Age of Shitmar Orcs.
Rounded armour, little flesh exposed, very uniform.
Some not horrific models, but I don't think this will motivate many to drop fat stacks of cash on game where blowpipes kill dragons as easily as they do goblins.
>>46596079
Mega armoured boss
>>46596079
>>46596163
I'm not feeling the WAAAAAGGGGHHH
How the fuck is this shitshow still going? Are there actually people buying this?
>>46596079
Orkmarines.
>>46596079
The Warboss is literally surfing the Wyvern like a fucking board.
>>46597159
That's a large eagle.
>Orruk
>Orruk
>Orruk
>Orruk
>Orruk
>>46596879
Not many. It's pretty entertaining to watch this shit though.
>>46597301
If they are dumb enough to do this to 40k I'll be genuinely amazed.
Isn't it ironic that the Free Company, a unit that stands in opposition to every single thing about AoS and its setting continues to persist on last chance.
Its just normal men defending their homes against the dark, something that has no place in this poorly conceived pile of shit.
>>46596163
I really like the huge dragon skull on his shoulder. Also, very decent stats and some astounding damage output for a footslogger. 7 wounds, a 3+ and a heal on kills make him fairly durable, too.
Shame about that Move of 4".
>>46596079
>green horde
>dominant colour is yellow
>>46597159
Charles dost not serf.
>>46597402
Will you though? Really?
It would be utter suicide for them to do it, but they'll save some production costs and that is -vastly- more important to them than having any customers at all apparently.
I'd say 60% chance we'll see 40K End Times within 18 months.
>>46596079
>Dey ended WHFB fer dis
>>46597442
Who cares about "real" people and "societies and that". All Warmun all the time's what the kids are into.
>>46597596
Beggars belief doesn't it? An abject lesson for why companies must never be left in the hands of people who don't give a fuck about their product. Yet they so often are.
I have a feeling rather than just shutting it down, they hope to churn out more races/kits to try to get people to buy their AoS products.
I'm guessing 40k is the only thing keep Geedubs afloat at the moment.
>>46596163
model looks cool.
>>46597737
almost half of GW profits come from handling the IP to vidya, so yes 40k is all that keeps GW afloat
and they replaced the marine at the front of their HQ with a sigmarine statue...
Most of this shit will be picked up by 40k Ork Players for bits and pieces and that's fucking it.
>>46597667
Disney did the same with a mistake of a CEO, a man who was more interested in money than making good product. Paraphrasing, but he essentially said out loud in public "We're not here to make dreams, we're here to make money!"
After souring relations with Pixar, spiking stock downwards in a dive, and flushing money down a terrible animation studio that defined uncanny valley, the board of directors punted him out and ran damage control as best they could, killing Disney Animation, patching relations with Pixar, and undoing pretty much everything he'd done to Disney.
Now we're seeing what happens when the moneymen call the shots and have no one to stop them.
>>46596879
yeah. it's been doing well among casual or new gamers.
its really only the old fantasy fans that aren't touching it.
>>46596079
>green tide
>mostly orange colour
Kek
>>46596079
not sure how rounded armour or lifetime warriors being armoured is a bad thing. It's kinda how its supposed to be.
First clear pic of the new monster
>>46597842
Selling models for bits is a poor strategy as only those into converting will actually be into it.
But the second damning factor here is that Orks are in such a sad state of affairs in 40k that who would actually bother save for personal collections and projects?
>>46597572
bah. end times happened because fantasy was failing.
40k is doing well enough that they don't have the need to try drastic change.
>>46597893
...Tigrex?
Does this game still lack a point system for models?
>>46597860
No its not, every indication is that AoS is a sales disaster.
New players are not going to touch it with those crazy prices. And its too expensive and too poorly made for 'casual' play.
>>46598000
it's been doing well new players because free simple rules and the same "its cheap" trick as warmachine where you only need a couple of the expensive boxes.
>>46598450
But it simply hasn't been doing well with new players or players in general. If anything its main effect has been to help unseat 40k from the top position and to make people play lots of non GW wargames.
>>46598646
it's probably one of those things that varies by area.
Around here its been taking off heaps. Probably behind only 40k warmachine and xwing.
>>46597237
For you
>>46599030
Why does it wear the mask?
Orkmarines vs Sigmarines
Which is stronger?
It really seems like this is marketed at 40k Ork players.
>>46599006
Problem is, it's all anecdotal for now and any surveys are likely to net far more people pissed off with it than happy with it.
But that there are so many accounts of people being not at all happy with it, to play or even just to stock, does point that it's doing terribly in far more areas than the opposite.
There's also been a whole lot of accounts of it scaring people off of 40k as a side-effect, which was unexpected. Though of course many have been looking for a decent excuse to jump off the 40k ship for a while, which is difficult if the local group doesn't do it as a whole.
AoS has certainly been part of a hell of a blow to people's continued desire to support GW, being far more of a shock to the system than the pretty much all the old annualised price-hikes, Australia embargo, Chapterhouse lawsuit and C&D dickery combined.
You can have all your anecdotes, the financial reality is that AoS has seen poor sales from the off.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/08/games-workshop-fails-weave-christmas-magic
GW will never release sales figures they don't have to, like sales of individual lines or games, but when your company releases a major new product line and your numbers get worse, you've done something wrong.
>>46599526
How about they just discontinue Age of Sigmar altogether, allow Fantasy models and rules by special order but slower updates, and spend their time and energy fixing Chaos Space Marines and Tyranids?
>>46599729
Rumour had it that AoS is stuck with at least a 2 year plan of releases that are absolutely going to happen. We're still in year 1.
After that, well, likelihood is that it will slow down, but that's because we're looking at a sort of revival of certain older specialist game titles (blood bowl for one) that will need release windows and all that, and it's not gonna be the 40k cash-cow that gets eased off on.
Fixing 40k armies isn't going to achieve much of anything. And it's not an either/or situation.
>>46599666
My own research shows, that while they seem to be retaining profitability, they are not doing much at all to encourage growth. It's why they can flatline their profits, but otherwise don't have much to show from it. A large part of it seems to be on their emphasis of "modeling not gaming" and their continued support of the one-man store.
Who better to judge an investor on the inside? Much of what he states is still speculation, but having been on the inside, I'd trust his assessment better than anon's.
http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop%E2%80%99s-revenue-problem
http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop-agm:-relentless-profit-machine
http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop%3A-denial
>>46597893
God dammit, I heard his charging roar as soon as I opened the picture.
>>46599049
Nobody would have cared otherwise
>>46600277
Was getting ridden by an elf a part of your plan?
>>46600291
OF COURSE!
>>46597820
>and they replaced the marine at the front of their HQ with a sigmarine statue...
I never got a chance to play WFB. No one here played it, and I can't find any Kings of War players.
40k might be my only option. At least I have Eldar... I hear Chaos is fucked and I have no idea how Blood Angels are fairing.
Age of Sigmar looks like it could be fun, at least for me who really wants to play a fantasy wargame. I don't like Warmahordes models. Not what I'm looking for.
>>46600367
chaoa aren't as fucked as the internet whines about. BA are loyalist marines so they're doing fine.
Give AoS ago, some of the local players should be willing too lend you some minis to try it out.
or maybe think about playing warmachine with other companies minis do like, it'd only be an issue if you wanted to play in tournaments.
>>46597596
No, they ended it for chapterhouse.
AoS exists for the same reason IG are called Astra Millitarum or w/e. And the reasons why they changed the race names to orruk, Aelf, etc are the same as well. Copyright. They cannot control or own medieval green skinned orc dudes. They CAN control Orruks, the 100% original creation of GW, and will shit fury on you for producing orruks. This is also why the designs have changed. 3rd party market
>>46600367
or you know, any other game ever. 40k is an absolute mess.
