Imperator Titan Feels Edition
The Rules for the Emperor and the Imperator Titan state that you will lose friends for just buying these models Sub-Edition
Thread and Imperator Titan theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4vuyU-GWw
Last time on the Horus Heresy General OP made a new image, a small discussion on Custode gear, an Anon fresh out of surgery got the idea to start an idea to do a 10th Company Sons of Horus army, Hours throws people off without his maul and Talon, Sigismund's model was discussed and more in the old thread >>46457665
>HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
>HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
>Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
>HH Rules:
>Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
>Isstvan Campaign Legions: http://www.mediafire.com/download/deadtdf0y47k59k/
>Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
>30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
>30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
>30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
>http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/s15Jqk1t/file.html
>https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
I saw this pic in the last thread, and was wondering if others have images of what their armies are like that are similar?
I really like how everythings laid out, a lot like Armies on Parade but more focused on your models over scenery. I'd like to see what other's armies look like.
>>46471273
I would love to play a Horus Heresy era Tau army. A whole mob of them, barely dressed in animal pelts, armed with nothing but sticks and rocks!
Pretend I can't wait for Kheron Ophion's model.
What are some good towershields I could use for the conversion?
>>46471229
While we reached an agreement in the last thread on what marks of armor Luna Wolves should wear, I'm still wondering what would be a good army to build around Loken and the orbital assault rite of war?
Is 10-men Lascannon Heavy Support Squad too much waste of points compared to other options?
Does anyone know if Alvarex Maun actually survives Isstvan V? I want to include him in a post isstvan army, but don't want it to be unfluffy
>>46472084
He survives the massacre itself, he's part of the group that Corax escapes with. Whether he died during the 90 day escape is another question.
>>46471229
Buhizzump. Is anybody alive?
Also, which legions make the best allies tactically speaking? Ignoring the loyalist/traitor dichotomy
>>46471754
It's overkill and too expensive, try reducing the numbers a bit.
I plan 7 men with lascannons or missile launchers, an attached siege breaker or MoS to buff the squad too can't hurt.
>>46471379
All melee. No shooting.
Most melee army in 30k. Apart from daemons.
How do you guys paint Word Bearers red?
>>46473293
>Also, which legions make the best allies tactically speaking?
Depends which main legion you go for, I guess. Battle-bros allies are obviously the best options. The allies should fill a gap, unless it's just for theme.
/hhg/ how do I save this? How do I do gold good?
>>46473928
Start with a copper then put a gold over it. Washing gold brown is nice and easy, but it's also important to make sure the pigment is evenly distributed through your paint. Your white looks pretty chalky--with that red you could get away with priming white.
>>46473928
How did you paint ze gold?
>>46473963
>>46473976
>How did you paint ze gold?
The gold was balthazar gold as a basecoat and then auric over it.
>with that red you could get away with priming white.
I'll do that in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
>>46474020
I personally go Hashut -> Gehenna, line highlight Auric with a Runelord drybrush, but that's just me. I find Auric's a little too yellow, it clashes with a lot of color schemes. If you take that anon's advice, make sure to undercoat your metallic areas black or brown before painting.
>>46474020
Maybe do a wash of Agrax Earthshade after doing Balthazar Gold, then do the Auric. I can't stand GW lighter gold paints, too little pigment or something in them.
The relativly new Liberator and Retributer Gold look much nicer to use, I have not tried them yet thought.
http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2015/07/review-liberator-and-retributer-gold.html
>>46474056
Yeah I'll keep the black in mind. I agree that Auric turned out to be too yellow so I'll be sure to check Gehenna out.
>>46474070
Noted!
>>46474070
Not the greatest pic, but I used Liberator gold on my Perturabo and loved the shit out of it. It's very pale, almost silvery.
>>46473928
Vallejo liquid gold. You need alcohol for clean up, and a dedicated brush, but it gives you the 'holy shit dat gold' effect you're after. The main issue you might have is that it'll be too shiny and gold, but you can use washes and glazes on it once it's dry.
Could you guys remind me what Thunderblitz is? I don't have the rulebook on hand right now.
>>46474109
Shit, didn't realize how bad that pic was. I can get one tomorrow morning to demonstrate the color better.
>>46474109
The gold looks really good!
Mortarion's teleportation trick, isn't that really a psychic power?
Why is Mortarion such a fucking hypocrite?
Ravenwing Protocol 2497 points
HQ (725pts)
Praetor, Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Rad Grenades, Bike - 205 points
Command Squad, 5x Power Weapon, 5x Combat Shield, 2x Combi-Weapon, Melta Bombs, Bikes - 360 points
Primus Medicae, Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon, Rad Grenades, Refractor Field, Bike, Terranic Greatsword - 160 points
Troops (750pts)
9x Outriders, Sergeant, Melta Bombs, 4x Power Weapon, Rad Grenades - 375 points
9x Outriders, Sergeant, Melta Bombs, 4x Power Weapon, Rad Grenades - 375 points
Elites (622pts)
Cataphractii Terminator Squad, x3 Volkite Charger, Heavy Flamer, Rad Grenades, Dreadclaw - 311 points
Cataphractii Terminator Squad, x3 Volkite Charger, Heavy Flamer, Rad Grenades, Dreadclaw - 311 points
Fast Attack (400pts)
4x Legion Attack Bike, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 200 points
4x Legion Attack Bike, Melta Bombs, Molecular Acid Shells - 200 points
HQ and troops harass anything with a 3+ or worse. Fast attack shoot at 2+ units, deathstars and MCs, Terminators drop in and sit on objectives. In squads with multiple power weapons Sergeants all have power axes and everyone else has swords, Calibanite war blades are great but they'll just be bouncing off all those Artificer Sergeants.
