Is the Emperor of Mankind a heretic, by his own standards?
>>46523280
Not by his standards, but by those of his followers. Their imagined image of what kind of person he was differs vastly from who he actually was.
>>46523280
No. But by the Ecclesiarchy's standards... that's another story.
>>46523280
Define "his standards" your op is extremely vague.
>>46523430
He made a deal with the Chaos Gods but was furious when Magnus made a deal with Tzeentch.
>>46523430
Here, take a look:
>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind
>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/God-Emperor_of_Mankind
>>46523549
>He made a deal with the Chaos Gods but was furious when Magnus made a deal with Tzeentch.
this
The Emperor is pretentious: he's a very powerful psiker, who also made a deal with Chaos itself, yet anyone who tries to do the same is a heretic...
>>46523549
>>46523711
To be fair he is not a peer of anyone else in humanity.
>>46523549
>He made a deal with the Chaos Gods
That would be a hell of a good reason for him to tell magnus to cut that shit off
>>46523280
The Emperor doesn't really have a standard of heresy. Heresy is a religious concept and he is not a religious "person".
It might be better to ask whether he is a hypocrite or if he follows his own teachings.
>>46523549
He tricked, bargained, or stole power from the Chaos Gods to make the Primarchs who were demi-gods. He also went back on those deals which lead to the Chaos Gods being mighty pissed with him.
>>46523711
The Emperor was a physical god who's might equaled or surpassed the Chaos Gods. He was literally the reincarnation of thousands of alpha+ psykers into a single entity. He was pretty much incorruptible. Magnus, meanwhile, was just a demi-god and played right into the hands of Tzeentch.
>>46523280
Considering his "standard" was, effectively, "Everyone back off, I'm the only one with hair luxurious enough to handle this shit." I'd say he was not.
After all, can't be a hypocrite when your creed is literally "do as I say, not as I do."
>2016
>Not fighting for the Emperor
dafuq is wrong with you?
>>46524320
The whole point of Magnus is that he makes exactly the same mistakes as his dad only they tend to backfire a bit more spectacularly for him. Same with his Sons, only again, yet another extra layer of disaster.
Big E, Magnus, and most of the Thousand Sons all have the same flaw: thinking that they know best, because they know more than everyone else.
...and all the while, Tzeentch is laughing its ass off somewhere.
>>46524320
>who's might equaled or surpassed the Chaos Gods.
According to the HH? Not really.
He was a Perpetual who was given godlike power and knowledge by the Chaos Gods in the bargain. Despite being godlike, the Chaos Gods can still unmake him if he drew close to them which is why he was unable to close the gate on Molech.
>He was literally the reincarnation of thousands of alpha+ psykers into a single entity.
Might be retconned, considering the whole Perpetual lore.
The Emperor is among a group of immortal beings called the True Perpetuals. Ancient human immortals whose existence date back before biblical times.
>>46524431
>2016
>Not fighting against the Emperor
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
HE IS LITERALLY HITLER!
>>46524742
>>46518388
stahp pls
>>46523549
Literally no fluff addition made before or after will ever match that one in pure pants on head retardation.
>>46524742
>>46524834
>The Ork Diplomat
>Ork homeworld having the same effect as deathstar trench run
Come on, anon.
>>46524320
>He tricked, bargained, or stole power from the Chaos Gods
Every heretic does / wants to do this.
Most of them fail, of course, because they're not so powerful to do this:
>He also went back on those deals which lead to the Chaos Gods being mighty pissed with him.
But that does answer OP's question: the Emperor is a heretic by his - or the Imperium's - standards.
Also:
>Magnus, meanwhile, was just a demi-god and played right into the hands of Tzeentch.
Yeah, everybody plays right into the hands of Tzeentch, wilfully or not.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
>>46525058
Nope, "No Emperor, you are the heretics" is far more fucking retarded.
it adds being entirely superfluous on top of the merciless rape
>>46523280
>>46525216
>dat pic
Fuck, that xeno is right...
>>46525341
Fuck off, Xeno. If you were human, you'd know that it doesn't matter who he is.
What matters is his plan.
>>46525365
Well, congratulations, you got yourself fucked!
What's the next step in your master plan?
>>46524444
Nah, Tzeentch WOULD be laughing it's ass off somewhere if it didn't have half a million plans, and several billion plans that interdict and fuck over each and every single one of those plans, and the back-up plans to those plans and all of their counter-plans and back-up plans going on all at once and ending in a mish-mash that does absolutely nothing didn't already remove his ass from the equation.
>>46524649
Well, good thing we all know that Horus Heresy novels, and indeed all 40k novels in general are absolute trash.
>>46524742
I would fight for Mega-HitlerStalin against Satan any day and every day.
But I would not fight for North Korea at any point.
>>46525481
Crashing this galaxy...
WITH NO SURVIVORS!
>>46525599
They are trash, but with what happened to warhammer fantasy kinda shows that they don't care if trash writing is setting canon.
>>46525649
Too much meme.
>>46525689
The Chaos Gods are just memes with agency but little to no actual freely-oriented sapience.
>>46525649
Oh, you think Chaos is your ally... but you merely adopted the Warp.
I was born in it... molded by it.
I didn’t see Order until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!
>>46523810
This.
This is a simple case of "Do as I say, not as I do."
By the Emperor's standards, the Imperium would all be heretics for worshiping him as a God. He really, really didn't like it when Lorgar did it, and he'd be even more pissed at literally everyone else in the Imperium also doing it.
>>46525058
>>The Ork Diplomat
Fuck off. That Ork just said "Surrender or die". You know, what they say to all the races they enslaved.
Don't pretend you know about Ork lore.
>>46523711
because he was the fucking emperor and had the fucking POWAH to deal with the chaos gods.
Magnus wasnt ready and the Emperor knew this.
>>46526275
>had the fucking POWAH to deal with the chaos gods
It's not about power so much as skill. The Emperor tried to play the gods and got rekt a lot worse than Magnus.
>>46526341
no he got wrecked because magnus was a dumb brat and everything is magnus fault.
>>46526379
Magnus who was an unwitting pawn of the gods the Emperor had been annoying.
Emperor annoyed Chaos and Emperor gets rekt.
>>46526379
It is a poor shepard who blames his flock, especially of entirely engineered animals whom he created. The Emperor outright lost the Horus Heresy, there's no way around it, the Gods played and beat him, he barely escaped with the rotting Chaos-feeder that is the current Imperium.
