Is there ever a tactful way to handle rape in a campaign?
ask your players first, you should always obtain consent before you rape
>>46254379
A setting in which rape doesn't exist is not only stupid, but childish.
If the setting or situation calls for rape, then it should be used. It doesn't need to be described in detail or made into some magical realm shit.
It's like how Fallout is full of every post apocalyptic evil except rape. After you realize it, it just stands out sorely. In a world where torture, gore, murder, mass murder, kidnapping, extortion, blackmailing, thuggery, assassination, prostitution, etc are all common and seen everywhere, why is there no rape? Makes zero sense.
>>46254379
probably notIf only....
>>46254464
And cannibalism. Shit tons of cannibalism in FO. That's my metric. If you got cannibals, you're bound to have rape.
>>46254379
>roll for how traumatized you are
Seriously though just lead up to it in minor detail but specific enough that its clear whats going to happen then fade to black.
Also, make sure your players are okay with this in the first place.
>>46254379
No. The rape troll is like /tg/'s occasional hygiene trolls.
Yes, poop exists, but it's something taken for granted as a continual and universal background occurrence that needn't affect roleplay because poop isn't going to affect in-universe events - unless it's some GM's magical realm. Same with rape - it's not gaming, it's magical realm. tl;dr:
Hello, /d/.
>>46254379
>>46254464
It was pretty explicit that Cook-cook was a rapist.
>>46254379
Yeah. Make sure it doesn't involve women.
>>46256441
>Yes, rape exists, but it's something taken for granted as a continual and universal background occurrence that needn't affect roleplay because rape isn't going to affect in-universe events - unless it's some GM's magical realm.
>>46254379
Get some experience so as to more accurately represent it.
>>46254464
What version did you play that let you murder all the children in little lamplight?
>>46254379
>>46254464
Does this surprise you? You see where the degenerate leftists are going. But yeah
>>46256441
this guy is pretty much right. Rape has become more taboo than mass murder, so people aren't comfortable depicting it anymore. The simple act of "killing" will always be a-ok as long as you have ongoing wars IRL.
>>46254464
what, just because it isn't smashed into your dimbulb face you don't think it's even alluded to? A good amount of terminal journals hinted at that sort of shit, or at least a desire to from the scummier figures around.
at least, in 1/2/NV. FO3 and 4 aren't gonna include any of it because that trash is written by adult babies
>>46254464
There are subtle references to rape in Skyrim, like that one character in the Riften tavern who said that bandits kidnapped her and had their way with her. (I think she said they were bandits.) It's just not out in the open or able to be seen happening in person.
I'd be surprised if they didn't put any in Fallout 4.
>>46254379
When the party mutually agrees to rape the NPC in question and nobody is uncomfortable.
Example: An evil sorcerer bbeg fights the party finally and is defeated. The party must decide what to do with him.
>"Let's rape him"
Everyone agrees and they all gang rape him.
>>46256707
You can kill in kids in 1&2
>>46259462
For what purpose.
>>46254414
>>46259520
The version I had back in the day didn't have kids at all.
And I'm not going to replay the game just to kill kids, that would be weird.
>>46254464
fucking bethesda sjws
how am i supposed to jerk off to their rpg now
>>46254379
Sauce?
>>46259795
The strange thing about the Johnsons.
>>46254464
There's plenty of rape in Fallout, what game were you playing? You can purchase a freaking sex slave in FO3
>>46259875
Are you sure that's core game and not some mods?
Because if we're talking mods, you can get it on with (intelligent) Deathclaws even.
>>46259842
my friend linked it to me and i'm watching it now.
so far its amazing.
>>46258183
Look at everyone just blatantly ignoring this
>>46256441
When rape happens to someone, it affects their lives a lot more than pooing.
>>46259910
It's core that there's a slaver city where you can buy sex slaves. And I don't mean some brand new captured woman who you can put to work doing whatever; I mean the boss-man's sloppy seconds active sex-slave. And she wasn't his only one.
>>46259573
Roleplaying, duh.
The player's don't want it to happen of course, but it's what their CHARACTERS would do.
>>46256441
>poop isn't going to affect in-universe events
>rape is comparable to taking a poop
>someone getting raped only affects them as much as an afternoon poop
>>46260167
I find it funny to contrast this example with Oblivion sewers.
