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Underrated outsiders edition: who's your favorite crew to rep since the devils/daemons/demons sold out to Big Evil?
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Old Thread: >>46178541
Post pictures of halfling females that dont look like potatos
Fourth class to compliment, Inquisitor, Witch, and Ninja?
>>46188629
>>46188640
3pp or no?
>>46188629
Forgot to include an image
>>46188629
Make a charart thread, anon.
>>46188589
I'm fond of aeons and qlippoth.
>>46188640
Answer is always wizard.
How does this low level mook look?
Mysterious Abductor CR ½
200 XP
Male Human Steel Fisted Commando 1
LE Medium Humanoid (Human)
Init +0; Perception -1
Defense
AC 16; Touch 10; Flat-Footed 16;
HP 11 (HD)
Fort +2; Ref +0; Will -1
Offense
Speed 30
Melee Axe Knuckle +3 (1d6+2)
Ranged Sling +1 (1d4+2)
Maneuvers (readied):
Brawler’s Attitude
Pommel Strike
Flurry Strike
Shards of Iron Strike
Stances:
Iron Hand Stance
Statistics:
Str 15 , Dex 11, Con 10, Int 9, Wis 8, Cha 12
Base Atk +1; CMB +3 (+5 w/ Disarm & Trip) ; CMD 13
Feats: Improved Unarmed Strike, Improved Disarm, Improved Trip, Discipline Focus (Broken Blade)
Skills: Knowledge Martial +3, Survival +3, Intimidate +5, Profession Soldier +3; Racial Modifiers
Languages: Norish
SQ
Duelist’s Gambit (Ex)
Sweeping Gambit (Ex)
Combat Gear: Axe, knuckle (2), Chain Shirt, Alchemist’s Fire (2), Sling, Bullets (20), Potion of Cure Light Wounds (1)
Other Gear: Explosive Collar
Explosive Collar (Ex)
By pulling a pin in his collar the creature can activate a small explosive. All creatures within 5 feet of the mysterious abductor the following round must make a reflex save (DC 11) or take 2d8 damage, save halves
>>46188607
Do we have a Death playtest doc anywhere or anything?
>>46188643
Those are gnomes.
>>46188652
No 3rd Party Material
>>46188643
Man, the one on the left's eyebrows remind me of some shitty SNES RPG I played forever ago, and I can't remember what it was.
>>46188629
New thread same question: What would you do to have fun with 900 GP at the start of your adventure?
Be more creative than 'Buy a cr4 combat tiger for 500 gp'
Had some good suggestions last thread
>>46188674
>Those are gnomes.
Fine.
>>46188656
Full Casters are pretty boring. And there's already a Witch, the party would fall apart if something got the jump on us at low level
>>46188673
You realize people from your game post on 4chan, right?
>>46188678
Alchemist.
>>46188705
>gnome
Fuck off, degenerate.
>>46188719
>full casters are pretty boring
>no 3pp
Ok, cuck. Try a magus or alchemist or some shit then.
>>46188673
thx for letting us know what's coming, familia
>>46188640
Someone tough and possibly stealthy.
I suggest a Scout Battlelord, Daevic using the stealth boot veil, or a Steelfist Commando Warlord.
>>46188705
what a qt
>>46188749
>>46188730
I'm not using this for a game with people on 4chan though?
>>46188774
That's cute.
>>46188589
I love both the Divs and Asura. They need a lot more support.
Yet we keep getting more and more ultra specific Demons and races like the Sahkil and Manasaputra that would be better as types of Kyton or Angels.
>>46188674
From what I know, few of those playtests are ready for public playtesting, but from what I've personally seen, Death is shaping up to be REALLY good.
>>46188719
No 3PP? Still gonna suggest one of you guys spend the 2$ for The Ultimate BattleLord PDF and run Scout Battlelord.
If you choose not to make that worthwhile investment then I guess you can run a Slayer, Unchained Monk, Daring Champion Cavalier, or Summoner.
Tell me, /pfg/, what's your favorite fantasy setting? Is it a published one, a home-made one, one modified from a fantasy series? I don't have too much experience with them, I've only played a bit of faerun (without all the god npcs running about, thankfully!)
>>46188818
Nova wasn't a particularly shitty designer, just super inconsistent.
>>46188692
Bunch of dumb SoL magic items. Trick coins, sleeves of many garments, origami swarms...
>>46188640
Bard, ranger, paladin, bloodrager, barbarian, or slayer, perhaps? Kinda depends on what those three you've got are doin'.
>>46188847
Eberron.
>>46188818
Hmmm...
Alright then. I'll take your word for it. For now.
>>46188847
To run? My home setting, mostly because it's canon that questioning inconsistency causes the player to take damage as they get slapped, so I can get away with a lot of bullshit.
General fantasy setting? I've always loved the setting for the Riftwar books
Reposting from last thread, need some advice on gameplay for my vivisectionist:
>>tfw my DM won't let me buy high-level potions so no alchemical allocation/+5 barkskin shenanigans
What potions are best to use with alchemical allocation? I was thinking as high a level of barkskin as possible, heroism, and greater magic fang.
