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>>46178541
>Best orcs edition
You have something against pig orcs OP?
>>46178570
I got you family
How do you make your Bard good? I'm struggling.
>>46178682
You get to choose your alignment on character creation.
>>46178541
For an Orc character, what classes actually work well for them? Any of the Path of War classes?
>>46178720
Real cute m8and mind control is the most evil kind of ability, Bards should be any nongood
>>46178753
Orcs should go to their DM and ask to houserule that they only get penalties to two chosen mental stats, not ALL of them. It inflicts a retardation stereotype and makes all the orc tribes' shamans a laughingstock.
>>46178640
I think Crossbow still isn't very good in that system. Readied action to -maybe- damage and stop the opponent on the condition that they move is kind of worse than just doing guaranteed damage before they have the chance to move.
Crossbows would still only see use by things like wizards who have run out of spells, or people in the surprise round on ambush, or NPCs designed to guard places.
>>46178682
Archery.
>>46178805
Orcs should only get a penalty to one chosen mental stat, with two they're still a net behind other races.
>>46178570
Oh so you just want to continue from last thread. Not a problem.
>>46173587
>No alignment restriction for any class
Barbarian
>DR 1/- starts at level 3. Rage goes up to +6/+6 at 7th level
Bard:
>Inspire Courage increased by 1
Cleric
>Pick any domains you want and make up a god, no one cares about Golarion.
Druid
>Bears are not Small, what the fuck man.
Fighter
>4+Int skills, choose a good save, choose your own damage attribute to use for basic attacks. Prepare all your combat feats every morning.
Paladin
>Take a hit for any close ally as an immediate action. Get Bard spell progression of the Paladin list and 2 domain lists.
Ranger
>Gain Bard progression casting. 5th-6th level spells are all non-elemental Druid spells of the same level. Favored Enemy bonuses scale in +3 increments. Gains all creature type knowledges in-class. Can make any knowledge-check-identified creature a Favored Enemy as a move action.
Rogue
>Roll up to your level in different skill checks at the start of the day, and anytime you make that check later (however many times you want) you can choose to use the morning roll or roll manually. Can swift-activate a 1-round Greater Invisibility with 2 round breaks, or consecutively if you don't mind becoming fatigued/exhausted.
Sorcerer
>Move your whole spells known chart up by 1 level. Just put a "1" directly above every "3" on the Spells Per Day chart.
Wizard
>You don't get a good Will Save. Your bonus feats must Spell Mastery, a Discovery or [Reserve] feats (from Complete Mage). Not item creation or metamagic.Non-specialists gain 1 bonus spell of their highest level, like Elven Generalists used to get.
Monk
>Cannot take hit point damage unless prevented from moving.
>>46178852
The Overwatch Style chain is being recommended for a reason (creating relative lockdown scenarios as a result), but yes it's primarily for making crossbow standoffs actually work. What I didn't want to do was make them win the damage pissing contest with styles that focus on them; Bows and THF can keep their crowns as damage kings. The objective was only to create niches and scenarios where it is not *always* better to go that route. They don't have to be as good since they require different levels of proficiency and investment to work at their new jobs.
>>46178911
What the fuck are you doing?
What would your current PC do for love, /pfg/?
Could their efforts top Jhavhul, who spent a thousand wishes aiming to resurrect Xotani the Firebleeder, just so he could fuse himself with it and become HOT enough to get in the pants of the Elemental Lord of Fire?
>>46178911
Uhhh.... what kind of campaign are you running?
'bout the only thing I like is the 'no alignment restrictions'.
Does PoW or Psionics have ways to lessen the nauseated condition to sickened on yourself? Immunity, maybe?
I'm trying to build an ultra-tank and I need ways to purge/ignore debuffs.
>>46178911
Now then, show us on this doll where the bad wizard touched you..
>dozens of characters, builds, and concepts I want to try
>I will never get to play 90% of these in any game, let alone in a good game
So how's everyone's games going?
>>46178640
I think I'd add mounted combat to the list of feats that can be granted as bonus feats
>>46179421
Counters. Usually they're set up to allow you to negate the effect before it even occurs, though there's a few that allow you to suppress or remove conditions after the fact.
There's also the feat Riven Hourglass Rewind, which allows you to suppress ongoing conditions by expending maneuvers.
Also worth noting, by RAW, nauseated allows only move actions, so by the strictest reading you can do literally nothing except move while nauseated. Not even free actions.
>>46179440
>dozens of characters, builds, and concepts I want to try
>I will play all of them in a half-assed setting with a self-railroading party that kills any kind of non-combat, non-plot advancing, or even quasi-amoral behavior.
>>46179421
Scarlet Throne has Sanguine Perfection, which allows you to suppress negative conditions for a number of rounds equal to your initiation modifier. If the condition's duration would end in that time, you remove it instantly.
