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IT AINT ME edition

>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html

>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
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>Orks are a melee race!
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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
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Re-post from the end of last thread.

/tg/ what's the last rule you read recently and went 'oh shit that's way better than I was playing it as'?

I just re-read servo skulls, didn't realize it also blocked scout moves as well as infiltration. I was playing it as blocking infiltrate only.
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I really need to stop late night ebaying.

I woke up and apparently I'm waiting for 3 Killa Kans, a Dakka Jet, 5 Stormboys, and 20 Grots to be delivered.

I have no memory of buying these things.
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Hammers of Dorn are better then Ultrmarines.

It's a fact.
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>>46144134
>>46144146
Orks are bad and Ork players should feel bad.
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>>46144086
>>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf

Link is dead.
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>>46144176
why should I feel bad for playing an army that's fun to play.
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>>46144204
Because I'm buying up Ork models on eBay and I want people to sell low.
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>>46144233
so you're that asshole who outbid me on that deathskulls trukk today!
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So I have a rather poor CSM army right now and I'm aiming for a Noise Marine styled army and I'm trying to think of what I should put in my other slots cause I have troops figured out, but now I'm now looking at elite, fast, and heavy. For fast I'm leaning towards Raptors and that's what I mainly want to ask about

Are Raptors worth taking if I don't want/have Heldrakes? I love their new models
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>>46144383

The question worth asking before giving advice is how competitive are you/is your local meta?
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Dark Mechanicus Design Philosophy:
>Take a vehicle
>Put a daemon in it
>????
>Profit

That about the gist of it?
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>>46144491
>weld that fucker in

You don't want the daemon getting out anon they're a bugger to get back in the tin.
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Where can I find pdfs of the Imperial Armour books?

I'm trying to grab a pdf on the 13th volume to read about the Traitor Guard and I decided I might as well try to locate all of the currently released ones.
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>>46144150
Slow and Purposeful, I thought they had to always roll for difficult terrain.
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>>46144171
Do they ever get friendly fire'd on for looking like better versions of the Black Legion?
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>>46144468
I haven't played but from what I understand from what I've been told by a coworker is we apparently have a lot of little tournies in the area so I imagine it's pretty competitive. But also considering I brought my CSM with me instead of my DE I already gave up on being competitive with my little chaos army
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>>46144170
Do you drink or take any other substances during these late nights?

When I got home from a great night of 40k yesterday I had $170 in my eBay cart before shaking it off.

Every time I get a game in my wallet burns for more plastic.

At this point I have trained my drunk self to leave the cart for me to check in the morning and either improve or deny the whole thing.

Instead of all four boxes I need I just got one to hold me over for now.
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>>46144556
Of course not, they're far too loyal for that.

There's also the bit where they decided to take on the Word Bearers because the Ultramarines still haven't beaten them yet.
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>>46144196
Change the V6 to V7
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>>46144649
>black, gold and red with a big-fuck-off-fur-shoulder

Someone taking so many design cues from Horus shouldn't look so loyal, but umf, by the Emperor he does.
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>>46144586
Shit I thought I was the only one who drunk-bought 40k, but here's two other anons who also do it. Last nights haul appears to be just shitty Black Library books, but I fear for my wallet the day that the CSM range gets updated.
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Is it heresy for loyalists to wear horned helmets?
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>>46144491
>>46144522
You forgot making it looking like a dinosaur but you're right still.
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>reading Eisenhorn

pretty good

what should I read next if I want some space marine novels or csm
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>>46144813
Have some more loyalty.
Just for you, citizen.
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So I just got a pathfinder team and was wonder weapons I should put on the foot troops. Any suggestions? I know people seem to shy away from the rail rifles.
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>>46144813
Horus's was just a wolf pelt and it wasn't red.
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>>46144898
Fall of Damnos :^)
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>>46144930
You don't need weapons, just charge.
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>>46144150
Tank Hunter.
If a single model have it, all its unit have it? Insane.
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>>46144964
Yeah as a new player trying to understand what confers and what doesn't makes a huge difference.
When my opponent told me my whole squad had Zealot because of my Chappy it made so much more sense why people like them.
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>>46144937
No but he had red elsewhere on his armour.

And I just love pelts dude.

I'm just happy to see someone other than a Space Wolf or Luns Wolf/Black Legion wear one.

Honorary mention for Salamanders scaly pelts
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>>46144383
Hellblade.