>No toilets
>Miles of sewer systems
What would be the rape equivalent? Where rape doesn't exist, but a prominent consequence of it does?
>>46260139
But, why do their characters want to do it?
>>46260192
.........Half-orcs?
Fade to black if DMing.
Don't initiate if playing.
No exceptions.
>>46260194
Shits and giggles.
>>46260194
It's basically one-sided hatesex at this point. They hate the BBEG and sex feels good. Rape is the most logical course of action.
>>46256565
And a pedophile cannibal.
>>46260286
cook cook just raped anything. men, women, children, prolly that brahmin "queenie" and other raiders.
as he was one of the 3 mean fuckers
>>46260167
"hang on guys, i gotta go take a shit"
"hang on guys, i gotta get raped"
don't have the same ring to it.
>>46260273
What if the BBEG likes it?
I think having rape be a theme in a campaign is fine, but involving player characters in it seems tasteless. Don't rape PCs and don't let them rape.
>>46254379
The most effective use of rape in a game I've encountered was the Half-Ogre origins in Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.
To this day, I hate gnomes and ogres in fantasy settings.
>>46261011
>and don't let them rape.
Ever heard of player agency? You must be the worst DM.
>>46261016
I don't remember this from Arcanum, I loved that game. Enlighten me.
As far as rape in RPGs (and genre fiction) I can't think of an author that's Incorporated it in a non-cringey way. Take GRRM for example. You, the DM, are probably not going to improvise something better. I can't imagine any reason beyond being edgy for it in a game.
Separately, I'm pretty sure the fallout sex slaves were also pretty much all drug addicts/prostitutes, and 1 dimensional at that, so it's not exactly the same.
>>46254379
>not preparing for this eventuality
>>46261266
Not that anon and don't recall the specifics from the game, but I do remember how the game speculates on how half-ogres exist in the first place (it doesn't make sense for ogres to mate with and let women carry to term, no female half-ogres, no means to ask how it happens), yet they're all over the place and often employed by gnomes. I think the idea is that gnomes enslave ogres, capture women, force them to have their freak babies, kill the girls for whatever reason, and perpetuate the supply of immense but controllable bodyguards. Probably a quest that leads to this revelation somewhere.
>>46261450
Oh. It's not implied. There's a quest that brings you to an abandoned site where gnomes had been breeding captured ogres with human women they had abducted.
The women invariably died either due to the rape itself, or the nasty childbirth that human hips were simply not meant to handle.
>>46261598
They never heard of artificial insemination?
>>46261266
>I don't remember this from Arcanum, I loved that game. Enlighten me.
This anon >>46261450 is on the right track.
A couple of the quests you complete lead into a larger series of quests that deal with the Siamese twin skeletons and such. The quest line eventually ends when you visit a small island that reveals what, why and how half-ogres are created.
Back when Arcanum was a monarchy, the gnome merchants guild or something similar were targeted and oppressed by the other races. They attempted to cross-breed ogres with other races so that they would have a slave race to protect them, but none of the rape babies or raped women survived so they temporarily ceased their experiments and instead went to the king for help in the attacks.
He turned them away and in retaliation, the gnomes had the entire royal family killed and the queen kidnapped.
One of the brighter gnomes had an idea and he set up a surgical facility on half-ogre island where they took the queen. She was impregnated and the baby was born through c-section, then rinse and repeat. She was the first successful female to conceive half-ogres and in total had 4 before she died.
The questline culminates with the PC being confronted by a gnome conspirator and the people investigating the conspiracy all vanishing (except the PC) and the entire island being cleaned up so no evidence exists.
This is how the gnomes came to be in control of Arcanum and how the monarchy was ended.
>>46254379
Is it a legitimate rape? If so, the GM has ways of shutting it down.
>>46261279
source?
>>46261266
>>46261450
Pic related is a bit of the journal.
>>46261639
It's a world entering an industrial revolution, not a world where the specifics of how sex and procreation actually works is known.
Even if they did know, the gnomes don't care.
I only allude or use rape when its extremely relevant to the story. Typically if a female is captured by bandits she would probably be raped in some way, but there's no real reason to bring it up unless we're going for torture porn.
