Okay fine, so we can be magical girls.
But why Homura? Is she that iconic of a magical girl nowadays? Wouldn't other shows like Sailor Moon or Card Captor Sakura or even Princess Tutu be better known?
You'd have to ask the artist.
>>46370922
I think the idea is that Homura *isn't* iconic.
Just because Homura is popular here does not mean she's popular everywhere else - people know about Sailor Moon, but most casuals don't know about Homura.
>>46370922
Well fuck, Pathfinder's really gone to shit, hasn't it?
>>46370922
Is this something they published in an actual book, or is this some third-party garbage?
>>46370987
The APs have been on a downward spiral since Wrath of the Righteous, the fluff is still holding out with some quality releases like Inner Sea Races, and the mechanics have been taking a nosedive since Occult Adventures.
>>46371005
It's a leaked page from upcoming Ultimate Intrigue book
>>46371007
>Wrath of the Righteous
That's the one with the poo demon waifu and the goddess of justice and paladins assfucking the party like a CE shitbird if they disagree or don't play her convoluted game, right?
>>46371005
It's from Ultimate Intrigue, which also allows you play Batman as well as Magical Girls.
>>46370922
>Is she that iconic of a magical girl nowadays?
Probably, certainly for millenials.
>actual published works enabling and encouraging people to bring an anime archetype to the table of a sword and sorcery game
Top tier meme cancer shit. Disgusting. I bet them and all their blogger friends think they're being super fucking quirky
>>46370922
great, it's like a "how to get yourself banned from my LGS" trap
ever since the manager stopped stocking gook shit and banned anime the quality of clientele has increased now you don't get wannabe slants stinking the place up with jap slime
two bombs werent enough
>>46371126
You sound upset about people playing archetypes you don't like.
>>46371126
What is "The monk from AD&D back in 1974" for 2000, Jack?
>>46371221
The main character from Kung Fu, the American-made Western starring David Carradine?
>>46370922
>why Homura?
The artist felt Homura's uniform was easier to use compared to other serafuku, and mixed it up with Native American fashion.
He's disguising it for the purpose of a fantasy audience, they probably told him: "Even though it's from anime, don't draw it anime style", and came up with the baby jaguar as well.
As far as being the gateway drug for magical girl shows, I conted that Madoka is today what Sailor Moon was.
>>46371167
Go back to /pol/. Or just fuck off completely, whichever.
>>46371167
How does a person even get this mad? Must be exhausting to have your butt sting that bad constantly...
>>46371355
>I contend that Madoka is today what Sailor Moon was.
Not really? Madoka Magic wasn't targeted at the same kind of audience as sailor moon. Various precure incarnations are more like sailor moon than Madoka was. Not that it's not iconic, because I think it definitely is to many weebs, particularly younger ones.
>>46371452
How does a person become this much of a cuck? It must be exhausting letting yourself get that emasculated constantly...
>>46371167
Well you still go there, I'd say quality is low and sales will suffer.
>>46370922
>the pic
>the text
>the everything
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>>46371221
>What is "The Monk"
Something also banned from the table at D&D games that take themselves even remotely seriously
>>46370922
>tfw they choose Homura instead of Sakura
Clow Reed does not approve of this decision.
>>46371610
>playing D&D
>taking it seriously
>>46371635
You came to the wrong neighbourhood, motherfucker.
>>46371610
>D&D games that take themselves even remotely seriously
Sounds terrible. Who'd want to be a part of something like that?
>>46371476
>As far as being the gateway drug for magical girl shows
Your reading comprehension is showing.
>Madoka Magic wasn't targeted at the same kind of audience as sailor moon.
Here's what the creators said about their intended target audience:
>Atsuhiro Iwakami: The main target we had in mind was the general anime fan. That's what the director [Akiyuki Shinbo] and I discussed; it's why we used the romaji font and brought in [character designer] Ume Aoki. But after the show was broadcast, it felt like the viewership turned out to be broader than we had initially anticipated.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-07/interview-atsuhiro-iwakami
>>46371662
Down dirty bitches, becoming the witches...
I get what they're going for. The problem is that the only people who would find this amusing are people who want to play up how dissonant a magical girl in a standard D&DFinder game would be for laughs, but the only tables that would let this fly probably are already using a dozen different advanced dual classes and special races which means the novelty of the magical child is lost amidst a group that's already full of weird characters and concepts.
For everyone else, the "it's a D&D magical girl" gag would get old after maybe three sessions, tops.
>>46371673
>>46371657
>lol serious who would ever do that
Enjoy your "wacky" "hijinks," cringelords
>>46370922
>>46371355
Could be that she's just the one magical girl in top google results that isn't pink or otherwise pastel coloured.
