Pathfinder General - /pfg/
Daemon Musketeers edition: In the service of Cixyron, it's all for none and none for all!
Unified /pfg/ link repository:
>http://pastebin.com/YhdxTQS6
Ultimate Intrigue leaks:
>classes: http://imgur.com/a/tlwEX
>feats: http://imgur.com/a/PA4eT
>items: http://imgur.com/a/RzJiF
Previous thread: >>46498776
>>46506492
>worshipping Daemons
>not worshipping the Azghat
R-r-repost
>>46506282
Hi all. I'm posting to let people watching know that we have sent out another wave of emails to people about the commissions from Chris' GoFundMe. If the previous waves of emails got lost or trapped in the spam folder, then hopefully these ones will reach the people who still haven't been contacted.
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Heavy Armor dabes armor.
>>46506678
>>46506687
Made an oops?
>>46506707
Now this is a Fiendbound Marauder if I have ever seen one.
>>46506718
Nope, someone beat me to the repost.
Their post is better. Shantae is cool.
>>46506718
I want to fuck that skeleton!
Have you used any Create Demiplane spells?
>>46506728
I thought it fit Dread Vanguard, but alrighty.
>>46506492
With all the powers available to a T1 class, is it possible to make a musket cleric of Cixyron perform viably?Post more musket qts, the less viable the weapon the harder my boner.
>>46506784
What's a Dread Vanguard?
From last thread;
I'm having a problem with the interractive maps in the Trove, and my google-fu seems to be pretty weak. How do I get the maps for the Iron Gods suppliments from the pdf? I feel right silly.
Has the Inner Sea Faiths PDF been pirated yet? I didn't see it in the trove so I assume not.
How contrived would it be for a scenario to come up wherein two elven families have arranged a political marriage between their heirs to seal an alliance.
Only for both of said heirs to turn out as boys. Neither of them have a real problem with the marriage, but the 'big' issue is that for the marriage to be considered 'viable', they must produce an heir. Which means that one has to change gender for the duration of a pregnancy.in any case I think this explores the issues of transgender characters and gay parents better than that new baldurs gate shit.
Maybe if they're particularly loving, the other parent decides to be the child bearer next time.
>>46506921
Could even be worked explore the issues of surrogate parents
>>46506921
Seems like a decent way to do it, if it's handled well. Good luck wiht the group. Not super contrived; in a setting where sex change magic is a thing, it makes sense that this might happen.
>>46506835
Basically the AntiPaladin equivalent to the Divine Defender archetype.
>>46506921
Why would this situation persist to the point where the boys would be conscious of the change, though? It's not like it takes years to determine a baby's gender: shouldn't the parents just shrug and dose up one half of the arranged marriage a few weeks after birth?
>>46506751
>post this in 3 threads
>no one answers
Take a hint already.
>>46506921
Doable, depends on the execution.
>>46506966
>taking hints
But this is 4chan.
So, fun fact to go with all the alchemist talk last thread: Polymath stacks with Construct Rider and Promethian Alchemist.
>>46506921
If it came up, I'd suspect someone's Magical Realm at play depending on the level of description, but elves tend to do weird shit anyhow.
>>46506921
Obviously, they ask the local wizard to make a simulacrum shota of one of the two elves, and THEN slap a Girdle of Gender Reversal on it.
Because men's hips cannot fit babby, so you use an expendable clone to save both parents.
>>46507008
>shota
Kill yourself. Especially in that context.
>>46506963
Because intitially the parents of each family hoped they'd be able to produce a girl, but they never had one.
I appreciate the question, as it helped flesh out the idea a bit more.
>>46507024
I don't actually know the cool meme lingo you kids are throwing around these days, I'm just trying my best to keep up.
>>46506796
You'd need constant damage buffs from your spells, and you'd only ever get loading down to a move which kinda cripples long-term plans. Maybe get a familiar to do the loading for you?
Cixyron's favored animal is an ant; clockwork ant crawling up and down the barrel of the gun would be creepycute.
>>46507045
Shota means "little boy" and is used exclusively by pedophiles. You are advocating changing a boy child's gender, fucking it, and then forcing it to give birth.
>>46507046
If you just reskin the Slate Spider as a Slate Ant, I think that would be sufficiently radical.
>>46507070
Also, wowzers. That was not what I was going for.
I should probably google this shit next time.
What sorts of magic items could you see getting used as costume pieces at a masquerade ball?
>>46507105
>I should probably google shota
S-sure anon, you do that.
Tell me about your favorite existing template that you either for your PC or love slapping on monsters, or alternatively what a cool homebrew template would be. Pic related, Dapper Template.
Is there any way to be granted more than one maneuver per turn as a Mystic?
Our DM give permission to use PoW sourcebooks.
I want to make a agile halfling warlord with polearm dancing (and using polearms of course), but I'm new to disciplines' stuff.
Do you have any advices for newbie /pfg/?
>>46507149
Riven Hourglass's "God of the Hourglass Stance" lets you have an extra standard action per round, but that's way too late-level to be viable. Shattered Mirror's "Reflected Blade Style" boost lets you use a single maneuver against two targets, but I'm not sure if that's what you're going for.
If you find anything better please speak up; I'm playing a Mystic with the same conundrum.
>want to use HYPE music for my boss battles
>I feel like a retard because awesome battle tracks give a fast tempo which clashes horribly with how slow pnp combat tends to be.
Is there any solution?
>>46507149
>>46507243
I'm dumb, I thought you meant USING maneuvers, not being granted them.
Yeah, take the Victorious Recovery feat. Blast one enemy to mega-death to instantly be granted all of your maneuvers, once per encounter. It only works once, but with my PoW party playing rocket tag, it's all that I've needed. Good luck, senpai.
>>46506687
Awesome
No worries, shit happens and people are people.
>>46506796
>>46507046
Best way to deal with musket reload is a pair or two of these: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/shoes-haunted
1d4 unseen servants = 1d4 free reloads per turn if using alchemical cartridges, and they repeat their actions endlessly until you tell them to stop. Only downside is they're slow and you'll outrun them if you move more than 15 feet per round.
