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Chronicles of Fagness
remember to spay and neuter your werewolves
This thread is for gay werewolves only. Gay mages and gay vampires are second class citizens.
Reminder that mages are burning garbage.
More minor templates.
>>46528234
>you will never be an Obrimos vampire slayer
>>46528175
Welcome back
>>46527931
>>46528056
>>46528130
Going by the Demon STG, the God-Machine is probably roughly on par with the Exarchs. It doesn't answer to them, but the Seers have a habit of doing things that work towards G-M goals, so either there's an alliance or the G-M just likes to manipulate Seers into doing stuff for him.
>>46528230
>implying
Demons don't count do they? They're not really human so their sexuality is really just another aspect of their cover. Then again, they can cater to any fetish and look like they enjoy it.
>>46528230
I approveof the picture more than anything. I like Mage and Werewolf about equally, though.
>>46528211
Fuck you though
>>46528289
>not chuck tingle
0/10 Work on your bait.
>>46528301
Tell that to the dev I squicked out with my Demon Quantum Pregnancy Abortion XP machine.
>>46528354
You triggered a dev's breaking point, she should thank you for the Beat.
>>46528301
They aren't really human, but a Demon can still have preferences. The books explicitly talk about Demons identifying as the gender their initial cover was, iirc, and that probably includes sexuality as well.
>>46528438
It was a guy.To be honest it was more me just noticing a rule loophole and then telling them about it
>>46528288
The G-M probably just manipulates and, being mages, they're too up their own ass to realize they're being used.
>>46528164
It was only page 8. Probably would have been better to wait until 9 or 10.
>>46528585
Yeah, but some people aren't smart.
Like those who think oWoD's metaplot was good.
Has V20 Black Hand been liberated?
>>46529093
nice meme friend
how's that god muhsheen and lillith and mage-supremacy NWoD plot going
>>46529093
Can we still think it's fun, especially considering that far too many people took it totally seriously for almost a decade?
>>46529093
More like CofF guy jumped the gun so he wouldn't be scooped. Didn't even include a topic question.
>>46529133
>nWoD
>metaplot
KEK
>>46529133
>lillith
>CofD
Buh? This about that Dark Mother?
>>46529198
Lilith is the Aeon of Prime.
>>46528288
If you could manipulate the Seers, wouldn't you? Besides, that's what they want, to be controlled and directed, because they are too stupid to do things on their own.
>>46528337
Mage was the first game my group played in WoD and now none of us are really interested in it. Werewolf was the most fun for us, and at least one player hates basically every other splat, so doing anything else is difficult - but Hunter game is slowly starting. Gay hunters hunting gay monsters (probably).
>>46528248
I hope infernal possessed and purified get some kind of 2e update, they are the only minor templates I care about.
>>46529387
>Gay hunters hunting Gay monsters
Sounds fucking gay as fuck dude.
>>46529259
I'm not entirely sure how that ties into any kind of metaplot, even assuming God-Machine stuff.
>>46529387
To be honest, Purified and Possessed deserve more than Merit based minor templates. They need a book that makes them into major templates but without all the fluff of a full gameline book.
>>46529387I still approve. Also I'm both of the first 2 people you replied to.
You just reminded me that my Demon game is completely lacking in gay characters right now.
Granted, that's because I'm trying to keep a 50/50 split between genders for the NPCs, and my players gave themselves a lot of male NPCs, so I've had to do a lot of female NPC creation.
Also granted, there hasn't really been much focus on the NPCs at all, for any of the characters I've still got as PCs, and only one of them has more than 1 NPC tied to them at all, so I guess that's fair.
>>46529387
>>46529427
>Gay hunters hunting Gay monsters
Sounds positively fabulous...
>Check gamebook folder
>Have 4gigs worth of WoD stuff
WHELP. Anyone got any requests for nWoD stuff?
WtF2 The Pack already in proofing? The guys are fast.
>>46529427
>>46529556
Well, it's more like one gay hunter in a game with an ST who knows that I will follow literally any potential romance plot thread dangled in front of me. And collectively, the party has a terrible track record of dating villains or getting their romantic interests dead/soulless. I'm personally hoping thatmy character's ex shows up as a stalker or suspect in a major caseto kill so many birds with one stone.
>>46529491
I wish the devs would do intermediary templates like that. The actual vestment style powers in Infernal are such a cool concept and Purified has so much to work with in regards to Numina.
>>46529530
Personally when I run games, I do the Pathfinder ambiguous sexuality thing for any character who isn't already hitched. If the gender ratio is reasonably close, that's all that really matters. Then you can assign sexualities on the fly if it ever becomes pressingly relevant.
>>46529742
Give your GM a copy of Promethean/Mortal Remains and tell him to make you a boyfriend.
Nothing will go wrong, I promise.
>>46527511
Here's the metaphor I used for my players -
Take the Matrix analogy: the world and everything in it is a complex computer simulation.
The God-Machine is a subsystem of this simulation, made up of many smaller processes. These processes have "Admin Privileges" - the simulation has lots of backdoors and usefu tools already coded into it that the God-Machine's various processes (angels, infrastructure, etc) can use to do their job - covers, Embeds, etc. Demons are rogue processes that have lost their Admin privileges, but still know how to access some of these tools- and can use the backdoors they know to "hack" in ways that they couldn't just using a script (exploits). But they're all still a part of the simulation itself, they aren't RUNNING the simulation. That's the Supernal.