>>46474346
Read Daemonlogy.
>>46474356
Woundn't jetbike+that heavy bolter acid thing be better?
Well if you don't mind dildo bike of course...
>>46474444
Four jetbikes with acid bolters and melta bombs is 10 more points than the attack bikes. I consider the points saving and two wounds a piece to be more valuable than 2+, deepstrike and the extra movement. I may proxy after a while to see how things go though.
Who here actually likes the Ultramarine upgrade kits? I normally see people that hate them.
>>46474514
I don't like them, they blew their creative load on the Suzerains. The plastic 40k ultramarine upgrade kit is quite nice though and the shoulder pads fit MKIV armour well enough
Moritat with jump pack. Deep Strike or Outflank?
>>46474514
>Who here actually likes the Ultramarine upgrade kits?
I don't like them at all.
Here's a pic of a Guilliman that I'm working on. Much work still needs to be done, obviously,
>>46474514
i dont like any of the upgrade kits
>>46474593
Looks pretty damn good, Anon.
>>46474600
The Night Lords one isn't so bad
>>46473886
Sacrifice a newborn
>>46474579
I actually like them. A lot better than about half of the other upgrade kits.
>>46474593
I like your Ferrus proxy.
Sold about 10 Horus Heresy books for £3 at a car boot sale on Saturday because I wanted to get rid of them.
>>46471430
Bullgryn shield maybe? Remove the winged skull, add some spiked bits and you're good to go
>>46474772
This is a good idea.
>>46474686
yeah actually i think theres is the only decent one
my problem with most of the kits is that they arent even close to the same armor mark so it just looks like mk5 patched together shit
>>46466147
>Wow, this must have been a much more sophisticated era than 40k and the Emperor with his Primarchs must have been some of the wisest individuals of the age!
( ._.)
>>46474514
I don't play UM, but I think the torsos looks pretty cool.
>>46475214
I'll be starting Ultramarines after I'm finished my Alpha Legion. I can't stand them in 40k, but I really like their legion.
>>46474763
So, you now have almost enough money for 5 legion dudes, or one named character?
>>46471273
>>46475351
£3 buys you fuck all in GW, maybe a pot of paint.
>>46474360
Can you give me s brief summary?
>>46471229
Can I get that Horkus heresy legiones orkstartes list?
The one with Mortar'on with his Deff guard and the others
>>46474346
What? I thought he was sneaky like Corax too
>>46475402
It's a been long time since I read it. So I can't give a proper summary.
But it has the reason for Morty's change of heart.
>>46475515
Mortarion wasn't sneaky, he was quiet.
As in, he would walk across the battlefield in open view letting 50 rounds ping uselessly off his armor, then slaughter an entire brigade in close combat in front of everyone all while not saying a word.
>I can see him still: that ancient Templar-king sitting upon a throne of hand-carved bronze, his armoured fingers laced around the hilt of his great blade. I remember how, to my secret sight, his immense pride and his absolute faith in our grandsire turned his aura into a raging halo of pearl and gold.
>‘So, you have returned.’ His voice was deep, as old as time itself, yet uncracked by the years it carried. ‘I never doubted you would.’
>He rose smoothly from his throne, his back straight, the Sword of the High Marshals held loosely in one fist. By that point he was a veteran of more than a thousand years. Age had ravaged him, yet he burned with life.
>Abaddon stepped forward then, gesturing silently for us to lower our weapons. He inclined his head in respectful greeting.
>‘I see time has blackened your armour as it has ours.’
>The ancient Templar descended the three steps from his throne, his gaze fixed on the Warmaster’s face.
>‘I looked for you. As Terra burned in the fires of your father’s heresy, I hunted for you, day and night. Always lesser men blocked my way. Always they died so that you might live.’
>He came to a halt no more than two metres from Abaddon.
>‘I have never stopped searching for you, Ezekyle. Not through all these long years.’
>Abaddon bowed then, with no hint of mockery. Not in his eyes, nor in his heart. Ezekyle has always cherished valiant foes, and none were more valiant than this knight.
>‘I am honoured, Sigismund.’
>Both of them raised their blades...
Did Abaddon and Sigismund know each other before the HH and during the HH? This seems so personal. Almost homomurdererotic.
>>46475599
you know, as a Black Templars fan I'm okay with the idea of Siggy dying to Abaddon - it makes sense that he'd never stop hunting the former 1st Captain of the XVI, it gives him a good throwdown to go out on, and it gives Abby a decent notch in his win column for some villainy points.
But the idea of Siggy sitting his ass on a throne waiting for Abby to come to him instead of charging out to face him is so fucking dumb I want to belt ADB so hard it reminds him of his dad.
As for the pair of them knowing one another, apart from a brief scene of Sig arguing with the Mournival in Horus Rising I don't think they've ever been depicted as having history.
Do we have a scan of the updated Legions' Book?
pic unrelated
>>46475351
Think he meant 3 quid for the lot not 3 quid each.
>>46475668
I've got the book, but no means of scanning it. Any particular pages you want?
>>46475357
Thank you.
>>46475652
siggy probably didnt even die, all we know is that abby lived.
siggy is probably on ice like girlyman is.