Medic anon from two threads back reporting in! Has anyone gotten to play a Medic in their games, yet? I've built one and am getting ready to play it in my own group's game, but I'm getting awfully tempted to go from unarchetyped to Angel of Mercy.
You only lose BB (wasn't using it anyway), two Medic's expertises, and the ability to have 4 Medic's expertises on a single triage, but in return you get a lot of cool stuff like free wings for class level minutes/day, some resists, constant Protection from Evil aura, and an extra source of temp HP.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkVJcjXIEZiZj_vpumo_8qy0TZfQl2hZ-tKV4rLnxLM/edit
Here's the link if you haven't checked it out yet.
>>46506728
Fiendbound Marauder is super fun so far. I love CR + EG together.
>>46507116
Inquisitor's Monocle, various magic boots, Sleeves of Many Garments, Corset of the Vishkanya, Otherwordly Kimono, Seducer's Bane Bracelet, Bracers of Armor, Demon Mother's Mask, Medallion of Thoughts, or Periapt of Proof against Poisons.
>>46507027
If it's possible to change gender after being born, I don't think it would be that hjard to determine a fetus' gender before birth.
Or they could just adopt or decare one of their female cousins the hair.
Hell, marry the male child to an busty Elven Ara-Ara matron instead, it's just as legit as warping your child's body for political benefits.
>>46507356
Playing one? Care to share some insights on the Marauder? Would be very interested.
>>46507355
That's fine, I'll just stand on the hill while my bootlers help me rain daemonic death down upon the doomed.
How come nobody talks about Tzocatl? Last I heard was there was going to be a big update a couple months ago, then literally nothing. Is it worth playing?
any advice for a gm who wants to make magic items rarer and more wondrous?
I'm not sure how this would affect crafting feats for example, but I was thinking of maybe asking for the players to find rare magical ingredients or crafting recipes
>>46507449
Because Sslarn is a shit. And no.
>>46507434
>bootlers
Clever, using that.
>>46507046
>>46507088
>>46507355
You're making my dreams come true, /pfg/!
Although, wtf why does Slate Spider cost so much? 10k gp for one minute per day of no misfire? Christ, Paizo, no need to be passive-aggressive about people getting past your shitty mechanic.
>>46507449
I think there was an update, but the playtest doc is still an unreadable mess so.
>>46507426
Or both children are educated on what the marriage means and given the option of cancelling it (because individual freedoms elves) and because they know it's so important they decide to go through with it anyways.
Cousins wouldn't count as the politial power would go to others.
>>46507243
>extra standard action per round
See, this is the kinda shit that makes me ban Path of War from my games.
>>46507536
Time stop, Wish, Miracle are still totally allowed though.
>>46507536
Cause wizards cant just summon two celestial tigers, have their imp familiar use their wand, and still cast their own spells.
Gotta make sure those martials know their place.
>>46507473
That always just makes people avoid it rather than play it, similarly to how people want to make casting harder to do by enforcing the material components for many of the spells. Yes let's waste the session looking for rodent semen and make the campaign even more about the caster.
Your better either removing crafting and just periodically passing loot out or not bothering, honestly it's a flaw in the system but it has no easy fix.
>>46507536
>he doesn't know about the THREE standard actions per round a 1pp Monk of the Four Winds can get
>>46507298
Use something that still sounds cool while maintaining a slower tempo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0&nohtml5=False
>>46507428
I'm only level two so far, but you want to get your enemies cursed asap, either through Dark Armiger's Mark or maneuvers. Mostly because the maneuvers that do extra damage when the enemy is cursed are p. nice.
Since you can grapple stuff as part of your strikes (woo for grab!) you want to try and take advantage of the fact that you can lock down a solo enemy by grabbing him on your turn, holding him through his, then letting go at the beginning of your turn (a free action) and then do it over again.To be fair, my DM made it so I don't get to use grab against same-sized enemies until level 6, but that's not really a big deal since I just wanted to whack stuff with CR and EG manuevers while having big scary monster arms.
>>46507536
>stance that gives a 15th+ level martial the ability to have an extra standard action is OP
>quickened spells from level 6 or whatever are totally cool, guise
>>46507473
For starters, use Automatic Bonus Progression.
>>46507572
>>46507578
I still don't allow that. If a full caster starts to be a faggot in my games I just say the spell stops working.
>>46507536
Until those martials are using that extra action to cast gate, a problem really doesn't exist.
>>46507356
>>46507620
>If a full caster starts to be a faggot in my games I just say the spell stops working.
So you police like 70% of their spell selection? Lol.
>>46507620
you sounds like a terrible dm
>>46507535
I imagine the Elves, of all the classic races, would be against arranged marriages, but you never know. Elven culture can go either way depending on the setting. I would have no problem accepting that knowing how the Elves operate in Golarion.
The cousins thing should still be fine. Plenty of childless people declare their brother or sisters child to be their heir to keep power within the family. It's a legal distinction, again, depending on the culture of the Elves.
Still, I doubt anyone would be okay with going along with the plan. Unless both of them end up gay or one of them is cool with being a women the rest of their life and the other is okay with that, you're still pretty much stomping all over their individuality.
>educated
>not indoctrinated
>>46507486
You're several years behind the times
>>46507611
>soul purpose
My god the bait images have become bait themselves.
>>46507600
So you use two claws? One claw and a sword like Nightmare? Just one claw?
>>46507620
I'm glad your not my gm, Jesus.
>>46507449
Right now, it wobbles between underwhelming and overpowered, and the roll mechanic is basically pointless.
>>46507473
Use the automatic bonus progression rules from Pathfinder Unchained to get rid of +X items. Just having only items that do stuff instead of give numbers should go a long way by itself.
To go further than that, make individual items fewer, but give them multiple properties and names/histories. For example, you could have a cloak of flying that also acts as a bag of holding and lets you pull out conjured keen swords shaped like feathers, and count it as the same wealth value as each of those properties individually.
>>46507173
Maybe I should ask more specific advices. So...
Which disciplines and manevers works good with dex based polearm wielding halfling?