Any other ones I missed? I'll be using infusions of bull's strength and enlarge person in poisoner's gloves on my monkey tumour familiar, whilst necking a bountiful bottle (move action because of accelerated drinker) and mutating with master chymist as a standard action (assuming it's a standard action). I'll be drinking the high level potions I bought with alchemical allocation for longer-lasting buffs.
Should make me a combat monster, especially since I'm going vivisectionist. I could use invisibility instead of enlarge person, which would allow me to hit with sneak attacks on my natural attacks thanks to feral mutagen.
>>46188348
Greater invisiblity is a 4th level spell, so cannot be made into a potion.
>>46188679
OH FUCK IT WAS PALADIN'S QUEST fuck that game.
>>46188905
I can't say much, but I can say that it veers into clan Tzimisce Territory.
>>46188826
DM just flat out wants no 3PP.
>>46188749
>>46188730
Tried alchemist before and it was alright. Don't know if it would fit well with what we've got. Casting is covered by the Witch, and all that.
>>46188882
Paladin sounds pretty good. I just realized we're lacking a party face.
>>46188936
>Greater invisiblity is a 4th level spell, so cannot be made into a potion.
>summoner 3,
wrong
>>46188960
Was it really that bad? I mean, those ARE some pretty triumphant eyebrows.
>>46188974
I have no idea what that means.
>>46188908
Run, play in, want to run/play in, any!
>>46188692
A farm and a massive amount of animals for that farm
Offer a farmers family the clearly better house and livestock and shit for free if they give you a cut of their profitsDuring downtime have good wholesome dinners with the family and talk about lifeGo on a murderous rampage and become the BBEG when someone burns the farm down and rapes everyone because CE
>>46189000
Autistic way to say body horror and transhumanism.
>>46188992
That requires a summoner to take Brew Potion though.
And otherwise means that the alchemist this is in reference to won't be able to make them themself.
Tell me, what do you think of the psychic armory writeup here? I'm not 100% sure that I wrote in the correct combined interpretations for everything, since the archetype writeup is a little handwavey.
http://pathminder.github.io/classes/soulknife-high-psionics-psychic-armory/
>>46188986
Paladins can do face duties quite well, and it looks like you guys are looking for someone to handle the full-BAB stuff.
In my opinion, Paladin is probably the best first-party full BAB class, so yeah, I'd recommend that.
>>46188993
It mostly suffered from being pretty generic and grindy, honestly.
Also the character portraits looked super weird.
>>46189000
>>46189020
Also has fuck-all to do with what you'd expect "death" magic to do.
>>46189020
So what, become the deadmans? With freaky deadman things?
I will say I like me the sounds.
>>46189000
Not sure if this is what they're talking about, but Tzimisce are an eastern european bloodline of vampires. Their powers include fleshcrafting, which means they can modify creatures to make them better, worse, battle ready or permanently disfigured.Apparently they got this from aliens, but that got retconned!Known uses for fleshcrafting are schlatza, body transformation, and citadels of fleshand being eaten by the clan sire because vicissitude is actually them making their way into every vampire to eat them from the inside out when they get hungry enough.
>>46189049
Holy crap, what they feeding those things?
>>46189092
Anime.
>>46188986
I suggested some non-3pp classes to fill the meat hole.
Read more than 2 lines.
>>46188847
>>46188847
Ravenloft and Eberron of the D&D-branded stuff. Honorable nod to good ol' Mystara, though I'm disappointed by how much of it is just transplanted earth cultures.
Can my cavalier mount be a larger sized humanoid?
Brawlerfag here, whats class has the best synergy for a level dip to gain access to long arm and enlarge person? I'm thinking a level in transmuter then buying pearls of power later seems good but I'm open to better options that doesnt involve another person casting it on me.
>>46189282
...you can ride a humanoid, yes, but you can't have one as a class mount.
>>46189282
No, not on the list, but you can ride one, yes.
>>46189295
Get an item with those as constant effects?
>>46189295
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/longarm-bracers ?
>>46189055
I'm cool with it if it's like, replacing parts of yourself with undead shite and such.
>>46189304
>>46189316
>Why does the bard have ranks of Ride?
>Dont ask
>>46189295
Alchemist? You also get a Mutagen for an additional stat boost, plus your choice of Bombs or Sneak Attack. Also Brew Potion, so you can make your own potions of those spells and have them always available.
>>46189387
The problem with the bracers is that they require a swift and only last one round for a total of three times a day.
I'm also considering just plain buying pots to drink which may end up costing the same as a couple of pearls of power throughout my career till I can afford to get a permanencied enlarge.
Are gnomes the interbreeding product of dwarves and halflings?
>>46189455
correct. You iwll have to carry potions of reduce personwhen you get enlarge permanent.
Also premanent enlarge is only 2500g I think, really a steal
>>46189539
No, faggot, get your magical realm out and read their actual backstory.
>>46189560
I can only imagine the anguish that I would feel when the party gets nailed by an area Greater dispel only for it to be dispelled when the enemy rolls a 3 or something.
