What sensation do tyranids feel when they fire their bioweapons?
Is it pleasure?
>>46410192
They probably feel nothing at all.
Bodily responses beyond pain in a "This shit is wrong, fix it" manner is useless to a construct that's not going to live beyond a couple of months before being recycled.
>>46410192
A satisfaction akin to taking a good dump.
>>46410192
Probably no more of a reaction than when you spit. This is something they're going to be doing very often, having too strong of a sensation associated with it would distract them in battle. I get that you're implying a whole phallic thing here, but realistically it would be a really bad design decision to orgasm constantly in a fight.
>>46410216
>Taking a good dump multiple hundreds of time per minute
Jesus Christ.
>>46410192
yes, the tyranids firing their weapons is literally them cumming all over everything
is that what you wanted to hear?
>>46410192
Not a pleasure in and of its self. But just like exercise can become enjoyable, if a 'nid blasts off enough times, the exertion involved would probably become a positive sensation.
>as much as a singular body of a hive-minded life form can experience anything less than annihilation.
>>46410202
I would think since reproduction is a very powerful biological drive and nids have no use for it as they are grown in spawn pools, it makes sense to repurpose this system for fighting. So perhaps:
Target spotted: arousal, bioweapon readying to fire
Firing: moderate pleasure, ala fapping
Target destroyed: intense orgasmic pleasure
Missing or target escaped: ruined orgasm
>>46410226
What about when they're separated from the hive mind or are out of synapse range?
>>46410299
Nids are driven by an omni-present Hivemind.
When Nids are not being driven by an omni-present Hivemind, they do nothing except butcher everything around them, including each other.
Nids are biological-borderline biomechanical machines, not animals, they have no use for those things.
>>46410320
Then they go on a rampage and murder everything, other 'Nids included.
>>46410322
>Nids are biological-borderline biomechanical machines, not animals, they have no use for those things.
Explain Fenris and Catachan where Tyranids become part of the planets ecosystem.
>>46410340
Fenris is spess yiffs, nothing makes sense on spess yiff planets.
Catachan was already horrific as fuck before it got partially Tyrannoformed, another couple breeds of creatures spawned from pods generated by a different breed of the same organism is nothing new.
>>46410322
That doesn't contradict the pleasure thing though. I imagine they are constantly sending interesting things they see to the hivemind with "is this target y/n ?" And the hivemind just have to say yes and let the creature figure out how best to engage it for the most pleasure.
Which neatly explain why they go crazy when the hivemind is not answering: the default response is everything is target.
>>46410368
Or, OR, it could be a system of "I see thing, is thing interesting?" The Hivemind goes "Yes" and that's the end of it.
They aren't animals, they never were animals, they are basically organic Predator drones.
Pleasure is not needed for things that are constantly being piloted, pleasure is not needed for things that are designed and produced to complete a goal and then be scrapped, it is an unnecessary and pointless system for something that's going to be melted down into raw biomass within a year, or turned into chunks within a few hours.
>>46410368
Fuck off with your attempts at injecting magical realm, faggot.
The Tyranids feel no pleasure because as you put it, they have no need for it.
>>46410406
This.
Please remove your faggot self from the premises.
>>46410406
Tyrannids are closer to insects than other animals.
Insects, for the most part, are capable of feeling pain, if only in the most rudimentary of forms as a general "Shit is wrong, brohemian rhapsody edition" sense; but if they feel pleasure it's a muted thing more akin to an eye blink than anything else.
Mostly because they are not conscious beings, they are born and driven by instincts and directives ingrained over millions of years, they don't eat or fuck for pleasure, or even sustenance in some cases, they do it because it's all that they are made to do.
>>46410192
Probably something akin to what you feel punching someone in the jaw just right where you know they're going to fall after you follow through
>Pleasure is not needed for things that are constantly being piloted
I don't feel that tyranids are constantly piloted, else when the hivemind is destroyed they would just fall over and become vegetables like the droids in Phantom Menace.
Given that they revert back to something akin to wild animals when hivemind is out of reach, I would think they are quite capable of autonomous operation and there's no need to send queries like "target moving across field of vision, lead target by how much to compensate?" all the way up the chain of command, that sort of decision is better handled at a local level.
Which means if they have a basic level of biological programming, then it makes sense that both pain and pleasure are used to reinforce 'good' behaviour and discourage 'bad' behaviour.
