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Hamlets Full of 6th-9th Level Casters edition: is Geb actively minmaxing his populace to exploit caster supremacy?
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>>46608027
>castle
This shit looks small for a wealthy npc's shed.
>>46608113
Paizo map-makers have no sense of scale, news at 11.
Although here... what exactly is happening with that spiral staircase? Is it blocking off the entire dining room entry?
How do you get an Alchemist into armor without messing up his casting ? I'm toying with an idea for alchemy knight.
>>46608258
Extracts aren't spells. I don't think they suffer from ASF
>>46608258
ASF applies only to arcane spells.
Extracts aren't arcane spells.
Fuck off already.
>>46608258
Extracts don't have failure rates from armor.
>>46608113
I'm more concerned about how little cropland Avrossi has.
>>46608292
I see, thanks. Must have missed that.
>>46608401
Don't forget
>Perfectly clear rules
>Everyone knows how it's supposed to work
>>46608384
That's not much of an issue: they're only feeding the living people, and the place is PACKED with clerics who can cast create food and water. They'd really only want for spices and flavorings.
>>46608443
To be fair, paizo's alchemy rules are a clusterfuck and almost every table houserules them in one way or another.
>>46608452
>paizo's alchemy rules
Are just refluffed vancian casting.
>>46608500
Except weirder.
Alchemists can use spell trigger, but not spell completion, investigators can use neither.
The range of all spells is changed to personal/you.
And other whatever changes I don't even remember.
Kineticist is the best! the best!
>>46608516
Fast bombs are pretty fucking weird as well, because of how it's written it works with tons of perks it obviously shouldn't and you can lob your entire armoury in a single turn.
>>46608623
>it works with tons of perks it obviously shouldn't
So, once again, we come back to "this perfectly clear rule has implications I don't like, so I'm going to scream about how it's broken and makes no sense"
Shoo shoo Paidrone
>>46608645
>Raweeb upset people calling are out on their rollplay bullshit
>>46608445
Cropland is used to make a living, though.
>>46608672
>>46608672
>raweeb
The hell does that even mean?
>>46608688
>make a living
>in Geb
Jokes aside, it says outright that those fields are just used for feeding the town's mortals.
Given that literally everyone of import is a mid-leveled caster, they've got much better ways to make money than farming, and nothing to spend on except luxuries. Geb is an economic powerhouse like that.
>No Mom! It's clearly written that I'm able to quaff 4 extracts a turn! just you wait until I'm level 8!
>>46608786
what are you even talking about??
How would you port Path of Exile to PF?
What's the best Path of War class for a 1 level dip, do you think for a Dex/Wis person mostly going into it for Counters?
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/04/11/blood-knight/
Tried my hand at homebrew, how's it look? Never done homebrew before, so I don't know if it is balanced.
Are mutagens or extracts potable?
>>46609148
Potable?
>>46609173
Safe, fit or suitable enough for drinking.
>>46609148
They are. But being SU ability, you can't actually pull them out and drink them without using standard action.
So Potion Glutton is useless for them.
>>46609189
Mutagens and Extracts are not potable for anyone except the alchemist that made them unless you have the Infusion discovery. Then your extracts are usable by someone else.
>>46609189
If you have the infusion discovery, and a flexible gm like I do, you can infact put extracts into food to give others the effects of the extract, if that's what your asking. Such as an extract of endure elements in a stew. Though generally with a diminished effect.
>>46609212
Doesn't having a prehensile tail solve this?
>>46609273
By RAW? No. Since extract isn't an item.
Someone in the last thread mentioned Fused Steelbone Mithral something or other. Is that a recipe for zero-ASF fullplate? If so, what's the full thing?
>>46609313
>Since extract isn't an item
Which class is the best to VMC withKineticist
>>46609388
Nothing, they're all shit because that class is shit.
>>46609388
Theretraining rules so you can retrain out of Kineticist.
>>46608882
Did someone say Storm Call?
>>46609356
I've gone and figured it out, and as it turns out, Steelbone isn't needed.
First you get yourself Full Plate.
+9 +1 –6 35% 1500gp
Then, you make it out of Mithral.
+9 +3 –3 25% +9000gp
Afterward, make it +1. +1000gp
Then add the Fusing ability, which is 3PP (But is DSP nonetheless).
+10 +4 –2 15% +3000gp
Finally, we have to do a bit of math. There exists a specific set of magic Chainmail called Celestial Armor, which has a max Dex of +8, ACP of -2, and importantly, ASF of 15%; however, regular chainmail is +2/-5/30%, meaning the Celestial ability grants +6 max dex, -3 ACP, and -15% ASF. It also counts as Light armor despite Chainmail being Medium. However, we already have this being treated as Light armor because of Mithral and Fusing, so that isn't actually very helpful. Regular Celestial Armor costs 22400gp, but is +3 Chainmail, so we can remove the masterwork cost (150gp), the chainmail cost (150gp), and the +3 enhancement cost (9000gp). This leaves us with a flat, non-price bonus cost of 13100gp.
Adding that to our +1 Fusing Mithral Fullplate we get:
+10 +10 –0 0% +13100gp
And as such, a +1 Fusing Celestial Mithral Fullplate costs 27600gp. You don't even need proficiency in the thing! Improficiency in armor does NOTHING except double the armor's ACP, of which this has none.
Relatedly, if you want to armor up your Psion, this is also a dandy thing to have, and if you don't have crazy high Dexterity, just skip the Celestial part and use a Steelbone Frame to get rid of the last 2 ACP.
![[menacing].gif](https://i.imgur.com/M0nCL5m.gif "[menacing].gif")
How do we unseat Conjuration from the throne of Optimal Arcane School?
>>46609644
Obtain >100% Shadow Conjuration realness, and find a means of lowering the effective spell level of Shadow Conjuration & etc. by one apiece so that you're never spending a 4th level slot to cast a 3rd level Conjuration spell and so forth.
If 3.5e content is allowed, it's as easy as taking Sanctum Spell (which happens to be handy for Shadowcraft Mage, but that's a whole other can of beans).
>>46609701
That's great for Illusionists, but what about Transmuters and Enchanters? Abjurers and Diviners?Xanderghul pls go
>>46609871
All you said was unseat Conjuration. You never said what'd take its place.
>>46609908
Curses! Foiled again by my own nonspecific wording!
You'll rue this, Runelord of Pride! RUUUUUE!
>>46609954
That waitress has a nice rack
>>46609610
>if you want to armor up your Psion
Then just manifest inertial armor which scales up to +13, or +15 with overchannel.
>>46609644
As far as I'm concerned, Divination is already the best school choice because you get the best powers and can still just prep all the Conjuration magic you want just fine.
>>46610396
Well, yes, but that's dispellable. Worst-case scenario short of a Disjunction, what I am calling Real Man's Mage Armor just shuts down for 1d4 rounds.
Oh, and you can get the basic version earlier than +10 Inertial, I'm fairly certain. Far earlier, actually. Inertial is still dandy until you can afford to get it, though. Greater Concealing Amorpha is also a fantastic addition.
>>46610459
So which is the best opposition school to haveand why is it Necromancy?
>>46610552
It's Enchantment and Evocation and if you don't agree you're probably a kiddie diddler or a limp-dicked explosion nut.
>>46610552
But I likenecromancy. It lets me make so many new friends.
