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Old Thread: >>46365213
>>46372546
>redeemed succubus
There aren't words to properly describe how disgusted I am right now.
>>46372574
Ain't nothin' wrong with a good redemption/falling story.
What would you think of a Filcher Hidden Blade Unchained Rogue? What would you do to make such a character even better at stealing things?
>>46372552
Well, I mean, I agree that if different schools being balanced is a concern, abjuration needs more love and should have more spells(quite possibly including spells currently belonging to other schools such as defensive force spells from evocation, and possibly some spells from divination, conjuration and maybe even transmutation), but putting completely unrelated spells and declaring abjuration to mean something that it most definitely does not mean is NOT the right solution. But given the state of pathfinder in general, wizard specialists being unbalanced with each other is such a small issue that it's hardly worth contemplating.
In honor of Milani's marvelous mammaries, what was the chestiest character you've ever played?
>>46372685
She is LITERALLY MADE OF EVIL.
>>46372740
>>46372685
>good story
This is Paizo we're talking about, brother
>>46372740
>In honor of Milani's marvelous mammaries
>>46372543
>>46372740
Overall Chestiest: Kitsune Social-Ninja
Chestiest WithoutBeing in an ERP Game: NE Illusion/Enchantment focused Bard
>>46372757
So? Just because you're Evil doesn't mean you're evil, ya know. Besides, who gives a damn about cosmic forces, I fight for what I want damn it, I'm my own person!
>>46372793
As in, she is made of the stuff of Evil. She can't be anything BUT evil or she would have ceased to exist. It's the whole, the entirety of her essence.
>>46372757
She is also made of Chaos, which provides the opportunity for change.
>>46372819
So angels can't fall, got it.
>>46372819
>>46372757
In general, you're correct.
However, Arueshalae was basically mind-raped by a god into feeling guilt for what she'd done, which is what set her on the road to redemption. It couldn't have happened otherwise.
>>46372849
Not without radical changes to the core and center of their being, at which point they aren't Angels anymore.
Unless you're an angel that used to be mortal -- then you can go all across the alignment spectrum that you want.
>>46372841
And she's also Evil. She cannot be anything other than Chaotic and Evil without essentially unmaking her.
>>46372819
You know non-evil succubi have been around since, like, 2e right
>>46372877
So then it actually is possible for things to go against their very nature, even if it changes who and what they are.
>>46372819
Rogue
Modron
>>46372574
>>46372546
>>46372819
The justification they give doesn't even make sense. They say she's different from other fiends because she remembers what she was like as a mortal. But as a mortal she was EVIL, which is why she became a fiend in the first place.
>>46372740
Paladin of Iomedae, she had an exceptional bust that only came out during the rare social event, and was more to surprise the players than titillation.
The art I had to use for her was certainly titillating, though!
>>46372886
Not so much "changes who they are" as "entirely different thing". If you have absolutely nothing in common with the new "you", are you the same person?
>>46372896
Modrons are ridiculous for an entirely other set of reasons.
>>46372883
And it was stupid waifufaggotry then too.
>>46372546
hey mates, recommend me some creatures that'd live in "corrupted" areas, daemons and other such horrors. i already have qlippoths written down, but i could use some more.
>>46372936
>The art I had to use for her was certainly titillating, though!
Go on.
>>46372938
Also consider that fiends are fiends (in Pathfinder at least) because they're being punished for the evil they did in life. Therefore, even if redeeming a fiend is possible, it's interfering with cosmic justice by letting someone get away with evil. To save a damned soul from getting what it deserves, you have to damn yourself in its place.
What music would you play to best inspire the image of each Golarion nation?
Here's mine for Nidal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2hhqWzIwU8
>>46372951
Everyone expects corrupted beings in such areas.
Everyone expects demons and mutated undead and fiendish dire animals who now live only for the blood of... blah blah blah
What they expect less are things who never so much as *noticed* the corruption. Not because they're holy or whatnot, but because they *can't*.
Like robots.
But I guess if you really wanna go the traditional way, consider used-to-be-people now fused/trapped in/with their armor. Like haunted armors, infested terrans, beast-infected Taiidan multigun corvette, etc etc.
>>46372995
Where the fuck do you get that interpretation of Fiends? A lot of Fiends were never a mortal soul and none of the fiends existed at the dawn of time, they were all created afterwards (except the Qlippoths) and each has a specific purpose, NONE of which are punishment. The closest that come to this are Devils, but they are an example of superiority, not punishment.
>>46373075
Because he can't into christian mythology =/= every mythology.
>>46372546
Hey, type hierarchy fag here. Last thread I mentioned that after switching to unchained monster creation I dropped the unintuitive type hierarchy due to the headaches it causes.
Monsters are now assigned any and all types they would logically qualify for. Planetouched are humanoid/outsiders, dragons are dragon/magical beasts or dragon/humanoids, etc.
There is one other change I would make: rename the outsider type to "spirit" because that is a more accurate descriptor of its usage. The native subtype is dropped because spirits may be native to any plane including the material, while the whatevertouched are mortals with spirit ancestry.
Advice and critique?
>>46373074
Tank crew all fused together into one eternally pained mass to their tank, chaos-defiler style?
Although that would be the fiend version. I do recognize the Multi-Gun corvette there... beast was goddamn biohorror.
>>46373106
so...do the rules for targeting creatures/immunities/whatever carry over?
>>46373075
>>46373096
That's not how Christian mythology works. Demons and damned souls are distinctly different in that, with no overlap. However, some pathfinder fiends, and this succubus in particular, are indeed damned souls, which means that un-damning them amounts to excusing them of whatever they did.
Which small-sized race makes the bestshortstacks?
>>46373154
>which means that un-damning them amounts to excusing them of whatever they did.
or maybe "yea, maybe one thousand years of being dammed is enough for being a cheating whore in real life. you can be happy now."
