4:05 am shitposting edition.
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>Tfw wisdom tooth surgery pain keeping me up
Well at least im catching up on both my orks and walking dead
So which Guard regiment is based on WWII Imperial Japan?
>>46517485
Dunno, but be sure to counts-as Chenkov in there for the human wave tactics.LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA HE'S STILL USABLE
The Imperium needs more Exocist missile launchers.
Anyone good at mathhammer?
I want a comparison for Thunderwolf Cavelry vs Wulfen. Against say, a unit of 3 csm.
Just based on an individual model from each unit, no upgrades. Both offensiveness and survivability.
Respecting it's 30points vs 40points.
I'm not great at that kind of stuff, but i know a mathfag will get a kick out of doing it and I respect then for that.
Returning player looking for some advice here.
I used to play back in 4th and 5th edition, mostly IG and Nids, although I've also got some CSM and Eldar stuff.
Moved over to Warmachine and from there into Infinity and historicals.
Recently, I've been bitten by a bit of a nostalgia bug and might try playing a few games of 40k every now and then again since it seems to be getting a bit of a revival in the local scene as well.
Are there any particular things I should keep in mind, any common pitfalls I should avoid?
I'll probably have a simple 750-point game against one of the local players later today.
>>46517725
That's actually a fantastic idea and Ilike your photo edit.
![1082119844[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UdVzbXC.jpg "1082119844[1].jpg")
>>46517725
Needs moar churchtank.
>>46517751
That is quite a lot of variations (wulfen/thunderwolves with base weapons, claws, hammers, axes; then CSM with and without marks, (though we can probably ignore tzeentch,) and whether an aspiring champion is involved, and then whether said aspiring champion has a melee weapon). It's not a quick thing to work out all the permutations, as you've posed the question.
>>46517843
I like it, but it's not mine.
What units does Forgeworld sell that are still good?
>>46517751
In an upgrade-less situation for both SW and CSM the Thunderwolves win both offensively and defensively thanks to rending, higher toughness and higher armor
>>46517923
Good? Model? Specific combat role?
Why is GW producing so many Chaos models for end times but not 40k. Surely they most have realised since Dark Vengance if they re-made a bunch of basic kits anywhere close to the design of the chosen models they would make a killing. I'm fine with the price increases but not for 15 year old kits.
>>46517923
Riptide variants.
>>46517855
>no upgrades
>too many variations
Fucking reading comprehension anon
>>46517935
Are you taking feel no pain into consideration for defense? Initiative into offense? Yet alone things like rage on the charge.
>>46518223
>>46518238
Just do it yourself you twat. Mathammer isn't hard.
Reposting because I posted it at the very end of a thread that I didn't get a chance to check and didn't get seen.
Astra Militarum
HQ
Command Squad [177]
> 1x - Castellan Creed
> 4x - Veteran; Vox-caster, Medi-pack, Regimental Standard, Sniper Rifle
Troops
Veteran Squad [100]
> 1x - Veteran Sergeant
> 9x - Veteran; 2 flamers, vox-caster, Krak Grenades, Grenadiers doctrine
Veteran Squad [100]
> 1x - Veteran Sergeant
> 9x - Veteran; 2 grenade launchers, vox-caster, Krak Grenades, Grenadiers doctrine
Veteran Squad [100]
> 1x - Veteran Sergeant
> 9x - Veteran; 2 launchers, vox-caster, Krak Grenades, Grenadiers doctrine
Heavy Support
Leman Russ Squadron [300]
> 2x - Leman Russ Vanquisher; Heavy Flamers
Wyvern Battery [130]
> 2x - Wyvern; Heavy Flamers
Hydra Flak Battery [70]
> 1x - Hydra
Total Points: 977
Setting this as a 1000 point goal. I want to eventually build up to a 1500, but I'm thinking of using this as casual play against people in store.
is there a printable version of the 40k rulebook, that is not 400 pages long? i wanted to print four or five for my gaming club. the reference sheet is an option, but i would like to have the whole rulebook. maybe a decent scan?
>>46518255
I guess you're sticking to what bitz you get in the infantry squad box, but grenade launchers are pretty mediocre when plasma guns are an option. Is there any way you could get hold of plasma guns, either from asking around at your local club (marine players tend to have spare special weapons) or ebay etc.?
A couple of chimeras wouldn't be a bad idea either to get squads onto midfield objectives, but I do realise you're up against it points-wise. I'd drop the hydra and demote CREEEED to a company commander, as neither is essential at 1000 points.
>>46518371
I've got game day coming up so I might see if I've someone has spare parts. I haven't actually built the third vet squad (waiting for some third party head to come in) and haven't gotten the second lot of Wyvern or Russ.
How needed is AA typically? I was talking with a few guys about it and they said some metas are different where some absolutely wreck because no one bothers to pack AA.
>>46518368
>check the OP
>DL the rulebook
>edit out all the extraneous info
ez pz
>>46518368
https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/one-page-40k/
How deadly are Assassins?
>>46518440
pretty deadly.
>>46518426
Please don't. That shit is too far removed from 40k to be in any way useful for people learning the game.
My renegades & heretics.
I love it, but how can I make it a wee bit compettitive, using IA13/Vraks.
>inb4 AM codex
Has anyone used Wayland Games before? I ordered modelling equipment from them eleven days ago and nothing has came. Annoying as I've been off of work this week from an operation and was hoping to get back into the hobby. I guess I can't complain as it was Easter Weekend.
>>46518398
Round my way, you generally don't need AA at 1000 points (any fliers that are taken may not do enough damage). But like those dudes say, it varies from place to place. Maybe best to hang about at your local club to see what people tend to bring.
In any event, personally I view the hydra as a "take two or don't bother" unit, hence why I'd leave it at lower points levels. (And remember vendettas are another option.)
>>46518478
Ally in knight or three.
>>46518478
Dunno about competitive, but I bet 50 man zombie squad and 50 man mutant rabble with tons of artillery would be fun.
>>46518478
Those look cool as fuck anon, maybe add in anothor tank?
>>46518368
No.