>>46610561
>twisting the minds of your opponents to your will or incinerating them with flame and lightning
>less useful than flimsy skeletons and squishy zombies
Geb please go.
>>46610599
They're not your friends, they're puppets. They're about as much of your friend as your left hand is.
>>46610610
>thinking necromancy is about the undead
Top plebeian.
>>46610610
Wizardly Necromancy isn't about shitty minions, leave that to the Cleric, they do it a whole spell level earlier.
No, Wizardly Necromancy is about DEBUFFS! CURSES! PENALTIES! Also INSTANT DEATH! ENERGY DRAIN! DID I MENTION PENALTIES!?
You also want to keep it for Enervation and Create Undead, since you can use those in conjunction with Contingency and a rather tall cliff to turn yourself into a Juju Zombie, at least until that wonderful day when you've amassed the funds for a Phylactery.
>>46610644
You mean your friends aren't puppets? God, that must get annoying sometimes.
>>46610652
Oh, and if you need even one reason not to ban it: Magic Jar and Possession.
>>46610645
I bet he doesn't even know undead are the the cream on top and just bodyguards for you and the real prize that is DEBUFFS, instant deaths and the eventual rise to being a LICH BABY
Quick post Liches
>>46610705
>and the eventual rise to being a LICH BABY
Or clone factories for pussies who are scared of lichdom.
What is better than either of those, though, is becoming an awakened demilich.
>>46610705
My DM is letting me use aimate dead to make juju zombies/skeleton lords. Truly the best.
>>46610746
Jesus lucky you, and here I though a rechargeable wand of lesser restoration was the best thing for a necromancer, but that takes the cake.
This is hates-Himself, what is a bard even supposed to do when they don't need to use their standard on anything in particular during a turn?
>>46611111
Attack or cast spells.
You have access to some pretty decent buffs in your spell list, and a few decent debuffs.
>>46611111
Make an attack, drink a potion, cast a spell, move, whatever the fuck you want. If you don't need to use it at all, then don't use it.
>>46611175
>Don't use it.
Nah, never waste it like that. You can always ready an attack or something,
>>46610705
>lich baby
Is Lich Babies like Muppet Babies?
>>46610652
>Contingency and a rather tall cliff to turn yourself into a Juju Zombie
RAW illegal.
To create someone in a juju zombie, the CL has to be higher than the creature's HD.
And contingency limits the CL of the companion spell to a third of your CL, rounded down, maximum 6.
>>46611421
Obviously he's the same guy who's gm lets him use animate dead to create skeleton champions/juju zombies(I hope so at least), though you aren't wrong
>>46608113
>>46608166
Wow, it's almost like large castles were the exception rather than the rule.
>>46611789
I dunno, that still looks kinda big to me.Then again I live in an apartment smaller than a classroom, so what do I know.
>>46611421
Nope. Use a Scroll of Contingency at CL 18; Create Undead is a 6th-level spell.
You can easily boost CL by 1; Orange Prism Ioun Stone, Mage's Tattoo (Necromancy), etc.
I should've been more clear.
A few threads ago, there were references to some supposed meme about Iomedae being a demon lord. Can somebody fill me in on that?
>>46611111
You unload arrows into people.
>>46611896
It's a reference to what some people call "Trumpetgate". In the Wrath of the Righteous AP, the party is forcibly whisked away to an audience with Iomedae herself; she then asks the players RIGHTEOUS TRIVIA QUESTIONS, and if they get any wrong, the party is blasted for increasingly high sonic damage (eventually being strong enough to oneshot squishy classes). If anyone complains or insults Iomedae for this, they are permanently blinded, and if they attack her, they are turned CE. If you do everything right, you'll get a present and be sent to the next area to fight, but if you fuck up, you get nothing, and you're sent there anyway.
Because of this, people started joking that Iomedae was actually a demon lord rather than an LG goddess, and it became a meme.
>>46612026
>Be LG
>Insult Iomedae and get sent there anyway
>Put on your helm of opposite alignment and willingly fail the save
>Carry on as though nothing had happened, laugh at Iomedae
Paizo is fucking dumb. If you aren't going to use mortal, statted, slayable deities, you can NEVER have direct interaction between deities and anything that isn't on their level.
Not to mention, directly intervening in that AP blatantly breaks the whole non-intervention agreement, but like Star Trek's Prime Directive, it's violated whenever it happens to be convenient anyway.
You'd think a Lawful deity would be better at keeping her word.
>>46612026
Well that certainly isn't LG behavior, more CN at best, Christ how can they write this and expect to be taken seriously?
>>46611896
>>46612026
>>46612083
I much prefer the theory where it was Sivanah fucking around just to troll the crusaders. Now supported by the fact that she's got a trumpet archon for a herald!
>>46612095
As we've cheerfully pointed out to them, they can't.
>>46612221
And yet they continue to spew out garbage, amazing.
>>46612026
Let's see, the PCs should be 15th/7th upon meeting Iomedae. Casters should have an additional 21 hp and an average of 55 from levels. That should be enough to survive the average 20d6 damage, and that's before adding in con bonuses.Still doesn't solve the fact that it's really stupid and should've not be written.
>>46611544
That is not me.
>>46612301
Oh ok.
>>46611872
Create Undead requires a minimum CL of 11. Still illegal.
>>46612026
One of the most important things to note, which everyone ignored back when this was the thing that detailed several threads, is that attacking Iomedae turns you Chaotic Evil because attacking a Lawful Good deity is a chaotic and evil act of a magnitude large enough to cause immediate alignment shift.
People kept claiming that it was Iomedae changing your alignment, when really it was just terrible writing.
what's with the excessive anal retentive rules lawyering/whining about "broken" classes that's been going on for the last week or so? Did the new content cause them to awaken from their slumber?
>>46612339
Aside from the part where the thing you're attacking is clearly not a LG deity, given that she is basically waterboarding her own champions.
>>46612339
Insulting Iomedae twice also changes your alignment
>>46612026
You forgot to mention that some of the trivia is not even "what would you do" and is just actually "how much of a nerd on MY lore are you". She's fucking narcissistic as hell in this encounter.
>>46612339
>>46612026
>>46612376
Just wanna point out that some trans tumblr faggot on Twitter tried explaining to me how interacting with a god directly made WotR such an awesme and unique campaign, and that that was a big detail.
>>46612427
Well what the fuck did you expect, this shit is written for them at least somewhat anyway.
Posting because misinformation is bad:
As written, mocking/attacking Iomedae are chaotic and/or evil ACTS, no different from casting chaotic or evil spells. They 'affect' your alignment, but not to any specific degree (i.e. no instant alignment change as people keep claiming), and class-based ability loss only comes if you were being empowered by Iomedae in the first place.
The shitty trivia session with intermittent sonic-trumpeting is still stupid as fuck on all counts, and in general everything she does is way outside of Good, but let's get our shit straight if we want to call Paizo out for theirs being crooked.
>>46612517
Jesus this reads like a donut steel OC grade material.
>>46612517
This is literally the dumbest page I've ever read in any published content ever.
Like, holy fuck if I were ever to make the mistake of running this campaign, this whole segment would get the axe.
>>46612274
Paizo has a pathological inability to write Lawful Good, or even Lawful in general.
