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>>46639792
something interesting about that pic.

that's striker3 but dismoutned.

so striker4? or are mounted warcaters getting dragoon rules?

>>46639792

I wonder if Ord still exists.

>>46640022
Ord would be pretty hard to destroy. They've got ties to just about every merc contract, so it would be very hard to wage war on them. And their navy is likely the strongest of the iron kingdoms.

>>46640017
Maybe he just, y'know, got off his horse for a minute.

>>46640017

I wouldn't read into it being Stryker4, it's much more likely he just dismounted to pose like a bad ass.

>>46640072
Ord's military is neither as advanced or large as any of their neighbors. They'd get their asses kicked if it came to a standup fight with any of the other nations. KNG straight up said that after Khador took the Thornwood (thus giving Khadoran forces a way to circumvent the mountains of northern Ord), the Ordic army itself didn't think it could do more than slow them down if the Khadorans launched an assault on them.

>>46639792

>Caine apparently going Merc
>Magnus working with Stryker

Are we getting a round of "traitor" casters? What other casters could you see switching factions? What would you like to see?

I think Vlad defecting to the Protectorate would not be too hard to justify in the lore considering his current relationship between the Empress. I could see Karchev's "escape" being a Cryxian plot and him being a Cryxian sleeper agent.

>>46639792
Magnus as Cygnar Ally caster. PLEASE YES.

>>46640341
>>Caine apparently going Merc
Where did you hear that?

>>46640217
That's where the merc contracts come in. The standing army itself might not be great, but the ties to mercs would give them a huge boost. Hell, I think a lot of mercs have no aggression treaties with ord written into their contracts.

>>46640376

I can't find the official post, but I've seen it said time and time again on various Facebook pages that a PP staffer "confirmed" Caine3 is going to be a Merc.

>>46640341
PoM Vlad? Yus plez

>>46639792
So where is that comment from one of the devs about there never being a MK3 while he's around?
Or all that shit about how MK2 is perfect and doesn't need any changes?

You guys sure change your tune fast.

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>>46640519
I mean, people thought it was a stupid comment when he made it

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>>46640341
Not a round per se, but there is another in the future.

>>46640427
>Hell, I think a lot of mercs have no aggression treaties with ord written into their contracts.

There's a difference between agreeing not to fight against Ord and fighting Ord's losing battle for them. If Ord doesn't have the coin or resources to be able to field a decent army, what makes you think they've got enough to hire enough mercenaries to beat back an assault by one of the biggest military powers in Western Immoren?

>>46640376
>>46640433
I haven't seen anyone claim a staffer said that, but I do know Caine becoming a merc caster has been a popular theory on the forum for years now.

The Primecast did mention Cygnar becoming more aggressive, which implies Vinter/Magnus/Julius in charge, and Caine of all people probably wouldn't be very popular in that crowd...

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>>46640545
Higher rez plz?

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>>46640663
Sorry, that's the best I got, don't know if there even are better pics of those. I'll go ahead and post the rest because they're so awesome.

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>>46640742
I haven't played since the second book... I might have to get back into shit.

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>>46640772
Unfortunately these are just 'what if' rules PP gave people for a closed door even a few years ago, but as long as you don't play with douchebags these guys would make for some fun low stakes games.

>>46640603
>one of the biggest military powers in Western Immoren
so out off all 5 of them if you don't count the skorne. If they used your logic the hordes factions wouldn't even exist since their considered much weaker than their warmachine counterparts despite the lore giving them a large fighting chance.

> age of warmahordes
Thank God I sold my shit from this game lol

>>46640936
>If they used your logic the hordes factions wouldn't even exist since their considered much weaker than their warmachine counterparts despite the lore giving them a large fighting chance

Most of the Hordes factions exist on the fringes of the Iron Kingdoms. They aren't engaging in protracted wars of attrition. Their military engagements with the nations of the Iron Kingdoms are primarily skirmishes and border engagements, not full fledged battles or wars. Trollbloods and Circle and the like explicitly don't have the military might of a nation like Khador or Cygnar, but they also don't have the set borders or highly important infrastructure of a full fledged nation.

does anyone have some high-res desktop 1080 tier pictures? I play Khador so anything with the Motherland or Cryx, or Legion.

>>46640998
What don't you like about third edition so far?

>>46640999
And then you have the Skorne, which likely comes close to the strength of one of the iron kingdoms militarily, just without the industrial base. I don't know if a warbeast using faction could actually push into the interior of cygnar or khador and stay there considering the issues with keeping warbeasts supplied compared to keeping warjacks supplied. Warjacks can just be turned off and left idle during transport, not consuming any coal themselves.

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>>46641016
He can't use his fantasy minis :(

>>46641073
And how do you think these warjacks get transported while they're idle? Khador and Cygnar make extensive use of trains, Cryx uses inexhaustible reserves of necrotite and plotholes, and Menoth just marches (or, my own theory, they get the masses to pull the warjacks on carts). Sure, Skorne's beasts need to be fed and given water. But they'll find a lot more wildlife and even humanoids to serve as food within the Iron Kingdoms than within their own land, and it's arguably more efficient than covering those kinds of distances on coal-power.

>>46641073
Wasn't the trollblood plan to push into Cygnars interior at one point. It's also not like the legion cares about what it has to ingest

>>46641195
Are you aware that trains are far more efficient than warjacks for transport? Do you think trains are used because they look cool? Do you think that we would still have freight trains today if they were more expensive than transporting by truck for example? You can move 1 ton of cargo about 500 miles from one gallon of fuel by train. The cost of transporting a bunch of warjacks by train is almost negligible.

>>46641210
Trolls are already here. Legion too. Skorne is crossing vast distances to get here. Legion and trolls get there beasts from the iron kingdoms area already, Skorne beasts are sourced from the far, far east. They have to be captured and trained as well, which legion and trolls don't deal with.