Main rules are bloated with poor explanations, overlarge pictures, convoluted examples that increase confusion and circletalk.
It's easier to rewrite it from scratch than edit the heap
>>46518573
Chaos Knight or Kytan Daemon Engine?
>>46518588
I've got three Leman Russes (2 battle tank/1 Exec) on the way, plus an additional two Wyverns and 3 heavy mortars.
>>46518478
I plan on starting a LaTD army once I finish my guard.
I think the idea of using lots of beastmen, catachan, chaos marauder, and third party parts would be good for a large blob of mutants.
I also planned on getting a kit of forsaken for the mutations but they're OOP now.
>>46518478
Tarpit their expensive units, use Ordnance Tyrant pies to rain death on both your units locked in melee.
if a unit is placed on the second floor of a building, (ruin) and takes up all the space on that layer, can it be charged? there is no way to place a model in contact with them, because there is no space up there
>>46518658
Yes
>>46518675
a reference or explanation would be great. i know, that you cant magically save your ass by taking up all the space, but i dont find a ruling for that.
>>46518597
Plain regular imperial knight will do. Most of the time it won't be in range for "One eye open" and that can be fluffed out so that the daemon bound to the knight is so batshit insane that no one trust him. Not even the knight himself.
Is it unfair to bring a Culexus Assassin at 500 pts?
>>46518697
Depends on what the rest of your army is.
>>46518697
Well it's 28% of your points on a single footslogger. Sure etherium is hard to deal with and any psychic niggery will have hard time but if the opponent is competent in any level he should be able to work his way around of it in some fashion.
Is the Baneblade worth the points? I've been thinking about getting one to be the aesthetic centrepiece of my army but I don't know about if it's worth it in the game.
>Want to ask a question about age of Sigmar
>The thread is always fucking dead
Why are they bringing Slaanesh back as a good guy working with Sigmar now? What the fuck happened to bring about this turn of events?
>>46518697
If it's a friendly game, or is your opponent footslogging tyranids/Daemons/Eldar/GKs? then kinda. I run Inquisition at 750 and i once walloped an aspect host with jetbike CAD Eldar through a pair of Death Cultist blobs with priest and psyker and a plasmaspam acolyte squad mixed with Culexus support. Admittedly, it was mostly because he left his farseer within gib range of the S5AP1
>>46518745
For Renegades and Heretics? its amazing, free sponsons, reliable leadership and Zealot makes it amazing. For Guard? Not really. a pair of Thunderers or similar do the job almost as well for like 200 points less
>>46518757
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it an 8
>>46518633
Can one hit units that are locked in assault, through the ordnance tyrant rule, where it states I can target my own units?
AFAIK.
>>46518763
Ha ha, well meme'd my friend!
But seriously, what is happening with the story in AoS? is Slaanesh not back?
>>46518763 It definitely frees up a lot of points if what you're saying is true about the guard Baneblade. I don't plan on doing big point games anyway. May get it when my entire army is finished, though. It seems like a very good "the commander is compensating for something" tank and I love it for that.
>>46518779
GW is keeping quiet; we've been through a year of nurgle and a year of khorne, this is the year of tzeentch so presumably next year slaanesh will make a comeback and rape the Horned Rat into squatdom. That said, keep it to AoS threads please, too many 40kg's get ruined by AoS shitposting
>>46518814
Frankly, its overkill for its points. Just bisect a Commissar and have a budget Yarrick poking out the top for your commander. That said, it's a gorgeous model so definately do it and post it finished to /wip/
>>46518779
no idea
>>46518745
it'll do the job though most go to knights as their lord of war these days. i could see it being really fitting for a guard army with an alternate paint scheme
Is there a real reason why so little people go play Sisters of Battle?
The picture and paint scheme seems really old and bad on the GW site, but a good coat of paint makes it seem like it might be alright.
Also, do Chaos sisters exist whatsoever? I googled it but not a lot came up outside of a single character.
>>46518869
They haven't been updated in forever, so the model range is lacking and expensive.
>>46518869
>>46518779
>>46518771
>>46518757
>>46518697
Are we being Baited?
>>46518888
I think so.
>>46518888
I think possibly so. Rise above it.
>>46518888
I literally started the hobby a month ago. Didn't want to find out that there was some horrid secret as to why so little people played SoB.
>>46518779
Since Slaanesh got godnapped by the Aelves, once GW gets to the Aelves, one would imagine Slaanesh will become more relevant.
>implying Slaanesh will ever be relevant.
>>46518255
since you have some spare points
take the wrath of cadia pistol on creed, it's only 5 points for the pistol and it's pretty great (always wounds on a 4+ and armor saves always fail on a 4+)
im' not sure if you can take volkovs cane since it says company commanders only but then again creed is an upgraded company commander so i'm unsure
volkovs cane means orders within 6' only fail on a 12 not really necessary since creed gets an reroll regardless (which is another thing i think you can scrap your vox carriers since creed gets automatic rerolls and i don't think you can reroll them twice but i might be wrong there)
>>46518945
special characters can't take relics or other equipment, otherwise i'd pack skulltaker with a greater aetherblade all the time
>>46519045
ah explains it
welp might as well get closes crew compartment on the hydra and bolt pistols for the vet sarges then
>>46518920
>implying gw is going to get to the elves
>implying they arent just releasing khorne/sigmarine shit they made 2 years ago
>implying AoS wont be gone in 2 years
I'm thinking about starting a dark Eldar army. Will anyone complain if I count wyches as allied harlequins?
Can we keep the AoS shitposting to the AoS thread?
>>46519177
probably , but people always complain so just ignore it
>>46518440
>battlefield reshaping tier
Vindicare
>Situational powerhouse, apply with care tier
Culexus, Callidus
>junk but still fun because WWWWRRRRRYYYYYY tier
Eversor
>>46519186
It's been asked for dozens of times. But it's the perfect shitposting fuel. Shitposters will claim the sky is falling, again. Like they have for the last 10 years.
>GW lost tens of millions with AoS!
>GW lost all their profits last year!
