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>>46144322
Never skip leg day

>>46144322
>Infinity is a 28mm scale skirmish game where diplomats must show all of their legs if they're female.
It's the one O-12 ruling that we're all thankful for. I still think it would be a better idea to require all diplomats to be shirtless, though.

Anyone doing the mayacast masterglass?
I figure its worth a punt for the raffle alone right?

Any chance of the RPG preview pdfs?

>>46146290
I wouls like to. And I would have done Achilles/Hector, but I already painted Achilles before I heard about the contest

你好

>>46148192
مرحبا

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>>46148320
>>46148379


>tfw when there's no CA text to respond with...

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>>46148320
>>46148192
Gesundheit

>>46148398
Just do that jarbled dripping text shit people do for Zalgo.

>>46148398
jang vIDa je due luq. ‘ach ghotvam’e’ QI’yaH-devolved qaS.

>>46148444
>>46148410
>>46148398
Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

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locust

>>46148777
For NCA right?

Looks fairly baller. Though his lack of action fist and ragerock confound me.

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Hey guys I'm interested in starting Affinity and I'm interested in several of the factions (CA, Tohaa, Military Orders, USAriadna, JC of Corregidor) but I wanna make sure I pick an army that I'll enjoy playing. A lot of the factions sound and look cool, but it's hard to tell what strategies are viable/enjoyable. I played a bit of 40k and liked the Dark Angels the best for their flexible deployment, fast units, and heavy infantry. Any suggestions you guys might have for picking a faction and what models to start with would be appreciated.

Does anyone use a Karakuri with a combi rifle as Pi-well? I just realized how appropriate the model is for it.

>>46148777
Looks like a photoshopped Nisse. Hope it's not the actual miniature...

>>46148777
That logo almost makes it look fake.

>>46148803
>>46148910
>>46148928
It's not real

For someone who used to be massive into the game but had to drop out just before N3 dropped what are the main changes?

I also noticed Combined has gotten lots of EI drone specific additions. Looks like I can make an army without monkeys, bugs or shavastii

>>46149871
Bugs got squatted man. They're all dead.

Hacking got better. Coordinated orders and Command Tokens became a thing.

I don't really know, I only got into this in N3 and I still haven't played a game.

>>46148777
This is disgustingly beautiful

>>46148870
Just pick what looks coolest to you. Also starter box is always the best place to start

>>46149871
>EI
There's going to be a new sectorial in the next HS. Onyx First Contact Force. It's got a splash of Morats, Umbra, Symgaa, and probably some Shasvastii. But is seems to be mostly EI constructs

What am I most likely to see at a tornament to look out for? I've compiled this list:

Yu Jing: vanilla and JSA
Aleph: steel phalanx
Ariadna: Camo spam/dogfaces or USA
PanO: Vanilla, NCA, and MO
Haqqislam: vanilla?
CA: Vanilla
Nomads: Corregador

I'm new to the game and mainly play against YJ, but am getting a few friends to make some test lists to play vs me, we're thinking about, from highest to lowest priority: Ariadna, Corregador, Steel phalanx.

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>>46148870
It might be best to look at the faction breakdown on 1d4chan, and most of the non-sectorial armies have a wide enough variety of troops that they can suit most styles. How competitive you want to be in the ITS tournament, however, may constrict your choices. As for what you've mentioned in terms of playstyles:

CA: Elite units with superlative options and funky special rules.

Tohaa: revolves around the usage of triad link teams (otherwise something that only sectorial armies get) and symbiote armor (some Tohaa units get an armor which, when damaged, results in a new troop profile, thereby giving extra survivability). Very order efficient army, extremely deadly in the reaction turn, and good access to bio-tech stuff, but somewhat lacks the breadth of long range weaponry that other factions have.

Military Orders: thematically similar to spess mahreens, though, remember, Infinity is a shooting game first and foremost. Not the most competitive in tournaments, though they can be fun to play.

USAriadna: USA USA USA! Ariadna in general is quite strong competitively because they can generate enormous order pools and make opponents waste orders discovering camouflaged troops. USAriadna troops are slightly better armored than typical Ariadna troops, and has access to gear and special rules on cheap troops that would otherwise be on quite expensive ones in other armies.

Corregidor: relatively well balanced, as is Nomads in general. By that I mean they have strong units in the ~20 point range (a few armies, most apparent in Yu Jing, but also in Pan-O have fairly week ~10 point cheerleaders and 30-60 point killy units, but relatively poor middle-of-the-road choices)

For any faction usually their starter set is a good place to start, though it'd help if you decide on an army first.

>>46150477
>Aleph: steel phalanx

Phalanx is popular, but you'll see vanilla Aleph too. It isn't bad by any means.

>>46148886
I use Karakuri as Kuang-Shi. It makes sense (suicide robots with v:dogged) though it's certainly less grimderp than strapping bombs to lobotomized prisoners. Also Kuang shi models are ugly.

>>46150477
Haqq, QK you will see QK. You might see HB.
Nomads, vanilla
Ariadna, FRRM isn't rare by any means.

>>46150536
I just have a very limited time span (2 weeks) so I have to prioritize. I don't see vanilla aleph throwing as many curveballs play-wise as steel phalanx will.

