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Jank you want to be Good edition.
old thread: >>46170118
With pain lands fading out of the meta once eldrazi is killed, I think we've got a viable archetype here. Triskacontrol or something.
>>46202224
That's way too janky
>>46202224
How would that ever be good?
Near Death Experience seems easier to pull off.
Well in modern, 13 life is a fairly common end point after fetches and shocks and all that in the first few turns.
The trick is surviving to turn 5, which I feel is the earliest you could really pull it off with.
If deathrite shaman was still a thing, the deck would definitely be viable.
>>46202224
people on Reddit are currently dealing with the flavor text on the clue tokens
it might be possible they hint towards the flavor text on Ugin's Insight
>they came as three
>WotC doing anything right
also, as funny as the whole marketing shit is - does anyone else feel like they are overdoing it a bit?
>>46202224
well shit, that easily could be decent for a finisher in suicide black really.
problem is alot of people who play memedern are incompetant as hell so suicide black is a bit outside this meta.
>>46202436
They pretty much have to rely on overdoing the lore/spoilers since the set is nowhere near as strong as OG Innistrad (and there's like 0 repritns)
Can you imagine how much angrier people would be if the cards were low power AND the lore sucked? Innistrad is probably top of the list of favorite sets for a majority of players who have been around a while, they expect a return set to not shit all over the memories.
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How likely is a Bant deck based around creatures with flash and counterspells to be competitive ?
I love the idea that I can play every single card from my deck during my opponent's turn.
The deck would look something like :
> Tiago, Clique, Resto, Bounding and some random 2 drop with flash.
> 4 paths
> 12 counters.
>>46202271
>once eldrazi is killed
What
>>46202224
This is way too janky to be good. As stated earlier, Near Death Experience is a way easier combo to pull off and it doesn't see any play.
>>46202224
At first I thought this was one of those custom cards and not official wotc stuff.
>>46203224
I believe you're looking for the casual or EDH threads.
>>46203224
Seems too fair.
Most decks in Modern have an "unfair" twist to them that more or less consistantly goes off on turn 3-5. Abzan CoCo randomly gains infinite life, Burn deals 3+ dmg a turn, Affinity shits out its hand by turn 2, ect.
Your concept just feels like a UW midrange deck (which is allready kinda mhe) but with worse creatures.
It would be decent if they ever print more good 2-3 drop with flash but for now, Snapcasters and VClique are the only really good ones and they are not worth building around.
Alternatively, UB Faeries plays a bit like that and is competitive.
>>46204092
2 of in Loampox.
>>46204092
I like this guy
Idk if I'd play it in modern but he definitely seems fun with a bunch of fetchlands, edh it is!
>>46204204
Man, Golgari Grave Troll is played in loam decks. This has the same CMC and could be arguably better in the long run. It will at the very least be experimented with.
Tired of years of drafts, I'm willing to get into modern but I'm kinda poor.
Since my funds are limited, I can't afford some modern staples (Goyf, Lili, Snapcaster, Horizon Canopy, Ori Jace, ect...). I also decided that If I want to go 3+ colors I would only use the KTK fetchs.
This, plus the fact that I'm not into full on aggro, leaves me with a very few choices in (fairly) competitive decks to build.
Actually I found only 2 : Bant CoCo and Jund Loam.
Are there any other fun decks to play that could fit my budget ? They don't have to be PT worthy, just to be competitive enought to have a shot at going 4-0 at FNMs consistantly.
>>46204092
>We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells.
Nothing says epic-feeling like a fucking frog.
BRAVO MARO
>>46204752
A frog HORROR
motherfucker
>>46204692
Skred annihilates creature decks, can easily splash a colour and the only expensive card is blood moon and you only need 3.
The deck is fun and can switch from control to burn or beat down in an instant.
>>46205103
Could be great in a toolbox meta with x4 angers. I'm putting it in my list of deck to build.
>>46203224
bant flash is a worse version of america
if you're in bant, you need to be on company. krasis was a twin combo creature and has no place in this list because it isn't powerful enough on it's own. none of the flash dudes are.
>>46204092
landfall dudes, mina&denn, commands, this, standard jund for fnm here i come.
>>46204129
>5 mana
>loam pox
Kind of odd considering you curve out at 3. You really think this shit is worth bumping your curve by fucking 2 you retarded faggot?
>>46206248
This is a Christian board, please refrain from posting rude comments while browsing. Thank you.
>>46206248
Yeah, I agree with:
>>46206360
That was just really uncalled for.
>>46206360
This desu
>>46202224
Anyone else going to meme the everloving shit out of this and Hidetsugu's Second Rite?
>>46204256
I thought people played grave troll for the dredge?
He is really good with Loam in general though so I feel you
>>46206248
Loampox is a grindy deck, games go for 10+ turns easy. You can make a variant of the deck running some more expensive cards instead of discard outlets as a wincon. Besides, 5 CMC isn't the end of the world, even for modern, especially if you pack up a shit ton of removal.
Stop being a tool that only play netdecks and try to experiment for once.
>>46206360
Calling someone a retarded faggot is the most Christian thing you can do.
>>46207289
Problem is once the toad ends up dredged in the graveyard you have no way to get it back
Prized Amalgam is better for Loam decks
>>46207407
It really isn'tyou retarded faggot
>>46207500
It forces you to splash Blue tho.
