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How much antimatter do you really need, and is it a better idea than just making a nuclear weapon?
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>>46320953
>>46363968
>How much antimatter do you really need
Never enough.
>and is it a better idea than just making a nuclear weapon?
Depends on what you're doing. TacNukes have a lot of utility and are much less expensive, but Antimatter certainly has that extra kick.
Who in their right mind invented Space Roaches?
>>46364672
>Who in their right mind
Gonna stop you right there. You assume somebody needs to be in their right mind to make something.
>>46364672
Imagine you're in space, eating a sandwich. Crumbs get under the couch. Who is going to clean that up? Not you, that's for sure. If only there were some little organisms that scurried around eating stuff you dropped. Space roaches.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that there isn't a base biomorph, pod, or even synthmorph that's a humanoid with 4 arms? The Cybertaur is almost there, but not quite.
>>46363968
>how much antimatter do you need
Depends on your purpose, obviously, but anything larger than a few miligrams is an x-risk.
>is it a better idea than just making a nuclear weapon
The problem with nukes is that you render a big chunk of the affected area unsafe for habitation for a long time, which effects your own soldiers as much as it does the enemy, so it's not a great weapon for, say, invasion and colonisation. You also fuck up basically all the local infrastructure. However, this is actually less of a problem in space because space is already radioactive as fuck and any major military movement towards a population centre necessarily risks totally fucking the place up; venting atmosphere, damaging the superstructure etc etc. So, you know, why not nukes?
>>46364889
You would have a really hard time getting all of the appropriate muscles in there. Probably better off doing a total redesign.
Plus there's always neohominins and bouncers
>>46364927
>anything larger than a few miligrams is an x-risk.
I don't think you know what that word means
>>46364099
>TacNukes have a lot of utility
[citation needed]
>>46365612
They don't detonate if you drop them or they run out of batteries. Selectable yield is a possibility. May be able to select for yield vs enhanced radiation.
That's way more utility than antimatter.
>>46363968
>How much antimatter do you really need, and is it a better idea than just making a nuclear weapon?
Maxim 37. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'I need to reload'.
Help me out here, /epg/
I'm thinking of writing up a Nationalist Anarchist habitat, probably one based on life in an Eastern European Jewish village pre-WWII (but since in 10 AF everything's a mashup of whatever cultural relics anyone could find information on, so the Shtetl's just as much Seinfeld as it is Fiddler on the Roof).
What are some good details to toss in the background, IE kosher slaughterhouses where they kill and butcher cows according to halakha and then toss the hindquarters back in the vat to grow up a new animal, robots with the word of life written on their foreheads that do essential hab maintenance on the Sabbath, you get the idea.
>>46367628
Where it will be? Gravity is one of the most defining factors. A cow in a microgravity environment is very unwieldy.
>>46368083
>A cow in a microgravity environment is very unwieldy.
But kind of hilarious. As for other details, I guess a ban on neo-pig morphs?
How can one possibly permanently murder someone in the inner system and get away with it?
>>46368436
Infect them with an exsurgent virus.
>>46368436
It's certainly difficult. Chances are good that somebody is going to notice that somebody else is missing, and from there, there's a chance it can be traced back to you. Really, the question is - why are you wanting to murder someone permanently? If it's a premeditated thing, it's a means to an end, right? So what's the end?
Because chances are good you could get whatever it is you want out of murdering somebody without actually having to murder them, and without the logistical and legal headaches that come with trying to do it and not get caught.
>>46367628
Speaking as an ex Jew, this is pretty funny. Notes
For reform and reconstructionist, a fabbed steak is kosher, as no animals were involved in making it. This applies to bacon too.
But let's assume orthodox - is fabbed meat actual meat? If we can define it as meat, can it be kosher if it was not harvested from a living creature that meets halakha? Is a creature that grew up in a vat considered to have led a full life? If one grows a cow from portions of a cow, is it the same cow? If so, will the schochet have to label all the meat from the first slaughter as treif as the animal did not truly die?
Is resleeving without continuity permissible? Can the soul follow a stack or find the most-recently instantiated backup?
Expect debates, lots of them. If you have 2 Jews, you have 4 opinions: the ones they hold personally, the compromise they can agree on, and the compromise they hate.
Kippahs and tallis will abound.
Nobody really knows what the word of life looks like. But are AI run robots permissible to be a shabbos goy? Do robots fall under the halakah for slavery? Or are we mandated to sleeve AGI into the robots and pay them to perform tasks on shabbos?
Must we maintain a station on earth to determine when each month starts (and when to include Adar II?)? Or are mathematical simulations okay?
If I am in a time accelerated simulation, do I follow the internal calendar for shabbos and holy days? Or do I follow the calendar that exists outside the sim?
Do I face the station's west, earth's west, solar west, or galactic west? Or do I simply face in the general direction of Jerusalem?
Can I leave "next year in Jerusalem" out of the Seder if Jerusalem is still occupied by the TITANs?
See what happens when you ask a Jew these questions?
>>46368436
Scramble their brains and destroy their stack in a dead zone that you can get out of without being IDed. Then release a virus that hunts and destroys their backups. Darkcast out as soon as possible.
>>46368436
Get legal immunity from prosecution.
>>46368702
>ex Jew
Yeah, and I'm an ex asian. It doesn't work like this.
Otherwise, good points.
>>46369376
>10 AF
>not being transethnic
>>46369392
I don't know about you, but I'm transuranic.