>GW is releasing Starter Boxes! Sure sign they're dying!
>GW is releasing Age of the Emperor Prototype Boxes! They totally have never done that before!
Etc. Etc. Just don't reply to it.
>>46519158
I'd trust a prediction from /tg/ about as far as I should spit. Every year it's "SoB Plastics" and every year nothing happens. Every year it's "GW is dying, Hasbro buy our incoming!" and nothing happens.... However you could well be right. I expect in two years AoS will be complete and will not get any new stuff.
>>46519226
>maybe if i bury my head in the sand the huge profit drop last year will go away
>the possessed literally have synapse
tyranids confirmed for ded
>>46519177
actually that's a pretty good idea, i would mix and match along with cutting off some of the spikes
>>46519314
it's a weird quirk, i guess the daemon prince is suppose to give them a stable warp presence? which doesn't make sense since the human host provides that. i'm rather worried of the crimson slaughter update
>>46519286
>huge
>>46519433
>over 10% drop
>not huge
>>46519415
>which doesn't make sense since the human host provides that
that's not simple possession, that's advance possession
perhaps the flesh or the host is too weak for that
>>46518869
The model range is ancient heavy pewter, which is rather expensive, for relatively few minis-per-purchase. It's something like $30 for three minis that aren't exactly modern in detail.
GW hasn't made the Sisters look very cool for the last few years, because they keep dying/getting worfed in fluff to make other factions look better.
Similarly, the codex has been rather neglected. They've never been a particularly top-tier or well-rounded army, so there haven't been many flavor-of-the-month collectors in comparison, to, say, Tau or Space Wolves.
Long story short, in comparison to most of the other armies, everything about them is out-of-date, so they don't sell. But because they don't sell, they don't get support. It's a vicious cycle.
As for Traitor Sororitas, no, there aren't really many. There's one who has willingly chosen chaos, and there are a few instances of them falling. But by and large the Sisters fluff is that their love of/dedication to the Emperor is far stronger than the average Space Marines and Grey Knights chapter. That's why they get the Emperor's protection and Saints.
>>46519314
>Paying [x] points for a DAEMON PRINCE babysitter
>Taking Possesed ever. much less TWO units of the fuckers.
>Footslogging that shit when the prince want's to fly ahead and be free
>Implying the I5 or Rending even matter when possessed table rolls potentially make them useless or null
That formation is garbage bro, and a poor facsimile to synapse, Nids have nothing to worry about.
Orks on the other hand are straight up replaced by the Hounds of abbadon formation doing everything they do with a 3+ save
>>46519480
Which was entirely due to exchange rate fluctuations.
>>46519580
>being this retarded
sure thing kiddo
>>46519590
>kiddo
Opinion discarded. I actually thought you two were having just some bants but now I realize you're just trolling.
>>46519590
>>46519580
>>46519480
>>46519433
>>46519286
Do we have to do this every couple of weeks?
>>46519186
Report, hide, post good content.
>>46519415
>>46519212
As I don't actually own Da Rules yet, I'm not sure how allies work. Could I start with the "wyches" embarked on a raider or would I have to do that on the first turn?
>>46519547
>Orks on the other hand are straight up replaced by the Hounds of abbadon formation doing everything they do with a 3+ save
Hey there, woah. I don't see those Chaos units getting a Str 3 Hammer of Wrath attack if they field 10 or more models in a unit.
>>46519605
its not an opinion you retard
>'their profits didnt drop!'
>yes they did
>'wasnt a big deal'
>over 10% profit drop is a big deal
>'nuh uh the gbp is just worthless!'
how many excuses are you retarded shills gonna make?
>>46519627
Get the rules from OP and help yourself.
>>46519650
I'm on mobile so I can't download anything for a few hours.
>>46519636
>Tfw Chaosfag
>Tfw i will never know the glory of S3 hammer hits under very specific conditions
>Tfw i will never have a mega-Forgefiend with a 6 chosen transport cap
>Tfw no Nobz in a 'Naught
>Tfw my Cultist champ will never kill his own men after a failed LD check
>Tfw my Terminators are forced into having a 5+ invulv and will never be meganobz
Just kill me
>>46519636
Well, we haven't seen the joys of the new crimson laughter formations yet.
Mates, I can't choose between the Astra Militarum Start Collecting box, or the Tyranids Start Collecting box.
The Tyranids looks more fun to paint, but I absolutely love the vehicles of the Astra Militarum, as well as their 'Normal Guys' sort of theme going on, but hate the way their faces/heads look, as well as the Commisar looking like it'd be a pain to paint.
Can you guys list me the pros and cons between the two?
My friend is getting the Necrons Start Collecting box, if it matters?
>>46519755
Which army seems like they'd be Your Guys the most. You already seem to want to roll Imperial Guard, so go with it.
>>46519755
>but I absolutely love the vehicles of the Astra Militarum, as well as their 'Normal Guys' sort of theme going on,
It seems like you like Imperial Guard more.
You're in luck, you can field a parking lot army with IA, where you literally just plop tanks onto the field (that have infantry hiding inside).
>>46519755
I'd say the astra militarum one is a much more usable force out of the box than the tyranids. Or, to put it another way, everything in the AM box will be useful as your army grows, while with the nid box you may end up leaving stuff on the shelf.
There's plenty of options for headswaps out there if you don't like the cadians.
>>46519755
Go AM, but keep that tank away from the Necron Warriors.
Tyranids and guard are kind of the same, lots of guys and a few heavy units supporting them. Suppose it boils down to do you like Combat or Shooting more?