>>46410227
Holy fuck. They must feel so smug and self assured.
>>46410192
Nothing. It would be like moving a finger.
Remember the bio-weapon is a separate organism, technically. The main body just sends the gun-body the "shoot" command.
The gun creature could possibly be feeling something akin to pleasure, because it doesn't have to aim or do anything beyond shoot acid shit out of its gun hole when its host tells it to.
>>46410576
It would probably have to be some pretty tight integration between the two though, the host has to know all sorts of information like the gun creature's ammo reservoir status, oxidation and nutrient level, rate of ammo generation etc etc.
If Tyranids don't feel pleasure, then why does my Keeper of Secrets magics affect them?
Checkmate.
you guys seem to forget the The gun holder and the gun are separate beings.
>>46410604
I wonder if you could amputate the bioweapon off the host and have the host not die in the process.
Would it feel lonely without the little dude that's been with it since the beginning?
>>46410597
why would it need that? That's what synapse is for.
>>46410618
I figure whenever possible, direct nerve connection is more reliable than synapse. Particularly if you're a little shit like a gaunt.
>>46410662
gaunts are as uncomplicated as possible, literally disposable meat
I seriously doubt the hive mind cares much about them knowing how much ammunition they have left.
>Something was wrong. A sensation at the back of her mind. The sensation grew teeth, became pain.
>Her soul was gripped by agony.
>Iyanna screamed, falling from the edge of the couch. The pain abated, then squeezed her anew. She vomited.
>The dead were dismayed. The blow against her raced out across her attack group, leaping from mind to mind. Wraithbomber engines guttered out. The Wraithborne’s sleek cruisers turned viciously, wallowing in psychic swell.
>Bright light burned at Iyanna’s soul. A long tunnel telescoped away, encompassing infinite distance. A tube stabbed through the fabric of the world. She felt its ripples in the warp. She felt its ripples in the webway.
>She had the sense of an eye, slave to a great power. An intellect that dwarfed the Great Wheel of the galaxy. She opened her second sense, to find the Dragon looking at her with terrible regard.
>For aeons it seemed it held her in its gaze. And there was fury in that examination.
>The Dragon was angry, and it was angry with her. Not with the galaxy, or this sector, or her species. But with her personally. The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge.
>Terror of a kind she could not have conceived of flooded her mind. She screamed again, and this time every eldar in the fleet screamed with her.
-From Wraithflight (short story) by Guy Haley
The said the Tyranids cannot hate.....
They said Tyranids don't take things personally....
>Yriel plunged his spear deep into the rearing serpent. It keened terribly, and Yriel salivated as his weapon drank. Since the day he had lost his eye due to the spear feasting on the limitless hive mind, he had managed to control its fell power and its obscene appetites, but at this final pass he no longer had the strength, and the spear’s murderous soul overwhelmed him. He could not stop it feeding, drawing upon the infinity of spirit the Great Devourer possessed. Yriel felt the hive mind, heard it howl. It thrashed about, and Yriel was battered by its anger. Its thoughts were utterly, unimaginably alien. But one thing came through strong and loud. Hatred, hatred for this creature that had for the first time in untold aeons wounded it.
-From "Valedor"
What can feel pain and hate, can feel joy and pleasure.
Truefax.
>>46411035
>>46411049
>BL is shit
More news at 11.
>>46410192
They don't have emotions. This isn't a hentai board you low test degenerate.
>>46410327
Sounds like they take immense pleasure in fighting.
>>46410238
>>46410226
What's up with the juvenile tone here?
It should be obvious that an organism engineered to do a specific thing will take immense pleasure in that.
That's how we do AIs (inb4 "it's only an incrementing number!") and that's how living beings are driven to do what they do.
There is no selflessness or purely rational existence unless you are an automaton. Living beings have internal incentives, from bad conscience over pain to orgasmic pleasure or just the need to feel anything at all.
And you can be fucking sure that each individual nid will have a mind that enjoys murder and sees no problem with being dissolved after it's become useless.
>>46410389
>Or, OR, it could be a system of "I see thing, is thing interesting?" The Hivemind goes "Yes" and that's the end of it.
And then the Tyranid shoots in the general direction of the target because it has no reason to shoot accurately. It also trips because there is no reason to care about walking properly. And it constantly stumbles into stuff and hurts itself because why the fuck not.