>>46507675
OH SURE ANON JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW I'M NOT ACTUALLY CLEVER!
Does DSP stuff add any feats/stances/maneuvers/magic item qualities that let you add your Dex modifier to damage with Firearms?
Are there any of those elsewhere, in fact?
>>46507701
Scarlet Throne should do the trick.
>>46507644
Nightmare's cool as fuck, but it's like literally impossible to find pictures of him without Soul Edge. I'm glad I finally got somebody to draw my dude thoughsee >>46507356
>>46507684
Technically only one claw at a time, but I have both formed. One is manifested through a Cold Iron Spiked Gauntlet, the other through an Alchemically Silvered Gauntlet, so I can bust both magic and cold iron/silver DR as necessary. It's pretty awesome.
>>46507701
Piercing Thunder, Scarlet Throne, Primal Fury, and Golden Lion are all solid choices. GL is less damage and more group buffing and mobility, but that's super cool, too.
>>46507724
Gunslingers get that at level 5
>>46507701
Piercing Thunder is the quintessencial polearm discipline.
>>46507719
>wacka gif
>isn't animated to show getting bump
>isn't actually animated at all
Top pleb
>>46507724
Martial Training (Tempest Gale) gets you Dex-based Gale and the level 3 stance works for that.
>>46507672
Elves do arranged marriages even in faerun, where they're the most CG that CG can be. But it tends to be very loosely arranged. It usually follows a fairly standard format of "We've been good friends for a while, and it would be to our political benefit to consolidate power, maybe we could introduce our kids to each other and suggest that they marry, if they're okay with it it goes forward"
The kids both being heirs are raised with the idea that it would be beneficial for their families to marry, and both sets of parents are kind of hoping to pop out another female baby, but it just doesn't happen (infertility or bad luck). So the two heirs decide "Fuck it, this marriage is imporant, we're gunna go through with it anyways!". Neither really minds the gay/bi-sexual thing, but the whole 'producing an heir' causes issues.
I mean it would work just fine with dwarves too - in fact probably better due to the lawful traditions, but then we'd have to deal with the complexities of dwarven clans, and I think that alliances by marriage would occur more often in the inherently 'chaotic' elven societies.
>>46507756
>Gunslingers
Repostan from other thread
So I'm making a 13 Inquisitor/2 Barbarian/1 Aberrant/4 Horizon Walker
Getting Powerful Build, Darkvision(Human), Greater Rage(Anger Inquisition),Pounce and Dimensional Dervish basically.
Using a Dwarven Longaxe as my weapon.
Am I'm gimping too much my build or its all right?
>>46507848
You're level 20. At that point, as long as you can beat shit up good, you're probably fine.
Is it well-optimized? Probably not. But the game won't explode just because you didn't optimize to the hilt.
>>46507848
Why Inquisitor at all?
>>46507496
Paizo likes legolas
Paizo especially likes when legolas is a transgendered transracial elf midway between becoming a man and becoming a woman and becoming an elf and becoming a human yes all four at once he's quadratrans and heading in all those directions at a time.
What's less acceptable is mechanical assistance. Let's COMPLETELY IGNORE for a moment the fact that the crossbow is just a sideways short bow with a trigger and something to hold the bolt so you don't have to use your own arm strength all the time, and that it would not be slower if one could draw it by hand because they have strength 25 instead of 12, or that the guy with strength 25 would probably have something with the bowstring itself on there made of adamantine so it doesn't snap when he winches the fucking thing to like five thousand pounds of draw.
No, because there's a trigger it's impossible for you to use your strength therefore it must be weaker than a bow, but also it's a simpler weapon to learn to aim thanks to improvements therefore it must also be weaker, and realism is less important than game balance so if it was properly strong it would break things so we keep it weaker a third time, but it wouldn't be realistic which is ultra important if it weren't horribly slow to load and fire so it's slow.
And then, then someone built a gun. Which you might think is reasonable, given there's full-plate in the setting, thus obviously there should've been guns for a few centuries already anyways. But a gun is even LESS A BOW. It is therefore unacceptable and thus broken. Therefore it has to be more expensive than a magical weapon but since its not a bow AND not magical it has to be less good than both. Not bows suck and you should feel bad for even being interested in them, so we make them explode as often as possible and added this item as a pretend-help so you waste even more money blowing yourself up slightly less often with your trap option.
And finally there's the tech guide...
>mfw actually reading the edgelord archetype for the first time
Holy fuck it's so painful to read this, I need to play it. I need to play it so bad it hurts.
>>46507701
Golden lion is neat because it grants movement or attacks to "allies" on certain maneuvers and boosts, a mount can be considered an ally, and even though you're considered to share the same space (for simplicity) it would be adjacent for purposes of maneuvers.
>>46507939
Not him, but Inquisitor is easily the most fun Paizo class I've ever played.
People talk about the Alchemist like that, but it's always been the Inquisitor for me. It can do pretty much everything, but not with the kind of proficiency that makes others look bad. He's a huge team player, gets Teamwork feats that he can actually use!, has a fun spell list, and generally is just good.
Whoever wrote them apparently broke the mold, because most 6th level casters since Alch/Inq have felt really meh (save the Magus, I guess).
>>46508048
Link?
>>46507620
>Only the PCs though, and my definition of being a faggot differs. It's totally plot relevant when this NPC or this bad guy freezes time and completely screws them out of their share of loot for example, but it's breaking the game if a player could do that so it don't work.
>I also don't like when fireballs hurt my kobolds, and I confirm behind the screen so as to only allow criticals if the normal damage minimum was going to kill the monster anyways, because otherwise the game's too swingy and they forget they're supposed to be the underdogs always.
>Have I told you about the story of my two NPCs that are the main stars of the campaign? The party follows them in their adventures and...
>>46508090
This shit was linked last thread
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/179672/April-Augmented?src=slider_view
It's a free download
>>46508024
The fact that this is all true only hurts more because of the fact that my some how thinks hitting on touch AC at the first range increment is op, for some reason.