Some people have theorized it has to do with JJ, and many others at Paizo, associating low wisdom and Chaos as "that time when we were in high school or college and everything was wild and wonderful" while Lawful seems to be the realm of "boring, drab mom and dad." Paizo hates Lawful Good because it doesn't represent their spunky carefree lifestyles, that's something for "grown-ups" while Chaotic Good is for the rebels fighting for their rights to have fun.
Which seems like a stretch until you consider the types Paizo have written that are Chaotic, and those that are written as Lawful; Tessa Fairwind, Ameiko Kaijitsu, Trinia Sabor, Shensen. Coincidentally, they're all women. Coincidentally, they're also all described as whimsical spunky go-getters with a severe lack of appreciation towards the law. All of them are young, all of them are impulsive, and all of them have the potential to get frisky with the party. Then you get into the Lawful types, who all seem to be boring drab busy-bodies that nobody wants to really hang out with. Abadar? Blagh. Erastil? Who cares about him! Iomedae? She's the company punching-bag and confirmed "anal-retentive" one of the celestial planes. Most of the Lawfuls you'll find in the APs here are men, they're usually assholes, and they're usually old or older. Coincidentally, you'll find the Lawfuls that *aren't* assholes tend to play up the parental roles, such as Erastil and that one wizened old woman in Heaven Unleashed, even Abadar is arguably a "grown-up" deity (and then Cayden Cailean is canonically a young buck that acts like a frat boy, go figure.)
>>46612427
And if Iomedae had been written well it would've been. No need to be insulting.
>>46612580
>No need to be insulting.
Feels police! We've got a violation here!
>>46612517
>Mocking Iomedae is a chaotic act, while attacking her is a chaotic and evil act. Either action immediately affects a creature's alignment.
I can absolutely see where people get the idea that it changes your alignment. At the very least, it super strongly implies that's the case.
>>46612517
>>46612561
I would run it as-is, and then allow the good PCs to derail the campaign into ending corruption in the upper planes.
>>46612593
Mhmm, and now you're under arrest!
>>46612562
>Coincidentally, they're also all described as whimsical spunky go-getters with a severe lack of appreciation towards the law. All of them are young, all of them are impulsive, and all of them have the potential to get frisky with the party.
To be fair, considering the demographic that actually plays D&D, it's statistically likely that this is exactly what would appeal to the players in the form of a female NPC designed to play close to the party and possibly develop relationships with them.
I mean, if they main NPC the players were supposed to connect with was an upright, square-jaw'd Paladin with great hair who was also willing to sleep with them, it's probably less likely that players would be attracted said NPC. Because, you know. They're probably not gay.
>>46612517
>>46612624
Well, it specifically mentions that "either action immediately affects a creature's alignment"-key word there is "immediately". Given the general quality of the scene, wouldn't surprise me if "instant EVUL" was RAI.
>>46612517
>>46612632
Yo, I've got a question about all of this.
Paizo wrote all of this under the assumption the party will flawlessly pass all of it. It's not an encounter so much it is a conversation, so here's my issue; did Paizo ever offer contingencies if members of the party should fail here? What happens if a Paladin falls during this conversation, or a party member is stricken deaf, dumb, blind, CE and near a pit?
Like, do they have something in place for the party to pick up their fallen and move on? Isn't this Book 5? Don't they know how badly this will fuck up a campaign if a Paladin loses their powers or a player is permanently lost? What's their plan?
If JJ was DMing this and I lost my character because he got a bit cheeky with the bitch, what would he do?
>>46612654
>Not wanting a serious ladyknight that needs to be pushed towards showing her feelings for one of the PCs.
>>46612654
>I mean, if they main NPC the players were supposed to connect with was an upright, square-jaw'd Paladin with great hair who was also willing to sleep with them, it's probably less likely that players would be attracted said NPC. Because, you know. They're probably not gay.
What about an upright, fair-chested female Paladin with long luminous hair?
![[literally me].gif](https://i.imgur.com/zrHiWxn.gif "[literally me].gif")
>>46612301
Are you sure?
>>46612654
I don't think you appreciate just how much nerds in that mentioned demographic would love a ladyknight that actively courts their character while professing her love.
>>46612654
The demographic that actually plays D&D want to roleplay romance with other fat greasy neckbeards? I must've been really lucky to have avoided them all this time.
>>46612701
The idea per railroad is that you shouldn't. This was the first "god descends to talk to mortals" scene they'd done, and Baur/JJ basically made the classic DM mistake of writing a script and expecting the PCs to be actors in their stage play.
Per realism, assuming the DM doesn't just tone down Iomedae herself, the "deity's will" requirement can pretty easily be filled by... any other deity. Erastil, Asmodeus... Hell, go for the real swerve and have Nocticula swing in and break the curse. It'd set up her redemption-ascension arc pretty handily, coming right after her one-shotting Baphomet in the last book.
>>46612658
The confusion comes in because it says "immediately AFFECTS". That's ridiculously vague. Affects how? It's not quantified. And since there's no system of rating or applying numbers to alignment changes, it's not like "You lose X alignment points" or something.
The writers could have meant it just allows the DM to decide, they could have meant it changes alignment completely, or just "affects" in some nebulous middle ground.
It's shit writing.
>>46612517
You know, it's funny. I think my Chosen One would fail the first unspoken test - the whole "don't drop to your knees like a stack of bricks" one.
The poor boy'd be falling all over himself going all "is it really you?"
>>46612654
>To be fair, considering the demographic that actually plays D&D, it's statistically likely that this is exactly what would appeal to the players in the form of a female NPC designed to play close to the party and possibly develop relationships with them.
Wait, isn't Paizo's whole thing about being inclusive? Wouldn't that mean they should want to offer a variety of romantic options?
You're assuming all of the female NPCs are chaotic firecrackers because that's what people like, when it's very possible all the female NPCs are chaotic firecrackers because that's what THEY like. This is shown by how male NPCs not open to romance display the same qualities of spunky go-getting impulsiveness as the girls.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that we have yet to see a single case of a Paladin of Shelyn working with the party and gradually developing romantic interest in a PC? Or an anal-retentive Iomedae-worshiping Inquisitor that breaks down her barriers while around the ones she cares for?
Isn't it a bit weird that the only example of a non-chaotic romantic interest I can think of is Greta, a winter wolf?
>>46612749
>>46612721
>>46612718
Do you have any examples of these being written into an adventure? I don't think I do (Except maybe Aileena from like the original D&D module? The one Bargle kills?).
But it also may just be because the writers assume that a spunky, quick-to-flirt female with loose interpretation of the rules and thus a higher likelyhood of courting non-lawful, non-good PCs works better for enticing nerds.
Somehow, I think an LG ladyknight would probably be limited in who she would possibly court.
>>46612775
>tfw you will never redeem Nocticula and become her Champion
>>46612852
>Somehow, I think an LG ladyknight would probably be limited in who she would possibly court.
How so? A LG ladyknight falling in love with a filthy CN street rat would be the most adorable thing ever, especially if she struggles with her feelings because he's a filthy CN street rat.
Again, we've got a goddamn Neutral Evil Winter Wolf falling in love with what could be a Lawful Good Chosen One, alignment should not come into play here.
So I've got a few questions as I try to set up something to run by my group. Image unrelated for the most part.
>Can monster templates stack by RAW? Will anything break if I force two templates together? Am I an asshole for stacking templates?
>What's the easiest way to introduce someone used to only using 1pp to PoW? Classes, disciplines, systems, etc. I think someone mentioned level 5 as the "best" level to start with? Since I want to introduce it with a mini-adventure, I suppose starting level 5 and going to level 8-9 would be good?
