class of
Imperial Citizen, of course).
Does this mean I'm supposed to immediately kill my opponent once we disagree about something?
>>46731281
The lady doth protest, but I'm not seeing pages or quotes.
>>46730501
>If you're analyzing statlines when building your army, you're on the path to becoming a waac type guy.
I was talking the simulationist aspects of the statline, with two very different units being almost identical.
That said just run it as a Warden dude nobody's gonna care.
>>46728500
There's still a blurb about undivided princes carving out their own realms in the Formless Wastes. GW just doesn't focus on undivided Daemons because they don't sell as well as the big 4.
How do i beat obliterators, laspreds?
>>46730501
I analyze statlines, but wont lower myself to things like cheating, or using the most broken units, keeping in mind I might want games with said people in the future. Does that make me WAMC? (win at most costs)
>>46728456
remember rending dice?
the orange dice they give you if you spend over 100$ at gw, and any unit that rolls to wound using these dice automatically rend on a 6
>>46730532
deepstrike, son
>>46731349
yes.
>>46730188
Cerastus is a very specialized knight and what it does it does it well. It kills hordes like its nobodys business. Mine's bodycount is probably way over 400 at this point. One game it killed 4x30 units of ork boyz.
>>46731365
Page 184 of Grand Alliance of Chaos. Titled "Daemons of Chaos". Has a sexy picture of Be'lakor surrounded by daemons.
"Chief among the dispossessed are the Daemon Princes mighty champions who were once human but who earned the reward of immortality. Among the barbarous tribes of the realms, these creatures are demigodsm sympols of the ultimate reward awaiting at the end of the Path to Glory. To the Greater Daemons, however, they are but lieutenants, powerful without a doubt, but still beings that were once mortal. Some are harder to define, like the malicious Be'lakor who was the first Everchosen, but turned aside from his path at the last in order to pursue his own selfish agenda"
Page 193 has the Be'lakor rules.
>>46731249
Like your orks can play against anything resembling a top tier army anyway. You at least get a chance here instead of being murdered by shoot and scoot troop choices all game. Or have every squad murdered by d scythes on t6 infantry hanging out in tanks with transport capacity.
And how about using those troops to claim objectives and score points maybe? Play the game instead of crying about someone bringing a different style of army along. A knights costs the same as three russ tanks, which have higher armor, more hull, a bette r ability to spread out for objectives and more guns, too.
In closing, git gud
>>46731498
5 brutes need at least two pods to deep strike and the formation of 5 need 5 pods
>>46731531
I think he means the chassis, not the acheron/castigator in particular.
Fools haven't really picked up on the chassis names yet. The shorter GW plastic ones are questoris, tall FW lancers are cerastus, the new mini reaver/Moar dakka version are called acastus.
>>46731143
Not nearly as much as mech guard. Even more hull of AV to deal with. Or any flyer spam. Hope you like snap shots. Swarm armies turn heavy weapons into overpriced junk.
>>46731605
Derp, you are right. Somehow I though "Cerastus = Castigator" in my head. Sorry about that.
>>46731487
"so take your rending wounds from my bolters, and then your other saves"
"wait what, bolters dont rend"
"these are gw dice. I bought 100 dollars worth of product. Now any attacks done by these are rending!"
"hahaha if you think you will get to use these bullshit rules you are even stupider than when you originally got these dice.*rolls dice* there, saved every wound. Go fuck yourself"
are people stupid enough to have fallen for this?
>>46731531
That's a Cerastus Knight Castigator you're thinking of, one of the four Cerastus frames.
To address your point: Yes, the Castigator does one thing very well. The problem is that the complete inability to charge a seperate unit from where it aims it's main gun makes it worse not just at flexibility, but even at it's speciality due to overkill issues.
Out of curiosity, how often do you find the following two things happen:
-Shooting the unit foils your charge distance.
-Shooting then charging the unit leaves you overkilling the unit by a hefty ammount, wasting potential.
>>46731640
Wow you sound pretty cool. I liked the part where you stood up to the guy with the orange dice!
>>46731657
I find myself often not shooting so I could land in my charges or run and put pressure on my opponent. The lack of secondary, crappy weapons really weakens the whole unit.
>>46731657
This happens to me all the time. I'll look at the situation, go "guess I'm not firing," and proceede to roll four 2s on my attacks.
>>46731562
Whazzamatter, chummmmmmmp? Did the complimentrary buttplug you got in the mail when you joined the gay gamers club suprise you with its girth? Tired of being called a faggot already? Sick of looking at your 500 dollar investment, gathering dust on the shelf, because nobody is stupid enough to give you a game? Dont worry, like the buttplugs size you will grow accustomed to it eventually.
>>46731663
nobody ever let you use those rules you paid for, eh?
>>46731716
In theory you pay for all rules you use since codexes and models cost money but I'm just being pedantic.
My actual question is - should I run CAD demons or Demonic Incursion demons? I'll likely be playing Khorne/Nurgle since I own a top tier army I don't need my demons to be top tier.
>>46731747
Well Incursion is pretty restricting but its also rewarding. I say go with the incursion. It'll make fun army to play.
Alternatively, use this
There is a helbrute formation called the mayhem pack that allows you to take 3 and only 3 bruits that deepstrike, get IWND and roll crazed at the beginning of turn. Learn to explain shit and people wont go over the same conversation twenty times.
Also did they change the warlord traits/relics for the black legion in the new enhanced ed?
>>46731562
Russes have lower side and rear armour, use read armour in melee, does not have a magival ++ to cover a facing from shooting, can explode, when glanced down does not explode in a murderblast, does not stomp, does not have D.
>Thousand Sons Squad costs as much as a fucking land raider
Are they good at all?
>>46728305
Never seen that one before, than you Brother-Captain.
