Shitbrew edition
>How'd you do over the weekend?
>Any new brews at your store?
>What are you looking to see in the coming weeks?
>memedard
Whitewashed Standard
Arlinn is meme
>>46610219
Oh stop that
>How'd you do
FNM is draft and I had one of the worst pools I ever drafted in my life and lost every single game because of it.My RG Memedrazi deck smashed some people between rounds tho.
>Any new brews
Nothing special, really, just WG Humies, RB Vamps and some Zombie guys.
>What is coming
More of the same, but less Eldrazi. Hoping Arlinn gets another rise, still trying to get rid of mine.
>>46610172
>How'd you do over the weekend?
Drafted UR Madness, went 2-2
>Any new brews at your store?
Some guy had a newSedris EDHdeck but otherwise nothing new
>What are you looking to see in the coming weeks?
Well, I'm making a terribad mono-white Soldiers/Equipment deck so we'll see how that goes
>>46610356
>mono-white Soldiers/Equipment
I tried that, too, and failed miserably.
Having no equipment to give hexproof or indestructible really sucks with this many relatively cheap removal instants, a lot of which are also non-destruction removal.
>>46610410
You have Nahiri's Machinations though, even without the activated ability it grants indestructible to something
>>46610422
Which is nice and all, yes, but it sadly only covers the second half of your own turn and leaves your opponent one and a half turns to react to it between each trigger. If it'd at least trigger each combat, like Odric, it'd be kind of decent, if only for buying time by blocking.
Why is this fucker rising like crazy? Is it that good?
>>46610790
It's an engine card that grows bigger. Clues turned out to be much better than anyone expected.
>>46610790
Fuck, I pulled one, and just bought one two days ago when it was like a $1-2. How can I round out a playset now?
>>46610172
Thing in the Ice + Bearer of Silence
It's just rogue enough it might be fun
I want to get back into Standard, what decks are not shit and also don't require me to rob Fort Knox to build?
>>46610790
what are you talking about m8? he's still only €2
:^)
Waiting on my cards to come in. Rebuilding UR Prowess, slowing it down some to make it have a stronger mid and late game.
G/R midrange in fnm with Arlin. That card has been very underwhelming.
Played in a PPTQ and every single deck in the top 8 was a Avacyn deck.
>>46610172
>How'd you do over the weekend?
Didn't play
>Any new brews at you store?
I have a good group, myself I'm working on a shitty RG werewolf deck, probably trade in my thing in the ice playsets for what I'm missing and some cards for my modern decks
>What are you looking to see in the coming weeks?
Everyone playing the same netdecked shit because nobody can make their own decks
>>46610808
I don't get why people thought that clues were shit in the first place.
>>46611124
I bought them for € 0,50 each myself yesterday but even in Europe it's going up.
>>46611250
Similar to scry in Theros block, lots of cards that should be cantrips instead had 'investigate' tacked on. Most clue related instants/sorceries are awful, it's only the creatures that use them that are decent.
>>46611326
Scry had been around for a while though
>>46611326
Expose Evil is okay?
Think Daring Sleuth could make it into UR Prowess? Press for Answers could be a decent for the deck.
>>46611250
>stupid names: clue and investigate
>boring artifact tokens that have an ability which seems pitiful at first glance
>>46611250
They are shit in constructed. However in sealed they're fantastic, as werewolf beatdown is king, and werewolves love clues.
>>46611888
>ability which seems pitiful at first glance
Anon, it's the magic words, the best ability in every card game in existence: "draw a card"
>>46610790
Fits in with landfall decks.
r8 h8 my trashbrew
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-messiah/
>>46612565
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-messiah/
Needs more Wasteland Strangler
Ashiok diddit
Let me know what you guys think http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mungo-flickery/
>>46611634
You misunderstand me.
In Theros block a lot of scry effects weren't really in keeping with 'flavor' and were just added as a small upside to otherwise normal cards, generally as 'scry 1'. Sometimes you would get cards that actually made the scry matter (Riddle of Lightning and the blue equivalent are really well designed IMO) but more often than not you'd get shit like Voyage's End, Bolt of Keranos, Battlewise Valor, or Glimpse the Sun God.
Most Darksteel scry effects were more appreciable scry numbers and the effects generally had a larger impact on the card overall (scry 1 is almost always inferior to 'draw a card', whereas one can argue that scry 2 is better than 'draw a card').
>>46611836
It's great for limited but probably unplayable in constructed.
>>46610172
Built a white/red ally deck that I'm not sure I wanna stick with. Thinking about building an artifact deck built around Nahiri.
I want to build a RWU Hedron alignment deck that uses Nahirir since she alone can get the card into your hand, graveyard, AND exile. The hardest zone to get the card into now is exile which is why I wanted to use her in the first place. What else could I put in? I know the deck idea is bad, but building this kind of bullshit amuses me.
>>46610468
Aegis angel is a pretty common rare you can throw in to add one indestructible. Though of course if the angel gets removed then yer a bit fucked.
Also, just to make sure this was ruled right last night, infinite reflection clones do NOT gain any counters/enchantments/artifact/creature granted (aegis angel + whatever i wanted to make a copy of) that the creature i am making clones of has already received, correct?
