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Nontraditional tiefling edition: what tieflings have you played that weren't plain-jane red-and-horny?
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>>46129078
Don't hide it from me /pfg/, tell me aboutyour favorite sorcerer bloodline
>>46140044
I've only played one tiefling, but they're pretty standard. Wings, tail, hermaphroditic (but that's not going to come up in game)
>>46140044
The tiefling I am currently playing in my just-started Hell's Vengeance game has the Pass as Human alternate racial trait, and the only hints of his heritage are his horns (they're SUPER flat and stubby, as well as protruding from his scalp) and generally are hidden by his rather short hair) and his amber-colored eyes.
My MOST non-traditional tiefling was this guy right here.
Dirty trick seems like a pretty fun CMB, Can you take maneuver mastery for it?
So I'm working on a Lunar Oracle. I'm having trouble picking a Curse, and feats. What are the better curses and what feats will help me with spellcasting and going into melee at the same time?
Does Discipline Focus damage increase stack if a weapon is associated with more than one discipline and I have that feat for more than one of them?
>>46140093
Maestro any day.
>>46140538
No. Same source bonuses don't stack.
>>46140434
Hunger gives you a Bite attack, which would be good for Lunar Oracles focusing on stacking natural attacks.
Skinwalker
Lunar oracle vmc barbarian
warsighted archetype
lame curse
focus on natural attacks
>>46140596
Does a Molten Current user have anything to gain from Steady Hand and other boosts that increase range increment?
Is spell combat close enough two weapon fighting to use Thrashing Dragon maneuvers?
>>46140658
>>46140617
What is this?
>>46140688
Variant Multiclassing. You can sacrifice feats to get Barbarian class features, mainly Rage. the Lame Curse makes you immune to fatigue, so you can start and stop raging freely with no penalty, even within the same round, since it's always a free action to start or stop.
>>46140686
Spell combat is not two weapon fighting.
The ranged current maneuvers don't gain anything from range increment boosts because they don't have a range increment, just a maximum range.
>>46140093
Impossible, especially in Iron Gods. Why build robots when you can just brainwash them? Psychic is a close second.
>>46140617
>>46140658
>>46140688
Likely a response to >>46140434
>>46140044
Shackleborn tiefling, blue skin and lots of piercings, stitches and bodymods. Had horns at one point, big metal studs that screwed right into her skull.
Oni-spawn, hedonistic bloodrager. Blue skinned, rolled hermaphrodite on her alternate features. Built a harem of men and women alike, one of her favorites was a gnome alchemist girl who could brew some serious sake.
Hey there,
I'll be running my first Pathfinder session in a few weeks and I just got my rulebook. I only ever played Call of Cthulhu, and I'm a little bit confused about the setting/world of Pathfinder. I got the PDF of the Inner Sea Campaign Guide, but even that doesn't really tell me what I think I should know (for example, in which region would a beginner's group start off?). Am I just supposed to do all of that myself with Golarion in general being a kind of blueprint, or am I missing something here?
Also, anybody have a recommendation for a level 1 adventure? I'm fine with creating one myself, but I do feel a little overwhelmed right now.
>>46140843
Get an Adventure Path. Curse of the Crimson Throne is good.
>>46140843
>in which region would a beginner's group start off?
Any of them. It's not like an MMO "each area has level guidelines", the different regions in Golarion are just meant to be a pastiche of different fantasy themes.
Like how Osirion is Magic Egypt and Andoran is Magic America.
>Am I just supposed to do all of that myself with Golarion in general being a kind of blueprint
Yes.
>Also, anybody have a recommendation for a level 1 adventure? I'm fine with creating one myself, but I do feel a little overwhelmed right now.
Take a look at the Pathfinder Adventure Paths. Literally the whole point of them is to provide a campaign's worth of adventures.
>>46140722
GRANTED MANEUVERS AND ALTERNATE RECOVERY METHODS sidebar: these feats may only be used on expended maneuvers, or on withheld ones too?
>>46140965
Only on expended maneuvers. Withheld maneuvers are still readied, just unavailable as is stated in the Mystic and Warpath's recovery methods.
>>46140922
Curse if the Crimson Throne has an updated version coming out at the end of the year, otherwise you need to convert everything from 3.5 to PF. Minor, but lots of details.