What's the reason behind Unchained monk not being able to mix with older archetypes unlike the other Unchained classes?
>>46179749
P A I Z O
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>>46179749
Because fuck you that's why
>>46179749
The rules explicitly stating so, because both the abilities and base chassis of the UC Monk is almost totally different than the Core Monk.
As far as I'm aware, the only Monk archetypes that are compatible are Hamatula Master and the new ones from Ultimate Intrigue.
Also maaaaybe MoMS, but that's kinda iffy both RAW and RAI.
I think some anon made an unfinished homebrew conversion doc for UC Archetypes. Want me to see if I can find it?
>>46179824
Four, I think, there's a monk of the mantis, the chakra monk from occult something, and the two from UI
>>46179749
That's just what happens when you switch from static class features to a select-a-power system. Not that hard to reverse-engineer the old archetypes to fit, but to make that official would require them all to get reprinted.
>>46179749
Fuck weebs, that's why
>>46179824
Officially no archetype printed before Unchained Pathfinder works with Unchained Monk, it says so in the book.
>>46179913
That is what I said
>>46179913
That's because the archetypes that do work with UMonk are from splatbooks, which the core line devs prefer to pretend don't exist because they don't have direct control over what goes in them.
Okay, I'm aware of the bloodforge stuff being worked out with weapons, but are there any mundance enhancements for weapons, and what about special non-magical items?
Are there any archetypes or other options that bring Brawler or Slayer up to tier 3?
>>46179975
Or because they were printed after the Umonk came out, either or.
Im playing a Cavalier Halfling, I have Rich parents and were starting at Level 3, But we only get a minimal gold.
I took the Wolf Mount but is there something I could have taken better or more interestingto RP with?
>>46180027
PuttingRPin spoilers just makes me assume you're looking to take the knot at every opportunity.
Path of war expanded on the trove when?
>>46179440
I'm considering adopting the old 'It's an MMO' trapping purely to justify running a game for folks where GMs and players can rotate and play a new concept every couple of sessions, for those of us with tabletop alt-itis.
"I figured we'd need a tank for the raid, so I rolled up a Zwei Sent, guys"
>>46180058
Well the Halfling and her Wolf or whatever equally sized mount will probably be sleeping in the same tent but I don't plan to MENTION that sort of thing.
>>46179996
Eh, not particularly, I don't think. Still, they're both fun classes-shouldn't be too hard to make something enjoyable and useful, unless your party is full of assholes who exclusively pick t1s and play them to invalidate other characters at every opportunity.
>>46180027
Construct Rider. Robo wolf.
>>46180082
The only issue I'd have with that is the pain it is of creating a new character. Though, I do like the final fantasy approach of being able to have every class on the same character.
>>46180165
>being a Construct Rider with something as lame as a wolf
>not taking Monstrous Mount and creating MECHA-GRIFFON
>>46180230
Well, you aren't required to reroll if you're happy with what you're playing.
I just want a game with a premise that's more friendly to me when I decide halfway through a campaign that I'd rather be playing something different. It always feels awkward to try and write out or suicide a character just to have an excuse to play a new one.
>>46180082
That could be fun, though it feels like it would lose some of the fun of the character if it's playing a character in a game, when playing your character... in the game. Unless it's like one of those silly anime hyperrealistic MMOs, which could be fun.
Though, if it gave me a chance to try that retarded Synthesist|Psyarm build, or even just DSP-anything? I'd be down for that.
>>46180283
The hell is going on in that picture.
>>46180302
The basic idea I had is that everyone would be a 'player' on the MMO, so you'd have a consistent characterization to work with 'behind the screen' so to speak. But since it's an MMO, there's an easy excuse for 'oh I decided to respec'.
And yeah obviously it's an MMO as interpreted by anime, and it'd definitely be DSP friendly - one of my ideas was that the various Martial Traditions could literally be, like, NPC factions in the game, the way lots of games have Rep systems/daily quests for groups.
>>46180322
Well, you know how ships would have figureheads of naked women and such?
And I mean, you wouldn't expect the constructcrafter business to be THAT different from shipbuilding, but since the final product's running on magic instead of physics, there's a lot more room for expression...
>>46180165
I googled it and that looks like I would have to take alchemist stuff? I'm bad at this game so bear with me
>>46180283
Thx for image, reported anyway though sorry senpai
>>46180403
Yeah, it's an alchemist archetype. It's only really worth it if you like the idea of riding a customizable robot. Which I do, at least.
>>46180932
I like the Idea but I don't know if I'm ready for Alchemist, And I think we really need a good frontliner. Which I don't know if Alchemist can do.
>>46180952
Beastmorph Alchemist is excellent as a frontliner
Oi, DSP lads.
When's the playtest on your system?