>>46189594
I don't want to read another quirky little people race. Is there anyone that actually gives ANY shits about gnomes?
PATH OF WAR EXPANDED IN THE TROVE WHEN???
>>46189650
No.
>>46189666
Why hello Satan.
How would you make this guy?
>>46189690
blind skeleton with scythe and leather armor
>>46189690
...how would I make Zyphus, a god?
>>46189690
I'd make him out to be edgy.
>>46189690
I'd give him +5 to Bullrush against enemies at the top of stairs.
>>46189690
First party options, probably some kind of bloodrager or barbarian.
Third party, I'd be personally inclined to go with an Unquiet Grave (Lords of the Night)/Mithral Current focused Harbinger (both Path of War: Expanded). Unquiet Grave for the undead-alike qualities, Mithral Current and Harbinger because something about that picture says high mobility striker with a proclivity towards dancing on the corpses of his foes.
>>46188856
I dunno. His work for DSP was pretty shit. Maybe he's just learned something?
>mfw almost all of the homebrewed alternatives to the base Homunculus Companion that I've come up with are full of retarded, overcomplicated gimmicks
>trying to simplify things leaves the results feeling like they're bland and/or effectively just straight upgrades from the base
>not sure how to retain flavor while making the weaknesses worthwhile
I'm trying really hard to not make something that's just "hand your companion a longbow and call it a day", but I just don't know what to do with this. Shit's fucked.
>>46189690
I've been pondering a reaper character of some kind.
More specifically, I pondered making one using my as-yet unwritten rewrite of Magical Child.
Because cognitive dissonance is fun.
>>46189666
Give it a week.
>>46189802
The class was pretty ok, had cool abilities.
Its not like he's making a class
>>46189650
Why are all the little people so fucking quirky anyway?
>>46189947
>The class was pretty ok, had cool abilities.
>Its not like he's making a class
gg
So who here has played through this adventure module? I find the concept and all the rules and stat ups for things like landmines, machine guns and mustard gas fascinating, but at the moment my game group has several campaigns already planned, on top of needing to work through the earlier parts of the adventure path, so I'm probably not going to use it any time soon. What did you think of it if you did, and has anyone adapted the rules for modern weapons and troop combat into a homebrew game of any kind?
Hey guys, I just may be in a CotCT game soon as a Wilder, and I need some info
Who is the Trinia I keep hearing about? Which book us she, and how far into it? I heard something about catching her, so should I grab a speed option or something?
>>46189952
Because apparently "rural English" wasn't a good enough racial identity in the minds of other fantasy writers. I guess maybe the association between tiny people and fey might account for it in some way?
>>46190050
>asking for spoilers
Kill yourself, metagaming nigger
>>46190050
Just play the game, man. You'll figure it out. Enjoy one of Paizo's better efforts.
Alchemical Trapper, Sapper, or Trapbreaker Alchemist? Galvanic Saboteur or Trapper Ranger? Some kind of trap-based Rogue, since I think there's an archetype or something that lets you add your sneak attack damage to traps?
>>46189991
To complete my thought
The class had cool abilities, but had a lot of other problems. Abilities not meshing, for some the class was OP, ect.
For individual talents, like in Spheres, he'd probably do better.
>>46188589
Kytons, I'm a fan of Hellraiser. Asuras and Rakshasas are cool too, but I'm not sure why we need two races of lawful evil outsiders from Indian mythology.
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>>46190094
Okay. I'll trust you guys.
I was building for Elocater to make a Tidus clone anyway before the GM said what the AP would be.
I'll just build what i was planning originally and see what happens
>>46190169
Sleeping Goddess was a fucking mess though, even if it had some neat ideas. Shit execution.I haven't forgiven Forrest for removing the capstone 9th, even if the replacement she wrote is also cool.
>>46189690
Whoops, forgot to link >>46190153 to the correct post. Also, the class that adds sneak attack to traps is the Aspis Agent (or Guild Agent) at level 3. That's also the class that can apply a dirty trick and then trigger it several days later.
>>46190232
What was it originally?
>>46188847
I kinda like the 'Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon' anime setting.
>>46188589
Rollin' with the Elementals all day erry day.
>>46190169
That's a possibility.
On the other hand, Spheres is already a project plagued by internal balance problems and, from everything I've gathered, really lacking management. It's an environment where his worst excesses have a lot of free roam.
Why do we even play this system, lads.
>>46190325
Because I have fun, why else?
>>46190325
I'm too stuck in my ways to learn another system!;-;
>>46190325
Properly?
Without taking it too seriously.
>>46190325
In my case? Literally 'no one will run anything I actually want to play' combined with 'my own life is way too unstable to commit to running the things I'd want to play'
>>46190348
I will teach you, senpai.
>>46190183
I don't mind the doubling up there, since there's a significant enough difference between the extraplanar invade-to-fuck-with-deities asuras and the native infiltrate-to-fuck-mortals rakshasa.
I'm more annoyed by the oni, as they're way too close the rakshasa, but don't even have a clear identity as a group (can have any evil alignment, have variants for every race that don't actually work together, etc).