Even our fucking predator drones have instincts. If they lose contact they return home. If they dive too deep they automatically rise again.
Instincts are necessary. And they work via states of mind.
>>46410406
>magical realm
Remember when we could have interesting discussion instead of getting idiots riled up because their minds instantly jump to "ew icky!" instead of getting off their high horses?
>>46411049
>>46411035
>equating individual tyranid organisms with the hive mind
you're pretty dumb, dawg
>people not realizing how much of their own behavior is determined by their biological pain/pleasure responses
Of course they feel pleasure. About as much pleasure as you get eating a meal or playing a game. They're not running around constantly orgasmic, but their intelligence should revolve around the same reward/punishment model that all animals with a nervous system share.
>>46411301
>tyranids
>individualism
>>46411339
proofs tyranids have a nervous system?
>>46411339
and it seems you don't understand how much the tyranids lack this.
hormagaunts and termagaunts only have agression as a instinct it's what drives them to attack everything around them when they lose contact with the hivemind take for example rippers as well those little shits flatout die when they aren't in synaps.
sure higher creatures on the totempole probably have some measure of awareness such as hive tyrants and the like.
where as things lower then that you start to see massive degradation in cognative ability beyond stuff like go to place look for enemy is enemy right target for weapon if yes fire if no move on.
>>46411339
This
It's like none of you have opened a Nid codex before. They don't all just 'rampage', they revert to a basic set of instincts that are meant to serve as a get-you-by until the hive mind can resume control. So yes, Carnifexes will start smashing shit, because that's almost certainly what they would have been used to do if the hive mind was controlling them. Gaunts, on the other hand, do not suddenly start firing Fleshborers in each other's faces, but seek out an advantageous position (such as a ruin or somewhere to burrow) to hunker down and defend until the hivemind resumes control. Oh-so-conveniently, that just happens to be a sound tactic for an infantry squad unable to advance and cut off from support.
Point is, Nids are shown to have a basic set of responses related to their battlefield role in both fluff and crunch.
>>46411380
The hive mind does not fire the weapon, the tyranid does. This is most evident by the fact that they can operate outside of its synaptic influences.
>>46411392
Their bodies do stuff.
>>46411411
> only have agression as a instinct it's what drives them to attack everything
You just agreed with the guy.
>>46411301
Individual Tyranid minds make up the Hivemind. So what it fleels, they all feel.
>>46410192
Never has this image been needed so much.
Tyranids don't need feelings besides pain. Maybe this could apply when they're in synapse range, but while they're connected to the Hive Mind, Tyranids are one personality acting across multiple bodies.
The Hive Mind doesn't need to make the Tyranids feel pleasure because it IS the Tyranids. The Hive Mind wants to eat everything, thus the Tyranids want to eat everything because they are the Hive Mind in physical form. When you fight a Tyranid army, you're fighting the same person several million times over, though Hive Tyrants are the exception. It doesn't need to goad them on or improve morale with pleasure causing guns.
>>46411687
>It doesn't need to goad them on or improve morale
No one is talking about fucking moral.
We are talking about basic goal-driven conditioning.
>>46411687
>The Hive Mind wants
What do you thing a "want" is? Why do you think anything "wants" anything else?
The argument that Tyranids don't feel anything is akin to arguing that you have a hand that basically operates on wireless nerve impulses. It does what you tell it to do, and it feels pain and pleasure as necessary. Ok, makes enough sense. The hand itself doesn't feel anything, the mind it's connected to does. However, you then have the issue of what happens to the hand when it moves out of wi-fi range. Does it do nothing? Does it have some protocol it follows? If so, it needs at the very least a rudimentary intelligence of its own to direct it, even if it is extremely simple.
If you argue that tyranids are like a wireless hand, they're either going to emulate some form of pleasure to say "hey everyone, nom noms over here" when an individual finds something worth noting, or they feel pleasure in an individual sense because they have protocols for what to do when not in range of the hive mind.
>>46411757
>Making things feel pleasure
>Not improving morale
The point is, the Hivemind doesn't really have a reason to make Tyranids feel pleasure. They don't have independent thoughts, or at least not complex enough to understand being rewarded. When they're out of the Hivemind's reach, they are programmed to do something automatically.