Like, Skorne is an Iron Kingdoms style nation with Iron Kingdoms style supply lines, except it's all done with muscle power. Trolls and Legion operate very, very differently.

>>46641210

Trolls are probably the easiest warbeasts to maintain on campaign; they can literally eat anything; march an army through the Cygnaran farmland, subsist on forage, and you're doing great. Titans would be much harder; you don't keep a large mammal in feed it just dies on you, and they've got some unforgiving nutritional requirements.

Cyclops you can probably just feed people to, fortunately.

>>46641400
Do we actually know what Titan's eat? The majority of the Skorne's other beasts would have no problem with any kind meat, whether it was man or beast. That goes for the vast majority of any faction's warbeasts for that matter (barring Circle satyrs)

>>46641514
>Do we actually know what Titan's eat?
It's been confirmed that titans are herbivores, kinda like rhinos and elephants.

well war elephants were nasty to feed IRL

Took a great deal of effort and they weren't the size of a building

>>46641316
Trolls do have to train the dire trolls a bit. Mostly to stop them from eating other trolls.

Imagine providing food for a mammoth as you goad it across a desert. Providing coal seems a lot easier to me desu. Coal doesn't spoil.

>>46641717

Yeah, I maintain that there is a whole gameplay element to found in expressing the Skorne "tip of the spear" on the tabletop. You get bits of it in models (Void Spirits), fluff (Exigence) and some existing theme force designs (Hexeris's for ex). They are a civilization that honed the art of warfare into a kind of Zerg Rush that spares no expense and they just don't have the numbers and supply lines to actually do it now that they're fighting the toughest things they have ever run into. They are FINALLY getting innovative, and that by desperate necessity.

Fluffwise, everybody WANTS a Bronzeback and 40 points of Cataphracts, if they're being economical they'll bring some Praetorians and a Cyclops. And back in the empire, that's what they do. Out in the Western Reaches it'd be neat to have a way to express "We have four Cyclops, two Taberna of Venators, one of Praetorians, and that Tyrant that won't stop yelling at us. Oh, here come the toksaa again. We were running out of fresh corpses to keep the Void Spirit uninterested in us anyway."

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How does everyone feel about the possibility that these new battle boxes are molded in colored plastic? Most importantly to me, I hope that the material doesn't make it harder to paint. That besides, while it does mean no more grey-blob armies, it will make painting anything that isn't the faction's default color scheme difficult

>>46642446
>Harder to paint
You're priming your shit right? Cause the colored plastic won't fuck with it.
Source: Painting Halo: Fleet battles minis

>>46642446
I try to keep it metal whenever possible. Which reminds me I should try and grab DJ Thunderhead while I can.

>>46642446
Colored plastics shouldn't be too much of a problem when it comes to painting, as you'd have to prime the miniature either way for the paint to stick. Or at least you should at any rate.

It'll be a step up from gray blobs, but considering how everyone and their brother paints their armies completely apart from their "official" book schemes it'll be amounting to the same considering the work people put into their armies.

>>46642446
It's the same material, just colored now.

Please prime your minis, the plastic color doesn't matter.

This change is purely for new players to be able to tell the factions apart with unpainted minis.

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>>46640017
Well Magnus got a bit tired. I'm sure once he catches his breath Stryker will get on all fours again.

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>>46640520
I don't care Vinter is the coolest warmachine character and is Cygnar's rightful king. Also he is probably to op to ever be a unit or solo.

>>46642446
Don't you prime the stuff you paint?

Because as long as you prime it shouldn't matter even if they decide to color them bright neon rainbow.

>>46639792
>no Maggy3

Well, it would be pretty hard to find a relevant title higher than "warlord" anyway.

>>46642606
Uniherd confirmed for brawl

>>46642606
I do when I can, but I have absolutely horrific luck trying to get primer that doesn't suck ass. I've been bathing my DEldar on and off for the past month trying to get off the last primer I bought

>>46642874
What primer do you use

I use krylon colormaster white primer and it's always done well for me.

>>46640017
>implying casters stay mounted 100% of the time in fluff just because they have a horse.
You can't actually be this dumb.

>>46642648
Lord General Asheth Magnus has a nice ring to it. Depending on where the story goes an if he goes back to Cygnar he could very well be a General. He's been serving the true king long enough.

So I've been waiting years for the time/money/energy axis to align so I can paint my 2-player battle box and learn the game and now there are new rules coming up? Great.

>>46642950
It's not like you have to rebuy your models.

>>46642950
New rules will be free anyways, and the models will work just fine, so what's the issue?

>>46642950

had you spent precious time learning the mk2 rules it would have been wasted, you should be glad

>>46643015
>>46642983
Just mildly (and I freely admit, irrationally) annoyed that another edition of something passed me by. I am thankful that PP decided to actually put two functional armies in the box. however.

>>46642446
I'm fine with it. Coloured plastic is no different than grey plastic to work with, and means when newbies are building their boxes and wanna play intro games their shit will at least be colour coordinated so we know what's going on. As long as you prime (like you should be doing normally) the colour of the plastic won't affect the colours above it. Also, did you notice the preview site from PP has Khador painted as blue? They just seem to be getting more salty that people primarily stick to the canon schemes after all these years of them pushing for conversions and variant colours.

Haha the latest Battle Driven podcast had so much salt in the beginning.

Angry nerds make me so happy. The ones the most pissed are the ones that place so much value into learning and playing "da best" and hating having "plebian" wargame.

Keep on crying Riker. Keep on crying.

I'm worried too, but I I'm not full of myself. I'm not the best at this game, but adding premeasuring is not "buffing retards". Plus I'm pretty sure that illegal in most states.