In contrast, Mages have Root Access to the code itself and write scripts (spells) to directly modify the code that the simulation runs on (the Supernal). It's not an exact metaphor, obviously, but it works.
>>46529742
>Personally when I run games, I do the Pathfinder ambiguous sexuality thing for any character who isn't already hitched. If the gender ratio is reasonably close, that's all that really matters. Then you can assign sexualities on the fly if it ever becomes pressingly relevant.
Same, desu. I just haven't really given much attention to any of the NPCs that are actually related to the current characters, since they're making so little effort to do anything connected to their Covers.They'll pay for it next session, I'm sure, since I plan to start it off with an ambush from a Rank 2 Angel who's chasing after one of them due to the Hunted condition.Eh, a little too buff for my tastes.
>>46529827
>That's the Supernal.
>Inb4 someone calls this proof of Mage Supremacy
In 2e at least, the Supernal is less the Code the simulation runs on, more another, less complex simulation running on the same code, using the same machine, with dev comments that Mage Sight lets you see, so you know how things work.
>>46529822
Oh no, he knows what to do. We've been playing games together for like seven, eight years now. He doesn't need any help crafting the perfect husbando and then dragging unresolved sexual tension out for literal in game years. That said, character backstory is open enough that the ex could easily have gone supernatural of some sort, contributing to the sudden marriage collapse. It's all in the ST's hands.
>>46529843
With my other group, it's fun to sort of shotgun a bunch of NPCs at the party and see which ones stick. I've been in games where entire shipping webs have been drawn up because the players got OOC too invested in creating everybody's happy ending. Shame this is WoD, so if anyone ends up happy, no one else is likely to.
>>46529918
I'm doing the same thing, more or less. Introduced an Angel 2 sessions ago that nearly killed one of the PCs for following him into an alley(thought he was just a bum, so he let him go). Last session, the same Angel used a disguise to get the help of one of the PCs in finding another NPC that she previously dealt with.
And then the PCs met up for the first time; yeah, I'm the guy who went 5 sessions before the PCs met each other.Too hairy for me. Otherwise, good.
So im trying to make a 2E update for the primary system from domination city. I have an idea of how to work out input, assets, resources, and protection.
But I can't think of how to change agent without making it retainer? You guys got ideas
>>46529567
Strangeness in the Proportion
>>46529589
It seems to be chugging along nicely.
>>46530575
Hi Chris! Any new Werewolf stuff other than that in the works?
>>46530513
I'm sorry, I don't download shit.Aside from Changing Breeds and Strange Dead Love
>>46528354
>>46528472
What?
>>46529491
>>46529742
A book that's basically Second Sight 2 would be neat. A Dark Eras style affair that has long chapters devoted to new templates that are more than just a few merits, but not quite full game line shit. It would really make some of the minor templates more worthwhile.
Also, it would mean that Purified and Possessed didn't have such dumb mechanics.
>>46529093
Good? Debatable. Fun? Hell yeah. You can't say either of those things about nWoD.
>>46530625
Well the old brochure thingy had Secrets of the Tribes slated for after The Pack; I guess once The Pack is out we'll see if Secrets is still up next.
>you will never kidnap a Changeling and roleplay as their Keeper
#AshwoodAntics
>>46531436
So Vampire is getting Secrets of the Covenants, Werewolf is getting Secrets of the Tribes.
Does that mean Mage is gonna get Secrets of the Orders, eventually?
It's okay guys, nWoD is a toolbox :^)
>>46531562
Yes, but I think it's under a different name. Tome of the Pentacle, I believe.
>>46531839
Of course, if you want to play a game with a full setting, there's always the World of Darkness. It's nice that both the Chronicles of Darkness and the World of Darkness give people the choice in what kind of style they want in their personal horror/urban fantasy game.
>>46531839
Yes...?
How often do you award beats per session? How much time does a session cover? What have STs done regarding beats/experience that you enjoyed or hated?
Finally put out the call for Mage: the Ascension players. Any advice for a new Ascension ST? Been playing/GM-ing for about 6 years now, but from what I understand Ascension is a very different beast. Been re-reading the M20 book to brush up on it and watching some games on Youtube as well.
>>46532984
Depends on a variety of factors.
>>46532984
>How often do you award beats per session?
It depends on the group; the expected average is 5 per session.
>How much time does a session cover?
It depends on the group. I've heard of anywhere from 2 to 12 hours.
>What have STs done regarding beats/experience that you enjoyed or hated?
I had an ST once who gave the same amount of XP every session, with no regard for what happened or didn't happen. Made doing anything feel kinda pointless, since were gonna get the same amount of xp at the end of the session, anyways.
>>46529896
>mfw Mage Sight just lets you see the all the stuff that's been commented out
>mfw no face
>>46534590
I started to type out a joke about what Life Sight would probably give you on a college-age white dude who plays football. I ended up feeling like I was writing something for my Demon game, instead.
Do silver weapons have a negative in CofD? I know they used to but can't find any rule in the book about it. One of my players is wanting to make a silver sword and not sure what the negatives are if they still exist
So is it just me, or are these threads just getting gayer and gayer? It's really fucking gay now, straight as a figure eight levels of gay. Like it used to be a little gay, but there's fucking bulges all over now. Inb4 gay werewolves.
>>46535390
It's all part of nWoD's agenda.
>>46535460
Like, it's so gay that I forget I'm on 4chan. I mean, I don't care that CofD is pro gay, I just don't want dude junk all up in my face.