>>46180952
The best way to get better at the game is to dive into the deep end. And yes, alchemist can do frontliner stuff quite well thanks to mutagen and related discoveries.
Zweihander warder/harbinger gestalt y/n?
>>46181054
Meh. If you just use harbinger to access new disciplines and become Int-SAD, it can work okay, but I'd recommend you be absolutely sure which disciplines/maneuvers you want.
>>46180952
Alchemist can absolutely be a frontliner. Mutagen (which you can pick up again with a discovery after swapping it out) is basically turning yourself into Mr. Hyde/Hulk Jr.
Plus there's vivisectionist alchemist, which swaps bombs for full sneak attack progression, which goes great with having a pet, since you can flank everything.
>>46180999
>>46181014
Well, Construct Rider specifically prohibits the alchemist from getting mutagen, even as a discovery.
>>46181086
True, but mounted combat is still great for frontlining, since you stop worrying about armor slowing you and you can dual-wield lances. Especially with Spirited Charge. You'll still shit out damage by the bucketload.
>>46181054
Psion//Warder or harbinger may work better. That way you can use your manifesting for buffs or as needed when they're necessary.
Looking through Ultimate Psionics again, seriously who thought that that Noral race was a good idea?It's like somebody tried to make the trill from Star Trek but decided "hey, instead of a hot chick, I'll make the default look for this race that ugly advisor guy for Jabba the Hutt! Brilliant!"
>>46181172
Are you crying that the race looks ugly? Why do you care? Are you that big of a waifufaggot?
>>46181172
>"hey, instead of a hot chick, I'll make the default look for this race that ugly advisor guy for Jabba the Hutt!
That's actually a positive though.
Personally, I can't stand the Maenads and the Elans. They're just so dull and boring. The Xephs too, to a lesser extent
>>46181188
>Not being a waifufaggot
disgusting
>>46181237
Sometimes you need shit-tier races to make waifu races even better.That's why kenders aren't completely awful, they make other races better in comparison!
>>46181254
>spoiler
Kill yourself, kender-lover.
>>46181237
Just to make sure, you understand ironic shitposting doesn't make you anything other than filth?
>>46181281
>Kill yourself, kender-lover.
That's completely ignoring the point of my post!
Need some help with planning RP for a character, /pfg/. How would you model the activities of a person who intentionally spreads toxic philosophies?
My group uses the Unchained background skills, which gives me access to Artistry (Philosophy), whose basic function is essentially the same as Perform.
My question is more in how you'd portray someone who earns money by means of philosophy in a D&D setting. I'm thinking something along the lines of spending time in salons or schools, debating with intellectuals and then earning money by being a good enough debater that they want you to write down your ideas for them to read later? Or would some kind of "I'll bet you a silver you can't convince me" be more likely?
>>46181295
Using the phrase"kender aren't completely awful"is a quick way to lose friends and bring shame upon your household, regardless of the context.
>>46181331
It doesn't change the fact that the lower the bar is everything else seems better in comparison!
>>46181312
>intentionally spreads toxic philosophies
Why not pic related?
>>46181312
How do people earn money by means of philosophy in a non-D&D setting?In all seriousness, I think your best bet is to find some rich, stupid patrons who need you to provide them with contentious opinions so they can sound smart at social functions.
>>46180347
This is relevant to my interests, but I have an important question: Will the MMO have a "main story" and/orwaifus?? If yes, will it take the modern MMO route of "every player is the main character of their own playthrough" or sticking to the Anime open-world interpretation?
>>46181312
Do some research on the Greek philosophers. They weren't exactly intellectual paragons like people think they were. They were thinkers, true, but they also fought, argued, and acted like dicks with amazing frequency. It was Plato, I think, that used to be an actual wrestler and occasionally fought people who disagreed with him. I'm not entirely sure that's the right name, but I know there was a guy like that. Diogenes of Sinope also made a point of being frequently rude and sarcastic.
>>46181404
The basic idea I had was that it was in sort of the hybrid style of most MMOs these days - an open world for social interaction and stuff, but plot events and dungeons and stuff being instances with plot-lines that focus on the characters. Sort of Guild Wars-esque. The NPCs are basically 'actors' who take up the appropriate roles in the plot whenever an event starts but also might just be found out in the world whenever the party isn't dungeon crawling.
>>46181516
I'm in. When do we start?
>>46179054
>What would your current PC do for love, /pfg/?
He's willing to die for the ones he loves, but you know what? Dying's easy, he's willing to *kill* for the ones he loves, and is willing to live for them.
>>46181435
Ah, Diogenes. Now THERE was a philosopher.
>>46181172
I don't know where to put them in Golarion myself.
>>46180058
>Not taking the knot at every opportunity
>>46179054
Im not playing yet but the only thing she loves is her Mount so far. So a hell of a lot.