I wanted to copy my already indestructible guy but ended up turning 6 weenies into 8/8 tramplesaurs and destroying somebody last night in a last ditch attempt.
Just whipped up a fast R/G aggro deck yesterday and went 3-1 against my buddy during lunch (we play fast).
R8 my shitbrew.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-04-16-rw-control/
>>46613571
Creatures you control don't copy whether the enchanted creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it, whether it has any Auras and Equipment attached to it, or any noncopy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on.
So i was right, okay.
Damn. It should really copy the effects that are equipped to the card, but i can see how that might be a little overboard.
Still it was funny as shit to take a guys 8/8 dinosaur and then turn all my shit into 9/9 tramplesaurs (had all creatures 1+1) and one into a flying angel tramplesaur (aegis equipment 11/11) and just wreck my opponent.
Quick question. Does the madness or awaken cost count as the converted mana cost of the card while it's on the stack?
>>46613852
nope
the only thing that can ever change a spell's CMC is if it has an X value
>>46613237
I doubt you can build an artifact deck around Nahiri. Her only synergy with artifacts is her ultimate which you can't rely on.
She slots right into a madness deck however if it exists.
>>46613237
I have one RW Allies Equip, pretty consistent. Trying it now with Nahiri and Madness, looks solid so far.
>>46614669
I had a R/W ally equip deck that just got better and more consistent the more cards I traded into it and the more copies of weapons trainer I shoved in there. Also helps having a play set of ally encampment.
>>46610790
In limited, this thing is a bomb. Will constantly get stronger and feed you cards. Eventually you just get a superior card advantage when compared to your opponent.
>>46614699
Weapons Trainer and Allies are really underrated. I'm almost tired of beating the shit out of Uw Humans on Xmage and comming back from Languish wipes to swing for 5 with Munda and Captain's Claws.
The only thing that fucks me sideways is Kalitas. If I don't pack the removal at the right time, it's over for me.
If you're not a poorfag, add in four Kytheons and take out those envoys.
>>46611326
I like investigate though because of flavor. It actually fits on a lot of cards, doing something and then finding out additional information. I'm honestly sad that next set it will probably be gone.
>>46614720
>why is thing rising in price?
>well, you see, in limited...
Really?
>>46614841
Got a list? I've been messing around with an aggressive allies list and only having mediocre results, with certain threats (like you said, Kalitas) becoming huge hurdles.
>>46615203
It's a decent body creature that it's a draw engine and it grows. It's easier to trigger than Jori En.
>>46615203
It also makes it so that when you draw lands it's not a wasted draw. Plus if you use multiples, you get multiple clues. They stack well with each other and can be boosted through outside means relatively easy. It's deceptively strong.
>>46610790
It's a one card card advantage/aggression engine. It rewards you with cards and damage for playing the game and rewards ramp even more. Having all those tokens gives you combat options, too. Swing with tracker with 2 clue tokens and 4 mana up shows popping 2 tokens but can also be met with a combat trick instead. It doesn't need anything besides land drops for it to be good.
>>46610790
It's because it uses landfall when evolving wilds is circulating. In fact, when has evolving wilds not been standard?
>>46615616
theros i think
>>46610790
I grabbed these when they were at $2 at my LGS on Friday
Reminds me of when I got my Kola Commands on Dragons release day for about the same.
>>46615616
I don't think it will not be reprinted every other set from now on.
>>46610790
>See one is in the UG Intro Pack
>Go to store after work, buy one
>Avacyn in one booster
>Sigarda in the other
Is GW Humans any good? Already building my UR Prowess and UB Mill, but another deck is always fun.
>>46616206
Try GR humans/werewolves. The only problem you'll have is lack of flip card tokens.
>>46616360
That shouldn't be an issue for me. My cousin who I drive around bought a booster box. I'll be able to get a fair share out of him.
>>46616558
Dang it. Well for me I'm currently limited to 4 flippers in my R/G deck until I can buy/trade for more. Since I'm the only one who bought more than two packs in my play group it'll be a while since everyone else thinks it's the coolest shit ever.
>>46616646
Buy sleeves
>>46616670
I do. It's just that the single-sided sleeves just feel uncomfortable to hold. Ultra-pro clear sleeves are for some reason more comfortable.
>>46615354
I'll give you my testing list w/o sideboard. Because I'm a real faggot when it comes to builds.
Creatures:
Kytheon, Hero of Akros x2
Expedition Envoy x1
Firemantle Mage x1
Kor Bladewhirl x3
Stone Haven Outfitter x3
Weapons Trainer x3
Reckless Bushwhacker x2
Munda, Ambush Leader x2
Angelic Captain x1
Spells:
Tormenting Voice x4
Senseless Rage x2
Fiery Temper x4
Declaration in Stone x2
Open the Armory x2
Artifacts:
Captain's Claws x4
Planeswalker:
Nahiri the Harbringer x3
Lands:
Battlefield Forge x4
Ally Encampment x4
Neddle Spires x2
Sea Gate Wreckage x2
Plains x6
Mountains x5
>>46613025
>(Riddle of Lightning and the blue equivalent are really well designed IMO)
I just wish Interpret the Signs were instant, make it 4UU and it still could be good stuff (Dragonlord's Prerrogative at the same cost did saw play didn't it?).