>>46411380
>deathleaper
>swarmlord
>>46411905
>When they're out of the Hivemind's reach, they are programmed to do something automatically.
How do you think it does that if an individual can't determine the difference between what it should and shouldn't do?
>>46411905
>understand being rewarded
> they are programmed to do something automatically.
You DO NOT NEED HIGHER THOUGHT to get rewarded.
Even the most simple fucking amoeba gets pleasure from eating, for fuck's sake. That's how life works.
If that wasn't the case, we'd all the vegetables.
You can either procedurally generate behavior via guidelines - like living beings do - or you can hardcode complicated as shit programming, like we currently do with computers.
Guess which one fights better when a leg gets blown off.
It's either "get pleasure from murder, figure everything out yourself" or "step A, step B, step C, step D, faceplant because your leg is three centimeters shorter than the baseline".
>>46411949
>>46411955
Okay, fair enough.
Some of the guys above, mainly OP, seemed like they were talking about Tyranids needing to feel pleasure while in synapse range. I concede they would likely need pleasure responses outside of the Hivemind's reach.
>>46411905
Reward/Loss is a concept so basic that even spiders understand it. How much dumber are Tyranids and how can they even function when split off from the HM?
>>46411955
>Even the most simple fucking amoeba gets pleasure from eating, for fuck's sake.
No it doesn't. Amoeba's are so small they're behaving on a macro-chemical level. They're basically grey goop that has a limited range of what it can convert in to more of itself.
>>46411984
True enough.
Take it as hyperbole.
>>46411236
>It should be obvious that an organism engineered to do a specific thing will take immense pleasure in that.
>That's how we do AIs
What ... ?
>>46411998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44
This type of neural net works by increasing a number, its "fitness".
It's basically identical in function to a reward system, except that it's used to determine which neural network is best (there's a shitload of networks that get randomly generated and interbred according to which are fittest) instead of directly guiding the network's behavior.
The end result, however, is something that is inherently best at reaching a fitness that is as high as possible.
It's not entirely the same, but it's rudimentary comparable.
>>46411998
Intelligence is basically broken down in to a process that amounts to:
Step 1. Try something
Step 2. Was that good or bad?
Step 3a. If good, keep doing that.
Step 3b. If bad, try something else.
Its moderately difficult to structure properly because we have millions of years of evolution setting up our own hardware and software to produce what is basically an intelligent person.
>>46412023
>>46412049
Isnt it more like: Reach point X and the machine learns how to archieve that (if or else) by trying different actions, learning by doing?
I dont see how you would say its a "reward" or good/bad for the machine when it just follows an algorithmus to solve the puzzle we told it to do, the AI doesnt know why it should reach the end of the level, what Mario or a goomba is at all or that falling into a pit is "bad" especially since the AI doesnt know the definition of "bad"rather goal not archieved, repeat, but this time avoid Y with action Z.
Im pretty sure in terms of Nids, you also have to take into account that Nids keep specific informations after getting turned into biomass again and thats why they are able to adapt to nearly everything?
>>46410299
Keep your fetish out of the game dude.
>>46411236
The point is that individual nids don't have individual minds. They are one single psychicly linked mind connected across multiple bodies.
That's their fucking thing.
They don't need a incentive of a response to an action to drive them.
The Hivemind's urge to feed and multiply with the matter they gained is the only driving force here.
>>46410340
probably no one to comand them effectively
>>46412171
>I dont see how you would say its a "reward" or good/bad for the machine when it just follows an algorithmus to solve the puzzle we told it to do
Because the algorithm relies on a scoring system to determine what outcomes are good or bad, much like people rely on the amount of pleasure/pain they feel to determine how they should modify their own behavior.
You see the difference because the algorithm is relatively simple and you know how the scoring works. You need more tiers of behavior to get something to really isolate what elements cause the score to go up or down.
One of the reasons AI is so poorly understood is that people don't consider how much information is being fed to them every second of every day. You get something like that Mario video which looks impressive until you consider how little information the AI is actually getting. People can figure that shit out, but they don't usually think about WHY they can figure that shit out.
>>46412171
It's like this:
There is a program that develops the neural net that will later fulfill the task.
This program manages the nets until they become more and more awesome by interbreeding and mutation.
The nets themselves are incomprehensible algorithms that can have very arcane conditions like "press A if pixel 200/44 turns red but only after five minutes".