>>46600544
eh the name change doesn't seem motivated by copyright. otherwise they would have made them all copyrightable and not gone from their old copyrightable names too something thats not copy rightable like they did with elves
>>46600367
Kangz of War and Sheit
>>46600673
Elves are now Aelves.
>>46600740
yeah thats my point. They went from Asur, Druchii and Asrai unique and easily copyrighted. Too Aelf, the old english spelling of elf and just as uncopyrightable.
>>46600843
I believe in the context Aelf IS copywriteable.
>>46600900
the old spelling for elf in the context of elves isn't public domain?
>>46600979
Nigga this is the company that copyrighted "space marine."
>>46596079
>where blowpipes kill dragons as easily as they do goblins.
Except for the part where big shit in AoS usually has 10+ wounds.
Feels like the whole using a chart to roll is a fun concept for simulation purposes, but falls apart practically when you realize that the numbers you need to roll are always 3, 4, or 5.
40k and Fantasy aren't Infinity which uses a D20 system or Warmachine/Hordes where you roll 2-3D6 and stats actually go above 10.
>>46600544
Copyright and a desire for uniqueness (Which isn't something GW alone does, Bethesda and Privateer Press do the same shit off the top of my head) is the reason behind the name change, but it's not why they canned Fantasy. Afterall, they didn't can the Imperial Guard to perform name changes.
Fantasy got canned because it didn't perform up to snuff for GW, a combination of the rules for 8th Edition (Which while ultimately GW's fault, I don't think the fanbase is entirely blameless) and probably the fact that not a lot of people give a shit about playing with tons of toy soldiers anymore.
It's funny because this apparently happened to GW before with LotR, the SBG being quite popular and War of the Ring, the mass combat version, falling flat on its face.
>>46599971
GW main isn't working on Specialist Games, a division of FW is.
The only concrete proof I've seen with regards to how well AoS is doing as a whole is the fact that it didn't manage to crack the top five selling miniature games in the US recently, granted Fantasy was also barely clinging on in said charts before it fell off completely in 2013 and never came back.
>>46597446
That Ork shaman on the left kind of looks like the orc from WoW.
>>46601247
Even WoW orcs don't look that retarded.
>>46597820
While I'm sure GW gets a decent amount of profits from royalties, I doubt it's half.
And there is really nothing wrong with the above, it's GW being smart and doing something their fanbase said they should be doing for years. Of course their vocal internet fanbase is a fucking mess in of itself and sees no problem in suddenly switching their opinion on something now being bad just because GW has done it.
>>46597031
Literally orcs in power and termi armour. smdh
>>46601601
Fantasy inspired 40k and now 40k is sort of inspiring AoS.
To be fair however, there are heavily armored Orcs in both Fantasy and AoS, these just seem to be an elite version of those.
>>46600843
I never could understand why they didn't just use those names
>>46601056
Nah I don't think they were able too, wasn't it blocked in some kind of court?
>>46601762
You're in denial over how much 40k is in AoS.
>>46602273
There isn't 40k in AoS, 40k is space fantasy, and AoS still carries a lot of the core themes and styles of Fantasy even if its taking place somewhere else and with different names.
Is it really surprising that two fantasy settings formed from the same orginal fantasy setting by the same company resemble eachother?
>>46602440
>AoS still carries a lot of the core themes and styles of Fantasy
Lolwut?
AoS is nothing like WHFB in theme or style.
>>46602440
You are in stark denial over how much 40k is in AoS
>>46602494
on the surface superficial details like names or places are different. But at its heart the elves and orcs are still elves and orcs. They're just in planescape now instead of middlearth.
Most of AoS' sales are made in being a conversion kit for 40k players. That's why there's a much stronger overlap in aesthetic than there was for WHFB.
>>46602583
Saying that differences between Planescape (Even though AoS is way more Spelljammer) and Middle Earth is merely "superficial" shows a clear lack of understanding of either setting and the genre as a whole.
>>46599974
That makes for some interesting reading. Thanks.
>Rountree is an internal appointment and judging by his first annual report, the jury’s out on whether he’ll make any decisive breaks with the past. His plan for sales growth is a combination of the old, and potentially the new. The company will open lots of new one man-shops, its favoured format in recent years, but also some bigger stores in prime locations. He’s considering introducing new products at new, presumably cheaper, price points, which may encourage more people to start playing and modelling. The company is known for premium products and rising prices.
>But he’s also retained the chairman, who, it should not be forgotten, led the company’s dramatic growth in the 1990’s, as a consultant on a £200,000 salary.
>>46599974
>I’ve got bad news for disenchanted gamers complaining on the Internet. The company’s attitude towards customers is as clinical as its attitude towards staff. If you don’t like what it’s selling. You’re not a customer. The company believes only a fraction of the population are potential hobbyists, and it’s not interested in the others. The move to one-man stores has reduced the number of customers, sometimes by 30%, but the stores are profitable now.
So basically get used to GW shitting over lore you know and love, as long as someone's buying it, they don't care about the setting whatsoever. Love it or leave it is fine and their perogative of course, but the only reason we're even talking about AoS is because we like the warhammer setting
And from one of the comment sections:
>Likewise, while I do believe they have valuable IP (not on a level with Star Wars, certainly, but it still holds quite a bit of value in the right hands), they've clearly demonstrated an inability to handle their own IP well, as well as a disinterest in maintaining it, as evidenced with Age of Sigmar, where they threw out the entirety of their Warhammer Fantasy IP in favor of the new Age of Sigmar world. That might be something if the new one was superior to the old, but the replacement setting is a convoluted impenetrable mess.
Ignoring the hobby aspects and only looking at this from a business standpoint, this raised a good point. WH's big advantage over Warmahordes and the like is name recognition where anyone even tangentially interested in tabletop is at least broadly familiar with the factions.
>>46602648
Kirby was a GW consultant in the 90's? Theres no way they're talking about Jervis. What the hell
>>46603108
They also threw out WHFB right as Vermintide came out, which has been a huge success, and right before Warhammer: Total War is about to debut.
GW grossly underestimates how much 40k benefited from popular 40k video games like Dawn of War for increasing market exposure and drawing in new players.
>>46602063
Because Elves in AoS are seemingly more divided in AoS than they were in Fantasy.
>>46602273
And your in denial of how much Fantasy was in 40k.
Space Marines were an attempt to capture the popularity of Chaos Warriors, Gav Thorpe recently came out and said as much, if you couldn't already tell by how people would buy certain Warriors of Chaos models and kits for their Chaos Space Marine armies, particularly the Nurgle Chaos Lord. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if more people bought the aforementioned model to use in 40k than they did Fantasy.
Fantasy bits and kits have always worked in 40k because 40k is space fantasy.
GW is probably looking to see what they can implement from 40k into AoS rather than Fantasy because 40k came along and knocked Fantasy out of its preeminent position a long time ago.
>>46602828
GW usually only shits on the lore if you're a neckbeard who confuses his opinion of the setting with the reality. See the Fantasy players complaining about the fantastical elements being added because they somehow got it into their heads that Fantasy was only supposed to be realistic and only be about HFY.
>>46603108
Please, no one really knew or gave a damn about any of the armies from Fantasy besides Warriors of Chaos, who usually got confused with Chaos Space Marines.
>>46603297
There is a problem with this line of thinking and that is that 40k and Fantasy are the same in terms of time investment, now or in the past.