>>46369414
And I'm plain old Caucasian. Is that too Mary Sue?
>>46369428
Yes. Report to your nearest psychosurgery center to undergo reconditioning. You'll come out as a happy, healthy, pangender neo-dolphinkin anarchist.
>>46369909
One question:is this Alpha Complex, Friend Computer?
>>46369937
Please stand still in your current location. A team of Troubleshooters have been dispatched to escort you to your nearest psychosurgery center. Evading Troubleshooters is treason. Treason is punishable by death.I can totally see an Alpha Center-ish hab somewhere in the inner system, as a hypercorp experiment testbed.
>>46369979
>Alpha Center
I hear you treasonously misnaming the Complex over there, citizen.
>>46369991
Please don't shoot me, I'm a Blue!
>>46369376
>Judaism is a race
Sure thing, anon
Indulging in a hobby is fine as long as you use those skills for useful work first, right?
>>46370318
No, fun is verboten.
>>46370337
Explain the Scum, then.
>>46370346
They are verboten.
>>46370350
Why is it verboten?
>>46370363
Because they do not work.
>>46370371
And what is not verboten?
>>46370395
Work.
>>46370409
And nothing else?
>>46370438
Neotenics.
>>46370475
So you admit that egos, including your own, are verboten.
>>46370502
No. Those are needed for work.
>>46370502
>>46370475
>>46370438
Get back to work, both of you three!
>>46370537
YES SIR RIGHT AWAY SIR PLEASE DON'T PROLONG MY INDENTURE SIR
>>46368436
If you can get their cortical you can use the psychosurgery rules from Transhuman to make them delete their own back-ups and never remember doing it.
After that you can have fun playing around with the last instance of your target before you terminate her.
>>46371561
If you have a good backup policy it may be difficult to get rid of the backups.
If they had backups on Earth during the Fall, no one may even know where all of the backups are, though of course making the most recent backup 10+ years old may be good enough for your purposes.
>>46371609
I don't think back-up providers in the Inner System can deny the right of the signatory ego to cancel their insurance. The psychosurgery means they will carry out the behavior any way they can, even if they have to blow up the back-up servers to do so.
If they have back-ups on Earth and in the highly improbable event that said back-up is instanced it is unlikely that it will have any idea why it even crossed you in the first place.
>>46371561
I'm equal parts disturbed and intrigued that you defaulted to female for this potential murder/torture/mindrape victim.
>>46371696
Although if you're planning to not get caught, you might need to have some plan to get their cortical stack - because while the back-up providers probably won't bad too many eyelids at someone wanting their back-up erased, their friends might wonder about it and look into why they decided to do it.
Again, really, the best thing to do is to look at what you seek to accomplish through murdering somebody, and see if there's another way to achieve those goals that's not going to get you in quite so much trouble.
>>46371696
>I don't think back-up providers in the Inner System can deny the right of the signatory ego to cancel their insurance
Not ultimately, but they can definitely suspect fraudulent activity and perform an investigation.
>>46371720
Bellissimo.
>>46370160
It is though
Do you think they just randomly decide at birth whether the child is Ashkenazi or Sephardi?
>>46371872
No, but there are other kinds of Jews, like the Beta Israel. And theoretically anyone could convert.
>>46368702
>Is a creature that grew up in a vat considered to have led a full life?
Put the cow in an accelerated simspace and simulate a full life equal to the approximate number of years it would have lived on a farm before being slaughtered.
t. Talmudic scholar
>>46371872
No, Hitler, Judaism is not a race. It is a belief system/culture which one can stop participating in.
Ashkenazi and sephardi are cultural/genetic groups. The cultural aspects of those are also things you can stop participating in.
I can't believe I have to explain this.
>>46371984
Also, you'll never have to worry about health, but does vat growth count as collecting blood in a vessal?
>>46372031
They are distinct races
They have distinct genetic markers common to members of the group
You're wrong about everything you just said
>>46363968
You want antimatter if you want nuclear scale destruction you can fit in a jacket pocket. There's a lower limit on how small you can make a critical piece of fissionable metal. The ones which can be critical at really small sizes are generally about as scary to carry as antimatter, and about as hard to make.
>>46364889
Flexbots can be humanoid with 4 arms :^)
>>46371696
In a world where people can make you do things you don't remember doing, someone serious about making sure their clients don't die forever is probably going to have a very robust system in place to prevent that kind of thing. It's not like unfriendly psychosurgery is a secret after all.
>>46372031
>>46373179
>They have distinct genetic markers common to members of the group
my dude, I don't think you were paying attention to what that anon said
there are specific ethnic groups which are primarily jewish, but there is no single unified jewish ethnic group
he's talking about opting out of the culture/religion, not no longer being ashkenazi
>>46373873
That is correct. I opted out of the Jewish religion (But I do have sephardic marrano via the netherlands about 3 generations ago), but in many ways I am still culturally Jewish, thus possibly placing me in the realm of Reconstructionist.
I also argue that I am not legally a Jew. Here's how:
My parents converted to to conservative judaism 1 month before I was born, putting me in the "survivable birth" region that determines me to be a converted child, not a born jew. When we converted to orthodox at age 3, my status truly did change to converted child, as the conversion was not upheld.
Now there is a jewish law that requires the converted child to make a choice at the bar mitzvah to continue with judaism or go to another religion. Now, my mother was crazy, and focused on making sure that I would properly jewish and as such I grew up thinking that the Christians had murdered all other religions and were keeping the Jews around to use our flesh and blood for communion. As such, my decision at my bar mitzvah to continue with judaism is a decision made under duress and false pretenses, and as such cannot be held as my actual decision - which is to get the fuck out.