Astra Militarum allow for more character and you could always pick up some alternate WW2 heads
>>46519755
Imperial Guard:
Pros
-HUMANITY FUCK YEAH
-Can ally with the other 10 imperium armies
-Horde shooty army or TANK SPAM shooty army
Cons
-If you dont like horde shooting or tank spam they're not the army for you
-if you go with an infantry list it'll take for-fucking-ever to get through turn 1 and 2 movement/shooting
Tyranids
Pros
-MOTHERFUCKING MURDERBUGS
-imo best looking army
-you're a swarm of spacebugs who just want to consume
-how fucking cool is that shit
-it's like alien up in here, sheeeiiitt
-fun playstyle in theory, hordes of cheap infantry backed up by monstrous creature murder machines
-close range/melee army, almost all of their shooting is withing 18 or 24 inches
Cons
-current codex is fucking terrible, one of the worst codexes in the game alongside SoB and Chaos Marines
-it's real bad bro
-get ready to lose
tl;dr go Imperial Guard if you want to shoot, Tyranids if you want to get up in your opponent's face
>>46519773
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>>46519865
Well, looks like I'm going with the Astra Militarum Start Collecting box, thanks for helping me out!
A tank army sounds quite fun, honestly.
Hi, ive been wanting to start collecting 40k with a view to eventually playing. The only exposure I've had to lore and stuff is through the video games and various parts I've read online.
I'm not exactly sure what set to get first though the start collecting ones seem good for their price.
Anyway, I'm sort of stuck between all the available options for the start collecting sets, can anyone point out good ones that look good and could maybe be used to play in the future.
Also, what happened to the Eldar? They don't seem to have a starter set and I really liked them.
TL;DR What starter sets are good?
>>46519710
Poor spiky git. I bet you don't even have the option to give your characters 6+ FnP. Don't tell me your just access to those useless invun saves instead.
Chaos update when?
>>46520053
Don't play an army because it is "good".
That is how you become a shitlord.
>>46520053
Eldar do not have one, neither do CSM DE etc.
Buy the army whose models you like.
If you buy because rules or in-game-powerlevel, I can guarantee that it will be very different in 3-4 years
>>46520053
>what starter sets are good
Skitarii
Necrons
>>46520209
The Tau one is also good, you basically get the Fire Warriors for free, but the formation isnt that great. The Space Wolf one has an awesome formation, but isnt really that great of a savings.
>>46520302
I got two of the Space Wolves ones off ebay for ~65 ea which made them great deals, gave me both my troops, TWC and ThunderWolf Lord. Now I got a drop pod and some long fangs and a healthy 1250pt list.
>>46520209
>>46520302
I'm guessing there's no really cheap way of buying the paints? Each collection requires around 3 sets of paints. When combined with the tools I'll need its going to cost me over double the collection price.
>>46519913
Even if you intend to play a tank-heavy army, here is a big tip for Astra-Militarum players:
You will find yourself searching for melta/plasmaguns soon, because the basic infantry kit does not provide any, only the command squad. So get some of these old metal minis, cadian with melta and plasmagun while they are still available.
>>46520462
You don't have to use citadel paints but yes the buy in for the hobby is rather high especially if you plan on painting well.
>>46519627
Dedicated Transports have to start with nothing or their indicated units aboard. First turn, Wytches will have to embark before it moves.
>>46520495
A big problem with paints is, that you spend alot on paints, where you need only little.
So while the main paints are okay, as in you empty the pot with a reasonable amount of minis, many paints are needed in ridculously small quantities making one pot enough for a whole chapter
look at these. How much Iron/gold is needed here? How much red?
>>46520568
If you mean Wycharlies you can buy an empty raider from the fast attack to give them a clowncar where they can begin the game inside.
>>46520462
Yeah, the paints can be a fairly sizable upfront cost, but they last fucking years if you water them down as you use them
If there's a local GW near you they let you use their equipment and paints for free
>>46520614
Yeah there's one in my city. Haven't been years, knew you could sit there and assemble/paint but wasn't sure if you had to bring your own stuff or could use stuff for free.
>>46519865
>SoB
>One of the worst codices in the game
For choice, maybe.
They punch like a motherfucker and will happily take on MC-spam lists.
>>46520589
Oh I agree I bought a tub of some blue just for my plasma and it will last me forever.
>>46520651
If it is a GW you are using your own paints and probably supplies. Maybe they have snippers and water cups out.
Find its Rival.
>>46520657
Even Flyrants?
>>46520468
for 15 queendollars you can get 2 meltas + cadian torsos + respirator head and 3 torsos with respirator heads
which is really useful for me since i used up a packet of guardsmen torsos anyway on my scion conversion
>>46520727
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>>46520709
Really? They must have changed policy since I was last there. I haven't been to one for a good five years, but they used to have a dozen brushes, glue and the full range of paints out for people to use
>>46520752
* 3 melta's sorry
>>46519913
btw anon if you equip your 10 man veteran squad in that first formation you get with the start collecting box with the forward sentries upgrade your guardsmen get a 3+ cover save if they are within 6' of your tank, which is amazingly fun if the enemy doesn't have anything that ignores cover because they don't expect guardsmen to be so durable
beware of flamers tough
>>46520774
The amount of people abusing it and stealing pots was astronomical. Some shops might still do it, but most won't, anymore.
and I can't really blame them for it
>>46520774
>>46520709
mine has some dark vengeance models and paints that new people can use to try out painting a model or two
on your own models you usually use your own paints and brushes though
>>46520869
Mine allows only for testing colors out and maybe for some details.
They are more generous with repeat customers where they know it will not be abused.
>cabal
5 x 150 pts Sorceror with ml3, bike, and familiar
>CAD
150 pts another Sorceror, same build
100 pts two squads of cultists
>total 1000 pts
I don't know why I am considering this
>>46520871
Yeah that is standard. They have those boxes of solo tacti marines and three or four jars but that is strictly for noob demos.
so ive been out of 40k for about 6 years or so, but a friend of mine bought the dark vengeance pack and i really loved that short edition rulebook.
anyone of you know where to find it as a pdf?
Didnt see it in OPs post.
>>46521018
I haven't seen a pdf of it in ages but it is $30-$40 on Ebay and totally worth having a hard copy of.
Anyone know the odds of a Tervigon getting menopause? It's 2 or more dice rolling the same number out of three, and I can't find a simple answer online.
>>46521060
I'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to live long enough to go through menopause.