>>46373074
Yeah, we're doing a bit more of a classical style with this. post magical half-apocalypse, a bunch of the world is corrupted by "the void" (basically just evil and corruption and shit, catch-all term), but all the good shit is in there. i quite like the haunted armors and infections and that, thoguh. got any more ideas?
>>46372995
>Also consider that fiends are fiends (in Pathfinder at least) because they're being punished for the evil they did in life.
Rewarded, you mean. Why would evil gods choose to punish their followers?
>>46372958
This is what I used when we were forced to dress up for a nobleman's party.
>>46372902
Yes. Which is why Desna had to mindrape her into feeling guilty.
>>46373190
They reward the ones who are actually useful to them.
>>46373154
What? But that doesn't make the damnation a punishment. Where are you getting this idea becoming a demon is always a punishment?
>>46373154
Early on, probably.
If you've gone past lemure or whatever the lowest stage is though, that means you've fully embraced your new role and aligment. At that point there's no excusing; you're a demon through and through. You're utterly INTO this shit now, and body, mind and soul are ALL made of the chaotic stuff of Evil
>>46373165
Halflings or Gnomes.
>>46373066
That's not what it says in her writeup, though. All it says is that Desna gave her back her mortal memories. Maybe she also specifically forced her to feel bad about them, but it doesn't say. It would make sense, though, since she didn't feel bad enough about them in life to stop being an evil shit before she died.
>>46373020
I AM A REAL ANDOOOOREN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN
I AM A REAL ANDOOOOREN
FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE
>>46373235
>All it says is that Desna gave her back her mortal memories
demons don't really have "mortal memories" any more than I have memories of being a sperm.
They just can't out and say "yea mind rape is ok if you use it to make evil things good".
>>46373221
If you can change early on then you can change later, especially with a deity's intervention.
>>46373150
Creatures are vulnerable to and may benefit from any effect that targets at least one of their types. E.g. an aasimar may be affected by both charm person and planar binding, while a centaur may be affected by charm person. The original system is arbitrary and unintuitive.
>>46373201
>>46373280
Which raises the question - is an alignment change genuine if it's forced? If you're made good by alchemy or a cursed helmet or a god's whimsy, do you still go to the lower planes when you die? That would be pretty funny if you did.
>>46373195
Dude,nice.
>>46373377
Taking it for my upcoming Cohort
>>46373280
>>46373235
>Instead, she reached into Arueshalae's soul and quickened her larval core. Memories of her mortal life flooded back at once, memories of dreams that never came true. Desna whispered in her ear: "Even demons can dream."
>When Arueshalae woke, she was filled with memories and regret, and immediately set about to atone for her very existence. The brush with Desna awoke within her both mythic potential and a great shame.
>filled with memories and regret
>brush with Desna awoke a great shame
>reached into her soul and quickened her larval core
>dreams that she'd had but never came true
Perhaps she was never SUPER evil as a mortal, but she definitely had Desna mindfuck her into guilt. Or maybe soulfuck her into guilt, since that's where she went meddling.
>>46373372
It can be, it depends on what you mean by genuine. Are you acting genuine if you're brainwashed, because now you truly believe that what you're doing is right, even if it's counter to your prior beliefs?
>>46373280
Clearly you're right, this is a conspiracy by paizo who put misinformation in the text to trick us.
Seriously you are arguing with the actual canon text as if it's possible for it to be wrong.
>>46373419
Genuine in the sense that it affects which afterlife you get.
>>46373180
look at the 40k demon engines; vehicles that have - over thousands of years at least - slowly been twisted and corrupted until the vehicle itself is a demon, and sometimes what was once its occupants are now a raging demonic core granting it an even greater amount of boundless hatred.
There's also Anthraxians (see 'hackmaster'); things that still look, *AND ARE* innocent and often helpless. Things you want to save.
They just happen to be covered in whatever nasty is down there though, and so to save them or take them with you is second only to swimming in the stuff.
Then of course there's experiments and prototypes. Because all things have potential in them, even the worst of evils. No one - not even most crazies - would touch stuff that's *absolutely* *unstoppably* bad-end. But that's the thing with corruption. It's CORRUPTION, not a fucking singularity. It's something that COULD be used for good, or for non-infectious destruction or whatever other goals one may have.
That means somewhere out there there's people who look at whatever the fuck's down there and think "but what if we could harness it for X"?
The failures who underestimated it are everywhere, sure, but they're just the usual basic crap you encounter and expect.
No, what's really, really scary is when they actually succeed. Now there's something fully sapient, fully capable, NOT at all suffering from the usual 'corruption, capable of completely utilizing the potential of whatever energies or matter were down there (think metroid Omega Pirates).
Of course, It's just data indicating the thing successfully surfaced as every test was green. In fact tests went so well those who created it may not even have been killed by some escape...
It won't succumb or anything to what it wields now.
>Those in its line of fire aren't so lucky though
>>46373372
Ask the guy who invented this:
>CHANGE ALIGNMENT, GREATER
>Prerequisites: Alchemist 20, change alignment discovery, infusion discovery
>Benefits: The effects of the alchemist's change alignment infusion become permanent and can only be reversed by a wish or miracle. A permanent, forced change of alignment may be devastating, and some believe it is little better than zealous slavery or mind control. Others consider a good alignment brought about by any means but purity of heart an affront to freedom. This discovery remains controversial at best.
It's from the book for good aligned characters, meant for being taken by good alchemists.
>>46373430
Well doing evil acts while dominated still counts as evil for you, I believe, so it would affect which afterlife you went to.
>>46373280
They so want to say it though.
But when you're brute-force despoiling the very core of someone's existence to make it fit what you like more, there's just no way you can stand there and claim that without backlash.
It's the worst thing you can do to anyone, and even when someone might deserve it.... It's far from a good act.