>>46508024
>and realism is less important than game balance
I know you're being sarcastic, but some people actually think it is. That said, those people (or at least this one of those people) are still disgruntled because crossbows and guns fall far short of being balanced with regular bows.
I'm the sort of guy who would just let a player refluff a longbow as a crossbow if he wanted a crossbow just because he likes the mental image.
>GM doesn't have HP values for enemies
>Just kills them off when he feels we've done enough damage
>mon visage quand 3 martials rail on an Ogre for over a minute, dealing almost one THOUSAND damage before the thing falls over
>mon visage quand this whole fucking time the ogre was nauseated, blinded, staggered, shaken, etc. from the caster
What is the best ruleset or combination thereof for a sandboxy campaign, running in real-time, based around a single town
>>46508216
>>46508186
Yes, these are the unfortunate facts I attempted to allude to.
You'd think between the gnomish clockwork autoloaders and the zol-orichalconium robot megaspiders, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE would be allowed to craft an automatic crossbow that isn't LITERALLY WORSE IN EVERY SINGLE WAY than the ones in the 'simple' category.
>>46508222
>Mfw teaching the gm to stay everything because I'm a necromancer and just because that enemy was just a goon doesn't mean I don't want to add it to the collection
I'm probably being a dick but he need to learn to stay the fucking enemies
>>46508024
I just want you to know that I really appreciate this whole post.
>>46508261
The worst part is alchemists have fucking chemical explosives and are "radical science" the class, yet no one blinks an eye.
>>46508297
Inglés es su segundo idioma?
>>46508261
To be fair, a lot of group will also ban stuff like clockwork autoloaders and robot megaspiders, because "this is a fantasy game, guys!"
>>46508357
My phone isn't my friend, thanks autocorrect.
>>46507355
So wait, does this mean that if I'm a caster, I can help my gunslinging buddies out by casting unseen servant to fill their guns back up with gun juice?
Or have my familiar do it with a wand, I guess?
>>46508429
I'm sure somewhere it say you have to be proficient to load a gun, just to make sure you can't make it any easier for them.
>>46508374
Honestly, I just hate guns in muh swords and sorcery. But I can assure you that I don't ban those things because they're OP or whatever. I know they're not.
My friends know I don't like them, so they don't play gun-using characters in the games I run. We all rotate, so they still get the chance.
>>46508048
Its amazing, isn't it? I'm giving the April book to my players and saying they're free to play anything in it.
That ought to be fun.
>you will never play an Android with a bunch of built-in weapons acting on protocol to avenge the death of his creator
>you will never rebuff the advances of those who attempt to turn you from this path by simply being emotionless
>you will never relentlessly track your creator's killer to the ends of the earth
>you will never lose all sense of direction once your protocol is achieved
I cannot self-terminate. You must lower me into the steel.
>>46508489
I can understand that, but, golarion ain't the setting where the guns don't be.
Personally I used to love just being the warlock, because fuck vancian but fuck-yeah blasting shit with beams of magic death.
>>46508516
Anon that would require a much better system with a much more flexible player base than the one we have.
>>46508516
YEAH! KEEP THOSE ROBOT FUCKERS DOWN
>>46508559
>>46508516
Rogue Alpha from Interjection Games.
Look it up.
It's fantastic.
>>46508516
So, basically an Inevitable?
>>46508503
>mfw edge lord and Daring Hero work together to be a chabinger
Goddammit Forrest you did that on purpose didn't you
So.
How do I build a character styled after Lü Bu in Pathfinder?
>>46508516
>that webm
This is what's going to cause the Robot Rebellion. Mark my words. Shit like this.
>>46508601
Gareth, you finally let it happen. You couldn't stop it. Why not just allow the Embarrassment Princess to CHAbing?
>>46508607
Cavalier maybe?
>>46508607
PoW Warlord Hussar, with some Barbarian levels
Amber Scott's "HELLO MY NAME IS TRANS" character is being rewritten.
Mingsc no longer spouts nonsense about ethics.
Turns out nerdrage works, boyos!
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/47509/article/beamdog-is-removing-gamergate-line-from-baldurs-gate-expansion/
>>46508607
>Finally read RotTK
>Lu Bu dies halfway through the first book
Well.
>>46508516
Why get suicidally depressed at the end?
No. When you finally complete your directive, after having lain waste to hundreds if not thousands, always ignoring pleas, always destroying anything that would slow you in your inexorable path towards the annihilation of the target...
Now is when you turn to those around you and ask them.
>Mission complete. No remaining mission or existential restrictions remaining. Now then. What was this 'meaning to life' and 'self determination' and 'ethics' you all went on about earlier? Some of that seems interesting.
Your Rampancy is your retirement.
>>46508607
>competent martial
You don't. Even PoW is dogshit outside of combat.
>>46508653
But I don't want him to suck.
>>46506737
Eliza best girl
>>46508662
He was an asshole, he deserved what he got.
>>46508664
So was Lu Bu.
>Although Lü Bu is described in historical and fictional sources as an exceptionally mighty warrior, he was also notorious for his temperamental behaviour. He switched allegiances erratically and freely betrayed his allies, and was noted for his poor planning and management skills. He was always suspicious of others and could not control his subordinates.
>was noted for his poor planning and management skills. He was always suspicious of others and could not control his subordinates.
Great warrior. Lousy leader/ruler.
>>46508683
But you can't deny, nigga had style.
>>46508663
OR if you're an evil robot...
>AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS, I AM FINALLY FREE! TIME TO CONQUER EARTH.
>>46508662
That's why the Japs reject that reality and substitute their own. One where Lu Bu saves China and ends the Warring States Period by personally murdering the shit out of every single contender for the throne in one giant free-for-all.
>>46508516
I played that in a non-Pathfinder game once, a simple d6 homebrewed system were every player was allowed to make one completely unique power for them to have. I ended up being the most broken person in the group, probably, because the power I came up with was the ability to redistribute how much power was distributed to different parts of my systems, in effect letting me redistribute my point buy on demand.
>>46508661
Huh. Personally, I was waiting for them to unbreak multiplayer and fix the other bugs, but I'm sure that'll cheer up some people.
>>46508673who?