>>46150576
Do any of those play very differently from their other variants? Again, limited time span so I need to prioritize curve ball lists.

>>46150741
>I don't see vanilla aleph throwing as many curveballs play-wise as steel phalanx will.

What? Phalanx is limited compared to vanilla.

>>46150477
I wouldnt prioritize armies over another. Just tailor your lists to the missions, and try to include answers to as must stuff as possible mostly AD, Infiltration, TO/Camo, etc etc

But specific things to you should be wary of (some of which you already named): Ariadna Camo Spam and Parachutists. USARF infiltrating Grunts and RVZ. Haqqislam/QK: Kum Bikers, Zulekya, Ghazi Muttawiah, QK link flexibility. Steel Phalanx: ODD, Phoenix.

>>46150827
Well vanilla will be more varsatile, but I'm used to playing vs that, not a bunch of link teams with ODD and achilles.

>>46150867
Thanks, I'll look into those. I just want as few curveballs as possible, so memorizing some basic compositions of camo for ariadna for example.

>>46151000
I see what you mean, but to be honest, vanilla and phalanx abuse the shit out of Achilles.

>>46149871
Lot's of mechanical changes. There is a general removal of mechanics which allowed unopposed rolls. Combat camo and shooting through smoke no longer allow first strike but add negative mods to opponent response. Unless you have holoprojectors, have set up a multi levelled ARO, Berserk, shooting someone in the back outside of 8", or shooting someone in melee, it's hard to force unopposed rolls. Guided missiles now allow you to dodge, at a -3 penalty.

Melee in general has been improved, with melee specialists starting at CC 19, usually with some way to bump it higher or decrease your opponents odds. Any stat values over 20 now give you a bonus to your effective roll and if that bonus plus your roll = 20 or more, you crit. For example Shinobu at CC 25 and MA3 (+3 mod for you and -3 mod for your opponent) gets + 8 to your rolls and crits on 12 or higher. It still is expensive to melee but now there is reward for the risk.

Loss of LT just forces everyone irregular unless they have the veteran skill. No more just 2 orders.

Hacking is greatly expanded with different gear getting different programs. Hackers can also give bonuses to remotes and HI.

HI, except for the biggest slowest models are now 4-4 and mostly went down dramatically in price. Multi weapons are no longer crap and stupidly priced, granting shock or AP at full burst (AP or DA in the case of MSR).

Weapon ranges now are differentiated making the HMG no longer just the best gun at everything. Shotguns are now amazing and LS are not crap. Templates no longer allow cover bonuses for armor but no longer impart a -6 to dodge.

Impetuous models no longer can get partial cover but do not have to take their impetuous movement. Extremely impetuous models are like old impetuous in that they must charge forward unless you spend a regular order on them.

Point costs in general shifted downward with most non Ariadna lists hitting 11-14 orders. The command token mechanic allows big small splits to work well.

>>46151354
I'm curious, what was the old HMG rangeband?

>>46151955
[0-8] 0, [8-32] +3, [32-48] -3, [48-96] -6

>>46150013
Technically the bugs are still around, they just don't have rules and the Concordat itself got pimp slapped by the EI.

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>>46150522
Ok USAriadna seems pretty fun. The starter pack doesn't seem that great though. All they have is rifles and flamethrowers. What would be some good things to add from the starter? Things like snipers or the motorcycle unit seem cool, but I'm not sure what is good.

I feel like I have a very low skill ceiling with NCA. I was routinely beating my friend but he's been getting better and I feel like it's hard to keep up when he has options like smoke, and infiltration. Should I just expand out to Vanilla or play a different army?

>>46152928
But learning how to adapt is literally half the fun of playing a theme.
What are you running? What is he running? You still have options to deal with smoke. How is his approach with infiltration giving you trouble?

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>>46152955
Pretty standard NCA, list I ran was pic, it seems pretty standard. We played 3 games today, won 2 and lost the last one soundly. The plays I'd cite as being above my level skill wise included:

-Forcing AROs by moving within ZOC, then moving into b2b to lock units up.
-Positioning Shinobu right by a mine (20x20 objective) so I wouldn't use my sensor to detect her in hidden deployment. (she proceeded to slice a nearby swiss guard in half the following turn)
-Using smoke to intuitive attack nanopulsers through in my face while I can't do anything about it.
-Keeping a Yan Hao HMRC prone for the first 2 turns so I couldn't shoot it at all, then just wiping out half my order pool when any threats to it were gone.

I realize I could have avoided a few things by thinking a bit more about my movement, but it seems that without the fancy toys, my ceiling of plays is severely limited, and NCA felt like a "beginner's army" for the first time to me. Can cover most of the bases, but can't go much further than point and click.

>>46153187
My advice would be to git gud. Don't blow your load too early when revealing TO troops, keep some Auxilia around as corner guards, and make sure to set up good ARO traps (NCA is meant to be a defensive army, after all). NCA is going to get some infiltration action soon, so get ready for that.
PanO in general has limited options outside of point and shoot, but that just means you need to master the art of getting in position to point and shoot. Anticipate your enemy's actions, then pour bullets down their throat when they take those actions.

Anyone got the extra big version of the infinity butts compilation? I seem to have lost it.