>To a lesser degree, how about introducing psionics? I haven't actually touched it myself, but it looks enjoyable from just skimming it. I mostly looked at the vitalist though, in case I needed to toss a support NPC in for a solo campaignmuh safety net healing
>How much adjusting should I do to encounters to scale them for PoW? What about enemies that use maneuvers themselves?
>How big of a faggot am I for setting up one of the potential "final bosses" as a Half-Elf Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker wielding a Bastard Sword,with the Half-Dragon and Giant templates slapped onto her.
>>46612838
>You're assuming all of the female NPCs are chaotic firecrackers because that's what people like
Statistically, it is. Men want to fuck Ameiko, women like her because she's spunk and empowered and don't need no man. At least I think. I haven't seen anyone comment on Ameiko beyond "Ey yo lemme get dem tittays".
>Doesn't it strike you as odd that we have yet to see a single case of a Paladin of Shelyn working with the party and gradually developing romantic interest in a PC?
I guess? I assume most of the male writing staff is gay, so yeah. But then, maybe they're all writing self-inserts, and not romance fantasies.
>Or an anal-retentive Iomedae-worshiping Inquisitor that breaks down her barriers while around the ones she cares for?
Literally too complicated for anyone at Paizo to write.
>Isn't it a bit weird that the only example of a non-chaotic romantic interest I can think of is Greta, a winter wolf?
Weird? No. Seems pretty stock-standard for Paizo. Dumb? Sure. But not weird.
>>46612916
Yes, templates stack, just beware of type changes. Also there are inherited and applied templates, though for a dm that shouldn't matter too much.
>>46612852
>Somehow, I think an LG ladyknight would probably be limited in who she would possibly court.
>Lawful Good
Knightbroing into knightly romance
>Lawful Neutral
Ladyknight sees the seed of good in him, eventually realizing that such dedication to try and make him a good person can only be love
>Lawful Evil
>Not wanting to corrupt the ladyknight into a dominatrix blackguard
>Neutral good
The squishy nice guy she would protect with her life
>True Neutral, Neutral Evil
See lawful neutral, lawful evil
>Chaotic Good
The ladyknight cannot admit the dashing heroic guy is so attractive, enter tsundere mode.
>Chaotic Neutral
See pic related
>Chaotic Evil
You're a barbarian of orcish descent. I need not mention what happens.
>>46612889
>A LG ladyknight falling in love with a filthy CN street rat would be the most adorable thing ever
But it would be terrible writing that breaks the character completely. And again, waaay too fucking complicated for Paizo to write.
>Again, we've got a goddamn Neutral Evil Winter Wolf falling in love with what could be a Lawful Good Chosen One, alignment should not come into play here.
Alignment doesn't matter IF you're starting from a Chaotic or Evil standpoint. LG, by definition, will never tolerate non-LG people in that way. It's like how a fundamentalist Jesus-freak won't just mack down on anyone who isn't part of their church.
>>46612562
>>46612838
Why not a spunky LN go-getter with a healthy respect for the fallibility of authority figures, anons?
>you will never lawfully wed Tayacet Tiora in a ceremony officiated by an LG Hellknight priest in the lawfully-reconsecrated Temple of Asmodeus
>you will never stand on the balcony overlooking the orderly military parades through the streets of newly independent Kintargo
>you will never remove her nose-chain shortly before youremove her virginityon the wedding night
Anyone have any experience making a Knight Chandler? I've never made one but they look like a hell of a lot of fun.
Would it be viable to go with a Polearm as one or as a non-warder is it a suckers game to try? Honestly, if quarterstaves were not junk I'd have loved to have made a staff-fighter.
I'm looking at going with maybe Crane and Elemental Flux.
Any advice on must-take stuff would be fantastic, I'm not that experienced at Path of War despite reading it a good bit.
>>46612963
>Chaotic Evil
>not being a hopelessly ineffectual "villain" more concerned with being a card-carrying force of Mayhem and Destruction than with actually DOING evil - mostly because you're not quite sure how
>not having your big Evil Plan be to egg every house in Avistan AT THE SAME TIME by opening a portal to the Plane of Eggs
>>46612830
I was just looking at Chosen One and it looks interesting, but the thing that's giving me pause is the loss of Divine Bond. Is it really worth giving up the ability to supercharge your weapon?
>>46612976
JJ plz go
>>46612976
>LG, by definition, will never tolerate non-LG people in that way
Nah
>>46613001
>with a healthy respect for the fallibility of authority figures, anons?
Because that's not LG.
>>46613184
Evil doesn't mean "evil".
Evil means selfish.
This is basic shit.
>>46613253
Bullshit it isn't.
>I respect all lawful authority and understand that different places have laws that I may not agree with, but work for those who reside within. If a law is unlawful, I will work to the best of my ability to show them a better law or way.
>Corruption in the courts is the greatest corruption of civilization. Without confidence in justice, citizens cannot believe in their countries, and civilization begins to disappear. I will root out corruption wherever I find it, and if a system is fundamentally flawed, I will work to aid citizens by reforming or replacing it.
–Paladin code of Abadar
>>46613001
>LG Hellknight
Whut
>>46613275
Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains don't exactly know that, now do they?
>>46613253
Bollocks
>>46613275
Evil isn't selfish, evil is putting your own being ahead at the purposeful expense of others' well-being.
>>46613308
>evil is putting your own being ahead at the purposeful expense of others' well-being.
self·ish
ˈselfiSH/
adjective
adjective: selfish
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
>>46613275
Actually, evil means "prefers to take actions that harm others even when alternatives exist". That's where the line is drawn between evil and neutral: neutrals won't go out of their way to do good, but still prefer the nicer of two equal options.
>>46613344
>Actually, evil means "prefers to take actions that harm others even when alternatives exist".
No, it does not. In D&D alignment, Good means seeking to serve or benefit others before or at the expense of yourself, while Evil means seeking to serve or benefit yourself before or at the expense of others.
It doesn't mean "harming others intentionally". Though intentionally harming others can be an Evil act, it can also be a Good act.
>>46613375
"when alternatives exist", guy. Hurting others can be good if it's the only option, but given a situation where the options are "70% chance to succeed murdering the guard" or "70% chance to succeed talking to the guard", the good and neutral characters will try talking it out, where only the evil will go straight to murder.
>>46613184
This is more being a prankster man, at most egging every house will cause major annoyance, and at very most kill someone with a major allergy to eggs. This is a Chaotic Neutral character.
>>46613203
Well, at level one, the emissary familiar gives at-will Guidance and a second save vs. mind-affecting shit, which is kind of handy. Lay on Paws lets them LoH, so you can either double-heal someone or send them to heal a teammate while you keep fighting. Emissary Smite means you can share Smite, which can REALLY hurt, especially if your target takes double smite damage on the first hit.
Not a bad trade.
>>46613443
>where only the evil will go straight to murder.
Yes, murdering people in cold blood is an Evil act.
But not all Evil people are murderers. There's a reason an entire society can lean Lawful Evil, and not be a warren of human sacrifice and violence.
What are some good low level/cr monsters to fight that aren't your standard goblins and kobolds?
>>46613610
What's the setting?
>>46613677
Generic temperate forest? Idk, I'm running a low level one shot and I'm just looking for something interesting to pit against my friends.