I'm argueing with someone who says there is no evidence that the Tyranids have consumed multiple galaxies and says that any lore that suggests it is from the perspective of people who don't know anything about them...
This is really frustrating.
If a unit in close combat as two base attacks, and two melee weapons, is that four attacks? One with each weapon?
inb4 I have failed to understand the most basic fundamentals
>>46731561
That's it? Well truly he's the master of Chaos and the grand architect of fate with such bold and captivating words written about him. Would not expect any less of him than what amounts to a note in the margin.
>sexy picture
Oh carnac...
>>46731891
are they cult units?
>yes
are they plague marines?
>no
then they are shit m8, its a shit codex
>>46731911
2 CCW provides +1 attack unless you're a walker in which case it's +1 for each weapon after the first.
>>46731911
dont know if bait..
you get +1 attack for having 2 ccw's, if one is specialist and the other isnt you dont get it, both would need to be.
>>46731911
Nope. You only get one bonus attack for having a second weapon.
But you can get another bonus attack, if you charge.
>>46731698
"My orks are garbage, invalidating my purchases, so I'll cry until I get other people's invalidated as well!"
Did you just move out of your mothers basement? In the real world, crying doesn't get you a participation trophy and an ice cream cone.
Ice cream is for closers.
>>46731891
Their stats and abilities are all over the place. They have AP 3 guns, but no way to dislodge targets in cover, 4++ saves, but no way to get much adavtange out of that survivability, and a psyker champ, who doesn't get good powers and comes with an expensive retinue.
In theory they're good in a lot of places. In practice they're meh everywhere
>>46731562
>>my cheeze is acceptable, because other cheeze exists.
try harder.
Does anyone maybe have the Ravenor omnibus as a PDF? I can't find one. I'd be a very grateful anon
>>46731562
>And how about using those troops to claim objectives and score points maybe? Play the game instead of crying about someone bringing a different style of army along. A knights costs the same as three russ tanks, which have higher armor, more hull, a bette r ability to spread out for objectives and more guns, too.
>He thinks this matters when the vehicle damage chart exists
Ho ho ho ho, enjoy snap shooting your blasts, kid.
>>46731938
I get games with my orks,
Im not the one who bought into a faggot tier army, and was shocked when my own personal charisma was unable to convince others that my army was indeed balanced, and worth a fun game against. nothing you say will change that.
>>46731927
I'd argue that Noise Marines have some use. They beat other MEQs in CC, have easy access to FNP, and they can be loaded out for assault, mid-range Ignores cover, or long range S 8 AP 3 ignores cover.
They get some pretty sweet guns, but neither them nor Plague marines can carry an army.
>>46730949
>>46730968
I would say it does protect against Fear, (such as creatures that have fear) but not against morale checks.
However my friend is saying his fear stuff still effects my marines (such as lowering their WS to 1 if they fail). I'm saying they automatically pass.
I wish Assault Marines weren't such butt.
>>46731938
>tries to make a point about any army being able to take out a knight with ease
>backpedals hard when shown an army that doesn't stand a chance.
>then tries to hide his tears by calling some random poster on a Mongolian basket-weaving board a basement dwelling loser.
So I'm working on plans for a marine army, and so far all I have is that they're siege defense specialists, basically focused around holding a line with big defensive guns.
For this I had planned on giving Grav-guns to tacticals for a more stationary special weapon, along with taking more Devastators and other troops with a variety of heavier guns to take out approaching targets.
My question is how to do this in a way that won't devolve into a boring gunline that just sits there and slowly picks away at the enemy.
>>46732053
And I wish <Insert whatever fucking Ork you want> weren't such butt, either.
>>46732072
Are Ork players the biggest cry babies?
I think so.
>>46732053
Take them in that assault from deep-strike formation. Guaranteed to do -something-
>>46732084
They have every right to be, since they're actually the worst army, no matter how much CSM players like to pretend its them.
>>46732085
Formations confuse me.
Am I not allowed to have the same chapter tactics on a formation as I have on my CAD?
Or is that Battlescribe being shit again.
>>46728500
In the Rogue Trader core rulebook there are rules for "Ebon Geists", there's similar stuff in Dark Heresy too.
Basically there is a lot of weird stuff living in the warp that isn't aligned to any of the big 4.
>>46731917
The Grand Alliance Books are not lore dumps. They just have little lore blurbs and most of it is rules. The Battletomes and Narrative campaign are the lore dump books.
If you been following fantasy lore, then you would know that authors take their time in writing lore about Be'lakor. For example, After SoC it took a decade for GW to write Be'lakor lore that showed him to be responsible for a great many things in the setting.
In AoS, it won't be different but first they must establish the key events of the setting before revealing that Be'lakor was behind it all.
>>46732105
the cybork being ruined made me quit orks
>>46732105
Problem is csm players are always comparing themselves to loyalists. Is this healthy? Maybe, maybe not.
>>46732070
Don;t worry about it since you'll already be playing a sub optimal build?
>>46728247
so regimental advisors can't take extra gear?
>>46732015
I get games with my knights.
I'm not the one trying to be an Internet tough guy and stir up shit.
80% of the issue is that when people look at a chum bucket like this they see faggots like you crying because your mommy didn't wipe your bum.
>>46732066
Orks can camp on objectives in the hundreds. I'm n it sure what else needs to be said.
And I think you may be giving this board too much credit
>>46732015
Not the guy you're responding to but at my store we have 2 players with Knight armies and no one minds playing them.
>>46732150
>sub-optimal build
I don't care about power. It's one of the strongest books in the game anyway
I just care about making sure it isn't incredibly boring to play against.
So yeah any answer about the black legion update? did the warlord traits or relics get changed? cos they were shite