>>46521018
Nowadays no one is willing to scan their physical books. You will only find the digital versions (of which there isn't the little rule book) unless it's a forge world book, since those don't have digital versions [spoilers]and they will only come out after weeks or months and a googolplex of anons having asked "Do you have scans of book X"[/spoilers]
Can Orks ever have too many boyz?
>>46520696
>Bought Silver for Grey Knights
>Suddenly I find myself applying them to my Aspect warriors
Help
>>46520209
Orks too
>>46521060
keeping in mind I haven't done probability mathematics for a good decade, I think it's 0.167
>>46521060
i may be totally wrong, but i think its 0,055
6^3 ways to throw 3 dice.
there are only 6 ways two dice can show the same numbers, as well as 6 ways where 3 dice can show the same number.
6^3 divided by the 12 possible throws.
>>46521164
don't you need to multiply it by 3! because the three dice could be rolled in any order?
>>46521127
>bought silver primer for my Necrons
>use it on all my bikes and landspeeders
I didn't think Army Painter would be so awesome but I swear they have fit 2x more paint in the same size can.
>>46521151
actually this is wrong, I worked it out where you had to roll a specific number twice, not any one
>>46521126
>mob rule
Yes.
>>46518478
Decidedly jelly anon. Very nice painting and composition. Infantry is almost identical to my hypothetical layout but I can't justify starting another infantry army before my Guard is finished. A+
>>46518511
I have and has had no issues. They are a serious company though so their customer service should be able to help.
>>46518255
If dump Creed for now. He really wants more big squads to order.
If you downsize the CCS, you could get another vet squad. Or get Pask or another tank commander, then you could split up the wyrvren squadron to.
>>46518511
I used to use them years ago, circa 5e grey knight release.
Suggested them to my friend this December to get him to order some hordes.
Found out what they say they have in stock isn't really in .stock
You order something, so they then order it from their supplier, wait for it to get to them, then forward it to you.
That's isn't the case for everything, something's they keep stock of and send straight our, if it's popular or common.
Another friend confirmed his game group found the same.
Another thing was when my friend ordered his hordes warlock model it got lost in the post and he had to wait a month before they would do anything. They didn't offer to send it out again, just refunded his money without asking... So he had to go through the purchase process all over again...
I felt bad for making the recommendation
>>46519627
You can take a Dark Eldar Raider in the fast attack slot and harlequins can start the game in them since battle brothers.
>>46518255
Why are you keeping the heavy flamers on the vanquishers
They shouldn't be getting that close to anything
>>46521018
After yesterday's bitchfest, I took it upon myself to slice the OP'S rulebook.
Originally it was 800+ pages.
Defluffed, it's 412 pages of rules- still nearly twice the size it should be considering the physical copy is a little over 200 pages. I would love a straight scanned pdf of the physical rulebook for further convenience, but as that one anon pointed out, nobody is willing to put forth the effort and would rather deal with geedub's fucking awful digital versions.
I'm at work and on my smartphone, but I'm willing to upload it if anyone has a site to recommend where I don't have to make an account or anything. It's 58MB so I can't attach it to this post sadly.
Would Eldar Jetbikes be more reasonable if they only had a 4+ armor save?
I thought the catalog had a quick reference version of the game rules. I mean, I have it on my computer and phone, it's about 6 pages...
How Viable is a 'Wraithwall'?
I'd love to make a list with no actual Eldar, save a Spiritseer or two and maybe a few warlocks (assuming you can take them with?)
>>46522108
Eldar wraith anything works very well. Be careful about being Thatguy with it
>>46522052
4+ AND one heavy weapon per 3
>>46522108
So strong will honestly have problems finding people who are willing to play against that
I was wondering about the effects of chimeric geneseed. What would happen if there was a chapter made from Blood Angel and Dark Angel geneseed?
>>46522052
While it would make them much easier to kill (Heavy Bolters would be able to start forcing Jink saves which is nice) it doesn't solve the issue of them having way too high killing power per model (Scatter Lasers) and being too God damn fast and thus being able to play the Objectives Game stupidly easily.
It also rubs some people the wrong way that all other Bike upgrade equivalents don't boost armour to the degree that Jetbikes do.
Like regular Marine bikers, Orks ('eavy Armour kind of counts I suppose), and even Dark Eldar just get the +1 Toughness whereas Eldar also get a nice 3+ armour save on top of it.
>>46522140
Really? A friend told me Wraithlords were a liability. Guess I should be careful what I believe.
Are there any configurations I can use to tone it down for casual games like taking lots of x weapon on the 'lords (I plan to magnetise the options anyway)?
>>46522207
Wraithlords and Wraithblades are both fine. They're not OP, but you won't be gimping yourself by taking toughness 6 infantry and toughness 8 MCs.
Its wraithguard and wraithknights you need to be careful with.
>>46522169
good question, you probably end up like the lamenters or another set of blood angel's with the black rage
>>46522207
Wraithlords?
Oh, these, they are pretty ok,
the other option to tone it down are wraithblades, who can be a bit underwhelming
I thought you meant wraithguard(either weapon) or the wraithknight. Both are strong contenders for best unit ingame
>>46522187
Well, marine bikes would get ridiculous if their save went up to 2+. Scout bikers and Orks bikers both benefit though.
I think this change would be good if it applied to Dark Eldar as well and gave them 4+ bikes, just so they're less reliant on Jinking. The only Eldar bikes that could possibly justify a 3+ save are shining spears.
I do agree that the heavy weapons issue is the real issue, which is a shame because squads having all the same guns is so stylish.
>>46522259
I was wondering if the Dangle genes would offset the Thirst and Rage.
>>46522169
I think hybridic geneseed has been tried. Once. It did not work out well. They were called the 'ill-faited' chapters IIRC
>>46522259
>>46522260
Well, it's a flavour army that I'd like mostly to paint and look at, finding the appeal in the idea of a roughly lawful/true neutral necromancer. I might try to take 50:50 Guard/Blades and a few lords so.
It might be the best of both worlds. I'll have a pretty, themed army that's only two dozen models or so off being very competitive if I ever feel the need to win anything other than the adoration of fellow painterfags, which is unlikely.
>>46522380
There was the Relictors who were UM/DA but that did end badly.
