Blue Zombies edition! (or creature types outside their normal colors (but only if it makes sense) edition!)
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>Mechanics doc (For the making of color pie appropriate cards)
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>Q: Can there be a sixth color?
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>Q: What's the difference between multicolor and hybrid?
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>Art sources.
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http://fantasy-art-engine.tumblr.com/
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>/ccg/ sets (completed and in development)
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OT: >>46097883
>>46171026
>~ gets +1/+1 for each counter on all permanents on the battlefield.
Because Moses ;_;
Old reposta.
>>46170864
How about a red Advisor? That odd enough for this challenge? Or does it being Human disqualify it since Humans are five color?
>>46171688
That should have been "other creatures"... sorry, I'm super tired.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how broken would this be for Standard?
For Modern?
For Legacy?
For Commander?
>>46171983
>free mana you can drop 4 of plus a land turn 1 for 5 mana turn 2
gee i dunno boss. the 0 cost repeatable mana gen artifacts aren't something we see a whole lot of for a reason.
UW horrors?
>>46172456
Whoops, the flip side is supposed to have ingest instead of devoid.
How do you do transformation cards
Looking for thoughts on this guy.
>>46172456
Double sided cards transform, not flip. I'd also limit that sac prevention to effects from your opponents only.
Also want thoughts on stampede, a red and green mechanic for the gnoll faction.
>>46172989
>common
>>46173021
That's an effect you see as a one off on rares, not as a keyword.
>>46173021
Also, Hyena is a valid creature type.
>>46173432
>Hyena is a valid creature type.
Yeah, but the beast tribe has some existing support. Hyena is a single card.
Inspired by a recent spoiler thread.it's probably broken as fuck
>>46173817
1 mana to make 1/1 tokens with upside? Just a little bit
>>46171983
fine in Commander (noticeably weaker than Sol Ring and Mana Crypt at least)
busted in every other constructed environment, including Vintage, and also busted in limited. If it sacrificed on use it'd be fine though, and that would fit the flavor better IMO
for reference, Modern combo decks gladly play things like Pentad Prism for mana ramp that are approximately a billion times worse than this card
>>46173733
Wow, what a broken motherfucker. Wow. Wow wow wow. That being said, would run in my ghisa edh for sure.
>>46173863
>>46173909
Yes, you get a arsonist every turn. That was my point.
>>46173733
>the best part of Smallpox on a stick
>alternatively, a vastly more user-friendly Smokestack that comes down earlier and swings for damage
kind of obscene, if you can get slightly ahead on permanent count (even by playing bad one-drops, but especially with any kind of token generation or recursion) then you quickly lock your opponent out of the game completely. This either needs to be much more expensive (so it doesn't hit the battlefield even faster than Smokestack) or have a cost on the ability that prevents it from being used ad infinitum, maybe life, maybe discarding a card, maybe putting -1/-1 counters on Ratrik or something.
>>46173752
a little undercosted; lategame this is just a 4/4 menace for 2 mana (in Dimir colors even), and tapping for colorless isn't *that* big a drawback
>>46173769
very nice, reminds me of the Barbarian Ring cycle
>>46173817
insanely overpowered; this should cost more like 2RB, maybe with slightly more starting loyalty to compensate (see the 4-mana Elspeths and Sorins for the value of spitting out 1/1 tokens with upside)
>>46173817
Try making it 1br or perhaps 2br then we'll talk.
>>46173935
not only an arsonist every turn but a planeswalker with powerful minus abilities to boot. That thing basically ends any limited game where you play it T1; if they can't slog through 4 devil tokens by turn 5 you get to ultimate and Rakdos's Return them to boot
>>46172456
I don't think you can replace sac effects like that. What if you're saccing something as part of a cost for a spell, like Fling? Now you haven't actually sacrificed anything, does Fling deal any damage? I would do this:
>If you sacrifice ~, you may return it to the battlefield transformed.