>>46475599
Yeah, they'd know each other, or they'd at least have met a few times.
They were both First Captains, so hung around their primarchs a lot, and Horus and Dorn were fairly good buddies, though Dorn being made Praetorian and Horus being made Warmaster they didn't hang out much for the latter part of the Crusade.
Sigi definitely talked to Tarik Torgaddon (he said something like "I fear in the far future there will be only war"), so it's probable he's spoken to Abbadon before as well
Even if they never spoke directly, which is unlikely, they were both well-known amongst the Legions, as two of the mightiest champions amongst the Astartes
>>46475668
I too have a need for updated rules.
Is it true Alpharius' reserve shenanigans have been changed from specific unit entry to force org equivalent?
>>46475792
Emperor's Children, thanks.
>>46475599
They were both first captain or equivalents so I imagine they met at least once. They are reasonably similar personality wise also so they may have had a minor bromance. As already said we only have the small scene in Horus rising as actual fluff though.
>>46475844
Sigismund? Sigismund?! SIGISMUUUUUUND!!!
>>46475599
>mfw
>>46475652
>
But the idea of Siggy sitting his ass on a throne waiting for Abby to come to him instead of charging out to face him is so fucking dumb I want to belt ADB so hard it reminds him of his dad.
That is probably what happened in reality, but Anon please don't do that to ADB. That skinwalker will take it out on Big E. I know he sometimes visits this board, and I need a name for this. The ADB Factor? No that's not good enough. It was easy with Kyme and Thrope's Law.
>>46475844
ADB hints in his posts on bolter and chainsword that Sigs is going to die. It's suppose to be a symbolic thing. Something to announce that return of the lost sons and the start of the Long War.
>>46475913
>hes going to kill off siggy and dorn in the same crusade just for muh symbolism
well, good thing those BL hacks arent canon. :^)
>>46475913
>Something to announce that return of the lost sons and the start of the Long War.
Besides the First Black Crusade?
>>46471229
Hey guys, are there any mentioned WB loyalists that didnt get killed off?
Are there any Ultramarine or Imperial Fist traitors mentioned in the fluff?
>>46475652
>But the idea of Siggy sitting his ass on a throne waiting for Abby to come to him instead of charging out to face him is so fucking dumb I want to belt ADB so hard it reminds him of his dad.
Charging Abaddon? Abaddon had his warband with him and among them were his primarch busting companions. They would have murdered him seconds.
His only shot at Abaddon was appealing to the Warmaster's martial honour.
>>46475913
Huh ok makes sense.
>>46475941
Lies.
>>46475944
When Abaddon launched the First Black Crusade it was at a time when Imperium had forgotten the traitor legions for quite a while.
Among the few that never forgot about the traitors was Sigismund. As Abaddon emered from the Eye, Sigismund and his Templar were waiting for him. The first to give fight to the traitors while the Imperium had no idea what was going on. Sigismund death would wake up the Imperium from its dreams of peace to cold and hard reality of the Long War.
>>46476013
its just BL hacks trying to mary sue abby as hard as they can, theyve been doing it for years because they got butthurt by /tg/ armless memes
didnt they have one where abby killed like a million bloodthirsters just to meet angron, who then bowed to him. shits getting cringeworthy
Moving away from BL I need some advice. I mentioned earlier yesterday that my dudes were hunting down the remains of a xeno empire, but I need help on fluffing out the aliens. I was thinking about a race of Wendigos with Hindu and Buddhist themes going on, but at the same time I want to not use an existing culture to base them on.
>>46476055
Don't get him started, you ignorant Mongolian.
>>46476055
How do you not know who that is?
I'll give you a clue.
>Lies
>>46476101
>Don't get him started, you ignorant Mongolian.
why not? i want to see an autistic meltdown
>>46476101
>Me
>Having a exchange with parrot-anon
It's like talking to a retarded puppy.
Anyways, did Dorn die in one of Abaddon's Black Crusades or what?
>>46476131
>Anyways, did Dorn die in one of Abaddon's Black Crusades or what?
the retconned it so just his hand died
the rest of him disappeared
>>46476126
Go to the 40k General then.
>>46476131
Well, his hands are currently on the Phalanx, but nobody ever recovered his body.
>>46476146
What Primarch was the last to disappear?
>>46476146
>>46476156
I should have said presumed to have died.
>>46476161
Vulkan. I think.
Book 5 of the Beast Series is called "The Hunt for Vulkan", IIRC.
>>46475863
>>46476244
About 8-10 pictures. It'll take a few minutes.
>>46476260
I'm also posting from a phone, so I'm sorry about the file size.
>>46475599
>>46475652
>>46475859
>>46475864
>>46476013
I wouls suspect that Sigismund saw Abaddon as his counterpart. They're both first captain, Siggy was big E's champion, Abby was Horus'. Abaddon was the highest ranked non-primarch that he could go after.
>>46476280
>>46476304
>>46476348
I'll stop here unless you want the characters.
>>46476370
If you may be so kind, I would like them too.
I hope Saul Tarvis got an upgrade.
>>46474514
I actually like the helmets fite me
>>46476391
>>46476411
Fulgrim too?
>>46476430
That would not be necessary. Thanks a lot.
>>46476405
Nah, son. I like them too. Just commenting on how most people don't.
>>46476453
Hydra Dominatus.
>>46476244
Thank you a lot.
>>46476546
The Alpha Legion always delivers, Anon.
>>46476594
They are so god damn flexible.
