http://www.vox.com/2016/4/7/11371194/tabletop-harassment-malifaux-controversy
wtf canada? you let a bitch like this out?
>>46530592
Don't blame me just because I was born behind enemy lines.
>>46530619
but seriously, is this common in the great white north?
"I am thirteen years old and in a game store for the first time. I examine their selection of dice and take them to the counter to pay.
"How old are you?" asks the balding, middle-aged man behind the counter.
"Thirteen."
"Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!" he chuckles in glee. The Warhammer 40K gamers at the table behind him take up the refrain. "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed! Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!"
I run."
The article notes some readers of her tumblr post consider this story unbelievable. I agree.
Even men with no class or morals are limited by fear of retribution, for starters, wouldn't the employee and the nerds be scared her father and uncles would come beat the shit out of them? This presumably took place in the 90s or 80s, back then harassing adult women was considered more acceptable, but not children.
>>46530592
Wow what a self-serving, angry, delusional bitch. If you constantly look for trouble, you see it everywhere. If some dork wants to use the term 'rape' to describe his landslide win, so fucking what? Every idiotic or inappropriate comment isnt an insult. Gamergate lol. Just go away ffs.
>>46530815
Oh, I missed the bit about Warhammer, 1990s then.
>>46530815
Yeah that story is bullshit. She's just another attention hungry bitch trying to stir up trouble where there is none. Typical woman: 'Me, me, me. Me, and Me. Except she's wasting her stereotypical behavior on sjw bullshit. What a joke. In the end, these decietful sjw troublemakers always lose. Her future is horn rimmed glasses, and lamenting her obscurity.
>>46530808
what, the harassment and whatnot? not a fucking chance
a female organizer for several large tournaments in my area has openly said that the contents of that tumblr post are fucking sensationalist garbage designed for clickbait, and she was actually raped in her life
>>46530835
>play group meets right next to the schools diversity police
>gay black dude in group
>get approached from using the word cunt, gay, faggot, and rape
>"call the cops on you" bullshit
>gay black dude stands up ready to fight the bitch
>tells her they are going to take it outside so he can show her how gay niggers dont put up with that shit
>never harassed again
groups need more gay black dudes to stand up for them
>>46531062
i was talking more of the sensationalist shit
>>46530592
Didn't this thread get deleted like five times the other day?
>>46531300
meh, its pretty much just a universal problem in western countries now
i havent noticed any more of it in canada then in americuh
>>46531320
havent been around
>>46531349
i am glad i dont have to put up with it then
>>46531300
Because Canada is a prissy faggot country whose people don't argue with tumblrinas. At least in America they're challenged and openly derided.
Canada just stays quiet like a battered housewife.
>>46531400
Sure chief. Tell me another one. How about the one about how 3.x is totally balanced between martials and casters.
>>46531424
Wasn't some Canadian guy literally banned from the Internet because he disagreed with some feminists?
>>46531492
And when they to accuse him of harassment, the judge laughed them out of court.
>>46531633
But wasn't the guy's career ruined and didn't he incur a shit ton of legal fees defending himself from bullshit accusations anyway?
He still lost on a practical level. I don't recall the judge ever dismissing the accusations outright, hence the legal fees.
>>46530917
Here, have some attention.
>Fat nerds calling you names is terrorism
I don't endorse any of that shit, but what the ever loving fuck
>>46530592
It's such a shame I have to share classical Latin with creatures like her.
>>46531259
Shitthatneverhappened.txt
>>46531492
I think you're talking about the Greg Elliot case.
>Garland and many other fans of Malifaux were disappointed that so many of the game's new characters and models were either male or women who were overtly sexualized
Of all the miniature systems they could have gone after, it baffles me that they would criticize Malifaux for this. The Viktorias are really the only minis that are overtly sexual for seemingly no reason. Nekima is a giant demon warrior so she can wear whatever she wants and the other offenders are showgirls or hookers where the provocative designs make complete sense. They really just do it because they know they would have no traction among communities like Kingdom Death or Infinity.
>butt mad about jokes and hot fictional characters
Blah blah heard it a million times before its just feminists trying to make money of faux outrage
>>46530815
>people chanting "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"
This wouldn't even happen in a fucking prison, let alone a game store.
