>“The appetite for new games just disappeared,” he said.
>“But I have to say that this was not due to the concept being wrong, I think it was due to them not having the sophistication to manage the stock or manage the new sales divisions that had been created.
>“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.”
Were Rick and Bryan correct about this?
http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/
>>46573630
>Were Rick and Bryan correct about this?
see for yourself
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Warhammer?N=102253+4294965341+4294965226&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat
>>46573932
lol. 110 leaf bucks for 2 cavalry guys. Skubtastic
>>46573932
>>46574127
I bought an Elf King on Dragon for $70 at an Australian LGS.
GW wants $240 for a way fucking uglier dragon, fuck me
>>46574127
When metal terminator prices finally reached $5ea, I thought Citadel had lost their damn minds.
Now it's $10. For plastic.
PLASTIC!
>>46573932
holy FUCK they're not even metal!
When I first bought in to Warhammer a godamn BOX of metal Cold One Knights was like $40.
>>46573630
>Were Rick and Bryan correct about this?
Probably. The current stuff is a shitshow. AoS blows in every way possible, and 40k is being driven into the shitter.
>>46577589
I've was looking at getting back into 40k...
At least my armies are Blood Angels and Eldar. Games Workshop has been doing a terrible job with the games portion. I'm assuming BA aren't shit since they're SM. The real craving I have is a decently balanced mini game.
>>46577716
Yo.
Ain't perfect at the high-end of tournament play, but casual play is close to perfectly balanced.
Anyway the same guy has won World Championships 3 times running.
>>46578017
>Ain't perfect at the high-end of tournament play, but casual play is close to perfectly balanced.
See, all that means is that in your local meta, you don't have anyone playing competitive armies. That's good for you, but doesn't make the rules well-balanced.
>>46578116
You're mistaken. I live in Minneapolis, m8.
15 minute drive to FFG headquarters.
Casual X-wing nights - two or thee nights a week at just that store - bring in 20-40 people for pickup games or a chill tournament. Many of them are practicing for major tournaments with top-meta lists, and many of them are just flying whatever it is they want to fly.
So again.
Balance isn't perfect, but it is pretty fucking good. A good player with a casual list will utterly crush a bad player with a top-tier list.
>>46578360
I don't think X-Wing meta factors much into playing 40k
>>46578436
I think he was suggesting I >>46577716 play X-wing.
>>46578436
>>46577716
>The real craving I have is a decently balanced mini game.
>>46573932
The fact that someone has almost certainly actually paid the $720 bucks they are asking for the drakesworn temple makes me feel bad about the state of humanity.
>>46577716
that game already exists and its called Infinity. I literally can not recommend it enough
>>46577716
The 40k you once knew is dead. In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only Lords of War.
>>46578017
>casual play is close to perfectly balanced
Wow. That is objectively wrong in so many ways. How you could even think that is baffling. Either you dont play this game, ever, at all. Or youre a myopic Tau/Eldar/Necron/WarConvo/Demi-Company/Skyhammer retard. Whatever the case, it's possible that you're mildly retarded.
>>46578360
Ah, a contrarian. I'm willing to bet you own a fedora, and are a pseudo-intellectual faggot.
>>46582323
Apparently the shitty post you quoted is talking about XWing even though it has nothing to do with the one it quoted
>>46582372
Ah ok. Ive seen some retarded shit on /tg/, but calling 40k 'close to perfectly balanced' wouldve been hall of fame level stupid.
>>46582359
>Oh look someone said something I dislike, I bet they are a bad person
>>46582372
>person one asks for balanced mini game
>person two posts picture of person talking about x-wing with "hey this game is balanced"
>you get confused
>>46582372
The post that was quoted said they were looking for a good minigame. The guy recommended x-wing.
What the fuck happened to reading comprehension?
>>46582583
>>46582625
At no point in the post is X-wing mentioned, pic is of some woman with a box on a table in front of her. It's an easy mistake to make.
>>46582785
It's an image board, dumbass. Look at the fucking images.
>>46582839
There are hundreds of better images that would have gotten the point across that didn't have random person squatting in the middle of it and pushing the object of importance into the lower corner.
Or when holding a basic discussion, perhaps mentioning that the topic is being diverted from topic A to topic B.
>tfw warhammer fantasy has been abandoned
>kings of war 9th age and 6th edition reign along with 3rd part miniature makes
WE PATHFINDER NOW
>>46583341
Ooof...sorry to hear that.
I think there's a topical cream you can get. Apply it twice daily, hopefully, in a week, it'll clear up.
Nothing worse than a raging case of Pathfinder.
>>46577532
ok guys i hate gw and all their fucking kits but these are some god damn bitchin ass cold one knights i gotta confess
I have been out of the loop for a few years. What exactly is going on with gws?
>>46583805
I prefer these desu
>>46583918
it all went to shittt when they introduced the new night goblins
>>46582839
so is this still reading comprehension or is it image comprehension
>>46583918
Everything remotely generic has been renamed to better fit copyright, fantasy has been replaced by an entirely new game without any real rules and a setting best described as if someone who made anime looked at 3 warhammer miniatures a gundum and an episode of thunder cats for inspiration, and basically everything is terrible.