Whats actually changing? My 'nets being slow as heck and won't load much

>>46643710
Confirmed stuff is
-premeasuring in
-point system doubling to allow for better tuning
-warjack points on casters increasing
-warjacks get focus passively from caster
-colossals getting more expensive, but better. described currently as 'we were too conservative'
-2 year timeskip with new storyline starting and current one wrapping up in novels
-storyline coming faster and more but via novels instead of rulebooks
-everything being rebalanced

The new battleboxes are confirmed as 0-point armies. So all the jacks fit within the warjack points of the caster, and this is how many jacks they expect people to bring minimum.

>>46643710
Quite a bit.

What they've said so far:

>Rebalances for everything
>Point costs doubling, 100 points is the new 50
>Warnouns getting 28-30 points for warjack/warbeasts
>All warjacks that start in CTRL get a focus for free
>Warlocks can gain limited Fury from dead beasts
>Colossals/Gargs are getting bigger and stronger. Conquest was started to be 4x the cost of a Juggernaught, but be as strong as four of them
>Premeasuring is becoming official, no more CTRL area junk for measurements.
>Command is "basically" gone, no more fear/terror
>Every Warnoun getting a unique spell/ability in addition to feat. Likely guess is that Warnouns with unique mechanics already go unchanged(Cassius, Witch Coven, pKromac, etc), Warnouns with nothing really unique getting something

And that's about what we know thus far.

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I think this is the fourth edition change I've had to deal with in like, three years:
6th ed 40k
7th ed 40k
Raeg of sigmar

Plus I just started this game a year ago.

Im kind of salty that the fluff has been removed from the books too, I really doubt I'll get to read about the continued adventures of gaspy and denny and all their hand holding now!

>>46644285
>Im kind of salty that the fluff has been removed from the books too, I really doubt I'll get to read about the continued adventures of gaspy and denny and all their hand holding now!

This is probably going to be better for the continuing narrative, if not for your wallet. The way stories were structured in the expansion books were fucking awful, and the last couple of books were absolutely terrible in quality.

>>46644285
The fluff is all being transitioned to their novels and novellas. Whilst the first announcement is for "Flashpoint" as a trilogy exploring what has occured in the last 2 years from the perspective of all the new battlebox casters, they tend to do a lot of smaller, specialised side content in addition to any major releases.

>>46642947
>He's been serving the true king long enough

its times like this that I wish I had a cryx happy merchant reaction image.

>>46642947
You know Magnus would murder Vinter if he got the chance, right?

>>46641073
Anon, according to the RPG, the military forces of the Skorne empire dwarf all of the Iron Kingdoms COMBINED.

>>46644669
Skorne was originally planned to be a warmachine faction, but they weren't sure how to do Warbeasts in the base game.

It's generally assumed why Hordes came about.

>>46643146
There's also a Cygnar army with a Kodiak.

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What book is this dude in?/anyone got his card or whatnot?

>>46644783
Whichever book came out in 2014 probably.

>>46644329
>>46644335
Listen, the novella Cryx got featured Venethrax trying to beat up an anthill (literally). Plus i seem to mainline NPC factions so I'm prepared to never get anything good again (waah)

>>46644783
Not in a book, only NQ.

>>46644870
Why they let Richard Knaak write that book I'll never know. After the turds he took on Dragonlance then Warcraft, I'm thankful he at least didn't introduce his patented dragon-shapeshifted-into-teen-elf-body characters to romance Venethrax.

>>46644568
Damn straight he would. He's practically raised Julius at this point too. And until Blood of Kings comes out we don't know what ends up happening. Magnus might tag team Vinter with Stryker and put Julius on the throne, becoming like his royal adviser or some shit..

>>46643146

>They just seem to be getting more salty that people primarily stick to the canon schemes after all these years of them pushing for conversions and variant colours.

Assuming they don't already, showing off alternate color schemes that have a purpose would probably help, similar to how GW ties different color schemes to different takes on one army.

>>46644285

I didn't like the idea at first either, but as other people have said it'll probably be better since story will no longer have to wait until the rules are ready.

>>46644699

I think it was more than just that going by the NQ article on the 10th anniversary of Hordes, but the Skorne probably played a big role.

>>46645053
They've been doing alternate schemes since Mk1, they had an expansion book where each faction section had 4-5 variants with a half to whole page of fluff for 'this army within the faction'. It's where the khador drab-green 5th border legion came from. They show off alternates in NQ nearly every issue and have done so for as long as I've been collecting them.

It's no wonder they get salty that people still ask if they're allowed to paint their cygnar yellow, or if they see a guy make fun of someones khador for not being patriotic red.

>>46645075

>they had an expansion book where each faction section had 4-5 variants with a half to whole page of fluff for 'this army within the faction'. It's where the khador drab-green 5th border legion came from.

This is along the lines of what I was talking about.

For someone like me, and I'm sure there are others out there, saying that a color scheme actually has a purpose within the lore because it belongs to this specific group and here is what they're about and what they've done really helps.

>>46645138
Some of the recent NQs have had little fluff blurbs and paint schemes for the various factions.

I know Skorne had one, talking about the various houses, where they live, and their general tactics.

>>46645385

Hordes honestly seems like it would be perfect for this type of stuff since there is seemingly really no reason for most of them to have a single color scheme. Cryx seems like another army that could have multiple different schemes since arguably you could have one for each of the Lich Lords.

>>46640848
Lol, holy shit, Lord Ghyrrshyld's feat = free Chimera = arcantrix bolt / mage blight / polarity shield or hex blast from a totally new angle, omg, and u can bring ANY LIGHT JACK!? So depending on the situation u can chuck in a griffon with fail safe to charge your threat vector... omg, I must try this caster.