>>46522381
Good luck, I hope you don't get shat on when playing because you truly do not deserve that, but many people do have an aversion to that kind of army.
What do you prefer on the wraithblades, sword or axe?
>>46522381
A good way to tone down wraithguard is to take Cannons instead of scythes, and footslogging them so they don't have a transport.
They'll still be incredibly dangerous, but they won't be quite as optimal and reliable.
When people say they have a "flavorful" and/or "fluffy" list, what does this mean?
Does it mean they put a lot of lore into their list creation?
How does one even do that?
New player here, if you couldn't tell.
>>46522473
I would've said swords, just because I'm somewhat averse to 1H axes. I don't have the 7th ed lit yet, so I don't know what the stat difference is.
>>46522527
Good to know, though I might still take a Serpant since I have them from 5th ed.
If either of you know offhand, is it still ususal to lob a warlock into a wraithguard squad?
>>46522763
Typically, it just means there list has a theme or a concept its built around, rather than just taking stuff because its strong.
For example, a fluffy list for the concept of 'stealthy space marine force' wouldn't be bringing along a lot of vehicles or centurions, instead focusing on smaller models that fit with the idea of sneaking around.
>>46522809
Swords are AP 3 and give you extra attacks. Axes are AP 2, but also come with a 5+ invuln save shield.
I'd suggest including at least a few with axes, just for variety. It could also make a good bodyguard unit for a Spirit seer.
Using a Wave Serpent is fine, though I'd recommend against sticking the Wraithguard in it. Their main downside is lack of speed and short range, and a transport solves both of those neatly.
I think you can still stick a warlock in a Wraith squad without issue. Would be a decent place too, since it helps the warlock survive and gives the wraiths some more support.
>>46522763
To me it means that they've read over the lore, got inspired by an idea in it, such as 'Blood Angels use jumppacks. I'm going to make a Blood Angels army and take a lore-appropriate amount of Jumppacks, whether they're effective or not because I find the idea appealing'.
There are a few incarnations of this and it can involve creating their own donutsteel successor chapter. The core of the idea though is embracing the lore and incorporating it into your list building.
>>46522809
stat diff is huge. You won't find anything in the rulebook, only the codex.
basically axes hit at ini 1 because unwieldy. That gubbin on the other arm is a 4++ invul shield. Don't ask me how. Axes are AP2 and +2S
swords give +1A because 2swords +1S and AP3
Keep in mind wraithblades are 1A base. Swords do look really cool, methinks and it is a travesty you cannot mix
So, I am thinking of getting back into 40k, and was wondering what armies are good in the current edition?
Ideally I would like to play an army like GK which is high points with a low model count, as I don't want to spend a lot but still play with some buddies.
Any suggestions?
>>46522915
Eldar/Tau/SM
GK are near bottom of the tiers.
>>46522763
mono god over min maxing daemons. one army plays to the "fluffy' aspect of following 1 god while the other cherrypicks the best parts of daemons
mostly fluffy armies are more casual and beardy/cheesy armies are built for competitive play
>>46522970
>Near bottom
They're solid mid tier. Not everything below top tier is bottom tier.
what do grey knights (or i guess their players) think about the daemon incursion? the nemesis formation is helpful but they might lose hard on objectives
>>46522970
I wouldn't be looking to play competitive, just have some fun with mates in an army than can hold its own
>>46523263
Inquisition can be a silly army. Conversion beamers, orbital strikes, jokaero, etc
>>46523143
GKs do struggle on Maelstrom. Being overall slow and limited units / hard lack of Obj Secured.
What really hurts GKs is the AP2 creep and AWFUL internal balance.
"20" units (3 being the Land Raider Variants)
But their book boils down to 2-3 options a slot with one choice being head and shoulders better. Only "balanced" slot being Fast Attack
Only thing keep GKs in mid tier is Dreadknights / Imperium Battlebuddy Shenanigans.
>>46523008
They're not great. They're slightly above Blood Angels in Marines. BA are the bottom of the Marines.
Dark Eldar, Nids, Orks and BA are probably the bottom 4. That's ignoring the 'meme' armies like Inquisition and Harlequins.
Either way. Grey Knights aren't really what they're meant to be. They're expensive, but with the abundance of AP2 and S8+ by the top tier, it's difficult to get anything out of them. Paladins were GOAT, but they're expensive and can be ID'd by top tier reltively easily. However, Purifiers can be pretty good in the formations.
>>46521126
I run 0 boyz and do great
>>46523653
I run 20 and do okay.
I think I see a pattern here...
>>46518869
Does anyone think GW will ever re-release the Sisters?
>>46523850
>>46523850
nah
>>46523283
I wanted to run Inquisition with my Space Wolves so bad.
Still undecided but fluff wise I can't figure out to how to make it work without the Inquisitor being a special snowflake.
I have a 1250 list right now of just Space wolves including a wolfstar, 20 hunters and some Long Fangs in pods .
Maybe I will DL the Inquis Codex and see what could work well with them.
>>46518869
>other
I feel bad for asking, but I literally don't see any missing armies, unless we are going with supplements like farsight, harlequins, etc.
>>46524221
I am not seeing inquisition, so that is one. Also the mechanicus armies.
>>46519286
still making a profit.
>>46523850
not while nerd culture is in the process of being cucked by militant feminists
>>46524208
Pure order of importance works fine. Space wolves, for being giant retards half the time, still won't ignore the help from an inquisitor against a larger foe like tyranids, orks or chaos.
>>46524307
My current thoughts are since my friends split Dark Vengeance having the inquisition showing up, looking at SW and DA and going with SW to fight Chaos.
This would easily explain in Narrative why I combat Chaos together as well as open up fluff for when I battle DA since from what I have gathered they weren't always loyal and don't like being under inspection from outside sources.
So i'm looking to buy some chinese knock-offs to get into this game. I'm looking to play Imperial Guard what should I get? More importantly how can I tell how many points a unit is, and can I use link related
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Korps_of_Krieg
>>46519546
A way to not worf them is to portray them as actually doing what they do in the fluff, set fire to mobs of cultists.