Just because someone is exposed to a video game and they take a liking to a universe does not automatically mean they're going to line up and pay money to buy the multiple kits they need at a minimum to get started, kits they have to put together and paint themselves. Even more so when they have a game like Total War that is possibly equal to or better than playing the actual tabletop game.
>>46603453
Actually I knew quite a few people that liked at least one faction in fantasy
>Skeletons
>Dorfs
>EmpireRip in peace tomb kings
>>46603582
Eh, I read the original statement wrong and thought they were talking about people in general, it's certainly more possible that people already interested in tabletop may know about the various factions from Fantasy.
Really though if you're primarily interested in video games or something like that it's much more likely that you know of the various fantasy races present in Fantasy from either World of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings. The former because Blizzard took something similar to Fantasy and shit all over GW in terms of exposure and the latter because it's the primogenitor that was also heavily promoted not all that long ago.
>>46602648
>>46603259
200,000 in 1995 becomes £343,400 today with inflation
>>46603453
this anon gets it.
i feel less alone now.
Could someone humor me and answer a stupid question?
I'm (obviously) not closely familiar with the franchise. What's the difference between Warhammer Fantasy and AoS? How do the two relate?
>>46604011
One was an old setting with a lot of love and history, sort of a fantastic twist on the world that had been cultivated into a living, breathing world.
The other is what happens with JewDubs gets greedy, breaks the entire setting, turns elves into aelves and orkz into orrukz ad ogres in to ogors, and lets Saturday Morning Cartoon writers take charge of the plot.
>>46604054
Thanks.
So they reboot the franchise? Did they stop support for WH Fantasy?
>>46604101
They didn't reboot it, so much as they murdered the setting and took only shadows from what had been. Entire factions got utterly gutted, few of the characters that people had come to love and know are there, and they got replaced with the various retarded models you see when people post Sigmarines, new Chaos models, the Fyreslayer duardins (aka Slayers from the old Dwarf line, except now you get to buy giant monster kits).
>>46604011
AoS is basically the new-52 version of Warhammer.
Flashpoint would be The End Times.
if that makes sense
>>46604146
Got it. Thanks.
>>46604146
Except Flashpoint was some of the best comics that came out of DC in the past decade and, in general, really really really fucking good.
>>46600367
40k is still decent, even if powercreep is getting bad. Play 8th ed fantasy, it's far better.
>>46602440
Yeah 40k is space fantasy and AoS is just fantasy in space.Why didn't you listen?
>>46604161
Yeah the comparison falls apart when you look at the quality. Nagash was okayish tho.
>>46596879
They've got at least a years worth of mini's backed up. They can't stop.
>>46604417
This. It was scheduled as a two-year release, and we're still in the first year. It's only going to get worse before they can even cancel it without 'wasting' the production time they spent on this.
>>46604011
AoS is fantasy with the "story" continued.
Chaos won and destroyed the old world. In the realm of chaos the wunds of magic expanded into whole planes of existence that got settled by the few survivors of the races of the old world. While the peoples have survived the cultures have largely gone completely and been replaces. Its gone back too a bit more high fantasy tone and and become a bit more noble-dark instead of grimdark. It has swapped from a "good" world being invaded by chaos too chaos ruling most of reality and the forces of order trying to fight back and reclaim the planes from the dark gods.
it's pretty good, though fairly different from the old stuff so there's a lot of hate from the grognards.
>>46604449
we have a list of the planned 2-year releases?
>>46597618
Hey!
There are TOTALLY all sorts of references to things other than war! It is ALL OVER the novels and shit.
And NO, I'm not gonna bother linking it, because you should just take my word for it!
>>46604871
I assume they're going off it being said that GW at least locks in it's release schedule for the next two years.
As far AoS goes, all I recall hearing is that 2016 is the year of AoS for GW.
>>46604933
Let's be honest, how much knowledge of the world in Fantasy came from outside of RPG books? Not a whole lot I bet. If it wasn't for Fantasy having an RPG as much would probably be known about the biggest cities in the Empire is as known about Terra or Mars in 40k, which is to say not much.
AoS is actually very similar to 40k in the respect of battles mostly taking place in areas no one knows a thing about, the only real difference is that 40k takes place in a version of out galaxy and is thus easier to picture and identify with.
Off the top of my head, planets are rarely gone into detail about in 40k and it only happens in some kind of supplement or Imperial Armor.
>>46604871
not that I've seen. it's probably the kind of internal document that stays with the higher ups and doesn't get leaked.
>>46596079
Anyone have a picture not for fucking ants??
>>46603453
>Just because someone is exposed to a video game and they take a liking to a universe does not automatically mean they're going to line up and pay money to buy the multiple kits they need at a minimum to get started, kits they have to put together and paint themselves.
That's as much if not more GWs fault for making 8th edition absurdly overscaled in terms of armies. Fact is that DoW did lead to a huge spike in 40k sales. The two correlate. The fact 40k has a lower entry point than Fantasy is just further condemnation of GWs business strategy and game philosophy.
>>46604724
>it's pretty good
You really shouldn't lie to people who don't know any better.
>>46596079
Maybe is they didn't paint the armour to look like Badmoons and just straight black. They might look more like Black Orks. But all I see looking at that yellow paintjob are power armoured nobs. and do the Wyver... sorry 'Maw crushers' even have tails?
>>46599526
Australia embargo? I mean I know we get ripped off by all you foreign bastard company's already but what happened?
>>46605157
>That's as much if not more GWs fault for making 8th edition absurdly overscaled in terms of armies.
While this is true, some of the blame probably lies on the players as well.
People like to go on about how GW said they don't do any research, but I don't think that they'd just decide to ramp up the size of games on a whim. The desire to do such came from somewhere, either the players, the Design Studio, or a combination of the two.
I lay some of the blame on the players after seeing the fallout that occurred with the release of AoS and the Fantasy players who were suddenly looking for a new game, but with the stipulation that it be mass battle. These people saw no problem with the number of models required, all they mostly complained about was how much it cost for the number you got, blaming all of Fantasy's ills on that and how things would somehow be better if you got 20 models in a box. Some suggested that Fantasy should have had a smaller introduction system akin to Mordheim, but the majority saw nothing but price as the problem and not time investment also being a big factor.
Go outside of 4chan and you'll see numerous people boasting about having collections of a certain army that are 1.5-2X the amount of points required in an average game, for what purpose?
More than others, Fantasy players didn't and still don't realize that time has moved on and that 40k and Fantasy aren't things your average little kid is raised on. They're now raised with some kind of electronic device in their hands and now possibly have more things to do than ever. No longer is whiling away the hours putting together and painting figures the only option. GW seems to have realized this, some of the players haven't.
>>46596079
Holy sweet fuck GW have absolutely lost it now.
Just end anything fantasy and release only 40K, cause that's clearly what they want to do.
Fucking hell this is horrible.
>>46605293
>While this is true, some of the blame probably lies on the players as well.
No business worth its salt, particularly an entertainment business, blames the customers.
>>46604161
I don't know Grimgor shitting all over Cathay and Gork and Mork beating the shit out of the Retards Four for it is pretty cool. And Settra went out like a boss.
>>46605016
>AoS is actually very similar to 40k in the respect of battles mostly taking place in areas no one knows a thing about, the only real difference is that 40k takes place in a version of out galaxy and is thus easier to picture and identify with.
>Off the top of my head, planets are rarely gone into detail about in 40k and it only happens in some kind of supplement or Imperial Armor.
Being to picture and identify with the setting is crucial though if you want people to o it the time and effort into building models, of caring. Even if a planet isn't fleshed out in 40k, there's still a citizenry to protect or region to conquer. AoS battles lose that consequnce where your actions on the tabletop have an impact on a larger imagined narrative.