>>46373433
That just says that it's an open question in the game world and characters disagree about the ethics of it. That isn't evidence one way or the other.
>>46373433
Isn't that saying that it's very controversial, and definitely not considered good by all. It pretty much says "Ask your dm"
>>46373468
>>46373280
They come close, yes. But even a godly powered despoiling of somebody's existence only got her to Neutral, and she kept the Evil subtype.
Can the faggot screaming about an old as Methuselah idea that redeemed evil creatures shut up?
You are literally yelling that the people who made the setting are wrong because you say so.
>>46373433
It also mentions that relying on something like forced alignment change is NOT a good act.
>>46373466
It doesn't, though. Paladins have to get an atonement spell whenever they're forced to break their code of conduct because it's in their code of conduct, but everyone else is completely unaffected and nobody changes alignment from it.
>>46373424
read:
>>46373411
and tell me that isn't "yea I just raped your soul into being good. No problem right?"
>>46373195
>>46373377
I think I recognize that "character."It gets very lewd.
>>46373491
>>46373481
>>46373433
It stinks more of Law vs Chaos to me than anything for or against it being good. In Paizo's typical ham-handed fashion.
>muh freedom
So my character uses a two-handed firearm and one of his hands has died.
That hand is his dominant hand, and the GM is asking me if there are any rules for swapping to using his off-hand for a two-handed projectile weapon?
>>46373523
huh?
>>46373528
I mean, that's not just a paizo thing, that's been debated on the forums for quite a while. The good version of Mind Rape had the same discussions popping up. It's a valid discussion whether or not forcing something to change their alignment against their freedom is good.
>>46373521
Arueshalae wasn't raped into goodness, she was raped into neutrality and was still made of evil, she had to struggle the rest of her way on her own.
>>46373539
There are no such rules. All characters are mechanically assumed to be ambidextrous. Minus like one retarded feat.
>>46372938
Well you still have your memories and experiences and retain a lot of the physical attributes. So yes.
Do you think a Wizard named Jeff is not longer Jeff once he becomes a Lich?
Would a true neutral deity dedicated entirely towards taking in and counseling the souls of mortals forced to undertake massive alignment shifts to figure out what their actual alignment is make sense?
Like, the god of shrinks or something
>>46373551
We've finally found the answer to the question. Turns out that it was the gods all along.
As a proud Golemancer Wizard, I was trying to figure out something.
How do I damage Golem Swarms, like the ones that a Junk Golem can become?
They're immune to magic/psionics, and they're immune to physical weapon damage. Is there something I'm missing?
>>46373020
Nex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oe7Q8OCm5I
>>46373591
Or they might have the no-alignment power, and get their shits and giggles from bouncing people back and forth from good to evil and lawful to chaotic on alternating days.
>>46373571
Is that feat the Two Weapon Fighting tree?
>>46373540
The character looks very similar to an elf in some other art I've seen; same eyes, same facial structure, same hair color/style, hell even the same boobssize at least, the other art was a little less clothed.
>>46373020
>>46373257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i426pbQJZ_g
Get on my level, or hate freedom.
>>46373665
Don't believe you. Prove itwith a link.
>>46373591
Shrinks are more focused on helping their patients get along in everyday life, even if that means being "inauthentic." A true god of authenticity would encourage villainy at least as often as heroism.
>>46373665
>http://gtun.deviantart.com/gallery/
>http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1793569
Doesn't look like the artist did any other pictures of that character...
>>46373763
Well damn, just a very similar looking Elf then.
>>46373689
Are you sure? It's really not safe for a blue board.You know what? Fine, don't open this link if you aren't interested in the contents, definitely NSFW.http://i.imgur.com/dY5V42O.jpg
The last PC you playedor character you made if you've never playedgets teleported to Noiralog, Golarion's Bizarro world counterpart. Divine casters somehow maintain contact with their god, but appear in the middle of a temple dedicated to said god's Noiralog counterpart. Non-divine casters appear in the Noiralog counterpart to their hometown. What happens next?
Guy from last thread with an update on the Jade Regent situation; apparently the DM is really liking what he sees with Path of War, and is now going to suggest the other players look at it as well as green-light the classes.
This puts me in an awkward spot since I was originally going with a Golden Lion Warlord as per the suggestion last thread, but now I'm kind of thinking about going Zweihander Sentinel with Mithral Current for maximum Last Samurai... Which do y'all think will do better in Jade Regent? Any interesting swords we may run into?
I'd like to play a vampire, with lots of bats
LOTS OF BATS
BATS EVERYWHERE
I WANT TO FUCKING BLEED BATS WHEN I'M SHANKED
>>46373834
Both. You have room for multiple disciplines, and Mithral Current and Golden Lion both use the Heavy Blades as a discipline weapon. My group is about half way through Night of Frozen Shadows, and it's been great going so far.
>>46373604
Re : Are golem swarms actually invincible to damage, or am I missing something critical here?
>>46373828
I doubt much would change for my character. He's not one for worshiping gods, and loves killing demons. So he'd probably pick up his Earthbreaker and get to work.
>>46373955
>>46373955
Alchemical weapons deal aoe damage and are not magical, I mean your gonna need ALOT of alchemist fire/acid to do anything, but it's doable.
>>46373828
My last character wasn't on Golarion and was Psionic. He is probably just confused.
>>46372546
>Unfortunately, until she's fully redeemed, passionate contact with a mortal results in energy drain, which complicates relationships significantly.
Is that true for all succubi - that the energy drain is involuntary, and can't be turned off? Seems like that could blow their cover, if someone were to steal a kiss in public and fall over dead.
>>46373955
Junk Golem becomes a Tiny Swarm so he takes half damage from weapons, not none.
What turns into a fine or diminutive golem swarm?