>>46640848
>>46645632
OR AN ASPIS FOR A FREE INSTA SHIELD GUARD!! WHAT IS THIS FEAT!

>>46640341
>I could see Karchev's "escape" being a Cryxian plot and him being a Cryxian sleeper agent.

I will be so pissed if they do this. A warjack chaster with trick move is so cool for khador.
I have a thing for him. Not sur why, maybe à childhood memory of playing with little red truck.

>>46640341
>Karchev switching to Cryx

Highly doubt it.

Karchev has stayed alive a few times past where he should have died just due to love of his motherland and raw hatred/anger.

>>46642446
Is it really a colored plactic? For me those models looks like 3d renders, not actual miniatures.

>>46646158
Yes, they're confirmed to be colored plastic.

>>46641400

Warp wolves are even easier. They're just people most of the time

And wolds don't eat anything

>>46640082
Can he please get off it forever then

>>46646801
Hold your horses. Stryker3 might actually be good 2 months from now.

Thinking of trying out the game, how does Everblight play?
If they don't work, Oroboros?

>>46647213
Legion like warbeasts, hitting first and ignoring the rules.
Circles like movement shenanigans, being invisible and hit and runs.

>>46647213
Everblight is a lot about seeing other people special rules and saying no

They are the main beast faction, so if you like the look of mutated dragon monsters youre in luck, though they can play infantry its not their main appeal or battleplan

Circle is a hard to learn faction with a high skill cap, they have a lot of hit and run tactics and denial
Both are very glass cannony, though circle is more so

I would suggest heading over to battlecollage and giving a read of the faction pages, they have a good description of them there

>>46647213
Both other replies are correct, but in June a new edition is coming out with new rules and balancing. These descriptions will probably still be approximately accurate, but details may change!

>>46647752

Yeah I wouldn't expect either legion or circle to stop being two parts of the alpha strike trinity (the other being Cryx), but eyeless sight may get a work over so Legion doesn't ignore 3/4ths of normal rules

>>46648072
Which I would be okay with,since it seems that the game is gonna get a bit toned down on the lethality front.

Im hype.

>>46640519
Well that dev was DC and he quit a few months ago so he technically wasn't wrong.

>>46640657
Yeah, the devs did mention that there would be a change in Cyngar's leadership. It would be interesting if Magnus was successful and is manipulating the heir, who is now on the throne.

>>46648230
One thing is certain.

Vinter is coming.

>>46644669

They're just on the wrong side of a continental divide, with something of a technological disadvantage.

>>46647213

Be aware that unless they rebalance quite alot, Everblight beasts will get smashed hard in a stand up fight- if they can't alpha strike sufficiently to knock out all the other guys anti-armor stuff, they will get severely fucked like, immediately.

At least that has been my experience playing against them as Menoth- shut down the assassination runs and force them into a brawl and they crumble.

>>46648403
Ha.

And I look forward to Cygnar becoming a strong nation again. Leto was a good man, but good men don't always make good leaders.

>>46648689
>Leto was a good man
Is he going to die at the hands of Rasheth?

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>>46645640
All those casters are on the wrong side of broken, so I can imagine that it was a hella fun event, even without all the new stuff that's come out since.

>>46648230
The more I think about it, the more I think Julius is gonna end up on the throne, but I'm having a hard time imagining Magnus' role in things if he does.

Julius would probably pardon him or something, but Stryker and a lot of others would probably have something to say to that, boy scout or not. They'd know what kind of influence he'd have on Julius and wouldn't let that happen. And even if that does happen, would Magnus rejoin the Cygnar military? That doesn't seem super likely either, though it would be awesome, and of course if Caine jumps factions that mean there's no reason he couldn't either. And what would he do with the army of mercenaries and all the infrastructure he'd been building the last decade? Assuming they're not directly responsible for Leto's death he could keep it around to fight the enemies of Cygnar, but that feels unlikely too, and they'd probably just hand wave or forget about it all soon. Magnus could purposely stay an outlwaw as a way of covertly influening Julius too though I guess...

>>46648590
It's worth noting that the Skorne empire is a unified one about the size of all of western Immoren. Desert or no, it's only natural there'd be more of them than any one other nation.

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>>46648689
Leto was a weak man and a traitor of his blood-brother.

>>46648725
No idea, but the devs have said that Cygnar has gone through a leadership change, will supposedly be more aggressive, and supposedly Caine and/or Stryker are going Merc, which sounds to me that either Magnus, the conspiracy, Vinter, or all of the above were successful in dethroning him.

>>46648725
No because that would be too on the nose

>>46649006
On that note, who is the Piter analog here? I always imagined him to be Morghoul.

>>46648959
Caine is probably going Merc, and Magnus probably succeeded at putting Julian on the throne finally, as indicated by Magnus and Stryker posing dramatically with the new Cygnar caster's face in the foreground.
>>46639792

That or Vinter has taken over, and Styker and the new chick are part of some still-Cygnar-but-not resistance along with Magnus.

>>46648918

>INB4 Leto gets ousted and doesn't die
>Has to go to Madrak begging for asylum
>Madrak agrees despite his reservations
>Cygnar army shows up and there is a long term stalemate between Cygnar and Trollbloods over Leto
>Trollbloods hand him over in exchange for actual land and status as a full independant nation
>Madrak feels like shit about this and steps down as leader, ashamed at his betrayal of his blood-brother

>Power vacuum in Trolls

>>46649696
>Power vacuum in Trolls
Not likely, Doomshaper would assume direct control in a heartbeat. Who's gonna argue with him, Mulg, and his pack of Glacier Kings?