>It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
>>46605339
>tfw when the death of Settra was literally the death of the entire Tomb Kings line
TOMB KING PLAYERS... SHALL NOT KNEEL.
And now I play KoW and have a grand time.
>>46605175
Ut's all a matter of subjective taste anyway. He can't lie. He can't be absolutely right either of course.
>>46605293
>More than others, Fantasy players didn't and still don't realize that time has moved on and that 40k and Fantasy aren't things your average little kid is raised on. They're now raised with some kind of electronic device in their hands and now possibly have more things to do than ever. No longer is whiling away the hours putting together and painting figures the only option. GW seems to have realized this, some of the players haven't.
This is not a good thing. Take it from someone who spent all their time when they were young playing vidya games. I missed out on a lot of shit because of them. I enjoyed every moment of it, but still I wish I had done some things differently.
>>46605331
When you possibly try to pander to an ever dwindling niche and that drives your product off the cliff, they deserve some of the blame.
This is all speculation though and the truth will likely not come out for years, if ever.
>>46605366
There are regions and such to conquer and even people to protect in AoS. One of it's major themes is Order getting together to reclaim territory that Chaos has been squatting in for centuries. However nothing is exactly as concrete as it was for Fantasy which at the very least had an entire world mapped out, at least half of which was known in some detail. This is the point I was trying to make, because of the RPGs there exists information for places in Fantasy whereas in 40k all that might be known is that the world in question is a Hive World or in AoS that the area in question once had humans living in it, but they've been forced to live in caves in fear of Beastmen.
>>46605416
Never meant it as a good or bad thing, just a fact of sorts. Take video games for example, if your taste is wide ranging it's quite easy to build up a backlog.
This is why I think skirmish games and games that come with prepainted miniatures have grown in popularity. Regardless of the expense, it takes less of a time investment to get started playing. Skirmish games are also more kind to people who may like to take their time painting and make a model look the best they're capable of.
>>46596163
>>46596079
Jesus I just noticed what GeDubs is calling the warlords. Megaboss, really? Orruks, Aelves? My left pinky toe has more creativity than this. Thank the gods that Total War: Warhammer is actually looking pretty good.
>>46605331
GW isn't blaming the players. they just did what the players wanted (massive armies ) anon is blaming the players because they at least partially pushed GW too it.
>>46605521
they're orcs, where you somehow not expecting a name like that.
Also why does everyone get hung up on Aelves? it's just the old spelling.
>>46596079
>GREEN HORDE
>Yellow Space Marines
>>46602634
Lol its all Elves n shit m8
>there are people who believe this
>>46605659
Exactly it feels lazy. This is why I dislike AoS. They actually put less creative energy into it than Stephanie Myer put in Twilight. At least that's what it feels like to me. They destroyed a setting that people loved and broke its child's legs, cut off its arms and dropped it down a few flights of stairs. Its a rush job, just pushed out on people for reasons and excuses I find lacking.
>>46597853
>flushing money down a terrible animation studio that defined uncanny valley
Who? Tom Hanks' thing? I actually really liked his 3DCG movies.
>>46605659
The fact that they changed it.
>>46605720
>>46596079
>>46597446
Do they all explode on death seeing how they're all wearing yellow?
>>46605726
Hell the only part I actually find vaguely interesting is the Lizardmen. But really Seraphon? Might as well just call them the Shexaltzi (I just pulled that name out of my arse And I don't think its any worse than Seraphon)
>>46605221
Australian stores aren't allowed to purchase from anywhere but GW or something like that, so can't try to get things cheaper
>>46605787
seraphon was the name of a dragon in fantasy. that's probably where they got it from. Plus its close too seraph and they seem to be going for a more celestial dragon warriors vibe now.
>>46601601
ITS A FUCKING WARCRAFT ORC ON A FUCKING PROTO DRAKE.
That's exactly how the proto drakes walk, that's almost identical to Gul'dan and a PvP armor set.
They ripped off Warcraft exactly.
Guys, will goblins also get armoured up? Will we get Golbins in tiny sized terminator armour?
>>46605889
eh I wouldn't go that far. Inspired by yes, Ripped off no.
>>46605898
pfft Snotling terminators I actually want this.
>>46605889
warcraft and warhammer orcs have been extremely similar ever since warcraft was a thing.
>>46605912
Shillary keeps shilling.
>>46601601
Shaman might make a cool Weirdboy
Other than that, i dont really see any conversion potential in this lot for me
>>46605912
it's probably less inspired by and more just common themes. There's only so many ways you can do an orc riding a dragon.
>>46601601
>Wearing flawless forged metal armour
>Wielding jagged stone shards tied to sticks
>>46599974
>Games Workshop’s trade channel made an operating profit of £5.8m and its mail order channel made a profit of £6.2m, but its retail channel made a loss of £2.5m, more than double the loss it made for the same period the previous year.
>The retail channel is Games Workshop’s Hobby Stores, which are being rebranded Warhammer and are present in many UK and European towns and cities. They’re of particular interest because of the strategic emphasis put on them, and because of how much they cost to run.
>Store running costs are over half of all Games Workshop’s operating costs
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: by clinging on to their high-street presence, GW are burning money. The stores are eating half of their revenue, it's an albatross around their neck. Other companies aren't faced with this enormous burden, they can direct resources towards supporting third party retailers and having a marketing budget, and they can expand rapidly without having to plow cash into retail locations. Other stores aren't faced with the challenge of only selling one product, so they can diversify their range and afford more than one employee, allowing them to run events and attract business. GW have physical locations because they see them as a great advert for the product, but their single-employee small shop approach is incapable of doing that, while sales of GW products alone can't support a larger location. Instead, business heads to rival stores, who have no great affection for GW and are more likely to support their rivals. The bricks and mortar business model dates from a pre-internet age, they have to ditch it.
>>46605720
It wasn't funny or clever the first ten times someone said it, what makes you think this time would be any different?
>>46605726
You are aware that GW drew on quite a bit of Fantasy from other sources, right? And I'm talking about history or mythology either, I'm talking about nicking Chaos and arguably Dark Elves from one author's series of books.
>>46605889
And if true this wouldn't be the first time. People have said that when Tyranids got revamped years ago they drew quite a bit of inspiration from the Zerg.
>>46605943
Looks like metal to me
>>46605016
>how much knowledge of the world in Fantasy came from outside of RPG books?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warhammer_Fantasy_novels
Maybe a tiny bit
>>46603259
>>46603732
You're misreading. Kirby led the growth in the 1990s, Rountree has kept him on in a consultant position for £200000 a year.
>>46605293
> 40k and Fantasy aren't things your average little kid is raised on
>tfw
Fuck it, my kids are getting WHFB minis for christmas.
>>46605293
>People like to go on about how GW said they don't do any research, but I don't think that they'd just decide to ramp up the size of games on a whim. The desire to do such came from somewhere
Hmm, this is a tough one. Who would stand to gain from forcing all players to buy more models?
What do you think, Velma?
>>46597893
My nigga.
>>46606110
Don't forget that the GW design studio was the very definition of ivory tower design. Those guys have been collecting for years and were playing huge battles anyway, so when management comes up and says "Up the model count!", they answer "Sure thing, everyone will love that! We have huge armies anyway!"
>>46606000
That's a decent amount of books, but I'm not sure you can say all of them flesh things out as much as the RPG books did.
40k has even more books than that and AoS is slowly building up its own stack. I'd say look at those if you wanted to know more about a character, army, or event, but not the type of information I'm talking about. Though I suppose AoS fits a tiny bit in that it adds new locations and such, but not a whole lot of information.