>>46374078
More likely just for that special snowflake
>>46373020
For Milani followers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1vRAA21To
>>46374078
>>46374131
>Energy Drain (Su) A succubus drains energy from a mortal she lures into an act of passion, such as a kiss.
There's no 'can' or 'may' in there, so yeah, it pretty much just happens.
Presumably if someone tried to kiss the standard disguised succubutt in public, she'd just dodge and play up the blushing maiden.
>>46374078
How often does that happen? If they're at the point where they can exchange PDA with their victim, they could have sealed the deal and sucked their soul out long ago, so that will never actually come up.
Succubi generally don't have a desire for "passionate contact" except for the energy drain that comes with it. They go through the motions of being sexually alluring because that's the easiest way to secure a victim - to appear to be what you want and then trick you into thinking that someone would want you back.
>>46374303
>jokingly roll an attack to land a kissu on the cute peasant girl
>GM glances at something behind the screen and declares it a miss
>>46374303
That reminds me, is there any ruling on disguising the effects of energy drain? As it stands, succubi can't stealthy drain anything with more than 1 HD.
>>46374513
It's an Su ability, so it won't be obvious that the succubus is doing it to anyone but the person feeling the effects.
Said person is getting hit with suggestion at the same time, so if they fail that Will save, it isn't gonna matter what they think.
>>46374557
And that suggestion is to go for another act of passion, so attempting a quick peck may quickly result in a withered corpse hitting the ground and a succubus with her cover blown.
>>46374617
The suggestion is "to accept another act of passion from the succubus", not to initiate one. They won't resist the succubus going in for another smooch at any time in the next 12 hours, but they aren't gonna fall all over her if she decides to back it off or move somewhere more private.
>>46374557
Then a succubus's suggestion overrides the unreasonable/harmful clause of compulsion effects. I guess that's fair.
>>46374617
What is it with you and cover? A succubus doesn't need to maintain a cover identity for a long-term relationship. She's not trying to get her mark to buy her a house or anything, she just wants to take him somewhere private the night they meet and kiss him to death.
>>46372574
Though, that dream redemption story is terrible.
>>46372877
>And she's also Evil. She cannot be anything other than Chaotic and Evil without essentially unmaking her.
That just refers to subtypes.
You retain the [Chaotic] and [Evil] subtypes, but your actual alignment can differ - all it means is that you get screwed by every FOO spell.
>>46374710
I mean, unless she's got the foresight to want to set herself up in mortal society for easier access to victims but again they ARE essentially chaotic.
>>46374722
>tfw there's only one succubus in WotR who tries to entice and stimulate her target's mind more than his body
Why aren't there more succubi that do this? Engage in intellectual conversation and fascinate them that way?
How would you RP a soulless clone created by technology after the true soul is out of the running? They've got -2 to Charisma, which is relatively subtle as changes go, but also no ability to advance or innovate.
Now what if the original was still around, but had transcended to a psychic AI? Would the clone be likely to rebel, or would that be too much like a new idea for it to manage?My Iron Gods campaign is gonna go some real weird places by the end. Gotta keep those metagaming shits I call players on their toes.
>>46374750
I know they stripped it out of pathfinder for waifufaggotry reasons, but outsiders used to have the 'Always' (X alignment) tag as opposed to 'Usually' because they were literally created to be evil as part of their creation. Literally shaped from Evil and Chaos itself.
>>46374710
Because no succubus would ever want to set herself up in a position of power to assure a steady supply of victims or work to corrupt an entire nation, right?
>>46374679
And if someone makes the save, they know their mind got messed with when they kissed her, so another reason for the kisser to get suspicious.
>>46374791
>for waifufaggotry reasons
Or maybe because moral absolutes are retarded in a system where magic is real and can override any rule?
>>46374755
They can change their appearance. One could be a different streetwalker every night, or even impersonate someone who already has an established reputation. No need to build up a whole new reputation.
>>46374303
Actually, the answer might be right there. It says "a mortal SHE LURES into an act of passion", so maybe it only works when the succubus initiates. Of course, then you have to justify why Arueshalae doesn't let a potential lover take the lead, but that could just be that she's too nervous about what could happen in a moment of passion.
>>46374756
It depends on who their target is.
>>46374379
>the party hires someone to kiss all the girls they encounter, like a food taster checking for poison
>>46374825
No, only for waifufaggotry reasons. When was the last time you heard talk of a redeemed Balor or Vrock? It's Succubi and Mariliths only.
Plus, Smite Evil and other effects that directly target alignment, plus gods that are literally purely of one alignment still exist.
>>46374835
>you're required to be absolutely submissive at all times during sex
>if you slip up and make a move of your own for even an instant, your lover is struck with crippling soul injuries and possibly killed
>>46374851
>A PC marries a succubus
>Some douchebag ruler tries to call on Lord's Privilege
>PC and succubus exchange a nod and a wink
The quest to assassinate the local lord went easier than expected.
>>46374876
>>46374835
>Of course, then you have to justify why Arueshalae doesn't let a potential lover take the lead, but that could just be that she's too nervous about what could happen in a moment of passion.
It's been what, fifty years since she's had a lover? She's probably got the aches something fierce, which is why if a lover starts to put the moves on her and they take it to the bedroom there's the risk she won't be able to control herself.
I think that's why she just doesn't want sex until full redemption.
>>46374820
A steady supply of idiots who want sex will never be in doubt.
>>46374913
Or it could be because she's asexual, as succubi are sometimes interpreted to be. She doesn't want sex as an act in itself; her urge to touch others was bound up with her urge to kill others, and that's gone now. She would only have sex because she knows it's the price to be paid if she wants to have companionship in her life.
>>46373828
>Andoren Brawler, sees Kurgess as a patron
Finds himself running away to Xalihec.