Probably not quite that much though.
which monstrous humanoids can get pounce?
>>46181615
>BEING A DEGENERATE
the order of Bard-a-dins disapprove.
What is the mostFunThing you could do with 900 Gold at starting level?Bonus points for something that provides interesting rp instead of 'buy a cr4 combat tiger'
>>46181803
But bardadins are for lewd anon they would so very much approve.
>>46181615
>Halfling taking the knot from her mount
>Its just another way to ride
>>46181820
Bardadins are the purest this is canon i'm sorry.
>>46181836
In your headcanon sure.
>>46181810
A mule and cart full of every mundane supply you can think of.
>>46181849
but i'm the OG bardadin player, and Livia is pure!
>>46181803
>not playing a chosen one bardadin with a well-loved magical companion
>>46181849
Bardadins do give the best headcanon, it's true.
>>46181810
>Tavern: 910 gp
>Mill: 660 gp
>Monument:360 gp
>Shop: 550 gp
>Smithy: 730 gp
Pick your poison.
>>46181810
850 chickens and 50 commoners on retainer to help carry and herd all of them.
>>46181810
Hire a bard to spread the word of yournon-existentdeeds.
>>46181810
Hire 100 people to act as a chorus line and backup singers wherever you go.
>>46181901
I actually really like this idea. You arrive in town, The villagers have heard of you.
Its not bad things for once.
>>46181868
And I'm Eliminster posting from my magical Weave Computer. Now jump onto my enchanted Wizard Dick
>>46181868
What happens on the road, stays on the road, anon.
Besides, Livia's husband would certainly appreciate her knowing a few tricks for their wedding night.Like spinning, that's a good trick.
>>46181945
Don't you have an adopted daughter for that, though?
>>46181964
... Spinning?
>>46181977
It's a dank /tv/ meme.
What does your adventurer wear when having to talk to nobles at boring parties?
How many weapons do they have hidden up their dress?
How many Gnome Rogues?
>>46181977
It's a good trick
>>46182023
wew lad why is Jojo ripping off Naruto?
>>46182023
How do you do this in Pathfinder?
>>46182002
Is it? Figured it was like a sex version of Chun Li's Spinning Bird Kick, except not upside-downunless both parties REALLY know what they're doing.
>>46181900
Just buy 900 gp worth of commoners, and make them all have chicken infested.
>>46182041
Refluff magic missile or some ranged PoW strikes.
>>46182021
It really depends on the character and region, but I'm a sucker for fur trim, half-capes and layers.
>>46182034
To be fair, JoJo based it off of an actual mathematical concept.
Naruto just did it because it was a good trick
>>46182041
Paladin with Startoss Style and Tempest Gale
>>46181371
More like pic related tbqh
>>46181398
>>46181435
My problem is that it's goodly religious communities she wants to pick on in particular. I suppose tailoring her philosophies to the rich neutral assholes of said religions would do, but trying to pick fights would probably just get her arrested and ignored.
>>46181977
>>46182043
Dank memes aside, it's always a good idea to know how to be something more than just a dead fish on your wedding night, gotta make it something to remember, you know? Not saying you gotta actually find a man to show you the ropes, but a book or three on the subject wouldn't hurt.
>>46182021
His normal attire. He's a clown. He'd rather talk to the servants and dig up dirt on the hosts and guests than actually talk to the hosts and guests, and being treated like a harmless buffoon makes that easier.
>>46182055
>500 commoners
>each one has a different trained animal
>>46182170
Isn't that basically a circus?
Be a Bard and run a circus.
Have you ever played a lewd campaign? Like not just ERP but with lewd stuff being allowed but not the focus
>>46182134
Sounds like something ripe for hilarious misunderstandings and embarrassment-maybe they run into their pastor at the library, or end up losing the books and having to replace them, or accidentally getting pages stuck together and attempting to pull off bizarre half-maneuvers that lead to someone with a bad sprainpossibly in a very intimate area.
>>46182351
Sure, I'm pretty sure those are normal. Adventurers have sex drives like everyone else, and with all the stress and magic, more motive and ways to indulge it. Generally I just fade to black it or try to work out how some particularly strange thing might be achieved.
For example, after the whole tears to wine thing got dragged into sexual fluids by /pfg/ and pretty much everyone who read it, desu, someone wanted to try and make it into a business. The logistics problem is mildly interesting, and the scandal if anyone ever found out the intellect-boosting mead someone sold by the barrelful was transmuted jizz is worth a good laugh.
It does risk accidentally running into the players' magical realm, though. I try to avoid mine, since the point is to make it not ERP or focus on the lewd stuff.
>>46181435
>diogenes
he always cracks me up
>>46182372
Don't forget the Bardadin will be well-beyond the scope of normal human limitations by the time she's bedding her husband, a totally normal human. She's going to be a semi-immortal divine champion with pipes that'd shame a siren by campaign's end.