>>46606110
I know people like to spout that GW is dumb, but you draw a line somewhere. As I said, the desire came from somewhere, it could have been the players, could have been the Design Studio as the Anon above says, could have been both.
The Design Studio would also be a likely culprit. I wouldn't be surprised if AoS being so unfriendly for pick up games comes from the fact that they think everybody has a group of close friend or a club that they play with and not someone they don't know from Adam who responded to their post on Facebook or somewhere or simply a person who was in the store.
>>46606232
i know at least locally there was a big desire among the players to go big. When you wanted a small game you went and played a skirmish game like warmahordes. Fantasy wasn't worth bothering with without 100+ minis a side.
>>46606337
From what I've heard, 8E Fantasy didn't really work well at low points due to certain spells, war machines, etc. You basically needed to tweak the rules to make it work,
Are there any pictures not for ants?
>>46606399
Maybe later on, before the end of the week at the latest.
>>46606374
it was more extrme than that. it was basically impossible to find a game less than 2000 points, 2500 was the standard.
>>46605926
Give them some guns and they'd make pretty good Snakebites orcs, what's with the more primitive-looking armour that still wouldn't look out of pace in 40k.
>>46605998
>You are aware that GW drew on quite a bit of Fantasy from other sources, right?
Really? I never knew that. Gosh that's me convinced AoS mustn't be as shitty as I think.
In Fantasy all Elves were originally one race. if they are going to rebrand them as one race again the least they could have done is used a name that ties them into their fantasy roots as mentioned in this post >>46600843. Especially if GeeDubs is 'going back to the old lore' and 'really does care about heir settings' like some people say.
And it doesn't matter what the weapons are made out of. The weapons have a much more crude 'iwantothityouandmakeithurt' jagged look while the Armour wouldn't look out of place on the Dwarfs, Elves or Sigmarines. This would be okay if it also looked like the Orcs were just grabbing the Armour of their fallen foes and using it for themselves. But its much to clean for that.
>>46605521
>Megaboss, really?
We are merging multiverse now. Just wait for Tuska and Draigo appear one day in AoS.
>>46596079
>warboss is ugly Imperial Fist in terminator armor
>>46606504
To late Draigo apparently had a cameo in one of the End Time novels.
>>46605998
>It wasn't funny or clever the first ten times someone said it, what makes you think this time would be any different?
Motherfucker it is funny as fuck that their "green horde" has almost no goddamn green in it.
>>46606523
Okay, I didn't read that shit anyways. I would expect AoS Orruks to get shootaboyz as ranged unit now.
>>46597842
>Most of this shit will be picked up by 40k Players for bits and pieces and that's fucking it.
Just like WHFB.
>>46605926
Might pick up some heads from a bitz site assuming they're compatible with boyz/nobz.
Is the thing that is bothering anyone else the fact that they have an actual defined force organization beyond "Mobs", "warbands", and "WAAGH"?
>>46606533
the old greenhorde didn't either. orcs pretty much never had green armour.
>>46597842
GW should give them stats in 40k, 14ppm a 3+ armour save and slow and purposeful(ork players have enough bits to arm them with shootas, choppas, etc.)
>>46606623
Wouldn't they just be counts-as 'Ard Boyz?
>>46597873
>orange
Anon you better go and get your eyes checked as soon as you can.
>>46606610
you still would see the green most though. the yellow however draws the eye in ways that you'd only see in 40k if your army was bad moonz
>>46600544
Aelves is just Old English for elves/spirits. It isn't copyrightable AFAIK
>>46606497
>Really? I never knew that. Gosh that's me convinced AoS mustn't be as shitty as I think.
I wasn't really defending AoS so much as pointing out that Fantasy (and 40k for that matter) weren't entirely creative with a lot of aspects. Really the thing that is worth crediting is that they took so many different things and seemingly made them mesh together well.
>if they are going to rebrand them as one race again the least they could have done is used a name that ties them into their fantasy roots as mentioned in this post
Why?
The Asur, Druchii, and Asrai is what the respective Elven cultures called themselves in Fantasy. Cultures that by all means may be dead or forgotten in AoS. They could also be reserving Asur and Druchii for the Elves that follow Tyrion, Teclis, and Malerion respectively. It all waits to be seen.
>And it doesn't matter what the weapons are made out of. The weapons have a much more crude 'iwantothityouandmakeithurt' jagged look while the Armour wouldn't look out of place on the Dwarfs, Elves or Sigmarines. This would be okay if it also looked like the Orcs were just grabbing the Armour of their fallen foes and using it for themselves. But its much to clean for that.
I'd wait to see the actual models and such before judging, at the very least something better than blurry photos.
>>46606533
Guess what? They used a similar title for a picture in an old copy of WD when the Orks got kits and still had a 4th Edition codex. The picture in question was arguably just as much black as it was green since all of the units bar one were painted in Goff colors, the one was painted as Evil Sunz. They even had a unit of Killa Kans in the picture which didn't have a speck of green on them.
>>46606587
Not really, these seem to be in a similar vein as Black Orcs and they were always the most organized Orcs in Fantasy.
>>46601056
They just tried to claim it was. It wouldn't hold up in court any more than Chris-chan's Sonichu copyright.
The US military has had a "Commander of Space Marines" on their org chart since the 60s. The term dates back to at least Robert Heinlein, and is also a commonsense name for a marine-in-space.
Then again George Lucas was able to trademark 'droids so what do I know
>>46606750
>Guess what? They used a similar title for a picture in an old copy of WD when the Orks got kits and still had a 4th Edition codex
GW, still fucking things up years later.
>>46606640
I'm looking at the Orc models on GW's website and the only ones that look entirely green are the Savage Orcs and arguably the Boar Riderz.
The possibility also exists that they're not being literal and just referring to them as "The Green Horde" since Orcs are green and come in hordes.
>>46606776
Looking at it again, I'm surprised no one yet has complained that they used "The" instead of "Da".
Guys... maybe we shouldn't have bought all of our miniatures from the Chinese and smugly talked about how the advent of 3D printing would mean no longer having to pay for them?
>>46604054
i like how when they said 'there was nowhere to go in the setting besides apocalypse and aos', they proceeded to do something far, far fucking dumber than achaon being killed and the end times prevented at the last moment.
in a setting with so many potential 'outs', the only thing they could come up with to avoid 'betraying' the premise of the setting was poopy dooper's spess advenchurs, and yet they did everything that would have made the half-done apocalypse lame anyway.
>>46606783
it's a question of contrasts and what stands out moreso than necessarily being *all* green.
>>46606750
Aelfs are elves all elves. The three groups of elves are apparently called Highborn (sigmar's), Exiles (Malerion), and the wanderers. The photos aren't blurry at all just a bit small and while I can see that their is a little bit of pieced together using the armour of others. It's still way to clean and looks mush to similar to terminator armour then is good for it.
>>46606783
As for the Green Horde 98% of those models are yellow. And seeing as the Yellow really dominates instead of the blacks of the fantasy models. Calling it the green horde is like saying the main colour of the main sigmarine order is blue instead of gold.
And those orcs are really pale, The Orruk megaboss>>46596163
looks white with a green tinge Black Orcs are dark green to black. That's why they are called black orcs. If painted right I can see them being black orcs. Although they do need some head protection.
>>4660686
>>46606863
>The three groups of elves are apparently called Highborn (sigmar's), Exiles (Malerion), and the wanderers
Actually, these groups are broken up to further factions in the GA : Order book.
>>46606890
Yep just like they were in fantasy.