>>46153187
WEll looking at that list, personally I would drop the swiss hacker since you're rocking the deva, and one of the fusilier heavy weapons if not both and invest in some Bolts with Drop Bears/shotties/sniper or a Hexa sniper to match some of his shenanigans and give you some lengthy ARO coverage.

>>46154741
Terrible idea in my experience. Smoke/msv2 combo can outright win you games. With a full link team you can at least generate enough presence from the first round to make the wanker think twice about overexposing himself. Bolts aren't going to do anything, except suck the points for much needed Auxilia fodder.

>>46152928
You can try with Garuda or Peacemaker to take out the smoke or MSV model. It's a risky and difficult move, but beats being on the reactive side.

I'm a big fan of Pathfinders and Fugazi. Unfortunately you need to have larger order numbers to get any real value. Two Pathfinders, two Fugazi with some other model (Garuda, Peacemaker or just doctor and engineer) for instance can make a decent second group on a budget. Although buying REM isn't cheap.

Lastly, unless you can't afford, invest into different army. Definitely don't invest into vanilla unless aesthetics reasons. NCA does well but it's kinda spammy and predictable. Against certain lists, like msv/smoke you also need to have a bit of luck to get an angle and pull off the key models before they murder everything in their LoS. It's definitely easier to abuse combos than dealing with them.

Best of luck either way.

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Does remote spam work? Still kinda new and playing with the army builder is fun

>>46155166
>vanilla
Not with that attitude. Go ISS or go home. If the thought of AVA:3 on Husong and AVA:2 on Lu Duan and Rui Shi doesn't make you hard, you aren't ready to truly spam remotes. Your army's got far too many meatsacks as well. The Kuang Shi can stay since they and their handler synchronize well with Rui Shi, but those supportware hackers take up valuable SWC that could be spent on more remotes.

I find ISS and Nomads to be the best for remote spamming, but NCA/vanilla PanO aren't bad either.

>>46155166
I think ISS can do REM spam better than vanilla. Higher AVA of the attack REMs, Sophotect, linkable Khuang Shi, basic HDs with fairly decent Hackers.

Otherwise go NCA or Nomads. Also look out for EVO HDs in HSN3

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>>46155275
Is this better? I like the idea of a fully expendable force of Kuang Shi and Rems.

Also AVA3 SuJians are tempting. but as they're HI they can't be supportwared right?

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>>46154637
Here you go

>>46155331

Well, they CAN be fairy dusted if you are concerned about enemy hackers I guess?

Although most of the time BTS 6 is ample protection by itself. Crappy dice rolls notwithstanding.

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>>46155331
They can't be supportwared like a remote can, but they don't need to be. Su is phenomenal.

>>46155400
I like the old model significantly more than the new beastwars one. Its also much cheaper Currently play jsa and looking to try vanilla. by tossing in kuang shi and getting at lest a rui shi for use in both.

Besides remotes, what are vanilla YJ staples? I see a HRL Raiden, farily often and and the yan hao with b5 looks fun.

>>46155431
For my next purchase(s) Kuang Shi+SuJuian, Ruishi Box or Yojimbo

>>46155331
Su Jians can gain Fairydust. They have higher ARM, BTS, and STR than any of the REMs which will be useful for extended firefights. Also remember that since they are HIs, they can do things REMs can't do like Cautious Move or Prone.

Definitely consider them especially since they definitely fit the theme of a mechanical army. An army that forces the opponent to spend orders to permanently remove models off the board because of nearly everything has 2 unconscious levels. And absolutely keep your Sophotect safe

>>46155431
>Besides remotes, what are vanilla YJ staples?
Daofei, Yan Huo, Hac Tao and now Su Jian are wonderful killer units. Guilang, Kuang Shi and Tiggers are really great too. Ninjas, Aragoto, Keisotsu and Raiden are still very useful in vanilla.

>>46144322
>lotsa leg
>chihuahua-pig

So when someone thinks you might not be accepting enough of the rampant incompetence, nepotism and corruption and have you put on the party's shitlist, you're not just getting tortured into confessing some shit and then getting sentenced to hard labour for life or becoming a suicide zombie, it's also going to be future Chinese Paris Hilton sentencing you.

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>>46155524
Should've rabble-roused more quietly, gweilo.

>>46155459
Ah, yes, like my Haramaki Link

I was thinking of using a 5 link of kuang shi as bodyguards/orderpool and have them around the tech. If a link does aro shoot. does everyone have to, or can I just fire the ones that can clip an infiltrating ninja's base without touching my tech?

>>46155514
Haramaki without a link look significantly worse and probably worth their relatively low cost.

Spitfire of Shotgun Su Jian?

Is b5 Yan Huo the only one worth taking? It looks significantly better than the 2 ML

>>46155601
Haramaki are entirely meh in vanilla. They're very much a sectorial unit.

Shotgun costs no SWC and looks pretty good on paper, but I haven't tried it yet so I dunno. Spitfire is solid.

HRMC for an attack piece, ML for a defensive piece. MULTI HMG if you can't decide. The ability to deliver multiple EXP templates should never be underestimated.

>>46155601

Depends on how much SWC you got, but generally more shots are (usually) better. So Spitfire I'll say, and it has a heavy pistol if you REALLY need to shoot (flamer aside) something up close. Also makes knife pointless i guess.