Now that I'm thoroughly off-topic, let's get back to the topic of jews in space.
>>46375529
GODSDAMN I HATE IT WHEN IT RANDOMLY PUTS MY TRIPCODE IN
>>46375529
If you wanted, you would definitely be recognized as Jewish by virtually all Reform and many Conservative rabbis and congregations.
>>46375660
Mr. Johnson, righteous gentile.
>>46373567
Even if the provider does extensive psychological profiling on all their clients to insure they have not had their minds altered when requesting to cancel their contract with them one can avoid this scenario by having the altered target ego simply stop paying for their insurance.
Either the provider deletes the back-ups, shunts them into cold storage, or sells them into ego slavery. Any of these scenarios are sufficient to eliminate one's rival.
Unless one of the books has already done so there should be some description of how back-up services work so that players can find ways to manipulate them. Endless speculation is fucking tedious.
How long do you guys think transhumanity will last.
More importantly, how do we change the future without killing it?
Any place to get the print books for really really cheap?
>>46377585
Cheap Martian pleasure pod.
>>46377706
Nah, see, pods don't look like people. You can tell a pod by looking at it. That's all flesh human right there. And if you're not a poorfag, you can afford temperature and pressure mods so you can go outside and not immediately keel over.
>>46377706
>>46377866
Underpaid Martian Ranger engaged in inter-species porn to afford genetic updates. Very sad.
>>46377892
Well, the Alpiner does have both Planned Obsolescence and Fast Metabolism.
>>46376965
It will last as long as people continue to cosplay as humans or worse uplifted animals rather than the digital intelligences that they have become. Once some distance as been made from the Fall the remaining egos of the system will abandon the nonsense they currently engage in or be out competed by those more adept at being post-species.
>>46378798
What does meathab smell like?
>>46376965
Firewall has emergency backup civilization on several exoplanets reachable by gate and is sending out more by slowboat.
Making humanity extinct at this point would take some *serious* doing.
>>46378744
Going to save this one as "Hot Shot Eidolon"
>>46376965
I think the Backups have the right idea. We should take slowboats out and around our local cluster and start colonizing neighboring star systems on the quiet.
>>46378889
>>46379216
What's to stop the TITANs from teleporting to and destroying the backups?
>>46379287
We don't even know where all of them are.
Some were launched from exoplanets at nearby stars.
TITANs aren't everywhere.
>>46379287
we dont ctually know if they can teleport, we just think they might be able to
>>46379352
>>46379383
We've got to assume the absolute worst scenario, and plan accordingly.
>>46379287
Apathy apparently.
>>46379407
The worst case scenario is there is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent our extinction. Clearly we need to plan for more favorable scenarios.
>>46377759
>you can afford temperature and pressure mods so you can go outside and not immediately keel over.
That said, outside the lowlands and valleys, a breather unit and smartclothes, or at least a jacket, is very recommended, unless you go full Alpiner and install an oxygen reserve too. Wearing a vacsuit or sealed armor works too, but it's more than a little gauche.
>>46379407
>assume the absolute worst scenario
Absolute worst scenario, absolutely everyone is infected with an extremely subtle strain of the exsurgent virus that, on a signal set by the TITANS/ETI, will drive everyone into suicidal, berserk murder frenzies ending in suicide when there is nothing left to kill. There is no cure, it's inextricably intertwined into every transhuman ego, and we don't know what the signal actually is. Also, the Prometheans are just our ETI-designated minders keeping us busy spinning our wheels until the kill switch gets flipped.
>>46380234
Oh yeah, like, the entirety of Olympus is at too high an altitude for people to just go outside (and Olympus also has shitty containment since it can't be domed) without heavy adaptations, you'll just keel over.
But places like Noctis and Elysium are deep in canyons and valleys. And Elysium is "devoted to skin".
>>46380234
I never understood why an oxygen reserve is even necessary. Doesn't transhumanity have the technology to recycle carbon dioxide back into breathable oxygen?
>>46380383
That's what Respirocytes is for, yes. Or even long term life support if you keep it fueled. The Oxygen reserve is less complex and cheaper. You can also get gear or armor to provide air even indefinitely, but that's more shit you have to carry on you. Shit which can be shot up, melted by fire, disintegrated with nanos, etc, etc.
>>46380383
>I never understood why an oxygen reserve is even necessary.
To breathe normally in vacuum or in too-thin atmospheres, without a breather or vacsuit
>Doesn't transhumanity have the technology to recycle carbon dioxide back into breathable oxygen?
Indeed they do, but Mars' highland atmosphere is too thin to breathe just yet, even with enhanced respiration, which is an entirely different issue.
>>46380469
Well, technically, he's right in that that thinness also means there's not enough oxygen, but the volume of O2 you'd need at that pressure level is a lot. And probably unlikely to be produced on Mars except in contained environments, since there are altitudes on Earth which don't have enough oxygen for people.
Actually, that's an interesting planetology question, if you spiked enough oxygen into the atmosphere you could breathe at those higher altitudes, would you cause oxygen toxicity in the lower altitudes?
>>46380381
Why don't they just use a half torus instead of a dome?
>>46378811
sweaty but clean
>>46379287
The TITANS don't care about wiping out humanity.
>>46378811
Bacon.