>Dhampir Inquisitor of Asmodeus
Experiences maximum confusion.Maybe enough to break the conditioning.
>Sylph Sorceress, begs Hsurha to have mercy on her upon death
Wonders what exactly happened to the River Kingdoms.
>Gnome Spiritualist, likes Gozreh
She DOESN'T get shipped off to Nidal this time.
>Rahadoumi Order of the First Law Cavalier
If he's ended up in /this/ nightmare, clearly the gods are more trouble than they're worth and Kalim Onaku was right all along.
>>46374927
True, but if you want more than one of them every once in a while, it pays to plan and make sure that no one will miss them/suspect you in the disappearances.
>>46372574
I like the idea of a redeemed succubus who seeks redemption for the pettiest of reasons.
Well, maybe not a succubus, but some other kind of fiend, that has placed themselves on the incredibly long anddifficult road towards redemption for an inherently evil being. Simply because someone told him/her that it was impossible for a fiend to be good, and being as impulsive and stubborn as a fiend, s/he immediately decided to prove that person wrong via any means necessary
>>46374913
Death Ward prevents energy drain. Find someone who can cast that (or get an item that imitates it) and practice safe sex.
>>46374982
Sounds like something a demon would do. A very prideful demon, anyway. They'd fail, or they'd 'succeed' only in the loosest way, but it could be interesting.
>>46374981
YOU ARE A SHAPESHIFTER
The person that people will suspect doesn't have to exist for more than one night. And even if people know that there's an evil shapeshifter on the loose, that won't stop them from fucking whores. People really do keep having unprotected sex with strangers during deadly STD outbreaks. They literally can't help it.
>>46374971
Good point, and while it says she's very open to having sex, her bio ties it deeply into love and affection more than the gross physical pleasure.
But would that make her asexual? Nothing says she doesn't enjoy the act of sex, she just wants to have sex with a person she cares about - in fact, note the passage here;
>"While Arueshalae desperately wants to love and be loved, she knows knows that if she ever again drains a soul to death, even in passion, she will be lost forever."
It's tying in her desire to be loved with passion and sex, and she's denying herself the opportunity to be loved because she knows it will develop into something intimate. You could argue that's just her knowing that's how relationships go, but that takes jumping through a few more mental hoops than "she wants to have sex with the person she loves, but can't due to her nega-lips."
>>46375018
I can imagine said demon continuously finding paladins in order to see whether or not he still "pings" as evil, then running to avoid getting smited
>>46373834
Never played Jade Regent but I would say.Take Bushi on top of your Zweihander Sentinel.
>>46375135
Seems like it would be more practical to just get an item that lets him cast Detect Evil or See Alignment.
>>46375207
Yes but that isn't as amusing
>>46375207
Never do what's practical when you could do what's funny.
>>46374868
If you could redeem a balor or vrock, what would it look like? If fallen angels tend to appear corrupted, would risen fiends look like angels?
>>46375207
>a demon thinking rationally
Probably more likely, but it's not as funny as a mental image.
>ten foot tall flaming horror surrounded by the wails of the damned steps forth from the shadows of the town square and the gathering of paladins all draw their swords.
>"You. Paladin. Am I evil?"
>"Of course, foul creature! Have at thee!"
>demon exits stage left, pursued by paladins and vowing to save more orphans
>>46375111
It would not be in her nature to enjoy sex. Her alignment change would not come with the mating instincts required to desire sex as an end in itself.
Think about it. In their natural state, succubi never, ever get past first base. They kiss you, they drain your energy until you die, and nothing else happens. They can flirt, but they would be predisposed to flirt with anyone and everyone who seemed to be interested in them, since the process of sexual selection isn't a factor here. In short, succubi don't fuck; they hunt.
>>46374913
>>46374876
>>46374984
Antimagic field would also block it, or just finding an redeemed undead to pair the redeemed succubi with. Or you know a construct. There are options.Dildo golem when?
>>46375254
Eventually some paladin somewhere down the line is going to pass a sense motive check to realize the demon seems sincere when he's shouting about various good deeds or whatever, and then buddy up to attempt to help him on his journey to redemption. I need to brush up on my paladin codes to figure out what deity that paladin would most likely worship, but I'm pretty sure Shelyn and Sarenrae both have paladin codes involving giving people evil chance at redemption.
Honestly, the more funny idea is an angel trying to do this with antipaladins. Good ole' Thean would be willing to help that outsider find the right path.
What's the best build to violently abuse the power of a Tuned Bowstring? In simple terms, an archer bard or skald with abilities whose balance depends on performance rounds being limited (and which don't take a standard every round, so I can keep twang-shooting).
>>46375247
If I had to describe what a risen Balor would look like, I imagine a hulking figure, maybe in gold or silver armor. It'd still have wings and they'd still be batlike since Erinyes still have bird wings. They wouldn't be beautiful, but they'd be less twisted and cruel-looking. Essentially, a celestial ogre with horns and wings, probably.
Vrocks are harder, but you could do the same thing that everyone does when making fallen angels in reverse and just change their color scheme and make them look less cruel and wicked. Make their beak less sharp, claws a bit less hooked, and generally look more noble.
>>46375295
Innacurate. They can breed with others of their own kind, usually incubi. They just stop short of killing their lovers (most of the time) and then spend the rest of the time torturing them. However it is unclear weather the resulting spawn are just the manifestation of mortal souls that were doomed to become succubi already or completely new damned souls from damned parents.
>>46375343
Well there is a pretty good archer bard archetype
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/arrowsong-minstrel-bard
>>46375295
So, what you're saying here is thatArueshalae might actually be awkward and inexperienced?
Memes aside, what you're saying really does make sense, however there's so much more going on in having sex that she doesn't necessarily have to be "into it" to enjoy it. Arueshalae can feel love, passion and intimacy, three things sex with a lover has a lot of.