And fuck, all the potential of Bolt of Keranos on the trash because SORCERY
>>46611871
He is really neat, but he requires too much build up for a prowess deck. You have to have a clue and sac it and have him on the field to before he is even relevant. Playing something like Nibilis of Dusk is a better choice.
>>46616792
>No stone forge masterwork
Having captain's claws and stone forge masterwork on the same creature is basically GG for your opponents.
>>46611072
If you cut kytheon and a swapped a few of the declarations for stasis snares you could probably roll pretty budget.
>>46617037
Doesn't stone forge masterwork no longer work with the ally type?
>>46617087
on mono white humans, forgot to say
Who loves the transforming creatures? I'm currently trying to figure out how to work a deck with one or two copies of every red and the green flips.
It's not.
Enjoy your opponents removing your ass as you pay 2 to equip.
Still, you can play one and remove one Captain's Claws.
Which might just work.
>>46617273
Yeah. The old "it does to removal so it's useless" argument doesn't really hold ground anymore. It relies on the assumption that every opponent is packing 4x of every popular removal.
>>46617492
Which they do, especially those that this deck fears most.
Kalitas + 12 removal spells including board wipes and Dwellers.
Anyone else making that UR control deck?
>>46610790
tfw bought my playset on friday
should I run jace's scrutiny or second harvest in clues
>>46618800
Jace's Scrutiny is garbage, don't play it. No opinion on Second Harvest,
>>46610172
So can the red devil stuff of SoI see any good play? I'm pretty new and I really like the flavour of the devil cards, would really like to run them with some white equip stuff.
>>46618137
>UR control
Go on about it, you have my attention. What goes in it besides Jori En?
>tfw you missed the eldrazi time because you took a break during BFZ/Gatewatch
>now they're unviable trash
How many of you guys get booster boxes?
>>46619718
if you are not buying singles you are playing a losing game
>>46619718
I bought 6.
>>46619718
almost always a waste of money desu
>>46619747
>>46619741
But I like the thrill of big money pulls and the mystery behind it, even though I know its straight up retarded desu.
>>46619746
Why
>>46619795
I have access to distributor pricing and my gf and I enjoy opening them. I keep the ones I want, trade/sell the rest and break even.
>>46619828
How much is each box at distributor pricing?
>>46619747
But Draft and Sealed with friends :o
>>46619844
was like 87 each, no tax, no shipping.
>>46619847
I always tell myself that but then end up opening them before the weekend comes.
>>46619847
I don't have magic playing friends and I legit question these people who all have like 20 friends into the exact same niche nerd hobby as them.
Who here plays magic online? Seems like a waste of money but at the same time kind of a convenience you can play from the comfort of your couch.
>>46620100
just use a different sim like xmage
>>46620036
why don't you make friends who share your interests
>>46620414
Dunno anon, doesn't really work that way
I opened new Avicyn and Westvale abbey in a fatpack, should I sell them now, or wait?
>>46619289
Eldrazi were never a menace in standard. Mono-Blue was a thing, but it wasn't near as dominating as goodstuff.deks were. It might still be around if people find something to replace stubborn denial and ghostfire blade with.
>>46620761
Sell westvale abbey. It's shit but not a lot of people have realized It yet.
>>46620794
>menace
We're talking about viability, anon, not a dominating force that's unstoppable, only Jace fits that.
Eldrazi lost a whole 1 or so cards
>>46612851
that's pretty cute anon, i'll sideboard two
>>46621016
Hey, I went top 2 last week with my B/R meme build. Then again, my meta is a lot more casual than most. We have about 6-10 good players and shitters fill in the rest.
That said, never underestimate the shitter. Ever lose to an actual autist because you got manascrewed? It is just about the worst feeling on the planet.
>>46620864
yeah sell it to me
Abbot of Keral Keep x4
Stormchaser Mage x4
Elusive Spellfist x4
Jori En x2
Tormenting Voice x4
Fiery Temper x4
Dispel x2
Invasive Surgery x2
Negate x3
Expedite x3
Slip Throught Space x4
Titan's strenght x4
Mountain x7
Island x7
Shivan reef x4
Wandering Fumarole x2
Opinions? Trying to build a U/R aggro deck with cards I already have. Maybe too many control? I don't want to be fucked by Declaration in Stone exiling all my mages
Built a budget R/G Werewolf/Wolf tribal deck, tell me how shit it is
2x Arlinn Kord
2x Geier Reach Bandit
4x Village Messenger
4x Kessig Forgemaster
4x Lambholt Pacifist
2x Pack Guardian
2x Hinterland Logger
4x Timberpack Wolf
3x Magmatic Chasm
2x Tormenting Voice
3x Rabid Bite
4x Howlpack Resurgence
4x Cinder Glade
2x Timber Gorge
10x Mountain
8x Forest
>4 Accursed Witch
>4 Declaration In Stone
>4 Anguished Unmaking
>4 Wasteland Strangler
>4 Bearer of Silence
>2 To The Slaughter
>2 Languish
>3 Flaying Tendrils
>2 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
>4 Silkwrap
>3 Thought Nazi
24 Lands
What do you think?