I don't think Blue has enought good stuff for Dredge to go Sultai instead of Jund. Red has Faithless looting which might be too good to not run.
>>46207676
You're never going to hardcast it, you don't have to
>>46202271
Unless BOTH Eye and Temple get banned, Eldrazi will still be t1.
>>46207870
It'll still be T1, but without Eye it won't be T0. Right now it's oppressive because of T1 MimicS - T2 Thought-Knot - T3 Reality Smasher (kill). Without Eye there's no T1 swarm thus no T3 kill. Modern is a 4 turn format.
>>46207870
It would probably be okay if only temple gets banned. Then they can't T2 kill and they can't T3 TKS without some other shenanigans.
>tfw Simic has not been a thing in modern for almost 10 years.
>tfw wotc will never ever make Simic great again.
>>46204999
I wonder who's behind this post.
>>46202224
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is good.
A 4-mana burn spell that hits for 13 damage sounds pretty good to me. Even with all the hoops you need to jump through, the payoff is huge.
>>46208210
Infect is simic you mong
Also modern isn't even ten years old
>>46202559
>have always hated the lore and care only about legacy as constructed
>still excited to draft this
It's a shame there's going to be nothing to immediately sell to my LGS or trade to guys for stuff but them's the breaks.
>>46208290
Extended and Modern are basically the same thing, they just changed the name really.
Also, Infect might as well be its own color as it plays nothing like something like UG Faeries played back then. It's like saying that Bogles is a Selesnya deck.
>>46208395
Yeah this is a pretty weak set for Legacy... Modern too even, although that arguably got a few decent playables that we know of.
That being said, I'm with you, I'm hyped as shit to draft this set, seems really interesting and should prove to be fun. Not every set has to have tons of cards for eternal formats, we got a decent amount in the last couple sets.
>>46208416
I remember Extended as less volatile and more interesting.
>>46208210
Bogles is simic.
>>46208589
>Bogles is simic.
>>46208496
Wut? Extended was incredibly volatile. Decks would die every time a block rotated out, and people were always happy to see new hate against the decks that stuck around.
>>46208606
Retard
>>46208589
Boggle is Selesnya.
>>46208606
Oops, I've never actually played against it, so I just guessed. Well, time to double down.
>slippery bogle
>g/u
>not simic
>>46208416
UG fae a shit.
>>46208677
While you are technically correct, the Bogles deck treats Slippery Bogle as being functionally green, as the most successful versions of the deck are unvaryingly Selesnya in their mana base.
>>46208671
Bogles is a deck, dumbass.
>>46208677
>>46208671
Is this an elaborate bait ? Bogles don't even run a single blue source you double nigger. G is always paid for casting Bogle.
>>46208416
>>46208671
>>46208677
The deck itself is exclusively W/G you fucking idiots. Learn the format or get the fuck out.
>>46208690
I'll fight you !
>>46208750
>>46208758
>>46208761
>hurr I suck cock and don't even understand what blue green fucking hybrid mana is hurrrrr.
Suck a dick faggots, you got proven wrong and now you can shut the fuck up
>>46208690
>>46208780
How the fuck is this a deck?
>>46208827
>you got proven wrong
So you're saying Bogles is not a deck then?
>>46208846
That's not UG fae tho.
This is UG fae, and it was pretty dominant back in Extended. It's terribly underpowered nowadays but it was real strong back then
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=174&d=112868&f=EX
>>46208878
Nah looks more to me like aura hex proof is a deck, as stated by an official fucking magic site you idiot
I know I shouldn't assume you can read but I'm trying to help here
>>46208977
>as stated by an official fucking magic site you idiot
Go troll somewhere else.
>>46208827
I really can't tell if you are jocking or not, I really hope you are tho because if you aren't that's quite pathetic.
>>46208977
So do you refer to Elves as Mono Green Aggro?
>>46209023
>>46209006
>>46208878
>>46208761
>>46208758
>>46208750
ITT: Colorblind Retards
>>46208950
Jesus Christ do I miss counterspell.
>>46209006
Don't even bother feeding him.
>>46209060
ITT: an idiot who declares ONE (1) U/G costed monster to be Simic, when the rest of the deck is Selesnya.
>>46209087
>Don't even bother feeding him.
I wasn't sure at first. For a minute I thought he was serious.
What the fuck happened to this place? Last year it was fine and now it's full of shitters.
>>46202224
>old thread says "use MTG Modern General"
>you put Modern General
>half the filters on /tg/ won't trigger because most people use "MTG" as the filter, because Modern and General apply to other traditional games
You're fucking stupid
>>46206248
You know. You had a compelling argument until you just spewed expletives to make yourself look right
>>46209132
>go to catalog
>ctrl+f
>modern general
>1 result
That was hard.
>>46209132
That's a shame. That's a real shame. I sure do feel bad that a MTG thread triggered you because it didn't have the game's name in the subject line. Crying shame, even.
>>46209215
Mobile isn't the same deal. Also are you and >>46209225 seriously encouraging inefficiency?
>>46209124
>>What the fuck happened to this place? Last year it was fine and now it's full of shitters.
I've played Modern for just over two years, and if I recall correctly Modern General has always been full of trolls and shitters.
>>46209368
You've taken longer to complain about something that you have no control over than the time you were set back by the thread not having MTG in the subject line.