I suppose kami have the same issue with regards to good outsiders, but they get a pass because it's not like anyone ever gave a shit about the kami anyway.
>>46190363
>I will teach you, senpai.
But I have neither the time nor the players willing to learn rules either!
>>46190325
Because, for all the balance issues, trap options, and other shit that really should have been allowed to die with 3.5, it can be really fun.
>>46190372
Kami are weird, they can be TN, LN, NG, or LG. Mostly committed to certain goals rather than a certain morality.
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>>46190419
YA DONE GOOFED.
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>>46190278
So overly complicated and verbose that it literally cannot fit into one post.
>Battle in Dreams
>Sleeping Goddess (Boost) [Mind-Affecting]
>Level: 9
>Prerequisites: 4 Sleeping Goddess maneuvers
>Initiation Action: Swift
>Range: 100 ft.
>Target: 1 creature
>Duration: Instantaneous (see text)
>Save: Will partial
>At the pinnacle of the Sleeping Goddess discipline, its masters do not do battle in the physical world at all. Instead, they draw their foes into their dreams and attack the very underlying concepts of their being, subverting or maiming the essence of their minds. When you use this maneuver, you create a demiplane of dreaming and transport yourself there along with one foe. The demiplane appears functionally identical to the general area the two of you are located in with strange alterations - blood might appear to rain from the sky, or a titanic tree might appear to hang in the sky. Within the dream, you and your foe have difficulty maintaining your physical forms, taking on metaphorical or symbolic shapes (you and your foe might become warring city-states, or you might turn your foe into a mountain range and yourself into a river wearing the mountain down to dust).
>Upon activating this boost, you take one full round of actions; your targeted foe then takes one full round of actions. While battle in dreams is in effect, creatures outside the dream are invulnerable to creatures within the dream’s attacks and spells; creatures within the dream cannot target such creatures with any attack or spell. During these dream rounds, you gain a +1 circumstance bonus on all attack rolls, damage rolls, ability checks, saving throws, and skill checks for every 6 initiator levels you have, as the dream contorts to always grant you an edge. Neither you nor your opponent may recover maneuvers in the dream.
>>46190278
>>46190470
>At the end of your foe’s dream turn, you each return to your original conditions and locations, and you resume your turn as normal. Resources expended in the dream remain expended in reality (such as maneuvers, spells, and magic items), but otherwise only hit point damage and ability damage either of you does to the other transfers into reality - to outside observers, wounds simply appear out of nowhere. All other actions taken in the dream, such as changing stances, applying helpful and harmful conditions (like a haste spell or stunning an opponent), healing, or changing the environment (like wall of stone) revert when the dream rounds end; your foe inherently understands these restrictions.
>Augment You can augment this maneuver in the following ways:
>For every 6 power points you spend, you gain an additional +1 circumstance bonus on attack rolls, damage rolls, ability checks, saving throws, and skill checks during your dream round.
>If you spend an additional 15 power points and expend psionic focus, any movement you and your foe make is preserved after the dream ends. In addition, your circumstance bonuses and your foe’s penalties remain until the beginning of your next turn.
I like the idea of "personal reality bubble to battle in" but this was a SHIT execution.
Hopefully they write a better way.
>>46190363
>I will teach you, senpai.
Actually fine, what game should I try to learn?
Can somebody explain what exactly just this hubub over Elric is about?
>>46190419
>>46190461
Reminder that that particular breed (amanusya rakshasa), in addition their obvious fluid druid qualities, specifically target pure-hearted young men.
They then breed new amanusyas who resemble their human parent as closely as possible, and who will proceed to seduce their own fathers into selfcest and incest 3+somes.
>>46190470
>>46190489
Wow. Fluff-wise, sounds a bit Exalted.
>>46190535
Some guy got super autistic and Elric misremembered something. Shit ensued.
>>46190325
My friends don't play anything else.
>>46190540
Christ, that's some straight-up MGE shit right there.
>>46190505
I mean, that depends on what you want.
If you don't want to stray too far afield, Fantasy Craft is pretty fun and OGL so it's vaguely similar to PF (although a lot of the core system assumptions are very different - iteratives don't exist and spells work on a spellpoint system, for example)
There's a whole mess of ruleslight stuff you could learn if you want something easy and fast to run.
If you wanna try something different, there's a bunch of different systems out there. I like Infinity's RPG for cyberpunk future stuff, one of the old Marvel Universe RPGs is my favorite supers system, there's always GURPS!
If you wanna go full weeb, Tenra Bansho Zero is pretty awesome.
>>46190587
>MGE
NO
NOT AGAIN
I DON'T WANT TO REMEMBER
>>46190600
I WANT TO LEARN! What's MGE?!
>>46190617
Magical Girl: Evangelion.
It was a popular running spin-off manga where Rei and Asuka become magical girls.
>>46190470
>>46190489
I notice that they spent time saying you can't hurt people other than the one you pulled in with you, DESPITE saying you're going to a fucking demiplane and they aren't there anyway.