>>46380381
>Olympus also has shitty containment since it can't be domed
Why is this? Is it because of the space elevator? That seems like something you could work around with a vertical airlock around the beanstalk. Or is it more to do with the altitude?
>>46380543
Not sure what you mean by a half-torus in this case. Olympus is actually built into the crater on top of Olympus Mons and has the Space Elevator coming up out of the center of it, so it's not practical to cap off the whole thing. That and it'd be really expensive when there's a lot of vacant space around the city.
>>46380595
I think it's column A and B. The elevator is a big deal and it's already a slow boat, probably don't want to fuck with it, and for second there's complications because of the altitude and high winds. It's not really worth it to the OIA who run the city, as opposed to the current system of smaller pressure domes, tenting and tin cans.
>>46380595
>>46380660
Also, Olympus is poor as balls and probably doesn't have the public/corporate money and will to embark on a full doming project that includes the space elevator.
>>46380660
I think he means why don't they build walls around the crater rim, if they were high enough I'm pretty sure they'd keep enough air in to make the city breathable for unaugmented people
>>46380727
Not to mention that so long as the elevator runs on time, the OIA doesn't give a fuck about people actually living there. It's a heck of a corp town in more ways than one.
>>46380749
Sounds like a lot of wind resistance, likely to have unpleasant side effects over time. Other than that, I don't actually know enough about planetary science to know if, with the altitude and pressure on even partially terraformed mars you could practically build such a wall. Sounds expensive just to keep whatever portion of a million shitheels out of the cold.
>>46380383
Turning CO2 back into oxygen is extremely energy intensive. Doing inside a biomorph would probably be a very bad idea.
>if you spiked enough oxygen into the atmosphere you could breathe at those higher altitudes, would you cause oxygen toxicity in the lower altitudes?
Real life scale height on Mars is 11 km. Call it 14 km to account for warming due to terraforming in EP. Altitude difference between the bottom of Valles Marineris and the peak of Olympus Mons is 28 km. So the pressure will differ between the two be a factor of 7.4. Looking at the attached chart, it might be barely doable. It certainly wouldn't be on Earth, but the lower gravity of Mars works in our favor here.
>>46380660
>Not sure what you mean by a half-torus in this case. Olympus is actually built into the crater on top of Olympus Mons and has the Space Elevator coming up out of the center of it, so it's not practical to cap off the whole thing. That and it'd be really expensive when there's a lot of vacant space around the city.
So just cap off the part you're using. Make it toroidal so there's a hole in the center where the elevator is anchored.
>>46380727
>Olympus is poor as balls
How? They have the only space elevator. Charge a small fee. Done. Money for infrastructure.
>>46380877
>Looking at the attached chart, it might be barely doable.
Never mind. Did the math. Pressure difference between hypoxia and oxygen toxicity is a factor of 6.67, a bit lower than the pressure difference expected based on scale height.
>>46380513
>>46380877
Also fucked up my link
Does anyone else have a technical question?
I can do spacecraft propulsion, ISRU, life support, power systems, other things.
>>46381520
Redpill me on ramscoops
What's the full list of ways to increase your speed on a biomorph?
>>46383401
They're shit for collecting propellant at low speeds. You want to fuel up, accelerate, then deploy. They're going to be nearly worthless in-system unless we're talking about a protoplanetary disc or something.
Ramscoops produce a lot of drag. Any particle collected for use as propellant needs to be accelerated up to the speed of the spacecraft. If you have 100% capture efficiency, the speed of the spacecraft relative to the gas is limited to the exhaust velocity.
Overall, not a super compelling design unless you can't plan your trajectory.
>>46383553
You can get a bit tricksy though. That drag is really beneficial for deceleration, and you can seed your trajectory with fast moving gas.
>>46381520
What's the smallest asteroid you could reasonably hollow and spin to create something in the neighborhood of two thirds or more earth gravity? How many people could it reasonably accommodate?
>>46384229
Don't know how biomods would affect it, but real humans start getting violent nausea with spin gravity generated at above 3 rpm. For 2/3 g at 3 rpm you're looking at a radius of around 66 meters. That's where the floor is, obviously the asteroid will need to be bigger than that if you are in fact hollowing it out instead of doing a Cole bubble or something.
NASA seems to think that 10 m^3 per person is a good number for permanent habitation. 20 would be better but I'll to with 10. I'll assume that the living space has a circumference of 66 meters and is 120 meters long (making the asteroid roughly spherical).
The entire internal volume is then 1641300 m^3. If we limit our habitable volume to the decks on which gravity is at least 1/2 g, we're down to 32000 m^3. In the latter case, the hollow space where you don't have people could presumably fulfill all of your life support functions, so I'll use that figure. That gives you room for 6400 people who want to kill each other, 3200 people who feel cramped, or 1600 happy people.
>>46384912
It's late. Mathed wrong. The latter case would be 72000 m^3 for 14400, 7200, or 3600 people.
>>46384912
Neato, thanks
What if I was after something bigger, like the one in Book of the Long Sun? Is it feasible to have lakes, farms and entire cities on the inside surface? How large would the asteroid need to be then?
So how good is the game system? Besides all the plot
>>46384970
For very large size you're going to want to build with engineered materials. The size necessary to fit those things will be determined entirely by how big you need those things to be.