Try an AP that already works in PF, and pick one based on what your group will enjoy.
>>46140044
There's a whole thread about this up right now.
>>46140922
>>46140948
>>46141026
Alright, I'll check it out, thanks!
>>46140716
Don't burn your rage rounds TOO quickly, there
>>46140992
I tried asking Gareth last night, but I wanted to get confirmation.
If I am playing an 18 Str Initiator with Martial Charge, and I charge a bad guy with my Nodachi and use both the Rising Zenith Strike and Momentum Crash, will my damage look like the following?
>(1d10+6)x2 + 10
Additionally, if the attack crits, will it then become
>(1d10+6)x2 + 1d10+6 + 10
>>46141079
What did Gareth tell you the answer was?
>>46140843
It's a kitchen sink setting. It's got everything, not necessarily one at.
Wanna kill giants overtop lost arcane kingdoms? You've got Varisia.
Wanna fight revolutions in not!France? There's Galt.
Evil empires? Check out Cheliax.
>>46141165
>evil empire
>always Cheliax
>never Nidal
Fukkin casuals haven't even lasted a century yet. The Umbral Court has had an iron grip on their little patch of shadows, and been pulling strings all over Golarion, for TEN THOUSAND YEARS.
>>46141124
Nothing, which is why I said I tried asking him.
>>46141429
You also said you were trying to get confirmation, which I assumed meant he answered you already.
Fortunately, the answer is pretty simple. Your damage would be
>(1d10+6)x2
Because Rising Zenith Strike is a skill check maneuver and thus can't crit. Beyond that, extra damage from a maneuver is never multiplied on a critical hit.
>>46141463
Okay. I'm just making sure, because /pfg/ had told me otherwise waaaaaay back in early 2015, and I just wanted clear, concise, 100% incontrovertible proof that my DM has every reason to be angry with me.
Luckily the Bushi Brutal Stalker with ST I am going to be playing soon won't be making the same mistake.
Would /pfg/ play a one-shot of Rasputin Must Die where the PCs are a tank crew?
>>46141521
As long as we go full cheekie breekie
>>46141521
Sure, why not.
>>46141521
Depends on when, but I could be down.
Does anybody need players for a game? I've been trying to find a group for my brother and I and it's hard to find decent people to game with anymore.
>>46140093
Protean, just a very fun theme, followed by undead.
>>46141742
>it's hard to find decent people to game with
Does /pfg/ really qualify?
Stat me
>>46142069
Everyone here are lovely people and their game is ace.
/pfg/ is a magical realm of amazing gamers who know their shit and are willing to punish players who try to make suboptimal builds, forcing them to "grow up" and accept that the only way to play is through caster builds that never interact with the environment unless the DM explicitly mentions they need to speak.
>>46140093
Starsoul. Best mechanics for me, and a fantastic theme
>>46142125
She's a Horse Archer with Blood Steed and points in Craft (Embroidery.)
Classwise she'd be a Ranger, maybe a Fighter (Archer.)
>>46142125
Advanced fluid druid 10 semen demon.
>>46142176
Oh, and she's a Keleshite from the plains of Casmaron.
Yo, I'm making an Ancient Lorekeeper Oracle for RotR and was wondering what Mysteries and Curses were good options for casting?
>>46142149
>caster builds that never interact with the environment
So caster players are Johnny, martial players are Timmy, and these guys are Spike?
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.
Tell me how youpronounce magus.
>>46142125
Literally just started reading this yesterday. Enjoying it so much I'm not even going to post an owlbear statblock.
>>46142300
May-gs
>>46142300
muh-goose
>>46142300
Mage-us
>>46142300
May-giss
>>46142300
May-jus
>>46142300
May (as in the month) - jus (as in JUSTICE).
Which is more valuable for a non-natural-weapon build: a backup bite or pair of claws, or a 1/day hideous laughter SLA?
>>46142362
If you're an initiator, the claws/bite
if you are not, the Hideous Laughter.
If you go for the latter, pick up a dagger, just in case you get swallowed.
>>46142149
I want to try the old gods mystery. Is it any good in a game without aberrations in the campaign?
>>46142300
Mag-us
>>46142300
Mah-gus.
>>46142362
Would generally agree with >>46142408 UNLESS you're dumping Cha into the dirt. Racial SLAs, unless they specifically say so, are Cha-based, and that means it'll be pretty fucking mediocre for a dude with 5-7 Cha.