The guy never disappoint, and i feel it's the perfect piece in a Slaaneshi army.
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>>46145011
Papa Sang also had a pelt.
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>>46144537
Bump for this, would be appreciated
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>>46144146
>look mom I posted it again

jesus will you fuck off with this. spamming this shitpost every thread isn't funny, kid. consider the fact that a thread has 300 posts to autosage but your idiocy makes every thread 299 instead

>implying bump limit
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>>46145015
That thing is super shit, what are you talking about?
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>>46145011
Afraid I don't have any more with pelts, citizen, have some more Hammers of Dorn, instead.
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>>46144537
>Where can I find pdfs of the Imperial Armour books?
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>>46144964
Oh my, didn't realise this myself. Wonder if there is any potential funky stuff I can think of to go with my Tankbustas.
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>>46144897
Okay so, new idea, for my Iron Warriors/Dark Mech army, I'm going to get some WHFB Saurus Warriors, convert and paint them all robotic-like, justify them as a Dark Mech attempt at Men of Iron and use them as allied Chaos Daemons.

Gonna embrace the dinobots
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>>46145105

Dark Mech? This sounds like DANK Mech
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typography autist pls go
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>>46145137
Shooshoospookydghost!
Xenos will be purged!
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>>46145105
Post pictures when you get finished with it.
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>>46145062
What?
It's awesome (for CSM standard).

115 point for a 6 TL autocannon shots with rending, and it has a lot of utilities.
It can deepstrike to hit the rear of the vehicles, it has a teleport that makes him stay on the field, it has a 5+ invul so you don't need to jink, and reroll 1 to wound against a flier of you choosing.

It's fragile, but it's really nice.
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>>46144930
Bamp
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>>46144537
>>46145043

Wait more than thirty minutes to bump if you are being this completely retarded.
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>>46145094
I don't remember the details, but basically you can use the Tau Detachment (the one that let you use multiple units in the shooting as it was one) for some stupid tau shenanigans.
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>>46145205
>got a response
>bumps anyway
see >>46145210
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>>46145062
spot the taudarcron player. it's pretty good for CSM and is considered one of our better forgeworld units

;__;
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>>46144383
Play loyalists already, fuck gw
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>>46145191
Estimated time of completion: 3 months

So, um, don't hold your breath.

In the meantime here's some Heresy I found through quick googling.

Makes Wulfen just look like non-codex astartes pauldron trim schemes
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>>46145364
Oh, I can wait. As for your picture yep it's heresy.
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>>46145043
The Horus heresy thread has a link
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>>46144150
>You can overwatch out of open topped vehicles
I was mad
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>>46145585
Why, you'd miss anyway.
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>>46145681
I think he was mad because of that.
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>>46145701
>>46145681
Oh come on, 40 shoota shots out of a battlewagon at BS 1 is still going to kill some guys. My overwatch usually yields the same results as my shooting anyways
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>>46145732
Doesn't matter, when they pop the wagon you turn around and shoot again then assault the scraps.
Over watch is just a way to see if you shoot them out of range.
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>>46144134
Anyone who takes Sluggas and Choppas instead
of shootas is a stupid git
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>>46145812
>Boyz are a shooting unit!
>BS2
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>>46145263
Retarded response isnt a fucking response mouthbreather
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>>46145843
30 boyz at BS2 is at least able to attack before being cut down
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>>46145812
I use 13 footslogging slugga boyz in my army, they have 'eavy armour and the nob has a big choppa.

last game they manged to beat up a group of plague marines and won the game for me!
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>>46145908
And my Grots killed a Flying Hive Tyrant, anacedotal evidence is bad and so is your footslogging army
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>>46145881
Fuck off retard
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>>46145137
Gb2YTC.
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>>46145926
So what?

I'd rather play a bad army with other bad players and enjoy myself than play live in the world that /tg/ does where every army has 3 riptides and 2 wraith knights.
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>>46145881
doesnt excuse your newfaggyness, you cunt.
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>>46145957
>I'd rather play a bad army with other bad players

Now your victory by footslogging is even less impressive.
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>>46145957
>I don't care that my army is bad

Then stop weighing in on arguments about the ways in which they are bad.
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>>46144134

>orks are manlets

explains a lot about ork players
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>>46146000
Can confirm, play Orks, I'm 5'7 and engaged.
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>>46145926
Anectotal evidence beats armchair mathammer.
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>>46145105
>scrapcode intensifies
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>>46145975
Yeah, cause I haven't been around this shithole of a site since the year it was created.
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>>46145843
>12" str 4 ap 6 shot + 4 attacks attacks on charge
>18" str 4 ap 6 2 shots + 3 cc attacks on charge
>shooty edition
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>>46146051
Not sure if trolling or milennial
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>>46145888
18 Shootas will inflict 12 S4 hits, followed by 24 S4 hits in assault.
18 Boys in assault will inflict 36 S4 hits, after an additional 6 S4 hits from Sluggas for a point less a piece.