Now, we basically have a static neural net that results from the development process, a development process and a system that controls the development.
You could roughly equate the development process of a neural net with a natural learning process, which works according to a reward/punishment system.
Just how you can swing a stick, realize that you completely failed to hit the baseball and then try another approach, while having less and less variety in between approaches because you are slowly nearing an ideal solution. Each time you are rewarded for getting it less wrong and punished when you do worse.
The difference between neural nets and natural organisms is that organisms do this dynamically - We learn while doing and we learn according to many more guidelines than "go further into the level".
Meanwhile, once the neural network is born, it will do what it does. It doesn't try to improvise or attempt different approaches, unless that's already part of its programming.
So yeah, our current approach to AI is basically Skillsoft. Let a process learn, then extract the finished result and let it do its thing.
tl;dr
The process of developing a neural network is similar to the reward/punishment of a living being, but the result is is just another piece of hardcoded software that reacts to stimuli.
>>46410556
you only need to reenforce good behavior if they have any inclination to do something else.
They're basically programed. it's probably better too think of them as war droids made of meat rather than animals.
>>46412461
>if they have any inclination to do something else.
You need a reward system to MAKE them do anything.
Even if there's direct control: Why the fuck would the hive mind control each individual muscle, instead of having a gestalt consciousness that gives every Tyranid a feeling of "this individual has to die" or "this position feels better for shooting".
You know, just like how you might view the guy who just fucked your wife unsympathetically.
That's a far more reliable system because it offloads the unnecessary parts of micromanagement onto the bodies of the fighting individuals, instead of clogging up the Tyranids in the hivemind that should be using their brainpower for shit like strategies instead.
It's more economically viable to have a self-contained unit that shares target priorities with the hivemind instead of having all kinds of fiddly outside control via the fucking warp.
Remember, the synapse link is a fucking warp link.
In fact, I feel like the "fall back" command for Tyranids is likely pants-shitting terror, with a sense of safety linked to the fall back point.
>>46412461
>it's probably better too think of them as war droids made of meat rather than animals.
https://youtu.be/p6R9UkpyvSM?t=3m30s
Roger Roger
>>46411274
>interesting discussion
What part of giant insect hivemind bioweapons orgasm when they kill things is interesting beyond something fetish related?
>>46412695
Hint: Don't stop reading at the first posts that gets you buttflustered.
>>46410227
Hands down, tyranids are the future. They deserve this galaxy much more than humans, as superior beings.
>>46410192
Recoil.
>>46410226
>it would be a really bad design decision to orgasm constantly in a fight.
Isn't that what Slaneeshi demons do every day?
Bumpa
>>46410192
Targets are an irritant, like an itch.
Firing the weapon is like scratching the itch.
>>46414212
When it hasn't come to killing their allies or severely disadvantaged opponents have slaaneshi soldiers ever won anything? There greatest champion's favorite trick relies of him getting killed.
>>46410614
Tyranids don't feel loneliness you daft cunt.
They are biological killing machines.
The closest thing to "loneliness" they might feel, is a cold situation assessment about them being completely isolated from other tyranids, if they even have the brain capacity for that.
>>46411380
>>46411667
The Tyranid Hive mind is the combination of untold billions and billions of tyranids, in which the minds of individual nids are not even drops in an ocean.
Gaunts behave like rabid animals when taken outside of the synapse range, so what little beastial minds they possess, probably revolves entirely around just killing, killing, and killing.
Smarter nids, like Lictors and Genestealers, possess keen and cunning minds and they can operate indpendently, far outside of the synaptic influence of the hivemind. Thus, it is safe to assume that they posses some degree of individuality.
Then there are creatures like the Warriors, and Hive Tyrants, which are flat out stated to possess their own personalities, despite their extremely strong connection to the hive mind. The Hive Tyrants are stated to be basically immortal, as even if their body dies, their "mind" survives within the hivemind, and is simply put into a new body. The warriors in turn, are bred from the flesh of the Hive Tyrant they serve.
So in short, Nid hivemind is complex yo, as it has both basically mindless drones within it, as well as strong, individual minds.
>>46411411
>termagaunts only have aggression as a instinct it's what drives them to attack everything around them
Wut?