>>46209438
>if I recall correctly Modern General has always been full of trolls and shitters.
I've been here since about 2010 and it's always been full of casuals, but it didn't have the /b/ feel that it has picked up in the last bunch of months. There's clearly an influx of some new trolls.
I'd rather those shitters stay contained in /b/ and away from here.
>>46209596
>has picked up in the last bunch of months
Perhaps they've been driven retarded by the eldrazi.
>>46210029
But anon, Eldrazi is "easy matchup" :DDD
>>46209596
Idk if you've noticed but Modern is essentially unplayable until at least the next update, so it makes sense we wouldn't be discussing anything productive.
>>46210288
Of course they're at the top of the tournament standings, but there's no way every meta is infested by competitive Eldrazi decks. Who would buy into a deck they can only play for two months? Who would buy cards they know are scheduled to be devalued by WotC?
>>46210172
I have to hand it to you, that deck looks interesting, and the sleeves are tight as fuck. Nice job.
>>46210371
>Who would buy cards they know are scheduled to be devalued by WotC
They can convert it into a tier one legacy deck. They're probably okay with it.
>>46210605
>mono white enchantments
>interesting
It's literally the most shit deck ever assembled. I refuse to believe that beat Eldrazi 2-0 and I can sure everyone here that either the Eldrazi player is either retarded or is a faggot. That deck literally cannot beat any Eldrazi on the play, he's a fag.
>>46210172
>non-matching WoG
triggered
Here's how to save modern.
>print a new cycle of pain lands for each 2 color combination
>t, pay 1 life: add (color 1) or (color 2) to your mana pool
>t, pay 4 life: destroy target nonbasic land
There, I just fixed your shitty format.
>>46210984
I like it, it makes burn even stronger.
>>46210984
So your solution to the current domination of aggro is printing a card that mostly benefits aggro and hurts every slower deck, is this serious?
>>46210714
Are you that same anon or the monowhite anon pretending to be that anon.
Either way fuck off.
>>46211116
No, my solution to tron's presence in the format is to print a card that effectively softbans tron. That would improve the format by at least 50%. Then we can work on hurting aggro a bit.
>>46211167
Do you honestly believe Tron is the problem?
>>46210371
See>>46210706
Wizards accidentally allowed a Legacy deck to exist in a Modern format that's been horribly neutered by bans. You can't play online without running into Eldrazi in every event, and my paper meta is being dominated by Eldrazi too. I know that's not representative of all metas, but there are plenty of people out there who WILL play the T0 deck of the format to win a few FNMs while it's around.
>>46211209
It's definitely part of the problem Tron ensures control can't be a thing because Karn and wurmcoil are nuts cards, and Tron has the quickest, most reliable way to getting them. Not to mention Eye of Ugin gives it incredible inevitability.
I can't wait for Eye to get banned.
>>46211167
>Then we can work on hurting aggro a bit.
You've just printed a card that strengthens aggro decks. If tron, a tier two deck, is something you're worried about, ban Eye of Ugin. That card is the reason why control decks can't compete.
>>46205103
Any skred red players who can share their opinion of the deck, its strengths/weaknesses, etc?
>>46211379
Just Play Burn/10
Too Poor for Guides/10
>>46210172
I had similar brew but in bant colors for added ramp(BoP/NobleH),detention spehere, anticipation layline and for courser and herald of pantheon.
Tho my wincon was starfield of nyx and had more Oring effects.
>>46211379
It has Skred, Blood Moons and Boros Reckoner.
It does what you would imagine.
The Pauper General just 404'ed. Why does nobody play pauper? I see DOZENS of posts on here "guize how do I makez modern deck for $75 hurr" and then they get mad when told their only good option is MonoG Stompy or super-budget burn.
The t1 decks in Pauper are $120-ish at the MOST and that's if you're playing MonoB devotion (with Oubliette) or Burn (with 4 chain lightning). My Mono G stompy cost a grand total of $30 - and is easily converted into Bogles or Infect for little money. Goblins - another t1 deck is also less than $30.
tl;dr - stop trying to make poorfag modern decks and play an actual poorfag format. It's actually fun. My LGS has pauper events every Monday night.
>>46212406
I play MonoU Delver on MTGO. It's fun.
>>46212406
Pauper is such a cuck format that even my local area has three legacy events and a vintage sunday once a month, but not a single pauper night.
They even do tiny commanders.
>>46212406
Because no one plays Pauper in paper. It's not well supported, because despite it being commons only, it's specific commons that stores don't carry, like Battle screech
I love Pauper, and I'm blessed to have a store that supports it once a month, but it's obvious to see why people play modern. Also people love being able to use rares and uncommons. Just a fact. Soul Sisters in Modern is very different than Soul Sisters in Pauper just because of the existence of Ajani's Pridemate at uncommon.
Is Soul Sister's only sideboard options against Infect and Bogles Celestial Flare?
>>46212743
spellskite.
>>46212690
A lot of people don't even know pauper exists. I've told friends about it, (who also try to play "budget" magic) and when they heard "all commons", they immediately said it was and I quote, "A lame idea for a format".
Since I'm not completely shitting up the thread with off-topic - I need Arcbound Ravager. The price seems to be slipping - if ever so slightly. Should I buy now? Some people are fearing a ban. If it's not banned - will the price of it spike back up?