I'm assuming you're making a Tiefling, which I why I mentioned the racial SLA bit.
>>46142300
MAY-guss.
>>46142300
Thank you anon. Thank you for exposing just how many people can't pronounce magus properly. It'smay-jiss.
>>46142300
May-gus.
>>46142300
>magus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjF5_YGrJug
>>46140093
Nanite, with Elemental as a close second.
>>46142362
>>46142523
Should note that hideous laughter on a tiefling is a bit of a trap:
>A creature whose type is different from the caster's receives a +4 bonus on its saving throw, because humor doesn't "translate" well.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're in an outsider-heavy campaign, or if you just happen to fight tough outsiders on occasion, but it's something to remember because it means humanoids are almost never going to fall for it.
What's everyone's LEAST favorite sorcerer bloodline?
>>46142799
What sort of things would be considered 'Outsider humor'?
What sort of things to do utsiders joke about?
>>46142799
Would Pass as Human circumvent that?Also, why the fuck did it take so long for a Scion of Humanity deal to show up for Tieflings?
>>46142818
Draconic. So fucking uninspired.
>>46142831
Alan Rickman tells us it's the faces people make during sex.
>>46142831
Well, you know what inside jokes are like? The opposite of that.
>>46142818
Undead. It's just retarded.
>>46142872
>>46142855
Count as humanoid for all purposes, so it should do.
Inner Sea Races was a landslide of much-needed racial traits. That for tieflings, changelings finally having a +Int option...
>>46142924
How so?
Which LG God has the best domains?
If you cast reverse gravity and theres no ceiling do they keep going up untill it ends or is there a max distance it can reach? Can you send someone into space this way?
>>46142924
Fuck off m8.
>>46143036
>This spell reverses gravity in an area, causing unattached objects and creatures in the area to fall upward and reach the top of the area in 1 round.
>Area: up to one 10-ft. cube/level (S)
>If an object or creature reaches the top of the area without striking anything, it remains there, oscillating slightly, until the spell ends.
>>46142818
Harrow. It's just so pointless.
Also Fey, but mostly becauseit took a year in-game to get me back to normal after /that/ encounter.
I was so caught up with the Magical Child archetype that I forgot one of the more obvious Vigilante!
>>46143231
>Not Tuxedo Mask
>Not THE PHANTOM RENEGADE
You disappoint me, my child.
>>46143084
Ok what if theres no top of the area.
>>46143285
There Is a top of the are, unless you have an infinite caster level. The area affected is CUBES.
They have a top.
There is a way to kite a caster to make it work like a unarmed melee tank able to eat any damage?
>>46143307
Although technically that would be the volume
>>46143285
There can't not be a top of the area, because the rate at which they fall upwards is defined by the top of the area.
>>46141385
Never mind Geb, which has been run by an insanely powerful ghost and his ... shall we say... special lich GF.
>>46140093
Draconic.I find it classical. Destined is my second favourite, but I prefer it for bloodragers.
>>46143279
>Phantom Renegade
>Familiar's vigilante form is that one Inevitable fluffed as a Medabot
Noice
>>46140044
Sylvan. Get to turn my megalocerous into a dragon.
>>46143486
Vigilantes need a talent to be able to hide one disguise UNDER another.
Can someone give me some feedback on >>>>46142383 ??
Whats the advantage of warder over warlord for bushi?
>>46143279
Kaito Kid will always have a special place in my heart as my first manga.
Guys I need some good and fun oracle mysteries. I don't want to be useless to the party.
>>46143524
The same as the normal advantages Warlord has over Warder.
Gambitsgambitsgambits
>>46143512
Can you take it multiple times? Because I want to play a vigilante who has a disguise under the disguise under the disguise under the disguise under the disguise his disguise is under.
>>46143524
>>46143557
Current have shitload of counters though, and counters use your swifts.
>>46142300
MAH-JUS
Dervish Defender Warder 1 / War Scholar Monk 2 / Enlightened Paladin
DD Warder gets me:
BAB +1
Fort +2
Will +2
Combat Reflexes (scales off Int)
TWF
Int to AC (even with light armor)
Access to Thrashing Dragon for a +2 AC/Will stance
WS Monk gets me:
BAB +1
Fort +2
Reflex +2
Will +2
Scaling FISTS.