But rape would be very heavily focused upon during certain important plot points or moments. Such as an evil warlord raping a Goddess as such she would lose her divinity, or using the archaic term for rape as plundering.
>>46254379
By alluding to it. If a player wants to rape, it'll be skipped over. Good characters that do it immediately become evil, do not pass Go and do not collect 200 EXP points.
>>46254379
By LARPing it
>>46259910
Clover is one of the companions you can get in the core game. She's a sex slave/bodyguard owned by the leader of the Slaver Town and you purchase her from him.
One of the escaped slaves you can help in a quest also mentions having been a sex slave, and the Raiders are explicitly referred to as Rapists by the radio DJ.
New Vegas was even more obvious about it as one of the NCR quests has you hunting down a guy who raped one of their soldiers.
>>46261980
>Good characters that do it immediately become evil,
Please tell me you apply the same rule for murder of captives or in cold blood, torture, etc?
>>46256707
PC.
>>46260194
He's an elf, so it's not gay.
>>46254379
Ignoring all the shitposts made, here's the take on the topic from someone who IRL loves the idea of torturing rapists to death.
Don't describe it. Allude to it, state that it happened, just don't magical realm that shit.
Reference, via in-game dialog, the sheer emotional trauma involved in the act. The victim almost always tends to feel very small and lesser afterwards, and it lasts.
Remember that rape is not purely about sex and lust. It's about forcibly taking power over another, acted upon through the lens of sexuality. The rapist views themselves as powerful, and the victim as lesser.
To my brain, this is pretty basic, but pretty much everybody these days skips over it.
TL;DR: Rape is about forcible non-consensual power exchange, via the intermediary of sex.
>>46262058
How would a submissive character who normally enjoys feeling lesser feel about being raped?
>>46261645
Jesus fuck.
>>46254379
Giant four armed steampunk golem with two foot long vibrating members, each attached to a massive fluid tank mounted on the monster's back.
I call it the Pneumatic Rape Engine.
>>46261700
grimmer than dark, but darker than grim.
>>46262074
It depends on that particular character's personality
It's could be that it absolutely hates it, or try to forget about it, or don't care about it, or find it fucked up to having found the act hot, but there's not much chance the character would embrace it without being mentally broken in some way.
>>46262169
>>46262074
I wouldn't go as far as to say they have to be damaged. To be the target of sexual aggression is a relatively common fantasy in men and women. Paradoxically their fantasy rapist is usually someone they find attractive and would consent to anyway. You could say an extremely submissive character would consent in the middle of being assaulted, but if they really didn't want to and grew to enjoy that somehow then your assertion probably holds true.
>>46260192
>>46260215
the king's bastards in every town. X npc or character is Y's "long lost" father.
>half-things could ever be consensual.
the fear of the Gentry I always give my peasants.Gentry.
the magical spark is often kindled by a traumatic event, thusall mages are SJW.
>>46262231
We're talking about rape, not consensual ravishing. One is the reality, the other, a fantasy.
>>46260192
>No toilets
>Miles of sewer systems
... I had never considered that.
>>46261988
only acceptable answer.
>>46254379
Roll on the tables for disease, pregnancy, physical and mental trauma.
Rolled 23, 86, 98, 24 = 231 (4d100)
>>46262329
What are my results?
>>46261667
I see what you did there, you cheeky fuck
>>46261239
Do you really want a situation where a player gets a taste for it and acts it out in every session they can?
>>46262074
Well, as >>46262169 put, it depends. There's a reason I specified non-consensual though. Most rapists don't actually go after submissives though - they see no power to be taken from them typically. They usually target people that they believe should be submissive, but are not acting it.
That aside, the stereotypical submissive would most likely retreat further into submissiveness - the rape takes the power that they usually have control over (the power to determine who dominates them) and attempts to prove that they never had that power in the first place.
It gets ridic complicated.
BTW, I keep using the gender neutral they/they're because the act of rape is gender neutral - it happens m/m, m/f, f/m, and f/f, with aggressor/target format.
>>46257118
The thing is, while murder is, obviously, the greater crime, like 99% of the time, rape leaves survivors, who then have to live the rest of their lives dealing with their trauma.