>>46612949
> I haven't seen anyone comment on Ameiko beyond "Ey yo lemme get dem tittays".
Lemme fix that for you with my opinion.
Ameiko is a terrible fucking Mary-Sue. A literal former PC of the writer, who demands to be the center of attention in every goddamn scene she's in. The only reason she doesn't ruin the adventures she's involved in is because they were already complete shit.
There. Good to get my REEEE out.
>>46612311
Why? Contingency doesn't limit the caster level, only the spell level.
>>46613696
Wolves
>>46613696
Remember that a 1st-level party is expected to handle monsters of up to CR 5, and that singular monsters are almost impossible to fairly balance. Also consider that the CR of an encounter is determined not by the CR of the monsters in it, but the amount of XP each party member receives upon completing the encounter; larger parties receive more or harder monsters to deal with.
It is also important to note that a party that is fighting an exact duplicate of itself is in an APL+4 encounter; the inverse of that meaning any encounter at APL+4 is, ideally, an even match. Generally, you want to reserve APL+4 encounters as bosses, and APL+3 encounters as lieutenants thereof. Ergo, run of the mill opponents should be APL+0 to +2.
Unlike PC class levels, NPC classes (especially Warrior, Expert, and Commoner) are devoid of class features. They have weapon and armor proficiencies, differences in BAB and base saves, and that's... It. This makes something like a Human Warrior 3, Human Expert 3, and Human Commoner 3 a very simple enemy with differences in statistics and capabilities without a whole lot of work on your end. There are plenty of simple generators for this online as well, like dinglesgames or the PFSRD's big trove of them. If you're wanting to spice up low-level encounters, make up some local factions with provincially-minded goals (like X faction wanting to stop Y faction's logging operation), and instead use the environment (tangling vines, thick undergrowth, tall trees, gulleys and streams, etc) to make the encounter interesting.
For low-level adventurers, simple beatstick opponents that just make regular attacks in melee or at range are a challenge in and of themselves - try to either have large groups of weak enemies, or a pair or trio of strong enemies, in that regard. If a given encounter is an ambush, it's probably a CR higher than the XP of the monsters would indicate.
>>46613470
Do Chosen One and Hospitaler work together? The table says they should but the descriptions of the archetypes says that Chosen One alters Channel Energy while Hospitaler replaces it.
>>46614013
The PFSRD tables are inaccurate as shit. They aren't compatible.
>>46613988
Dude, I don't need an intro to DMing, I need some low CR monsters I can throw in groups at my party that aren't usually seen. They've played or watched enough to know what a goblin or a kobold are. I just want something they haven't seen before.
>>46613324
Yes, you defined selfish. Evil (of the dnd variety) is a step beyond that, someone who goes out of their way to hurt others or focuses on putting themselves ahead in a malicious manner.
Or do you think the street urchin who wants to survive no matter what is chaotic evil?
>>46613988
All of those things being said, there isn't a whole lot of variety at the low levels. There's a few things like Wolves and Grindylows that have some good chances of Tripping the party, and a small group of 1st-level Clerics with Burning Disarm and Burning Hands can be a big pain in the ass. I'm also a fan of pairing a Grease Wizard or, if you REALLY hate your players, an Entangle Druid, with fast-moving creatures that can quickly flank isolated, stuck, or prone PCs.
>>46614041
All of THOSE things being said, I suggest you... Make something up. Take an existing statblock, I generally just use low-level Warriors/Experts/Commoners, replace the armor with natural armor, add CMD against Trip if I add more legs, and then scroll through the Universal Monster Abilities page until I find something I like. You're the GM; nothing says you have to stick to the Bestiary, so don't. If you have exceptionally seasoned players, you absolutely cannot surprise them with a monster they haven't seen before - the ones that are worth using at all will have been used at some point by someone.
For the most part, Bestiary entries are just lumps of math with some fluff attached. It's rather easy to take a boring little Kobold Warrior 1, give it a Grapple attack with a 10' reach and a Racial bonus so it'll have a chance at working, and call it a Bindlewort. Describe it as having four beady white eyes and long, tentacle-like arms. Say it has feathers and scales and a beak on its head, and that it naturally uses its arms to sneak up on and snatch birds to eat. Or whatever else you think of.
And if you aren't confident enough in your ability to balance homebrew monsters to take this advice, you really have no right to say you don't need an intro to DMing. A DM with no creativity is worthless.
>>46614013
The table is fucked, always go with the description.
>>46612026
>>46612083
B-but she's a regularly young deity, you guys! You can't expect her to do a good job all the time! Give her a break she's not God!
>>46614107
No, Evil doesn't mean that you intentionally harm others to obtain your goals, that's fucking retarded. Evil means you don't give a shit if it happens, even if those people didn't deserve it, had nothing to do with it, or were even on your side.
>>46614158
It's majorly disappointing because Iomedae is one of the few actually interesting major deities.
>>46612517
She used to be so cute, too.
>>46614186
>it's retarded to intentionally harm others to obtain your goals
Why? There's a reason it's called Evil, not selfish. To quote the srd:
>Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.
Not looking out for number one, but looking out for number one while stepping on number two. To define Evil as just selfish is to paint a good majority of neutral characters as evil and completely lose the idea of them actually being Evil.
>>46612562
>Paizo has a pathological inability to write Lawful Good, or even Lawful in general.
>Some people have theorized it has to do with JJ
Why might this be?
>>46614330
To be fair he can't write Chaotic either.
>>46614315
Implies, but does not require. Alignments outside of Neutral are extremes, and have extreme behaviors; it's not like being selfish is a binary thing, you can be different degrees thereof. Being selfish enough to eat more than your fair share at dinner? Not exactly Evil. Being selfish enough to knowingly gorge yourself on enough food each day to starve your subjects? Very much so - even though you're eating it because you're a hungry glutton, not necessarily because you like watching people starve (if you did, you could just throw it in a hole in the ground, which would also be Evil).
>>46612654
>>46612718
>>46612721
>>46612852
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>>46612963
Don't worry guys, you cankillplenty of ladyknights in Hell's Vengeance!
So my GM is letting me play Path of War, but I can only initiate each maneuver prepared a number of times per day equal to my initiation modifier. I still have to spend actions to recover them. Is it still worth playing with this houserule? Does it even cripple the classes that much?
>>46614386
The latter's a concious choice to hurt other people in the name of self-interest, which is why it's evil. The former is doing no harm to others, hence it isn't. Evil isn't 'really selfish' it's 'causing intentional hurt to others'. Selfishness need not apply, an evil person can just as well be the person who gorges himself while his subjects starve as they can be the knight who is willing to sacrifice anything to further his evil lord's cause.
>>46614459
>>46614493
Why would he do that?
>>46614493
Your GM is retarded, or just dumb?
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/. Tell me aboutthe music you listen to before a game to get in character.
>>46614532
>>46614534
He didn't like how the last time I played a Path of War character I mostly used Strikes which seemed to out damage the less optimized characters in the party while having more utility than the other martials.
>>46614493
Honestly? While that houserule is pretty painful, most of the classes have a decent enough chassis that they're playable even without maneuvers.
You can manage fine, but try and convince him out of it - show him how maneuvers generally do less damage than full attacks, maybe ask for a compromise so you can only use each maneuver out of combat Initiator Mod times per day, but in combat they're unlimited.