>>46371732
Anon, what they're going for is "whatever you name, Pathfinder can do it". They want to hold monopoly on the player base by exploiting their recognizable brand name, and they will do dumb shit for it.
So now when an average grognard wants to play a magical girl campaign, instead of realizing that Pathfinder is completely unsuitable for it, and trying something different like, I dunno, GURPS, Mutants and Masterminds, even fucking Magical Burst, they will instead say that "look! Pathfinder has magical girl official class! that means that we can play a Patfinder magical girl campaign!", and perpetuate the problem of ignorance and unwillingness to branch out and try anything else.
THAT is the problem.
Why not make a more general "transformation hero" class that could serve to represent sentai or superhero types, as well as magical girls?
>>46371741
Enjoy your 2dark4me brood fest, edgelord
>>46371722
Grindin' up and down 'cause they grantin' all my wishes
>>46371774
That's what Vigilante is.
>>46371028
>Batman
What class?
>>46371774
It does. That's literally the point of the class. Magical Child is just one archetype.
Its full of fiddly bits to be different costumed or transforming heroes. Some with magic some without.
>>46371732
You could have an all magical girl campaign and fluff the setting to fit.
Hell you could even have a campaign set in Gotham City featuring both batman and magical girl. Batman is after basically a magical girl with "money" as his special power.
>>46371789
Vigilante. The magical girl is an archetype.
>>46370922
Madoka Magica is arguably the most famous mahou shoujo series besides sailor moon.
>>46370987
>Implying it ever was good
>>46371702
The point: Sailor moon isn't a gateway to magical girl anime, it's a full-blown, targeted at young girls magical girl series.
>>46371774
>sentai
So the Synthesist?
Although I guess that's mostly just the Kamen Rider/Iron Man thing.
>>46371801
Yeah, but as >>46371765 said there are better systems for it.
Paizo needs to stick to "medieval wizards, shitty fetishes and inconsistent setting details" where their niche lies.
>>46371662
I can't stop laughing at this picture.
Send help.
i wanna be that mesmerist archtype that launches his own eyeballs out at you
>>46371966
Kay.
What's a mesmerist again?
>>46370987
>a rip-off of D&D 3.X
>"going" to shit
It was already shit from its inception.
>>46371126
>Pathfinder
>sword and sorcery
It's capeshit with a medieval veneer.
>>46370922
Why are they making a character concept into a class? That's not really how this is supposed to work.
>>46371926
Megucas in fact get up to all sort of wacky hijinks when they're not busy suffering.
>>46372103
3.x is all about useless bloat.
>>46370922
It's just a reference.
>>46372026
an occult class
>>46372103
This is an archetype, not the full class.
>>46371662
The real laugh is that Sakura is the strongest person there.
That girl is far more powerful then one might think.
>>46372589
>stronger than GOD
>>46371452
im sorry are you one of the junior high faglords who used to play yugioh or whatever shitty weeb game there
sucks to be you, go have your little yiff meets with your love pilows elsewhere
>>46370922
So I'm the only one who doesn't see any resemblence then? Like, she has an argyle pattern on her tights and dark hair. Big whoop. Not sure why people are acting like it's literally Homura or something.
>>46373550
The designer literally mentioned basing the art on Homura.
>>46373581
Be that as it may, you need to be stretching to see it in the end product, at least for me. Tights are the only real tip-off.
That and... I mean, she's smiling. Like full-on grin smiling. That alone kills any chance of recognising it as a meguca.
>>46373550
Thank you. I read all of the stupid text thinking there was an obvious reference or ability in there to explain why people were saying it is Homura.
>>46371610
fullandutterretardation.png.ogg.exe
Right here folks!
>>46372167
They need to do an out of place comedy spinoff for the sake of it.
A lot of serious shows do this and its great.
>>46373630
You're dumb, sorry.
>using anything outside of core
I sincerely hope nobody's going to play this. Pathfinder was shit to begin with, but now it's jumped even further over the shark.
>>46373630
It's the same tights, same skirt, similar shirt, similar collar.
>>46373630
are you retarded?
>>46373630
You are dumb.
I wasted 15 minutes of my life because of your dumbness. Enjoy.
>>46375543
Dude. I applaud your dedication.
Shame the class seems kinda weak.
>>46375650
It honestly seems like something you'd dip into for flavor.
>>46375650
Needs the Matrix soundtrack.
>>46375607
If I had a nickel for every time I proved someone wrong on the Internet, I would be out on the streets, lying in a dumpster and eating my own leg.
>>46375543
I still don't see it, faggot.