>>46535390
The recent increase is mostly because me and the guy who posts gay book/movie covers and pictures of porn stars have actually started talking about our gay shit. Pretty sure we were both always here, though.
guys should i buy and read
Judgment Day mage.
is the story good
sum it up to me
It's getting to where I can't even drag a werewolf behind a truck without it being uncomfortable.
>>46535528
There has been no actual junk posted. Just a lot of homo-erotic images.
>>46535528
Normie detected.
>>46535361
Pls respond
>>46535569
Hence, getting gayer. It was always a little gay.
>>46535631
I'm a normie for not liking dude junk?
>>46535675
Pretty sure it's just a negative one, anon.
>>46535720
>it was always a little gay
ESPECIALLY faggot-kun.
>>46534765
Post it anyway.
>>46535361
>negatives of silver weapons
I don't believe potential downsides to silver weapons has yet been addressed in CofD / nWoD second editions (there's been so few books).
The issues with silver weapons (and other materials) were discussed in the new WOD 1e book Armory, p.19-20, 88. Although it's now is up to ST discretion, I would still follow the guidelines from Armory.
Here's Armory:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/cnb52i
>>46535898
branford stop helping people pirate pdfs
A lot of fans of the WOD and CofD are gayer than pink suede, although the posting of homoerotic pics has certainly increased of late.
I view the issue as a simple trade-off. I'll take the gay werewolf discussion over the pronoun arguments.
>>46535946
Damn right.
>>46535898
They have been addressed a bit in Armory Reloaded. Silver is kind of a shit metal for a weapon, but for a shotgun slug? It's pretty decent.
>>46535829
define lifeform(24, m, 21.524, 3, 2, 3, ...)
>Life Sight
//A caucasian male, roughly 21 years old, with above-average strength and stamina.I know very little about coding honestly, so that's the best way I can think to lay it out; skills would follow where the ... is but I'm a lazy git
So Ascended Deceived are bound to Fate.
Are there any suggested goals of Fate? Where the Arisen wake up to steal back relics or murder the face off someone from the Last Dynasty corp, the Deceived wake up to slave for their psychic masters, what the hell do the AScended wake up for? To stop Fate from needing to arrange too much muckery for a banana peel to be on the third step down?
>>46528337
Then PREPARE.
YOUR.
PROSTATE.
>>46536241
>>46528175
So while it'd be hard to imagine any Hunter cell running into a GMC demon because their inconspicuous as FUCK, has anyone here actually fought one with their squad?
How'd it go?
Question for you all. In the hunter game I'm currently in we're defending a changeling from a huntsman. Since the changeling and the cell only have the vaguest awareness of courts, how would you protect the charge from the huntsman?
>>46536945
Information is key when hunting the paranormal and hunters trust each others information.
Spread misinformation.
>>46536945
Tell the changeling to go bother the goblins for the 4 and 5 dot contracts. 3wp dots and they can escape any pursuit AND rescue themselves if they're caught.
>>46536968
Nono you miss understand the question, the hunters are protecting the changeling from a Huntsmen.
>>46535528
>4chan
>straight
bad news friend
>>46537713
>friend
>not faggot
>>46536909
Haven't encountered on in a game, but I threw a low-cover one into a mortals game as a neutral NPC. Upon witnessing a few glitches, their first instinct was to wait for the NPCwho had been largely uninvolved with them and was, if anything, helpful as she was the only one around with medical trainingto go to bed, then murder her.
They weren't even going murderhobo. I think the it just caught them off guard.
>>46536968
>>46537553
Maybe he means throw around false information for the Huntsman to find?
What kinda conditions have you lot come up with in your games for exceptional successes?
>>46536945
Well, for one do more research on huntsmen. What's chasing you? How do they approach? Look for his preferred means of approach and prepare to counter it.
Second Sight has a one dot merit for all thaumaturges listed - 'The Last Spell', but doesn't do anything from there. Any ideas what it was meant to be?
>>46538370
Never mind, found it on the authors site. It obliterates all their magical talents for whatever reason.
As a non mummy player trawling books casually: I've seen a lot of references to mortals. You've got Sybaris, sure, and their cult, but they can also bind relics and specialised in iremite magic with occult? Is that the extent of it, or does that iremite magic take things a step further?
>>46538118
They've originally tried to barge in and grab the changeling, it's changed approach time and time again.
Kill it and it comes back in two weeks. As far as I am aware there's no real way to destroy it.
>>46538951
Sounds like your huntsman is less finesse more power. If they keep changing, it means they're probing for a weakness. So give them one, make a "fake" weakness in your defenses for them to take advantage of and strike a blow, if you can get rid of them for a while you can start hiding.
Who was the last character you played or saw who genuinely sought to do nothing more than make the world a better place for all?
Regardless of the reality of the world they found themself in.
Shamelessly gonna plug the new Chronicles of Darkness podcast we have spinoff from Darker Days Radio.
http://networkzero.podbean.com/e/network-zero-1/
>>46539922
Ooh, been waiting for this.
What're you going to cover next episode?
>>46539929
Vampire. Lots to talk about for that one.
>>46539829
My Carthian Kerberos will want to do exactly that, once he figures out all this 'being dead' shit.
>>46539829
Never happened in my WoD games. Or other RPGs.
Maybe Arkham Horror?
>>46539829
An Amenti in a group of kow end vampires. I think they thought he was a treemere, what with the rampant abuse of celestial and nomenclature.
SUNRISE? NO ITS OKAY IM GOING TO TURN INTO A PILE OF ROCKS. BURROW INTO ME FRIEND.