>>46614502
You are wrong on the last point of your post - a knight willing to sacrifice anything is selfish, because what he is sacrificing isn't his to do so - lives, things, places, if his goals (which are to further his lord's goals) will be furthered by doing something, he will do it, regardless of the consequences for others besides himself and his lord (and, MAYBE, others with the same goals, depending on where he sits on the Law/Chaos axis).
>>46613298
They exist. And they are AWESOME.
>>46614590
Goddamn.
As long as you're not going Broken Blade or Primal Fury, then show him your list of maneuvers, calculate their average damage, and then compare it to the full attack damage of an equal level barbarian or even fighter or alchemist.
>>46614493
Does the sorcerer have to spend a full round action if he wants to cast fireball twice in a row?
>>46614594
A guy who does literally everything in the name of someone else isn't selfish by definition.
>concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
Sure it could be just an excuse he says to mask selfish motives, but I'm talking about someone who is purely and whole heartedly devoted to his master, not someone who uses his orders as an excuse to further his own ends.
>>46614579
Various themes from Metal Gear Solid series. Unless the DM plays some music before we play, then it's like, techno/anime mashups.
>>46614579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=107mmUTAYEc
Typically this on my Paladin. Gets me feeling all righteous.
Is shield champion brawler viable for someone who wants to be like Captain America or it just fucking suck and can't do that at all?
So I'm looking through Neutral gods, and I find this one throwaway line in the Nagaji goddess Nalini:
>Nalinivati has been romantically linked with the kitsune deity Daikitsu, although both deities deny this claim.
Tfw Ara-arastil has a secret snake girlfriend.
>>46614579
RWBY soundtrack is pretty popular for my characters recently. Two Steps from Hell has always been a solid source of inspiration
>>46614622
Many GMs have no idea how the math of the game works and showing it to them will just frighten them.
Then again, those who can't handle the math of the game probably shouldn't run it.
>>46614660
Someone who takes an order like, say, 'We need another supply of iron for our soldiers' weapons. Go secure one' and promptly goes to the nearest iron mine and simply kills them all and either replaces them with his own men or has their corpses animated into zombies, is Evil. It's faster, it's more convenient, it's cheaper and surer to stay that way, but none of it directly benefits the knight. That knight is Evil, undeniably so, and it is selfish of him to take the quick and bloody route to save his own time so that he can spend more of it on the next task. He's slaughtering for his own gain, but not for his direct personal gain, if he considers any gain his master has to be, by association, his own.
>>46614736
The Shield Brawler is decent for Captain America's stuff of punching bitches and throwing the mighty shield, in my experience. It is still a martial, but it at least does what it advertises.
http://hastur.net/wiki/Artiste_%28Apath%29
Is this archetype strictly better than a regular bard?
>>46614760
Yes, but the selfish part wasn't following orders, it was the fact that he killed people purely in the name of saving his own time. You're just adding a bunch of extra qualifiers to something that isn't in and of itself a selfish act. Again, how is the act of doing everything you can to help another person selfish? How does sweating, bleeding and dying for another person inherently benefit oneself?
My point still stands. It's perfectly possible to be evil without being selfish, hence defining evil as selfish isn't an accurate definition.
>>46614864
You can't say 'everything you can' if you spend time negotiating when you could simply kill them and move on to the next task. There's no moral limitations on 'everything'. It's not 'everything unless there's murder', it's 'everything'.
You're the one adding qualifiers here. Evil is always selfish, but the way it is selfish differs person to person.
>>46614747
>snek + kitsune
Oh boy.
>>46614579
Old ballads and fairytales set to music.
>>46613001
>removing the nose-chain
>>46614913
So he kills people purely in the interest of better serving his lord? Not selfish by any means of the word then. Again, serving someone else at any personal cost is a selfless act, even if it's not a good kind of selfless.
You seem to be saying 'being selfish is evil, thus being evil must be being selfish' without explaining how the heck serving someone other than yourself with no ulterior motives or self-interest is selfish.
>>46614814
Yes, significantly so. Also this doesn't make sense:
>He does not use the Spells Known table for bards
Whose spell list does the archetype use?
>>46615084
Wait, I'm fucking retarded.
>>46614330
>Why might this be?
I literally gave my reason later on in that post.
JJ doesn't "get" Lawful because he's an obnoxious nerdy slob that lives in the Pacific Northwest specifically to get away from responsibility because that's for grown-ups.
Man-child is the word that would best describe it.
>>46615017
If he shares the interests of his lord, and trusts that his lord would not send him on a mission contrary to those interests or waste his abilities, then it is in his interests to kill people purely in the interest of better serving his lord.
I don't know why you can't seem to grasp the concept of shared goals, even among subordinates. You're conflating loyalty and morality in a way that it simple can't be. Hell, the Lord doesn't even have to be Evil - he could be Good and simply ignorant of the means by which his knights are carrying out his orders, if they're ambiguous enough.
>>46613842
Jade Regent is good, Ameiko is a sweetie, and your REEE is appreciated but unnecessary.
Shensen's the one you should be REEEing about.
>>46613842
>A literal former PC of the writer
You're saying this as if it's something we don't know. That doesn't change shit.
99% of PLAYERS don't know that about the character, to her it's just a spunky asian chick with nice artwork.
>who demands to be the center of attention in every goddamn scene she's in
I mean...not really? At least, the character herself doesn't, the story might. RotRL has her be kidnapped by her brother (not something she chose) to be saved by the PCs (not something she demanded), and the only other thing she really does in that chapter is be present when Amele Alergast (sp?) is crying that her husband is trapped in their house with a goblin.
I guess you could argue Jade Regent, but Ameiko doesn't demand anything there either. The STORY has the PLAYERS discovering family's history, something she wasn't even aware of, and then she decides to sell the bar to go chase information. She doesn't demand anyone do anything.
>The only reason she doesn't ruin the adventures she's involved in is because they were already complete shit.
I've seen very few people actually claim Runelords or Jade Regent were shit. They're consistently rated among the better written APs and not remotely as bad as the worse ones.
>There. Good to get my REEEE out.
I mean, you're kind of an idiot.
>>46615084
>Yes, significantly so.
Why?
>>46615147
Wouldn't it have been easier just to say "He grew up in California."?
>>46614502
Your contention completely ignores the fact that, again Devils are Lawful Evil. As are their worshippers. Korvosa is a fucking Lawful Evil city, and it's certainly not because everyone is harming everyone else to serve their own cause. Hell, the last king was VERY well-regarded in the city, and his entire schtick was near bankrupting the fucking place by building ridiculous public works and living a rich-asshole lifestyle.
So I've been designing 4 disciplines. They are the following:
Bile's Lot is based around the central theme of the four humors. It is an area of control focused discipline, with many of it's abilities robbing enemies of movement. One of the central points of the discipline is your current "humors". Different boosts/stances build up humors of a particular kind. Other counters and strikes allow you to expend humors, with differing effect depending on which one you expend.
Transmuter's Triumph is based with the central theme of old world alchemy. It is a discipline focused on static buffs, both for yourself and allies. Generally these buffs come at a cost. Disciplines all have a particular "Transmutation" (these are listed at the beginning of the discipline). Transmutations give buffs depending on your initiator level. An example would be Soul of Gold, which at low levels gives bonuses against curses, and at high can give fast healing.