I love them.
>>46471737
Orbital Assault armies can be somewhat frustrating in my eyes at least due to the change in legion drop pods. We lost our bunker drop pod ability meaning that were forced to exit them losing basically a free void shield.
But in the case of using Loken, I could see him being put to good use in either a tactical or reaver squad that is in a Kharybdis or a storm eagle.
>>46476608
Difficult to paint though. It took me since November to finally settle on a scheme, so I've got some marines that are a different colour than the rest.
>>46476496
Who painted these.
They really good, i wanna see more
>>46475341
A bunch of the "should be cool" chapters/legions has been kind ruined in 40k like Ultramarines and Space Wolves. If anything I think the current aesthetic they are doing in 40k is just way too over the top on the Space Marines.
>>46476920
Agreed.
>>46476863
I wish I knew. Picked up the image about 60 threads ago.
>>46476920
Forgeworld truly are the hero we need, just not the one we deserve.
>>46476863
>>46476944
advisorium on devart
>>46474109
I'd love to paint the Perturabo model.
But I need it to have a helmeted version.
I'm trash at painting faces.
>>46475792
Please tell me if they updated the wording on WE Chainaxes
>>46477093
It remains the same. And what it means is pretty simple. There's no cause for argument. If you're arming them up as despoilers, they get free axes. Anything beyond that, you fork out the cost of an extra CCW. Ez.
>>46477093
Haaaahahaha. No. Still free
Forever free
>>46477128
>>46477129
>And what it means is pretty simple. There's no cause for argument.
I play WE, i just want the shitposing to end
>>46477147
That should be my thing, being Alpha Legion.
>>46474346
Well yeah, all primarchs are psykers to some degree, some just embrace it more openly than others
>>46475652
The scene in question happens when Sigismund and the Black Templars arrive at Cadia and completely wreck the first black crusade, and Abaddon is forced to teleport onto his flagship so the rest of the fleet can escape
If someone has the book can they confirm in DG get Rad Grenades as wargear options
Also if they do has The Reaping RoW changed?
>>46477016
I think it helps with FW being a niche branch. So there is no reason for GW to meddle with the designs to appeal to their mainstream market.
>>46477318
They dont get it. Reaping dindt change
>>46477050
>paint with elf flesh
>apply devlan mud
Done.
>>46477386
Yeah, flesh wash is probably the most amazing thing ever if you struggle with skintone.
Would the blackshield chymerae option 1 be a great way to represent a bunch of greek hero marines? I really want my praetor equivalent to be Heracles.
>>46477032
>2
Noice, thanks
>>46476146
A revelation led him to it.
Question:
If I stick a vigilator inside a squad, Do they all have to change armour into scout armour, or just the consul have to do the change?, in order to get infiltrate etc etc.
>>46477685
you cant put him in a squad without infiltrate. infiltrating characters cannot join units without infiltrate
Another Quick Question but a different Anon:
In regards to the Questoris Knights Army list, were the crusader, gallant and warden knights ever officially added, i know that they appear on battlescribe but i'm not sure
>>46477804
Check the latest FAQ from FW
>>46475402
Hurr durr I hate all this sorcery that I willingly allied myself with so I'll go rape a thousand sons research world to find a daemon who I can torture into showing me how to do sorcery
Tldr - mortarion a shit
Oh also if anyone was the book are Caedere Weapons still shit or did they get a buff?
>>46478028
>>46477128
>>Not reading the rules
Based on the rules and the use of the word "Instead" you cant even LEGALLY take chainaxes if you buy the chainsword first retard.
You are NEVER exchanging the sword for the axe, you are INSTEAD taking a chainaxe for free. So you dont, "buy the sword, then exchange the axe". Actually you are taking an ax, for the listed price of "free", INSTEAD of taking any of the options of acquiring a chainsword. There is no need to ever own the sword, at all, ever.
You cant take a chainaxe INSTEAD of a sword if you bought the sword first numbnuts.
The WE rule adds the option for taking the new piece of equipment, the ax, as long as you have access to the chainsword. Access, by definition, does not only mean "actually having" and "Instead may take" does not mean "exchange for". These are separate rules interactions.
Read the rules and stop spreading misinformation and then whining like a bitch as usual.
reminder that we have an official ruling on the subject
>>46478088
It's the first time I've ever posted about it, fucknuts. This has all been cleared up before. If you have an issue, take it up with Forge World.
>>46477093
I don't think they did, they still use the words "access" and "for free" at least.
>>46477128
RAI I feel you are right but RAW it is pretty obvious that the chainaxes are free. Honestly I don't even give a shit, if a WE wants to take chainaxes against my SA I'm cool with it, besides WE are a pretty low tier army anyway.
>>46478094
>> Badly worded email
>> Not in any official material.
>> Thinking its official
When THAT is in an official FAQ, Errata, or the books. Then its official. God the shitposting is pretty terrible.
>>46478193
Indeed. When it comes down to it, I won't care. I'm just sick of the shitposting. Not like they'll put down my Alphas anyway.
>>46475956
The only word bearer who never fell wd the one from the crusader host
When sol targron showed up his group tricked him into a crypt where they shoved a time delayed daemon into him
All the ones with the legion were killed but there weren't many since Lorgar could overwrite their brains
Also bearers had 50 years to purge them
While we are in the shitposting, cameleonine on Maun. Yay or nay?