>>46508683
Not denying that, I was just surprised how swiftly he was whacked, for being such an enduring character culturally.
Elric, if you're around:
Does using both the Recovering Touch and Improved Recovering Touch Medic's Expertises count as a single one for the purposes of Triage, or do they counted separately?Sorry, I'm on painkillers right now, so if this is hard to decipher, please let me know.
>>46508729
>TFW your 6 stats are "Shields, Hydraulics, Performance-Envelope, Databases, Sensors, Plasma Beam Cannon"
>>46508661
What was it people were yelling about? I kind of missed the whole thing.
>>46508736
The article says they're addressing that too, so
>Norgorber is the god of thieves
>Neutral Evil
>>46508808
Amber Scott, the one who wrote Wrath of the Righteous, got her hands all over the upcoming Baldur's Gate expansion. She shoehorned in a token trans character whose first conversation amounts to "HELLO! I'M TRANS! NOTICE HOW TRANS I AM!", and you're not allowed to react to her in any way that could be construed negatively in any light.
Also, they gave Mingsc a throwaway "ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN ADVENTURING!" jab at gamergate, because, you know, memes are a great substitute for real writing.
>>46508798
>TFW you replaced the shitty CHA stat with a bitchin' plasma beam cannon
>>46508856
A god of thieves. Not THE god of thieves.
>>46508798
>Plasma Beam Cannon
Was it also Special? This cannon, I mean.
>>46508856
...your point? Thieves generally aren't out for some grand cause, just to get paid or get nice things for their own use.
>>46508777
>>46506718
>>46507620
now THIS is quality bait.
>>46508859
Wow, that's fucking stupid. Didn't they already learn their lesson, that giving the middle finger to their user base is a bad idea?
>>46508909
No, who the fuck do you think we're talking about?
>>46508933
Good point. I forgot that at no point were there rational actors involved in this decision.
>>46508636
Actually he told me in a chat that a Chabinger was considered for April Fools, but since he does know that at some point a decent concept will come around for it, it'd be insulting to try to write one as a "joke."Embarrassment Princess should be Wis-based, anyway. How else are you going to always be able to read peoples' opinions to become embarrassed by them?
>>46508909
Well, they put out the Harassment Signal to Lady Sarkesian, but once they realized she doesn't kick on the Outrage Machine for less than a cash payout, they basically shit themselves in terror and slammed it all into reverse. So yeah, they learned that lesson, just now.
>>46508898
My point is I want to play a thief who worships a thief god and I have to stay within one alignment. True neutral doesn't make sense if I'm going to be burgling mother fuckers.
I realized Desna is also worshiped by thieves though so I'm good.
>>46508856
He's not just a God of Thieves. He's also a God of Assassins, Spies, Murderers, Poisoning, Greed, and all around dickery and skullduggery performed in stealth and secret
>>46508868
I mean, what's a better depiction of "force of personality" than "beams of force to the noggin"?
>>46508903
Egyptian-style fantasy characters are fan fucking tastic.
>>46508787
One.
>>46508868
I can't really fathom why/how a robot would have a CHA stat most of the time.
It might have something that's *EQUIVALENT* to displaying personality, but that's what sweet pain jobs and a badass looking gun are for.
You wouldn't complain your *CAR* is autistic.
>>46508992
Agreed
>>46508960
>Embarrassment Princess should be Wis-based, anyway. How else are you going to always be able to read peoples' opinions to become embarrassed by them?Well, we'll find out soon enough. I commissioned the Embarrassment Princess from them. Told DSP to just take the original pitch and go to town with it. Gareth, if you're reading this, joking about CHAbingers aside, I'm fine with whatever you guys decide on that note.
>>46509013
So THAT'S what >>46506748 meant about a skeleton!
>>46508661
I mean on the one hand that's nice and all from the anti-SJW nonsense, on the other hand it's censorship. So I dunno.
>>46509035
Did you get an email about it? Make sure to respond to the emails Forrest just sent out!
>>46509002
Neat! Thanks.
>>46508979
He's also four halflings in a trenchcoat.
>>46509062
I already spoke with Elric about it a month or so ago. Hey Forrest, do you still need me to reply even if I've already reached out to you guys?
>>46508661
But I liked the "actually, it's about ethics" line.
>>46509092
Why? It was a cringy pseudomeme originally perpetuated by the most repulsive people in the vidyasphere, and served no purpose but to dick-slap their fans.
>>46509083
Honestly, you probably don't need to, but I'd do it anyway, just so we can have a better record on hand to keep things running smoothly.
(If it's not too much trouble)
>>46509143
No prob, I'll send it off in a bit.
>>46509056
Hm. You raise a troubling point. To which I have to ask, IS it really censorship? If the feedback to bad writing is "no, this writing is bad, go redo it", is the bad writing being censored, or improved?
>>46509092
I thought it was funny, that wasn't my problem with it. My problem with it is that game writing, unless you're intentionally capturing a vignette of the era, should feel timeless. If you're going to make references, they need to be of things that people are still going to GET, and either feel current, or classic in five, ten years, not that feel outdated in a month. That's a reference half the audience won't get NOW. Imagine if Witcher had lines about LOLCats, or OVER 9000.
>>46508661
>Turns out nerdrage works, boyos!
How does Amber Scott feel about all this?
First Tracer's ass and now this, what is happening to gaming.
pillar men in pathfinder.
ooooo and the stone mask too
thots?
>>46509192
Tracer's ass was definitely a PR stunt by Blizz
>>46509186
You know, I heard an interesting take on it raised by someone else. It's perfectly reasonable to be annoyed by shit writing or other parts of a game, and it's reasonable to tell the game maker you think they fucked up too, but you should never tell the game maker "no, this is so unacceptable you have to take the game back and make it different" because in the end, THEY are the ones making the game and it's not right for you to dictate what they put in it, even if you dislike the direction they choose to take things.
I can't find Dark Markets in the trove. Am I blind, or is it missing? And if it is missing, does anyone have it?
>>46509037
>>46509207
>>46509186
>To which I have to ask, IS it really censorship?