>>46584190
that sounds awful. Why would they change it up?
>>46583918
You'll get plenty of negative and entirely accurate answers, but in the interests of balance, they did release some great mechanicus models and a nice imperial knight, a 30k set (personally I'm not a mehreen fan, but plenty of people are) and they're now doing starter boxes which are surprisingly good value compared to most of their other stuff.
>>46584190
also, whats up with these ridiculous prices?
>>46584309
Probably weren't selling enough fantasy to justify the expense and decided to do something bold and stupid rather than quietly winding it down or killing it.
>>46578360
X wing is a fairly balanced game unlike warhammer
>>46583995
idk mate pretty good but the dino pauldrons? check the helmets and medusa shield on the far right. maybe i'm more into the paint job
>>46577716
>I'm assuming BA aren't shit since they're SM
Anon, I...
>>46584309
>>46584330
>“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.”
>>46585255
Didn't that happen at least a couple of decades ago?
>>46585435
Yes, which is roughly the point at which things started to go wrong.
>>46584309
Nobody could afford starting up a fantasy army anymore and they stopped getting new players. Instead of working out a way to introduce lower price points they created a new game where you throw whatever models you own onto a table, run them headfirst into eachother at the middle of the board and roll dice untill one side is eliminated
>Jesus christ im having a fucking stroke
3 models is the same price of a pristine Kar98, a Custom AR Build, hell you can buy a pretty good god damn horse for the price of the DracoTemple. The fuck is going on here
>>46586215
Forgot the pic. But seriously what the fuck
>>46586234
Jesus...Are those at least priced in Aussie Dollarydoos?
>>46586284
Fucking U.S OF D. FOR THAT PRICE YOU COULD HAVE 3-4 FUCKING WARHAMMER BATTALION BOXES. Hell, wanna go full retard? Isle of Blood was only 99 dollars. Think about that shit
>>46586234
Eh, nerds gonna pay what nerds gonna pay.
>>46586313
That's insane. (Not IoB, that was a good set, and I'm glad I picked it up before AoS hit)
>>46586353
At what point though, does $440 for 8 figures seem like a reasonable thing to pay for?
>>46586284
>>46586313
Those are in Aussie Dollars.
>>46586215
>>46586234
Is that why the neck beards can't afford deodorant or toothpaste, they pissed their money away on stuff like THAT?
>>46586397
Thanks, went and checked the US Price - $420 for the 3 and $260 for the 8 set.
Still insane, but somewhat less so.
>>46586313
1. Nope, you're looking at Oz prices.
2. The current starter set is 125 Murridollars, so it's 25% more expensive than the equivalent thing released... five years ago? More? Not too crazy.
On the other hand, IMO the models are complete shit compared with Island of Blood, which is a bigger problem.
>>46586418
That, dank memes and not working more than 24 hrs/week.
>>46586418
>they pissed their money away on stuff like THAT?
Well, it's Age of Sigmar, so probably not.
>>46586443
>>46586397
Why the fuck is my browser on Aussie Dollars. Didnt even use the link.
>Mfw a DropBear has changed my settings
>>46586418
>bought board games
>should've bought new razors
Th-thanks, /tg/.
>>46586423
$420 is a inexpensive pistol, and maybe some ammo
$420 is over 220 gallons is gas (here in Austin anyway)
$420 is suit to wear to a job interview, so you can get a better job to pay for this retardedly expensive hobby
>>46586472
Oh what fresh hell is this. And paying 86 dollars for the "bone horde" is fucking laughable. Its like 5 BK, 10 Skellies and a meme Rider. I mean honestly the fuck is going on anymore.
>>46586522
>Thunderbeast host doesn't look that bad compared to the rest
>>46586234
Are the dino toys actually copypasted ? I mean, for the same price as my monthly rent I'd hope that all the models are at least unique.
>>46586553
>>46586522
>Death upgrade! Make your undead deader!
>Pff, Krell? Whos Krell?! This here a Wight king
I only buy their skeletons for the skeleton heads i need to convery Perry Minis, but even now im wondering why i would support these fucks.
>>46586486
In my country 420 dolaridoos is one month of middle class lifestyle expenses, all inclusive. Or 1.3 times minimal monthly wage.
>>46586522
I passed in front of a GW yesterday, the sigmarite drakeshit is one ugly motherfucker.
>>46586572
Where, Zimbabwe?
>>46586567
You can just buy the heads on their own from one of many bits providers. It's what I do.
>>46587138
What, ebay? All my old bitz places jave dried up and are just full of sigmarine shit
>>46587146
Yes. It's an easy source, and a better deal than paying $30 every time you need more heads.
>>46587489
Got a solid link?
>>46587570
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WFB-Vampire-Counts-Skeleton-Warriors-Heads-Helmeted-Armored-Heads-Bits-11-Bitz-/381205388785?hash=item58c19c9df1:g:s7AAAOSwNSxVEyVU
Was the first result
>>46586567
Vlad von carstein? Just a vampire lord. And 23 dollars. I didn't play warhammer much even when I collected it, but that just pisses me off for some reason.