This assumes the Boyz lose no models before they strike, and that they're facing WS4 opponents.
It really depends, where is it safer to have your boys? In assault where they can't get shot, or not losing boys before they strike. Both have their place, however if Boys charge Necrons, Tau, or something with unwieldy, Slugga Boys are ded killyier.
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>>46146051
>implying Feels>Facts
go back to /tumblr/
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Where do you guys keep your minis when you aren't using them?
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>>46144491
>take ANYTHING
>put a daemon in it
>enjoy your 100% better object
Fix'd. Guns, Servitors, salad spinners... daemons are a cheap, renewable power source!
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>>46146144
Mathammer is great if you replace dice with sliderules, tables with blackboards and reduce terrain to a set of variables.

But by then you're not playing warhammer.
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>>46145334
>Ikea Detolf display case
Mein nigga
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>>46144628

5E didn't even have flyers, dipshit.

Yes, I'm bringing up something this old, because I'm tired of you faggots flopping around on /tg/ not realizing how fucking stupid you are.
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>>46146208
Yeah, but they tend to just shoot whatever they want, rather than what you want them to shoot.

Gods help you if they get loose and break their bindings, too. That's a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.
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>>46146212
And pretending that because you totally won the game with a single squad of nobs that one time makes them good is even less helpful.

Mathhammer can tell you what you can expect out of a particular unit. It's a way to make judgements in a vacuum. Obviously, in a real battle, not all of that math is going to hold up. Sometimes the dice don't go your way, or the terrain doesn't suit your force.

That doesn't make Mathhammer useless, and it doesn't mean that a unit you've had success with is good and everyone else just 'isn't seeing it' or whatever.
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>>46146176
Actual results>Hypothetical equations that fail to account for unit density, warlord traits, deployment, inter-unit synergy.
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>>46146313
Noone said Nobs were good.
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Thinking about impulse buying 5 more Chaos raptors to go with the 5 I already have. Are they still good as a Fast Attack choice or are bikes permanently superior in every way?
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>>46146193

on a shelf but they get dusty as fuck! I want to get a glass case like yours but you seem to have a lot of wasted space, I mean can't you put more levels there?
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>>46146193
I usually keep two armies in their boxes and put the remaining one on my desk. Usually I'll keep WIPs on my desk to motivate me to finish them, but my grey Space Marines are just sitting on my desk, waiting to become Imperial Fists.
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>>46146360
Min squad deepstriking flamer raptors can do some great back field harassing.
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>>46146270
>Gods help you if they get loose and break their bindings, too.
Then you didn't build it right. The whole reason we LEFT the corpsefuckers behind was so we could INNOVATE! Engineer it however you want, just make sure those uppity batteries stay where they belong; powering my fucking brake lights.
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>>46146193

I've got 2 shelves in my dining room/work area that I keep my current armies on.
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>>46146403
Thanks! I've got a flamer on the one "shooty" raptor in the squad, can they take two special weapons per squad, or is that just the regular Assault Marines? I might have them mixed up.
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>>46146193
Packed up in their case, mostly.
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>>46146313
>In a vaccum
But the game is not a vacuum, same reason noone sane would let a mathematician design their house.
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>>46146457
They get two which is why they can be very deadly harassers, just don't get too attached to them.
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>>46146352
>Noone said Nobs were good

Nobody needed to. It literally doesn't matter what unit it was.

>>46145908 claimed 13 boys with heavy armor and a nob with a big choppa, footslogging, won him the game. It doesn't matter what it was, since he could have said anything.

That aside, there are a ton of different reasons why that might have worked in that case, when mathhammer shows that there would be better options for the same points.

Maybe he's right and they are amazing? Maybe he's a tactical genius and just doesn't realize it? Or maybe his footslogging troops got ignored and ended up having rolls go very well in their favor.

The thing Mathhammer does is let you answer the question of whether or not something else
would have done just as well, if not better. Does that Nob need a Big Choppa? Would he be better served just buying another Boy? Would ditching the heavy armor for more boys work better? Would ditching the heavy armor for a trukk work better?

You can't just say 'I use this and it won me a game once' and except everyone to just throw down their hands. Winning one game with one unit doesn't make it good.
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>>46146500
Knowing the percentage of success of a particular action is pretty helpful in making good decisions in a game though.
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>>46146208
>I hear Forgefiends are awfully loud
>they scream and project nightmares aloud

>Is there a chance the guns could bend?
>Not on your life, my Warpsmith friend

>the ring came off my pudding can
>Infuse a daemon, my good man

>I swear it's Chaos's only choice, throw up your mecha-tendrils and raise your vox... Dinobots! Dinobots! DinoBots!
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>>46146500
>But the game is not a vacuum, same reason noone sane would let a mathematician design their house.

But you're not saying that. You're saying that because you managed to build a structure that didn't immediately fall over, that you can throw out numbers entirely and not bother measuring silly things like the size of boards or how much weight your bearings can support.