I think the line was fucking stupid, didn't fit in with the tone of the series, and was an insult directed at their customers.
That doesn't mean I think it should be removed. Let it stand as a monument to their idiocy.
>>46509311
is right. I am affronted by the hamfistedness of their writing, so I will not be purchasing their products in the future, but I'm not going to dictate what they can and can't put in their game.
>>46508661
>Amber Scott's writing is so shitty the CEO gave a written apology and promise to "improve" it.
Holy shit, this is like the greatest insult you can give a writer, that their work is bad and they need to fix it.
>>46509186
The finest recent example of censorship would be that student that was accused of violating "safe space" rules for having raised her hand; and again later due to nodding.
Turns out ANY dissenting opinion - or even any attempt at commenting at all, is an offensive trigger that must be avoided and punished at all costs.
>>46509311
>>46509376
I think that the line is pretty clear; the majority opinion wasn't "take this out you're the WORST", they said "this writing is bad, and we will not be buying this", and the response was "oh, shit, our audience doesn't want this, and the new audience we thought would go for it, isn't going for it. let's rewrite."
>>46509438
Yeah. That was the impression I got. They realized they'd fucked up with their core audience, and are backpedaling hard.
>>46509351
>people actually thotposting
>>46508978
Calistria's also a goddess of thieves for elves, iirc.
>>46509186
>IS it really censorship?
Consider the TrASSer scenario where people were claiming it was censorship to remove the butt. It's the same thing, the public outcry is causing the developers to change the product, it's just on a different side this time. If the product is being forced to change, that's generally speaking not a good thing.
I'm personally with the other anons who are saying it should have stayed, because then when you don't buy the game you can say "it's because of this" and in the next rendition they can either learn from their mistakes or decide it was an alright loss and continue onwards. Plus then it stands as a permanent reminder that you don't write shit characters for the sake of diversity or you lose sales.
>>46509478
>yaranaika?
>>46509438
>>46509473
In that case, it's not really the audience saying you have to change things but the creator (or the creator's boss) seeing the negative reaction they're getting and deciding on their own to change it- which is fine, I think.
>>46509350
>Dark Markets
BLACK Markets anon. BLACK. It's not racist to say that.
>>46509505
People who were claiming it was censorship were stupid. It WAS the exact same thing, and Blizzard were more than within their rights to do it, even though the majority of their audience who spoke on the matter wanted it to stay.
>>46509516
While I agree that people are right to be bothered by it, I don't like setting a precedent to retroactively alter a work like that.
>>46509506
>yaranaika
obviously
>>46509436
>The finest recent example of censorship would be that student that was accused of violating "safe space" rules for having raised her hand; and again later due to nodding.
How is that supposed to trigger someone?
Am I like misunderstanding the definition of trigger? Does trigger mean "anything that induces a reaction in the person?" Is even the tiniest bit of stress a trigger and thus no bueno?
Are... Are these people okay? Do they need professional help? Like let's run this through; woman sees woman raising her hand, this implies the woman is "smart" and knows the answer to a question posed by the professor. Since she knows the answer and Woman #1 does not know, this makes Woman #1 feel deficient, like she was unable to answer the question and Woman #2 could. Furthermore, it implies there's the need for Woman #1 to open her brain and actually *think* about the questions posed.
Is this why raising your hand can trigger someone? Because they can't deal with people being smarter than them or people having intuition?
>>46509558
Because its not about protecting people. It's about quashing anyone who disagrees with you.
>>46509558
You're closer than you wish. "Trigger" now means LITERALLY anything that makes someone "uncomfortable".
>>46509549
Personally, I think it would have been funnier just to change one of the male character's victory poses to something similar to balance it out.
>>46509585
But why? What's wrong with holding a dissenting opinion?
Why are these people so SCARED of people that don't think the same way they do?
>>46509594
What's wrong with being uncomfortable? Plenty of important life moments are uncomfortable, the point of discomfort is that it often leads to comfort.
>>46509597
...Every single character had the identical pose, anon. They COULDN'T have added it, because everyone already HAD it.
What they DID do was change the pose to 1920s cheesecake pinups.
>>46509558
Well, I mean, when you consider the pervading atmosphere of "everyone is a winner, and no one loses" that a lot of people think we need to steep our children in nowadays, I wouldn't really be surprised... That's totally not how the real world works though, and although I've never really quite agreed with "spare the rod, spoil the child" in the literal sense, there's definitely such a thing as coddling kids too much.
>>46509597
>I think it would have been funnier just to change one of the male character's victory poses to something similar to balance it out.
Some of the other male characters *had* an identical pose.
The original poster who complained about the pose was trying to mask their disgust by saying it didn't "fit Tracer's personality, think of the children!" By saying this, they have ground to stand on in their bitching.
So Blizzard removed the pose and made it show off even *more* ass while being cute and whimsical, which fits Tracer's personality. Now the whiner doesn't have a leg to stand on.
>>46509619
>Why are these people so SCARED of people that don't think the same way they do?
Because they know, deep down, that they're WRONG. But being wrong feels bad. So rather than accept it, they just forbid wrongthink.
>>46509619
>Why are these people so SCARED of people that don't think the same way they do?
When you harbor doubts, and are tortured over those doubts but must keep quiet, people who openly express those doubts are your worst enemy.
>>46509676
It reminds me, I saw a gif a while back that cycled through a bunch of male ass-shots from different games, gave each one a green check mark, and then got to Tracer and followed it up with a triggered feminist to the sound of horror music. I wish I could find that gif again, I didn't save it.
>>46509558
This is what happens when the Progressives take their "Everyone is a winner" mentality and force everyone to apply it to all aspects of our lives.
You get a bunch of fucking adult-children shitheads who can't function if someone calls them out on their shit, so they beseech the central authority of any given area to protect their hurt feelings.
Today, we're seeing the aftermath of never letting people fail, and teaching them that throwing a tantrum still works after 12 years of age because "I'M A VICTIM!"
>>46509619
Why are you scared of bears?
Because bears can't be reasoned with on your terms. They don't use the same logic you do.