>>46539929
When are you and dave going to.bang and spit out a coherent cosmology? Or at least one that doesn't rely on LOL ITS ALL IN UR HEAD IMAGINE SOMETHING THAT WURKS
>>46540216
What part of the cosmology are y ou unable to understand?
>>46540229
>>46540229
Lets go with every mage and spirit related argume t of the last hundred threads. They're all the same.
>>46540216
I doubt OP are planning to hire me to write a 'Unified Cosmology of the Chronicles of Darkness' any time soon.
>>46540254
There haven't been that many spirit arguments, usually they're cleared up by someone actually reading the books, or someone who has read the books explaining it.
Mage arguments are just as stupid
>>46540394
Especially considering that the cosmology should change between each chronicle done, to fit that one better.
>>46533218
more orders and quite different kind of backstory(Council vs Technocracy).
That's basically what I know.
Who is the swolest writer at Onyx Path? I think it's safe to say Morke loses because of the whole cancer thing, and I'd put DaveB towards the top cuz he's got that whole bargain bin Grant Morrison thing going for him.
>>46540216
A coherent cosmology outside of the individual lines is like the last thing CofD needs.
>>46542703
Then why wouldn't they go back to owod and stop even pretending everything is the same? They aren't even correct within their own lines half the time.
>>46542646
Gotta be Chris, he models for most of the werewolf art
>>46542646
I am very much not swole.
Malcolm Sheppard, on the other hand, does longsword fighting as a martial art and that workout thing where you hit a tractor tire with a slegehammer. I'd bet on him in a writer fight.
>>46540394
Everyone knows that's my job, anyway.
>>46540216
When I get paid to do it.
>>46542992
>When I get paid to do it.
>willingness to become a gay prostitute in order to obtain new writing opportunities
Interesting....very interesting
>>46542992
Watch it or I'll flood another ChroD dimension.
>>46542992
Oh shit Dave, shouldn't you be working of Mage?
But sence your here please answer this question for me, if you have your familiar claim someone does it stay your familiar? Or is the bond broken once the familiar combines with someone's soul?
>>46543218
... I Is that a t threat yyou can carry oout???
>>46543243
That is legitimately the dumbest thing I have ever read. Of course I can. All we do is muck with one another's settings.
>>46543279
And finally the fact I never used a trip code has come back to bite me.
I read somewhere here that Task Force:Valkyrie has a spirit nuke. What is it and in what book do i find it?
>>46543279
Hey Chris, I'm making a 4 dot fetish for a mortals game, my first question is: Would a 4 dot Fetish be enough to make someone immune to fire for a scene? Or would a 4 dot be more like turning lethal fire damage to bashing for a Human/Wolf-blooded/Uratha.
Also, are mortals able to use talens and are Wolf-Blooded able to use fetishes?
>>46543323
Its in spirit slayer. And it is what it sounds like a nuck that only kills thing that are spirit based and/or in the shadow.
>>46543342
Honestly, have you considered just playing a Mage? DaveB did a good job of destroying the fun of the game for everyone else.
But if a fetish is your thing, have you thought about just setting yourself on fire while you masturbate? It's a lot more entertaining than the sticky brown gospel I squirted out for the Idigam Chronicle.
>>46543342
Actually, I think you'd be mostly fine with a 3-dot Influence (Fire) fetish. It'd still require the activation roll/Essence cost but Control Fire should let you ward flame off yourself.
I'd need to dig into the fine details with a book in front of me but I *think* that'd do the trick.
>>46543226
We're up to doing the Page XXes. Fortunately, I have a list.
Yes, your Familiar remains your Familiar even if it uses another Manifestation effect, including Claim, but Familiars have a hard cap of Rank 2 Making the entity Rank 3 through magic destroys the Familiar bond.
Claim requires the entity to also have Fetter and Possess - a Rank 2 spirit doesn't actually have enough Manifestation slots to Claim someone, unless it starts dropping Numina.
>>46542646
Rose did MMA, though that was probably when she was Russel.
Judging from the cover of Dudes of Legend, Chuck Wendig probably can take a punch, in that drunk sort of way.
>>46533218
M20 has a lot of shitty mechanics.
More so than normal for a Mage book. Like they changed a lot because they tried to make the rules compatible with Mage 2e and it didn't work at all. I'd recommend using M20 as a guide line and to use Mage Revised instead for spellcasting rules. It will save you a lot of heartache.
A fucking lot. This is coming from a devote MtAs player too.
>>46543366
Nah, I don't care about mage until 2e is out.
>>46543394
Alright, thanks for the answer Shin-Chris! Trying to build a 'relic' for a mystery cult an I figure the power will be that the holder of the fetish/relic makes a person immune flames since the spirit inside it was the cause of the Yellowstone fire. Hopefully none of the unclaimed/Urged cultists try to use it when things go tits up.
>>46543504
>More so than normal for a Mage book. Like they changed a lot because they tried to make the rules compatible with Mage 2e
What?
I just had strange idea for a bloodline of Vamps that can only feed from people who are completely and totally drunk, with the added bonus that they suffer penalties to whatever skills they have if they go for more than BP hours without feeding on someone. Also they have alcohol manipulation as a bloodline Discipline.
>>46543552
Mage the Ascension 2e is a shitty fucking edition that doesn't work well with glorious Revised edition of Mage.
>>46543437
Cool so we will have mage soon.
And I'm glad that a claimed familiar is still your familiar. I did know that a Rank 2 familiar would not have enough manifestation on its own I was planning on using magic to get that along.