>>46476453
Or just use this link
http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/s15Jqk1t/file.html
>>46478094
>>Email Customer Service
>Laughing.jpg
You realize that those people are hired to handle ordering right? They dont even play these games. My friend emailed them about characters buying legion equipment recently and they flat out said they dont handle rules questions and would forward it to the rules team, we never even heard back from them.
If you want something "official" outside of an FAQ then take a video camera, go to one of the HH weekenders where they have members of the ACTUAL rules team and ask them personally. The Customer Service is a joke at Forge World when it comes to the actual game.
>>46478080
Well it's good to know their still Absolutely useless and awful compared to other legions wargear.
>>46478453
I have a few friends that play Orks and Eldar against my groups HH armies, its nice being the only legion that can just cleave through them in melee
>>46475668
https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg that thing?
>>46478198
>FW says they're not free
>WAAH IT'S NOT THE REAL FW WAAH
WE WAACfags everyone
>>46478453
I'm sorry, should all of them been AP2/3 so that the problems of 40k show up en masse in 30k too?
I'm thinking of giving a moritat a jump pack, but I'm no a fan of a lone dude running around with a huge jet engine on his back. Looking at some old stuff and current fluff, I got an idea of making a souped up anvilus backpack with dedicated thrusters.
How much of a faggot am I for this?
Is their something i'm missing about mortarions sire rule that gives frag grenades/missiles poison, or is it as useless as it seems?
>>46478779
>waacfags
>fucking world eaters
hahahahah pick one and only one
>>46478841
Just don't give him a naked head, he's not batman and can't breathe in space, and you should be fine.
>>46478779
So, if I ask the janitor at FW what's the ruling, what ever he says is official?
>>46479017
I think my praetor is the only dude without a helmet.
Does anybody here have a list build around the Hammer of Olympia RoW, making one myself and looking for some pointers
>>46478779
>>Not understanding the word official
Pleb bait at best
>>46478841
How about the night raptor jump packs?
>>46478929
Being a waacfag has nothing to to with which army you play. It's what you do with the army that defines a waacfag.
>>46479404
>Being a size queen has nothing to do with liking huge cocks, it's liking people to use their cocks as if they were huge that defines a size queen
This is how stupid you sound right now.
>>46478816
Why not?
DA - 2 handed ID Power Sword
EC - 2 handed Power sword AP2 on charge
IW - no legion special melee weapom
WS - Either Power axe or Sword depending on the stance
IF - AP1 MC Powerfist Without Specialist
NL - 2-handed rending Power Sword
BA - MC 2-handed AP2 power Sword
IH - No special melee weapon
WE - Only source of ap3 is a uunweildly stonger lightning claw, Meteor Hammers are alright, Barb hook lask is good agaist MC which is scarce unless playing against Admech, Falax blades are only better than a power sword against terminators. All cost more than a power Weapon
UM - fancy better power axe
DG - +1S AP2 Two-handed Gets a reasonable amount of attacks with Reaping Blow
SoH - No special melee weapon
WB - ID Specialist CCW
Sal - No special melee weapon
RG - MC Rending Lightning Claws
AL - cheap -1 S ap3 Rending knife
There are several Legions With straight up upgrades to power weapons leaving one of the most melee-centric legions with some of the worst
>>46479688
just take your paragon blade and stop whining
>>46479688
What is the 2 handed rending power sword exclusive to the Night Lords?
>>46479750
Nostraman Chainglaive I imagine.
>>46479750
Chain Glaives function like a 2-handed Power sword with rending
The point was that pretty much all legions that have a special weapon are ither AP 2/3 or have some sort of nice gimmick, WE melee weapons are worse than a Power Weapon 90% of the time which is bullshit for a the most iconic melee legion
>>46475668
>>46475792
>>46475860
You mean the thing on the bottom of the OP? Cause it's on the bottom of the OP.
>>46478816
>the problems of 40k show up en masse in 30k too
It's already happening, and inevitably HH will be trash too. As it becomes more accessible through plastic kits, the playerbase will follow a similar downward trajectory.
I've already started backing away from HH; the writing is on the wall. My Legion will grow no larger, and plans for a Blood Angel army have been canceled.
You know it's true, don't shoot the messenger.
>>46479845
30k always had the problems, its just nobody cared enough to abuse them.
double typhon has been broken since day 1
>>46479859
Wasn't the Mechanium also broken from day 1?
>>46478323
Yay.
> Autek Mor can take a Cyber Familiar
> So can Ferrus but he's already got a 3++
>>46479894
yeah, and ironically the cheap BaC newcomers are fixing that problem by spamming sniper vets
>>46479778
Also +1 S
>>46479688
>leaving one of the most melee-centric legions with some of the worst
that's what the free chain axes are for, beat them under sheer numbers of wounds rather than a few that ignore armour. Also I truly believe the chainaxes are meant to be free. The rules haven't changed since the beginning and the RAW is free chainaxes, I really don't think FW would ignore this apparently ambiguous issue for three versions of rules.
>>46479807
But dont WE have special rules making them strong in melee/combat? Maybe giving them wider access to ap2/3 would push them into a place where they'd be too strong?
>>46479945
Interesting. Hopefully 30k won't end up being worse than 40k, but only things in this game are marines, SA/cults/militia, AdMech, Daemons, and Knights so that has to be good for something.
>>46479688
>WS Either power axe or sword
Nigga that's a AP2 non-unwieldy two handed sword
>UM Legatine axes
Not unwieldy too, top weap.