>>46190617
You sweet summer child.
>>46190632It's pointless lying to him.
>>46190632
I kind of wish it really was that now.
>>46190632
That reminds me, I should watch Fate/Kaleid
>>46190548
It was basically a Reality Marble but executed really badly. Shame, because I loved the idea.
>>46190632
Shit, I actually want that.
>>46190325
Because the alternatives are even worse.
>>46190552
So just a regular day here on /pfg/, then? Cool.
>>46188643
>it wasn't enough to rip off D&D, Piazo also had to rip off WoW
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>>46190796
uwot
>>46190535
DSP got caught lying. Shit ensued. Apologists and shills like >>46190552 continue to ignore and lie to suppress the bad press.
>>46190832
So just a regular day here on /pfg/, then? Cool.
What are some spells / magic item that will help boost my spellcraft check?
My 10 INT Cleric become the party wondrous item crafter, because the Magus and the Alchemist are all "But.. m-muh melee feats".
>>46190868
Custom magic items can (generally be made) I believe it's the bonus squared*1000, so a +10 would cost 10,000, +20 would be 40,000 and +30 would be 90,000. You could always try and convince your dm to let you increase the price of the lower items to make them a different bonus type so they stack. As long as you're not an incantatrix that shouldn't be too broken.
>>46190832
A guy on DSP got caught lying and then got reprimanded.
>>46190540
I read that doujin.
>>46190680
Me too. Maybe right after I finish Jessica Jones.
I have to admit, I really like The Hellfire Compact, the first book of Hell's Vengeance. Wesley Schneider comes up with enough reasons to get an evil party to work together, but I'm really satisfied by his use of the NPC village folk, reusing them in multiple scenarios, giving them enough personality and making it so that being a mega-douche to them isn't as easy as you think it will be. While you do feel a little sorry reading about what happens to them, you are outright encouraged and rewarded for doing so. Still, the adventure gives you a lot of leeway, a ton more than normal APs do.
In a normal AP, the players are expected to kick in the door and murder everyone because they're Evil, but in Hellfire Compact, you can play around a lot. You could murder every person you lay eyes on, but that would not just upset your boss and turn the town against you faster, but you can choose to have multiple solutions. You can kill them or, as agents of the Baron, throw them in the stocks/jail for some public humiliation. You can shake them down and force them to pay you to let them off with a warning or just beat them senseless to teach them a lesson. It doesn't make assumptions on how you play and gives a lot of freedom. Langacre could be a pristine gem of your tyrannical rule or a flaming wreckage by the time you get done with it, your choice. And it doesn't try and make you feel guilty with heavy handed maudlin tactics.
There's so much opportunity to play, you can go through the game feeling totally justified for your dick-ass behavior.
>It's not my fault the innkeeper has to be executed, he's aWereboarafter all. He's a monster!
The final boss, the Angel Knight, is probably the best thought out villain for a first issue AP since Nualia.
I'm looking forward to reading the rest. I have high hopes in Rob McCreary.
>>46189690
Make him what? He's a deity. Let him keep doing his thing Pharasma, geez.
Hello /pfg/! Long-time lurker, first-time poster.
I just wanted to ask what are some cool classes to play in Jade Regent? My DM's eager to try that AP out and it looks fantastic!
>>46190325
Just to suffer?
>>46190994
What all is available? Core only? paizo only? 3.5? 3pp? What position do you want to try to fill?
>>46190994
Hoo boy, tell him to not use the caravan rules for starters. As for classes, try taking a look at the 6th level casters (Alchemist, Bard, Mesmerist, Occultist, etc.), those are generally a good balance of power and "not raping the game".
>>46190994
There's a lot of chillin' outside so you might actually be able to get away with Samurai/Cavalier. Ninja is also setting-appropriate. Other than classes that are shitty in every situation I don't know what to tell you. What do you want to do?
>>46190911
hmm.. I was hoping for something like Armillary Amulet. It's 2500gp for +5 spellcraft, but it's the only item I knew.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/amulet-armillary
>>46190831
>>46191028
He's open to all Paizo material, and is kinda new to the system itself (he DMed 3.5e for a decade) which makes me want to suggest Path of War to him because hey, that's just like Tome of Battle!
As for what I want to play? I don't really know, there's something about travel and a lot of things related to relationships, I'm thinking of playing a swordsy type to get in good with Ameiko.
>>46191055
Gotcha, will tell him on Skype when I get the chance.
>>46191060
Ooh, Cavalier sounds good, I've always been a fan of fighting types with heavy armor.
>>46190911
>>46190868
Actually... Can I use Cyclops Helm on my spellcraft check? That's would be an equivalent of +10.
>>46191122
You're embarassing yourself, lurk moar.
Tell me GM fampais, what enjoyment do you derive from running an AP? The way I see it, most GMs use them as training wheels to practice before running their own story.
Is it for the ERP maybe? Or just for the opportunity to witness how bad/good the players make of each situation?
I GM myself of course, but only use my own stuff and derive most of my enjoyment from the tactics end of combat where I control varied groups of units vs PCs.