Wis to AC (even with light armor)
+1 insight to all attack/CMB rolls.
Wis to Initiative
Wis to all Int checks against monsters
Wis to damage (for 2 rounds/move action to do so).
Evasion (no damage if I make the reflex to halve)
+1 insight to damage for 2m.
Two free bonus feats (Dodge/?)
Enl. Paladin gets me:
Full BAB progression
Fort +2
Will +2
Charisma to all saves
Lay on Hands healing.
Lay on Hands condition cleansing.
Basic spell casting.
Immunity to Fear, Charm, Compulsion and Disease.
An aura that gives +4 to all of the above except Disease
FISTS treated as Good for bypassing DR
Cha to AC per level (even with light armor)
All Paladin levels stack with Monk for FISTS.
Smite Evil becomes a non-alignment restricted "Fuck that guy" that adds Insight to attack/AC/damage/saving throws.
Immunity to forced rerolls
The ability to ignore DR on the target of my Smite.
Bonded FISTS to automatically enchant them
An aura that lets me cause forced rerolls within 10ft to take the higher of 2.
This is mostly just a thought exercise, wondered what /pfg/ might have to say about it. level 4 stats coming in a sec.
>>46143688
Monks have to be lawful, but retain their class abilities even if you multiclass. Paladin has to be Lawful Good, so we can do that easy. Warder can be anything.
Grab Dex to Damage/to-hit for your FISTS early on, suck it up and eat an 8 in con and strength in order to get 18 dex/14 int+wis+cha.
See if you can manage getting a Mithril breastplate (Medium armor made of Mithril is counted as Light armor for class abilities, etc.) for +6 AC from armor and a maximum of +5 from Dex (we'll only get +4 for now, but this can be changed later)
By level 4 we start with...
12 + 2d8 + 1d10 hp
AC: 26
Flat: 20
Touch: 20
(+2 with stance)
Attack: +8 (3 BAB, 4 dex, 1 insight) or +5/+5 (TWF)
Damage: 1d6+6 (+1 more temporarily)
Fort: +7 (6 base/ -1 con/ 2 cha)
Ref: +8 (2 base/ 4 dex/ 2 cha)
Will: +10 (6 base/ 2 wis/ 2 cha) (+12 with stance)
3 AoOs a turn.
So, thoughts? Anywhere I screwed up? Anything I can do to make this funnier?
How can I re-implement some sort of racial level adjustment in pathfinder? It was admittedly, a sucky part of the 3e system, but it gave me some sort of baseline for how strong each race was supposed to be as a GM.
Last game kind of had me up a wall because I didn't enforce timetables on character pre-screening and someone showed up with a flying level 1 character.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxlWQjtbHba89Va-qbA88j8hdyXScl1CcOlPirH-i9g/edit#
Presenting the Dread Prince, a Harbinger archetype themed on fear designed to fill a party defender role in the vein of the 4e Swordmage. Made some tweaks to bring him more in line with other initiators that have a climbing resource of some kind (Crimson Countess, Knight Chandler, etc).
Looking for feedback. I'd like Terror to be a bit more involved, but having trouble thinking of neat tricks to offer as it grows, and also where to insert them (I don't want to ruin mobility options by replacing Grim News, and I don't want to screw up attack math by stripping out Accursed Will)
>>46143541
Heavens, mechanically, is great. Lock down enemies with pattern-based illusions, armor yourself with a cloak of stars, float forever.
>>46142300
May-Jus
>>46142300
Properly and officially, it's maggus.
Fuck that, it's mage-us.
So...looking at this, are Fetchling Ninjas just broken as shit?
>>46143628
If you ever have a swift option free, you never need to worry about 'saving' it for a counter since immediates always eat your next turn's swift.
ie whenever you don't use a counter it's a good time to gambit.
How do you Master Summoner? Do you just not summon your eidolon at all, and spam SM until the encounter is over?
Alchemist question. When you drink extract-spell that can affect multiple targets (like, Haste) only you get affected by it? Or everyone within rage like what original spell does?
>>46144149
>spam
You have to ration SM uses for average number of encounters you have per day, but yes, that's pretty much it.
>>46144025
What?
>>46144149
If there's other players, you feel bad for playing that class in anything but a solo campaign.