Fanatic's Folly is a discipline with the central theme of British occultism. It's abilities mainly focus on out of combat utility. Examples of this are strikes that disintegrate corpses, boosts that increase one's hearing, and stances that allow for extra senses. Most abilities have a lesser in combat ability.
Physician's Mercy is a discipline with the central theme of age of enlightenment medical study, particularly the understanding of anatomy. In addition enlightenment era psychology, with a central concept of Ego Death. There are two modes in this discipline that one switches between, physical and spiritual. Maneuvers will have slightly different effects depending on which you are in, and some will even change depending on how recently you switched. This encourages rapid change between them.
Honestly I am not dead set on the names and am wondering if anyone can help me with them.
(1/2)
>>46614033
>>46614146
Chosen One does stack with Holy Guide, however. Youngling Paladin of Erastil, here I come.
>>46615311
>>46605996
A few thoughts I have had to keep in the theme would be back alley cloak and dagger theme'd discipline.
Another would be one concerning pagan witchcraft which was also all the rage at the time.
Or possibly one taking from Aleister Crowley's writings:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley#Beliefs_and_thought
I am also making several prestige classes that will focus on these disciplines and open them up for others besides The Agent (any ideas on a different name for The Agent? Scholar doesn't seem good either.) Different name suggestions for the disciplines would be appreciated as well.
One problem I see is each of these disciplines have something to keep track of. As a Agent you may have active humors, an active transmutation, and an active mode for Physician's mercy. Part of me thinks that's not as complicated as keeping track of buffs, so what ever.
>>46608954
Bumpin' this request
>>46615259
I associate California with hyper-liberals and cheap Mexican food more than man-children, which arguably has a lot of overlap with hyper-liberals but not enough for me to associate California with them.
Pacific Northwest is the region I associate with man-children, it's like California only without the reasons to go outside or the actual ethnic diversity. It's literally the place you go to stay inside all year, complain about intolerance while practicing soft segregation, and preach diversity in your 95% (other 5% Asian) white neighborhood.
>>46615189
tbqh Shensen wasn't nearly as bad as everyone expected in Hell's Rebels.
I mean, sure, she's a blatant self-insert Mary Sue. But she's a statue with no statblock in her Book 3 appearance, and then she gets a whole one mission in Book 4 before vanishing into the crowd of Rebels Doing Rebel Stuff Offscreen.
After that, literally every mention of her name is "Shensen, or Jackdaw, or Lictor Octavio, or Jilia Bainilus, just pick an NPC, whoever the fuck, says..."
I get the feeling that JJ ran himself up against deadlines with the whole extra-NPCs-gallery, and whoever he got to ghostwrite was much more fond of Jackdaw's broken-bird CG than Shensen's wannabe-Mata-Hari act.
>>46615404
Unless you live on the reservation up there near La Push, like my grandad did.
>>46615452
A-are you a werewolf?
Does anyone know if Inner Sea Faiths added deific obedience for Lao Shu Po?
>>46615404
You should probably associate California with under-employment, homeless and massive debt desu senpai.
Which canon NPC is most sexable?
No Greta. Greta a shit.
>>46615501
No, INNER SEA Faiths did not include anything on a DRAGON EMPIRES deity. Seriously m8?
>>46615536
Tessa Fairwinds is described as extremely open to casual sex with the party.
She's probably the easiest.
>>46615536
Saphira. You know the dark-skinned high priest of Cayden gets freaky as fuck.
>>46615443
Her background is still cancerous Mary Sue garbage that puts forth the notion that Drow are proficient in crossbows and poison use FROM BIRTH and furthers the terrible writing choice that they are Always Chaotic Evil.
>>46615534
>Underemployment, massive debt and homelessness
I thought I covered that with "hyper-liberals" though.
Those are a hallmark of liberalism.
So, the human favored class bonus for Paladin is "Add +1 to the paladin's energy resistance to one kind of energy (maximum +10)." My question is since when did the Paladin have energy resistance?
>>46615566
Sandara Quinn is more immediately available, though.
>>46615536
Do you mean sexable as in "best at sex?" Or "easiest to bang" or "most desirable in bed?"
Because if you're looking for how quick you can go from "hello" to going ball's deep, that's either Shayliss Vinder of Tessa Fairwinds.
>>46615599
>>46615599
It's slightly dated but still relevant information (none of these numbers have changed significantly), but this image illustrates pretty clearly that unemployment has nothing to do with how liberal a given state is. or Dixie would be in the 3-4% range and not the 6-7%.
>>46615614
They don't... unless you take the FCB, in which case you gain some...
Favored class bonuses aren't universally "add +X to the +Y the class already gave you", y'know.
Do tiefling paladins ever feel stereotyped?
>>46615484
Nah, I'm 1/8 Oglala, only got enough blood in me to take advantage of social security and college, and gave me a sharp nose. Though my first name literally translates to "lover of wolves".
Still, that didn't stop him from passing all the family artifacts and heirlooms to my Mom, since he said she was "the last warrior in the family" before he passed due to Alzheimer's.
And then, when I'm finally off on my own, I'll inherent a little over half of those relics, while my sister will take the rest. Luckily my half includes the war bonnet and jawbone club.
>>46615621
Sandara Quinn doesn't have a segment of her NPC background that states she's highly receptive to offers of casual relationships, but actually getting her to "love" you is difficult.
She's canonically a fuckbuddy, while Sandara at least doesn't have a mention of sex or romance in her profile (I think she's meant to be more "big sister" than sexual partner.)
>>46615669
Stereotyped as how? Trying to compensate?
>>46615659
Man, Mormons sure are good at holding on to jobs. Must have something to due with thier bizarrely cheery work ethic.
>>46615662
I see. What would be the best energy to be resistant to for RotR?
>>46615371
Anon, as a general rule, taking damage to deal damage is not a good mechanic to balance around, especially since mid-battle healing is shit, and ways to self heal are more limited.
Even then, it's a low amount of damage in the long term compared to the injury you take.
Blood Armor is WAY too weak at the time you can get it. Con mod? Shit. Con score? Now we can begin talking, but it's barely noticeable.
Blood Spike is shit. Only good if you are surrounded, incredibly low damage output, and can easily be saved against.
The capstone is holy shit bad, a midtier feat as a capstone of a prc?!
By and large, you take a lot of damage to deal a pittance of damage, and as written, feats/maneuvers/etc can't be used in conjunction.
I salute the fact that you erred on the side of weaker compared to stronger, but this isn't good, anon.
>>46612562
The funny thing is, Heaven Unleashed has showed they can do LG pretty well.
I mean the Fortress in Heaven drifting off into the Malstrom is a great concept.
The shit with the Grim Stag? 10/10
They just choose not to.
So /pfg/, what game, movie, comic, webcomic, etc have you shamelessly stolen ideas from because they're cool? Did your players ever catch on or did you manage to get away with it?
>>46615659
Isn't unemployment overstated and fluxional In Alabama and Mississippi because like half the state are part-time farmers anyway?
>>46615758
Oops, nix the prc thing, but I'd definitely offer Diehard earlier, as it's more useful the earlier you get it.
>>46615758
Any ways to fix it then? I'm going for a good tank-ish, 2 handed wielding, with mild casting.
How do I build a decent Bladecaster? I can't seem to find a way to make this prestige class any good.
>>46615885
Dark Souls, Bloodborne, The Witcher, Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis IV.