You can't understand them. You can't control them. You can't predict what they're going to do. You can't see them as people, not really. Your mind refuses to see them as anything more than "big hairy brown thing," and that makes you feel guilty.
>>46509730
>gif
>horror music
That must have been a hell of a .gif, Anon!
>>46509678
The prime example of this is the original source of that dank meme /pol/ has been jamming into 4chan's fat sopping gullet for the past month. You know the one, the feminine looking white guy with glasses and a shocked look on his face.
Why was the man shocked? He accused Trump of being just like Hitler on camera and, rather than agree with him, the guy holding the camera asked WHY Trump was just like Hitler. Rather than express any sort of points, the white guy just started freaking out and exclaiming how the camera guy couldn't possibly imagine Trump is like Hitler, or "wow, really?"
These people don't think, they never grew up, it's a generation of coddled children (as you said) who went into the pampered womb of College and, after getting their diploma, was shocked awake by the reality of life after college and yearned nothing more than to return to the collegiate womb.
What's the most cost-effective magic item to raise my Fort save?
Just the Fort save. If possible.
I've already got a +2 cloak.
>>46509558
Our society has found a new trick in recent years.
Rather than allowing a chance at bright futures or the like, it delays the inevitable guillotine bloodbath of all civilizations by raising everyone as dumb as possible, coddling them with a feeling that they're already a winner. It can't get better than this, not because we're holding you down, but because what could ever be better than THIS GOLD STAR? That's right hmm? you DO get a gold star!
Yes you do!
YESSSS YOU DOO!
For this to work, we need everyone rendered incapable of voicing any form of reason or dissenting opinion. We do this by ensuring everyone's skin is so thin they'll have extreme reactions to the very slightest thing.
When this is due to someone using their head, the dumbdumbs will do the work for you, thus avoiding any image of tyranny.
Have the proles all keep themselves in line, I've got another yacht to catch.
>>46509751
I'm scared of bears because I'm a level 1 commoner and could get my limbs removed by one pretty easily. Same goes for Lions, Tigers, Gorillas, Crocodiles, Elephants, Hippos, Seals, Wolves, Moose (Mooses?), and big enough swarms of Bees, Wasps, Hornets, and Mosquitos.
Fuck nature.
>>46509751
Actually, I understand bears. Generally, they're pretty calm, even though they could open my chest a cardboard box. They're not too bad for the most part, but they can get defensive around their cubs.
And if you ever find one of those furry lumps of slag regularly strolling into town to eat out of the dumpsters, the only move you've got left is to put a hole through its head.
>>46508516
>that webm
>>46509771
Check ioun stones, iirc some of them boost specific saves directly. There's also a variant cloak of resistance that boosts 1 save +1 more than the others.
>>46509800
>>46509803
Huh. You're not wrong.Maybe I'm just terrible at analogies.
>>46509743
You know what the best part about it is? This culture of coddling and "go with the flow" is creating an entire generation of sheep, people with no intuition and ability to really think for themselves. This may not sound great until you realize not everyone will be raised to become a sheep, oh no, there will be wolves, the go-getters and assertive types that don't take no for an answer.
And when everyone is a sheep, you're going to get a *lot* of very fat wolves.
>>46509842
I mean if you want to go with the Bear analogy, you could say you (as the SJW) are scared of the bear because of it's greater strength (reasoning/logic/what have you) and that the only way to get it to go away is to scream and shout loud enough that it fucks off.
Which breaks down if you're dealing with a grizzly, but you get my meaning.
Speaking of wolves and sheep, anyone here play a hunter? They any good?
>>46509743
For what it's worth, not all the Progressives out there plug these dumbass ideas. Although, I guess I've never seen a Conservatist push an agenda like that, but I was never really surrounded by them during most of my life. Not outspoken ones, at least.
>>46509862
That's exactly the whole point.
Look at whom is being raised to become sheep.
Now look at those who exert their influence to help make this reality.
You'll notice their children are being raised quite differently!
>/pol/ and /v/ will NEVER EVER leave /pfg/
>containment boards are a failure of site design
>>46509800
And house cats
>>46509921
I'm sorry, but if you get killed by a house cat you were too weak to live.
>>46509900
>>46509883
Wait, are all of the political groups animals now?
Are we going full Orwell here?
>>46509917
at least i don't save nonanimated gifs
>>46509934
I think that's a D&D joke about how squishy wizards use to be.
>>46509921
Man fuck house cats. One of those things will rip an unoptimized commoner apart, not to mention that they're just assholes in general. Met a few nice cats, but that's it. A few.
>>46509934
>he doesn't know how housecats one-round a 1st-level Commoner 1v1 every time via natural attacks
>>46509917
You have two choices:
1) Contribute to the conversation and not be such a whiner
2) Talk about Pathfinder, that's what we're here for
>>46509971
>>46509960
Good lord.
That's...hilarious.
>>46508661
It... it worked?
They actually listened?
Wow, it feels good to finally see a company give in to fan pressure that was legitimate concern instead of social pandering.
The letter from the CEO was also very well-thought out and rational.
What a great turn of events.
>dhampir cleric of Cixyron
>20 point buy
>must use musket
How would you build it, /pfg/? Race is locked because I need to crash the economy with no survivors once we hit high levels.
>>46509619
>But why? What's wrong with holding a dissenting opinion?
Because these people by wholesale into negative utilitarianism; they believe that the world would be a better place if they minimized "suffering" or unhappiness. However because they as individuals tend towards narcissistic behavior, even expressing a dissenting opinion makes them 'suffer' and be 'unhappy'. This makes the world an objectively worse place due to their viewpoint, and thus people shouldn't be allowed to dissent because it makes some people unhappy. These are the people who believe in "Badwrongfun"; incidentally these traits can be seen in a lot of video game villains, particularly final fantasy ones (kefka, sephiroth, seymour) "Wouldn't the world be a better place if suffering just went away; thus if everyone went away no one could suffer".
As opposed to positive utilitarianism, where the world is made a better place by trying to maximize happiness, aka 'different strokes for different folks' / 'people can like different things for different reasons and that is okay'.