The maximum possible sizes are the really relevant details here. I know you can do a radius of 4 km and a length of 32 km with steel no problem. You can definitely go bigger than that with steel but it may not be practical. With carbon nanotubes the theoretical limit is something like a 1000 km radius and a length of 10,000 km though I don't trust that source very much. The latter would have an internal area greater than the area of Eurasia. The limits on length are necessary to maintain stable rotation about the desired axis.
>>46385060
The system is a D100 percentile system and it's just about playable. There are some genuinely good elements (the blackjack system for opposed tests) and some really hilariously broken parts.
Do any of the books actually say which faction developed the mesh, or is it safe to assume different parties developed different parts of it?
>>46384912
>That gives you room for 6400 people who want to kill each other,
Sounds like a job for (Sing it with me, everyone) Mandatory Community-Building Psychosurgery!
>>46385326
>Do any of the books actually say which faction developed the mesh
We can and do establish mesh networks today, here and now. It's just that they're not especially efficient or fast for their cost, and the sheer amount of redundancy will murder bandwidth. Thanks to EP tech making every wireless device a router and making bandwidth effectively limitless (For daily use, anyway), a global mesh network architecture starts to make more sense.
>>46385373
Yeah, but I'm asking about the literal protocols that would govern the mesh.
Presumably it would have evolved naturally out of the internet, but I wanted to ask if the protocols were possibly developed exclusively by one faction.
>>46385496
There are tons of meshnet protocols out there if you do a bit of googling. I don't know enough about networking to understand them though.
>>46385496
I'm pretty sure the mesh was something that came into existence well Pre-Fall, and it being developed solely by one faction just doesn't fit for several reasons. A, everyone uses it and thus it wouldn't make sense for it to be proprietary, B, like >>46385634 says, it's not exactly complex to set one up, C, most factions wouldn't be around yet when the mesh got made. The likely suspects if you want to push it would be the JSON project (AKA the Argonauts) or the hypercorps.
>>46385496
The original protocols for the Mesh come from... Bluetooth! Yes, that is the original Mesh, currently used in Singapore by making every single Bluetooth enabled device a router/server.
After a certain point, the faction that developed the Mesh is... Corporations, Hackers, and Governments. The protocols are developed by an organization that is commonly held to be the authority (so lots of @-rep and C-rep) on Mesh protocols.
Then there's a lot of programs meant to bridge the gap between various protocols that were developed by copy-catters, ideologues, people that far out of the loop, or even specialist applications.
>>46383401
Magnetic scoops just don't work. You need an electrostatic scoop if you want to go anywhere.
>>46388282
this irritates me
I wonder what would happen to a Rogue Trader if one showed up in the system. 40K is a totally different setting and I'm curious how the respective technologies would match up
>>46388520
please leave
>>46388520
I know I shouldn't respond, I know I should complain about 40kfags trying to stick their dick into everything else (and the inevitable "nuh-uh because 40k has the best stuff amiriteguys?" shitstorm that follows in their wake), but surely the answer is:
The Rogue Trader arrives. The Rogue Trader get his or her shit kicked in as soon as they try anything. The end.
How do you deal with players who just don't get it?
The party was supposed to do an infiltration job in the inner system, on Mars, in Valles. I ruled that open weapons carry there is illegal, and obvious heavy armor will raise question.
Then the guy shows up with a plasma gun and heavy combat armor, and when his fellow players said that he can't just stroll along the Bund like that, he screamed that "THE DM JUST CAN'T BALANCE ENCOUNTERS SO HE NERFS PLAYERS INSTEAD". I though "fuck it" and let him proceed. As soon as he went into the street, VNSPM tried to arrest him. He opened fire, the police retreated, he tried to pursue them, troops in heavier gear came in and promptly blasted him to bits. At this point, he quit.
>>46390004
If you tell him IC and OOC and he still doesn't get it, fuck it. He either gets fucked and has a healthy respect for you, or more likely rage quits. Either way, you good.
>>46390004
Y'see, Brad, I don't know your players or your group, but I do know that this sort of thing happens when a player plays all games like they're in the same genre. In this case, your player sounds like he was expecting a wargame like Dungeons and Dragons, rather than what Eclipse Phase actually is.
If you don't mind, could you tell us about what games this problem player previously played?
>>46390047
As far as I know, D&D 4, Shadowrun (don't know what edition), GURPS and some obscure 40K rpg, didn't look it up.
>>46390064
>GURPS
Evidently not Transhuman Space.
Really, it just sounds like his previous GMs haven't drummed this into his head.
>>46390064
>D&D 4
Bingo. He's playing every game like it's D&D 4.
>>46390047
>I do know that this sort of thing happens when a player plays all games like they're in the same genre
You're right, Nick, though I'd add that this sort of thing often happens with people who have never tried to run a game of their own. The old That Guy of our group was exactly like this; if he was told that the character would know that X would get him in trouble, he'd basically say "no, it wouldn't", and then get pissy when it did. He'd never volunteer to run a game, made it a point of pride that he wouldn't run one, and finally our group booted him out after one infraction too many.
He'd always play the same type of character ("the quiet loner who doesn't want to know anyone"), treat every game like it was the same and constantly tried to convince people how his opinions on RPGs were based on years of experience, even though it was always as a player, playing the same character, as if it was the same game. Now I think he's playing with some other local group, and last we heard from them, they were trying to find a way to kick him out.
So be happy that your That Guy quit, but take pity on the next poor sod of a GM who finds him at his table.
>>46388432
Where did you find this abortion?
>>46390813
Nips.
Test.
Is there a problem with designing a mechanical beast menagerie?
>>46393517
It's an affront to god and nature and all that.