>>46615170
I can grasp the concept of shared goals, and that's not my point. I'm not talking about someone who even has the same interests as his lord, just someone willing to follow them to his own detriment, whether good or evil. You then followed by saying that's selfish, when it's exactly the opposite. The hypothetical knight is willing to become a monster in the name of his master not out of any desire for personal gain, not because its in his own interest, not because he believes his lord is in the right but simply (and only) because he's been told to. Something can be in ones interest to do while still being motivated by non-personal reasons.
>>46615290
How does devils being lawful evil negate the idea that evil is intentionally causing harm to others?
>>46615885
My players met a martial arts gang that was literally the Wu Tang Clan. I'm not very clever, but they had fun so I guess it evens out.
>>46615885
My friends and I enjoy building characters from animes. RWBY in particular caught our attention with the weapons, but I had a player who literally used Sasuke for his Roll20 icon for a couple months. Another was using Sarkhan Vol from Magic: The Gathering (another source we like building people from)
>>46616004
>RWBY
>anime
>>46615955
One of my friends build his as Harbinger 2/Blade adept Arcanist 9/Bladecaster 9, IIRC. Int Synergy helps compensate for lower BAB, and you still end up with 9th level spells by 20
>>46615902
>Any ways to fix it then?
It will be a lot.
First, cut the "tankish" shit, that isn't happening in this game unless you are an initiator or you specifically make it happen.
Do something about the damage taking, or increase the modifier for damage dealt. Even the Vicious weapon enhancement is 2 to 1. Taking 4d8 damage to deal it out is NOT a good class feature.
Well, basics first.
I'd bump up skill points to 4+, because there is nothing wrong with having skill points, and increase it's skill list.
Either increase the reward for the risk of Blood Bane, or massively cut down on the risk. Remember that foes almost always have a ton more hp than you, and a healer type in the group is far from guaranteed.
Gimme a minute, I'll go on, hit me back on your thoughts so far.
>>46615885
Lucian from League of Legends was pretty fun in the 1 session I've got to play him.
>>46616031
Is there any way to make it work with Warder? I'm not huge on Harbinger's flavor.
>>46615885
I haven't actually totally stolen anything for pathfinder JUST YET, though I've taken heavy inspiration from Guilty Gear for two PCs I've used, and several more I intend to use. Might steal a few LoL and DoTA characters, and Dark Souls has such a wealth of cool ideas to use that I feel almost obligated to steal at least a few things if I ever GM.
>>46616004
I occasionally rip flavor text from MtG cards when I think it's a cool line and use it in my campaign. Three of my players also play Magic, but they never catch on. Last time, I had an NPC paraphrasing the flavor text from Wasteland and no one noticed. "The land promised nothing, and kept its promise."
I've also thought about cribbing some ideas fromHomestuckbut never actually done it because I don't want to just ham-fistedly jam them in. Definitely no one in my group would notice that, though.
>>46615727
Actually, it's because kicking out someone from your own church for typical profit reasons like maximal employee cycling (training's not counted in MY overhead, but raises and benefits sure are!), or paying below living wage too obviously, or shutting down the one main business in a town when all that'll do is put your entire congregation on the street...
You can't really do those and stay in 'good standing' with your community. Your wife's probably friends with them or their wives. Their children are in your class. As "fun" and "empowering" as being able to put folks on the chopping block and tell the rest how lucky they are to be allowed to have a job, no one wants to have to live on the couch or deal with "daddy's a bad person"
There may not be much religion has to offer us, but so long as you're also mormon, you're much less likely to be downsized, laid off or otherwise gotten rid of than if, say, it was some random person you would otherwise never meet outside of exactly at that job, ever.
>>46616183
One of my recent characters was a repurposedHomestuck OCand literally nobody noticed. Go for it man, it's an awesome lore.
>>46612701
>>46612517
So to clarify even further, as far as I can tell (and remember) there are not actually any penalties for getting the questions wrong. Iomadylameo just wants to get a read on how the PCs react when presented with overwhelming power and difficult challenges. If they demonstrate considerable knowledge about being L/G or her history personally, she's impressed. If they dont she doesnt punish them outright, they still pass her test by being willing to face a potentially impossible challenge. Its only when someone is dumb enough to insult a god to their face that the punishments stack up.
Mind you I dont have the whole encounter in front of me, so my DM may have run it differently.
>>46616250
They knew anon, they were just to disgusted to talk with you about it.
Is magus the best gish? If someone is already a magus is it alright to add more gish?
>>46616077
>Blood Bane
This needs to be reworked from the ground up. Anon, I exhort you to study the math of the game and how shit works out in the long run. That will show you by itself why it's failing to do what you think it will.
>Blood Weapon
Good at levels 1-5, then means nothing. I would suggest giving it the same modifier as a full power Blood Bane. It will at least begin to offset the risk of using it, and offers free personal healing to the character, as well as increasing it's uses per day, perhaps equal to level.
>Blood Blast
Has no range, weak damage, and it's only saving grace, stun, last for only a round and can/will be saved against, on top of self harming. Fix that.
>Rune Weapon
This is damn good, right here, keep it.
Just beware of exploitation, consider the spell list.
>Blood Shield
Not too bad, honestly, and can syncronize with feats that bump damage.
>Blood Armor
Not enough oomph. At basic max, 20th level, before buffs, that will be 28hp that's basically temp hitpoints. Either strengthen it, or give it the ability to help you shrug off more than hp damage. Expending hp to say, negate ability damage/debuffs/level drain would be great, gives value and the staying power you are talking about.
>Blood Spikes
So, has shit range, hits allies, scales up per creature hit, has a negative energy rider meaning it heals undead, reflex save can basically make it useless while the pc still eats all the downsides. Just no.
>>46615894
Not really? Even assuming that is correct they dont make enough to really qualify as having a job anyways.
>>46616130
I mean, you come out a bit tankier, and with a slightly higher BAB, but Harbinger is mostly there for recovery that plays nice with spells and 1/2 Int to hit
>>46615894
No. Actually in the majority of states unemployment is UNDERstated, only being counted while you receive unemployment. So you can have entire towns where half the population is living on food stamps after a local factory was bought out to close it, and "no one" is unemployed because it's been more than, say, a year.
>>46616250
Nah, it's not about whether they'd notice, I know they wouldn't. They have literally no familiarity with the series, much less enough to notice if I stole one of the various "Land of X and Y" as inspiration for something (which is what I'm most tempted to do, along with the game's mechanics for God Tier). It's just that there's gotta be the right context for fitting something like that into the game, and it's a little hard to do without either using a homemade setting or making it some sort of demiplane or something for them to travel to (which isn't fitting for the plot right now).
I forgot to mention it, but I'd also be interested in borrowing some ideas from Bloodborne for inspiration too, but haven't for similar reasons. The next campaign I plan to run though, that will definitely be drawing a bit of inspiration from Bloodborne.
>>46609610
>Assuming a DM will let you get away with extracting Celestial Armor's acp reduction.
Seriously.
Mithril, a Steelbone Frame, and either the Armor Expert trait, or add Comfort to it.
No need to pull 3pp into it OR fuck about with convincing your DM to let you extract specific magic item properties.
>>46616077
I'm trying to fix up the damage now, and am changing some abilities.
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/04/11/blood-knight-2-electric-boogaloo/
I forgot to change the skillpoints, I can do that now.