>>46606863
why does the colour of their armour even matter? It's called the green horde because they're greenskins.
they don't need to be visiually mainly green.
>>46606802
Really the only way they could have handled Archaon properly is retconning him to have never existed, which is probably hard to do when almost every army book you've released so far for the current edition talks about how Chaos is building up its might at the end of the timeline.
>>46606863
>The three groups of elves are apparently called Highborn (sigmar's), Exiles (Malerion), and the wanderers.
They dropped the first two in the updated Warscrolls. Now the units belong to their respective faction.
>The photos aren't blurry at all just a bit small
They're small and blurry enough for me that I'm not going to make judgements on certain qualities until they're up on GW's site and can be magnified.
>And those orcs are really pale
Nothing new, they've painted Orks like that before, probably Orcs as well.
They may not look like Black Orcs, but that doesn't stop them from being similar or even identical in personality. Black Orcs likely don't even exist.
>>46606956
This
As a joke this thing was okay I guess, but when you start arguing about it seriously it begins or border on some kind of mental disorder.
>>46597301
The answer is really really simple.
'Ork' can't be copyrighted. 'Orc' is too much of a well established generic fantasy term. 'Orruk' is just different enough that it can. Same reason they changed 'Imperial Guard' to 'Astra Militarum' or whatever the fuck it was. Copyrights.
>>46607096
No, Ork can be, but they didn't want it to be in competition with 40k.
>>46597596
Your other choice is no fantasy at all. WHFB wasn't selling. This is undeniable.
>>46599666
>poor sales
>they're down £600k
>they opened up a brand new studio last year
What?
>>46607096
but they didn't change imperial gaurd too astra militarum. they just have use the IGs high gothic name. They're still called the imperial guard as well though.
>>46607146
Chapterhouse Lawsuit said they cannot legally protect the name "Imperial Guard". Or "Storm Trooper". Or "Empire Soldier". Or "Orcs and Goblins". Or Elves. Or Ogres. Or Lizardmen.
Dozens of things were told "no". As in, public realm, fair use. Etc. Etc. So GW changed the names.
>>46607104
Actually it's probably to avoid confusion since both Orks and Orcs look pretty much the same.
Grot comes from 40k, but off the top of my head it's used sparingly in the rules and Gretchin is interchangeable.
Gargant also comes from 40k, but I guess GW figures people will be able to tell the difference between a big mechanical walker and a giant.
>>46607146
Officially they're the Astra Militarum, which is what they put on the boxes, codex, and other things, and that is all that matters.
>>46605293
You realise wargaming as a whole is GROWING even though GW profits are stagnant and sales shrink?
>>46607113
I am denying it. Give me a source
>>46607176
codex also calls the the imperial gaurd. the terms are used interchangeably.
>>46605943
I would imagine the armour was made for them when they were being chummy with Sigmar.
You know what I find funny? /tg/ always moans about GW. Yet for the last 10 years or so, every year I've read "GW ARE FLATLINING! PROFITS ARE GONE! THEY'RE IN DEBT! LOSING MONEY HAND OVER FIST! HASBRO/MATTEL BUYOUT IN 18 MONTHS!" and nothing happens.
Let's get one thing completely and utterly straight.
Warhammer Fantasy Battles did not sell ENOUGH. This is undeniable. You might have 5000 points of Empire, but 95% of people did not. I had 5000 points of Empire (old 4th edition) 3000 Elves (I have 1000 left, thou might buy recasts for kitbashing) and 14,000 Lizardmen. Plus some bits and bobs of Dwarfs. I am the minority of the minority.
But here is the kicker. I had no NEED to buy any more models. I bought WHFB to do display boards and dioramas. I played very rarely simply because there was nobody to play from 5th edition on wards in my area. I played with my mates Empire army, sure, but that was one guy. 40k ruled supreme and eventually took over the entire fucking thing.
So, now we've established that Warhammer Fantasy failed, the question is; why?
Many reasons.
1. The 'starting point' for an actual game was around 1500. This grew to about 2500 by 8th came around. 2500 points, unless you're running like Malekith or Franz on Dragon, it's going to take more than 15 models to achieve.
2. The models were harder to paint/make than 40k. Space Marines had uniformity to a degree which was not possible on WHFB. Outside of MAYBE Ogres and Lizardmen, the amount of different paints and skills you needed to learn to have a decent looking army was beyond anything that Space Marines needed. Funnily enough, this is a reason the quality of painting dropped on GW/FW, but that's another story.
3. There were too many factions. Go on, name the amount of factions there were. Done it? That's right. 15 factions. Not too many, right? Well now double it. That's how many factions existed in 1st.
[Continued]
>>46606797
Maybe GW shouldn't have raised the prices while also making the rules encourage big armies.
>>46607233
>Warhammer Fantasy Battles did not sell ENOUGH. This is undeniable.
I'm denying it, and I am not taking your word as gospel and I don't accept the argument
1: GW axed Warhammer
(2): GW only acts sensibly
C: That means warhammer wasn't profitable
because I can only agree with one of the premises
>>46607233
Warhammer Fantsy Battles sold ENOUGH. This is undeniable. You might have only 2000 points of Chaos warriors, but 90% of players had more than that. I have only elfs and a few dwarfs, but I am the minority of th eminority.
But here is the kicker. I would NEED to buy any more models. I bought WHFB to play with my mates at the gaming store, and to play with new armies I would have to buy them. I played frequently because I had people to play from 4th edition owards in my area. 40k was more popular, but not the only game plaid.
So now we've established that Warhammer fantasy didn't fail, the question is: why was it replaced?
WHFB made 35% of revenue less than 4 years ago, anybody who thinks it was not making enough is retarded or working for GW.
GW could have EASILY reversed its sales decline if they had the self awareness to realise it was their own damn fault.
>>46607233
4. The models were much more fiddly to produce. I don't need to link you Bretonnians to show you how much stuff was there and how hard it was to paint them like 'Eavy Metal did. Space Marines were more simple. Despite what /tg/ likes to crow, Space Marines have gotten MORE complicated, with more options, as the years have gone by, not the opposite. This meant people moved to 40k because it was generally easier.
5. GW concentrated on advertising 40k. In 40k's birth, the amount of advertisment and unique products given to them was larger than WHFB. WHFB was 'established' by then, so GW encouraged 40k. This included starter boxes with paints + brushes + models (something that /tg/ now screams is a sign of Age of the Emperor that they've been brought back) and as such, people were encouraged to get them. Parents were happy to drop £15 on a box of Tactical Marines with paint than £50 on WHFB army box.
6. 40k arrived at the start of a generation shift. As in, the generation of the early 90's was more interested in space and science than they were in fantasy. You don't need to have been born in the 70's or 80's to know that the amount of sci-fi or 'space fantasy' films that had appeared in the 80's and 90's was much larger and more numerous than low/high fantasy. This meant 40k was more popular.
7. GW was run (and still is run) by an old fogey. Tom Kirby is out of touch. We've established WHFB started spiralling down around 5th edition. It COULD have been saved. But it wasn't. Why? Kirby is an idiot. He destroyed specialist games segment, something that got people into WHFB/40k. He then didn't encourage rules to support LOWER model counts. In fact. 8th edition proves he was so clueless that anybody who argues that WHFB was successful needs only to look at it. WHFB is already failing. So what does Kirby do? He thinks investing vast amounts of cash into new big kits will solve the problem....
[Continued]
>>46596079
>Our high fantasy is going nowhere.
>I know, let's get higher fantasy! With soul powered robots and orcs in magical power armors!
Gughh. Who thought it was a good idea?
>>46607278
>why was it replaced?