>>46213199
That's another problem with pauper. People don't see the power of commons when they're just starting out. They don't look at common cards and think "Wow this a cool card." most reactions to commons, even if they're straight up broken in their own decks, like Aspect of Hydra or the Soul Sisters, aren't wild. People just think they're good, while thinking it's the rares or mythics, like Secure the Wastes or Serra Ascendant are the real cool cards.
Pauper also requires a different mindset. You need to look at cards from a different point of view, but most people don't wanna.
As for Ravager, I honestly think it's safe. The price was climbing for a while, now it's slipping to normal levels.
>>46213199
I don't think Affinity is going to get a ban. There's hate for it in every color, and every deck can beat it if they have the sideboard slots. That said, I play affinity and am emotionally invested in the deck. Affinityy will probably be one of the best decks in modern after the April bans and the price will probably rise as a result of the demand for it.
>>46204092
goryo's on upkeep, dredge your whole deck? is that a thing that could happen?
>>46213325
It's also not really newer player's fault if they think commons are designed to suck.
Oldfags know Lightning Bolt and Brainstorm beat 95% of rares in power. But newfags hear "common" and think about pretty much any piece of shit not even good in limited WotC keeps putting out because MaRo is a fag.
>>46213584
I've been playing Pauper since I was a newfag to mtg (just before RtR released). I built my first standard deck and was shocked at the prices, when I payed $9 for Hellrider and $21 for Stomping Ground. My oldfag friend introduced me - said "Hey anon, play this format! It's super cheap to get into - and just as fast as Standard a lot of times." He then showed me hes Affinity deck in action and I was hooked on the format. Without pauper I probably would have dropped out of MtG. I'm not even a poorfag, It was just damn hard to justify that kind of cash on a new hobby.
Again - to throw in an on-topic question - Are you guys expecting any SoI cards to impact Modern? So far I think Scourge Wolf could be decent in Burn (some anon said Tarfire earlier. could be fun), and that Vessel of Volatility and Harness the Storm could both be good in U/R storm.
>>46213325
I only got back into Magic during Dragon's Maze because Delver, Electromancer, Nivix Cyclops, Mizzium Skin and Artful Dodge were all commons I could build a successful deck with. Watching someone tap out for two Voices just so I could run them through with Cyclops for 22 (Dodge, Dodge, Armed//) was an amazing feeling.
>>46214056
The best part about pauper is that Rest in Piece isn't in it but Tortured Existence and Exhume are. It's a Johnny's wet dream with all kinds of graveyard shenanigans going on.
>>46214119
That was my standard deck as soon as cyclops was spoiled. Got to run Delver, think twice, I even used Inaction Junction on many Thragtusks to stall out a turn. When it rotated, I tried to make it work in modern - promptly got my shit kicked in. Good times.
>>46213584
Yeah, now it's all "Draft experience involves sifting through shitty cards" even the passable cards are usually at uncommon at the least, like Stormchaser Mage.
It sucks because people now just look to the rare in the back, and pass off the rest of the pack as bulk. I see that so much at my store. Like, I get it not every common is supposed to blow you away, but when they're all just filler, it ruins my hype for a set.
>>46214056
I think a lotta white weenie decks are gonna like Thalia's Lieutenant The problem with token decks is that they don't really produce Human tokens, otherwise I'd say it'd be an auto-include.
>>46213409
Huh. Yeah, actually that is.
Dredge might have just become viable boys.
>>46214688
the problem is what lets you win from there.
just dredge 30 cards deep and win on value?
>>46215054
The key card in this combo is Dakmor Salvage.
With any discard outlet, it goes infinite, dumping your library into your graveyard, while granting you a lot of discard triggers.
So things like
Borborgymos Enraged (works with Goryo's vengeance too!)
Zombie Infestation
Seismic Assault
Lightning Storm
I think this is a solid jund list with potential, that could one up the grishoalbrand lists.
>>46213409
You and me are on the same page. Now to figure out how to win from that point. Lab Maniac ?
>>46210288
Grinders would. Also people that were building it before the protour had the option of selling it or finishing the deck. some chose to finish it.
Fuck Adnauseam.
May a hundred infect players raid your store
>on the play
>he puts down 2 lotus bloom
>have a remand and a dispel in hand
>he plays pentid, I wait for his turn 4
>turn 4, he angels grace then ad naus. remand his ad naus, he pacts my remand
>just as planned, dispel his ad naus
>he plays another pact
He didnt even dig for those cards. Just had the nuttiest of draws
>>46215054
Shelldock isle could be something to consider. Able to get it back with loam. With a high enough density of creatures maybe win with mortal combat
>>46215503
Now that's some awesome EDH tech right there. Probably won't ever be modern relevant.
>>46215183
I don't think Lightning Storm is a card for this deck.
seismic assault seems like the best along with borby but assault makes the mana hard due to triple red
>>46215722
I think it's either Borby or Zombie Infestation for the best, and it depends on what you want to do with it. Zombie Infestation would work well in a more controlling list. Borby works well in a more all in list. Lightning Storm is better than seismic because you can actually cast it, and it's a lot harder to interact with.
>>46215873
You need a bunch of lands in your hand to make good use of it which is the problem with lightning storm.