Numbers are important.
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>>46146503
Ok then. I wish I hadn't given the Raptor Champion lightning claws now, but then most of my champion models are based on Rule of Cool, not really points.
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>>46146603
DINO!
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>>46146625
Attach a flamer to the claws. Thinking of which, for a 20 point investment (which is blood expensive for a 95 unit already) you can give your raptors 2x flamers + your champion a combi-flamer for 3 templates after deep striking.
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>>46146264
But 5E did have flyers.
It didn't have flyer rules.

They were skimmers with added rules
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Any scans or uploads of the Overkill genestealer cult rules yet? I don't see anything in the mega
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>>46146360

Bikes are permanently superior in every way except they can't deep strike or jump over buildings.
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>>46146661
Ha shit, looks like they're actually on the GW website. Who woulda guessed
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>>46146654

He specifically talked about CSM flyers which means 6E Heldrakes. Necrons and Chaos were also not a dominant pair of armies until 6E. 5E was dominated by IG, GK, SW, and Necrons.
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>>46146644
Sounds like a plan, thanks!
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>>46146709
Anyone who's been following GW since shield of baal?
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>>46146264
>>46146654
>>46146712
>ITT: a bunch of autists interpret muddled memory of events four years prior as some form of intentional shitposting
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>>46146193
I kept them in the cases for the most part. However recently I have actually started to display them in my own detolf. I keep my Doom Scythe on my desk though.
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>>46146804

If you don't even have a clear recollection of something, don't bitch about it, faglord.

Making those complaints about 6E would have garnered you a round of applause and agreement. Saying the same things about 5E just make you look like a fucking idiot.

It's like confusing WWI and WWII.
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>>46146873
So then you should be relieved that I do in fact agree with you, and that 6E sucked.

Calm your man-tits.
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>>46146193
Hey you fucking mongloid paint that god damn Ork Apoc plane
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>>46146989
He's been posting the progress on building it in /wip/ recently, that thing's been built for less than 2 weeks, tops.
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>>46147017
I know, im just giving him shit, its already inspired me to make a C130 version for my Orks
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>>46146919
>I was wrong but I totally meant 6E

No, shut the fuck up. You were wrong and don't even know what you're talking about yet still refuse to acknowledge that you couldn't even remember the edition right.
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>>46147073
Why so hostile, did something upset you?

If you're having problems in your life posting angry messages to people you don't know won't make you feel better.
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>>46144383
>Are Raptors worth taking if I don't want/have Heldrakes?

Yes. Just understand they will probably die horribly, though not before forcing your opponent to divert resources to protect backfield units.

I run a mono-Slaanesh list like you want to, and I use two Raptor Squads and either a Heldrake or unit of 3 Spawn. All of them are pretty effective if used correctly, and I'm trying to get a Storm Eagle to drop my Raptors out of so they can drop in and fuck shit up Turn 2.
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>>46146208
>Cheap
Hoooooooooooooo boy. You may not see the cost, but there absolutely will be one...
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So here's a question.

Was there ever an update to the Vortex Deathstrike missile Apoc formation? Because 7th ed appears to have made it...meaner, as far as I can tell.

If there's no errata, it remains a 10" wide 'fuck you' plate that instagibs every unit except superheavies and GMC's (which also stand a good chance of getting rekt, since it eats d3 SP, which would update to d3*3 HP, and GMCs take d6 HP), leaving behind a vortex effect.

If it HAS been errata'd to a 10" Vortex weapon, then it hits as a Destroyer weapon (which may or may not be WORSE) and then leaves behind a TEN-INCH VORTEX (vortexes are the same size as the blast that created them), which even on an apoc table will consume a good chunk of the table before dissappearing.

For the price of a standard infantry platoon + a lord commissar and making it able to launch more easily, this is beast.
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>>46147462
About 15 points
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What's the most anime race/faction in 40k?
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>>46147125

Says the shitposter.
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>>46147506
Felenids
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>>46147500
And the most important model being transported.
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>>46147486
>For the price of a standard infantry platoon + a lord commissar and making it able to launch more easily, this is beast.
It's kind of fragile and even with camouflage not too difficult to take out before it can launch.
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>>46147567
Not to mention it has a 48" minimum range
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>>46144171
A shame they have a huge lack of fluff other than:
>Follows the Codex even more than the Ultrasmurfs.
>Dorn is the favored son because he actually fought by the Emprah's side, unlike Guilliman.
>Best color scheme confirmed.
>They decided that the Word Bearers are their main enemy, in order to prove that the Ultrasmurfs are losers for not taking then down already.
>Seriously, best color scheme.
>Just look at it.
>Underfluffed, like a bunch if other chapters.
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>>46146193
>Ikea Detolf display shelf
Mein nigga
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>>46147600
I like that they legitimately hate the Ultrasmurfs. Like full-on, hate them.
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What faction has the most autistic fanbase?
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>>46147738
Imperials
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>>46147738
Define "autistic," the term can mean just about anything on nowadays 4chan.
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>>46147738

