I've been running a long term D&D group that has been exceedingly great at RPing. Then a new player joined with a magical device that ruined everything. Anyway, after she joined the group has gone completely down hill in terms of RPing and has become completely centered around flattery towards the new player. Now, every member of the group that used to care about the story or plot just care about getting any sort of reaction from the girl.
Case in point, people are discussing what to do next and she suggests something completely stupid and completely off the plot rails with no reasoning behind it. Everyone rallies and fellates her non existent dick forcing the story in a completely stupid direction.
Not only this but idle chit chat and other off-topic chatter has increased massively. It used to be straight into the story but now it involves wasted minutes discussing what fucking food she ate at lunch and everyone around her trying to impress or respond to her.
I finally got fucking tired of it and killed her character off through a completely inescapable DM trap. After killing her character, I simply said she will not be able to continue in this adventure but should apply for a CHANCE to join the next game I run.
Now, the rest of the group is pretty upset for some reason but I am sure I can social engineer things to keep the group going and slowly edge the bitch out forever. Should I have handled the situation in a different manner, for instance maybe just straight up kicking her out? I feel like I executed the best plan possible and handled the social exchanges afterwards good enough to fool them.
>>46449166
Killing her character off through inescapable trap. That's a dick move. But, you got to do what you got to do.
>>46449166
Yeah that's a really bitch move, if you wanted her out you should've been upfront instead of engineering this transparent ploy
>>46449166
Hello, thank you for contacting the /tg/ complaints department.
Have you tried talking to the person like a mature adult?
>>46449252
Yeah, unfortunately she changed the entire vibe of the group and basically moved it from a top-tier story based RP into mediocre-tier "laugh" shit.
I couldn't think of a better way to deal with it and was extremely angered by it during the RP so I decided to just do it.
>>46449288
I feel like she had too much social power. This way is more covert and sends the same sort of message to get the fuck out.
>>46449166
You should've just dated her instead. Would've shut all those babies the hell up.
>>46449636
She was extremely average looking.
>>46449666
Your party clearly disagrees.
>>46449666
Average is not bad, Satan.
>>46449166
Kinda stinks. Losing a player character sucks, especially if there was nothing you could do about it.
Sucks that your players stooped to such a level. What are they like? Permavirgins, well-adjusted, bottom-of-the-barrel on the social ladder?
>>46449316
This.
You could have tried talking to some ofthe other players, too.
>>46449752
Neither is it good, Emperor.
>>46450169
This, tell us about your group and what wa actually happening. I mean, on the face of it you might be a dick, but if it was just a chemistry thing then it's kind of hard. Telling her to stop making the other players infatuated dumb asses is kind of hard.
>>46452337
>on the face of it you might be a dick
Naw, anon, a gm abusing their power to forcibly kill pcs in inescapable fashion automatically makes his a dick, no matter the reason, unless the player and gm agreed on it.
Further, at no point has "communicating concerns with the group" been mentioned, only hamfisted attempts to manipulate other people.
However, considering this story is a lie, I am not surprised that everyone involved is a shitlord.
>>46452337
Exactly what you would imagine. Everyone trying to impress or "play" with the girl and not focused on the game at hand. There is no good way to discuss it openly. I think I took the correct path in slamming the door on her while at the same time making it "softer" than just telling her she ruins the group.
She also is by far the weakest player at the table and constantly breaks consistency with her character, usually for a not funny joke that still gets laughter by the orbiters.
>>46452370
I've GMed a full two year campaign that had a girl player. It went fine but she was reserved and not an obnoxious unfunny bitch that happens to think she is funny.
>>46449366
>I feel like she had too much social power.
Yeah nah. You are a dick, and That GM.
>>46449166
Yeah, you totally should. Like, you should tried to talk her out of her attitude, it helps a lot. Then, if it failed, you just kick her out.
>>46452544
I've gm'd in a group that has had repeated girl players, including my now ex (who is still a part of the group), and the gfs of 2 of the guys in the group (one of whom is still there).
There aren't any problems because everyone knows each of them is a player in my game, first and foremost, with no privileges or immunities.
There are expectations, and if you fuck up or act out inappropriately, I drop the hammer on you, and no one's SO is going to stop me.
When you establish boundaries from the start, you have less problems.
When you treat a player as their own entity without labeling them a gender, you have no problems.
>>46452520
>the orbiters
Why the fuck are you even GMing for a group like this?
>>46449350
Sometimes, people come with a different expectations of the involvement in a game. In most of mine, it's a pretty beer and pretzels-style affair where OoC conversations are pretty common. I guess she either didn't know or didn't care, and the party made it a lot worse by focusing on her. As for the magical device, well, you are the GM. If you let something like this in a game, especially from a new player, it is mostly your fault.
Overall, I would not run a player out unless I have made it clear to them, more than once, that this shit is ruining my fun and asking them to change it a bit. I may offer incentives for that, too, depending on just how annoyed I am.
So, here are several things I think you did wrong.
1. Letting a player come with a gizmo that you were not prepared to deal with/work around.
2. Not managing the situation on an interpersonal level
3. Not giving an explanation or a warning.
4. Taking it out on a character with an obviously BS move for something the player did to annoy you personally.
I am not sure if you tried talking to the rest of the group about what they were doing and if they could stop. I imagine not, by their reactions.
See, she comes off as an annoying newbie, but dammit, she comes for a feel-good fantasy and your group is all over themselves interested in her and finding her awesome. If they aren't total creeps, of course she is going to enjoy the attention - why wouldn't she? You can't expect the new player to know the details about immersion, game flow or the like, or care about the inner workings of a group she just joined if no one was there to tell her about that. Then you take her toys and do it in a way every player with some experience recognizes as a dm fiat move. Yeah, you will come off looking bad.