But i didn't realize you can drop numina for more manifestations thate actually really helpful...
Wait don't claimed lose numina? So if you give up numina to get claim, and then claim someone wouldn't that mean that the familiar no longer qualify to use claim? Or would that not matter sence that numina slot was already given away?
Fuck im confusing myself.
>>46543559
That's -kinda- a bloodline already, The Anvari from Bloodlines: The hidden, p20.
>>46543621
They wouldn't automatically un-claim, because that's not how the game is meant to work.
but if you want a mechanical response, I'm pretty sure copying a numen is a Dread Power option, so just pick that as one of it's abilities
>>46543576
Whoa, whoa there mother fucker!!!
Lets not drag an revised 2nd eddition ascension war in here.
>>46543643
Yay your right, I'm just over thinking things.
>>46543650
Hey, the only person here that likes 2e Mage is Dave because he's a filthy blood witch that thinks you need pre-storm to play a Void Engineer correctly.
Filthy fucking Verbena
>>46543559
>if they go for more than BP hours without feeding on someone
That means that your flaw hurts you *less* as you get stronger. Also, that means you need to basically drink hundreds of times a night.
Here's the Bloodline that >>46543629 mentioned
http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/cod/vtr/ClanLineageAnv.html
>implying that the bohagande aren't already the bloodline best suited for all purposes
>>46543715
>posting the subnet
Stop that baka! Can't let the authors find out about it!
>>46543735
Forgot my picture.
>>46543736
>Can't let the authors find out about it
>>46543674
What? Fuck off, I loved Mage Revised.
The mate of mine who played Cobalt in Soul Cage played a post-Avatar Storm Void Engineer, grounded by the storm and hating it, who betrayed the rest of the group for the chance to return to "space". It was awesome.
>>46543875
Say Dave is extra familiar is a appropriate marit for 2E?
>>46543903
I'm pretty sure Familiar is already a 2e merit. Making a second merit to take another familiar would be redundant; just take the merit a second time.
>>46543875
So when a rank 6+ spirit uses the numina that duplicate Imperial Practices, are they actually altering the Supernal? Or just the fallen world? Like, if Luna wanted to alter the werewolf template. Is she the supernal sponsor of the werewolves, or is there something else up there preventing them from being altered?
>>46543925
Expect normally you can take merits multiple times. If you can prove me wrong I'm happier for it.
>>46543939
Or, any spirit, to take away from Luna. Any rank 6+ spirit that goes to do something with Imperial duplicating numina.
>>46543939
They alter the fallen world. But that it turns alters the Supernal, ite like a reflection of sort they have to match.
>>46543973
Given the arguments, and the fact that the supernal defines the fallen world, rather than the other way, I think I'd prefer an author response.
>>46543994
>and the fact that the supernal defines the fallen world, rather than the other way
Nope. The Supernal symbolizes the Fallen world. It would be useless as a symbol if it didn't change to match the thing it's symbolizing. It's just that changing the symbols ALSO changes the thing they symbolize, thus Mage magic.
>>46543629
To be fair I was thinking about the Anvari when I came up with my idea, I was just basing my idea on booze and for some reason making them act like Bender when he HASN'T had a drink as a Bloodline Weakness.
>>46543875
Hey Dave, are you able to say if there's a setting/example city for Australia in Mage 2e?
>>46543956
>you can take merits multiple times
I'm guessing you meant can't, fampai
>What is Allies? Contacts? Retainer? Any other merit that isn't just a bonus to a dice pool, dice trick, or a new thing you can do(eg Parkour, Fighting Styles, Supernatural Merits)
>>46543994
>the supernal defines the fallen world
Objectively wrong by the 2e information Dave has given. Like >>46544036 said.
>>46544036
Sure. Whatever you say mate. Now lets wait on an author response rather than you taking up another piece of thread.
>>46543715
I am not a clever man when it comes to bloodline weaknesses.
>>46544083
Yay I meant can't.
I understand some merits can be taken multiple times, but not all.
Why else would merits like retainers or alternate identify have lines like " This Merit can be purchased multiple times"?
>>46544142
>Implying you're a man
>Not a cat
>Not a cripple little baby pooping in your diaper
>>46544251
I was just stating that my original way of mechanically describing a bloodline curse/weakness/thing wherein the vampire in question acts more and more inebriated the longer they go without feeding was not a sensible one
also
>Not a cat
MYAH!
>>46535569
Book cover guy and myself are different people. I actually took a break from WoD generals, but olderfags might know me as one of the Teen Wolf guys.
>>46539829
Never in WoD. I've seen characters want to make their own particular corner of the world better, but nothing as high minded as what you're talking about.
So someone has been working on a demigod fan splat on the forums. What do you guys think of his work so far? I'm interested in usung it myself.
>>46544603
>So someone has been working on a demigod fan splat on the forums
Is it you?
'sup guys
>>46544615
More like True Kono Dio Da
>>46544603
Link it faggot
>>46544613
Nope. But I'm weary of fan splat games, so I'd like some feed back if this is a good one or one like leviathan.
>>46544667
Thought i did.
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/853975-demigod-the-empyrean-fansplat
Is this the theme song of Mage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oKK8UT3bBM
>>46544730
Why wouldn't he just play Mage?
>>46544717
Princess is the only good fangame. Sorry.
>>46544730
Huh, so is this like, straight up just a "Fuck I didn't like beast, how about I try an make it not a pile of fags."