>>46181516
>tfw you're doing this with your irl group
>tfw you think you're ripping off SAO and Overlord
>tfw you for the first time watch Log Horizon and you realize your campaign is a copy if that game except instead of Japan it's Ireland
>>46182487
Overlord was a fairly big influence on my ideas too (the original idea was 'what are NPCs up to when the PCs are away')
>>46182452
>bardadin needs to get three or four husbands to satisfy her +30 Fortitude save
>>46182511
I marathoned it last night and thought while it was good, the animation was somewhat low quality, really liking Log Horizon so far.
Bard-a-dins are not for autism!
>>46182638
I really like Log Horizon because it avoids the "generic self-insert is the best ever" trend of the other MMO anime.
Like, Shiroe & co. are good players, but they feel like they succeed through teamwork and strategy rather than just having main character status or being higher level than everyone else in the world.
>>46179996
Brawlers are t3 anon, just get martial training.
>>46182452
This makes me want to see something with a lady cleric follower of Shelyn and/or Erastil, settled down with a normal family and engrossed in the role of a loving and thoroughly submissive wife, despite having like 10 levels on her husband.
>>46182825
>implying women aren't the true bosses of the household
The man may put on the pants and bring the bacon, but it's always been known who truly runs the show
>>46178911
I like it.
Doesn't go far enough for fighter / rogue.
I've got the trip on since I don't want to mislead anyone, but I was going through stuff on the paizo forums and saw this thread where a couple of PoW fans were writing up stuff about Path of War in Golarion. Anyway, it looks cool and since I can't really participate I thought I'd share it here in case anyone else wanted to contribute.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tjaf?PoW-Origins
>>46179749
Paizo hates monks in particular.
So, uh.
Cavalier (Standard Bearer) 1/Brawler (Exemplar) 4/Battle Herald 10/Brawler +5
If I'm looking to buff the rest of my party with inspire courage and similar effects, but not use spells, this is about as good as it gets, right?First party only because my DM is a big blubbering vagina.
>>46182924
That's because 2d10 base damage is broken.BROKEN!
>>46179996
nope
T3 pretty much requires you to be able to do something unique or special
"deals damage" or "uses combat feats" doesn't bring anything new to the table
>>46182864
Yeah, but a burly warrior-woman who can shatter skulls with her bare hands being all sweet and demure around her hubby sounds cute.
>>46180071
this
>>46182951
>T3 pretty much requires you to be able to do something unique or special
What? I thought t3 was having an answer to a wide variety of situations.
>>46182864
>not topping from the bottom
>or bottoming from the top
>something mixed up like that
>>46182964
Well, that I can agree with.
Reminds me of my own mother
>>46182864
>>46182982
Reminder that small Dom/large sub is patrician.
Alright /pfg/ tell me about your Homebrew Races and how they interact with the various different systems?
Personally, I was thinking of making a race based loosely off of Phrynosoma, including their pineal "third-eye" gland and make then into a race of desert dwelling natural psions
Inner Sea Faiths spoilers when???
>>46183145
Saulot is going to kill them all.
>>46182825
Why's it gotta be about the submissiveness? Why can't they be a loving couple built around mutual understanding and respect? The wife wouldn't be domineering, but she shouldn't be a quiet thing either.
>>46183189
Erastil's original fluff, maybe?
>>46183176
No idea who that is, and a quick Google says it's a WoD thing.
Care to explain your statement?
>>46183289
Saulot created a line of vampires that displayed a third eye thanks to one of their powers. Eventually they all got accused of being demon worshipers and mostly wiped out.Of course Saulot is the one that took over the body of the one and then accused them of being demon worshipers, and likely made the baali, which were vampires with powers to consort with demons. Probably because he got bored of both, so he had them killed off and rerolled a mage vampire.
>>46183393
Interesting. If I didn't already have plans for the race, I'd include that in the Lore.
Actually, you just gave me some fun Fantasy racism fodder to go off of. Thanks anon.
Have another Phrynosoma
>>46183514
OWoD gets a lot of crap for it's metanot undeservedbut it's great for some cheesy and over the top stuff.
What do you think of PC races with strong sexual dimorphism, like the lashunta?
>>46183767
I like them, gives you a reason to play a man or woman rather than an amorphous Adventurer blob.
>>46183767
I wish there where more. Maybe not so much with widely varying stats, but definitely races with noticeable and unique gender dimorphism other than "Blizzard Syndrome"
>>46183514
Fun fact for everyone: the lizard from the laughing lizard meme is a Phrynosoma Solare, commonly known as the Regal Horned Lizard. He certainly does seem to have a regal chuckle
>>46178911
Its a start. No need to nerf wizards that hard. Like your idea with the fighter/rogue, but you might also give the fighter something like DR /- based on how heavy their armor is that stacks with other DR /-
For me I usually look at some of the summoning feats for Druid and make them more sane. Why do the druids need to give up augment summoning to give a template again? Why cant they take the feat that gives them access to unicorns and treants?