Why is this a motherfucking shitty pet class?
>>46375315
Same tights, different skirt, different shirt, mildly similar collar. Again, would not have seen it if people didn't point it out.
>>46375543
If anything, that just makes it clear how many differences there actually are, especially given you literally felt the need to 'cheat' with the overlay.
You've kind of proven my point. The similarities are there, but not so myriad as to justify all this IT'S LITERALLY HOMURA stuff people've been saying.
>>46375997
>>46375852
Anon, holy shit, are you blind in both eyes?
Sure, there ARE some variations. But the stylistics are exactly the same.
"Outer shirt, inner skirt", the form and cut of the shirt, the form of the bowtie, pleated miniskirt with stripes - literally everything that actually matters.
The only things that are different is the slightly different color scheme, the more prominent argyle detail on the paintjob and that the forward cut features not one rhombus cut, but two.
If you can't see past the color scheme differences, then you might have zero fashion sense or brain problems or both of the above.
I refuse to believe that someone can be this stupid, so the only other conclusion is that you're trolling. So fuck off, mate.
>>46371489
>>46372814
But what is it LIKE to be so mad? I want to know?
Why not just buy Sleeves of Many Garments for 200 gp?
>>46376183
Nobody is saying they're not similar and it's clearly based on her. But again, saying IT'S LITERALLY HER would be stupid if the only difference was a single thing.
Sorry if I riled you up, not my intention. And I did giggle at your eating your own leg comment.
>>46371789
>Rule 63 Justice League
>Wonder Man still has the "WW"
It's the little things that bother me.
>>46370922
Why is she holding a dragon dildo in her hand?
>>46378459
Because Homura is a flaming homosexual.
>>46372589
This
>>46370922
So can you build He-Man with this class?
>>46378230
He's the famous super composer Wonder Wagner.
>>46375796
>not Equilibrium
>>46380711
Fuck
>>46371167
>this is how I wish my world worked
>i'm actually a pedo who's ashamed of loving mahoshoujo
Come out of the closet man.
>>46371007
>Iron Gods
Literally the best AP with worst supplement
>>46370922
>>46371765
Yes, because all magical girls hang back and buff their shapeshifting familiar to do the fighting for them.
Wait, no they don't.
Wait, the target audience doesn't care. The target audience is
>Want to play FATE?
>Does it have a magical girl class?
>Huh? No, it's not a class-based g-
>Then it's stupid. I'm not playing it.
>>46375796
>Implying it's anywhere near based Kajiura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZahU3MsSzlQ
>>46378230
He's the Womanizing Wanderer
>>46380969
I loved that movie but the hallway shootout in Matrix is more iconic.
Although I guess the final duel in Equilibrium is a better fit for the actual visuals.
>>46371355
Actually, Madoka Magica makes a TERRIBLE gateway drug to the magical girl genre since it's such an iconic deconstruction of it. You literally cannot appreciate Madoka Magica for the story it is without having a great deal of previous experience with the genre. You may like the pretty fights and all but you'd have no idea why it was so revolutionary for its time (well, Princess Tutu did it before, but you know what they say - being the revolutionary doesn't take being the first, it takes being the first popular).
>>46388315
Before I had my sister watch Madoka Magica (my sister and I have this arrangement where if either of us finds a good anime, we show it to the other), I first made sure she's watched at least a dozen or so episodes of Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura and Tokyo Mew Mew. That's about the level of experience you need with mahou shoujo in order to have internalized the genre conventions to the point that watching Mami getting her head bitten off in the third episode will shock the pants off of you. A big part of the reason Madoka kept people at the edge of their seats like it did was that it pulled the rug from underneath fans of a genre that's otherwise notorious for sticking to its core principles. It's the same reason Evangelion became so popular twenty years ago: it took the, until then, very formulaic super robot genre and turned it on its head with its fucked up protagonists, dark plot, massive collateral damage causing battles, terrifying opponents, etc.
>>46388315
I dispute that. Madoka works on a wide range of audience on many different levels and I would not hesitate recommending to someone who's never seen anime before. If fact I did exactly this with a gaming group when we had a night ruined by no show and they all greatly enjoyed it despite never seen any other magical girl show.
>>46370922
Who the hell is Princess Tutu?
>>46388388
I'm not saying you can't like it without previous experience with the genre, I'm saying that it's such a good story that it'd be a shame to watch it for the first time without being able to truly appreciate it.
>>46388402
Madoka from the 80's starring a duck.
>>46372627
Than a fake and shitty god, yes.
Also yes
>>46370922
Madoka Magica is the best Magic Girl anime ever made, and Homura is an experienced magic girl in said anime.