>>46531259
>gay niggers dont put up with that shit
you were friends with weev?
>>46534696
>This wouldn't even happen in a fucking prison
Uhhh...
>I call the police and report the attack.
>“You sound drunk. Were you drinking? I’m not filing a report for some drunken slut.” The officer hangs up.
0% chance this happened
>>46535804
... because there are no 13 year old girls in prison with male criminals, anon. That's the joke.
>>46530815
Huh, I associate that with pedobear.
>>46535804
It's actually true though, child molesters and such are treated horrifically in prisons by other prisoners. Several even actually die there if the wardens don't take actions to prevent it.
>>46534505
Because they are small.
>>46530592
Cheese and rice, I just got into Malifaux. Don't want tit to be ground zero for gamergate 2.0 bullshit. And how is it the ever story which references gamergate omits the bit about attempted control of education and information?
>>46536683
It's just hype perpetrated by self-centered sociopathic women who may or may not believe their own bullshit. Every time a thread is started about it, or someone replies to a tweet, comments on their blog, etc. - they're getting what they want: attention.
>>46530917
Angry much?
>>46536759
I get tweets, but it's posting here generates momentum? I guess without an archive link it at least gives clicks.
It's still hard to believe this could be completely of her own volition and not her being someone's useful idiot. I think that aspect and continued discussion could be valuable.
I don't know how much harassment the tabletop community can do when most guys in the hobby I know can barely maintain eye contact with a woman.
Myself included.
>>46536834
It's also a disingenuous title. She references ccgs and fictional wargames, but tabletop is much larger that those and arguably very family friendly.
So, are tumblr the 19th century missionaries in colonial lands who speak about barbarous practices and want everything to be done their way?
because they sure sound like it.
>>46534505
>Of all the miniature systems they could have gone after, it baffles me that they would criticize Malifaux for this.
Too small to fight back. Infinity is Spanish, and Yuros only give a fuck about racism.
>>46537031
Pretty much, without the risk of having their heads shrunk.
>>46537361
They have a rabid fanbase adverse to the idea the game is not balanced well. Will they put those internet hours to good use defending the motherland?
Seriously though, they have threads dedicated to fan feedback and comments about sexualization aren't uncommon. They really chose the smallest fish.
>>46530815
The most hilarious thing:
It cites that 8% women get molested in shops.
But the global rate is 20% IIRC.
So the tabletops are still ahead of the curve.
>>46537446
>They really chose the smallest fish.
Well, yeah. That's how SocJus operate. EITHER choose the smallest fish OR something so large the people owning it aren't actually connected to the product.
>>46531633
>>46531492
>A LEAF
>>46534505
>Viktorias
Viktoria of blood is a bit sexualized as she's wearing a unbuttoned vest-thing.
But Viktoria of Ashes? Not sexualized at all.
>>46538072
That's a boring-ass pose.
>>46534505
well see you've added your own criteria there, which was "for no reason". If it's the case that the majority of other female characters are "showgirls or hookers", then a sexual design may make sense for that character, but then you're looking at a game where the design decision has been made that most of the females are showgirls or hookers. I don't know anything about Malifaux so I can't comment on the game itself there but keep in mind that just because something is justified in an individual case doesn't mean it can't be evidence of a broader trend which is not so good.
>>46537433
/tg/ headhunters general when?
>>46530815
>"Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!" he chuckles in glee. The Warhammer 40K gamers at the table behind him take up the refrain. "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed! Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!"
>I run."
ITT: Things that never happened.
>>46531320
No, that was a DIFFERENT troll thread. Duh.
>>46538523
>not breeding before bleeding.
Ara ara
>>46532395
It's probably more in reference to the 'possibly targeted rape' thing, but even then, as horrible as that is, it's going too far.
>>46538582
>Ara ara
Me nicht habla moonspeak.
>>46538655
tu es un fagot grand
>>46538690
Sic Transit OP
>>46530815
>"Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!"
I have heard that joke once. Nobody laughed we just kinda sat in cold silence until somebody finally gave the "not cool bro" speech.
>>46536095
Good.
>>46535760
I am now.