>>46375247
A vrock would become a celestial chicken, and a balor would probably look something like this.
>>46375359
I'd imagine they'd be more owl or hawk like as opposed to being like vultures. Softer lines, but still predatory.
>>46375359
>Vrocks are harder, but you could do the same thing that everyone does when making fallen angels in reverse and just change their color scheme and make them look less cruel and wicked. Make their beak less sharp, claws a bit less hooked, and generally look more noble.
?
>>46375415
Isn't that the spirit of 'MURICA?
>>46375415
Give him a bird face and you're set, yeah.
>>46375389
This would also work. Hawk is probably closer to vulture than owl, though, so that might be better. Plus, hawks or eagles are pretty noble-looking birds.
>>46375427
Yes, the patron saint of Andoran is literally a Celestial Eagle-Man.
>>46375342
Well, it'd be an interesting party setup at least for a small party campaign. One player plays a demon that wants to redeem itself for selfish or non-selfish reasons, and one or two other people play clerics or paladins to make sure that the demon doesn't stray off the path/go berserk/reveal that it was a trick/cause way, way too much trouble.
>Sarenrae
That would probably work pretty good, what with her 'redemption' theme.
If I recall correctly, I recall one anon on /pfg/ once talked about how he played a redeemed Vrock who worshipped Dammerich. The part figured out what he was when they came across him performing his Obedience to Dammerich.
It was pretty based
>>46375447
Maybe Garuda are redeemed Vrocks?
>>46375389
>>46375447
Someone help explain grappling to me.
If a creature has 4 claw attacks, all that have grab on them, does the creature lose it's additional attacks once the grapple is initiated?
Further once grappled, can a creature use a bite attack without taking a -2 penalty since it isn't a "free hand"?
>>46372793
>Just because you're Evil doesn't mean you're evil
It absolutely does.
>>46374791
What? So Driders literally can't change alignment either? Or Undead? Or Mind Flayers?
You are talking out of your ass.
>>46375360
Incubi and succubi are not immune to each other's energy drain, so if they do voluntarily mate, they have to finish in less than 48 seconds or they'll kill each other.
>YFW your redeemed incubus husbando is chronically premature
>>46375628
Driders are the direct creations of an evil god. Yes, they can't change alignment.
Undead are created from pure negative energy, which is evil. Yes, they can't change alignment.
Mind Flayers aren't Always Lawful Evil, they're ALMOST Always Lawful Evil. They can change alignment, but since cannibalism is an evil act and they need to do it to survive it won't last long.
>>46375507
That sounds pretty good, all things considered. Do you have a screencap?
>>46375592
Well except for the Evil non-evil stuff.
>>46375635
Incubi in pathfinder don't have energy drain anon, unless he is critting her with his natural weapon he is going to be the one to die.
They are like spiders, the man dies to perpetuate the species.
>all of these fiends and other Evil creatures on the road to redemption
>eventually it's just easier to found a school/support group to help them work together towards becoming Good
Where do we put the building, /pfg/?
>>46375675
What if they are good and feast upon their evil brothers, killing something because it is evil and then eating it to survive is not inherently evil it could be firmly neutral or even good.
>>46375635
The description for energy drain says, "a succubus drains energy from a mortal she lures into an act of passion", so other immortals should be unaffected.
>>46375763
Holomog of course! so they also learn the enlighted ways of the holy matriachy and are not tainted by the corruptive influence of the oppressive y-chromosome.
>>46375763
The Eye of Abendego.
If they can find it they truly want it.
>>46375761
Which still means he has to finish in 48 seconds or less, and she has to be satisfied with that.
>>46375763
Lastwall
>>46375763
Maybe near that one Tiefling ghetto in Absolam. Magnimar is also a good choice, as would be Almas, or somewhere in Mendev
>>46375675
>can't change alignment
Do ho ho
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/discoveries/paizo---alchemist-discoveries/change-alignment-greater-su
>>46375788
Is Mortal actually defined anywhere or is it just anything that doesn't die of natural causes?
>>46375868
If you need the word mortal defined for you in an RPG, then you are the fucking issue that caused 3.5 and on.
>>46375860
I think I've already said Pathfinder abolished the "always" bit because >muh redeemed succubus waifu. You know, in >>46374791
>>46375787
It would not be a good act (could be a neutral act, though) and they would still be Evil since they are literally created from the essence of something that is evil.
>>46375111
>>46374971
Asexuality is not the same thing as aromantic; she has strong romantic desires, but has no impulse to have sex, necessarily.
>>46375860
I want to see one of those create undead alchemists make a horde of good aligned undead to terrorize people with.
>>46374791
At least since 3.0 Always never meant always
>Always: The creature is born with the indicated alignment. The creature may have a hereditary predisposition to the alignment or come from a plane that predetermines it. It is possible for individuals to change alignment, but such individuals are either unique or rare exceptions.
>>46375939
>Succubi don't have an impulse for sex
My animes and succubus folder suggest otherwise, anon.
>>46375940
Why would good aligned undead terrorize people?
>>46375675
>negative energy, which is evil.
That's wrong, though.
>>46375950
>3.0
>good in any way
It's just part of a host of changes foisted upon it.
>>46375989
Can't blame paizo when those have been the rules for at least 16 years.
>>46375972
Terrorize them with downright criminal sales on skin creams and hair ointments?
>>46375928
There are different interpretation of what mortal means, it is an entirely subjective term.
Is it something that has no maximum natural life span? Is it something that can not be killed? Is it something that is not from the prime material plane of existence?
If it is the first one there are a lot of immune things, if it is the second there is nothing immune to it, if it is the third there are a lot of things that are not immune to it. If it is the first and second that still leaves some things in a very gray area.
>>46375979
If you want to ignore that, feel free to make up whatever excuses you want. That's why undead are Evil, anon. If you're ignoring that then you're ignoring how undead work.