>>46178911
>Monk
>>Cannot take hit point damage unless prevented from moving
I literally can't decide if this is stupid overpowered or very pointless.
>>46183991
Why not both?
>>46183991
Well will the monk still be able to contribute? They are a monk after all.
>>46182918
>http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tjaf?PoW-Origins
COMMENCE THE CHARGE. SHITPOSTING HOOOOOOOO.
(not really, but you should be careful about linking that kind of thing here)
>>46183991
It's just poor design in terms of its actual effect on gameplay. If they can pump their saves and CMD they can do whatever they want anywhere. It creates situations where the party just sends in the monk alone because he is at no risk, even if he's super slow at getting it done - like an even MORE boring "we starve them out" solution because you still have to roll the dice like 40 times solo. Also it makes a lot of existing features into non-features, like AC bonus and Evasion.
>>46182918
>crashing tempest founded by Cayden's drinking buddy
>for use with Rapier and Tankard
Perfect
>>46184104
Thanks for the heads up. Just thought it'd be nice to share some people doing interesting work, since I like seeing players use material I wrote.
Does anybody have a copy of Scions of Stone?
>>46184175
Usually /pfg is nice enough, but it is 4chan after all. All it takes is one bad day and then you discover you made /d/ aware of the existance of another forum.
I want to play an ulfen Zweihander sentinel
>>46184216
Yes, quite a few people have apparently bought it.
Playing with the idea of a Magus Eldritch Scion into Dragon Disciple, but the way the Bloodrager and Sorcerer bloodlines stack (or rather don't) make it a bit awkward. Assuming I could convince my GM to have DD's Blood of Dragons count for Bloodrager levels instead of Sorcerer, would this be a decent build?
Also this build would probably be used in an ongoing campaign, so it would start at lower levels and progress throughout the game.
Elric telling a bold faced lie.
2 other archetypes were added to the document after they "scrapped" Mirrored Soul
3 Prestige Classes were added
To say it came up too late is a falsehood.
>>46184434
Eldritch Scion is absolute dick.
>>46184228
I'm playing an Ulfen Zweihander Sentinel, they're very fun! Best part is with the Ulfen Guard, you can explain one being in any nation of the Inner Sea.
>>46184453
What you see as the order of things released is not the order of things we received. The prestige classes were already being worked on and tested in private, and the archetypes had already been completed but not shared.
What are some good four man party compositions? No core rulebook/3rd party allowed.
>>46184541
In terms of playtesting theres no difference between those two. It doesn't matter how complete something is if it isnt available to playtest and Mirrored Soul was available to Playtest well before the above materials.
>>46182433
Not really what was meant by that post.
>>46184553
Arcanist, Warpriest, Alchemist, Hunter. Spells for everyone!
>>46184553
Kineticist, Investigator, Slayer and Arcanist.
>>46184457
Then what do you suggest instead?
>>46184613
Honestly? Bloodrager is fine.
There is a guide though https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmswe4jHDb1Vcm3oQME3mxUelX_WzKbQ8r9_1mwQS6M/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1
>>46184553
Four kineticists with different elements.
>roll a caster finally because they're overpowered as fuck
>after a couple sessions realize you'll never do anything cool because the only thing you do all the time is standing there shooting stuff
>never risk life
>never go toe to toe with danger
>never struggle
Damn. casters are shit
>>46184584
It is different. Things go through both private and public playtest. If the private playtesting is already started/completed, then that's an entire set of work that needs doing that's already finished. What we had that was already ready or partially vetted receives priority over newly incoming material.
Space had to be assigned to Prestige Classes, space had already been set aside for archetypes. What you see is only part of the process involved in writing a book.
>>46184675
Why would you lie like that.
>>46184553
Witch, Alchemist, Summoner, Oracle
>>46181910
Until someone higher level decides you are an appropriate challenge for a fight
What feats should I give an archer at 7/13/15 HD, to fill out a build that already has the standard stuff up to Manyshot and IPS?
Said archer is an outsider advancing by racial HD, who will eventually be Huge but can change shape down to Small, for whatever that's worth.
>>46184696
As someone who has been around since the start of the playtest I remember several occasions where you or Gareth "pumped out this archetype over the weekend," so when did internal playtest become a thing?
>>46184680
I learned that when I tried playing a non-blaster caster.
Mages r dumm.
>>46184680
Which class? How are you playing them?
>>46184763
We learned it was necessary over time. Internal Playtesting was also frequently started during that "weekend" we were pumping it out.
>>46184729
Martial Training.