But yeah, WE got the silliest weaps ever
>>46480012
FW has said they'll eventually do a 30k Eldar list
Quick rules question.
May be a being a complete retard, but is there anything saying that a Primarch HAS to be warlord.
Main reason I ask is i wanna combine Golg's terminator troops. Perty's deep striking termies with ironfire.
Obviously, cant do that without Golg as warlord.
>>46480035
and that will be the end of 30k
as soon as the tau/eldar faggots get into 30k its dead, they are cancer.
>>46480007
Seeing how shit assault is I highly doubt that.
>>46480035
NOOOOOOOOOOO
Jesus I'm a fucking Eldar player and even I know how bad that will be for the game.
What were the Eldar even doing in 30k? Wait I'll fucking tell you.
RUNNING AWAY.
Jesus Christ.
>>46480040
Kek, I mistook your question with my own, several threads ago. Primarchs must be the Warlord, as started in the FAQ
>>46480007
That is what FW figured, but it's literally a case of the fanboys complaining they aren't broken enough, especially since the above list of weapons are on the whole just as expensive or more when you take the unit into account, and more restricted in who can take them.
>>46478884
Slightly better against the high-toughness units of the mechanicum, maybe. You know, all those mechanicum units that turn up in huge blobs.
>>46476720
Wait, we lost our ability to not have to get out of Drop Pods? FUCK!
>>46480040
>>46480007
yeah they are idiots
>why dont i get army wide hatred, rage, and a whole unit with ap2 at initiative!?
gee i wonder
>>46480053
It's inevitable. People are saying GW has changed because of they released starter boxes with decent savings, and started a couple facebook pages.
But look at their last few 40k releases: a rehashed supplement that actually managed to nerf Orks. An IA book that gave Eldar yet another extremely powerful build. A Tau supplement that made them the terrors of casual metas across the globe - and insurmountable for several armies. An IG supplement that offered little except 'buy a ton of model X'.
Is there really anyone that believes 40k, and by extension HH - will ever get the treatment they need to be considered a good game? Expect the opposite, theyve doubled down on imbalance and power creep, it's never going to change.
>>46476720
Poor drop pod marines, can't get AV12 from being tied down fish in a barrel.
>>46480224
>Is there really anyone that believes 40k, and by extension HH - will ever get the treatment they need to be considered a good game? Expect the opposite, theyve doubled down on imbalance and power creep, it's never going to change.
oh i give 10 years at the most before they pull age of emperor and fuck themselves into bankruptcy
i just hope whoever buys the company after that isnt a fucking retard
>>46480053
>>46480081
What makes people think 30k Eldar will be the same as 40k Eldar?
>>46480307
the fact that eldar have always been broken in everything theyve ever been involved in, ever.
>>46480272
>>46480327
yeah sure, people were saying the same thing to me 2 years when i said it about warhammer fantasy
nobodys laughing about it anymore
>>46480307
Because we've seen the last time FW made an Eldar list. What's worse it wasn't a Craftworld or Dark Eldar list, which means it's probably closer to what a HH list would look like.
>>46480081
They fought the Imperium to some extent, Fulgrim glassed several maiden worlds after Eldrad decided to tell him that Horus was a traitor.
Honestly though I would like Fulgrim to come out with xenos and human remnant civilization army lists. Just the various minor civilizations that were encountered during the Great Crusade could allow for plenty of modelling opportunities for FW as well as opportunities for interesting rules. Laer are pretty much snake Kroot who worship Slaanesh with their biologically focused specialization.
>>46480319
This.
In terms of TT, Eldar have ALWAYS BEEN BUSTED, only counterable by very specific builds. To prevent this, Eldar would need their core math changed.
>>46480456
>>46480356
And here I thought FW made better rules than GW.
>>46480427
i wish, since they ended up doing a million books for this shit anyway, that they had started way further back and fleshed out the great crusade for a few years before going into the heresy.
it means orks, which are unplayably bad in 40k right now, couldve got a decent ruleset for 30k crusade games, and they couldve added some new xenos races that arent just [insert fantasy/anime race here] in space.
>>46480558
The fact that they don't make a new system and is using 40k rules alone means that they are just as bad
>>46480035
You saw what now?
>>46480558
FW used to be mocked for how broken their rules were... its only because GW is totally incapable of writing anything right now, that FW is seen as 'balanced'. and the real reason for the 'balance' is because 90% of the armies are just using the same army list.
its still lightyears better than GWs current garbage but dont act like FW had a reputation for writing good rules. kek
>>46480578
What is it in 40k rules that makes Eldar specifically broken?
>>46480635
Eldar are just ridiculously efficient, that's all.
Skimmer tanks go where they need to go
Aspect warriors are good at their jobs and can be reliably delivered.
>>46480635
Too much to type out in a post. It's so much worse than you would think though. It's almost as if that army isfor an entirely different game.
>>46480558
On the whole, they do, it's just cunts like >>46480617 cherrypick the most busted units that can be found and hold them up as examples, when you have shit with Eldar like their basic troop transport being nearly unkillable, their jetbikes which have been broken literally since RT (moreso back then), D weapons before they were even a thing in 40k, overall better equipment than anyone else, better infantry for doing it's job than anyone else and ways to get them there.
>>46480617
>dont act like FW had a reputation for writing good rules
Oh, I will act like it. The amount of "GW should let FW make their codexes, they're so much better at making rules" type of shit that has been pushed by some people for years doesn't just get forgotten, especially whenever they made a terribly broken unit, it was still cool because GW rules were broken too.