I'm looking into playing a tiefling that dual wields repeating crossbows. I would be taking five levels in gunslinger (bolt ace archetype) for dex to damage and better crits. I'd be using my tail to reload the crossbows.
A) I know the build is suboptimal, and whilst I'm looking for it to be fun I don't want to be completely useless in combat. Will I be at least moderately useful I.e. tier 4?
B) is there a way for me to get iterative attacks whilst dual wielding repeating crossbows?
C) would it be better to use heavy crossbows or light crossbows? With TWF am I right it would be -2/-2 for light and -4/-4 for heavy?
D) what class should I go into after gunslinger?
>>46191097
Blizzard ain't the first to do things with long eyebrows ya goddamn fool. It's hardly original.
>>46188960
>>46189049
>>46189136
>>46191122
cavalier is shit
>>46190994
>>46191122
Dune Drifter Cavalier. Be a westaboo cowboy in weaboo land.
>>46191243
In my experience, the "Training Wheels" and "Watch How Bad/Good the Players Make Everything" interpretations are pretty spot-on. Haven't really done any ERP myself, in an AP or otherwise, so I couldn't say whether or not that's interesting.
>>46191237
Yes, Cyclops helm is essentially a take 20 once per day.
>>46191306
>curly tentacle eyebrows from a JRPG are the same as the rigid WoW Elf eyebrows
Paizo Internet Defense Force hard at work.
>>46191243
For me its about not wasting time building stat blocks from scratch and running a group through a theme adventure they want to try out. For someone with a full time job, it's a amazing time saver. I get to focus on RPing more than combat and the players spend more time interacting with the world and each other than waiting for their turn to come around.
It also has appeal of seeing how players react and deal with set scenarios which they then go on to share in story form with other players. Back in the day, a lot of people could relate to each other after playing through the same modules and their 'We Did This' stories.
>>46191340
Thanks! I should be aiming for that first! Good things it's super easy to craft too.
>>46191376
Yeah, here's me springing into action to defend Paizo from any slight on the internet.WotC had elves with long eyebrows too.
>>46191243
I use them to DM when unprepared. Because you can't trust any group's REAL DM not to bail.
>>46191241
>>46191317
>>46191309
So Cavalier? Gotcha, I'll be making one right up.
>>46191376
Not him but I think it's more that you're giving WoW way more credit than it deserves. Everything they put in as design and lore is a shitty cliche with tons of prior examples and a particularly excessive ripping off of D&D and warhammer.
>Endless Current
>You channel the momentum of your attacks into a leaping dance, allowing you to maneuver across the battlefield with every blow. After initiating this boost, you can move up to 10 feet as a free action without provoking attacks of opportunity each time you make an attack until the start of your next turn.
Does let you move 10 feet whenever you make a counter too?
>>46191423
That is a very sensible attitude, and it pains me that we live in a world where it is.
>>46191548
>After initiating this boost, you can move up to 10 feet as a free action without provoking attacks of opportunity each time you make an attack until the start of your next turn.
Assuming the counter allows you to make an attack.
>>46191572
But can you take a free action when it's not your turn?
>>46191598
Ah, good point. No, you can't, then.
>>46191598
Yes.
>>46191423
So what you're saying is the "real" DM is the alpha Chad, and the DM forced to pick up the mess is the beta boy you "settle" on?
Makes sense, they get all the enjoyment of people begging for their DM dick and bail when it goes from fun to obligation.
>>46191598
You can, depending.
The wording of the boost is "until the start of your next turn", which implies that it can be used when it's not your turn. Otherwise it would be "until the end of your turn".
>>46191598
No, but Paizo rules text often forgets this anyway.
>>46191673
No idea what your talking about, But that wording is just to make it clear that it lasts through everyone elses turn that round, but is not up for your next action. Not that you can use it any time.
Usually.
>>46191673
Free actions can't be used off-turn, though.
>>46191704
I'm talking about Endless Current.
If it wasn't intended to let you move during others' turns, then the wording would be "until the end of your turn". This is to allow AoOs and counters to let you move around.
>>46191673
>>46191699
The answer is these two together. Devs just forget this all the time, so while strict RAW is "you can't", the intent in this particular case is made clear just by the fact that it lasts until the start of your next turn instead of the end of your turn.
>>46191765
Well I know they're watching and cleaning it up for the print version, so I'll assume it'll be fixed to the RAI.
Quick question /pfg/, how does the frequency of our shitstorms compare to other /tg/ generals? I think teeg on the whole is vulnerable to bait, but I doubt our ability to stay on topic/ change our opinion or stance on something/ other good discussion habit.I can only hope that this post doesn't fuel some fire or another.
>>46191765
This is what I figured.
>>46188818
Is that Alan Moore?
>>46191836
/pfg/ is probably one of the most autistic generals on /tg/.
Nowhere else will you get the degree of creepy waifu discussions, blatant name-fag masturbating or asspained anal-rage over minor issues we have here, and unlike other threads that reach our level of autism nothing productive comes out of it.