>>46184553
Four Alchemist's, all with different archetype(s). They're all members of a failing Alchemist's guild.
>>46184796
Paizo level excuse to drop a well written archetype.
>>46184768
Its simply overpowered
>>46184784
Arcanist
simply put, i can easily kill, or disable with sleep, stuns and whatnot every fucking thing without effort, and choosing teleport as starting class feat means i can't be cornered by fucking anything
>>46184553
Four synthesist summoners.
Man, it sucks how dependant the Skald is on the rest of the party.
For a party of mostly casters/partial casters, should I go Spell Warrior or Urban Skald?
>>46184255
I'm looking for the PDF. I can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere to get a feel for what's added.
>>46183767
>>46183860
>>46183813
Would you play a member of a dimorphic race where the females are lizardfolk or wyvaran-like and the males are non-PC-playable dragons that the females can potentially select as familiars/animal companions/special mounts?
>>46184941
>nobody will see thru my bestiality bait
>>46184868
I'll keep this in mind sometimes I just want to be extremely overpowered, what were your starting spells?
>>46184941
Absolutely, that sounds like my kinda jam.
>>46184867
You seem to be under the impression that we are going to, or already have, abandoned the prospect in its entirety. This is not the case. Discussions were had, decisions were made and Ssalarn, who wrote the archetype, was involved in them. The decision was to cut the Mirrored Soul because of concerns that it would need more playtesting and vetting than we felt we had time to perform. As such, we decided not to include the archetype and you'll notice that there really was no additional feedback given on the archetype shortly after it was proposed.
As I said in the initial post where you accused me of being a liar, we haven't entirely abandoned the Mirror Soul. There are a lot of options we were exploring that couldn't be fit into PoW:E and we've always intended to continue the product line. Picking fights over it isn't going to make that a more appealing prospect though.
>>46184867
What did you expect? These people are hardly any better than the Paizo staff.
>>46185010
>Picking fights over it isn't going to make that a more appealing prospect though
You've pretty much abandoned it and are now threatening to throw away the proverbial carrot if people complain.
>>46185033
[Let's GO!]
>>46184941
I'd play scalie Ferra/Torr, sure. Not gonna play an adult female because that's just fetish bullshit.
>>46184941
>females are lizardfolk or
That's neato
>males are non-PC-playable dragons
A bit strange, and a tad rough, but workable
>females can potentially select as familiars/animal companions/special mounts?
Stop. Do not pass go. That's too far
>>46184975
I would tell you but i don't have the charsheet with me, and i don't know the local language/eng translation of some spells
Tell me about lizardfolk in golarion /pfg/
I've seen psyarm referenced in the last few threads. What exactly is that?
>>46185035
I'm just saying, after making a gigantic asshole of himself in the ACG playtest SKR did actually take a lot of the feedback into account by the final release based on all the changes his classes recieved.
>>46184585
What did you mean, then?
>>46185087
nerd entitlement at its finest
>>46185181
And now he's gone.
>>46185167
They're boring culturally but very solid as martial-oriented PCs.
>>46185118
Okay, I was out when >>46184941 described it, but now I'm super in.
>child-sized wyvarans with a -2 Wis
>turn into actual wyverns with -4 Int and lose the ability to speak as they age
>caste-based society
>adults at the bottom and indentured to their children
>children who found means to halt aging and outlived their parents are promoted to the highest caste of rulership
>finally an actual reason to use cutebold art
>>46185167
I gotchu senpai
>>46185010
Just calling bullshit as I see it. Sorry if it makes you decide to abandon an archetype you didn't want published in the first place man.
Maybe Ssalarn will have it published in one of his books so you don't have to deal with it again.
Also nobody complained about its removal cause you guys never announced it was canned. Nobody found out till someone posted feedback on it and then one of you said it was unecessary.
Whilst I prefer to keep my criticisms constructive, we did repeatedly give issue to your view of balance during POW:E's playtest.
Let's not forget how desperado has a bunch of rule caveats that are left out of the RAW, such as its limitation to core gunslinger deeds and inability to use scatter attacks with sea combat, as well as the fact that it's outright WEAKER than the SU equivalent, the gunsmoke mystic.
The fact that Piercing thunder, a discipline that has decent stances but nothing else, got NERFED after playtesting is a fucking joke.
Tempest gale still doesn't get at all useful until 7th, when it breaks the ranged combat rules entirely with it's nat-20 maneuver, a great choice for anyone with a piercing crossbow.
We offered advice, some of us had easy fixes for this shit back when they debuted and you paid no attention.
You blew us off and now you're salty that we're salty.
Oh, and whilst I'm on the subject: Landsknecht is still a fucking stupid name for an ein-hander prestige class.
If I have a psychic armory, is it legit to take Weapon Focus (panoply of blades)? Or would that be Weapon Focus (psychokinetic throw)?