>>46173817
How to make the best planeswalker in legacy and vintage.jpg
>>46173935
>>46174010
>>46174011
>>46174022
I figured. Back to the drawing board, then. Someone mentioned the idea of a 1-mana walker though and I thought it was a neat idea.
>>46174084
1 mana walkers are almost impossible to balance
I just like the flavor on these.
>>46171983
>>46172217
>>46173877
How about this instead? Too much nerf or not enough?
>>46172456
I am bothered by the fact that you gave the flip side devoid for no fucking reason, then decided to make it use the white/blue gold frame anyway.
>>46174186
It has a U/W color indicator too. I think this may legitimately be both colored and colorless?
>>46174186
>>46174212
He did mention it's supposed to be ingest not devoid
>>46174227
I'll ingest your devoid
>>46174227
No real reason for it to have ingest either. Doesn't really fit any flavor.
>>46174146
It's now about the same or even somewhat worse than a 1-mana dork, so Modern/Legacy/Vintage wouldn't bother anymore outside of 0-cost artifact interactions. But it's still a fairly powerful ramp spell in Limited, and could definitely be Standard-playable, if only because of the occasional nut draw where you play multiples early and drop your 4-mana planeswalker on turn 2 or something
>>46174084
>>46174096
Speaking of 1-mana walkers, I tried it once and this was the best I could come up with. I mean, it's +1 actively prevents you from defending yourself or itself so it's totally balanced, right?
>>46174397
this is stupid. the -3 is really really weak but the -4 is VERY impactful. the -3 needs to be changed to something else entirely. if it were a -1 it would probably be too strong, but if it were a -2 i feel like you'd still just always go for the -4 instead.
other than that it's a cool idea. it's probably balanced, although it is a really weird card so it is hard to say for sure.
>>46174397
ultimate needs an "until end of turn" clause, first ability should be 2 sentences (...control. You gain 1 life...)
I feel like the best way to balance a 1 mana Walker is not to give it a +ability. It can either A) ult once and use its -ability once, or B) use its -ability x times
For some reason I'm on a mox kick. I tried to make a phyrexian mox. How do I balance this? I'm sure 4 potential mana on turn 1 can easily end the game before poison kills you next turn.
>>46174459
Make a helix pinnacle-type effect, which costs almost nothing to pay, has built-in protection, but takes a long-ass time to build up?
>>46174459
Or the Walker only has one +ability and one -ability. No ult.
>>46174459
>>46174512
What if it enters the battlefield with a lot of loyalty counters, like 20 or something, and its abilities want its loyalty to be low not high?
>>46174397
This is what I came up with for a onewalker.
>>46174582
>>46174512
Combining both these ideas:
Tibalt, the Devilish Fellow - R
Planeswalker
+1: Put a 1/1 red Devil creature token with "When this creature dies, it deals 1 damage to target creature or player" onto the battlefield. You lose X life, where X is the number of loyalty counters on ~ minus two.
-2: Draw a card, then discard a card at random.
Starting loyalty: 5
>>46174512
Round 2 with this guy's idea.Still too good?
>>46174659
Yeah, still too good, since it can kill small creatures. Maybe make it hit players only? Then you can add an interesting ultimate back too, since it actually needs to be defended.
>>46174659
This seems really close, probably fair at b/r b/r. 1 damage to target creature or player reigns it in at b/r if you ask me
>>46174582
What if it starts with a bunch of loyalty counters, but somehow can't do anything until it has a lot less. And it only has + abilities, forcing you to bolt it yourself.
Flavor-wise it could be some kind of crazy masochist.
>>46174650
target creature? as in fuck phantoms? is that all it does?
>>46174659
this is very powerful
>>46174692
this is a lot better, this way, turn one you cant plus, also lots of flavor, i like it a lot
I like the mana cost and i want it to add cards, but I don't know how, is it good as it is? Should it not remove grave and work like arena? Should it just add a card from grave? how would you guys balance it?