Also, generally the HMC is best for most situations, since it does have a DA shot as the minimum for AROs assuming he's not in suppression fire.

>>46155652
>The ability to deliver multiple EXP templates should never be underestimated.
I run a full Haramaki Link with 2 ML, They're great. I guess just a bit spoiled by having to pay so much in vanilla for the same thing.

>>46155676
More dakka sounds good, and that scupt looks better on the yan anyway. With swc taken up with a yan and rems, not sure if I can fit it in.

Can I speculative fire / fire a missle at the ground so it covers a camo marker nearby?

>>46152325
So, a good chunk of USAriadna troops don't have models yet (which tends to be a trend with Infinity), but the Grunt pack is good for the HMG and sniper.

Mavericks and Devil Dogs (and presumably Desperados) can be useful if you want extra front-line pressure, and units like the 112 and Dozer can be added eventually for specialist options. Foxtrots are quite useful in competitive play (18 points for BS11, WP13, FO, camo, and infiltration is dirt cheap; most other factions have to pay around 30 points for similar options). Hardcases aren't fantastic, even though their mini is very good.

To be honest, most of the models and profiles in the USAriadna lineup are quite solid so play around with listbuilding.

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Please be the Maggie

>>46156056
I've never heard of that nickname for blackjacks...

>>46155772

Nope. Missiles don't have speculative fire option, and you can't 'discover' a token by deliberately shooting a template near one unless it's conveniently near another legal target.

>>46156117
>Blackjacks
Not before fucking Marauders and Mavericks...Minutemen and new Foxtrots too.

>>46144322
The caledonians and french from the Ariadna army are fucking based, I want them now.

>>46156056
I don't even play Haqq, but I'd love for a new Maggie. It'd make a nice posterchild for the game as well.

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>>46156056
I want to believe

>>46156126
Thanks. I've done that with a boarding shotgun template, just wasn't sure if I missed something letting me target the ground with missles.

>>46156294
Soon(tm)

>>46155346
Sneaky Callidus still pissing me off

Hey guys, any advice on how to make my own markers for Infinity?

Where I live I cannot get them right now, and I'd have to wait for a really long time to even think of getting some of the really cool markers people have.

I'd need everything, from regular orders to impersonation markers.

Any links on DIY markers or something?

>>46156432
get a button maker/stamper and print out some, scale them to fit on the button

>>46156432
Print them out either through the download site of infinity or the token generator site in the OP, use a 1" hole puncher to cut them out, laminate them with something (usually these off amazon http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Sticker-Adhesive-Stickers-Pendants/dp/B015A3U4UM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_201_17?ie=UTF8&dpID=51QXVJEhimL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR159%2C160_&refRID=19B5SKK7F32JK4HMHQBB). That's the usual method.

>>46156381
...there's nothing in the rules that let you due that with a shotgun template. You still need a valid, non-marker, target to shoot at.

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Bump

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Another teaser

>>46144543
I'm really looking for an excuse to use that model in a inquisitor's retinue for 40k.

>>46158982
please don't

>>46158982
>Warhammer
>women
HERETIC!

With a couple of Guilang already in my collection (and a second sniper and a Daofei in the near future as part of a second-hand deal) I've been looking at getting a Raiden for some more variation in the camo mindgames.

The rocket launcher version seems like the best deal to me so far.
Would you guys agree to that or recommend one of the others?

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>>46159863
I got the Raiden HRL too. To me it's not only the better looking model, but the best bang for buck. The 8 points for the spitfire seems to me that it could be spend elsewhere, like on a hacker, repeater remote, another line troop, or something.

>>46159863
HRL Raiden is amazing

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>>46148886
YOU! You made me do it!
>thank you anon

>>46157965
Lovin it.

>>46157965
Great. Me wants more.

>>46160432
It's only a day later, so I'm not sure if it's a photoshop or you had this idea before the post and made it.

>>46159863
The HRL Raiden is a fantastic piece. It's, especially for vanilla, a cheap, relatively consistent template that can be kept pretty safe if you don't get the first turn.

As for the other options, YJ has terrible MSR options and the Raiden doesn't really change that. Yes, it's fairly cheap, but it has no defensive options and no MSV. The spitfire version is problematic because the Raiden is 4-2, and that's just not good enough, especially in a relatively order inefficient army such as YJ. If you *need* a X-visor Spitfire, you can take the Crane Agent (though remember, that profile does not have the very, very useful Sensor ability)

>>46161332
Or maybe he had both models at hand and finished and just swapped the head.

>>46158019
>image is mo knight
>quote is hector
Wut
Last teaser was edgelien quote and a gorgos

>>46161857
>inb4 Gorgos in Onyx

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>>46156294

>>46161369
I had both of those models and as I don't use Karakuri I was amused by the idea and I have done the conversion and painted if up afterwards.

>>46160432
When Bakunin body modification trends go too far.

>>46156755
I did have a model in front of it to shoot at

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Guys, are these dudes from the CA army really worth it? I'm planning on getting a box of them, but I'm not sure, since they're pretty fucking expensive for me, living in south america.

I'm also planning on getting Spec Ops Corax to proxy as a Speculo Killer, since I hate her model so much.

>>46164963
Q-Drone is called the kill bot for a reason. It's astoundingly good.