>>46185268
So are we just dropping the dimorphism aspect, or?
Maybe the genders go in different directions as they age. The males gain Str and lose Int, becoming dumb brutes that are used as mounts, manual labor, etc.
The females start taking Wis damage on a daily basis, and if they hit a certain breakpoint, the damage becomes permanent but their Charisma skyrockets and they gain magical abilities, making them into more of a living superweapon kinda deal that the kids and forever-kids have to handle carefully because they're still intelligent enough to run amok.
>>46185316
>>46185255
Thanks
uhm, boring indeed. how's the crunch?
they have the additional attack with tail?
>>46185455
Mystic is still stronger at group buffing than a Bard while having a host of other useful features and being able to turn most offensive magic into a will save.
>>46185549
Nope. 1d3 Bite, 1d4 Claws, +2 Nat. Armor, Swim speed 30, +2 STR and CON, and no starting languages besides their own.
>>46185557
How is that relevant, you stupid cunt?
>>46185549
No, you're thinking of kobolds with the Tail Terror feat. Lizards get bite and 2 claws.
>>46185507
Weapon Focus (Mind Blade) is explicitly allowed
>>46185557
Plus it's not based on the retarded idea that you have to be a singing, dancing, faggot to buff your party.
>>46185455
>inb4 DSP completely ignores this
>>46185455
That is what you get for ever trusting a company that pushes weaboo fightin magic as a viable replacement for martial combat.
>>46185645
>Implying bards have to be singing, dancing faggots.
>Implying Performance has anything to do with the Perform skill.
>>46185688
Put your trip on so I can ignore you gareth
>>46185645
>thinking Perform is related to bards
Literally nothing bards care about depends on the perform skill, you fucking retard. If you can't read the shit you bawl about, kill yourself.
>>46185723
Dude, calm down and just ignore him. He'll go away eventually.
>>46185455
>>46185673
Well no shit they are going to ignore you.
>>46185645
And what the hell's wrong with being a singing dancing faggot?
>>46185455
Fuck yeah Gunlance.
Yeah, Tempest Gale continuously disappoints at low levels. Too many of the weapon upgrades or other supports for maneuvers are limited to melee weapons, and the discipline overall feels as though it's being punished for "daring" to be mostly [EX].
As for Piercing Thunder, at least Solar Wind can claim some decent strikes by beam-splitting a XASER into multiple lines using Solar Reflection or the like. I haven't read Piercing in a while though; does it still have no way of getting your weapon back after using a strike that throws it? Because that's very, very damning.
>>46185631
Cause all his buffs stack with Bard Buffs too, further pushing up the numbers creep and indicating a lack of design insight.
Or were we just complaining about underpowered content ya faggot?
>>46185716
This is the second time I've been accused of being Gareth in disguise.
Seriously, what about me is Gareth-ey?
>>46184675
>>46184716
They're obviously searching for the fabled fifth kineticist with the heart element. A Corneticist, if you will. Then they will summon the herald of Gozreh to defeat Urgathoan cultists or something.
>>46185846
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>>46185846
The fact that you like the most cancerous parts of pathfinder and treat the good parts as beneath you.
>>46185846
You're disagreeing with with their opinions of what should or shouldn't have been published in PoW:E, which of course somehow means you're either one of DSP or a paid shill for them.
Can't go thinking it's okay to disagree with a couple of angries on an anonymous image board, right?
>>46185902
Different guy, but he's not wrong about Bards.
Learn to divorce shit paizo fluff from very functional mechanics.
>>46185902
>Says bards don't have to be singing, dancing faggots
>Likes cancerous shit
Okay bro wha'evs.
>>46185455
This senpai desu.
>>46185927
It's funny, because I'm one of those degenerate human beings who doesn't even LIKE PoW.
race is +2dex and wis -2 cha
need a non combat cleric stat block for 20pb.
>>46186109
Its an ok system, just a clusterfuck of design paradigms. Wish the initial playtest focused more on getting the mechanics right.
>>46186114
>non combat
>pathfinder
>>>/trash/
>>46186161
All the best shit in PF is Non-combat or bypassing combat.
>>46186114
Max int then cha, get the minimum Wis to cast heal spells dump everything else. All ranks in spellcraft and perform (sex). You are now the craft slave and healwhore. Congrats.
>>46186197
Be wizard.
>>46186161
he'll be doing things in combat just not attacking. mainly using buffs and healing as needed.
>>46186244
1. max wis
2. prepare buffs
3. never use heals except in emergencies (spontaneous cures) or when you unlock the heal spell
4. craft CLW wands
Done
>>46186280
Also if you dont wanna physically fight, get int.
Grab Feather Domain for an animal companion+1/2 level to perception. Trait into Perception as class skill.
Become perception beast.
Also max sense motive.