>>46174817
You can use his plus, "up to"
>>46174650
I feel like shuffle should be zero, or maybe able to target other libraries.
>>46174893
...under your control?
Playing a bit with Legendary creatures.
>>46171716
cool card
>>46173769
love this
>>46174837
graveyard order sucks. should exile a random card from graveyard.
>>46174488
Make it legendary.
>>46174947
>>46174947
>>46174954
Transform, not flip.
>>46174960
Oh bother. See, this is what happens when I spend too long going 'Hmm...I kinda liked Kamigawa's Legendary-Matters theme'. I get Flip Cards on the brain.
>>46174977
Coming up with good modes is hard.
>>46174659
Made me want to make my own CMC 1 'walker. I think it's sufficiently shit while sill being usable in some ways.
>>46174916
Unless otherwise specified, creatures are put onto the battlefield under the control of the one doing the putting.
>>46175069
When putting stuff from your opponents graves or exile it usually states it.
>>46173817
>>46174659
Round three. I don't even care anymore if it's not balanced, I'm not removing the damage completely. Originally I was thinking of trying to cram the words "devil" and "deal" onto the card as many times as I possibly could and still have it be functional, but I think the appeal of a 1-mana 2-ability walker has overcome that.
>>46175180
The main issue is repeatable pings are usually CMC2-3, so this, even though it hurts you too, is immensely useful. It basically prevents your opponent from playing anything with 1 toughness. I know you said you don't really care, but I figured I'd explain why people would object to a +1 like that on such a cheap PW if you weren't aware of it.
>>46175210
Fair enough. I may be stubborn, but not unreasonable. Would a bigger tradeoff make it more balanced then, such as 2 life for 1 damage?
>>46171026
combo time
>>46175273
You could do something like that, yeah.
+1: You may pay 2 life. If you do, ~ deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
This might be okay. Black can certainly handle paying life for things. It's still oppressive in a deck that doesn't rely on creatures or can get life back easily with efficient lifelinkers or spells, but it's not quite so bad at CMC1 as a 1-for-1 would be, I think.
Has anyone made a cycle of Nephilim that use the Anus Mana yet? That is, something like this
>AUBRG
>ABRGW
>ARGWU
>AGWUB
>AWUBR
And a five color Nephilim that doesn't use anus mana at all
>>46174285
>>46174146
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but would it be playable in modern affinity; pretending the last bans/eldrazi don't exist?
>>46175673
>AUBRG
>ABRGW
>ARGWU
>AGWUB
>AWUBR
I don't know why, but it makes me think of some fantasy mob language.
And it sounds like a horrible idea, no offense. Anus is bad enough, but multicolored-less feels wrong.
That said, I'll give it a shot, why not.
>>46175273
+1 for Cuombajj Witches's effect *might* be OK, it would also feel more like a 'deal' card as the effect is symmetrical.
It would also help to balance the otherwise insane -3, which would be to good against controllish decks if the +1 did literally nothing (with +1 being witch's ability they can redirect the damage to tibalt).
Even after that it might need a nerf.
>>46175797
ABR, I think that's the limit.
Felt wrong, but I ended up really liking this card.probablymessedupsomewhere
>>46175868
Ingest 4 maybe?
>>46175966
You'd have to change how it works, ingest is fixed.
>>46175962
This seems interesting, I am wondering how this interacts with overrun.
>>46179704
Would make it non token human, unless exponentiation is your intention.
Just some concepts for legends with 4-color identities. Numbers are ballpark estimates, really just trying to get the concepts to feel well-blended.
I'd like a way for UB one to feel more blue, and I've no idea what to throw on the WU one. BR one is a bit cruddy, what are some abilities that might have more synergy?
>>46181120
The whole cycle feels like an unorganized mishmash. Like you just threw random abilities on some random creatures.
>>46182191
>Expecting good card design on Nephilims
HA! Good one.
To my surprise, WOTC haven't done Master Warcraft/Odric for a single creature yet; is this a reasonable stab at the phrasing?