>>46191875
Ive only been here a dayGonna play for the first time this fridayand it seems decently on topic and one of the more fast moving /tg/ threads ive been in.
>>46191836
Everyone who posts in this thread is a lean mean meme machine, a troll has nothing to work with. What are they going to do, post2hoos? Yes.
>>46191875
>he hasn't seenJumpchain threads
My sweet summer child.
>>46191895
Watcha playing, anon-kun?
>>46191933
Core+Advanced+Something Armory and that's It i think. Gonna be the first time for like 3/5th the party or something like that
If you meant class, Cavalier because it sounded like fun. I was asking earlier if I picked a dumb Tactician thing.
>>46188643
>look at watermark on the left
"Oh, it's just somebody's deviantart"
>glance over to the watermark on the right
>mfw
>>46191971
Paizo outsources most of their art from deviant-art.
>>46191985
I mean, it's not like it's bad for an artist to have up samples of their work, right?
>>46191714
Some free actions can. The important part about free actions is that they usually occur as part of another action, so for example you can draw an arrow (free action) and fire it as an AoO if you have Snap Shot, even though it's not your turn. You can't take free actions that occur by themselves like dropping a held item unless it's your turn, although that's always up for debate.
In this case though, you get a free action to move as part of an attack, including AoOs.
Have you ever reached that point in your time playing Pathfinder where you just stopped giving a shit?Have you ever reached that point in a campaign where you literally stopped caring about the plot, or the party?
>>46191985
That explains the Spellslinger, I suppose.
I can't decide what to buy for my magus with 12000 GP left to spend. I'll probably set aside some portion of it for scrolls, but I already have the Big 6 covered and am not sure what else I should buy that I can afford. Suggestions? I have Scribe Scroll and Craft Wondrous Item, but I'd preferably like to do more than just make a bunch of scrolls and pearls of power.
>>46192118
I actually like the spellslinger picture...
>>46192127
>Suggestions?
A tavern.
Call it the Musty Magus, and make a custom pair of brews you call the "Spellstrike" and "Shocking Grasp."
>>46192110
The party yes. The plot not really. My GM always keeps the plots interesting, but he is say too eager to accept new players that need to be handheld, and change their characters views all the time. I've often just stopped caring about them because they weren't good characters.
>>46192118
aww, I always kinda liked that one
>>46191912
Not him but I've only ever hidden those threads.
>>46191901
Raymoo is best cleric.
>>46192127
Cloak of the Motherfuckin' Manta Ray?
>>46192185
>Raymoo is best cleric.
Reimu is an Oracle, not a Cleric.
Cleric implies wisdom.
>>46192152
>Musty
>Not Lusty
Missed opportunity, Anon. Especially if you have a magus in the party whose likeness you can copy for the tavern sign.
>>46192234
Every world must have a tavern called the Lusty Siren.
It's a rule.
>>46191875
I just wish people were more willing to give in an argument. I hate seeing the fanatics from both sides of the PoW shouting match stonewall each other, but I should be used to the internet's ways by now.
>>46192257
I ran an item shop focused on necromancy called skeleton in a barrel. Named it after diablo.
>>46192152
My character's already got some money tied up in one "business" (he funded the creation of a new mage's school in the local area and occasionally teaches there when he can spare the time), so I don't think he can manage to run a second one and still find the time for adventuring and shit.
>>46192200
Seems cool... But we rarely have to deal with large bodies of water, let alone salt water specifically. Besides, I've already got a Cloak of Resistance. Combining them would be pretty expensive.
>>46192234
>>46192257
Let's be honest here, are Magi more prone to being lusty, or musty? Because I've seen plenty of Maguses in my day and they were all old or surprisingly chaste.
>>46192118
>Feet are too well drawn for Wayne Reynolds.
>Shoes are not ridiculously pointy enough for Carolina Eade
Story checks out.
>>46192303
Well that's what happens when you drop CHA, nobody wants you. Now, that doesn't mean they have to be chaste, just that they're usually pumped and then dumped.
>>46192206
Why is Momiji so cute?
>>46192303
Yeah, but that's what makes it funny!
>>46192257
I always name mine the Saucy Siren.
>>46192257
The Broken Drum:
>You can't beat it!
The Mended Drum:
>It can't be beaten!
>>46192234
>Musty Lagus
>>46192303
Clearly you haven't met many whip-wielding Bladebound Maguses, then.
>>46192355
The Black Blade needs to be a one-handed bladed weapon, anon.
Whips don't count.Oh my god I just imagined Suishen from Jade Regent encouraging his wielder to shack up with another PC because "he's getting dull in the long years and he wants grandchildren, god dammit."
>>46192392
One-handed SLASHING weapon, anon, not bladed.
>>46192343
The Fatty Sausage
>You can't beat our meat!
>>46192319
Except that that actually IS Carolina Eade's work.
>>46192355
>not Bladebound Kapenia Dancer Magus
It's like you don't want to be able to perform magical belly-dancing with your snarky/flirty talking scarf
>>46192334
>>46192303
>>46192327
Why don't we fix that? What stats, race, build and other fluff are needed to make the ultimate lusty magus?