>>46619289
Not true at all. Most memedrazi decks are still very playable, nothing rotates out for basically a year, and a good (read: expensive) eldrazi deck would still shit over many other decks the same way any expensive deck would. They still have a big impact on modern as well.
Thought knot seer, reality smasher, void winnower, kozilek/ulamog, kozileks return, world breaker, endless one etc. are all undeniably useful cards. I personally am interested to see something like inverter of truth used in SoI against mill decks and the like, could be interesting.
>>46610172
>How'd you do over the weekend?
2-2 for Sunday Standard with BR vamps
>Any new brews at your store?
UB Zombies tyring to be relevant
>What are you looking to see in the coming weeks?
A proper BR vamps list. Evidently, Asylum Visitor and Incorrigible Youths are key.
>>46621637
why pack guardian when silverfur partisan makes more wolves
>>46620414
cause most people in magic are autismo faggots that will become irrelevant when WotC finally makes a good malleable bot.
>>46621783
Because >budget. I guess I can buy some though, any other tips or advice on what I should take out/put in?
>>46621855
>no partisan because budget
>2 Arlinn
>budget
>>46620864
It's not shit
What you fuckers keep failing to realize is that it goes in every single deck
The worst that could happen is drawing it in your opening hand, with only one of your two color sources.
It has a tiny downside and all upside.
How's this for a U/B control deck?
4x Grasp of Darkness
3x Ultimate Price
2x Ruinous Path
4x Compelling Deterrence
1x Languish
4x Compelling Deterrence
1x Demonic Pact
3x Duress
4x Relentless Dead
2x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1x Dragonlord Silumgar
1x Ob Nixilis
2x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
3x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
>>46622084
>1 Languish
You haven't checked the current Meta?
I would play at least 3 copies, and sideboard another one.
>>46622033
I pulled both arlinns in my booster box
>>46622144
>>46622084
Alright I'll cut a demonic pact and something else for 2 more. I have no idea how compelling deterrence wound up on the list twice. That second Compelling Deterrence is also supposed to be Anticipate, somehow I messed it up
>>46621407
>0 jace
Get a job
>>46622144
It's post rotation week bro....
Everyone will run fave is the place race decks until the end of the month when some good brew appear.
Is punishing frog worth try? I haven't played standard for quite a few rotations, but this deck looked interesting. What is the current top rated decks in standard?
>>46622877
>Advising a poor fag to go spend 500$ on cardboard that will lose 3/4 value come rotation in a few months.
Is youz for real nigga?
>>46623239
>What is the current top rated decks in standard?
We aren't gonna know for a while.The first few weeks of standard always proves dick.
3x Sanitarium Skeleton
4x Heir of Falkenrath
4x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4x Prized Amalgam
4x Stitchwing Skaab
4x Geralf's Masterpiece
4x Call the Bloodline
4x Just the Wind
4x Alms of the Vein
4x Choked Estuary
4x Drownyard Temple
4x Evolving Wilds
4x Island
4x Sunken Hollow
5x Swamp
I skipped BFZ block because it was boring as shit but got interested again in SOI. What do you think about this deck? I've been playing it on cockatrice and it's pretty absurd when you have some combination of Jace, Geralf, and the Amalgam's in your opener.
It sort of falls apart when you're missing the flying zombos in your yard. I feel it needs more draw/looting but I don't know what.
>>46616729
Hi I'm Ricky Bobby and if you don't use Dragon Shields then fuck you
>>46623479
Die to removal :^)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-04-16-lNu-punishing-frog/
Thoughts, anyone?
>>46623497
4 out of the 6 different creatures can come back from the yard
>>46623521
Who told you the removal was going to send them to the Graveyard anon? Get on with the times and check out this formats White trends :^)
I started in Lorwyn and stopped at Theros. Looking to get back in for casual FNM play.
Just bought a Shadows fat pack and the RB intro pack. Pulled some relevant stuff like Olivia, Foreboding Ruins, and Elusive Tormentor (inb4 Tormentor is garbage. I like it.)
Question: What staple discard outlets do you think BR Vampires will run? I haven't played in ten sets ; ~ ; halp.
>>46624258
Call of the Bloodlines may perform well. Combos nicely with Alms to the Veinat least it did in sealed
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-soi-humans-1/
Pls help improve/gibe ideas
Where will it end, /tg/? Should I buy it for € 6,- while I can?
>>46624501
Don't buy into the hype. Honestly ask yourself how often will you need to exile that many creatures. It will be a sideboard card more than likely but if you truly want it though then buy it
>>46624501
I don't know I'm wondering if I should sell mine now.
>>46624568
How often I should exile one creature? The ability to exile multiples is just icing.
>>46624568
>Honestly ask yourself how often will you need to exile that many creatures.
It's W1 for unconditional removal. Opponent has unflipped Jace? Avacyn? Evasion beatstick? Ulamog? This gets them off the battlefield no questions asked. The only drawback is sorcery and maybe clue, but I would give them a clue to get Ulamog off the table any day.
>>46624599
>>46624624
Nothing is guaranteed right now, janky shit will be used to test the exact limits of these cards, you can probably expect this shit to be played to deal with it or maybe not. I'm not saying its a shit card its good and will see play but more than likely as a sideboard
>>46616646
Buy a Fatpack, it comes with like 15 C/UC doubleface tokens and 5 R/M ones.