Maybe you had no other options, but it looks like you did it in a pretty bad way.
>>46449166
Honest question.
Are you folks, like, 15 years old?
If a girl stirs up so much trouble in a group of people, the problem is not with the girl, is with you people.
>>46449166
>Now, the rest of the group is pretty upset for some reason but I am sure I can social engineer things to keep the group going and slowly edge the bitch out forever. Should I have handled the situation in a different manner, for instance maybe just straight up kicking her out? I feel like I executed the best plan possible and handled the social exchanges afterwards good enough to fool them.
Forget to invite her. Several times. Start a seperate campaign with two of the best players and add some new ones. Talk to the old group and ask them to put it up to vote. Kill the old campaign if they vote to keep her.
Voila, you now know who to be friends with.
I have already seen that happen.that's why "boy clubs only for males" are a good thing and you should just keep girls out of your gaming space if you got a certain type of males and want a game-focused campaign.
It sounds immature as fuck but all of your male players were acting on behalf of a completely fine natural instict. They clearly prefer a chance at sniffing his vag than the game and i can clearly understand them ( even if it fills me with disgust).
It if your fault for having created an ambient where their instict and desires go against your goals.
Not all males do that. Not all women have this effect on male groups. But clearly your males and that women do that and you should feel no shame for excluding her as a player if it keeps your game running.
You should however have given all a second shot because the behaviour of the males could have slightly shifted with a talk, and, more importantly, the behaviour of that female, who accepted and encouraged courtship, could have been changed.
sometimes talking solve everything.
Other smart social engineering tricks could have been having her bond with a male( you or other players) that demands seriousness and is jealous of her.
You are not in a good position now, but being friendly to her and organize evenings out with everyone ( not playing tabletop) could be a good solution to not appear like Stalin to your players; and explaining exactly the reasons why you had to do it could help too.
>>46449166
Ctrl + X
>>46449166
your uni probably has some kind of hurt feels office you can call and you can file a safe space violation against the problem player so you can get rid of the shitlord without conflict
>>46449166
Don't be passive aggressive. Next time, first have The Talk, then kick her from the group. Don't use in-game story elements to resolve out-of-game problems.
Honestly this speaks poorly to the maturity of your whole group, even you.
>social power
>people are making SMALL TALK and not being SERIOUS ENOUGH
LEARN
HOW
TO
LIVE
A
NORMAL
LIFE
those "wasted minutes" are called, by people who actually function in society, basic human interaction
it is socialising, you fucking moron
how the fuck do some of you manage to live
like seriously, do you have any concept of what actual human interaction looks like
do any of you go to work, or go to public places
how do you become so fucking broken that basic social interaction terrifies you
Talking basic human interaction in a nerd thread... xD
Okay, quitting the stereotypes.
OPs problem is two-fold:
1) the only girl draws all attention with every shit, and the other players give her what she wants
2) OP is being dragged out of his comfort zone.
Several approaches here.
A) with the current group, establish a rule that OOC stuff happens before gametime or in breaks. If gametime is on, no bullshit, or the boot falls - or their incomprehensible gibberish happens to summon daemons or offend the local priests or something.
Just let them get it out of their system at appropriate times.
B) introduce more girls. Your one girl right now is obviously something special for your players, make them understand that she is not. In a mature way.
There was a thread about playing with bimbos and meatheads two weeks ago, and I was surprised to see mostly positive replies about them rolling rather simple characters, but actually getting into their roles. Maybe you should try widen your recruiting grounds.
>>46449166
I missed the part where you tried to talk to her privately like a reasonable adult and explain the issue from your perspective. You probably just forgot to include it because nobody could possibly be this anti-social.
>>46454596
talking to people is WASTED MINUTES, from the moment you enter the dungeon it's GAME TIME WHOOOOOO
>>46454635
The funny thing is, it doesn't seem as if this girl did anything deliberately wrong. She was invited to a game, she got along with everybody, she suggested ideas. Then, without even trying to talk to her, the DM chimps out behind the scene and forces her out of the group. The fact that he is confused as to why the other players are upset makes me think this is an exceptionally subtle troll.
>>46452785
This tbqh.
She sounds like she should have been spoken to if her style of playing/character was not fitting in with the rest of the game.
The other people sound like they were trying to either trying really hard to get her attention, match her style of play or get in her pants.
You were just a jealous asshole who could have been mature but you weren't. Your group likely sees what you've done and are probably going to leave you.
>>46454663
Well, it doesn't seems she did anything wrong because she didn't do anything wrong at all. It's not her fault that she dragged a lot of attention.
The DM should have done a OOC reunion to explain the problem that it was causing to the game and not simply killing her character and not letting her roll a new one.
Assuming for a moment I was in a situation where players socialising was eating game time I would, because I am not an idiot, say to everyone "why don't we meet up outside of game sessions more often to shoot the shit because at the moment the game is getting slowed down by OOC chat."
Or "can we be a bit more focused on the game, and catch up OOC during a break for food/before and after the session?"
Most people are not dicks and will unfuck themselves if you are polite about it
>>46449166
This is somekind of bait, Op?
You allow the magical item that ruined the game. Then you do nothing to put order on your table.
Besides betamaxing her off the table without telling players straight up.
Op, pls.
>>46453873
And the fact that they don't understand the point of socializing and small talk say more about them than the people doing the small talk.
Has it ever occurred to them that there might be a coldly rational, calculative reason to do that stuff?
>The GREATEST RPG GROUP EVAH Ruined By An Attention-seeking Female!
Tragic!
>>46456360
Probably a bait thread, but too many DM's actually think this way and do these things. Too many girl players actually behave this way. Too many boy players react to girl players this way.
It's believable enough to be true even if OP is just b8ing us.