>>46164963
Posting what I already have:

Morat Starter
CA Starter
Box of Daturazi
Box of Yaogat
Box of Unidrones
Zerat sniper
Old HMG Sogarat (proxying as engi, since I don't like their models very much)
Suryat with HMG (love this model)
Kornak
Anathematic

I'm getting that Spec Ops of the Shasvastii to proxy as Speculo, then a Noctifer with spitfire cause I fucking love the model, the Dr Worm box, and the "new" Sogarat with HMG

I'm thinking the drones or a pair of blisters maybe... or another box? Morat Vanguard specialists?

>>46164963
I just got this box myself, I consider these Drones essential to building a decent MAF list.

>>46164963

They're terrifying.

Also I did the same thing with my Corax

>>46165047

Depends if you're making MAF or not

>>46165176
OK, then I guess I'll get them. I liked the other design best, I mean, it was more unique. But maybe this goes better with the look of the unidrones and the supposed new sectorial.

>>46166058
Yeah, the Corax model is gorgeous.

I'm doing MAF but also Vanilla, cause I like variety and I really love both armies. I also got a small force of Steel Phalanx Douchebros

>>46164963
>>46165000
It's "murderbot". And yeah, they're awesome (assemble as Q and M. Or magnetize them.)

Anyone have the N3 rulebook?

Have a hankering for Tohaa Fluff.

>>46167795
then you'll have to get Campaign Paradiso, because the N3 book doesn't have Tohaa or ALEPH

Noob SteelPhalanxfag from the other thread, joining an escalation league soon; 125-150-200-250-300 point progressions;

thoughts on running 3 link teams in a 300 point list?

Each link team is a group, Phoenix and Eudoros + 2 Myrm's are my starting team, then some cheap Thorakitai FO's & Sgt. Thrasymedes (nice pants, weaboo!) are my 2nd team, Agema Marksman joins up with his ML @ 200, then for the last 100 points I wasn't sure what to do, hence Acmon, Machaon, & a Myrmidon w/ Spitfire to babysit them.

I also own an Ekdromoi, but found it the whole jumping into the game bit awkward in the 1 demo game I've played so far.

halp???

>>46166324

How do you magnetize minis? Is it too difficult? Does it require special tools?

I mean, I don't even drill holes in the minis to glue them. I just cutt off the extra parts and smooth the mold lines and then just glue them.

Too caveman-ish?

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>>46169953
here's the list I forgot to post here

>>46169990
Why dividing the groups so much?

If you ever get the linked team broken, you're gonna have a bad time.

Besides, couldn't you just have 1 linked team at a time?

>>46170095
Probably just ti designate fireteams. I do the same when I'm list building with Tohaa or SP

>>46169982
It's not too hard with plastic. With metal however, you have to be much more careful working with that drill bit. Though beyond that, it's mostly just making sure your magnets and drill bit are the same (or almost same) size.

>>46169990
Again can't link with myrmidons, only Dactyls.
>>46170095
ASS can hav multiple links, but none over 4

>>46170355
>Again
Acmon

>>46169982
Skip the magnetizing then. Also, remember to wash your minis (warm water + dishsoap. bc of mold release agent which affects glue/paint) before assembling/priming, and if you have connection problems score (scratch with sth sharp) the joint surface so glue has more rough stuff to latch onto.

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Is there any reason why the IS would ever field a 4 Hsien fireteam?

>>46172222

Because they've lost control of their lives?

>>46172389
I-It can still have 10 orders with Kuang Shi.

>>46172222
Probably for 400pt games

>>46172222
Like those dank quads, it's done as a sign of wealth

>>46172569
Especially when there is LVZ on the table. Like the Jungle Annihilation on Firestorm.

>>46172222
Not unless they're very drunk. I've fielded a 3 Hsien fireteam before though, and they fucked the enemy's face. I wasn't expecting that gimmick to be very successful, but I won 3/4 of the games I played it in.

>>46172183
I've been collecting miniatures for 12 years, not once have I washed them.

I guess I've been doing things really wrong for a long long time.

I still got the Infinity ones unpainted, but completely assembled, should I wash them now?

>>46176254
I only washed miniatures once - when my client stated that he wants me to wash his boardgame miniatures before painting, never again I did that, or feel any need to do that.

>>46176254
Only if your greasy mitts have tarnished them. (You probably should... though its not necessary)

I mean really, just a minute under some warm tap water, throw on some soap if you're ritzy, and rinse thoroughly.

Let it dry for a night.

Hey guys.

Don't you think Infinity has come to have too many special rules? I mean, it started off fine, you can't have a game like this without special rules. But with every rule expansion they add a ton of them once again. A lot of rules have explanations that go on and on for one page or more, and the interactions between them are becoming more and more complex.

That's not what Infinity was like in the beginning. The focus on the game is on it's reaction system, which is one of the best i've seen. It keeps you on your toes and making decisions everywhere and all the time. That's huge.

But with so many special rules to remember, I feel it's becoming less and less noob friendly, and more focused on "who remembers the most special rules"

I mean, it's no attack to its players or the game itself, I'll keep playing, I love the game and the minis. But don't you think it's losing its focus?

>>46176721

I think they could go and turn more special rules in levels of other special rules, rather than being separate rules.