>>46619269
Titi monsters and pyromancer's goggles. Also lightning axe and fiery temper. Deck is a solid meh until goggles drop then it goes to fucking eleven. A doubled tap out fall of the titans kill 2 things and burn for 12 is insane. Doubled magmatic insight discard a land draw 4 insane.
So I pulled a Gitrog today, should I grab the BG intro pack for Delirium support or the UG pack for Meme Tracker?
What do you think of SoI so far anon?
rate fat pack
1x Gitrog Monstrosity
2x Mindwrack Demon
1x Thing in the Ice
1x Thalia's Lieutenant
1x Port Town
1x Invocation of Saint Traft
1x Bygone Bishop
1x Slayer's Plate
1x Foil Corrupted Graftstone
>>46625258
whoops
*Gitrog Monster
I'm happy with it anyway, I was going to make a w/u humans deck so a bunch of these are helpful
>>46625152
I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would, when tooth collector was spoiled I thought it would be shit because the art was shit, but every other card has been excellent.
>>46625258
A shame you didn't get any planeswalkers etc. but i'm sure you can dos something with what you got
>>46625258
1x foil Sorin
1x foil hydra
1x dec in stone
1x bishop
1x seasons past
1x sigarda herron bitch
2x death cap
>>46625382
yay bishop buddies
>>46613669
>shitbrew
>has like 6 planeswalkers and is worth $400+
ok
>>46625289
>when tooth collector was spoiled I thought it would be shit because the art was shit
That art is great though
>>46625258
Mine is embarassing
1x Geier Reach Bandit
3x Harness the Storm
1x Rattlechains
2x Elusive Tormentor
1x Seasons Past
1x Deathcap Cultivator
Foil Hinterland Logger, Foil Silverstrike, and Foil Island(Andreas Rocha art)
>>46624933
Decklist?
>>46624258
Insolent Neonate (for the draws too)
Lightning axe
get a playset of falkenrath gorger, trust me
>>46625258
sexy
I knew buying a bunch of kythions while they were cheep would pay off
>>46621407
you might want a hedron grinder or two
4x Falkenrath Gorger
4x Insolent Neonate
4x Heir of Falkenrath
2x Ravenous Bloodseeker
2x Indulgent Aristrocrat
4x Incorrigible Youths
2x Olivia Bloodsworn
2x Fiery Temper
4x Lightning Axe
2x Murderous Compulsion
2x Alms of the Vein
rate me
:-(
>>46610790
How could anyone think it's not good?
>you never have 2 mana floating on your opponents end phase ever, let alone 2 mana to give a +1/+1 counter and draw a card!
>>46623321
Do you not understand what standard is?
>>46622877
You're a faggot
>>46623321
>$500
The new Jace is still only €7 and doesn't rotate until next year m8
>>46625996
>memepires
Would an incremental lifegain deck featuring kalastria healer and company (choice lifegain allies - ondu war cleric, serene steward, drana's messenger, cliffhaven vampire and such) work with triskadekaphobia to maindeck it as a wincon (and then side it out for decks that run painlands)
>>46626691
I'm with the poorfag, it's pretty shit to spend that kind of money just for a piece of paper. If you're not playing competitively you might as well try to find some high quality fakes for fnm, the cost of the secondary market is obscene - $500 could get you an ok-ish standard deck that last 8-12 months, or it could feed you for a couple of weeks and get you a new video game etc. - the hours of enjoyment you're going to get from your $500 deck are probably not going to match the amount you spent on it, with the exception of people who are obsessed with the game or people who have money to throw around. Most average income earners and lower are not going to see the benefit to spending that kind of money on autism cardboard.
>>46627044
I dunno about you, but I play Standard for at LEAST 6 hours a week. I'd maybe get 5 hours a week total out of a game... 45 minutes play a day before I get bored?
Going to Standard events mid-week soaks up 4 hours no problem, and on the weekend, casual games across multiple formats can easily take all day.
>2-hour commander game
>get knocked out
>bash some Standard matches waiting for the others to finish
Not to mention PPTQs.
>>46627044
> $500 could get you an ok-ish standard deck that last 8-12 months
$500 could get you a top tier standard deck chock full of flip Jaces or Avacyns. the average competitive deck not running the too 2-3 cards will be quite a bit less
>or it could feed you for a couple of weeks and get you a new video game etc.
or it could buy you a few nights out or meals at a restaurant. and how is spending $X on video games any different than spending $X on Magic cards?
people who think MTG is an overly expensive hobby should get out into the real world every once in a while, they might come back with a new perspective
Without fetchlands standard price gonna be normal again they said.
>>46627549
You're looking at it wrong.
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy is a disgusting aberration and a blight on the format.
>>46627549
>the best deck in the format is blue
>the best cards in that deck are all blue
TIME TO SLEEVE UP MY PILEDRIVERS AGAIN, FUCKERS
>>46627359
It's more the principle really, the secondary market inflates the price of cards significantly even though there is a clear surplus of cards, it makes no sense that a card should sell for 40-80$ when it is neither particularly good nor in particularly short supply from online sources, so it's incredibly frustrating - spending money on the hobby isn't the problem, it's the value you're getting - most of these cards simply aren't worth what they are being sold at.