With rules for both Chaos and Xeno cultists out, it would be a great opportunity. Deep striking Seraphim with dual hand flamers are a hard counter to those guys.
>>46524358
>DA since from what I have gathered they weren't always loyal
Hold up there dog fucker.
Not only are the Dark Angels one of the most loyal legi-I mean chapters but the Space Wolves have (or had if you read Wulfen yet) a lot to hide from the inquisition.
Aren't Thunderwolves a Spacewolves' secret as well?
>>46517444
Hey commissar, guardsmen here. What exactly do orks WANT? A thousand praises on the emperor etc by the way.
>>46524364
>I'm looking to play Imperial Guard what should I get?
Well since you insist on knock offs then I suppose it depends on your playstyle.
The start collecting box for AM isnt bad though.
>More importantly how can I tell how many points a unit is, and can I use link related
Check the OP and lurk more newfriend.
Welp. Thread is going to devolve again. See you later guys.
>>46524440
>What exactly do orks WANT?
More Dakka.
Seriously they will bro-down with anyone who offers them enough shiny guns. Though they will inevitably end up fighting their allies in the never-ending search for more fightin.
>>46524364
you can play death corps of krieg with normal guard rules fairly easy with the exception of some special vehicles and squads , just use the normal equivalent (and even than you can easily say your grenadiers are actually scions and 99% of players won't mind )
there's also separate rules for dkok in some forgeworld books
but be aware that you're paying over twice as much money for a squad of kriegers than you will be for a squad of cadians or catachans
>>46524418
The Dark Angels are so loyal their primarch is definitely alive. Which other first-founding faggots can say that? I'll give you a hint-it's none
Are Dark Angels posters worse than Russfags?
>>46524901
Well vulcan is alive, he just left his chapter with a bullshit fetch quest they need to complete before he turns up again.
>>46524951
Nah, you just don't get the worst of the yiffs because they're all elsewhere, like deviantart and bad dragon forums.
>>46524901
Until Curse of the Wulfen features Leman Russ as a LoW for SW to fight the Dark Angels.
>and then the Dark Angels wake up Lion after getting tired of getting their definitely-not-traitorous butts kicked.
>>46524901
Crying alone in the fetal position at the center of the rock doesn't count
>>46522187
DE bikes do get +1 armor save.. (They wear wychsuits 6+ and the bikes have 5+)
CWE bikes get +2.....
>>46524901
Most of the traitor legions, if you count being a Daemon Prince as alive.
>>46523493
CSM exist, but we are sooo bottom, you don't even remember, eh
>>46524519
Nice Gue'Vesa
>>46525039
Forge World is like "yeah, you can just run those primarchs as LoW in regular 40k games now as long as theyre still alive, sorry fists, iron hands and black legion players"
"Oh, and all Traitor primarchs are flying monstrous creatures with the Daemon rule for their respective gods"
wip dirty leman russ.
i want to add some battle damage
>>46525014
Not to mention because this a SFW board...
Don't go there, I've seen....things
>>46522052
>4+
Aren't they just Guardians up there? 5+ save.
Shining Spears get Heavy Aspect Armor for a 3+.
So I was thinking about converting/kitbashing a wraithseer for my growing collection of all flavours of space elves and I looked up the tactica on 1d4chan.
There it says I have to take another hq choice if I want the seer in a legal CAD, but when I chased down the actual profile and stuff from the Doom of Mymeara 2nd ed, I couldn't find anything about this restriction.
So anyone know if that's just a leftover on 1d4chan from the old version?
>>46525353
the mounting parts of the smoke launcher seem to have unpainted parts to them, but the scheme is pretty damn good.
As for battle damage ask yourself: Would the Imperium of Man field a battle tank that had a gaping hole in it's armour?
Craters, not holes.
r8 my warband fluff
1/2
>Young man has his wife succumb to a horrible illness
>Family has her body frozen at the moment of death, to be unfrozen when a cure is found (Like how they do today kind of)
>With nothing left, the man leaves to be inducted into space marine chapter
>Centuries later he has climbed to the rank of Captain
>Chapter returns to his planet to fend off a Chaos Space Marine incursion
>Chaos is deploying a doomsday weapon to destroy the planet.
>Captain becomes desperate to recover his wife's body from the cryo clinic before that.
>Lies to his Chapter Master, tells him the Commander of the Chaos forces has been spotted in that area
>By a twist of fate, when they arrive they find the Chaos Lord is actually there
>The captain and the Chapter Master fight the Lord, but the Chapter Master is killed
>The Lord, overtaken by mutations, drops his daemonic sword. In the confusion, the Captain grabs it and drives it through the Lord's heart.
>Captain becomes the new Chapter Master. Quietly has his wifes remains transfered onto a battle barge, where he secretly keeps it in his quarters Nora Fries style.
>>46525378
It's reasonable to assume that the Bike would at least boost their armor somewhat. It does for Scout Bikers and Orks.
4+ puts it at the level where missiles will ruin their day without getting murdered by basic bolters.
Agreed on Shining Spears though.
>>46525353
Never understood the fascination in drilling out smoke launchers.
>>46525417
2/2
>Chapter Master keeps the daemonic sword.
>Finds that it lets him harness the warp and perform magic without any psychic ability.
>Primarily the summoning and controlling of daemons, which he soon becomes obsessed with.
>Is convinced he can control them completely with no signs of corruption.
>Believes that harnessing and controlling chaos is the only way. Attempting to stamp it out is impossible.
>Daemons can be made to serve humanity, to protect them and fight their enemies.
>Believes he can use chaos power to revive his wife, and if successful, go on to revive the Emperor himself.
>One of his chaplains catches him in one of his experiments and mutinies.
>After a brief chapter war, the Chapter Master and over half his marines are forced to go renegade.
>Runs from inquisition fleets while hunting down and capturing chaos sorcerers to use in his experiments
>Wants to hunt down Ahriman to this end, as he is the most powerful sorcerer alive.
What would be the best way to represent this?