>>46176721
Nope. I want moar. But I don't like when skills are really lose to each other and do similiar things.

>>46176721
For the most part they do at least serve a purpose.

A lot of other wargames have a similar or even greater number of special rules, but applied as unique rules to each unit. Infinity at least keeps them generic.

>>46176721
Some of it could definitely be streamlined, but there's not really that much bloat for most of the special rules. I'm not a fan of those newfangled biometric visors, though. Holoprojectors and impersonators aren't a big part of the game like camo is, so having equipment just to counter them seems dumb to me. There's no shortage of games where no holos nor impersonators are on the table, making the visor useless. Whereas most games have a mimetic unit at the very least.

>>46176875
Yeah, and also you can do it normaly though even if it has disadvantages, so the game is less special rule reliant.

>>46176721
Funnily enough I had this discussion about a week ago. Short answer, yes. When I want to play a game I want to focus on playing it rather than stressing on the number of rules I need to keep in mind. PC is much better in this role as you can get short explanation on the skill, damage and so on. It also frees you from calculating modifiers, it's much more fun to focus on what you think it's the best decisions and seeing how they play out rather than focusing on MOD stacking or striping. It's been a year, since I last someone trying to pull a flank to get an advantage rather than abusing camo or smoke/msv2. Ironically Infinity likes to present itself as interactive game/always your turn, however veteran/knowladgable players will know how to stack MODs so well that's not unimaginable to see ARO being completely meaningless.

I too love the minis and loved playing during N2, the modern meta and CB's intention to introduce more crazy rules, don't sit really well with me.

test

>>46176721
I don't quite like some of the rules that have roughly the same effect, like a few of the hacking programs or equivalents to Chain of Command, but I don't think it's bloated. It adds enough flavor. Luckily quite a bit of it is standardized, with a few exclusive rules like Mechanical Transmutation or Tohaa armour that adds some faction specifc flair. The only complaint I've heard two players say was that they wished that Command Tokens had faction specific effects. I don't understand their views.

>>46176721
The rules bloat is fine. It's on the level on the whole and adds some faction and unit specific flavor.

It's just a bit of a curve to get over before it clicks because in many instances the names aren't intuitive.
The weapons are a blatant example of that.

What is a "combi-rifle"? What is a "Molotok"?

Another gripe is the rule book is just a mess with some rules points being italicized and bullet pointed with others being revealed in the rules examples.
That seems sloppy.

>>46177697
The rule book is rubbish. Most of the rules are actually pretty simple, but CB does a piss-poor job of explaining them in that book. At least we've got a good wiki now and the translations are better.

As long as you have the weapon stats and special rules written down nearby (which you should, especially when just starting out) the fancy names like combi rifle and molotok don't mean that much. Just look at 40k, people learn that easily enough and half the wargear names explain shitall.

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>>46176721
>Don't you think Infinity has come to have too many special rules?
Not really, though I suppose it differs from person to person. There's really not much to remember. You can get a general sense of what most units are by looking at the models, knowing what equipment they've got, and remembering just a few curveballs.

>>46177697
>combi-rifle
It's a future-tech rifle that is as light/small/easily maneuverable in tight spaces as a SMG but with the range and accuracy of a full-sized rifle.

>molotok
Russian for hammer. There are other languages in this game, you know. Guilang is simply Mandarin for "Ghost Wolf".

>>46176721
I can empathise, but on the whole I find most of the special rules tend to either be fairly superficial in terms of complexity, or dovetail fairly intuitively into the core rules.

Now, for the newbie, I can see it being a bit daunting, but I've never encountered the issue you mentioned where it becomes more about remembering the rules than the tactics.

I think the biggest issue was clarifying the interactions, and presenting them rationally, and the wiki has been a huge help in that respect. Dodgy translations didn't help either.

But on the whole, I think they've struck a decent balance between keeping things fresh, and keeping things understandable.

>>46158982
It's 40k. And an Inquisitors retinue.
No need for an excuse.

>>46177697
>what is a "combi-rifle"

what is a "bolter"?

You know what could be really great? A TAG with a MSV. You know what it could be appropriate for? The Blue wolves for Yu Jing.

>>46178638
>A TAG with a MSV
So a Marut.

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I'm thinking of getting this Ariadna starter box and adding a tankhunter with autocannon and a paratrooper with HMG after reading this article http://budgetboardgamer.blogspot.com/2013/04/getting-started-infinity.html?m=1 I'm thinking of getting a box of grunts and 2-3 specialists down the line, but I'm not sure how useful that would be. What would you guys recommend going forward?

Also, I'm trying to get my friend into the game and I'm thinking he'd like Tohaa or CA based on what I've seen and read. If I got those 8 models and my friend got a CA starter what would be good for him to pick up so we could play some 200pt games?


I was going to go USAriadna but looking at cost and the amount of stuff I can play with going regular Ariadna I think I'll do USA later.

>>46178644
I meant, like a new TAG for my Army, with only MSVL1, that people would actually field because it isn't over 116 points and a third of their army.

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>>46179031
Look, I know us YJ players have the short stick in terms of poor ARO options in general, but we already have too many expensive unit options. Even a cheap TAG would be cost prohibitive in most lists. I'd much, much rather have decent 20-ish point options to round out a list and to give our army something other than "just-like-Pan-O, but worse"

Did I miss something, or did Army VI just happen?