>>46215513
>play Soul Sisters
>by the turn he can combo, I have more life than he can deal damage
>proceed to kek
>>46216055
>Playing Soul Sisters
>guy goes infinite with Finks to ensure he'll win if the game goes to time
>forgot about my two Soul Sisters on the fields
>now we're both at 15 million life
I was dying. I felt kinda bad, but he ended up laughing too.
putting together a budget green stompy deck, how often am i going to lose
>>46208496
That's not volatility, buddy. That was the format working as designed. Modern is meant to be static but their bans for the sake of freshness invalidate the whole point of the format.
>>46215513
>Not Remanding the Lotus Bloom
This is where you fucked up.
>>46213409
>>46215309
Seismic assault. Gitrog says "from anywhere." Some copies of Life from the Loam guarantee that you'll always have land.
>go to my first modern tourney at a local LGS
>people are pretty cool, decks aren't super meta aka no eldrazi
>went against delver, infect, naya
>get rekt by naya game 1 because of t2 4/5 goyf
>fuck goyf
>rek game 2 because of bloodghasts
>get rekt game 3 because of nacatl
>end up going 3-1 and get second place, only drop 2 games
>get a gideon and a kozilek out of my packs
>whole time i'm wearing myfraternity lettersto show dominance
fuckin nerds
for real, though, i like this scene. modern is nowhere near as bad as /tg/ makes it to be
I see apathy/hate for this card where ever I look, but it seems pretty sweet to me. What's the deal?
>>46216583
You're paying 3 mana and a card for an enchantment that does nothing when you play it.
It's garbage.
>>46216578
forgot to mention i was playing mono B vampire tribal
nobody expected it and it was pretty funny watching them go through their sideboard in vain trying to find something that would help
>>46216583
At best case scenario it takes three turns including the turn you play it to build up 5 damage, assuming no blockers or interaction from your opponent. Why not just play more dudes with that mana?
>>46215309
You have my attention please elaborate.
>>46216583
>and a card
Do you mean the card itself? I wouldn't typically included cards themselves when describing the card of a card.
>that does nothing when you play it.
But it does stuff later.
>>46216753
Wouldn't it take two turns, including the turn you played it? You'd have at least 2 creatures out, that's two, and the next turn you can play at least a third to attack with 3. You're ready to go. you don't even need to attack, just keep blocking things to build up counters.
>>46216753
Blocker's don't stop the effect, it's any combat damage, not just cd done to a player.
It's still bad and your other point stands though.
>>46216850
>the card of a card
the cost of a card*
>>46216850
If the third one has haste, but if it has haste then this card is even worse. What benefit does it grant that creatures don't do for the deck this wants to be in?
>>46216850
But the deck this wants to be in doesn't want stuff later, it wants it now, while the opponent can't stop it. On top of that, the deck that would run this curves out at 3, what deck in its right mind wants to tap out for a card that doesn't do anything helpful when you play it?
>>46216969
The Sphinx's Tutelage deck in standard does that right now.
>>46217005
>standard
>>46216969
>But the deck this wants to be in doesn't want stuff later, it wants it now,
If you build the deck around this card, it can survive until later to deal tons of damage. Not everything is RDW.
Is there any way of swapping the opponent's land and creature positions on xmage?
>>46217064
Shit, in the wrong thread.
>>46217097
Please explain to me what deck would run an enchantment that only deals damage and only deals damage after turns off delay? Aggro doesn't want it it's too slow, midrange doesn't want it it generates no value on its own, control doesn't want it they don't have a bunch of guys to turn sideways, tempo doesn't want it it's even slower for them.
The card is a bad aggro card, get over it.
Non modern player here. What it would take me to get interested in the format is a deck that doesnt just feel like a good standard deck or an awful legacy deck.
>>46217663
>control doesn't want it they don't have a bunch of guys to turn sideways
You don't need to turn guys sideways to get counters.
>>46217772
Bogles? Living end? Ironworks combo?
I don't really know what you mean by awful legacy deck.
>>46217784
And what low cost blockers does control tend to run that aren't walls?
>>46216583
It does nothing the turn it comes down. Also if you're hitting them with a bunch of creatures, you're probably already in a good positions. It's a win-more card.
>>46217831
Infect, goroyo's vengeance, every delver variant, storm, merfolk.
Every deck just feels really underpowered, its like bashing each other with wet noodles.
>>46217848
Why leave out walls?
>>46217881
You don't need to be hitting THEM with creatures, your creature just need to be hitting ANYTHING.
>>46217915
JotC have made it clear that modern is for the aggro players and Legacy is for people who want to have badwrong fun
>>46217934
Because the ones worth a shit don't do any combat damage.
Are you serious, anon?
>>46217915
Well, there's affinity. Modern Eldrazi is basically just a legacy deck.
>>46217942
Every time I look at the format it looks like such a great place for necro. You could have necro combo, necro aggro, necro control. Everyone would be playing necro, but that sounds fun as shit
>>46217961
Its a legacy deck in that people try to play it in legacy, but it sort of lacks everything that makes a legacy deck interesting.
I keep playing against and seeing them slam a chalice for 1 like its christmas, then just hymning them back to the stone age
>>46217981
It's a tier one legacy deck. It doesn't matter if it lacks whatever qualities that you think makes legacy decks interesting. That's irrelevant anyways.