>>46530917
You're right but I'm still going to call you a faggot to stir the pot.
lol fag
This is kinda in the same topic when it comes to representation.
I've seen arguements for having models for everyone to 'identify' with but I don't really identify with any or my models. My most used and favourite models are Kaeris, the Firestarter and the Captain and none of them are really like me and I don't care that much. I wouldn't say I idenitfy with a model because they share one very shallow aspect with like 'they are male' or 'they are white'.
Is identification with your miniatures important for anyone here?
>>46539107
I identify as a Baneblade
>>46539107
I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
>>46530592
>I am a gamer. I followed the call of Cthulhu and ran in the shadows with hackers and shamans
Just from this santence alone i can tell taht who ever wrote this has never seen a rpg game in their life
>>46539876
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Shouldn't the real issue here be that the Canadian police are veing accused of doing nothing to help a rape victim?
Of course, they would be able to stand up to this and refute it, so they won't be drawn into this at any point.
>>46530815
Right, as if that actually happened
Why are these feminists so dumb? If anything, Wyrd is misandrist as all of their alt crews are female
>>46539999
nice quads. I can see that situation happening, but it's one in a billion that you happen to find yourself in a all neckbeard sperglord party, this is probobly the only such story that has happened in the pas 10 years
>someone spams a fake story
>they keep trying to spam it on this board
>threads get deleted
And I thought that would be the end of that. Instead,
>fake story gets picked up by liberal news site in order to start a pointless conversation and senseless controversy
Apparently, this thing really is some bizarre, agenda-oriented plague.
Please mods, just delete this thread, and don't let them pretend that there's any issue aside from their bizarre victim complex.
>>46538441
Listing off
>Lady Justice
Lots of bare skin, some kind of psycho cleric, kills necromancers and doesn't afraid of anything.
>Perdita
Practical clothing, monster hunting badass from a clan of monster hunting badasses.
>Sonnia
Reasonably practical clothing, hunts wizards for The Man.
>Kirai
Chingchongland, sexy dress. Some kind of ghost husbando?
>Molly
Zombie prostitute out from under Necromancer Jack The Ripper's control, theoretically sexy? Mostly grotesque.
>Tara
Dead woman with time powers. Reasonable clothing and giant hole through chest.
>Rasputina
Rocking the moscow girls look. Kills foes with awful ice puns.
>Colette
Showgirl, showgirl outfit, power behind the scenes type.
>Kaeris
Angel chick, bare midriff, sets stuff on fire.
>Mei Feng
Chingchongland railway worker. Bare shoulders, lighter clothing because heavy labor.
>Toni
Oh look a black woman, reasonable worker clothing
>Lillith
Sexy dress, giant sword. Mother to monsters
>Pandora
Sexy dress, huge telepathic bitch.
>Zoraida
Witch. Not a lot else to say. The green and warts kind, not the sexy kind.
>Viktoria
Bare midriff, also twins they were.jpg
>Misaki
Chingchongland ninja. Flowy dress.
>Ophelia
See Perdita, except shorter and green. Also bare midriff.
>Mah
Stubby green abusive clan matriarch. Gremlin rags & tatters look.
>>46538441
But anon, "sexualization" is now more or less a meme, when someone says sexualized, they think "shows a bit of skin or ass" not "is ment to be onyl eye candy and nothing alse".
>""I'm now 3/3 wargame communities where I have experienced direct, targeted harassment aimed at driving women out of the hobby,"
Maybe it's you?
>>46530592
Why is this fake shit still not deleted? When it was spammed before it was deleted as well.
>>46539107
I thought the idea was to pretend to be an "idealized" version of yourself. Aren't girls jealous of other girls with big tits? Why wouldn't they want to play as a huge hot busty demon woman that could annihilate you with magic? If I could play as Fabio The Demon Killer I'd be happy too.
>>46539107
wait people want to identyfi with their models? Why? When playing a wargame, you are the comander, not the randome scrub on the battlefield.
>>46540538
Tracer.
>>46540771
How was Tracer sexualized? No really, please tell me because i dont see it, she is obviously a cherecter who is ment to be a counterpart to widowmaker and thus replaces the dark "sexiness" with tomboyish cutness, but i dont see the sexualization anywhere, even with the old pose.