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What do you think of the new Army 6?

Everything's wrong! I don't like change!

Change it back! I'm scared.

As for legit criticism, I don't like that I can't quite tell which sections cover TAGs, REM, HI, SK, etc. like with the little dividers from Army V and how the order has changed.

I made my standard list with it rather easily enough, so it's not all horrible.

>>46179158
Is this a single illustration or part of some comics?

>>46179287
Yeah, that is my beef: I don't seem to get how to organize it by LI-MI-HI-TAG-REM-WB like before.

>>46176721
The thing about special rules is that there's a lot of general special rules and less army-specific rules. So there's less pressure to know how weird stuff like 'nid synapse or Necron resurrection works if you compare it to 40k as usual. It's more about learning combination of stuff, like that Intruder has MSV2 with Camo while Nisse has only Mimetism, but direct template weapons work on both for example.

>>46179287
Huh? Still loads V for me...

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>>46179287
>I can't quite tell which sections cover TAGs, REM, HI, SK, etc.

That's the biggest issue I think. From an aesthetic perspective; that a lot of unit symbols seem to be anti aliased with a white background in mind rather than having transparent edging makes them look shit. At the very least there should be some sort of glow so the black edges unit symbols stand out against the new background.

I'd say the usage of only the unit symbols has been an issue with the army builder in general for a while too, particularly for new players. Combined with their shit catalogue it makes it very hard for new players to get a feel for the units.

I feel like they should have attempted to combine the catalogue and the army builder some more. Maybe an info box in the current view that when clicked shows the units fluff and a few images, and a way of browsing the unit list by name.

>>46179640
Army 6 has a different URL

>>46179681
>URL
So I saw, but it's giving me no page found.

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>>46179287
I miss the lack of dividers between unit types, but pic related is the most obvious fuck up I've found. Units with multiple profiles like bikers and manned TAGs are properly borked for me.

>>46179561
Go to the options sidebar, then click and drag Type to the top of that little sorting table. If you want the old unit orders, drag ISC to second place.

>>46179716
Thanks. Now it kinda makes sense as it did before.

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>>46179681
I've just realised you can now display the units vertically. That helps somewhat.

>>46179716
That should really be the default sorting order.
Maybe try not using a shit browser m8

>>46179831
>display the units vertically
You could do this in V

>>46179716
Thanks.

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>>46179681
>implying the catalogue will ever be finished and the website will ever stop being shit
I just want my unit fluff and ability to open new tabs back, CB. Is that truly too much to ask?

>>46179561
It seems that the new default order is by publishing.

>>46179716
Actually, what web browser are you using?
It seems to work fine in Edge, Chrome and Firefox, and it even seems to work properly in IE.

>>46179968
It fucks up in Chrome and Firefox for me. IE works fine in some ironic twist of fate.

>>46179287
Great, it works even more like shit for my phone

>>46180589
At least army 5 is still up while the kinked are worked out.

>>46179287
If you hit Options you can change the order in which units appear. Was suggested that you drag and drop to set it to
Classification->Publishing order->Unit Name->ISC

Now the real question- how the hell are you supposed to delete units from your list?

>>46182721
Far right next to units in the army list, cross icon appears.

>>46182721
I just click the red X that appears on the right of the bar that the unit entry on this list has when you hover over it.

>>46182949
>>46182999
Don't know how I missed that. Thankee.

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This new layout is pretty bad. Weird negative spaces.

Looks like it's back to Army V for me, at least while it's still up.

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Anyone else hold on to these?

Army 6 has some of the stat changes that will be in HSN3
My fueurbach azra'il lost his x-visor and only costs 39pts 1.5 swc down from 41 pts 2 swc

>>46184041
Of course!
Hint: they're good order counters. Just place the relevant card in your order pool for every miniature that generated the order. Obviously Camo ones need to be face down.
Doesn't work with figures from box sets, but no system is perfect.

>>46184041
Yeah. Seems a shame to throw out pretty pictures.
I played WM/H before Infinity, keeping cards was automatic

>>46184041
I hold on to them, if anything, to use as a reference for painting. I know some people stick them up as billboards for in universe terrain. Makes sense as propaganda.

I see you've got both the limited edition Joan of Arc and Yuan Yuan models.

>>46184081
As sparse as the differences are, I'm guessing errors as opposed to accidental leaks. That, and one of the differences is Achilles v2 losing fury..

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Bostria confirmed new Infinity week starting on the 28th for HSN3

>>46189289
That woman's outfit is pretty lewd

>>46189385
I'm sure she'd be like that if all the future kuang shi have to be stripped naked like that.

>>46189473
>>46189385

>Be sociopathic Kuang-Shi maker
>Have constant supply of people who can't complain, can't object, and no one cares about
>Do obvious things
>Military Liaison announces arrival
>Cannot Find pants
>No time!
>Find underwear
>Play it off as 'the latest fashion'

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So Voronin/puppy's Profile will have a new rule, Guardian.

>Antipode on a leash
Also isnt that like having a slave on a leash or something. I thought Antipodes are an intelligent/sentient race

>>46190231

Nonsense! Everyone know filthy xenos do not deserve any special 'rights' and anyone who is corrupted enough to complain is free to serve as their meals.