>>46648741

Magnus becomes the secret agent/inquisitor that Caine is now and keeps his private army as the personal henchmen to handle problems for the throne without using the Cygnar military

>>46650084
...I'm okay with this

>>46650138

His third incarnation also becomes a Cygnar ally but stays mercenary. His prior forms keep their theme lists that have Cygnar units

>>46650186
>>46650138


And either drops a bridge on Vinter or blows a bridge out from under Vinter. I'll take either.

>>46650084

You know what if we're wish listing, I want 3magnus to just straight up have an obliterator rocket hidden in his arm

>>46649053

>Piter, a sadistic patsy that gets too big for his britches

Rasheth and Hexeris get along pretty well, dabbling in the dark arts as they do, and I'm fairly certain that Hexeris' house invented the mortitheurgy necessary for Agonizers.

So.... Hexy?

>>46649696
Ugh, no more emodrak plz.

He owes best girl grissel that much.

>>46640022

I wonder if Orin's lungs will have finally given out. Ought to have.

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PAGE 5 IS DEAD!

LONG LIVE PAGE 5!!!

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248934-Page-5-is-dead

>>46650639
Probably wise of them, it's a pretty outdated phrase to have on corporate stuff. Players will say it, and it'll still be fine, but it's not quote-unquote officially endorsed anymore.

Of course, expect people here to say "fmensinsm is ruining my culture" as though a single line of text really amounted to a culture in a game.

What does "play like you got a pair" means?

>>46650670
Don't be a sissy. Play fair but play to win.

>>46650670
Don't complain, don't be a dick, be a good sport and have fun.

All things your average Warmahordes player is incapable of doing

>>46650692
>>46650670

oi vey! dat's sexual discrimination .. think about the strong woymen and trans!

>>46650639
>Thread full of SJWs saying it was sexist anyway

>>46650639
I never had a problem with page 5, the game and the setting are inclusive. I always thought it was just silly and kind of gay. Quoting page five is also a fun way to tilt your opponent

>>46650969
It kind of was

>>46649757

Grissel would oppose him in a second.

Basically it would be Grissel assuming command to try and block Doomshaper and Doomy trying to take control.

>>46650692
Oh i see.
>>46650712
I pretty much doubt it.
>>46650799
My name is Issac Konnenhower, leave those things for goyims, rebe.

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>>46640545
>Jezraell
>Duo (Deneghra)

>>46651051
Not the players or the developers fault you're testicularly challenged.

>>46650656
>Probably wise of them, it's a pretty outdated phrase to have on corporate stuff. Players will say it, and it'll still be fine, but it's not quote-unquote officially endorsed anymore.

This happens with pretty much every institution that is around long enough.

When you're a young start up, it's literally thrive or die. You'll say/do anything to get attention, take risks because to not do so would mean certain death, and can do stuff without having to worry about a "brand to protect". You have no brand worth protecting yet.

But after you've become established, you actually have a brand worth protecting. You have inertia going and don't want to fuck that up with undue risk. You're less interested in getting any and everyone's attention and seeing what sticks and more interested in retaining existing customers and people that you already know fairly well.

You become more averse to risk and don't want to offend people.

Then some new young Turks show up with their "paradigm shifts" and the whole process starts all over again.

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I told you fuckers CoC wouldn't get the Power Up ability

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248938-4-13-Insider-and-Warjack-Equivalents&p=3466626&viewfull=1#post3466626

>>46651351
>No power up
>DAMNIT PP!
>read the post

Actually, that's... kind of acceptable. Now you can pass 3 focus around on ALL of your vectors.

>>46651384

Go Vector-heavy or go home, though.

Dear Privateer Press

Us Mercs and pirates and such are feeling a bit in the cold. Please new models/stuff? I personally would love a new Shae that was only usable with a very limited number of models.

>>46651479
Mercs are rumored to get a Caine, which I think is pretty sweet.

>>46651351

>induction isn't 1 per Jack anymore

Holy

Fucking

Shit

A fucking corollary can power the entire god damn army all by itself now.

>>46651442
How Convergence is supposed to be, anyway.

Syntherion up in this equation.

>>46651595
Except that all the rules are changing. The Corollary is going to be totally different

>>46651534
I guess that's not too bad. I just wish Shae wasn't pretty much put in as a flavor caster/reason for a charter and then forgotten. It's like all the other semi-important pirates got freaking updates at one point or another.

>>46651651

If it keeps any of its previous ability to hold focus between turns (which I will eat my non existent hat if it doesn't) it will be able to give three focus and have that chain around the entire battlegroup until it boomerangs back. It's going to be great

I was going through my old shit and found two boxes of High Shields with UA. I do own Gorten, Durgen, and some Rhulic jacks, as well as two full units of forgeguard and Ashlynn.

Anyway. What was I thinking? Is there anything doable with High Shields?

>>46651811

Not currently but who knows, they might not be shit in the future

>>46651811
How to use high shields:

Set them on a shelf, wait for mk 3

Currently no reason to use them over forge guard

>>46651811
Sell them to foolish Dorf players

I wonder how they will change the rules to acomodate premeasuring. As it stands things like gunmages can be completely immunte to reprisal against slower units

>>46651940
Charge is now SPD+2d6

>>46651858
>>46651825
>>46651818
That's kind of what I figured. I wasn't sure if I was thinking Ossrum would help them or something. I haven't even touched Mercs since before he came out.

>>46651993
>Charge is now SPD+2d6
kek

>>46651993
Eeeeeew that would be the worst

>>46651351
>Monstrosities gain focus from taking damage from attacks or continuous effects.
>Retain focus and don't lose it from maintenance phase
That actually makes me even more tempted to pick up Cephalyx now. Makes every monstrosity act sort of like the Hydra Myrmidon. Sort of would be tempted to jab them with Cont corrosion turn 1 and let the self-generate focus.