If it's just you, yeah, do that.
>>46144149
And you summon eidolon out of combat as it's built as skillmonkey.
>>46144180
Only you; alchemist was intended as a 'selfish buffer'.
As a GM I like houseruling that away though.
>>46144025
No, I don't think Ninjas could ever be broken at all.
>>46144186
>solo campaign
I contemplated summoner for soloing, but isn't it hard countered by simple protection from evil?
>>46144238
>Third, the spell prevents bodily contact by evil summoned creatures. This causes the natural weapon attacks of such creatures to fail and the creatures to recoil if such attacks require touching the warded creature. Summoned creatures that are not evil are immune to this effect. The protection against contact by summoned creatures ends if the warded creature makes an attack against or tries to force the barrier against the blocked creature. Spell Resistance can allow a creature to overcome this protection and touch the warded creature.
As you can see, there are a lot of ways to get around that
>>46144238
..Summon a non-evil creature?
>>46144220
Somebody made an unchained ninja, didn't they? Is it decent?
>>46144238
Only if you a) summon nothing but evil monsters and b) rely on monsters that need to touch their target to attack(unlike, say, lantern archons). Unless someone knows specifically that they're facing a summoner, they're unlikely to have protection from all four alignments up.
Looking for Pathfinder PDF's, mainly the core rulebook and anything else related.
Strength Based Dervish Defender Warder?
Good Idea, Bad Idea?
>>46144342
....There is a trove linked in the OP. Use it.
>>46144342
Also there IS http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
>>46144360
That was the first thing I checked, the core rulebook isnt there
>>46144436
Why do you want the CRB
All the rules and shit are available online for free?
>>46144436
>Pastebin>Trove>Paizo>Paizo Core Line>Core Rulebook 6th Printing
Yes it is.
>>46144436
Dude it is there, open your eyes. 6th printing even.
>>46143688
>>46143715
For what purpose?
What exactly does this character do that wouldn't have been better served by just going DD Warder X?
>>46144578
>>46144541
Shit, sorry guys
Didn't see it, thanks for pointing it out
Is it worth getting Improved Familiar on a magus?
>mfw half the PCs in the party really hate spiders
>mfw we've fought nothing but giant spiders and exactly one random aberration for the past three sessions
Watching people arachnophobia is fun, but even I'm getting sick of all these fucking spiders.
>>46144965
Ask your GM to shake it up.
>>46144993
He did send me a message that there's going to be one last hurrah for the spiders, and then agiant centipedebefore we move on to other shit.
>>46144965
Clearly, GM needs to give it a rest. Start giving them some normal adventures with normal enemies. Save a princess from an evil wizard and his pet dragon. Free the kingdom from an evil curse. Slay the giant demon Al'Ghorro. Then let them retire to rest on their laurels, marry their sweethearts, be knighted and all that shit. And when they're all alone in their bedrooms, about to kick off their honeymoons...Thousands of tiny spiders start crawling out of every orifice of their loved ones.
>>46145057
>giant demon Al'Ghorro
Kek
>>46144717
Das cool bro. Most people when proven wrong just don't respond.
You? You're alright.
>>46140173
It's a combat maneuver, and Maneuver Mastery (at least the Oracle and Magus versions, the only two I found) says "pick one combat maneuver". Of course you can pick Dirty Trick. I'm not sure why you had to ask...
Looking at paladins. Archer paladins seem pretty damn good, but just not quite worth it because it pushes you into a 4 stat class (Str,Dex,Cha,Con). However the benefits of being a dex based character are huge.
I'm going to be an aasimar and taking at least three of the aasimar racial feats (Angelic Blood/Angelic Flesh/Angelic Wings), plus I'm giving up darkvision for the halo racial trait.
Essentially what I am asking is will Divine Hunter be worth it? Or should I just take Sacred Servant and be a melee paladin? If I do take Sacred Servant I am leaning towards taking the Travel domain but am super willing to consider others.
My stat spread is the following if I am melee:
Angel-kin Aasimar Sacred Servant/Oath of Vengeance Paladin
Str: 18
Dex: 14
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 10
Cha: 16
>Feats
1st: Power Attack
3rd: Angelic Blood
5th: Angelic Flesh
7th: Craft Magic Arms & Armor
9th: Step Up
11th: Angel Wings
13th: Greater Mercy
15th: Ultimate Mercy
Any advice?