>>46217981
Necro?! Anon that card is not conducive to MaRo's new vision for Creatures: The Tappening, get back to your containment format with all of that disgusting blue and OP counterspells
>>46217934
Yes but it you're attacking at all, you're probably in a good position. Sure it gets counters when you block, and sure, that might help you manage the board, but there are other cards that do that as well as being more versatile.
>>46217934
Chris, anon if you want to run your pet shit card run your pet shit card. No one but the most autistic faggots will call you out or make fun of you for it, but don't try to argue it isn't a shit card.
>>46202224
Modern? No.
Standard? Still probably not, but just try to stop me.
>>46218034
Its widely played, that does not make it tier 1. The huge representation on the star city circuit has led to a lot of decks ending up in the top 16, a lot of which has to do with the deck preying on storm and miracles, the two "best" decks in the format.
The legacy format is a slow shifting beast, so now we're seeing Moat in miracles and more hard removal. Now that the metagame has shifted, it goes from being well positioned to having quite a few unfavorable matchups. Shardless/certain delver builds/elves, Aluren absolutely crushes it, sneak and show is very favored. Unlike these decks that have been able to adjust to a meta where eldrazi is a thing, colorless does not have very many potent sideboard cards, or the ability to find them.
What I dont find endearing about the eldrazi deck is that it takes stompy, an archetype that wins matches with really awful cards like Sea Drake or Exalted angel backing up stuff like blood moon or moat. Eldrazi is just a pile of undercosted creatures. Thats kind of boring.
>>46217097
>If you build the deck around this card
Stop. Right here, right there. Thats where this card dies, and you can't really make any good points. You can't build a non-combo deck around a card.
Seriously, what is it with Modern threads lately? From "your deck has no win-condition" to "You aren't supposed to build decks around cards that don't win outright," people don't seem to understand the basics of card games, in a discussion thread about a veteran format. I feel like we need a /casual/ containment thread. What's next? "Hey guys check out my mono-blue mill deck"?
>>46218460
Modern is the "brewers" format. Which is to say take whatever you want to fnm, variance will get you there.
People do tend to confuse synergy with combo. If you're playing a bunch of bad cards in your deck, there needs to be good payoff
>>46202224
>Grove of the Burnwillows
>Grim Lavamancer
Are there any other easy ways of manipulating your opponent's life on demand?
>>46218685
>Modern is the "brewers" format
>Which is to say take whatever you want to fnm, variance will get you there.
HAHA THIS FUCKING KEK
GO AHEAD PLAY YOUR MONO G STOMPY AGAINST ELDRAZI AND AFFINITY, SEE WHAT HAPPENS
>>46219096
Mono G Stompy is one of affinity's worst matchups.
>>46219089
>manipulating your opponent's life on demand
It would be kinda cool if they would print a card, or like a card type, that could target the opponent and deal damage directly.
But they would probably all be crammed together in some kind of linear deck, and played by faggots.
How do we make Esper Rally a consistent deck or is it a lost cause?
Everyones talking about cool decks and shit and im just over here still playing storm in modern because dumb fucking luck is all i have
>>46215503
If there were any relevant decks where having an uncapped hand were possible I could totally see this being a thing
But as it is I would much rather prefer the option to be able to send them back to the deck, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.
>>46219089
Anything with the words damage and target player written on it?
>>46219478
Paying 4 needs to win you the match, you need 4 Blood Artist effects, 1 Aristocrat/Seer and 1 Doomed Traveler to make it. How are you getting them there?
Casual here. What are "meme decks" and why are they considered like the Antichrist or something?
>>46215942
No, you don't. You can activate lightning storm any time that its on the stack But not while it's resolving. So you discard dakmor salvage to activate it, then pass priority. You draw a card, use dredge to get salvage back, then discard it again, pass priority, repeat.
>>46219635
Ideas Unbound, Magus of the Bazaar, Hedron Crab targeting yourself, baby Jace if I want to take out a second mortgage.
>>46219700
Generally they are either home brews that utilize janky or unpopular cards or weird combo deckslike Jeskai Ascendancy
>>46219883
>jeskass
WHERE MY MEMERS @
>>46219883
But wouldn't memes be too popular decks, the ones you always see around?
>>46220059
There are bad memes too, the underground ones you groan every time you see
>>46219225
>Mono G Stompy is one of affinity's worst matchups.
I 2-0'd that shit in a PTQ top 8. Then again, I managed to get Cranial Plating online quickly in both games.
Then I lost to Ad Nauseum. Dude was packing 4 Hurky'ls Recalls in the SB.
>>46217179
>Lands in front
Could you please just die ?
>>46220059
Right.
Unpopular decks are meme decks.
Popular decks are meme decks.
Every deck is a meme deck.
Just like everything is a meme.
Except 4c Gifts.
>>46220075
Which memes make you groan anon? Where did the bad memes touch you??
>>46220120
Waste Not Storm
>>46220059
I think here on /tg/, meme deck means anything remotely recognizable...aka anything that doesn't go 0-3 drop.
/tg/, where tier 2 & 3 decks are the scourges of Modern.
>>46219700
>see something you don't like
>call it a meme
>see something funny
>call it a meme
>see something slightly out of the ordinary
>call it a meme
Literally everything gets called a meme on 4chan. It doesn't mean anything.