>>46388373
I don't know if I should be jealous that you and your sister have a relationship based on anime or pity you that you both must be such fat, greasy fuzzbeards.
>>46388388
>>46388407
From what I noticed of my non-anime friends who watched Madoka, Mami's death did indeed seem not as shocking. But on the other hand Sayaka's transformation hit them much harder than expected. They explained it to me that it seemed as if they were setting up the story so Sayaka was going to tough her way through the whole zombie thing and pick herself up, they believed this all the way until she turned witch. It didn't occure to them that the plot will deliver another blow to her the way it did.
So yes I difinitely think PMMM has enough depth to be enjoyed on many many levels.
>>46388407
Dude tutu came out in the early 2000s.
>this entire thread
except the CCSfags, you guys are okay, don't go to Paizo headquarters tomorrow
>>46375650
Just like Homora
>>46388463
What excuse is there for the awful animation than?
>>46388315
I've never seen another magic girl anime. I dunno if I ever will, my understanding is that most are pretty shit.
You don't need to understand a work in the context of its genre if the work is strong and stands up on the merits of its own story. Madoka Magica is a beautiful story that can be appreciated without a shred of understanding that is profoundly different from a traditional magic girl anime.
>>46388627
As I said, you can ENJOY it, just not fully enjoy it. And it's a potentially enjoyable enough anime I think it's a real waste to not enjoy it fully. You can like Tarantino films a whole lot watching them by themselves, but you cannot appreciate the extent of their brilliance without also watching the innumerable films they're constantly referring, criticizing, emulating and subverting.
>>46370922
> Is she that iconic of a magical girl nowadays? Wouldn't other shows like Sailor Moon or Card Captor Sakura or even Princess Tutu be better known?
>being plagiarised by an artist for a Pathfinder supplement is the benchmark for "iconic"
No you fucking retard, there are two possibilities;
One
>Artists knows who Homura is, looks for an image, and decides to plagiarise the fuck out of it
Two
>Artists doesn't know who Homura is, looks for an image, and decides to plagiarise the fuck out of it
That's literally it, you just wanted to start some /a/ tier shitstorm completely unrelated to /tg/
Your main matter of discussion was "who is the most iconic magical girl", not even discussing it's possible /tg/ uses in anyway, just fucking flinging shit around
Why is the magical girl a pet-buffing class?
>>46372589
That.
Sakura is a sweet girl. She's also a magical powerhouse that is canonically the strongest magician of her universe, just a little short of reality warping omnipotence.
People tried to stat her in M&M or the Hero system. Even with a pessimistic interpretation of her power, she still tends to explode the point caps for a character.
>>46388736
I haven't been following on my CLAMP the past decade or so, but isn't Clow Reed the most powerful magician in the universe? "I accidentally the cosmos by making a subconscious wish" powerful?
>>46388761
Clow Reed doesn't exist anymore. Sakura is the heir of his magic, and explicitly more powerful than him in the manga.
>>46388315
>deconstruction
kill yourself back to whatever shithole you crawled out of
>>46389701
>We must stick to Derrida's terminology, even though the words have evolved to have a separate meaning in context which is widely understood and accepted by everyone in the discussion!
>>46388735
I have no clue.
There is all of ONE Magical Girl I can think of that actually works like it. Caro Ru Lushe, from Nanoha.
Even then, she'd be better off as a normal Summoner as Magical Child doesn't really let you go with 'Dragon' too easily (It's dragon options are much better off clawing things than fireballing), while a normal summoner can make a Dragon summon pretty easily.
>>46388791
Clow "Made CLAMP multiverse what currently is" Reed
Clow "Blown Aizen out of the water" Reed
Clow "My death sets off my ridiculously complicated plan that proceeds without a hitch" Reed
Clow "More prepared than both Batman and Xanatos" Reed
>>46380704
Not a very good one, since the abilities are all about casting spells and buffing your pet (for some reason; I'm hardly the expert on magical girls, but I can't really think of any anime where they primarily fight by using their pets/mascot characters), rather than hitting things with a sword and running around shirtless.
You could probably take the transformation mechanic and apply it to a melee class to create a homebrew He-Man class.
If I were to be a Magical Girl, I'd probably go with something like Nanoha.
Starlight. Breaker. Everything.
>>46389910
If I were to be a Magical Girl, I would use music to activate my magic, and my magical focus would be an MP3 player.
Fuck bards who still use their instruments live, and hope to achieve the same level of effectiveness and versatility as people who prepare their spells, refusing the wonders of technomancy.
Live bards are to record bards what sorcerers are to wizards - inferior.