Why does GW do anything? The same old reasons of greed and incompetence.
>>46607302
You never established shit, Fantasy was doing great all through 6th edition at least.
>>46607187
Are you sure wargaming in specific is growing and not traditional games as a whole?
>>46607218
Yes, but not on the cover or anything. All that seemingly matters is that the title of the product contains Astra Militarum.
>>46607258
It obviously wasn't profitable enough for GW or they wouldn't have canned it. There is no real other excuse to fall back on which holds water.
This is backed up somewhat in sales charts where Fantasy was lagging behind games such as 40k, X-Wing, Star Trek, Warmachine, and Hordes, before finally falling off all together.
It says something when your second product falls behind to newcomers while your flagship retains first place. 40k only just fell to second place to X-Wing and time will tell if it remains there or retakes the crown. Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't since it's going up against Star Wars which has two movies in the works.
>>46607322
>Excuse
The only excuses here are when people claim GW was justified in killing Fantasy or that Fantasy falling out of the top 5 was due to anything other than GW being run by idiots.
Again, during Chapterhouse WHFB was THIRTY FIVE PERCENT of revenue and those morons decided to throw that away?
>>46607322
>It obviously wasn't profitable enough for GW or they wouldn't have canned it.
yeah, for GW. But that only leads us to 'It didn't sell enough' without an asterix without accepting (2), which I can't, and you evidentely don't either, as 7. shows.
Can you show me your sales charts?
>>46607302
8. He then decided to ruin this idea by going "Make hordes OP!". This, in his brilliant mind, is the solution. If Hordes are so powerful, that will surely make people spend MORE money on boxes in order to get the 50 they need to be viable. That's surely the solution, right? I mean it won't be like Skaven or Orcs or VC or TK players will need to buy vastly more than everybody else, will it? This, obviously, put the average point minimum through the roof. This, of course, meant that Little Timmy couldn't get the $200 to buy 1/4 of the army. Yet 40k was there, where $200 would get much more bang for your buck.
9. Bloated rules that many players did not want to have to wade through. Especially children.
10. Finally, the Chapter House lawsuit. It proved their products were not defensible and therefore ending WHFB would allow them to protect their names.
In short, WHFB failed due to changes in attitude (Sci-Fi more popular) changes in old guard phasing out, lack of interest from new players, their prime demographic (kids) not being able to convince parents to splash large sums of cash and finally, making even the die-hard players feel alienated by making stupid ass fucking rules.
>>46607278
I've explained why it was replaced. You don't replace a successful product. Remember "New Coke"? It wasn't successful, so they went back to the old one. Coke sells. You don't REPLACE a good product.
[Bob]: "Hey Tim, you know that burger we make, with the meat patties?"
[Tim]: "Yeah Bob, I am aware. It's an amazing seller. 35% of our income comes from it! What a great product, eh?"
[Bob]: "Yeah, here's the thing. I'm afraid of money, you know, as a business owner. So I'm going to replace the meat patties with already chewed bubblegum!"
[Tim]: "BRILLIANT! THAT'LL MAKE US MORE MONEY! ENDING A PRODUCT THAT IS APPARENTLY SUCCESSFUL!"
>>46606536
He wasn't explicitly named. He was just a warrior from the warp with grey armour.
>>46607258
>This product sells well
>Oh, cool.
>Know what I'm going to do? Throw it out.
>Perfect flawless logic!
you'd do well in business anon, not even that faggot, but jesus fucking christ.
>>46607316
>games does well!
>replace it
"no".
>>46607377
>>46607386
>GW makes good decisions!
>All decisions GW make are based on necessity, rather than prestige/overambitiousness
Those are your premises. Neither of these things are true.
>>46607344
40k still sells well enough, this means that either GW aren't idiots and something was wrong with Fantasy or they were idiots, but only with Fantasy, which stills means there was something wrong with it.
>>46607349
I'm not that Anon.
http://icv2.com/articles/games/view/27069/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-lines-summer-2013
This is the last year that Fantasy appeared on a sales chart, by Fall 2013 it had fallen off.
Of course I fully expect to you brush this off by using the excuse that it only counts US retailers.
>>46605917
Maybe initially but honestly they're quite different right now. Originally Blizzard ripped off fantasy Orcs but by now they no longer angry wild murderers but friendly shamanistic noble savages.
>>46607344
If you read my multiple posts (I'm not that guy you replied to) I've explained that one of the reasons was GW being run by a fucking idiot. Tom Kirby isn't a scapegoat, he is literally the person to blame for this.
The new guy, what's his name.. Rowntree? He's trying to salvage the fucking situation while Kirby exists as some other important guy in the chain.
1. Rowntree released Ad Mech. This was well received and I bought some.
2. Rowntree released Knight Titans. This was well received until they were on the table.
3. Rowntree released new board games (Execution Force, Battle of Calth and Deathwatch)
4. Rowntree has spent a large sum of money on a new design studio for bringing back old Specialist Games. A studio that Kirby shut down cause he's a dick.
GW isn't perfect, no way, but they have improved. Is AoS a 'good' game? No. Is it a casual game that will help encourage people to get into the hobby? Very much so.
Time will tell if this is a successful venture.
>>46607412
no, I don't, I take that chart at face value. thanks.
>>46607399
>game is 4th most sold in whole industry
>replace it
"yes"
and you know why? Because greed and overstated ambition. Not because of some form of necessity.
>>46596079
>>46597446
The yellow and black scheme doesn't fit imho. It would've been better if they had gone with red-black or black-white for them.
Right now they look like a bunch of Orks that looted an Imperial Fists armoury.
>>46607412
All the problems with Fantasy were caused by GW and they were fixable.
GW is run by morons who do not understand the value of having several smaller games in your universes that can draw people in, does it surprise you they would think making less than 40k automatically makes something not worth keeping?
>>46596079
I fucking wish WHFB had gotten as many updates as AoS is getting now. If it had so many updates no doubt the game would have sold a lot more.
>>46607405
did i say that? i just said you don't end a fucking successful product. if it was 35% (again, nobody has produced evidence for this) then you don't fucking end it.
>>46607438
AoS won't encourage anybody, its too expensive and the rules are awful for casual players.
Its also fatally damaged what little credit GW had left with wargamers.
>>46607412
How many updates did WHFB get per year before the end times? 1-2 army updates here and there, that's it.
Look at fucking 40k, they are getting new units almost every month, and now they are getting new armies every couple of months.
With a release schedule like that of course it sells!
>>46607441
2013, anon. 2013. Not 2015 when AoS came. Re-read what he said. It had fallen off the chart by then.
Look. You have two choices.
Either GW ended a successful product.
or
WHFB wasn't as successful as you claim.
Again, waiting on the 35% proofs.
>>46607456
no, you used it as an implied premise, and you do it here again.
The "You" that doesn't end a succesful product is a sensible company. But GW isn't a sensible product, they'd end a product that's not AMAZING enough. It was the fourth best selling game in the whole industry, as we have evidence for.
If GW
a.) makes stupid decisions
and
b.) decisions based on pride
then they might very well end a product we would consider succesful
>>46607462
>too expensive
>rules are awful for casual players
Not anywhere near as much as WHFB tho
>>46596079
It must really suck to drop all that money and have your sales decrease.
>>46607462
Okay, so, if that's true. GW will be dead within the year. Just like all those other times, eh?
>>46607473
waiting on your proof then. When did it fall off, by how much, where is your source.
I pick GW ended a succesful product. And why? because they thought they could make a megasuccesful product in it's stead.
It's simply not self evident that something that gets ended is also not profitable.