Space Marines. Fans actually created the 1000 canon space marine chapters in a list.
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>>46147738
It's all of us anon, just depends what day it is.
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>>46147738
None because you're using the 4chan definition of autism.
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>>46144086
Any chance of getting the novel link back up?
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Watched the cheese of Wulfin firsthand today. Now I kinda regret starting space wolves.
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>>46148175

They're a solid high end of the middle tier army. Playing them isn't going to make you some kind of monster.
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>>46148175

what happen?
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>>46148175
>implying Wulfen was the start

Are you a newfag or just bad at the game?

5E GH bullshit
5E Longfang bullshit
5E Wolf Guard Wolf Banner bullshit
6E TWC bullshit
7E TWC bullshit
7E Fenrisian Wolf bullshit

And 7E Wulfen is what tipped you off, huh?
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>>46148238
It started with 2E.

friendly reminder that space wolves had the first codex ever, and it was really fucking easy to break
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>>46148229
Nids vs Space Wolves.
Turn 2 nids lost half their army on the counter charge. And with the wolves thunderwolf Calvary getting buffs from the wulfin they tore through the nids bigger dudes. And that list is 70% my list. Shit feels bad since the space wolves guy left after that and the salt was huge. So then they look at me who just got into 40k and picked wolves cause they looked cool.
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>>46148238
I am a newfag so yeah.
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>>46148325
Unless you've already bought that many thunderwolf calvary and wulfen, you don't have to go for them. Space Wolves have tons of other units to choose from.
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>>46148364

Well don't worry, because SW have always been slightly better than regular Space Marines so it's nothing new.

Right now everyone has much bigger problems than some Wulfen buffs, like putting up with Tau and Eldar.
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>>46148325
>picked wolves cause they looked cool
What's it like being a furry?
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>>46144290
>playing Deathskulls
>not making all of your trukks out of rhinos with all the doors cut off.
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>>46148325

Tyranids are a shitty army anyway. That Tyranid player did not have a powerful build, because he was able to be charged by TWC. The only Tyranid build that can do well right now has a bunch of flying monsters in it, which can't be charged until they're knocked out of the sky.
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>>46148433
I saw Vikings. No wolf memes.
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>>46144150
Sadly I somehow missed that flame template weapons ignore cover
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>>46148433
>le furry maymay
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>>46144086
Hey so I was here a while ago asking for advice on a 1500 point casual Imperial Fists List and I think I have a nearly finished product. Was just wondering how the final list looks and if there is anything that can be tweaked. Also, if something looks out of place it's probably because I already have the model and I wanted to include it after I got the necessities done with. (I won't list-spam, I promise, dad.)

1499 / 1500 pts

HQ (2)

Librarian Lvl 2 (100 pts)
>Combi-Plasma
>Force Sword

Sternguard Veteran Squad (195 pts)
>5x Combi-Plasma
Drop Pod

Troops (3)

10x Tactical Marines (135 pts)
>Flamer
>1x Heavy Bolter
>Melta Bombs
Rhino

10x Tactical Marines (135 pts)
>1x Missile Launcher
>1x Plasma Gun
Rhino

10x Tactical Marines (135 pts)
>1x Combi-Plasma
>1x Plasma Gun
>Melta Bombs
Rhino

Heavy Support (2)

8x Devastator Marines (192 pts)
>4x Lascannons

8x Devastator Marines w/ Veteran Sergeant (177 pts)
>4x Heavy Bolter
>1x Storm Bolter

Fast Attack (1)

1x Land Speeder (55)
>Multi-Melta

Vehicle(Walker) (1)

Venerable Dreadnought (175)
>Assault Cannon
>Extra Armour
Drop Pod

Artillery (1)

Thunderfire Cannon (100 pts)

Fortification (1)

Aegis Defence Line (100 pts)
>Quad Gun
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>>46144552
What about S&P lets you ignore difficult terrain?
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>>46149233
>HQ (2)
Wat?

Are you taking 2 librarians or did you just fuck up and not put the Sternguard in Elites where they belong?

Same with your Venerable Dread- WTF is it doing in Fast Attack?

>Vet sergeant on the Devastators, with Storm bolter
... wat?
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>>46149504
S&P used to act as though the miniature was always in difficult terrain. 2D6 pick the highest, even in open ground.