>>46544816
The gmc purified isnokay. Even if it is basically Purified: Supernatural autists. The amenti conversion was so so, but i think that's mkre trying to make it work for any culture.
Still not sure beast isn't an otherkin fansplat that snuck through.
>>46544717
>not liking Leviathan
But it's all about mpreg, that makes it basically canon.
>>46544953
>Seahorse: The Birthing
>>46544953
Chicks dig m-preg. Remeber guys, this is brought up in werewolf 2e
GENDER AND
PREGNANCY
Gender is fluid and gender expression does not
always relate to reproductive capability in the real
world. For the supernatural creatures of the World
of Darkness this is even more true. When discussing
creatures like Wolf-Blooded and werewolves with
powers like Luna’s Embrace, gender should have no
bearing on whether or not a character can become
pregnant. The only thing that should stop a male
character’s pregnancy should be a player who
doesn’t want to tell that story.
>>46544986
Oh god. It just gets worse. It's like the Mage line's artwork. Unicycle obrimos. Poisom ivy the archmage. Starvin marvin the scelestus. Every time you think you've hit rock bottom you open another Silver Ladder book.
Why are the author's fetishes such a big part of the world of darkness?
Can you combine Squaring The Circle with other spells to make the Duel Arcane more interesting?
>>46545084
One of the perks of writing RPGs. It's in all of them, some are just better at hiding it than others.
>>46544216
Still, the point is, rather than adding an entire extra merit for something that's a merit anyways, if it DOESN'T have the "you can take this multiple times" text, just fucking say it does for the purposes of doing the exact same thing without the unnecessary complication of adding an entirely separate merit.
>>46545084
there are few better ways to root out someone's sexual proclivities than in creative writing. Really. Read any book by anyone ever and you'll pick up on a couple of their boners.
?>>46545110
Anyone who ever played Lusternia: keep on mind the guy who wrote the description for Nifilhema later revealed that it was all fetish stuff.
>>46544730
Skimming it, it seems like a neat concept. But a neat concept lives or dies on it's purpose.
>>46544906
Doesn't seem like Beast at all. Seems like Scion. But much like Beast, a concept lives or dies on it's purpose. A game about farming your religion is about as meaningful as a game about feeding your Satiety.
Regardless, the template seems solid, though I'm not sold on Numinous Form or the Eternal Flesh (after all, *Gods* are rarely slain by mortal weapons, but these are *Demi*gods).
Faith as something that wells up is an interesting concept. Especially when Faith doesn't have to be people worshiping you specifically. Though there doesn't really seem to be much in the way of rules for when conflicting Faith harms you.
Still, after watching a video game reviewer talk about repairing shitty one paycheck cars and cap it off by getting on his knees and praying to the car to invoke it's spirit to keep driving one more week, faith in something mundane powering something magic is a neat idea.
Not sure if I like Attachment, either, but it's workable. A bit close to Harmony, though.
I'm going to completely skip the powers.
The Antagonists also seem pointless. Gigantes could have been better if they were broken Empyrean, like flawed apotheosis. Divine, but in a crippled and terrible way, unable to hide their monstrosity.
The Drasil isn't really cutely named, and it doesn't... do anything. It seems needless and tacked on.
So basically:
>Neat idea
>Okay template
>No purpose
Verdict:
>Why should I play?
Vampire is the same way.
Get dinner. Don't kill dinner.
>>46543218
>Watch it or I'll flood another ChroD dimension.
Chris, are we ever going to find out why the Underworld sprung a leak, and where the waters actually went?
>>46545451
I blame the corpse of Whale smashing through bottom of the Ocean of Fragments.
>>46545451
>>46545517
I think it was because of the shenanigans of those native Underworld Cthonians. We don't know much about them, but they sure seem shifty.
I also assume that the Underworld now has a very big hole in the "bottom." It probably leads to a VERY bad place.
>>46545451
I think that's a decision that's gonna be up to whoever develops a theoretical Geist 2e.
>>46539922
>"white privilege"
>"slut-shamey"
>"male gaze"
Yup, this is a CofD podcast alright.
>>46545613
>It's still only theoretical
Kill me.
>>46545613
So, even if you're they guy who stuck an entire ocean in the Underworld, we're not going to find out about the details until OP and WW approve a Geist 2e, it's actually developed, written and released, and then hope it's not information included in a later supplement or historical book. Hmmm....
You could of just said "no," the Underworld Ocean will almost certainly remain a CofD secret for the foreseeable future.
On a more positive note, given that you have absolutely no compunction about mucking with the CofD's ancient history, cosmology and entire realms, is there any chance you'll be the developer for a theoretical Geist 2e?
>>46545697
Why don't we all make our own WoD podcast. With blackjack, and hookers?
>>46545759
>WoD podcast. With blackjack, and hookers
Seers of the Throne Podcast?
>>46545837
Seers of the Porn. There's our title.
has anyone got a copy of the black hand v20 book yet?
On the subject of M20, one mechanic in particular always confounds me in that game, and that's the whole giving up instruments at higher Arete ratings.
I've looked around for this a lot, and I've never been able to find out why you would even want to do it. There's no rules for the process beyond just shedding an instrument every time your Arete increases beyond 3, and that you "become the focus" at Arete 9. I take that as you not gaining any penalties for not using an instrument, but it never really says as far as I can tell.
The only thing I could find is that you can get rid of the penalty from losing an unique instrument by shedding it.
But other than that, it seems that having less instruments available would be a negative rather than a boon, so what's the deal? Can anyone tell me?