You're never going to meet someone who was murdered and was traumatized by the experience, but enjoys gaming as a hobby.
So the topic of rape has a whole level of 'could affect other people by bringing it up', including at the gaming table, that murder never can. Which can make it a lot more potentially dangerous ground to tread, as a result. Which is why it should be handled with care.
That's all.
>>46263044
>You're never going to meet someone who was murdered and was traumatized by the experience, but enjoys gaming as a hobby.
Are you denying my lived experiences?
>>46261700
Well, he was a sociopath and a rapist, but he discovered cesarean section. Good for him.
>>46262282
Yeah, this. '90% of women have rape fantasies' stories never seem to get that 'rape fantasies' are virtually always 'fantasies about having sex with someone they wanted to have sex with anyway, who initiated said sex in a forceful and aggressive manner, but still one where said woman wanted to have sex at the time', not 'being raped'.
>>46263047
Excuse me, please stay where you are. The anti-undead squad is heading for your location as we speak.
>>46262099
I laughed way too hard. I'm going to hell.
>>46263074
This is discrimination! [Liberal politician] will stop this!
>>46263066
But that's not rape at all, so it couldn't be called a rape fantasy.
Unless you're saying women are retarded and call things that aren't rape, rape.
>>46263084
The dead don't vote.
>>46263098
It's rarely the women that call it that, so, no, I'm not.
Blame shitty journalism, as with so many other things.
>>46263099
You're never heard of ghost voting?
>>46263116
Well, the dead aren't SUPPOSED to vote.
Outside of Chicago, I mean.
>>46263099
That's blatant discrimination, if it has a soul it can vote, living or not.
>The undead have taken over a thread about rape
Coincidence?
>>46263044
I'd like to point out that murder creates more victims than just the person that was killed. It's not hard to think someone could be traumatized if someone close to them was murdered.
>>46263252
So does rape, though.
>>46263240
Rape survivors are dead inside so no, it's fitting.
>>46263252
You mean death in general anon.
>>46254379
There's no tactful way to handle rape happening to a player, but there are plenty of tactful ways to handle rape and other acts of debauchery happening to NPCs. By definition, dealing with something "tactfully" is dealing with it by implication with accordance to social mores and concepts of decency. There is no tactful way to inform someone that they have been raped, because even implying it would make obvious that it happened, but there are tactful ways to inform someone that other people have been raped.
>>46254379
I've watched fetish/bdsm porn with everyone I play with so we're all ok with it
>>46263289
You should just rape your players anon. They're clearly asking for it.
>>46263044
This is the dangerous mindset that has left us with the modern regressive Left. Being offensive for no reason is generally a poor idea, but this idea that we must bear in mind everyone's feelings at all times in the creation of any media is absurdity. If filmmakers were as cowardly as video-game designers, Dogville would never have been made, and while Lars is a fucking faggot who will swing from a lamppost on the next day of the long knives, Dogville was fucking amazing and is literally must-watch for anyone who isn't a total philistine.
Rape happens. So does murder, so do assaults, so do carbombings and other hideous acts of human violence. More and more I look around myself and see people just pretending that these things don't exist. Or worse, covering them up when they do happen. Brushing them off, saying 'well, we just have to live with it.'
Fuck that. Either everything is okay or nothing is okay. Either we live in a free society or we don't. I demand a clear answer, I am tired of being told that some atrocities are okay and others aren't. What kind of fucked up logic is that, am I the only sane person on Earth? If we're going full crazy, somebody tell me, I'll go get my jackboots on and bayonet some Croats, I've got nothing else going on today and sanity has clearly become a liability. But if we are being sane, if we are acting like rational human beings, why are we effectively normalizing some kinds of human evil while decrying others?
>>46263044
>You're never going to meet someone who was murdered and was traumatized by the experience, but enjoys gaming as a hobby
I was dead for a few minutes when a fat Chinese guy beat, then choked me with a pipe. I had to be resuscitated in the ambulance.
I was heavily traumatized by that and a number of other occasions where i was violently victimized, yet I enjoy violent gaming to this day. I'll also mention I was raped, but I worked through my issues and can now discuss and handle depictions of it with ease.
Frequently these knee-jerk reactions that override culture are from people who've never actually been victimized, yet need to feel like they're right along side the victims, usually out of some sick desire to be close to tragedy.