I was thinking vanilla marines with a librarius conclave summoning daemons
>>46525014
>>46525375
Do actual Furfags play Space Wolves?.
Dude is selling:
>6 Talos
>1 Cronos
>40 Wracks
>2 Haemies
>3 Venom
>1 Raider
>3 Grotesque conversions
All are assembled and at least primed.
Venoms and Raider have super shitty paint jobs and I would only be using them as a destroyed vehicle for when my vehicles wreck.
I mean, almost all of my DE were assembled by me, so it feels weird to add these to my collection.
But he wants $300, what do?
>>46525353
wow that looks great how did you do it ?
>>46525417
>>46525452
Run them as Space Wolves. Go full Mr. freeze with Helfrost.
>>46525423
>does for Scout Bikers
Nnnnope.
>>46525452
Not bad, what's his alignment? Sounds like someone who would go Undivided or Tzeentch.
>>46525423
Scout Bikers still only have a 4+ save broski.
Orks just have the 'eavy Armour built-in to the bike upgrade.
>>46525467
USD? and what is the value if bought new?
Do you want the models?
Does it come with spare parts?
Is nothing from 3rd edition?
>>46525509
>>46525528
Huh, weird.
Either way, I still support a 4+ save on Eldar Jet bikes, I'd only so I can get a 4+ save on Dark Eldar ones.
>>46525452
>>46525417
don't most spehs mahreens get recruited in puberty though ?
>>46525463
I have seen my fair share of them here.
Two years ago one that has since stopped playing always wore a tail on his center back belt loop.
>>46525571
ideally.
I think the cut off is mid twenties
Any older then that and you are lucky to get augmented.
>>46525571
Depends on the chapter. Ultramarines and Dark Angels and their successors with their super pure geneseed probably have to. But on the flip side, Space Wolves can take older recruits(Lukas the Trickster's fluff says he was a ladies' man before he got picked up to Asaheim).
Also there was Great Crusade tech that allowed old guys to become space marines(i.e. Kor Phaeron).
>>46525640
That's too late for gene-seeds to affect your growth or development. You might get some benefits from the gene-seeds, but you'd be inferior in just about every way to marines made from kids.
>>46525441
Most smoke launchers come hollowed out, it's only reasonable to assume that's how they all work.
>>46525589
If your legion has a totem animal, it doesn't make you a furry. If you use dogs for tracking and mauling the enemy, or cavalry charges, those are legitimate tactics too. So here I was thinking the Yiff was just a joke/rage over 5th edition overpoweredness...
>>46517725
Give those two some spacy looking helmets and make them Daft Sororitas.
>>46525662
>Kor Phaeron
He was too old for gene-seeds. He got bionics and drugs.
>>46525703
>Most smoke launchers
Only ones I've seen as such are the SM ones. The IG ones have caps on them. The old ones even had little nubs on the caps, like in the pic.
>>46519710
Haha, do you even Ld7 for a seargent upgrade, bro?
>>46525539
Yes USD.
Total value if purchased would be $864, so he's selling them for 35% retail.
Of course I want the models, but he's selling as a lot only.
I'm only interested in the Talos/Cronos and the Wracks.
Therefore according to the 35% retail, I'd be spending $89 of that $300 on models I don't want.
I'm kind of torn here.
>>46521126
yes, yes you absolutley can. I like to call this number more than one. Grots and toys is how the game works now.
Boyz before toys is dead and done.
>tfw 3 points above the game size and you don't wanna cut down
I need it all damn it.
>>46525901
Cut a dozer blade or meltabombs?
>>46525769
You can't really say "only" space marines when they're the armies with the most common source of smoke launchers, actually other than the marines and IG are there even any others?
but anyway even the chaos smoke launchers have the grenades modelled inside the barrels, it's only the older chimera kits such as basilisks that come with capped smoke launchers and they are very obviously capped, if you cut off those smoke tubes you could make a small rendition of St Basils cathedral.
>>46525711
>If your legion has a totem animal, it doesn't make you a furry. If you use dogs for tracking and mauling the enemy, or cavalry charges, those are legitimate tactics too.
I agree completely.
However there is a small sect of SW players that like to go into detail about how they breed Thunderwolves.
In a Dark Heresy General (may have been a 40kg) months ago there was some autist who spent a solid hour sperging out about how Thunderwolves are Spacewolves' wives. Explaining how they should "take care of them" and how breeding them which each other wolves was basically kəkəlding.
>>46520657
This. They can spam meltas like crazy. Also, with the Priest's posse, they have access to one of the best close combat units in the game.
I'm actually kind of afraid that the SoB might get an update soon. They're good now. An update might make them worse.
>>46525901
I've had people tell me I should just chill and accept that they are three points over.
Fuck you. That's what I have to say to that. You probably suck at coloring books, too.
>>46525901
Could we see your list?
>>46525921
Ain't got no dozers of melta bombs.
Either I remove three bolters and add camo netting on all three transports, or I drop a heavy stubber and do the same, or stick with what I have and jam a 40 points scout sentinel with autcannon in instead of the camo netting.
>>46525825
Different anon here, could you maybe save the vehicles by stripping the shitty paintjob? With simple green or something?
Cuz those wracks could surely use some transportation... and then it'd be a really nice deal (provided you like the poses and so on - I can totally relate to your concern about not assembling them yourself)
>>46519710 man, already the dinobots are calling me to the dark side (together with that sweet warpsmith) so pls no joking about mega fiends with transport cap, cause then I'd wave my skitarii and space elves goodbye and bow to chaos once and for all
>>46525925
>You can't really say "only" space marines
What kit, other than ones associated with space marines, comes with hollowed out smoke launchers? Because if they're all in SM kits, how can't I say it's only SM kits?
>grenades modelled inside the barrels
Ergo, not hollow tubes.
Look, you can always model them as spent launchers, but the IG ones clearly have caps on them, so if one drills them out, at least remove the cap from the launcher as well.
>>46525825
ebay the rest ?
>>46525970
People like to be anal about small things but locals are willing to let things slip sometimes or give him the chance to take an extra 3 points