>>46390153
>If I were to be a Magical Girl, I would use music to activate my magic
Determination to fist?
>>46388735
Is it the only class option or just a suboption?
>>46390956
"Magical Child" IS the suboption. An archetype for the Vigilante, to be precise.
Fuck if I know what the class features actually have to do with being a Mahou Shoujo, though. What magical girl familiars are there even out there that actually fight? Usually they're more like, say, the Witch's familiar - a supernatural mentor, if anything.
>>46388373
> It's the same reason Evangelion became so popular twenty years ago: it took the, until then, very formulaic super robot genre and turned it on its head with its fucked up protagonists, dark plot, massive collateral damage causing battles, terrifying opponents, etc.
You realise that Mazinger Z was built by an amoral madman to turn his grandson into "a god or a devil, whichever he chooses", and the pilot regularly killed people by accident because he couldn't control its power?
You realise that Asuka's personality is copy-pasted from the pilot of Great Mazinger?
You realise that Getter Robo is secretly an eldritch abomination which brainwashes its pilots into cultists and eventually consumes the entire galaxy into itself?
>>46389770
Caro also doesn't have a secret identity or social powers. She's part of a counter-terrorism unit, and lives on-base.
>>46389782
Yes. This is manga canon. The only thing differing between her and Clow Reed is that she has better control on her powers, and he has more knowledge of how to do stuff.
Even in the anime canon, she's still a mighty powerful sorceress.
In Tsubasa, it is implied she is the only one to be the equal to the dimensional witch, and she pisses her off mightily for several reason (she is the heiress of Clow Reed, for one). CCS Sakura basically throws her own keikaku around very, very subtly in Tsubasa, and wins it, for a given value of win. Tsubasa is... complicated.
This is my speculation, but CCS Sakura and Yuuko probably dislike each other based on on personality alone. CCS Sakura is sweet, Yuuko extremely manipulative. Yuuko loved Clow, CCS Sakura is the girl that received the powers of Clow.
>>46390944
Fisting with determination.
>>46391454
Why are you so lewd anon? That's hardly acceptable magical girl behaviour.
>>46391532
Oh, don't worry. My fisting always turns out violent.t. Tony
>>46370987
Pathfinder was only ever good compared to 3.x.
>>46391618
>Pathfinder was only ever good compared to 3.x core.
Fixed that for you.
Not to say that later 3E wasn't fucked as all hell as well, but it had a bunch of refining that Paizo threw out the window since it wasn't in the OGL.
At least third parties are doing a good job bringing over the decent late-3E stuff, although that's still not quite enough to make me like Pathfinder. Good on them, though.
>>46391618
>Pathfinder
>good compared to 3.x
Anon, what the fuck are you smoking?
Pathfinder perpetuated the problems of the 3.x and made them even worse than they were.
>>46371784
Bringing aces, like this game is poker
>>46391726
Banish all the witches; thank you based Madoka!
>>46390944
Symphogeah!?
>>46370922
For people with shit taste, certainly. Or at least, who aren't willing to watch the older shows because "the animation is bad". I'm actually disgusted that they didn't even go with Madoka over HomuHomu. At least Madoka is closer to an actual magical girl archetype. Homura is just a crazy lesbian with time powers and the ability to steal and learn how to use military equipment offscreen.
C'mon, Nanoha is still relevant in Japan, and so are the precures. And they even passed on Sakura. What the fuck man. This is not okay.
>>46391110
You're missing a key thing which is that most of those elements were missing from the animated series which aired on kids' morning TV. Then those kids grew up on a steady diet of dynamic super robot shows, and Evangelion came out and was shit but it was different so everything aped it for ten fucking years.
The original Getter Robo manga was missing most of the lovecraftian cosmic horror things too, but it had things like Ryoma killing dinosaurs with a razor-edged umbrella that Saotome made for some fucking reason, so it's pretty amazing.
>>46370922
She is best meguka and she did nothing wrong
>>46392388
Best meguka is Kyoko, I don't know how you managed to get that so utterly wrong. As for did nothing wrong, I seem to recall a fight with Mami over literally nothing in Rebellion. Starting fights for no reason is seen as a wrong.
>>46392748
I liked Sayaka the best in the series and Rebellion further cemented her position in my eyes. I like how her time out in heaven made her be able to see pass things in black and white so when she came back she was telling Homura not to be too hard on herself for wishing for a perfect dream world.
Too bad Homura didn't listen to her advice, just like how Sayaka wouldn't listen to Homura in previous lives.
>>46392748
This guy knows what's up.
>>46392748
>implying the fight wasn't because Mami a shit
>>46370922