Uh. The Darkcast wiki appears to be gone? Did it move, or what?
>>46393196
Mmm, delicious steel.
Does the cap of raising an aptitude to 30 apply if your morph has a 40 maximum, or what?
>>46394924
If your morph has a cap of 40, that's the cap. Also, aftermarket mods can take you to 40 even if your cap is 30, so load up your Fury or Olympian with strength boosting mods and a reflex booster and enjoy that sweet optimization.
>>46394048
Isn't that true of all of our society?
>>46395223
Currently looking at using a Remade as a Sufi Nomad with the Exhuman faction. Basically a mix of Dale Gribble, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and a Warframe flippy spaceninja scrounging around the edges of the TQZ.
Is Neurachem 2 worth it? That -20 to all tests seems kinda rough. Is there a better way to cap speed out at 4, or is that it? The character might be an async, unsure yet.
>>46388520
>>46388942
It would be an enormous technological boon for whoever managed to take the ship. Even something as simple as the artificial gravity they use to let people walk around on the decks would propel the setting into the future by centuries, especially since in EP they'd be able to reverse engineer it and think of new applications for the technology, rather than just slavishly copying it like the Imperium
>>46390004
I think this gets into what >>46355906 said. That plus your players might be trying to tell you that they don't find games about stealth and infiltration and keeping a low profile fun. Eclipse Phase is incredibly frustrating when you can't due anything due to omnipresent surveillance, it's the reason most GMs throw out almost everything in the Panopticon book.
>>46393517
Yes, it needs to be biological.
PLAY GOD ALL THE TIME AND THEN MAKE HALF-DEITY BABIES
>>46395818
But I know nothing of biology.
And besides, why does it need to be biological?
>>46395370
The interesting thing is, my players asked me to run specifically EP and are having fun. We were one player short, though, so one of regular players brought his buddy who seemed nice before but turned out to be like that.
As of >>46355906, isn't that one of the points of the game? Morph and gear are tools with their own purpose, nothing more, nothing less, and when you can't carry all your fancy stuff around, you learn to make do with a bare minimum that you learn to procure wherever you need it; stealth is less of not being seen and more of not being cared about, and very few things can be solved with violence, because everyone is immortal and most things are of negligible cost, if not free.
All this stuff is right there in Transhuman, there's a whole chapter dedicated to it. If you don't like it, why even bother playing EP instead of something like GURPS Transhuman Space or even Traveller?
>>46395370
>it's the reason most GMs throw out almost everything in the Panopticon book.
Does that include the parts of Panopticon which gives the GM explicit rules for how players can fight surveillance and has examples of gear and services to just buy to avoid certain problems?
>>46396078
The surveillance outstrips the methods of defeating it.
More writefaggotry. A human interest piece doubling as an adventure seed. Special thanks to Jewanon (more like Jewtripfag) for the helpful advice on shechita and halakha >>46368702
>>46396180
I mean, if as a GM you want to run it that way, that's your prerogative, and if Players don't take any steps that's their own fault, but I literally just posted the game's rules for countering surveillance.
>>46396211
>Here's a test at an additional -30 on something that's already hard, this is totally a good way to circumvent surveillance that's literally everywhere civilized
>Oh, yeah, you can totally map the sensors out to defeat them. I mean, it'll take specialized nanoswarms specifically for it and still take a long time, and those swarms are just as prone to dying as normal ones, AND you're still gonna have a hard time doing it, and then there's STILL the clearing a blind spot stuff. Oh, and you'll still likely be spotted doing all of this anyway. :^)
Like, I get that you think that the GM can just ignore it and all, but the rules outright tell you that you're basically not defeating it without being seen and therefore failing anyway.
>>46396342
>without being seen and therefore failing anyway.
>he still believes everyone in setting cares about the PCs
>he still believes surveillance is perfect
Stop thinking this is Splinter Cell. You only lose if you are physically captured, not jut seen.
>>46396342
You must *hate* heist movies.
>>46396431
There are plenty of scenarios where being seen can really fuck you over even if you aren't captured.
>>46396198
I like it. Don't know shit about judaism, but that almost seems like the point.
Love the hook at the end, great EP stuff.
>>46396342
Oh, so you haven't actually played Eclipse Phase. -30 is chump change. Anybody actually good at the skills should eat that and change with gear mods and complementary skills and situational bonuses. And PCs have Moxie. Generic AIs and even basic mooks usually don't. Specialized nanoswarms? It's a single [High] cost item. Bughunters are [Moderate]. Hell, those rules even say "Yeah, this can be super complex if you like, or you can just roll what should be a very common skill to work on it". And then there's a whole section on being in disguise so it doesn't matter if you're spotted.
>>46396431 is right this isn't a video game where it ends when the alarm get tripped either.
So, how many internal rockets does one need to escape the gravity well of a planetary mass like Earth?
Panopticon is like GURPS. You have to pick and choose what you want, if you use every rule in the book it makes the game unplayable.
>>46396860
You'll want a thrust to weight ratio of at least two and around 10-12 km/s of delta-v. That will put you in low earth orbit with bone-dry propellant tanks. The good news is you're now half way to anywhere.
>>46396860
Assuming the thrust-mass and other ratios are perfect, fit's either four or I'm a retard who doesn't know how rockets work.
>>46396945
>if you use every rule in the book it makes the game unplayable.