>>46607462
>awful for casual players
I'm sure reading a 400 page BRB on top of a 100 page rulebook is much better!
Don't forget to paint those 500 zombies, anon! Gotta have extra for summoning! :^) Don't forget those blocks of 100 Clan Rats! Gotta make sure they're Stubborn!
>>46607474
yes, 2013, not 2014 or 2015, 2013.
so, find me 2014 and 2015... cause they weren't on the chart iirc.
also, where is this 35% revenue evidence?
>>46607483
What is your fucking problem?
AoS has been a disaster, pretending otherwise is ridiculous.
>>46607479
No, Warhammer had actual rules which helps. And if you did play skirmish the price per model was only high instead of insane.
Are you people repeating criticisms of 8th as if Warhammer fans did not share them mentally challenged or just desperate to find ANY way to defend AoS?
Everyone knows 8th was a trainwreck and that it scaled down poorly, that does not justify AoS, make it a good game or make its models not obscenely overpriced.
>>46607500
I don't have the 35% evidence, and I have never claimed 35%. I have no idea if fantasy was profitable or not.
What I claimed was that your argument was falacious. You have no evidence, your arguments are based on disputable premises, but you act like it's all self evident and well reasoned for.
And now, as if I was the one making the positive claim, you want me to find the sources that show that your claim of them not being profitable is wrong?
No. My point is not that warhammer was succesful or not, I couldn't give a crap, I don't even play it, nor wargaming in general. My point is that you argue like a retarded child.
>>46607487
>Hey anon, could you provide proof of the 35% claim
>n-n-n-o y-y-y-you pp-p-p-pp-prove y-y-y-your s-s-s-stuff
Okay, I will. If you don't come back with the 35% evidence, you're a shitposter.
>>46607534
>no evidence
Shitposter CONFIRMED.
See >>46607542
>retarded child
Ad hom.
Nice. Shitposter defo confirmed. Come back when you can act like an adult and not throw insults.
>>46607549
Shut up, Carnac.
>>46607542
I don't, because I never made that claim. There are many people on the internet.
And awesome, finally we've got the first piece of okay evidence in this whole thread.
And it took us only what, 226 posts?
>>46607534
>You have no evidence
not that faggot, but didnt u see >>46607412
it says right fucking there that it dropped off after fall 2013?
you did good bait those, u really pissed him off, got angry (You)'s!
You heard it here folks, not blindly believing GW is right and knows what the hell you are doing makes you a shitposter.
Got to love how these mewling bootlickers always ignore the fact its GW's fault fantasy started declining.
>>46607450
>GW is run by morons who do not understand the value of having several smaller games in your universes that can draw people in
Only because of production error and then possibly later on because of the sales of Dreadfleet.
Gw however has seemingly turned over a new leaf, having already produced three board games with two more in the pipe and the intention to bring back another this summer.
They also gave FW the full go ahead to work on both Bloodbowl and LotR with the possibility of more coming, such as Epic.
>>46607526
The people left over certainly didn't see any problems with 8E and if they did they thought a simple price change or increase in model size (Without changing the price of the kit) would fix everything.
>>46607549
>Ad hom.
The object of the argument was you and your ability to argue. So calling you a retarded child (which I didn't do, only your argumentation style) is completely within the scope of the argument.
and
>See >>46607542
would have been nice if you had produced that in the prolonged discussion of how it's self evident that you're right.
I like them so far
>>46607552
yeah, I'm not that fucking faggot, i couldn't give a fucking toss about AoS, but this meme that WHFB was some kind of amazing ultra selling product is a fucking meme and needs to end. Other people have pointed this out already like a dozen posts above. People just ignore it to shitpost.
>>46607556
Yet you said I had no evidence when the evidence was posted earlier in the thread. Hell, somebody ELSE linked it you and provided a fucking website. All you had to do was go into it.
>>46607566
>increase in model size
What are you talking about? The big kits were hugely controversial. Many people who played it are more than willing to criticise its rules.
>>46607564
No, what makes you a shitposter is gonig "You have no evidence" when evidence was posted earlier in the thread. Ignoring evidence and then going "no ur wong xDD" is shitposting.
GW is at fault for WHFB failing. I've never denied that. But the meme that WHFB was super successful (which is fucking contradictory to the claim that GW fucked it up) isn't true. It dropped sharply after 8th. It was the final nail.
>>46607506
Never denied that, but your claim that it's ended their last shred of respect would surely mean the end of the company.
I mean, if /tg/, DakkaDakka and Whineseer don't support it, nobody will! GW IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE KING!
In AoS a unit of 30+ goblins with spear attack with 3+4+, they deal 1 rend 0 damage for every 3 goblins. To kill a giant(5+ save 12 wounds), you need 54 goblins.
In 8th ed, goblins vs giant mean that 4+6+, deal 1 wound for every 12 goblins. To kill a giant(6), you need 72 goblins! And it is impossible due to rank and file.
Wait... so, how is this much different? Is my math wrong?
>>46607586
The amount of models you get per box. I guess going back to 20 like older kits perhaps.
Thing is, there would still be minor price increase for this, though going by 40k it probably would be minor at best because Troops and Core are guaranteed sellers by dint that they're a requirement. However, if time investment is a factor, making the kits contain more models doesn't address it at all, at best you've maybe made it hurt a little bit less financially.
>>46607575
>same format
>same I am right smug attitude
Sure thing, Carnac
>>46607662
>same format
by your logic >>46607615 >>46607564 >>46607534 >>46607506 >>46607487 >>46607474
Are that humoungous faggot because they type the same and are fucking smug
"Still waiting on that evidence"
"retarded child"
"implied premise"
Etc. I couldn't give a FUCK about AoS. WHFB failed after 35 years and there is evidence for it.
>>46605293
The desire to do so came from wishing to sell more models.
Bigger army size = more models that need to be purchased = more money for GW.
That is until people thought this was bullshit and stopped playing 8th edition.
>>46607720
That's what I said in >>46607377
WHFB was dying from 5th onwards. Instead of trying to save it, Kirby killed it with retarded choices.
"If Hordes are OP, then that means everybody will buy more boxes!"
Forgetting that Little Timmy and Daddys Credit Card are his main customers, not the guys who already have multiple armies. So Little Timmy didn't bother.
>>46607720
well 40k has had similar things happening throughout the editions and people still play it the 5th edition leafblowers and razorback MSU is gone
>>46607750
>WHFB was dying from 5th onwards
1post in this thread, I think WHFB reach the peak@6th edition, then GW focus their resource in 40k, due to DoW boom?
No pictures that aren't for ants yet?
>>46607833It's gonna be shit anyway.
>>46596163
How come they're called Megabosses if they aren't wearing Mega Armour?
>>46607862they are
>>46607848
Of course but I want to see how shit in detail.
>>46607447
Thats what happens when a colourblind Autist is in charge of the palette used. There are apparently some alt schemes that look better.
Evey Metal wanted to do them in heavliy weathered metals/blacks but was shouted down my Alan Merret
The real scapegoat your looking for is good old Alan guys. Pretty much every fucktareded decision regarding games workshops lines has come from him.
>>46607986
>Alan Merret
Sauce?
I heard a few retard gossip about Alan, but never confirmed by a solid sauce.
>>46607613
You'd be probably quicker to kill the giant in AoS, since the goblins can surround it with pile-in moves, stab it from multiple lines thank to the spears' range and thus bring overall more attacks to bear against it.
>>46607542
Nice data. Is this from a single distributor? And is it global or US data?
(Those are genuine curiosity-questions, not gotchas attempting to prove AoS is doing well; I don't really give a shit about Aos).