New S&P doesn't do that.
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Neither Tau or Eldar are that hard to deal with, you just have to change your playing style. If Tau get the first turn, you have to Null deploy.
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>>46149576
I didn't know how to show that the librarian was attached to the Sternguards on the list.
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>>46149233

1 Librarian ML2, Bolt Pistol, Force Staff

5 Sternguard, 5 Combi-Plasma, Drop Pod
1 Dreadnought, Assault Cannon, DCCW, Drop Pod

10 Tacticals, 1 Flamer, 1 HB, Melta Bombs, Rhino
10 Tacticals, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 ML, Rhino
10 Tacticals, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Combi-Plasma, Melta Bombs, Rhino

1 Land Speeder, MM

5 Devastators, 4 Lascannons
5 Devastators, 4 HB
1 Thunderfire Cannon

1 ADL, Quad Gun

Use the extra points for another Librarian or squad.
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>>46149661
>you just have to change your playing style

You're a moron. All discussion against those races assumes you play optimally. No shit it's bad advice to say "that army is hard if you play like shit against them" you dumb fuck.

Null deploying with an army that isn't built for it or a race that simply can't will also get you killed. Have fun slowly trickling in your forces as they get removed instantly by the Stormsurges or teleport into rocks/fall in lava/scatter off the board.
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>>46149665
You write your LIST as a legal list.

You then add in your post

>"I'm planning to put the Librarian in with the Sternguards, he's going to be rolling for powers on [psychic discipline] in the hopes of [doing something]."

Still doesn't excuse your 'Artillery' and 'Vehicle (Walker)' slots.
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>>46149667
Thanks! Very helpful feedback. But shouldn't I keep the Thunderfire for some form of anti-air or is it not that important? Sorry, I'm new to the hobby.
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>>46149742
thunderfires can't hit flyers
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>>46149615
Ohh, that's what he meant.

I thought he was saying they got to ignore difficult terrain now and I about flipped my shit.

Carry on.
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>>46149735
Got it. Again, sorry, I am new to the hobby. So I should put the Dread and Thunderfire under heavy support?
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>>46149772
>>46149742

... Your Thunderfire cannon isn't your AA. Your ADL with Quad-Gun is.

Yes, the Dread and Thunderfire are Heavy Support choices.
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>>46149887
Fuck, realised that was wrong as I posted.

The Dread is an Elite, the Thunderfire is Heavy Support.
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>>46149906
Okay thanks.
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>>46148175
>>46148238
>>46148325
What world do you guys live in that Space Wolves are good? Space Wolves are fucking garbage in 7th edition. Wulfen should die to shooting far before they charge anything.
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>>46144150
Jink and Prefered Enemy. If a single model has it, they all have it.
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>>46150265
Only the models with the jink rule get the cover save
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>>46144150
Also, chance of perils is n(n-1)/72 where n is the number of dice rolled. 50% perils rate is somewhere between 6 and 7 dice.
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>play first game in like a year with orks against marines
>make a list in my head
>actually do pretty well, still got tabled but put up a decent fight
>Few days later sit down and write out the same list for future use
>actually brought 350 extra points on accident
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>>46148455
Yes. It is agreed. There is no other tyranid build than flyrant spam. To do otherwise makes you a bad player.

Here is your list if you do not suck.

5 tld flyrant
2 mucalid
3 lictor
2 mawloc
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>>46150256
>quotes a post talking about 5E
>wasn't aware of 5E SW shitting all over BA and C:SM
>doesn't know that TWC are Wraith-tier once given psychic support and are one of the only two playable non-superheavy assault units in the game
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>>46150481
>To do otherwise makes you a bad player.

Nowhere in that post was that implied. Try again but without less butthurt autism and strawmanning.

By definition running inferior armies and lists means you are the more skilled player since you're the one with the handicap.
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>>46150346
I did that the last time I brought orks to a tourney, except I was 200 points under and still won a few games. Mental.
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>>46150311
This is correct
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>>46150560
The post in question also talks about 7E TWC and Fensirian wolves, and implies that Wulfen are "bullshit" too.

5E is behind us, I'm talking about 7E, and in 7E TWC die like bitches and don't win tournaments (which is the only real metric we have for this sort of thing).
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>>46150603
>The only Tyranid build that can do well right now has a bunch of flying monsters in it

I'm just agreeing with you. It is impossible to field any alternate nid build and do well in a game of Warhammer 40K. The Internet has taught us this. Thanks for spreading the word.
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>>46144171
then why do they look to Calgar as their spiritual liege?
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>>46150346
>ork players still lose while cheating

Pretty pathetic desu senpai
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>>46150823
FALSE!
DORN AND ONLY DORN!
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>>46150893
There must be a word for a rivalry where only one side cares about it.