>>46627631
what card that isn't good ever sells for $40-80?
>>46627703
Modern? Bitterblossom/Vendilion Clique. Next to nobody plays them yet they're still expensive due to muh price memory.
>>46627719
>playing memedern
you're in the wrong thread lad
>>46627703
From the current set, TITI, Avacyn, Arlin, Declaration in Stone - all ok cards and useful in the right setting, none are worth what they are currently selling for. And you look at the vendors that have 100+ in stock one week after release and have to wonder - if they reduced the price they might actually be able to sell them all rather than sell a handful at inflated prices.
>>46627999
Avacyn and Declaration in Stone are great cards in current Standard.
Avacyn is the only one that's $40+. The rest are nowhere near that. Also worth mentioning that the only one currently in stock at StarCityGames is Arlinn (duh because it's shit)
>>46628172
>buying from SCG
>>46628226
I don't buy from SCG, I'm European and can get an Avacyn for 25 bucks from MKM.
I was just making the point that the available stock of some cards can be a lot lower than some people realize and that's one thing affects the price
>>46625691
It was in the top 8 of scg Baltimore. Guy playing it was todd anderson. Google it
How do I improve this hot garbage?
http://deckstats.net/decks/40652/467600-clueless-mill
>>46624258
Holy shit you are literally me.
Getting back into it and proxies out a rough B/R vamp madness deck. Has great starts but sputters out just before I can finish them off. Are there any general standard deck building tips to help me out? I'm probably low on the mana curve throughout, but I don't know what big finishers to pack
>>46621407
Drop Jori En. She just doesn't do enough to make her worthwhile.
Maybe Geistblast or Harness the Storm? You'll still get a Prowess trigger from them and you'll still get a bit more mileage out of your spells. Plus your mana curve will be the same.
>>46610172
>>How'd you do over the weekend?
Didn't play since I had a bro in last Friday that wanted to play EDH, but I had a deck that I had handed to one of the guys at the shop. He went 2-0 split.
>>Any news brews?
The deck I built is an Abzan Elves list. The white splash is mostly for removal and the ability to retrigger Shaman of the Pack, Dwynen's Elite, and Elvish Visionary off Eerie Interlude, which not only gives this dump your hand Aggro deck some surprising reach but also allows my field to evade Languish and Kozilek's Return. Also having access to Declaration in the mainboard is pretty cool.
>>What are you looking to see in the next couple weeks.
For the meta to settle down a bit so I know what things to throw in the sideboard. A single SGC tournament is not the way to take the temp of the meta, and while I'm throwing some sideboard options to fuck over Co-Co and Humans, I don't think they're going to be the dominant decks by any stretch.
>>46619718
I always get one to draft/sealed with friends.
>>46623521
good thing exile isn't the graveyard anon
so i bought a fatpack:
>Nahiri
>Wolf of Devil's Breach
>Geralf's Masterpiece
>Behold the Beyond
And yet not topplegeist. Did get Anguished Unmaking though, that was exciting. Four mythics is nice, but only one of those matter in any context. A R/W madness burn deck seems like fun though.
>>46629137It would have taken less time to google it yourself and paste a link, but okay.
Thing in the Ice is creeping up in price. Buy a playset now?
>>46629622
I gotta say it's underwhelming. The amount of card advantage you need in anything but a strictly counter based deck to get it running against any build worthwhile is insane. I've gotten it to flip only once so far and there wasn't anything to bounce.
That said people are gonna play with it until they find out how to make it work so I can't see it being a bad buy.
>>46629622
>>46629664
Is mono-blue control at all viable right now, or should I be looking more towards UW control+removal?
>>46629620I'm posting from mobile and my connection is shoddy. It really would have taken a lot more effort
>>46629812Don't worry about it. We've all been in that situation.
>>46627613
I wish goblins were viable in this standard
Reprinting Piledriver felt like it was only done to bring the price down and for no other reason. They're not even usable in Modern.
>>46629704
Reflector mage is one of the best creatures in standard right now. Also white is pretty OP.
>>46629998
muh rakdos eldrazi doesn't give a shit about your fag mage
>>46630033
I mean i would never play u/w just giving advice.
Did shadows give you anything good or was the deck better prerotation?
>>46630060
Deck was stronger in a vacuum before, all I've extracted from SOI is Skin Invasion as pseudo removal (decent synergy with Matter Reshaper and Vile Aggregate)
But, I think it's in a better meta for it now.
>like B/G decks
>two decks during baltimore open catch my eye
>cryptolith tokens and hoogland's gitgud deck
>go to tcgplayer and see what it would cost for either accounting for cards I already own
>$215 for tokens
>$230 for gitgud
I mean, it's less than what I spent on my modern deck.... I just miss the days when magic was cheap.
Guess I'll try binder sharking a bit and fill in a few more gaps. Ideally I'd like to spend around $150
I pulled a git rekt monster and want to make a standard deck around it. How?
>>46630293
Bg midrange, good creatures, some accellerants, some removal
>>46629704
I do Blue/Waste control and it's pretty hot. Requires knowing their deck at least as well as they do but I've only lost two matches in three fnms with it.