>it's obviously fake
>she's just doing it for attention/money
>there's nothing wrong with me
>my gay/black/lady friend is one of the good ones and doesn't stand for this sort of thing
>>46540807
>implying this is not fake and done for attention/money
>>46540771
>>46540798
I'm 90% sure it was a popularity stunt.
>>46540807
I believe most of us aren't denying that shitty behavior can occur in tabletop (how else would we get That Guy stories?)
But this woman is obviously disturbed and a clear glutton for attention which makes her story highly suspect, especially considering how crazy the accusation is.
I mean bloody hell lad, this got picked up by VOX, one of the biggest feminist/SJW publications out there.
>>46540730
If anything you are taking on the role of the master and they are representing you and your strategic choices on the battlefield but that doesn't mean the master has to be anything like you at all.
So who else got a chubber from reading about how she got pushed up against the wall as a guy was rubbing his genitals agaisnt her or when she went to the con and a hand slid under her skirt and she went home with five bruises on her ass?
>>46540968
>actually reading that shit
>getting a boner from it
>>46540703
Not everyone needs to self idealize in that manner, anon.
>>46541017
And nobody fucking 'needs' to get drunk or smoke either, yet there's huge money in alcohol and tobacco sales.
>The experiences of one troubled tumblr user are indicative of tabletop gaming as a whole
Are these the types of people who gave us the "every woman in the Western world will be raped at least once" statistic?
>>46540968
>five bruises
hole shite, did they try to grop her ass or peat it to the ground
>>46541107
Bruises on your ass sound like something that was caused by something that occurs all the time at Cons.
>>46541107
*beat
>>46541159
Iv been to one or two, my ass never got out bruised, i did once go out with a hotie under my army just to be left at the pub because aperentyl i was not fun enough, but never has my ass been pounded by a falconpunch (or dick)
I was in a journalism school for 2 years. Anecdotes without supporting evidence from a single source are about the least-reliable thing in the universe, second only to anonymous versions of the same. Human memory is faulty, experiences don't generalize, and some people, rarely, lie for attention. There are more cases of single-sourced stories turning out to be BS than stars in the sky.
And so while I am sympathetic to this post, and it speaks to a very real problem, it also sets off every single skepticism-switch in my body. The behavior of the police, in particular, seems unbelievably dismissive. I haven't actually found out what court case this person won yet, though apparently it actually exists (not hugely knowledgeable about canadian law or how to search its archives, and heck no I ain't goin' to canada for the internet)
So I don't put much stock in this person's story. Though we should remember that the non-generalization of anecdotes is a two-way street, which means stories like >>46538751 aren't necessarily representative either.
>>46541520
anon, 9/10 of such stories are made up or half troughts, the last 10% are people who were very very unlucky and happened to meat a party of that guys without someone to restrain their sperglordness. For one thing, half the time the "ass grabbing"? It's a randome bump of the hand on the buttocks when someone was walking somewhere and not paying attention to his/her soroundings and acidently brushing their hand agients a nother persons ass.
>>46541520
>>46541636
Enough of your pathetic trolling attempts.
Only an idiot would pretend to take this seriously, only an idiot would pretend there's a scrap of truth to any of this, and only an idiot would even attempt to engage in a debate with you on this.
Yes, I'm an idiot for even replying to you, but really, you shouldn't try to treat the people of this board like absolute morons and expect them not to be able to see through your bullshit.
Fuck you, fuck you for spamming this shit here, and fuck you with you bullshit attempts at bumping this thread.
>>46541856
No, fuck you.
Why?
Because if youre allowed to say fuck you to someone who legitimately wants to discredit this person so that we dont have to focus on them anymore, then fuck you.
Also because Canada is no pussy. We killed more Nazi's than youre fat ass can count.
>>46542039
There's no need to try and "discredit" them. They don't have any credit to begin with. Engaging with them, engaging with you, it's all just the same sort of idiocy that grants them exactly the kind of attention they seek.
So, fuck you again. Fuck me, for replying to a troll like you, but fuck you once more.
>>46540968
I'm sure she did while writing it. This whole thing reads like a woman with a rape fetish wrote a fap fic.