>>46587667
>This guy have any lor-
>"NOPE. JUST A RUNNAMILL VAMPURR LORD. BUY HIS TOTALLY NON-CHAOS WIGHT KING BUDDY AS WELL
>>46577716
>The real craving I have is a decently balanced mini game.
Have you heard the good news about our Lord and savior Mantic?
>>46587901
Not him, but I've only seen mentions of it, so I'd be happy if you would enlighten me.
>>46587929
Kings of War is EXTREMELY balanced. Every single faction is playable with numerous builds that work instead of everyone copying and pasting overpowered lists. Their sci-fi stuff is still in the works so it has some balance issues, but they're working on it and by the time it's out of beta odds are it will all be fixed. They listen to what the community wants and actively try to improve. KoW has equivalent factions for you to play your Warhammer Fantasy armies, and they encourage you using the models you already have instead of being anal about only using theirs. And if you do want their models, the bundles are cheap. The Undead Army is $85 and has 90 models.
>>46588123
And how many models does one need?
>>46588123
KoW is good alternative for people who already have WHF army and don't want to just throw it in the trash because GW axed the game.
But actual KoW models look like unwashed protestant ass for the most part.
>>46588212
It depends on which ones you are looking at, but some of them are really nice. Their zombies easily look better than their equivalent, and none of their hard plastics are really bad. Their restic models however are simply lame. There is no good reason anyone should use that junk in this day and age. Thankfully all of their new models avoid it, and their newer hard plastics are entirely posable and come with tones of extra bits in contrast to the older hard plastics which are about a step away from being snap fit.
>>46588212
>But actual KoW models look like unwashed protestant ass for the most part.
One of the first passages in the KoW rulebook encourages you to use any model you want, and not feel like you need to buy Mantic models.
>>46588212
Mantic models are what they are, you are not required to buy them to play KoW if you don't like them. The fact that Mantic still makes money on both the rules and the minis probably means that some people like it.
>>46588166
Depends one what faction you play. Keep in mind that the game goes off of unit footprint instead of number of models, and you're good as long as you have just over half the number it says you need. So if the book says a regiment has 20 models you can play it with 11.
>>46588166
Depends.
A 1500 points army can be anything between 20 and 200 models and not be ass.
>>46585435
Kirby pulled his buyout in 1991, which meant that he needed to start making a lot of money to pay back his creditors. It took a long while for the studio to be completely subsumed by the sales people, though. First there were problems with Specialist games, where they overprinted and had a few other back-end problems that caused GW to veer away from trying to capture niche markets.
I think LotR was the nail in the coffin, though. It was a beautifully designed skirmish system, playable with only a box of models per side, and the designers basically used it as a testing ground for ideas that couldn't be done in Warhammer at that moment, with the hope that they would get to repackage the SBG for Warhammer or another sustainable line after the LotR craze ended. But the sales people didn't realise that the Jackson movie bubble would burst, and they freaked out when they suddenly had all these LotR minis that weren't selling. Then they tried War of the Ring, but that didn't catch on because it would mean consumers spending hundreds more on a game that was already losing momentum. It perfectly encapsulates the Apocalypse/Warhammer 8th problem, where when they're not sure of their next step they try to make something huge with lots of minis, but people don't want to spend that much when the old editions still work and the game suffers.
>>46583341
>6th edition reign
In your imagination, maybe. WHFB is now 8th, 9th and KoW, plus some oldfags who hasn't played a game in 10 years dreaming about 6th reigning.
>>46582785
>get rekt
>better double down l on how stupid I am
Just stop posting
>>46577134
Fun fact, plastic is worth more per pound than steel. Dont know how it compares to pewter and the like though.
Source: used to work for a recycling company.Was last year when I worked for them though so numbers may have changed.
>>46586313
Battalion boxes? That's cute.
Guess why they are getting rid of them.
>>46588423
>AOS is making the same amount of money the dying WHFB was making back in summer 2015
They killed 30 years worth of lore, characters and factions for fucking nothing
>>46588482
I remember a battalion box that was skeletal troops only. I should have gotten more than 1. I thought i had time.
>I THOUGHT I HAD TIME
>>46588430
It's important to have a dream, I've been told.
>people will defend these prices
I was a hardcore shill back in 7th and 8th, but even I have tipped my hat to the grave stones. Such a shame
>>46586558
Yes. They're all CAD designed.
>>46586567
makes me a little sad seeing key figures in the lore that were always centerpiece models on the tabletop being dismissed as generic units
>>46588469
Yeah, but the size didn't increase and metal is significantly denser. Plus, casting plastic is a hell of a lot easier than casting metal.
>>46588512
Not that this will make you feel better but it's actually making slightly less money (model sales down), but is counterbalanced by increased licensing revenue (40k/fantasy vidya)
>>46573932
720 dolarydoos!
>>46588465
>Still being this mad eight hours later
>>46589805
That has little to do with monoposability, it just makes it very easy to make it lifeless and shitty