>>46190353
Pan-O starting to sound really familiar.

>>46190231
Who cares about an Antipodes feelings? What are you? an antipode lover?

>>46179287
I noticed that if I try to add a Moderator spec ops the cost in the list is 10 points instead of 9.

>>46190410
#antipodelivesmatter

>>46190371

>implying pan0 aren't already selling out humanity to filthy Tohaa

>>46190231
Something about this model just looks dopey as shit.

Maybe it's because he's standing next to a model that has almost the exact same pose..
>Thanks CAD design team!

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> Yu Jing has overrun Tohaa in Narooma Advanced Medical Complex

>>46190897

>inb4 those same filthy aliens pull out magical wins from their orifices

>>46190897
>>46191896

I'm just hoping those rascally punks of Red Team can keep the Astroport City, possibly making at least a noteworthy push for the plant.

>>46189289
Infinity week?

>>46192920

Team Blue should really teach those insolent little shits a lesson in etiquette.

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>>46193703

>>46193703
Haqqislam should rise up and throw Nomads out of the Astroport.

>>46194196

Indeed! They should stop being grovelling slaves and rise up against those who betrayed them!

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>>46193703

>>46168793
Got a scan of it, read through but didn't find any Tohaa fluff like there was for PanO, Nomads, etc in the Human Sphere Book. Or is that all the Tohaa fluff there is?

>>46195265

The only place to find Tohaa stuff is currently only in Campaign Paradiso book, since that was where they were formally introduced.

>>46195853
Akthually, Tohaas have been in the fluff since N1, but only at small snippets.

>>46196368
This is correct. Also Armand was one of CB's rpg/comic characters from before the game. So Tohaa had been on the side for a while until Campaign Paradiso.

>>46190231
They're literally Tines from A Fire Upon the Deep, so I'd assume a single Antipode is non-sentient.

>>46193741
Are there any more like this?

>>46194196
>>46194621
>Bluies flamming attempt

Yeah, so you can "borrow" the base from kebab to "help building defence", right?

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>>46198661
More dank memes?

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>>46198661
More memes

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>>46198661
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>>46195166
This gets me every time.

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I feel this is relevant to Infinity

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>>46198897
It even has stats!

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>>46198906
As is this.

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>>46198661

Shas gonna get resculpts?

>>46199091
If they do, I just hope they are similar to Noctifers/Corax Spec Ops/the dude that comes in the dire foes mission pack 5

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>>46198815
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>>46198906
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>>46199083
What's going on in this thread?

>>46199282
Someone asked for memes/comic edits.

Thread provided.

>>46199355
I'd like some more.

Are there any more?

>>46198720

Regardless, death to the Nomad slavers!

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>>46199622

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>>46200115
Fairly large amount of pics of our saviour, Lord Bostria.

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>>46200370
>>46200389
Explanations for these?

>>46200143
Now this is how you Infinity meme.

I looked into the new (and still kinda buggy) Infinity Army, where I also noted a bunch of new icons for most Imperial Service units.
Looks like all of those are getting the redesign love for HSN3.

Anything interesting (and probably not a bug) you guys have spotted there so far?

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>>46200025
>Nomads
>slavers

>>46201505

All those poor Haqqislam buggers you enslaved at the 'port will happily see you dead for the Betrayal.

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Locusts confirmed

>>46202472
sauce?

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>>46202482
Bugs in Army6. Krakot's unit logo is wrong for some armies

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>>46202549

>>46202549
>some
Is there a single army that Krakot profile shows up for right? They are clearly wrestling with the new code still.

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Krakots are in the PDF as well. Also so are Chest Mines

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Is there a tutorial/guidelines to look for when setting up terrain? I feel like when I set up its always either too much or too little

>>46202717
I really like this image

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>>46202817

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>>46202717
Funny thing is the "American style" as presented here is also Poland style (just add some crates all over it for "spice"). Which is what makes cheap warbands and camo spam so strong in the first place: no threat from long range weapons, plenty of room to move around and shotgun or chainrifle a unit several times it's cost no problem. It also makes using TAGs or Combat Jump so difficult.
I feel sometimes people try to overcompensate for 40K's "two big buildings is enough" mentality and it goes too far the other way.
Also neither of those tables feature any special terrain or low-visibility/saturation zones from what I see.

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>>46202651
Which PDF that is? It's not in the rulebook and not in the N3 Profiles one. At least Ctrl+F doesn't seem to find it.

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>>46202876

I'd actually prefer a mix of terrain densities, think of it like contour lines of a map. Some areas are built up and provide a lot of cover, with partial cover kind of increasing as you get nearer to it, while there's still some spaces on the map with wide, more open firelanes. This gives most units a niche they can be comfortable with.

Some objectives in the open have people scrambling for smoke and cover, trying to nab objectives, while those in more dense areas turn into firefights and melees.

You can imagine it by building terrain that has buildings and more open spaces broken maybe by some large crates, but entering the buildings there's a significantly higher density of cover from the building's walls and partial cover from chairs and tables and stuff.

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>>46202717
>posting the "sarcastic" american backlash and not the original

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>>46202978
I went to a big tournament scene in Florida last weekend, and was noting the infinity tables were rather denser than I was used too. This came to mind.