>>46145530
Archer Paladins honestly don't need more than 12 Con. They've got D10 HD, Lay on Hands, good Fort saves and some of the best defensive class features in all of PF. They also don't really need more than 12-14 Str, so you're still mostly Dex and Cha.
Regardless, that melee character doesn't seem too bad. Nothing wildly special, but it'll work.
What tier 3 class/archetype combinations are there that can fill the same role as tier 1 classes? For example, is there a tier 3 combination that can fill a thematic/mechanical role like that of a wizard?
Alright ladies and gents.
I've started on converting the vigilante archetypes to Spherecasting, but because I'm a pretentious little shite, I'm also adding and changing things.
Like splitting the Cabalist into Blood and Shadow, to match normal Vigilante having Stalker and Avenger.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tnsgUkHKCnSSbRPsDuVx5mnnf8ydbLhB3BxcED64pLo/edit?usp=sharing
Basic abilities so far with inspiration taken from existing classes, gonna start on talents for each specialization next.
Thoughts?
>>46145907
Tiers aren't about filling roles. They're about functionality, ease of challenge, and their potential to break the game.
>http://pastebin.com/5ekDL471
>Tier 1:
>Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world changing powers at high levels. These guys, if played well, can break a campaign and can be very hard to challenge without extreme DM fiat, especially if Tier 3s and below are in the party.
>Tier 3:
>Capable of doing one thing quite well, while still being useful when that one thing is inappropriate, or capable of doing all things, but not as well as classes that specialize in that area. Occasionally has a mechanical ability that can solve an encounter, but this is relatively rare and easy to deal with. Challenging such a character takes some thought from the DM, but isn't too difficult. Will outshine any Tier 5s in the party much of the time.
>>46145907
It depends a lot on what you mean by "filling a thematic/mechanical role". If you mean "guy in robes tossing spells around," then absolutely. If you mean "guy who solves all the problems with his magic," then not so much.
Staves use the user's "relevant ability score" for setting spell DCs, which is presumably your casting ability score. But what if you're activating a staff using UMD? How do you determine which ability score to use? Or do you just have to use the minimum DC for the spell?
>>46146310
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/staves.html#staves
>Staves use the wielder's ability score and relevant feats to set the DC for saves against their spells.
I would rule that you're using Charisma for the ability score, unless you have some trait or class feature that switches it to something else.
So I am playing a sorcerer at the moment and the GM just gave the party mythic tiers. I went archmage and got the wild arcana. I can cast a spell off the wiz/sorc spell list by using a mythic surge or what ever, I'm tier 1 now right?
>>46146639
Mythic fucks with tiers in hilarious ways. I'd stop caring at this point if I were you.
>>46146639
Sounds like how it works yeah
How do Summon Monster-centered casters resolve enemy DR issue? Like, even simple DR X/magic would be pain in the ass. And material DR? Alignment DR?
>>46146639
Also note this errata, they were nerfed slightly so that you can't use them to cast things that would normally take hours as a swift action. Still an absurd ability though.
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gl#v5748eaic9r83
>>46146791
FAQ actually, not errata. Whatever.
>>46146820
YesDoubly so
>>46146785
They largely don't. You can take shit like Sunlight/Moonlight/Starlight summons, but mostly you just send the summons after whatever doesn't have DR and let the party martials handle the Big Guy.
>>46142666
>>46142300
It's MEY-*guh*-s, all you ignorant KEKOLDS.
>>46146820
Is this really a difficult question
>>46146169
>missing the point this much
Is there any spell that makes a living creature appear to be a dead body?
So I am playing a wizard in my groups long term pathfinder campaign. The group has been gaming together for about 15 years and I joined about 10 years ago. Our last long term campaign was 3.5 and lasted about 5 real years. I normally play fighter types so I thought it would be fun to be a caster. I'm trying to focus on spells and abilities that would be helpful to the party rather than glory hog. So things like buffing the parties 4 fighter types and battlefield control spells that help them fight and I took item creation feats to make magic items for the party since we can't really buy them often. Am I doing it right or wrong. Because the group had been together so long I figure they won't mind a tier 1 class but I don't want to be hogging glory for myself anyway.