Oh yes,
>Jealousy
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how is D-99 and whats good bits to make it with that isn't just forgeworld bux?
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>people unironically like the ultrafags
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Hey Guys Reddit are a bunch of fags and i cant find a working email to contact Zanchui anywhere, any /tg/ bros willing to hook me up?
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>>46151020
dont be a Nob
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My roommate keeps telling me the Emperor is just a corpse on a throne. What should I do?
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>>46151035
dude ive looked and looked and the only email i can find is from some catalogue from a year ago, i tried 2 times to send an order according to the proper formatting and shit and i never got a reply for either. I just want me some sweet sweet genestealer cult without havign to buy Fucking deathwatch overkill for $280 AUD
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>>46151020
no
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>>46151020
He isn't taking new customers. He had a huge backlog and his email blew up thanks to le reddit fags.

You are better off finding a different recaster.

People ask every fucking thread for this guy.
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>>46150722

Only one good build existing for a given faction is completely irrelevant to the autistic spiel you were having one post earlier about how a player is bad based on his army choices.
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>>46150946
SILENCE ULTRASMURF!
YOU CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE CODEX AS GOOD AS THE HAMMERS OF DORN.
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Whelp, here's some going away music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_tORtmKIjE

I had my last game with the LGS' Orkbro today. Ork-bro had a kill-points game against a Gladius, where he got 7 points to my 0 over the course of 5 turns. It was a great and fun game, but after the game, my ork-bro approached me to tell me that he was quitting 40k. He was tired of playing a faction that only wins once every 20 games, and having games where he takes out over a hundred models, and puts them back in almost as fast as he takes them out..

I'll miss him dearly... Now the only person left at my LGS is the salty veteran chaos player, who was so excited to tell me about some new chaos leaks today.
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>>46150704

Not TWC, but SW tops:

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Aaron-Aleong-8th-Overall-LVO-2016.pdf

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Geoff-Thompson-4th-Best-Overall-Las-Vegas-Open-2015.pdf

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/10th-Michael-Vagenos-NovaOpen-2015.pdf
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>>46151020
>tfw used to be this guy
>tfw find the email
>tfw I can now be the guy who says "It's not hard :^)"
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>>46151053
Get a priest to bless some petrol then cover this room mate in it and set that heretic alight. If you can't get a priest an imam and some battery acid will work.
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>>46151073

Why does recast have to be a fucking exclusive super secret club? Fuck me for not wantign to pay out my fucking ass in shitty australian gw prices.

So if youve ordered in the past your fine but god forbid someone new wants to get a good deal right.

Seriously aggravating, i can either pay full price in gamesworkshop, or can attempt to go through some fuckign russian reseller of Z stuff like all4wargames, who apparently rips people off all the time anyway.

Between paying full price because i CANT buy recasts or not at all.... ill choose not at all. Fuck my life.
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>>46151090

What other recaster? give me a fucking name bro its not like people advertise this shit on google.
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>>46151107
so mad they have to look for specific shit while the ultras are out doing the emperors work
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>>46151013
I'll bite. I'm collecting Ultramarines as it's my second time getting hooked in the hobby and I felt like learning properly on an easier-to-play army.

Space-Rome is a cool aesthetic
I don't take myself that seriously (people at the LGS were surprised when I started calling my dudes Ultrasmurfs)
Gulliman ain't perfect, but he's alright for a primarch.
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>>46151160
because all this bullshit is the only thing that keeps Games Workshop from suing him to oblivion

if you've got his original email like you claim, just send an email and be fucking patient
he'll either choose to reply or not, and if he doesn't there's nothing anyone here can do about that
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>>46150141
I can't tell what this is trying to get across.
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>>46151175
Why so they can blow up like Z did?
I know at least two threads ago two or three were mentioned. At most three threads but it has been slow.

Follow the links from other eople asking for Z's info in the archive.
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>>46151160
>Why are illegal things difficult to procure
>What is supply and demand
>What is GWs legal team
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>>46151175
Literally browse reddit for 10 seconds and you will see dozens of recasters reviewed and named, and finding their contact requires only mild googlefu.
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>>46151143

:(
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The last time I shared my recasters info I got tits, just sayin...
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>>46151107
I now see why this chapter is so attractive to the denizens of /40kg/
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>>46151214

ive spent over 3 or 4 hours going through uncountable reddit threads, and cant get a single working access point to actually buy anything. Dont act as if its so god fucking damn easy
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>tfw warhammer fantasy threads are comfy as fuck ever since aos launched and we can all just talk about what third party we buy our models from

I feel bad for all you 40k people who don't already have armies, and stoop to buying basement made finecast bootlegs.