>>46220145
Tron is the scourge of modern though. Every non tron player agrees, fuck that deck, fuck those guys.
Seems like the usage of meme deck and memederm picked up significantly sometime around the new year. My theory is that /b/ got so bad that one or more /b/tards jumped ship and have been shitting up Modern General threads for months now.
>>46220189
Tell that to Infect and braind- i mean burn players.
>>46220189
>Tron is the scourge of modern though.
Dude, Tron is total garbage in this meta. There's a guy at my LGS who keeps trying to play it and he loses to damn near everything.
Wtf are you trying to play, anyway?
>>46220257
A bad F-22 pilot could get shot down by a Soviet MiG.
>>46220286
He's not that bad. The meta is just swamped with bad matchups. How do you not see that?
>>46220211
It's mostly me posting my memeskai deck and that one aspie who keeps raging at it.
I've made the most convoluted of memes and theres nothing you can do to stop me. see you at Fnm lad.
>tfw still need a bunch of 1/1 spirit tokens for myforbidden orchard
>>46220257
Tron just got forgotten.
Turn 3 golem is op.
I truly think that the lack of a tier 1 blue deck means that all these janky t2 decks can roam free
Thinking of getting a Trump playmat.
Trying to find some good high-res images that would print well.
>>46220816
What's the cheapest tier 1 deck in modern? Is standard actually cheaper to get into? Broke dude here. Play a lot of pauper but I want to join the big times.
>>46220910
Burn.
You can save some money and sacrifice some T1-ness if you cut out the Naya fetches. Mono-red is ~300 but probably more T2.
>>46220816
Thinking of making one of these mats for Abzan Company. Sometimes I wish Magic had more field interactions.
>>46220936
Unfortunately I can't think of many other decks that expect to have tons of permanents.
>>46220847
saw this one on le reddet, laughed
>>46221068
Would be even funnier if it said outplayed.
>>46218460
These threads used to be aggressively anti-casual to the point of absurdity. Now they help people who ask questions about the rules and such. To some extent it's even fair to say that people treat them as the the default "I have a question about magic" threads on /tg/, as people come in here with their first poorly constructed standard deck and ask how do play good. Do the math.
I wish we could have a happy medium but 4chan has always been bad at that.
It's not THAT bad
>>46225527
Nice, now I can get both Brothers Yamazaki back at the same time
>>46225527
it is, now stop memeing
Hey y'all, swinging over from /edh/ for a question.
Most of my friends play modern and I wanna get into it as well. What's a budget deck, or a deck with budget options, that I could start with? I like grindy games and flashy creatures. Tribal interactions are fun too. I don't like linear combos too much. Anything you'd recommend based on that? Gifts reanimator looks fun, as does merfolk tribal. Jund and Abzan look like my jam too, but I don't plan on spending all that money anytime soon.
>>46226269
Affinity. Artifact tribal.
>>46226269
What is your "budget"
Budget deck doesn't mean shit if we don't know what is the maximum you can throw in. Same for the collection you have.
>2016
>Still asking this question when you have mtggoldfish with all the top decks, their prices and budget decks with deck tech and vidéos avalaible.
Wtf
>>46226269
Soul Sisters, 8 Wack, Naya Allies, Merfolk
Brewing Loampox as my very first modern deck.
Looking for tips on how to improve it.
I can't afford Lili right now unfortunately.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/391362#paper
>>46227506
I don't think you should run 4 Squees with no Conflagrates
>>46227683
Well, I have a lot of discard outlets so I don't know. What would you replace Squee with ?
>>46227900
I would get rid of the Lotleth Trolls since they synergize badly with Smallpox.
Replace them with Zombie Infestations instead, that way you'll get more use out of your Squees as well.
Move Pyroclasm to sideboard and replace it with two Conflagrates
>>46226269
You could run UW tron gifts for 200$
Any modern All Spells deck?
>>46210172
>no Enduring Ideal into Omniscience or Form of the Dragon
>>46228313
Search it on youtube. Channel fireball made a video on one. But it's pretty bad since there isn't enough tools to make it work.
Okay guys this ain't new to everyone, but Dredge should definitely viable now with this new set.
The question is: How.
We can go for a standard Dredgevine list, with a reanimation package for that delicious little guy and other attrocities >>46204092
I vote BUGvine. Standard list with Hedron Crab, some number of Prized Amalgams, return of Bloodghast instead of the Fish in the deck for maximum recursion value, and the nail in the coffin with that guy.
I think Dredge is now a think. If I was you, I would get Golgari Trolls as soon as possible before everyone realises the hellstorm modern is going to be.
Can't wait to dredge out these pesky and unconscious players who never played Legacy. *evil laughter*
>>46220152
You're a meme
>>46228320
>Enduring Ideal
>Omniscience
You done goof'd
>>46228461
Boo
>>46228672
If you seriously think that keeps Dredge players from doing their stuff, you're wrong.
Only one decks mainboard Relic and it's Tron. And Tron is NOT going to have a good time with the incoming shitstorm of Burn and Infect in the meta.
On the other hand, we now have tools to survive a bit longer with Amalgam, and a surprise factor wincon with our new frog friend.
In the end, if Dredge ever becomes toptier, everyone will be so scared of it they will pack graveyard hate in their deck, and the meta will change drastically.