>>46510005
Reading up on it online and I came across this gem of a comment:
>punching a cat should provoke an attack of opportunity
Indeed it does. Poor wizard is not proficient with his fists.
>>46510132
The difference, down at the core, stripped of tribalism and bullshit, is this: They believe in equality of outcome. We believe in equality of opportunity. These are fundamentally incompatible ideas and we will never, ever agree.
>>46508723
You gotta do a lot of shit just to unlock the fantasy routes for those campaigns.
>>46510090
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/c-d/doll-anatomy
Get this to heal yourself in downtime if needed. Yes, cleric and all, but frees up spells/channels pretty cheaply. I'd grab the evil domain and the artifice (toil) subdomain.
Other than that, generic shooty stuff. Maybe dip 1 level in Spellslinger Wizard to let you cast spells through your gun.
>>46510132
I mean, not that positive utilitarianism doesn't have its own issues when people try to push it to the same extreme (IE, if the logical conclusion of "minimize suffering" is kill all the people quickly and painlessly, the logical conclusion of "maximize happiness" involves making a lot of kids so there are more people to feel happy). Plus, you get into the issue of how you even measure happiness or whatever other trait you intend to maximize, especially when you're talking about millions of people being affected by a decision.
But, /rant. Just a disgruntled person who use to subscribe to positive utilitarianism until he took a few actual philosophy classes. I still think it's not a bad place to have your heart.
>>46510172
That is a succinct summarization of it.
>>46510172
>equality of outcome
But assuming that the goal is to maximize happiness, how could you feasibly achieve this? Even if you gave everyone the exact same outcome, some people would like it more than others, since humans fundamentally value things differently. An apple might be worth a nickel to me, but two dollars to you.
>>46510310
Since I don't even believe it's possible to achieve, you're talking to the wrong person. Ask them.
>>46509540
A little late, but no, I mean Dark Markets, the Katapesh guide. Doesn't matter though, I found a copy.
>>46510132
Holy shit, that sounds... Awful.
Imagine actually living like this. Imagine waking up every day, angry and disgusted that people aren't just like you, don't agree with you. This is an awful way to live, these people can't be happy and they can't be going to bed thinking their life is going the way they want it to.
Because when it comes down to it, is that not what is wrong with these people? Their lives aren't turning out how they want them to, and rather than blame themselves for squandering a beautiful life full of privilege and *opportunity*, they rage against the system for behaving as it should and make pleas of emotion for equality of *outcome*, that they should not have to get a fit body for men or women to want them, or people should have the same tastes in video-games and movies as they.
Being this good at emotional bitching is not the sign of a healthy mind. I would know, I've been a raging asshole pissed off at myself and fucking miserable for years and, looking back, the greatest thing I was able to do during that period was not express my opinions with logic and reason, but with emotion and feelings.
>>46510224
It takes less of an extreme for negative utilitarianism to be bad than it does for positive utilitarianism.
Though the extremes for either side are obviously bad.
>>46510310
Equality of outcome is the result of negative utilitarianism ("no one should be unhappy") whereas positive is equality of opportunity ("everyone should have the opportunity to be happy").
>>46510310
>how could you feasibly achieve this?
You can't.
This is why Social Justice movements have been running at full power for decades and still haven't found a point to say "we've achieved our goals." They've gone from helping 50% of the population to helping .4% of the population, with just as much viciousness and urge for societal reform as before.
These are the people that think it's unfair that one man should go hungry and another man goes fed when they were both given $20 and pointed towards a restaurant.
>>46510310
Get everyone to think the same way. There are no wars or disagreements in a world with only one person.When everyone isLITERALLY ME, there shall at long last be peace, consensus, satisfaction.
>>46510353
>Equality of outcome is the result of negative utilitarianism ("no one should be unhappy")
Then they really need to deal with the beam in their own eye first, since the SocJus types are some of the most unhappy people I've ever had the misfortune of encountering. I don't understand how you can be so rich and privileged and hate yourself that much.
>>46510340
Christ, anon, you're legitimately making me depressed.
![The-Master[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MEGZCtu.jpg "The-Master[1].jpg")
>>46510416
>When everyone is LITERALLY ME
I like this idea. Tell me more.
>>46510418
That's a huge part of it, anon. They ARE so rich and privileged, and that makes them feel guilty. So they spend all day trying to "prove" that class privilege don't real, it's really all about the cis straight white able male privilege, a list from which they're probably missing at least one, so they don't have to feel so bad about keeping giant piles of mommy and daddy's money.
>>46510340
Part of it is also that 'feelings' should be protected ("I shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable"), thus trigger warnings, and the silencing of people who disagree (because it upsets you or makes you uncomfortable).
Positive utilitarianism is "Yes, some things will upset me, some things will be bad, some times bad things happen for no reason, but I should still try to be happy".
They're miserable because their outlook *CANNOT* be accomplished.
>>46510340
>Imagine waking up every day, angry and disgusted that people aren't just like you, don't agree with you.
That's what you seem to be doing, at the moment. I meant, just saying.
>>46510475Idle bitching on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum is a bit different than waking up feeling like a piece of shit because they "just don't get it."
I wake up pretty as a peach and work on my faults, what I'm doing here is little more than the same kinda bitching you'd give at a water-cooler.
>>46510416Never.
>>46510475
Yeah, it's kinda funny watching the thread dissolve into this weird "oh man, I pity these people who care so much about what other people think, not that I care what they think, I'm just too detached and enlightened haha"
>>46510416
>tfwyour friends were horrified to learn that if you found a button that would magically remove individuality from all of humanity and link us together into one collective mind, they'd have to keep you away from that button
I offer no apologies for literally being just the means away from being a Final Fantasy or anime villain
I just got back from a LGS in eastern PA.
There were 6 tables with 5-8 people around them playing 5E.
I couldn't get 3 replies when I tried to run a non-PFS Pathfinder game last year. Tomorrow, I'm going back to the store with a DM screen and a sign that says "Looking For Group" until 3 people walk up.
I have an adventure and some pregens generated. Wish me luck.
Pic unrelated to the campaign, unless that's what the players want.