>>46545753
Well, it could turn up in a book earlier than that if someone is writing for another gameline and decides to make reference to it.
As for your next question, I think I gave an answer on that a coupla threads ago, but the short answer is no, there's not really any chance I'll be developer for a theoretical Geist 2e. I'd be very interested in writing for it if it happens, though.
>>46545697
Lol. glad you like the show.
>>46546108
It's unfortunate you'll not be the developer for Geist, but hopefully you'll write all pertinent history and Underworld section of any 2e books.
Do you have any chapters in the upcoming Dark Eras Companion?
![oqQeJ0w[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/HVf9kXc.png "oqQeJ0w[1].png")
>>46546218
Nothing from me in the Companion, no, other than that I gave Leath some input on the stopgap Pure rules in the Roman era.
>>46546329
Will The Pack have full Pure rules, or will we have to wait for another supplement?
Who /SilverLadder/ here?
Actually how are the Orders coming along in 2e? Is there a mechanical difference between them now?
>>46546417
All day
Every day
Motherfucker
>>46546417
>Silver Ladder
>Not Guardians of the Veil
Fuck off ya cunt.
>>46546366
The Pack will definitely *not* have full Pure rules. I don't know when full Pure coverage is scheduled for in the 2e release line, I'm afraid.
>>46546140
Nearly a minute of static before opening up to the actual show is bad editing. Fade that after ten seconds or add some music or something.
>>46546709
Has OP revealed the upcoming Werewolf supplements after The Pack?
Are you currently writing for any CofD supplements that we don't yet know about?
>>46546794
>Has OP revealed the upcoming Werewolf supplements after The Pack?
I believe the schedule in one of the brochures last year had Secrets of the Tribes listed in it.
>Are you currently writing for any CofD supplements that we don't yet know about?
Not currently writing, though I have been asked to write for something in the future that hasn't yet been revealed.
So, I'm gonna be the voice of dissense here and say that The Sundered World was just meh for me.
Part of it I guess is that it's a crossover setting, and such it's something that I would never use, because while I do use resources of one line in another (Predators for 1e WtF was essentially the Spirit World sourcebook for Mage games, and I still consider it one of the best offerings of 1e Forsaken) I have never, nor intend to in the future, made games were the assumptions of more then 1 gameline were true. This also saddens me, as Forsaken and Awakening are my 2 favourite ChoD gamelines.
OTOH I still love To the Strongest to bits, and while The Wolf and The Raven, although shared with Geist (for which I have no love), was pretty interesting in it's details.
Just my 2 cents.
>>46546722
Just trying to set the tone. But we do have some licensed music lined up for future shows.
So we're allowed to use dread powers in place of Numina for spirits, right?
>>46546985
you're allowed to do whatever you want, comrade. We are all free. That said, adapting existing supernatural abilities into numina is really fucking easy.
>>46546985
Other way around
>>46546840
I'd recommend a numbers station broadcast in the background, or some spooky noises, having just regular static that long might make people think there's something wrong with the recording. Just my two bits.
Other than that it was fine. The quality of the various mics was better than I'm used to from a podcast, not a mix of too low or too staticy. The discussion was interesting, I don't know what the other anon was mad about, I didn't even notice too much identity politics, though it was a bit confusing that the first half of the show was all taking about games other than CofD that people are playing.
>>46547096
And to be fair, I've never listened to Darker Days or any of the other associated broadcasts (I have no interest in oWoD whatsoever) so if this is all part of an established style for your brand than disregard everything I said and go with what your audience enjoys.
>>46547118
We always open with some general gaming banter because we are normal people. It is also something we do on DD as a way of getting all the off topic gaming nonsense out of the way so we can be completely focused on the main content. Basically, we are real people too.
>>46547118
Oh FYI, Darker Days Radio covers WoD and CofD, and also does book reviews with an eye for what from one setting and used in the other.
Could weed bear make a good Beast horror?
>>46547902
Nah, he's a goetic entity of understanding.
Come on faggots where is the black hand? Cough it up or i'm calling the justicars.please
>>46546140
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed hearing you all talk about the game. I've actually got a small interest in Mummy now after hearing about the ST role changing between players.
I felt that the change of topic from CofD to movie talk was when things started to decline, however.
>Cleopatran Mummy is getting 10k bonus wordcount
HYPE
Y
P
E
>>46548180
before hype: source?
>>46548298
The guy on the OPP forums who paid for extra wordcount on WW1 Mummy had his suggestions completely get ignored, so they're making it up to him with this.
>>46548403
Fuck him, kickstarter is a donation not a purchase. His ideas were shit anyways, basically just 'reveal all the secrets of the gameline' without any context.
>>46548180
>>46548403
That's a whole lot of wordcount for a book that appears to be completely written and in the art and layout stage of development according to the Monday Meeting Notes.
It's possible that OP simply assured the backer that the Mummy material he originally wanted in Dark Eras is *already* included in the Cleopatra chapter of the Companion.
>>46548499
Certain Kickstarter Tiers are indeed actual purchases, and if OPP couldn't or didn't want to include the specific requested material, it should have advised the backer and negotiated for something mutually acceptable.
It's really a shame that Mage 2e never had a Kickstarter.
I've no doubt that it would have received more than sufficient support for a great many expansions and supplements.
>>46548499
>"Hey, can you mention antagonists in this chapter?"
>"Fuck you, random encounter tables."