That said, the only thing stopping me from throwing in three reflector mages and two declaration in stone is not owning the prairie streams or declarations.
>>46630388
Should I have lands too or is that too try hard I'm just here to have fun
>>46630293
Build a pretty well rounded deck for it. Midrange.
>>46630655
No lands, just creatures and spells.
>>46630033
>Rakdos Eldrazi
Why people keep naming those Decks Eldrazi when you have more Artifact making creatures than Eldrazi?
IE. Thopter Engineer, Pia & Kiran Nalaar, Hangarback Walker against only Thought Nazi and Smasher.
>>46630279
>215$ for tokens
what the fuck are you even talking about?
which tokens? what the fuck tokens cost more than 5$ each besides the plant ones.
you know you can make or buy your own tokens and play with them you stupid fuck right?
>>46630895
>pretending to be retarded
>>46629622
Are you still looking to buy friendo?
>>46630890
Because I'm actually running an Eldrazi Mimic sly build?
Perfect curve is this
>turn 1 duress
>turn 2 mimic
>turn 3 forerunner of slaughter, haste, 6
>turn 4 Dust Stalker, +13, 19 total
>turn 5 Reality Smasher, swing 18
>>46631133
How much are you asking?
>>46630895
Cryptolith tokens, the standard deck. That uses lots of tokens and cryptolith rites.
>>46629967
>bring the price down and no other reason
This is a problem?
>>46631133
>prerelease promo
no thank you pleb
>>46633073
>He didn't get one
Half of my damn LGS had titi as their promo
To the anon asking for the UR Control list
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 Jori En, Ruin Diver
4 Thing in the Ice
2 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Anticipate
2 Fall of the Titans
4 Fiery Temper
1 Kozilek's Return
4 Lightning Axe
3 Magmatic Insight
3 Pyromancer's Goggles
4 Tormenting Voice
4 Drownyard Temple
3 Highland Lake
3 Island
7 Mountain
4 Shivan Reef
4 Wandering Fumarole
1 Yavimaya Coast
SIDEBOARD
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
4 Eldrazi Obligator
4 Fevered Visions
1 Kozilek's Return
3 Negate
2 Void Shatter
I was thinking about building either WB or mono Red Eldrazi. Which does teegee think will do better in the long run? I'm leaning more towards the BW because virulent plague scares me away from most token decks.
>>46629143
Your deck's concept is all wrong. With mill, you either go all the way or don't ho at all.
You can start by taking out Briarbridge Patrol. It serves no purpose whatsoever in your deck without any fatties to cheat into play.
Put in 3, even 4 copies of Forgotten Creation. It curves off Sphinx's Tutelage nearly and the hand cycling effect is gonna mill half your opponent's deck by itself and makes your clues more relevant, since each clue you sac is going to mean an additional draw (and thus an additional mill) with Forgotten Creation.
I myself have brewed a Tutelage deck for Modern today, similar to yours except its UB. I think its gonna work decently.
Creatures: 11
>Painter's Servant x4
>Forgotten Creation x4
>Jace, Vryn's Prodigy x3
Enchantments: 7
>Sphinx's Tutelage x4
>Waste Not x3
Instants & Sorceries: 18
>Glimpse the Unthinkable x4
>Visions of Beyond x4
>Ancestral Visions x3
>Surgical Extraction x3
>Dark Pact x4
Lands:
>Shelldock Island x2
I'm not too sure about the manabase, but 2 color should make it cheap.
Fat pack or deck builder kit for innistrad?New player here if that matters
>>46633246
Thank you so much. Wow, I hope I can trade for most of this.
>>46633246
>1 of
>2 of
>3 of
What is this? Limited?
>>46633915
Neither, fat packs are always a rip off. The best way to approach it is either test decks with proxies and buy all singles or buy boosters and go drafting until you build a decent card collection. That being said, for Innistrad the expected value of a box is around its price, so It can be a good buy if you have ways to trade cards. Usually me and some friends test around a bit, build decks without overlapping cards (or at least colors, some cards are just way too good to pass) then we split a box or two.
>>46627359
>$500 could get you a top tier standard deck chock full of flip Jaces or Avacyns.
Jace is almost 100 a pop, Avacyn's over 50, so no.
4 Jaces and Avacyns is over 600 USD. I really don't get why /tg/ gets so fucking upset when someone refuses to spend their lifes savings on cardboard. Like nigga I got other hobbies besides this, it isn't my sole purpouse in life.
playing STB mtg's BW sacrifice deck but i dont really see the liliana being that great, am i just stupid? anyone have any suggestions?
Creatures (30)
4 Relentless Dead
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
3 Carrier Thrall//Hangarback Walker
2 Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
3 Liliana, Heretical Healer
4 nantuko Husk
3 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Smothering Abomination
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Archangel Avacyn
Spells (5)
3 Grasp of Darkness
2 Bone Splinters
Lands (25)
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Shambling Vent
1 Mortuary Mire
10 Swamp
6 Plains
>>46633915
If you're itching to get some cards and crack some packs just get a toolkit. They're half the price of a fat pack and you get 4 packs.
A lot of the cards will be from previous sets but they'll all be Standard legal.
But the best option is to play some sealed at your local game store. You'll get to keep the cards you open and that will get you experience while you do some more research about the direction you want to take in the future.