That's why Dredge is amazing. If dredge is viable in any given meta, it changes how the format plays. You DO NOT want to give free wins to dredge. And for countering dredge nicely, you need a little package of things, that won't be for countering Affinity or Burn.
So anon, I don't care about the graveyard hate. Sure, you will maybe slow me down, but I will slowly come back while you delayed your own plans.
Show it at me, and we'll have a nice game, you and I. I am ready.
>>46228972
What about rest in peace?
>>46228972
>Only one decks mainboard Relic and it's Tron
Lantern does it too
>>46228972
Amalgam comes into play tapped on your end step. How is that good on a turn 4 format ? I would play loampox any day of the week as a GY deck rather than this crap.
>>46229137
rest in peace is a sideboard card so it it easy to deal with as you can prepare for it. The deck just slows down until it finds enchantment removal then goes crazy.
>>46228972
I don't think frog works very well with dredge, actually. It's 5 mana and if it's in your graveyard it's useless - if you use thug to put it on top it's no longer a surprise and you have to stop dredging to draw it. And what are you going to win with? None of the cards I'm aware of that profit from infinite land discards are easily retrievable from graveyard.
If you go with the loan shell that's slightly better but you're still not going to be outracing any decks that beat you already. Mostly I feel like it just gets in the way of the loam infestation plan.
Anaglam is not an amazing blocker, either, considering it enters tapped.
>>46229205
>>46229279
For the Amalgam point, I guess you are right. But for having played Dredgevine a lot, you don't really have amazing blockers, aside from Angler or Troll ( If you have to block with Vengevine, you seriously are in trouble in the game anyway ). It's just good for the recursion value, and it is a valid reason to run Bloodghast again, and go on absolutly insane turns where you bring back Bloodghast and free 3/3's, even if it enters tapped.
As for the frog part, this is only if you run reanimation package like Goryo's Vengeance or Rites. As I said, it's more of a surprise wincon than anything, and I agree that if you get it on board, you're likely winning anyway. But it is something to consider. Though, maybe that's not the correct deck to fit it in, but I see potential.
Then again, if you run Frog, you most likely go hard on Loam package and you might drop recursivity of Dredgevine.
Overall, expect to see a lot of Dredge shenanigans, whatever its form may be. I am for once very excited we might see dredge outside of Legacy.
>>46229458
Why reanimate frog when you could reanimate any number of game ending threats that don't require another card for backup?
>>46216473
Not if the guy had two blooms
Just found this gem while lurking for another deck to build on mtggoldfish. I know it only won a modern league and it's certainly not something that would score big at major events but I just love it anyway.
Now, do you think he did well out of pure luck or is it legit good and worth building to bring at FNMs ? (I allready have the manabase).
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-esper-aristocrats#paper
>>46227506
Play Rotting Rats instead of Lotleth if you don't want to go the token route. I don't know why this card doesn't see more play in loampox, it's great in there.
Also as someone else said, get rid of the mainboard pyroclasm for something else, maybe x2 conflagrate
>>46220950
>If you can read this you're about to win
>>46230336
Alright, definitely building an Ad Nauseam playmat now.
>>46229526
Why play splinter twin when you could spend four mana on any number of game ending eldrazi that don't require another card?
>>46204752
A frog that eats the average dragon without dying feels preeeetty fucking mythic to me, man.
Not to mention that ridiculous text box.
im building a budget grixis delver deck. im feeling pretty comfortable with this list. thoughts?
Land (21)
3x Crumbling Necropolis
2x Dragonskull Summit
2x Drowned Catacomb
6x Island
5x Mountain
1x Swamp
2x Temple of Epiphany
Instant (18)
2x Dismember
3x Electrolyze
3x Izzet Charm
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Mana Leak
3x Thought Scour
Creature (14)
4x Delver of Secrets
2x Gurmag Angler
3x Stormchaser Mage
1x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
4x Young Pyromancer
Sorcery (7)
3x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions
>>46228972
Turn 2 Rest in Peace
Go
>>46230743
They might be expensive but if you go Grixis you really want fetchlands to fuel your graveyard for Angler/Tasigur and for mana fixing.
If you really can't afford them try at least x3 Evolving Wilds instead of Crumbling Necropolis.
Also, Remand might be better than Izzet Charm here.
![Abrupt-Decay[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FUjG0aO.jpg "Abrupt-Decay[1].jpg")
>>46230844
This
I've had URW Control for a while and I've been wanting to transition for this
>>46230903
I do have the fetches but Im building this for a friend how has a budget of $100 approximately. You are probably right about Evolving Wilds being better in this deck. Remand is definitely better but that adds another $15 at least to the price of the deck. I thought Izzet Charm was a fine replacement because of the looting mode for feeding the yard.
>>46230613
There are no 4 CMC Eldrazi that end the game, and the only reason Twin isn't still a deck is because it's literally unplayable.
>>46231077
>There are no 4 CMC Eldrazi that end the game
Clearly you haven't played against Thought Knot Seer.
>>46231043
I've seen some decks running this and they aren't half bad.
>>46231004
hehe
>>46231097
A 4/4 doesn't win the game by itself. Hell, half the time it's just free card draw.
>>46231107
I've been thinking of deck lists to go with it and they don't sound terrible
Also, upcoming Anguished Unmaking makes me want to play Esper too