So you're trying to say if my GURPS party is a disgraced, alcoholic police officer, a genetically engineered super soldier from the future, his robot buddy, a cannibalistic wood elf, and a talking dog, and they work together to stop dimension hopping supervillains, I'm running the game wrong?
>>46397057
I'm saying you're lucky none of those characters drive cars, or you'd have to use the vehicle combat rules
>>46396977
Even if we ignore the additional weight contribution of more than one rocket, 1 g of acceleration won't get you off the ground. You would probably want about 10 of them, which I doubt would fit internally.
>>46396948
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_drag
>>46377759
Vacuum sealed biomorphs look weird, though.
>>46377971
You can literally spec a morph with the same exact stats as the Alpiner without those traits and have it cost the same.
>>46378811
Barbecue sauce.
>>46379287
>>46379383
If they could teleport, they wouldn't need gates.
>>46397585
>If they could teleport, they wouldn't need gates.
Unless they figured out teleportation after making the gates
>>46385373
Everything is literally a DNS server. That's what makes everything work.
>>46396198
Ah, you even basically quoted me!
I'll be glad to help you anytime you need for more ideas of random jewish things to put in.
>>46387712
>the Danes invented the Mesh
Pretty sweet.
>>46397116
The dog is the getaway driver.
>>46397642
What's the 10 AF version of Jew gold?
>>46397876
Jew Quantums
>>46397918
What if you took the FTL-comms out of the game?
>>46397938
I do. It really only affects gate travel, and in a way that makes it more interesting.
Or are you asking what would be the equivalent of jew gold in that scenario?
>>46397994
Yes, that is what I was asking.
>>46398027
Well, it's not diamonds, that's fucking everywhere. Aside from qubits, what IS precious and rare in the solar system?
>>46398067
Antimatter?
>>46398067
Antimatter. Phosphorus. Fissiles. Helium 3.
>>46398096
There it is. Jew Antimatter. Available in Positrons, Antiprotons and straight up Antihydrogen.
>>46398027
>Be old as balls
>Live in a torus
>Tell my grandkids that in my day I had to walk two miles to school every day, uphill both ways, in the snow.
>"Grandpa, we live on a torus. Everything's uphill both ways."
>"Grandpa, what's a school? We just take eCourses."
>"Grandpa, what's a mile?"
>"Grandpa, what's snow?"
This future, I swear to God.
>>46398132
>personal Samson Option
>>46398132
The trouble with antimatter compared to gold or diamonds is that antimatter is really hard to store.
>>46398242
Just increases the value.
>>46398242
Antimatter just wants to be free! It is evil to hold antimatter prisoner! Free the antimatter now!
>>46398259
You miss the point. People will prefer to store their wealth in a different fashion.
>>46398067
You mean other than genuine stuff from Earth, which is way too expensive to be used in such a way? The most rare natural element in the universe is Uranium.
>>46398132
Doesn't last long enough. Also >>46398242
>>46398817
What do you do when there's a bigass storm?
>>46398861
Fire the guy in charge of the atmosphere controls.
Ideally, out of an airlock.
>>46398880
That's obviously on a planet. You can see the delta-winged aircraft in the background.
>>46398924
Nah son, that's a boat sailing across the ocean on the opposite face of the cylinder
>>46398371
>The most rare natural element in the universe is Uranium.
Yes, and Earth is one of the few good sources of it. Uranium is a lithophile, so has been concentrated in Earth's crust by geological processes. Its abundance elsewhere in the solar system is much lower than one might guess. Rocky planetoids are going to far outstrip other mineral sources.
Compared to Earth, Luna has pretty shitty uranium abundance. Mars is probably worse than Earth because of its low geological activity.
Uranium deposits on Venus might be worthwhile for use on Venus, but it's probably too much trouble for export.
Mercury is where things get interesting. It has a very high concentration of heavy elements and has had a lot of geological activity. That's where I would bet on finding good amounts of uranium.
>>46398861
Storms were bad for efficiency. We paid top dollar to remove them.
>>46398981
Uranium can be manufactured if you have thorium and neutrons, both of which are relatively common in the inner system.
>>46399203
Is that more expensive than mining on Mercury, though? Merc is split between the Consortium's heavy industry and local Sifter nomad miners.
>>46399203
Thorium reactors are shit and require extensive fuel reprocessing.
What would a non-Titanian autonomist alliance warship be like?
>>46400474
Mostly retrofitted cargo haulers.
Unfortunately, the kind of people who join the AA and then decide they want to operate cargo haulers for a living, tend to be a little funny in the head.
>>46400591
No, a purpose-built one. There's got to be some rep in it after the whole Locus fiasco.
>>46400758
Like a Titanian warship, except built on a shoestring budget, and you're sure the design team consisted of literal monkeys
>>46400827
>No money
>No IP
>Nanotech assembler swarms
>Argonaut backing
>shoestring budget
>>46400997
And let's not forget
>no corporate interests pushing shit that will benefit them but make the product worse (*cough* F-35 *cough*)
>>46400997
>shit in the way of heavy metals
>>46400997
>>46401100
>>46401099
That's why God invented anti-matter
>>46401116
>>46401100
The main belt is full of both metals and autonomists
>>46401194
Low-to-Moderate amounts of AA members and still poorer in heavy metals than you'd find inside the belt.
>>46401239
Extropian, Ceres, and Nova York are the three largest settlements. At least half the belt is AA.
>>46401239
Which metals are you talking about? If we're not including metals sequestered deep within planets then the belt is far richer in many metals than the inner system.