>>46375972
Because they are mindless and were told to do it by their controler.
>>46376001
Please, go and reread my post. Where do I mention Paizo?
Just because things changed for the worse in 3.PF doesn't mean that Paizo has ALL the blame.
>>46375989
3.0 was better than 3.5, or Pathfinder for that matter.
>>46376044
That's setting an awfully low bar, anon.
Plus, it still had gimmicky Haste bullshit and hours-long buffs for spellcasters.
So it got mentioned a thread or two ago, but how would one actually effectively be an ALL ENCHANTMENTS ALL THE TIME sorcerer? Kitsune with Arcane or Fey bloodline, FCB into enchantment DCs, Spell focus, and traiting for charm monster, are all fine and good, but what else can you even add to that? /Is/ there anything to add to that? Once you specialize that hard, what off-school spells can you even take that would still be useful? How "practical" would be be compared to a FULL BLASTING Draconic fireball sorcerer be, in terms of "can do their thing and be useful most of the time", especially inJade Regent?
Most importantly, how could youactually justify your actions to the rest of the party?
>>46376108
>Most importantly, how could you actually justify your actions to the rest of the party?
Is that even necessary with that type of build?
>>46376033
I didn't say you blamed paizo, I was pointing out how that's not paizo's fault. Always never meant always for this edition of the game.
>>46376108
You don't need to justify your actions to your permanently dominated servants.
>>46376184
>>46376243
I mean, the assumption is probably that you're not being a total asshole towards the rest of the party. Unless it's their magical realm to be permanently dominated by another PC, which is... Kiiiinda weird.
>>46376012
Spells that use negative energy are not evil. Negative energy plane is not evil aligned. Negative energy itself is not evil.
>>46376330
But has been interpreted that way by devs for multiple editions.
>>46376351
They can interpret it in any way they want, but the rules still don't describe negative energy as being evil.
>>46376322
Even if you're not dominating the rest of the party to force them to agree with you, why do you need to justify being useful? It's not like you're trying to justify being a monk.
Story/ThatGM(?) time.
So in my planescape game we've been dealing with politics on our 'home' plane, where dwarves rule the country we're in, with the bank being controlled by the LE God of Gold and Greed. The bank also had pseudo-control of the government as they held a monopoly over money-holding and handling.
The group essentially committed insurance fraud to create an opportunity to ruin the bank's reputation and destroy its powerbase. Now, my character is an extraplanar who dislikes the entire Dwarven culture, and is quite happy about the bank going away, and the dwarves presumably going back into their mountain halls, because now the more conservative and insular clans who had been suppressed by the bank can now take up seats in the council.
Win/win, right? Nope. In the eyes of the law, our group is owed hundreds of thousands of gold from what was 'stolen' from our insured bank vault. In the process of chasing out the priests and clerics from the bank building, we also decided to take what's ours from looting the bank's ornate building. In the haul was quite a collection of Elven statuary. My character, an elfaboo, wants to give them back to the Elven people who have become a oppressed minority after a war that banished the Elves from their homeland and split them up.
Our Goblin, being a aurophilic jerk, wanted to sell them. Naturally, the PCs had an IC quibbling match, which ultimately resolved in the statues being taken out of my character's share of the treasure.
Well, as we were managing inventory (in the middle of the bank) between our respective Bags of Holding, Council Guards marched in and snatched up part of the collection of statuary and carted it off. My PC explained that those statues belonged to her and that they needed to return them, only to get stonewalled to the point of enragement. In an attempt to steal them back (She's CG), she ran a-foul of a Kolyarut who's reaction was basically "STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM" (OK not really) cont/
>>46376044
>TWF needed a dozen feats to begin
nah
>>46376428
Come on man that extra attack at low levels when full attacking is so strong.
>>46376243
No need to justify, eh?
That's right. I'm Lawful Good
>>46376449
>tfw have four attacks at level 1
If I want large full attacks at low level natural attacks are simply better.
Does Combat Expertise work if you're fighting defensively?
>>46376592
>You can only choose to use this feat when you declare that you are making an attack or a full-attack action with a melee weapon.
So my character is NE cleric. I need to disguise this as well as possible that I'm actually a TN cleric. How do I do this? Misdirection is a possibility, but what others are there?
>>46376615
I'm thinking maybe starting as a human and getting two damnation feats level 1, Mask of Virtue and Fiendskin. Doing so means I can no save make myself detect within 1 step of my alignment.
Later I can "reform" and even become NG once I get a third damnation feat.
Anyone have any interesting builds for a skald?
>>46376397
The Kolyarut told her the same thing as the Dwarves. Since that the statues had been catalogued by the survey team, she'd have to essentially lodge and injunction at the pre-trial which would liquidate the bank's remaining assets to pay off its debts.
Having a decent K(Planes) score from being a planar wanderer before settling down with the group, she knows that Kolyarut are the deal-enforcers of the Lawful parts of the Wheel. Attempting to explain that these statues are part of restitution for an insurance policy that was (as far as anybody but the group knows) reneged upon by the bank, the Kolyarut was still intent on either forcing her to work through the immensely unfair to non-Dwarfs legal system or fuck off.
Now my character has had negative experiences with Dwarven bureaucracy before, compounded on being angry about getting stonewalled earlier she decides to just take the statues anyways, fuck the police. This starts a combat between myself (alone) versus 3 Wizards of atleast 13th level, 3 clerics of indeterminate level, 1 Kolyarut with Scarlet Throne maneuvers, and something like 12 guards, of indeterminate level and class. I assume fighters of around 13-14 since they were rolling about +20 to-hit.
I'm a level 14 Brutal Slayer Bushi Stalker.
I'm fucking mad.
>>46376397
That doesn't exactly sound like a Planescape setting.