>>46651940
They already were

>>46651940
Premeasuring was already in the game

>>46652075
Given that charge was a flat three inches before, no it wouldn't.

>>46651351
Lol, but thats awesome news. Yes, Convergence would have to be within 6 inches of each other, but who cares if it is 3 points for ALL vectors?

>>46652369

Just think how many attacks Syntherion with nothing but light jacks could pump out with only 3 fucking focus and synergy

>>46652369
Convergence gun lines are going to be stupid good.

>>46651993
>random amount of inches you might be able to move
I mean I know you're fishing for replies even though 20" charges would be hilarious, but:

I never saw why this sort of rule was ever considered an okay rule for any game. Like warhammer editions that had assaults as dice rolls. It's the absolutely most retarded thing. I'm already rolling dice to see if I hit and then rolling dice to see if I wound, and they they would roll for armor saves, why should I have to roll dice to see if I can even get in range to attack? All that a rule like this will do is make people pussy foot around until they are sure they can complete the charge with 80% confidence instead of having a number that they can rely on. +3 inches for a charge is way better than a d6.

>>46652391
There's a good chance that synergy will end up being something like Bradigus or Amon only spell now.

Syntherion probably gets something like full throttle at this point.

>>46650639
New page 5
>Is racist to win vs women
>Play like you're a castrated faggot

get ready for similar SJW socialist drivel.
>inb4 butthurt tumblerinas

>>46652434
>>46652075
It's a joke about warhammer fantasy battles - when they moved to ...9e I think it was they allowed premeasuring but charges became random.

>>46651351
"S where S=Syntherion.
A where A=Your ass being kicked
I where I=Induction
S+I*3=A"

Syntherion on this new edition.

>>46652472
That's how I feel as well. He needs some sort of battle group wide spell though, the concept fits him more than anyone else.

God, I want mother to have letos ranged synergy spell

>>46652525
Mother benefits from it just as much, if not more. especially if the conflux has a decent pow gun

>>46652499
From 7th to 8th actually. 9e is unofficial thing, fan-made alternative to Age of Sigmar.
But the change honestly kind of made sense there. It wouldn't in WarmaHordes.

No skill check for repair anymore

>>46652806
I fucking hope so.

I've never seriously seen anyone quoting page 5. It made no sense to make a big deal out of it during Mk2 and cut it but it also doesn't make any sense to make a big deal out of it and demand they keep it.

Who gives a shit. Let them change the phrasing if they want. We got bigger fish to fry.

So, since all jacks are getting, basically, Soul Drive for free, are their costs (relative to other stuff) going to go up as well?

>>46652872
>It is. We got rid of the skill check, so Repair is just a die roll to see how much damage you remove.

>>46651662
I can understand that. If he's been ignored this long, I could see them updating for at least that reason alone. It sounds like everything's getting a shape-up, so hopefully he gets something.

I myself am happy over the rumor of Caine going Merc, at least for fluff reasons, since he would be joining one of my other favorites, Ashlynn, over there.

>>46652924
No evidence in either direction. We may see warbeast costs reduced instead. So many changes to find out about.

>>46652872
Soles was answering some questions.
>>46652955
Is quoting him. So yes it's official. No more skill check on repairs.

Also, hints of an insider for mercenaries and jack marshals getting love.

>>46652924
IIRC, the change with 'jack points is that warcasters now have more base points to spend on them.

>>46652924
People asking these kinds of questions are completely misunderstanding how much is being changed.

Point scale is approximately doubled. Then 75 is the new standard point size for regulation play, but warnouns have bigger battlegroup sizes, approximately 28-35. So game size will be about the same, but with larger battlegroups required. And every model in the game is getting reworked rebalanced and recosted.

I assume you're asking if the effective point value of jacks (% of army points) is going up. Maybe, but that information is basically meaningless without also knowing strength and effectiveness of, well, every single model in the game.

75 points is the new 50 points for those curious

>>46653050
That's amazing for Khador, then. I get frustrated by my skill 7 mechaniks. Even when doubling up they fail when I really need them.

>>46653176
>>46653133
When did standard game size move from 35 to 50? When gargossals started coming out?

>>46651479
>>46651662
>>46653044
Pirate balance is a bit more of a story then that. Sadly.

Shae and the Commodore Cannon are both individually amazing. Like seriously go look at rules for both.

The issue with Talion Charter is you are forced to only get pirate infantry which means doing the pirate synergy combination.

A Sea Dog Boarding Crew member with all buffs is Def 13/Arm 12 with 4+ tough, immune to knockdown. They are MaT 7 with +3d6 on attack rolls. Their charge is a P+S 10 +4d6 (against warrior models +3d6 not against warriors) with a pow 12 +2d6 second attack (point blank shot).

Trick is that for all of that they need to be within command range of 3 solos and to have recieved a buff from Rockbottom AND Rhupert (rhupert is not in talion. They changed paymaster awhile ago so you can't give tough and boosted attacks at the same time).

This is fairly similiar to what it was like in MK1 but with some important differences. The solos had more abilities and often only needed one member of the unit in range to provide buffs to the entire unit. Doc Killingsworth had a really cool ability. Further instead of +1dice vs warrior models they had straight up strength boost.

So in MK1 Pirate infantry could punch into jacks hard. This was relatively balanced with just pirates as they lacked a lot of diversity and only hit so hard. However, it got freaking stupid when they where run with Butcher because the additional damage die from his feat would make them murder god damn everything in the game.

In the switch to MK2 they became what I already stated and this meant a huge reduction in what they could hurt. Dealing with armored targets is a huge PITA for pure pirates in MK2 and colossal meta hasn't done any favors. The 4+ tough also feels bad for both the opponent and pirate player as it randomly streaks one way or another.