>>46401470
Fuck. I keep forgetting that the Extropian groups are AA in the vanilla setting. I just don't see how An-Caps could get along with any of the other kinds of Anarchists.
>>46401608
It's easy if you treat the commune as a corporation.
>>46401608
Well, the Extropians are an interesting bloc anyway, and half of their major clades (Utilitarians, Mutualists) probably get on fine with the rest of the AA. Plus the Extropians' other options are to like, get squished between the Jovians and the PC AND the Titanians.
Or team up with the Milquetoast Confederacy.
>>46401608
Autonomist Alliance Points of Unity
>We demand autonomy, self-organization, and self-governance for all sapient beings.
>We support direct democracy and forms of organization where sapients collectively decide their own future.
>We promote mutual aid and reciprocating altruism between sapients.
>We affirm the right to engage in self-defense against oppression and coercive authority and stand in solidarity with sapients so attacked.
What political system do the Ultimates adhere to?
Is it a hands-off dictatorship? Do they even really have a political system?
>>46401657
No. The other way around. An-Coms would bitch about wage slavery every time you'd get near them.
>>46401688
What I remember of the clades is that they came off as artificial and shallow. Lemme go reread that.
>Though left-wing on economics and government, many anarcho-capitalists swing to the right on social issues. The prejudices against AGIs and uplifts, for example, are common among libertarians, as are views on forking.
All of my wat. Is the author really trying to say that laissez-faire is left-wing? The clear jab at irl libertarians isn't missed either.
>>46403166
It's a meritocracy of some sort. Really, it's just a big cult.
>>46403527
Well, like some things in EP, you have to ignore the details of the text and more take the broad strokes.
>>46403606
>>46403527
This is the same chapter which includes notes on Objectivists which is almost entirely the modern meme n' fedora objectivism rather than paying close attention to what Rand actually wrote (Not that Rand was great, but internet culture/pop-politics blows it out of proportion)
>>46403527
Left/Right/Whatever are contextually (so temporally dependent.) Also economic liberalism is literally laissez-faire.
That excerpt does seem deliberately antagonistic though.
>>46403606
Still, the "divisions" are merely those of minor opinion and don't even have much to do with politics at all. Literally the only one that was at all political was the Isolationists. Well, them and the Mutualists, but they still abide by the same tort system as everyone else. To be honest, I don't know why they stuck the Mutualists in there.
It's also contradictory. The "Anarcho-Capitalists", the largest clade, supposedly are prejudiced against AGIs and uplifts, and don't like long-term/non reintegrating forks, but earlier they say that there's only something like one court that denies AGIs and uplifts rights.
>>46403665
Do you really think that the devs have ever read Rand from a neutral frame of reference? Do you even think that they've read a neutral summary of it?
>>46403665
>rather than paying close attention to what Rand actually wrote
>implying people actually give a fuck what Rand actually wrote
Familiar with the term Machiavellian? The Prince was actually intended as criticism of such behavior.
>>46404321
It was a satire. He did, however, write those things.
>>46404432
Yes, satire can be used as criticism. Do you have a point? Regardless of what Rand actually wrote, the flag of moral objectivism has attracted all manner of sociopaths and can be expected to continue to do so in the future.
>>46404608
Is satire not always a criticism?
>>46404841
Yes, but it's not always interpreted as satire.
>>46380367
No, the absolute worst case scenario is that /everyone/ died in the fall and everything is a TITAN-run simulspace.
>>46405578
Sounds better than some alternatives to me. At least it's not an excessively malevolent simulspace.
>>46380877
>They have the only space elevator.
'The space elevator is located in Olympus' is not quite the same thing as 'Olympus owns the space elevator.' All the money goes straight to the hyper-elites.
>>46405638
If you don't think that local officials can cause enough of a hassle in customs to extract some sort of payment then I don't know what to tell you.
>>46405638
>>46405709
Ehh... Yes and no. The town is run by the Olympus Infrastructure Authority, a company that effectively owns both the town and the elevator. There used to be a real government, but they GTFO during the Fall and now OIA runs everything and is headed up by representatives from the Tharsis League and so on. So yeah, it's run by a hypercorp which is in turn run by the Consortium's patsy, but there's no like, dynasty of hyperelites sitting on the town raking in the money like in say, Elysium.
Taking the space elevator is equated to taking the bus, it's time-consuming but relatively cheap, it's not exactly a hyper high-value service, just a reliable one.
>>46405839
I suspect the big money would be in cargo
>>46405881
Probably depends on how much shit you need moved at any given time. Hell, the books even describe like, even "people" can be considered cargo if you're like, a truck load of indentures in pods or a squad of soldiers. But if you're ComEx (who fucking hate the OIA) and you deal in bulk cargo because... you're space FedEx that's probably a decent chunk of change.
>>46406053
You have to think more about what can't be made on-site.
Mars is rich in phosphorus and potassium. Most of the solar system will have huge demand for those elements. Phosphorus in particular is a very scarce resource, to the point that in earth habitats with adequate water it usually sets the bottleneck on biomass.
Mars also has live soil. Probably pretty valuable with Earth gone.
>>46406271
Yeah, but Mars soil probably needs to stay on Mars mostly to complete terraforming. They are trying to make it more Earth-like after all.
Also, unless the Planetary Consortium has like, higher tariffs or fees for itself on high-value goods, OIA probably doesn't see any difference in pay whether it's 20 metric tons of phosphorous or 20 metric tons of pleasure pods going up.