Is this thread still alive? I have a shitbrew to post.
4 Thing in the Ice
3 Disperse
4 Manic Scribe
4 Vessel of Paramnesia
1 Pore Over the Pages
2 Displacement Wave
2 Clash of Wills
4 Sphinx's Tutelage
1 Dreadwaters
2 Scatter to the Winds
21 Island
4 Startled Awake
4 Talent of the Telepath
4 Reckless Scholar
>Avacyn is 45 dollarydoos
Why?
>>46626919
Felidar Sovereign is a more reliable wincon. I would put Trisk in the side and only board it in against the aggro matchup.
>>46634809
Flashing in indestructible is generally seen as a good ability.
>>46630895
(You)
>>46634809
Because it's a great card and a mythic rare you goofbrains
>>46634809
Because it's good and has a competitive presence you faffing poofter
>>46634715
Try 4 of this if you play mono-U. It values jank so you can easily pick them up.
>>46635054
I wouldn't even play that shit in Limited
>>46635114
>instant boardwipe
>not playing around it in limited
nice bait brah
>>46635054
that was not me >>46635114
but I agree
>>46634112
If you already had the Jaces, this deck is cheap. I built it yesterday and only had to trade like $60 worth of stuff
>>46630279
I know that feel, bro.
I really want to get back into magic but it doesn't seem there are any decks to build in my range anymore
>>46634809
A lot of the decks that topped in the open had 2 or more of her.
>>46634288
>>46634711
Sorry guys I was too autistic to wait and bought a fat pack
Considering you guys both got dubs you are probably right and I'm going to pull shit
>>46635125
yeah you can wipe the board and then blow them away with your awesome blue creatures
>>46629967
Piledriver was pretty much printed just for Modern to put in a bit more tribal support for the format that isn't Merfolk or Elves(or Eldrazi lol). There actually was enough Goblins to make a Goblin related deck prior to KTK and FRF rotating. Wasn't great but wasn't bad, solid tier 2/2.5 and cheap.
>>46635255
It's ok bro, you'll survive
but just remember that while you pull a Behold the Beyond and a bunch of Falkenrath Gorgers from that fat pack, somebody somewhere is pulling a BFZ expedition from a Deckbuilders Toolkit
>>46635324
My mythic was Sigarda, damn I've bought about 16-18 packs now and I didn't seem to get anything cool yet
>>46634809
Because the card is extremely forced in every single way
>flash
>decent stats for cost
>flying
>vigilance
>transform
>gives everything indestructable
>light wrath effect when it flips
>even stronger stats when it flips
It's fucking stupid how much they wanted this to see play. I mean basically if you are a white deck you have to run these. It's the Baby Jace of White
>>46635962
They want every deck to have some required ultra pricey chase mythic.
>>46635808
This is the reason why you don't just open packs, unless you love to gamble more than anything. Draft or sealed are better ways to build up your collection.
But if you want to jump into Standard, buy singles.
Been testing this:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-tokens-midrange/
Sideboard can be somewhat ignored.
>>46636444
How is sealed any different than just opening packs?
>>46635179
I don't have any of this. No U/R control for me, I guess. On the upside, I finally found a place near me that does FNM drafts,hopefully in English.
>>46636510
because the price you pay for entry is roughly equal to the price of the packs themselves, plus you can get more packs by being good at the game/having a little luck, leading you to get more cards per unit of $ than just buying packs alone
I am just getting back into the game, last played right after Origins but last REALLY really played during Khans
I have no idea what deck to build
>>46636531
Well, that sucks. I been playing it with friends, and it's been pretty fun.
Flipping 2 things in the Ice and swinging game on turn 5 is neat
>>46636548
Fair point.
>>46636656
That's what I was hoping to do too. I'll probably stick to EDH and drafts. If I really want to play 60-card constructedI do, I guess Modern will be fine.
>>46634809
Well, everyone above me has said just how good Avacyn is, so I'm just going to mention the possibility that it sees Modern play.
No one knows if a card will find a home in a deck. With Standard this doesn't matter, since Avacyn is so good it warps the format. It doesn't simply GO in decks, it MAKES them. Any deck that runs white will be a better deck with Avacyn in it.
In Modern this isn't true though, since there is a much more ample card pool, therefore, it needs to find a home.
Still, lots of Modern staples were Standard Allstars, so there's a good chance it'll be played in a non-rotating format, which means its a safe investment that is likely to hold value on the long term.
Consider also that its a Mythic Rare and that odds are it won't see a reprint in +10 years if at all and its easy to understand why prices are so inflated. Plus, 'unusual' cards that are special in some way like like DFCs are at times prized as collector items and collectors don't mind paying degenerate amounts of money for a copy they are likely not to even ise in an actual game.
Plus its like really fucking good.
>>46635808
You may not have got any cool mythics but I bet you got a few things here and there that are good. Rares like Declaration in Stone or Tireless Tracker are currently worth a few bucks and easy to overlook.
Still, don't ever buy a fat pack again unless you're planning to keep it sealed and resell it when the price spikes in a few years.
>>46636953
Thank you anon, you've just persuaded me to invest 100 bucks on a playset of Avacyns