>>46411929
Swarmlord a shit and Deathleaper probably isn't anymore intelligent than a Genestealer, let alone sentient since it has to rely on instinct
>>46419599
>The closest thing to "loneliness" they might feel, is a cold situation assessment about them being completely isolated from other tyranids, if they even have the brain capacity for that.
Aka loneliness.
A state of mind that urges you to find companions.
Exactly the kind of thing a solitary Tyranid made for group warfare should feel.
>>46421227
Loneliness has emotional connotations to it.
For instance, a rat will die from loneliness because it is too depressed / sad to live.
A Tyranid is more akin to an ant, it has an urge to seek out other Tyranids, but only because it is driven to be a more effective murdermeatmachine.
>>46421368
And a stoic person can keep in control of their emotions at all times.
That's what it would be like for Tyranids. Imperative is always survival and murder. That's what they do and what gives them the most pleasure.
But other emotions are also there.
In fact, imagine a lone hormagaunt who stalks the forest and murders everything because it has learned that the pain of loneliness disappears while it's fighting.
A tyranid drowning its sorrows in murder like other animals would with alcohol.
>>46421471
That hormagaunt would be impressive if it didn't burn out in a few weeks.
>>46410192
A sort, it was in a older blurb, with a psyker connection with a nid weapons, feeling it's desire to spit it's living projectiles at the enemy, the projectiles desire to fly and burrow.
The pleasure of serving your purpose, a job well done.
>>46421543
More like few days.
Hormagaunts aren't made to last.
>>46410192
Hunger.
>pleasure
Not Tyranids, no. You've probably confused them with this thing.
>>46410322
Animals are biomechanical machines
Sensations are our orders. We feel pleasure when things for us happen and displeasure when bad things happen to make us peruse and avoid those things respectively.
If you're designing an animal for task you make it feel pleasure when it does something you want and displeasure when it does something displeasing.
Not defending making it similar to sexual feelings, that's retarded, but nids probably have a rudimentary "this good" "this bad" feelings so they can act fairly independently if need be. I've always been under the impression they release organisms to do as their instinct tells them and only throw down synapse creatures where direction is needed, so pretty much only when encountering Resistance. all the organisms eating fields of wheat and such are probably just permitted to behave on their programmed instinct, which is directed by basic hormonal feelings.
ps.fuck off click until none left captchas
>>46423720
Reminder, when faced with a giant robot made of nanomachines that has a laser cannon for it's enormous wang, punch it in the dick really hard.
>>46410192
Nothing. They probably feel no pain at all too. Think about it, what point would there be to making something feel something when you use it like a tool? When I use my screwdriver I don't think it's getting aroused when it's screwing something, you know?
>>46424136
>They probably feel no pain at all too
Then why don't they have FnP.
>>46424158
Why don't Space Marines on the tabletop kill thousands of things at a time?
>>46424218
But they do.
>>46410192
If it was pleasure why wouldn't they just fire all their ammo the moment they had any control? Who needs a target?
If you put a wire into the pleasure centers of a rat's brain, and give them a button that will put a mild charge down that wire, they will push the button to the exclusion of all else until they die.
>>46410299
Only the Norn Queens and Genestealers make more Tyranids. And the latter can only make more Genestealers.
Even Hive Tyrants don't have a reproductive function.
>>46425002
>Even Hive Tyrants don't have a reproductive function.
But then how will I have sex with them?
>>46425002
Hence, the wiring associated with reproduction could be re-purposed to do something else.
>>46410192
short answer: no.
long answer: no, go away.
>>46425002
The 5th edition Codex outright states that Hormagaunts are capable of breeding independently of the Hive Fleets, to the point that they can be dropped into an environment and rapidly increase their numbers by the time more complex bioforms arrive to lead them. I believe the 3rd edition Tyranid codex said that Termagants and Gargoyles were also capable of reproduction but can't say for sure.
In both cases, the exact method by which that reproduction takes place isn't described. It could be sexual, or they could just be born with a clutch of viable eggs already waiting to be laid, a bit like aphids.
>>46411274
>And then the Tyranid shoots in the general direction of the target because it has no reason to shoot accurately. It also trips because there is no reason to care about walking properly. And it constantly stumbles into stuff and hurts itself because why the fuck not.
>If there are no pleasure responses there can be no pain responses
>all drives are pleasurable
>all instincts are pleasurable