Book of the Deceived and Dreams of Avarice have done more to "reveal all the secrets" than his ideas would've.
>>46548538
He's adding new content to the Cleopatra chapter, I spoke to him briefly on the forums.
>>46548403
>The guy on the OPP forums who paid for extra wordcount on WW1 Mummy had his suggestions completely get ignored
sounds like his ideas were terrible and Rich didn't have the heart to break the news.
>>46548626
I'm so sick of the Mage fanboys. I almost wish they'd just spin-off Mage to its own world away from the CofD so I can stop hearing about it.
>>46548632
>He's adding new content to the Cleopatra chapter,
I hope you're right and the backer and Rich really had a meeting of the minds. I certainly wouldn't mind more material in the Companion. It just seems very late in the process for such a large expansion.
>>46548637
>sounds like his ideas were terrible and Rich didn't have the heart to break the news.
That's distinctly possible, but then Rich shouldn't have taken the backer's money or they could have negotiated for something mutually acceptable. At least on the OPP forums, the backer seems like a nice and reasonable person.
>>46548626
I'm quite alright with the 2e cores not getting a Kickstarter. I've already waited like three of four years for the dang book, the last thing I'd want is KS delays. When it's done, it's done, and I'll just get a PoD if I want dead tree.
someone make a /wodg/ bingo. "aspelposting" is the free space. After that you've got "ironic mage supremacy shitposting," "post praising or scorning a game the poster has never played or read," "i am angry about pronouns," "gay werewolves..."
the possibilities are endless.
>>46548637
It's probably less that and more like someone like CAS going "you can't write about them until the books are out".
>>46548719
>Rich should have negotiated with the dude
yes that would have been the professional thing to do but c'est la vie. Has the guy actually complained about being "completely ignored" or is that the rumor going about the office?
>>46548670
Why are you annoyed that people who like a gameline would love more support and likely would have been more than willing to open their wallets for additional product? It's just capitalism.
Don't the fans of all gamelines generally feel this way? Isn't the support of Kickstarter precisely the reason why games like Demon, Mummy and even Beast received so much extra material?
Or, are you just bitter and resentful that Mage has a large and engaged fanbase and you're one of those ridiculous "mage supremacy" nonsense Anons?
>>46548753
>forgetting unironic mage supremacy shitposting
Shiggy diggy, mage
>>46548807
I don't know about "mage suprepmacy" or whatever but I just don't want OPP to lean on even more KS projects. Those things need a lot of logistics and planning, so I'd rather have them reserved for brand new IPs or gamelines. The WoD20 stuff is a minor exception, but that's because they're supposed to be extremely high quality nostalgia editions.
>>46548783
>Has the guy actually complained about being "completely ignored"
The poster seemed more legitimately sad or disappointed than angry or disgusted, and his posts were polite and certainly not aggressive or disparaging of Rich or OPP. He even questioned whether he was making too much of a fuss.
Heck, if I paid $1000 for specific additional material and all I got were some encounter tables, I wouldn't be nearly as nice or accommodating.
>>46548821
the only one i can recall in recent memory was the guy in that one campaign who was opening portals to the bottom of the marianas trench to murder people and even they were just recalling their antics, not going "wow mage is the best ttrpg i've ever played, my dick is rock hard at all this POWER"
>>46548807
>>46548880
I think one of the problems is that Kickstarter only allows a company to have one Kickstarter at a time.
It would be great if OPP were two or more distinct yet related companies, with one responsible for classic WOD and the other CofD (and maybe a third company or subsidiary for in-house stuff like Aeon, Scion, Pugmire, Cavaliers of Mars, etc.).
Such a suggestion might require a little more full-time manpower, but a higher volume and more consistent stream of published books would hopefully be able to both cover the costs and realize additional profit.
>>46548746
If Mage had a Kickstarter, there probably would have been fewer delays. Recall that Rich mentioned that Kickstarter projects, where people already pledged money, always had priority. It's the reason why Dark Eras was ahead of Mage in the layous queue.
>>46548753
>"aspelposting" is the free space.
>Not "Someone posts 'World of Fagness'"
>>46549006
I don't think it would have had fewer delays as much as it wouldn't have the delays it had in exchange for some brand new ones. Crowdfunding's here to stay, but it's not a magic bullet and I'd rather not see OPP get more dependent on it and instead would see a greater push to return to retail (which is already happening, so that's nice).
>>46548753
>someone make a /wodg/ bingo
Your forgot about all things related to worship at the alter of the Exalted High Church of DaveB.
On /wodg/, the Word of Dave is Law, the Word of Dave is Wisdom, the Word Dave is Glory, and we here are but his lowly disciples.
>>46549082
Although I have nothing against retail returning as a viable business model for TTRPG's, I believe those days are long gone and unlikely to return.
OPP really hasn't used Kickstarter as a necessary means to publish basic games, but rather Kickstarter appears to be the only practical venue for products like deluxe editions or smaller niche expansions. Since games like Mage have a very established and eager fanbase, I believe people would have been eager to pledge for such products, resulting in more material for us and more profit for Rich, OPP and Paradox.
>>46548895
He whined like a bitch about it on the OPP forums, and used atamijackoff as his hype man to demand he get 'justice'. It was pathetic.
>>46548895
>>46549257
Are either of you going to provide links?
>>46549269
It's mixed in with this thread on the OPP forums:
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/855662-dark-eras-gripes
>>46549269
Just go to the 'Dark Era gripes' thread on the OPP board. His post is the third one or so, and from there is just gets worse and worse.