I feel bad for aus bros and buying things in general
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>>46151243
it honestly is
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>>46151199
I think it's just a meme about how the box includes a lot of bits for $30.
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>>46151243
The same day I wanted my non Z casters info I got it so dont act as if it is so fucking hard.

now I found one in my own country, ha!
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>>46146045
Oooo, congrats. Does she support your hobby?
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>Thinking about getting back into WH40K
>See the prices of the models
What in the flying fuck
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How do you get the recaster's email then?

I mean is it just impossible at this point?

Would someone be willing to email it to me?

>email above related I swear I'm not some fucking GW shill pls
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>>46151273
You used to be able to buy the contents of the box minus the little weapon sprue for £8 cheaper than the actual company veteran box.
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>>46151175
If you really care, start reading the recent /40kg/ archive- it's boring and tedious, but if you really want to know, put the effort in.

>I don't even want to know recaster names but know 3 because sometimes people are slack as fuck
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>>46151322
If I do it will be a labor love because I will remake a whole new throw away.
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>>46151160
Absolutely none of us care about what price you have to pay, and we owe you nothing. No one wants to get their plastic crack dealer on GW Legal's radar, and we sure as hell aren't going to take the risk of giving you the good recasters names and info.

Any idiot with a pulse can find the common ones anyway.
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>>46151322
you said you already had one here >>46151057
if you send an order to that, he'll reply to your order with the new email if he wants to do business with you
the other guys are a lot easier to find on reddit
one of them literally has a reddit account and replies to anyone who messages him on that
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>>46151350
pls
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>>46151322
> Willing to post your own personal email on /tg/ to get chinaman
> Background check clears out, you're a real person.
Had to make sure, but providing your real email allows you to be doxxed enough to determine whether or not you're a real person. Now I know you're not a GW lawyer, have fun.
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>>46151350
>>46151372
thanks a ton senpai
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If you losers are too poor and stupid to afford GW's toys you can at least try and be resourceful and find out how to buy recasts on your own.
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>>46146360
Raptors can Deep Strike and jump over terrain like it's not even there. This is a major advantage if you play on high-density maps with multiple levels (As all games should be played). Melta-Raptors generally are a solid threat against anything armored, and can really fuck over backfield artillery units that think they're safe behind an Aegis line or that LoS blocking hill.

Otherwise, bikes are generally better but way less cool than dropping from above and smiting all who dare oppose you
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>>46151203

Dude ive just looked through the last 10 archived generals, no emails mentioned, no other recasters mentioned,. Why get my hoped up? Fuck people like you shit me off
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>>46151132
>1st list is DA Primary and uses them for nothing but cyberwolves/Iron Priests
>2nd and 3rd lists are a year old

Look at their recent LVO and NOVA performance. Awful overall.
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>>46151372
>>46151442
>>46151466
whichever one of you faggots posted your email are in luck.
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>>46151504
>cyberwolves/Iron Priests

Aka SW unique units.
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>>46151504

Everyone did awful at LVO except Eldar.
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>>46146193
I have a few wall shelfs for my favorite scratchbuilds and such over my work desk, but the majority live in droors and on bookshelves.
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>Tfw old Z customer with complete access
>Tfw his casts can be ass and i want to find different recasters
>theyre all either long gone or underground and never taking new customers
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>>46151550
>tfw Z is the only one who does sisters
>his basic sisters are almost always miscast and I have to wait a month for new ones from china
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>>46151550

Learning to deal with shitty resin casts is mandatory for anyone who plans on using resin models.

Doesn't matter where you get them. It's like saying you don't need to learn how to drive a car because you bought your car from XYZ or have a Google automatic driving car.
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>>46151550
>>46151575
>tfw poorfags who have never held a model in their hands other than their one recaster's stuff claims it's "better than the original"
>every day
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To the guys who gave me info thanks a ton

also a bit confused I got two different ones, but I'll try both

Also here to prove I'm a 'real nigga' for one of the anons who hooked me up
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>>46151602
>tfw my recast landspeeder ways more than two of my plastic ones
As far as detail goes you couldn't tell the difference though. I tell people I filled it in to add weight and plan on doing it to others.I could probably open up my normal ones and glue in some washers to add weight.
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>>46151627
noice bod
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>>46151627
Enjoy your ban tomorrow gayboy.
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>>46151627
Not again
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So /40kg/, what is your absolute favorite set/model that you find the most fun to build/best looking? My favorite kit would have to be Warp Talons/Chaos Raptors. While yes, the new jump packs are a bit derpy and tend to draw blood from your thumbs, the kit is fun as hell and the results always look gorgeous. They actually manage to make chainswords look sexy, and the helmets are 10/10. IMO the best Chaos kit GW has put out in years.
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>46151627
Oh fucking hell, not this shit again.
Well, this time you're not getting a (you) from me. Seriously anon, that pic has nothing to do with anything, don't post it.
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>>46151627
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