So a big plot point in oWoD is that humanity almost destroyed vampires during the Medieval Ages and that's why vampires maintain the masquerade. But wouldn't it be super hard to kill a vampire back then? Even with bullets humans have difficulty.
>>46521682
>>46521682
IIRC the vampires killed most of themselves through infighting, leaving the remainder to be ganked by humans (even if a single vampire is vastly superior to a human, a single vampire is going to have trouble against several hundred pissed off people armed with torches and pitchforks.
Bullets aren't very effective against WoD vampires, but swords, axes and the like were. A well trained knight is more of a threat to a vamp than a modern soldier, because the knight's weapon hurts them more, and they're used to fighting with that weapon.
That, and a liberal use of fire which was all the rage in the days of ignoring collateral damage.
Also, numbers were an additional advantage. Even an elder can be killed by a sufficiently large mob hell bent on destroying them.
>>46521682
Also,
> But wouldn't it be super hard to kill a vampire back then?
No. Drag out a vampire into the sunlight while he's in torpor (preferably tying him up beforehand), and wreck his shit super hard.
>>46521682
faith & fire
IIRC infighting severely weakened the vampires. That also led to there being a lot of young, dumb and shitty vampires being around. Those in turn got their brethren killed by blowing their cover or alerting the humans to the location of the sanctuary.
Axes and Swords are more effective than bullets and there were a lot more hardy assholes around that were capable of fighting with them.
True faith and conviction was also more common.
Additionally, people were more likely to just mob up and bash someone's brain in that looked too suspicious.
Additionally, the way "justice" worked also was partly against their favor. If someone accuses you of being a bloodsucker and you get put to the test, you can't hide it if the judge or torturer actually uses a method that identifies you as a vampire.
>>46521813
Plus True Faith was a lot more common, and crippling to vampires.
>>46521813
Yeah this.
There's kind of a reason that oWoD players, especially Hunters, carried around Katanas and shit. And not just because they were Matrix fans/weeaboos that take everything super seriously in their black leather dusters and trenchcoats.
I mean...that's clearly 90% of the reason, but the last 10% is people who realize guns are shit in the setting.
>>46521682
If humanity knew about vampires back then, why was the secret lost?
>>46521682
Not really, honestly vampires have it way easier today because violence is something we attempt to regulate and do efficiently, with the right powers, a vampire can more easily subvert our system because we have so much more of a system.
Back then if you think some guy is a vampire then the answer was to hack him into pieces with as many buddies as you can get. And old vampire lore didn't have them as unkillable superhero power types. The wooden stake wasn't to kill them magically, it was to stop their foul heart from healing.
Basically it's harder to get away with chopping up a dude into pieces nowadays, even if you know for a fact he's evil, the "right thing" to do would be to arrest them. Back then, fuck it, cut em up and burn the body. The methods they used back then worked better even if the equipment we have nowadays is more advanced.
>>46521916
>Additionally, the way "justice" worked also was partly against their favor. If someone accuses you of being a bloodsucker and you get put to the test, you can't hide it if the judge or torturer actually uses a method that identifies you as a vampire.
Damn, vampire trials are much easier than witch trials.
Just drag the guy into the sun.
Why are Vampires more resistant to bullets than swords or axes?
>>46528709
Because reasons. White Wolf has always had a strong anti-technology slant.
>>46528709
>>46529023
That one's actually fairly reasonable.
It's because vampires are corpses. They only need two of their organs to function: heart and brain. Shooting one with a bullet just doesn't do a hell of a lot. Oh no, a hole in the kidneys I don't use! Heavens to betsy, you've perforated the lungs I don't need! The way bullets kill, fragmenting and pulverizing organs with shock waves and making people bleed out, just doesn't work on a walking corpse.
Chopping them up works ok, though.
>>46529128
>hit vampire in leg with bullet
>a-ok
>hit vampire in leg with sword
>fuck
Yeah nah, you're an idiot.
>>46529128
They do need the gallons of fucking blood they drink to (un)live and to fuel their powers, so turning them into a fucking sieve with a shotgun should totally ruin a vampire's night.
>>46529338
What part of this aren't you understanding? Bullets make holes and damage organs, vampires don't bleed out, feel pain, or need organs.
Swords remove limbs. We're not saying that they do more hp damage or some stupid shit, the point is that if the enemy you're fighting doesn't feel pain, won't be stopped by organ damage or trauma and won't bleed to death. Then hacking off pieces of it until it doesn't have a leg to stand on is going to be more effective.
so yeah, your sarcastic quoting is 100% the case. A bullet might possibly catastrophically ruin the mechanical viability of a leg if it's a big enough bullet in the exact right place. But a sword is far more likely to manage the same thing.
And on top of all of that, vampire lore says to kill it you have to put a stake in it's heart because if you just stab it it will heal, you have to leave the stake in it in order to prevent it from growing back.
>>46521682
hey out of academia fa/tg/guy here. I know 2 is the square root of 300, but how do I get 1?
>>46529720
>swords remove limbs
top fucking kek
I suppose you think bullets just bounce off the bones, eh?
>>46529845
I suppose you think bullets do meaningful muscular damage that can't be ignored if you are on PCP or vampirism, eh?
>>46529845
Bullets don't always remove limbs, an axe has a better chance. On that note, submachine guns and shotguns should b pretty effective.
>>46530079
don't even have to remove a limb.
Bladed weapons will sheer muscle in a 2d plane, wheras bullets leave a bit of a cavity if lucky.
>>46521682
Superior numbers and the ability to operate during the day.
Also, angle A is 60 degrees, angle B is 30 degrees, BC is 10√3.
[math]A=60^\circ[/math]
[math]B=30^\circ[/math]
[math]BC=10\sqrt{3}[/math]
>>46530699
Oh fug, time to commit sudoku.
>>46521682
>image
1.) Angle A is 60° and Angle B is 30°
2.) 10√3, or around 17.32
>question
Humans greatly outnumbered vampires. Vampires weren't exactly secret about their presence (even if they were about their sleeping location). Humans had much higher faith, and so were more resistant to some vampire powers. Vampires were incapacitated half the time.
And, ultimately, humanity believed the vampire legends a lot more back them. If somebody was fanatically devoted to protecting a vampire, the townsfolk didn't sit around with arrests or interrogations or diplomacy. They just stabbed the guy, set him on fire, then went out to kill whatever they thought was the vampire anyways.
>>46528709
It depends on what you're being hit with. A shotgun blast to the head, for example, is still fucking deadly even to a vampire. Pistol rounds, unless there are a lot of them are as much of threat, but if a vampire is weak/really careless it's entirely feasible to take one down with it. Melee weapons are often good in setting because a: game-balance, and b: the can still deal a lot of trauma, but don't be mistaken, firearms can far surpass them when you go up in calibre. Vampires are as a whole more resilient but can't a huge amount of punishment, and all their healing requires blood. Vampires are actually on the fragile side of the oWoD creature spectrum (though elders can get stupidly power full), a new vampire is no more powerful than a human.