>>46473886
Looks like Khorne Red base, Nuln Oil wash, tidy up with more Khorne Red, then a mephiston red highlight.
>>46480327
>I'm obtuse
>>46480635
you need to go read the crunch for the current tau and eldar craftworlds books, its laughable.
>>46480681
>>46480701
How is that the doing of 40k core rules and not the Eldar codex? What makes the core rules so biased towards Eldar that there is no way to make a not OP Eldar list?
>>46480712
guarantee you never heard that shit before 30k dropped
you only need to go back like 6 years for FW to be considering a laughingstock when it came to 'balanced' rules writing
>>46480779
Oh, I've heard it for years before HH was even a rumour. Even here there were people defending FW shit and praising them as being so much better than GW.
>>46480803
those were just the handful of retards who were mad that their lgs banned their FW models. kek
fw was so bad that fw shit is still banned in many stores just on principle.
>>46480732
>I'm Chicken Little, yelling the same thing people have been yelling for years and always been wrong
Just stop with the GW IS DYING meme.
>>46480832
>theyd never try to force space marines into warhammer fantasy
>theyd never squat warhammer fantasy, its their old flagship
ive heard it all before
heres my new prediction that will come true, if you can even call it that as this point since its already confirmed, GW is going to force 30k into 40k. plastic 30k is going to be their new thing, they are going to milk 30k as hard as they can and push it into 40k, and in doing so end up destroying both systems.
>>46480828
Actually, that came from GW brick and mortar stores, not LGS.
What WAACers would do is take the strong FW units, that were designed to work in specific army lists that FW printed, use them in GW codices where they were not balanced out with the rest of the book, then claim it was broken.
Any FW unit you bring up, I could tell you what army list they made that it was supposed to go with, and historically, FW armies have been exceedingly underpowered, like DKoK, their CSM/Vraks armies, Red Scorpions (until last codex).
>>46480874
>theyd never try to force space marines into warhammer fantasy
You mean Order Chosen, who strangely were absent from the game for years?
>theyd never squat warhammer fantasy, its their old flagship
Said the fans, not the people looking at the numbers.
Even then, 40k had done better internationally for decades. It's more surprising that it didn't get cut earlier. At the end, it was the shit tier WHF community that helped shutter the game more than anything. It was godawful.
>>46480761
I said nothing about the core rules making Eldar op, not sure what you're on about. But if you are genuinely curious about the state of 40k and Eldar's place in it - you can easily find out for yourself. As I said earlier, it's too much to type here, and this is enough derailment anyway.
>>46480828
>misinformed noob, the post
>>46480971
>At the end, it was the shit tier WHF community that helped shutter the game more than anything. It was godawful.
the 40k community is even worse, and its not even close.
>>46480980
This.
The short version is that they have a lot of highly mobile units, with many special rules that are force multipliers, on top of being specialists in a game that rewards specialists over generalists.
>>46481023
>my opinion: the post
Thank you for playing.
The 40k community actually supports the game, and doesn't shut out new players.
>>46480832
I never said GW is dying. I called you obtuse for replying with that meme.
If you arent aware that GW is on a downward trajectory, let me fill you in: they are. Consistent sales shrink caused by poor decisions. GW is doubling down on those poor decisions, even expanding upon them. Would it be out of line to assume that sales will continue to shrink?
>>46480980
I'm perfectly aware of the state of 40k, I'm just amazed that people cannot see there being any way that 30k Eldar could be anything but. And >>46480578 was the one who said 40k core system is part of the problem.
I'm just interested how there's no way to make a non-OP Eldar list.
>>46481075
>The 40k community actually supports the game, and doesn't shut out new players.
>my taudar list helps encourage new players
>my superfriends list helps encourage new players
>my 2+ rerollable jink DA list helps encoyrage new players
>my 2300 point SM list at 1850 helps encourage new players
>my 5 superheavy list at 1850 helps encourage new players
>my war convo list helps encourage new players
>my decurion list helps encourage new players
yeah you can fuck off, retard
>FW make better rules than GW
For me, it comes down to this. When the designers are passionate about a project/faction, FW and GW can both create rules that are interesting, fluffy, and pretty powerful on the table. The difference between FW and GW is this: FW only work on projects they're passionate about (resulting in big waits for some factions, such as the years some have waited for a new Imperial Armour for their faction) while GW puts out stuff no matter what (resulting in weak & bland codexes because the designers didn't really have their hearts in it).
This means the FW stuff, while often pretty powerful, (and maybe just as powerful as GW stuff,) is much more balanced against other FW stuff. GW stuff on the other hand has wild imbalance between the good books and the bad books.
>>46481120
>I'm just interested how there's no way to make a non-OP Eldar list.
The Eldar codex is so full of powerful units, that you have to build a list with the intent to make it average. Which no other codex can lay claim to.
What would a primarch based on being a super apothecary be like? We have the tech marine, champion and siege breaker Primarchs, and will soon have a librarian Primarch.
>>46481120
Core rule is a problem because the core rule is bad. That's nothing to do with Eldar. I said that FW wasn't a rules genius that people think because they are still sticking with the 40k rule
>>46481173
By list I mean like codex. I don't think FW calls their lists codexes.
>>46481193
Sure, I just thought it was a continuation of the "Eldar are OP and there's no way to not make them OP for 30k" discussion.