>>46653209
Standard competitive games have ways been 50 points in Mk2. So... 2010/11?

35 has always been casual

So I got starter box like 2 weeks ago, played couple games (lost most of them to caster kill).
What does the new edition mean? Besides new rules will the models get new cards? Or that stays the same? I can probably easily forget what I learned so far, so no biggie, just a little confus.
Also the new starters is all plastic? The one I got was metal and it's a bit of a pain to assemble (or maybe it's just my perfectionism for everything to fit right)

>>46653369
Edition change means they are willing to change basic rules. We already know quite a few changes with massive ramifications. Yes this means all models are getting new cards.

My advice if you are new is to not worry about it too much. Enjoy playing some low point games while you wait. The new battleboxes they announced are very cheap $ wise so get one of those and learn MK3 when it comes out.

>>46653369
Pretty much all the starter sets now are all plastic (for better and worse)

You probably just got an old printing. Which one did you get?

>>46653413
The small one, Battlegroup. For Legion.
It was on sale for cheap so probably old stock.

>More and more new models announced and released
>More and more books
>New edition

>Going on two years and still no inflictor

It's a myth at this point. I wonder if they just forgot about it.

>>46653133
>People asking these kinds of questions are completely misunderstanding how much is being changed.

So, then, how much is being changed? We know Soul Drive for everyone, and beasts generate 1 Fury when dead, and battlegroup points increasing dramatically. We know that theme lists are getting a thorough workover. We know gargossols are getting buffed and increased in point cost. Beyond that, all of the changes discussed have been in relation to the existing system, which seems to be indicative that not *that* much is changing (of course, all cards are being reprinted, so one has to assume that various clearly-out-of-balance models will get some change).

But on the whole, the way the devs have talked about the changes to the game, it's as though there are a few highlights here and there, but nothing major is going to change. Yes -- everything has the potential to change, but so far it's being described as a handful of core changes, with little discussion of what the new decks are going to look like.

So I think it's fair to wonder if, for instance, a Reckoner will still cost the same as a Titan Gladiator in Mk3.

>>46653480
What did the cards look like? If it's old enough it might even be a Mk1 box.

>>46653546
>So, then, how much is being changed?

Literally everything. Take any preconceived notions you may have toss them out the window

>>46653480

you're going to have to pick up the new faction card deck which sucks for you because that'll be probably half what you paid for that box but everything you got will still be playable and it'll cover you for anything else you pick up that was released before the new rules come out

>>46653594

The game no longer uses dice. Instead, static values are used as a simplification.

>>46653546
We are literally day 3 after announcement of the edition. What we have is crumps. They way they are talking there is a ton more to reveal.

For example we know that every Caster is getting a unique spell or special ability. There are many casters that do not have a totally unique spell or ability. That's a huge set of changes right there.

It's certainly fair to wonder and speculate. Just be careful not to take it too far. It's way too early to break out the torches or the best winner ribbons.

We are some time before we even see individual models previewed in their MK3 stat block. Something I'm expecting to occur in a NQ. Until then I expect insider to focus more on general reveals that affect everyone's factions.

>>46653550
The regulars were okay with me using them, so they are probably not that old. Also I have checked cards of the other Legion player and the format looked the same.

>>46650639

I can only imagine the massive sjw circlejerk occurring on sjw shithole sites like something awful right now

>>46653752
>The regulars were okay with me using them, so they are probably not that old.
They were probably just nostalgic for MK1.

>>46652391
Exactly my point. That will strenghten them.
>>46652394
Well keep in mind they will have to survive the returning fire and charge.

>>46648725
>>46649006

>>46648959

Well, I'm mad I didn't catch that reference earlier.

>>46651351
>>46651384
>>46652202
Oh, my. I was a little apprehensive about Mk. III at first, but the more I hear the more I like.

>>46639792
Right, thinking of starting a army since new editions. Was thinking CoC because robots but everyone's saying that's a bad idea. Leaning towards Skorne/Legion/Protectorate in that order. Any advice on which to start with?

>>46654668
Advice for MK2 or MK3?

MK3 advice is easy. Wait for it to release and get one of those cheap battleboxes in a faction you like and enjoy some low point games for a couple weeks while everyone digests the changes.

For MK2 CoC actually does work so idk why people are saying thats a bad idea. If it's what you like aesthetically go for it. Just be aware that it is a very complex faction.

If you need something simple to just play to learn the game. Then Skorne or Protectorate. Both have some similarities in playstyle so you can decide based on wanting to play with Focus or play with Fury.

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In Magnus we trust.

The rise of the Cygnaran Empire has come!

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Finished!

>>46654711
Thanks, I think I'll wait for MK3's release and pick up the cheaper box out of Skorne/Prot.; build/paint it up and do the other the month afterwards.

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>>46655046
First, pic related.
From what's in focus, skin looks fabulous, gemstones/lanterns look horrid, armour is passable & head is decent. Try posting to /wip/ if you want more/better advice.

>>46655046
Looks good!

>>46655177
They'd just shit all over me. Honestly I should've done the gems in purple since it covers very poorly, letting it remain black with purple hints to it. Much better than solid green. Might just re-do them. The lanterns looked better with the wash still over the yellow, so I'll definitely do that.

>>46655213
chances are since it's not 40k you'd just get ignored anyway

CoC twats can finally stop bitching now right?
https://twitter.com/EdBourelle/status/720377474144608256

>>46655323
Huh, I thought they said from the start that CoC wasn't ever going to get updates.

>>46655407
No, they said tat CoC wouldn't get *regular* releases like the "main" factions get in each book.

>>46655555
Could that change for mk3?

>>46655600
Who fucking knows?

>>46655555
Oh, okay. I only ever heard second-hand.