>>46263341
>>46263408
Where the fuck did I say that murder was a-ok and not a problem?
All I fucking pointed out is that you might have someone in your group that was raped, but you're not going to have someone that was murdered, so that's potentially more of a personal issue if you then toss rape into the game. Something you might have a conversation with the group about beforehand, a conversation that could last from ten seconds to a few minutes.
Particularly since most RPGs are explicitly full of, even 'about' combat and thus death and murder and whatnot, but very few RPGs are about rape, so there's a difference in what players are agreeing to up-front without said conversations.
Christ. "The dangerous mindset of the modern regressive left". "Everything is okay or nothing is okay". Gaming is a fucking social activity, and social activity isn't black and fucking white. It's about not shitting all over each other when we don't have to.
This is not a controversial position. It sure as hell shouldn't be, anyway. I didn't even fucking say 'no rape in gaming'. Suggesting a simple conversation between players and GM is somehow a radical notion? Goddamn it.
>>46254379
>playing 40k
>grimdark so grimdark that it is now a meme
>but no rape at all allowed
kek
People who play female PCs in my games know better than to venture alone or unarmed in the bottom levels of the ships. People from the bottom levels of the ship now know better than to try and rape a navigator.
>>46263530
They already decided you're boogeyman out to destroy their fun, as if this was some video game that they have no control over.
>>46254379
>mfw I read that as "is there ever a tactical way to handle rape in a campaign?"
>tfw tactical rape now exists
>>46263876
Read that again
>>46263530
You're a 25+ person arguing with teenagers who drank too much /pol/. I hope it helps you understand better what is happening.
>>46260192
Storm sewers are a thing. If no one pooped, rainwater would still have to drain from city streets.
>>46254379
Yes, playing with people that are not complete pussies.
>>46260192
Storm sewers, genius.
Is this the guy who had a rapist as a party member.
>>46263341
>Either everything is okay or nothing is okay.
This is literally the dumbest fucking thing ever said. This olympic-gold-medal-level 12-year-old libertarian bullshit.
>>46263530
But your friend being murdered fucks you up too, yet we don't have problems with fictional killings.
>>46264781
Meh I agree with him. With this new era of professional victims easilly gaining support on the net, who will decide what is ok and what is not.
>>46264781
Context, faggot. Every atrocity or no atrocity.
>>46254379
Yes. I've run a campaign where there was a lot - And I mean A LOT of rape.
But it was never directed at the PCs, of course. It was always directed at attractive female NPCs, and was something to save them from. You know, the ol' knight in shining armor thing.
>>46265850
>unable/ unwilling to understand there are subtleties of difference in social norms between one group and another, one culture/ society and another, one subculture and another, and that the world does not operate between polar moral absolutes
Confirmed for being edgy twelve year-old
>>46254379
> start reading the thread
> #gg shills swarming it claiming it's degenerate to not have common depictions of rape everywhere and that they can't help but think of it all the time
w e w
But then again, these are the people who say they'd fuck their daughters to protect them from the possibility of interracial marriage.
>>46254379
One of the groups I play in is 3 girls 3 guys, and one of the girls tries to rape everyone all the time.
It's quite amusing as the DM generally finds an amusing way to thwart her attempts.
In another game I've had another player sleep with me in game for resources a couple of times.
Our games would probably break many rules that a lot of groups setup though, since we play quite a comedic style with it being kind of like a 3 hour improv session. We also often bring in political and current events parodies into the game that match our alignments and real world political beliefs which are very diverse. We're currently playing through an immigration/refugees/terrorism storyline with a bunch of blood cult half orcs playing the role of decapitating terrorists.
Generally I guess: If you don't think your fellow players are going to be ok with it in the story but you still want to play with them I guess you should just skip it.
>>46256441
Reminds me of a that girl in my group. She always tried to make the game "realistic" but in the end I think she just had a poop-fetish.
>>46267100
No ebin upboats here.
>>46267470
Bad news, but I'm not your bogeyman. Now get back to your echo chamber.
>>46267100
Get over yourself.
>>46267699
What are you even on about?
>>46267100
I see what you did there
>>46267735Get over yourself.
>>46267793
Still not getting it.