>>46481133
>le epic copypasta
So now WAAC players are the measuring stick?
No wonder WHF died.
>>46481075
You're not entirely correct friend. The formations and awful balance have heavily emphasized WAAC gameplay - which has driven away a significant number of players (see: sales shrink).
The current playerbase is chock full of unpainted Eldar and Tau armies, and powerlisters amok. The people supporting this are inadvertantly helping to kill the game, all the while 'supporting it'. The older players were an encouraging group, campaigned, painted and modeled, helped new players. The xenoformation40,000 group is not. This is why the game is dying.
Take a look at the 40k singles event from Adepticon last week. Tell me 40k is in a good place, and attracting new players.
>>46481188
Mortarian, after a fashion.
>Grimdark!
>>46481188
Ressurection man like how Necrons did it.
I could also see a lot of VP denial ability for destroyed units
>>46481266
>So now WAAC players are the measuring stick?
yeah they are, because the prevalent mentality you find in 40k is WAACfaggotry you dip. and its even worse than fantasy ever was when it comes to WAACfag shit.
you cant even make a 'new player friendly' eldar/tau/necron list in any capacity even if you wanted to.
go ahead, try to say the majority of the 40k community isnt WAACfag shit, nobody is going to believe you when ever since BaC came out we can see the 40k bleed over coming here and crying about wanting OP shit.
>>46481347
40k is almost exclusively WAAC. Which is why I came to HH. Bought and built a 4000+ point Legion, then realized it's the same shit here.
>>46480116
I can hardly envision any situation in which 4+ to wound ap6 small blasts are going to be more effective then just shoving krack missiles in some big nasties face
Maybe if they all gained rad-phage or fleshbane instead it would be alright, but even if poison is kind of pointless at least morty is still a 12ft tall teleporting ninja assassin
>>46481272
To be fair, how is that different from the days of Flying Circus and Iron Warriors? People will find the most OP shit and spam it in tournaments no matter the game. I bet if they made a 30k tournament, it wouldn't take long for certain factions to become the most used armies. Not saying it's not total bullshit, but WAACfags have always been there to make the most broken shit possible.
Then again, it's not like the likes of 3-4e were the most fun times either. Sure, you had your traits and doctrines, but in the end there was the one or two lists that won over the rest. And you also had the likes of 4e CSM codex, from which we suffer to this day.
Personally, I enjoyed the 6e style army build, if it could be tweaked a bit. You get a single FOC at 0-1999pts. with one allied detachment. At 2000pts. and above you get another with a LoW. This would let people keep the basic sub-2000pts. games toned down. Meanwhile you can go above it and bring in super-heavies, but in limited amounts. I never liked Apocalypse, because it was just super-heavies vs. super-heavies. I just wanted a chance to take one in large regular 40k games.
I think GW just saw the money in forging the narrative and now we're at the point where whole books can be released with a few token rules and detachments for an army and the game is basically small-scale Apocalypse with barely any limits.
>>46481405
Ooooooor. Maybe it's because the people in your local area are cunts whatever game they're playing.
>>46480307
> Dat frowny-face hammer
Thank the emps FW didn't do that
>>46481486
no, its a community problem. 40k has a shit community focused on WAAC shit and broken formation abuse. 30k had the more laid back fluffy community, because it appealed to that kind of thing and was priced high enough that the 40kids couldn't afford it.
>>46476181
VULKAN LIVES
>>46481547
>it was the kids who were the problem
Kids don't buy a flavor of the month army every time something OP comes along.
>30k is too expensive
Chinaman, plastic kits and conversions, just plain old not giving and fuck and fielding 40k marines.
You can't reign the rape train.
>>46480617
>FW used to be mocked for how broken their rules were
Not by anyone who played them. FW vehicles were costed based off VDR guidelines so they were usually a good chunk more expensive than they should be.
>>46481578
#VULKANSLIVESMATTER
>>46480892
While I generally agree with you the Eldar Corsairs list that came out recently is pretty strong as well. The ITC even voted to nerf its power level despite the nerf not being at all supported by RAW because no one wanted to play against shit that can run away from you after firing overwatch an unlimited number of times. That's not really a case of a specific unit being strong outside of its intended list, either - the whole thing is pretty bonkers.
>>46471229
Dear Horus Heretics.
How would you equip your Tac Squad Sergeants if you are unable to get a fancy legion specific weapon with AP2 at initiative?
Is the good old Power Fist still acceptable?
>>46482625
Power Axe or Power Fist usually on mine.
Axe more frequently, as it's cheaper.
>>46482645
I think the same, after all if I give my guy a Meltabomb it should cancel the need for a Power fist.
On the other hand, squishing people with two wounds can't be overestimated.
I wonder what would it take to make Eldar work. Like if you did the whole Legion thing and made initial unit cost high, encouraging larger units, you'd be able to lessen the amount of transports, since you can't stick 20 Guardians into one. Distort weapons can always be reworked. For example 30k and 40k graviton weapons have different rules as well. Take shuriken catapults away from plebs and give them lasblasters instead. The fact that armoured ceramite is so universal in 30k should make the likes of fire dragons less useful.
Hell, seeing that Eldar were in tatters after the Fall and the sophisticated path systems and societies of the Eldar had not yet been established, their armies should be a bit shit and use less sophisticated things with some cool shit in the mix as rare units. There's no way they'd hate time for every soldier to train for lifetimes to interface with their weapons and armour. They'd have to stick to less fancy DE style shit.