>>46653815
PP didn't stop manufacturing metal battlegroups immediately so there exist old boxes with new cards.

>>46655618
>>46655600
>>46655555
The guy who created the faction, who's name I can't remember right now, came on the Convergence Facebook and said that he can't say when or what, but there's more to the faction that just the Conflux coming.

So we *have* releases, we just have no idea when they're coming.

>>46655600
No. Convergence is not going to be part of the regular release schedule. They planned Mk III before Convergence was released so if they were going to change they wouldn't have bothered saying it.

They never said Convergence wouldn't ever get releases, they just don't get X models per expansion book guaranteed like everyone else.

>>46650639

Somewhat glad, that stuff was cringey.

So just happened to come across a guy selling his Vyros2 army for like 25% off retail, you guys think its still worth it for me to get that with MKIII coming in a few months?

>>46658381
There is a change coming to it.

>>46655655

To be fair, like A LOT of stuff I'm sure, they may have been intentionally waiting for MK3 to start releasing major new stuff.

It partially explains the slowdown in production. Hopefully once MK3 is out things might pick up again as they could shift resources.

Who knows though.

>>46658725
No even with MK3 the game was getting 2big2tuned. Remember that the scale of what we play doesn't leave many options for miniatures actually being used.

As much as I would love for the game to downsize to a happy medium of 35/50, it makes it really hard to balance such a smaller level of models and still have a decent amount of models to sell.

>>46658440
aside from the free focus if cortex is live and within control what other change is expected? from how i see it that should make vyros2 OP unless they actually change synergy?

>>46659467
I never said the change the change would make him OP.

>>46659467

The jump from Mk1 to Mk2 changed nearly all spells on all casters and completely changed how they played, with usually a similar theme. It might not be the same for Mk3 but I fully expect to have to relearn every single caster.

>>46659467
Nothing mechanically is safe from changes, they might radically change synergy, they might remove it all together, or maybe it stays the same but changes to a bunch of other rules make it function way differently, we don't know.

Going by the Mk1 - Mk2 transition it's entirely possible for any given caster to end up with an entirely different spell card.

>>46659977
Did it? I know I looked over my Khador casters mk I stats, and other than nerfing a few spells most of it came across untouched.

>>46660056

Sometimes it was more subtle but Vlad changed pretty hard among others

>>46659594
no i didn't mean you implied he'd be OP. I was thinking with the new announced change to the focus mechanic he might be worth taking because it would be OP.
>>46659977
I haven't played with a Vyros2 list actually was preparing for the future. I only started last year so never really got to try him out, I'm getting this particular package because of a doom and gloom player.
>>46660022
I see, so theres a likely event that Vyros2 synergy lists might get scrapped all together for MK3?

Would it still be worth it for me to get him then seeing as his whole identity might change?

"Lord General Coleman Stryker is one of the greatest heroes of the Iron Kingdoms. Chosen by his king to liberate the conquered lands of Llael from Cygnar’s long-standing foe, the Khadoran Empire, Stryker finds himself forced to work with one of his most bitter enemies- the exiled mercenary Asheth Magnus, a man to whom Cygnar’s king owes his life. To claim victory for his king, Stryker will have to find a way to put his faith in a man he can’t trust."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warmachine/comments/4ep54p/spoiler_from_acts_of_war_volume_1_flash_point/

>>46660924
The synergy lists won't be scrapped. But they will changed.

>>46660966
Julian confirmed for king, Magnus confirmed for Cygnar Ally.

Yessssssss.

Anyone have the IKRPG books on pdf?

>>46661070
Have you checked the OP?

Looks like the Juggernaut is 12 points and Conquest is 37 in Mk3.

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>>46660966
>>46661044
MAKE CYGNAR GREAT AGAIN!

>>46661044

Into it. 100%

Magnus is best dad.

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>>46661123

>>46661157

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248991-Keeping-it-Honest

>>46661044
Vinter is king.

>>46661123

I am really, really hoping the new edition makes 'take a colossal' much more of an option than it is right now. It's kinda mandatory for the moment which really nerfs abilities that colossals just flat ignore (Knock down and forced movement)

>>46661200

Where has that been said? I'd be amazed if Magnus would willingly work with Cygnar in that case after what Vinter did to him.

>>46661202
I'm hoping they stop ignoring so many of them

>>46661200
>>46661226
Yea, I'd bet money it's Julius if that reddit spoiler is true

>>46661202
>It's kinda mandatory for the moment

For Mercs or Cygnar, maybe.

37 point conquest almost fits within the top end of the WJ points that's been mentioned.

>>46661200

Well, if Vinter is king, Magnus would not be a Cynar ally.

Magnus was specifically working against Vinter after Vinter fucked him over.

It would be really weird for Magnus to, all of a sudden, be okay with Vinter and be an ally.

The book cover seems like a red herring honestly.

The new khador box is a juggernaut + a decimator. So if we assume the caster shown as 28-30 points which people are throwing around as an average, that'd peg a decimator at 16-18 points.

>>46661200
Like half of Magnus' character is "FUCK VINTER REEEEEEEEEE" since he got betrayed, if Vinter was king Magnus would double down on murdering Cygnar, not work with them.

Stryker probably wouldn't work for Vinter either, in fact Vinter would probably try to execute him if he got back into power.

>>46660966

So, what are the odds that the assassination attempt on Leto ends up being successful but before Vinter is able to capitalize on it, Magnus and Julian, with their mercenary army, show up in Corvus and take the city, crowning Juilian the new king in a rare double backstab?

Also, the under/over on Leto survivng somehow and escaping like Vinter or Vinter actually dieing?

>>46661200
Why would Stryker work for a man he helped to overthrow?

Why would Magnus work for a man who betrayed him?

The new king has to be Julius.