>>46192582
Eldritch scion!Or just take that old 3.5 feat that let's you trade your casting stat
>>46192602There was no 3.5 feat for it. It was from a shitty 3pp.
>>46192644
Wasn't it in one of the dragonlance books? Though probably not the one with the actual WotC symbol on it.
>>46192602
>Implying lustiness comes from charisma.
I'd argue it's a component of Constitution and Willpower.
>>46192698
So wait, does this mean kineticists are super lusty?
>>46192602
Or Mindblade, since it's a marginally less shitty archetype
>>46192728Well they're certainly easy to get into bed since they knock themselves out.
>>46192698
I mean, at least CHA is important because it helps you satisfy your lusts.
>>46192319
Got a problem with pointy shoes?
>>46192728
The lustiest, anon.
When you're the worst class in the system you gotta have something going for you, and that something isgreat stonkin' tits or gleaming chiseled abs.
Uh, there is some spell that simply allows my whizzard to look cool, edgy and menacing, like making his face become a demon skull or something?
>>46190470
>>46190489
IMMORTAL TRUTHS OF THE SLEEPING GODDESS
Discipline: Sleeping Goddess (Strike) [mind-affecting]
Level: 9
Prerequisites: Four Sleeping Goddess maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee or ranged attack
Target: One creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Standing at the pinnacle of the Sleeping Goddess discipline’s students, you have the ability to share your beliefs in a way that no others can. By making contact with your opponent’s mind and soul, you can open a dialogue, communicating your respective ideals instantaneously and debating their merits. Make an attack. If it hits, it deals an additional 10d6 points of damage. If this damage would reduce the target to 0 or fewer hit points, you can attempt to convert them to your way of thinking, clashing beliefs in a brief moment of spiritual contact. If you do, you and the target make an opposed ability check, with you using your initiation modifier and the target using its Charisma modifier. If the target succeeds, they take damage as normal, potentially killing them or knocking them unconscious. If you succeed, the target is instead reduced to 1 hit point, and their attitude towards you and your allies changes to helpful.
What are some classes that scream "I use scythes" I kinda want to make a reaper character now.
>>46192777
Prestidigitation
>>46192790
Harbinger.
>>46190470
>>46190489
>>46192780
This is not a compulsion, nor is it forcing the target to follow your orders, but rather the result of a spiritual conversation that took place in the instant of the strike. The target now understands your beliefs and ideals and either believes in them as well or respects your belief enough to be unwilling to oppose you. Regardless of whether or not the target succeeds on their check, you gain a deep understanding of their own beliefs and ideals. While you have this maneuver readied and unexpended, you automatically know the current hit point total of each creature within your melee reach.
Augment: You can augment this maneuver in one or more of the following ways:
• For every power point you spend, this strike deals an additional 1d6 points of damage. For every 2d6 you increase the damage by, you gain a +1 bonus on your ability check.
• If you expend your psionic focus while initiating this strike, you ignore any immunity to mindaffecting effects the target possesses.
>>46192790
Harbinger.
>>46192790
Harbinger
>>46192791
Well that was fast.
let me check it out...
>>46192777
There's a cantrip that can do that. Fey something.
>>46192582
Suli Kensai with a nine-section whip
>>46192790
>>46192796
>>46192805
>>46192817
What these guys said. If you're stuck with just 1st party, I suppose Spiritualist works too.
What class combination would sufficiently emulate a mafioso? Not the big papa at the top but one of the guys doing the work. Intimidating, tough gun-user.
Gotta be Gestalt, too.
Ideas?
I've got too many different ideas to narrow one down, right now.
>>46192780
So, Defeat Means Friendship?
>>46192830
Fey something, ok
>>46192860
Slayer/Gunslinger.
Maybe a Brawler/Gunslinger.
>>46192860
Quick question, 3pp or no?
>>46192887
On an approval basis. GM's p chill about things.
DSP, SoP, Interjection Games and Kobold Press are blanket-OK.
>>46192499
Does that actually work?
>>46192830
You mean haunted fey aspect?
considering that gives you DR1/iron is not bad for a cantrip, but the other one seems more useful
>>46192918
Okay then
Savage Technologist/Desperado Warlord
That should do it.
>>46192939
Kapenia Dancer and Bladebound are stackable, and Kapenia treats all Bladed Scarves as one-handed slashing weapons. By RAW, it seems to work.
>>46192953
No shit prestidigitation's more useful, but it can't duplicate the effects of other spells so you might want to get both depending on how anal your GM is.
Would it be viable for a Good-aligned character with high diplomacy skill actually don't like/distrust people in general? Due to childhood issues and sort.
>>46193093
Pump your Sense Motive and it's not only a great mechanical benefit but justifies the way you want to act.
So, lads, been trying to make a dragon disciple sorcerer as not-shit as possible. So far it looks like nagaji/suli, crossblooded Draconic/(abyssal or orc), eldritch heritage for pit-touched, maybe, if you want that +Con. Usual buff spells, natural attack build. Am I missing anything?