To the Pathminder anon, mind putting archetypes like they are formatted in the pfsrd? putting up a full progression gets confusing when it comes to archetype stacking and shit. Also, Warlord starts with 2 gambits, not one.
>>46376826
Like I said, we're on our home plane at the moment taking care of some politics and tying up some character conflicts for other party members.
>>46376754
If DSP is allowed and you're playing in a group without initiators I really like a Skald with the new Battle Scion archetype(see UI spoilers in OP) taking the martial training feats and giving them to your allies. If your DM thinks POW is OP then basically explain to him that it is limited by raging song rounds/day, you don't get anything above 6th level maneuvers. The reason this is good is that the maneuvers are instantly readied for everyone and you can refresh everyone's maneuvers by stopping then restarting the performance in the same round.
>>46375868
in pathfinder, it is generally defined as something that has its own soul (as opposed to a soul either made from a mortal soul or spun from a primal force, like an elemental). So dragons are technically mortal even though they are extremely long lived.
In general, being a mortal means that you have a limited lifespan and the ability to choose your own destiny and purpose, which most immortal beings dont have the capacity to do without some kind of outside intervention (gods being the exception)
>>46376591
That was the reason for the sarcasm, since you know summoner can get that as a class feature on it's pet.
>>46375763
Honestly, part of me feels like Rahadoum might work. A place as metaphorically far from their bosses as possible.
>>46373828
>level 7 Internal Mindchemist who loves psychedelics
He would probably question reality, wondering if he took too much nightshade or is just in a bizarre dream.
>>46377271
Equally far from someone who can handle their bosses, in a place so adamantly against extraplanar influence they might kill the refugees on principle.
>>46377349
Is Rahadoum against extraplanars in general, or just gods? I thought it was just gods.
They could alternatively welcome them, as they'd welcome anyone trying to break away from the divine overlords.
>>46375972
An evil empire built a city on top of elven burial grounds.
Q:
Is there any website where you can download the pathfinder pawns without having to register?
>>46377662
You mean likethe pastebin?
>>46377662
A:
They're in the trove, linked in the pastebin in the OP.
>>46372546
Wait.
If Arueshalae is a thing... doesn't that mean there is a stat set for her? Curious because one of the people in my usual group has been pondering how to make a Succubus into a PC.
>>46377845
She's just a unique succubus, no more helpful to that end than any other succubus.
I think I saw a homebrew Succubus PC Race in the Trove. Might be worth a look.
>>46376827
..The whole point of the Pathminder project is to format various t3-archetyped versions as full classes, for maximum ease of use. If you want to use archetypes formatted as per the srd, uh.. USE THE SRD?
>>46377378
They're fanatics either way, they'd probably just assume all these unbound Outsiders were there to infringe on their freedoms and try to destroy/enslave them.
Yo. As promised, Besmara.
>>46372546
I have a little free time tonight. Do any DMs have any requests for low level, initiating NPCs to be used as mooks or challenging battles against their players?
>>46377845
>>46377878
Did you mean this one?
http://pastebin.com/YKvDBWnC
I don't think it's in the linkbin.
>>46377960
>summon sea monster
That's not too shabby. I think. Those monsters are decent, right? Whatever, it's cool.
>>46377989
Seems fair and decently designed. I'll go ahead and forward this to my friend. Thank you kindly anons.
>>46377768
>>46377772
Thanks.
>>46377992
So basically her Antipaladin code is "YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE, BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE, DO WHAT YOU WANT 'CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE, YOU ARE A PIRATE"
>>46377960
>dat qt
Besmara confirmed for ara~ara~ pirate captain
What I wouldn't give to be her cabin boy
>>46378034
Got a bit more about the church, although it's really just the kind of stuff you'd expect from a pirate honestly.
Why do all of the Deific Obedience benefits for the Inner Sea Faiths gods suck so much compared to the ones for the main pantheon? Like, Irori gives you +4 to all Knowledge checks.
>>46377980
But why a warlord and not a myrmidon?
>>46377325
OR MAYBE THIS IS REALITY, AND WHAT HE REMEMBERS ARE ONLY MEMORIES OF A DREAM?
CAN'T WAKE UP, CAN'T WAKE UP!
>>46378068
>>46378041
Like I said before, Besmara doubles down on the waifu here. Plus she's got some righteous boobage going.
>>46378101
For some reason a Charybdis that hates her guts is listed as an ally. I guess that works?
Also she has an animated ship as her herald. That's pretty cool.
Going to be playing my first gestalt game soon, gonna run through Council of Thieves alongside one other player. I've never made a gestalt character, so what are some decent combos? 25 point buy, everything from Paizo except any kind of occult class or archetype is allowed.
Next up is Gyronna, the Hag Queen.
>>46378196
Fucking managed to forget my image for that.
>>46377960
Naderi when?
>>46378219
Wasn't Baba Yaga supposed to be the queen of hags though? Guess this was the second best thing they could get when she didn't want to ascend.
>>46378250
Will you protect a changeling's smile to prevent her from becoming a tool of Gyronna?
>>46378096
I needed a class with more maneuvers available.
To maintain the WBL of an NPC, I didn't want to give him a shocking weapon, so I gave him the Elemental Flux stance and a strike to give electric melee attacks.
I also needed the Primal Warrior stance to give him a different feel when fighting him one on one against a PC. It also makes those combat maneuvers easier to perform.
>>46378250
There's actually a demon lord of hags, Mestama, who's way cooler than Gyronna because she has a demonic obedience that lets you become a ghost.
Also, the night hags have their own goddess because they're a bunch of hipster grannies.
>>46378279
See I dunno, does having the kid subtract enough waifu points that you wouldn't consider hitting that?
>>46378074
Who knows if it's actually intentional, but if it is, probably because Inner Sea Faiths is full of minor gods.