Does anybody have the kineticists of Porphyra I and II pdfs? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
>>46146998
Silent Image.
>>46147051
Have you checked three doors down? The leather club might have it.
Is the Master Summoner's ability to spam SM really that game-breaking beside it being very time-consumming? Summoned monsters have pretty low hit and damage rate, and DRs fuck them pretty hard (many of them even don't have Power Attack feat). Only positive side I can see is them being a good expendable meat shields.
>>46147189
Action economy is the name of the game.
>>46142300
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>>46147189
It's because you can summon then for any use or occasion, even for easy out of combat utility, and you can make the choice for what you want when you summon it. It's on-the-spot utility and combat drones
>>46147189
Lots of SM creatures have spells that the Summoner does not, and he can use those to solve problems he wouldn't be able to normally.
It's not a matter of "my summons clutter the field" or even "I have the most actions of everybody forever always," it's just the number of options available to them.
And all of this is ignoring the fact that the Summoner isn't even all that potentially gamebreaking compared to T1 classes.
>>46147173
Nah, I checked there before I came here.
>>46145907
Not all of them or not to the same level. That's the idea of T3 - you are either very good at one thing, or okayish at several. T1 is supposed to be awesome at everything.
>>46146998 - magical disguise of any sort should work, and I think undead anatomy can help in that regard.
Mesmerist had a trick where someone appeared to die, but it was a combination of a programmed image/invisibility.
>>46147042 Welp, 4 warriors and a wizard is going to be a bit weird. I'd definitely focus on control and crafting, there are already plenty of beatsticks and you will work best trying to enable them and taking care of the utility. Crafting will help spread the magic around, so it sounds like a great idea.
If you focus on buffing them and disabling the enemy so that they can kill it, I don't expect anyone will complain.
Thank you guys. Versatility and utility, I see.
Just one more question. It's fluff-related. 'What' does Summon Monster summon? Like, IIRC it's not a 'real' individual outsider with flesh, bones, and name. Is it a copy or shadow or something?
>>46147479
iirc, it's a copy of the creature. If it dies it just poofs out of existence. I can't imagine many creatures agreeing to be legit summoned to the material plane if they could get dead for real, especially for the low, low price of a spell slot.
>>46147479
The simplest way to put it is that it's a real outsider in a fake body. An outsider's body and soul are the same unit, so as long as it still has a body somewhere (the plane it lives on), it doesn't have to care about dying: thus why summoned devils and such will never give you guff about being thrown into certain death fights.
Tomorrow i'll press my DM for a weird familiar.
But what should i choose?
>>46144323
Even then, just summon a true neutral creature.
>>46147479
According to JJ, it's just a copy.
>>46147573
There's only one weird familiar!
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/ioun-wyrd
>>46147289
Is a real creature. It's just that they can't really be killed here. Rather than dying, they're just banished back to their home plane.
Why did Dreamscarred name the martial maneuver groups "disciplines" when the psionic power groups were already "disciplines"?
It's kind of silly.
>>46147394
>ot all of them or not to the same level. That's the idea of T3
Well, yeah, duh.
I'm not looking for something as strong as wizard, just something that can more-or-less use the wizard spell list (or part of it) and works for a Gandalf or similar type character.
There's that Vigilante archetype that has 6/9 wizard casting, for example, but it being a vigilante adds a bunch of baggage.
Magician bard would almost work if it wasn't T2 itself, too.
>>46147761
There are only so many words to represent a given idea in the English language. What would be the substitute, 'schools' from wizards? Traditions, as in martial traditions? Styles, as in style feats?
"At 15th level, the warder is capable of turning an otherwise lethal blow and continue the fight. When an attack that inflicts hit point damage from a natural attack, melee weapon, or ranged weapon would reduce the warder to 0 or fewer hit points, she can make a Fortitude save (DC the attacker's attack roll) to deflect the attack to her armor or shield (light, heavy, or tower shields only), causing it to suffer the damage in her place (apply item hardness as normal)."
Does it mean that I can become indestructible if I have an adamantium, impervious and Hardened shield, as long as I manage the Fortitude save?
>>46147800
Maneuvers *should* be schools, that's what martial traditions were always called in the real world.
>>46147794
Spheres is probably right there. The Spheres Wizard might even be right there.
>>46147813
To HP damage, yeah, it looks like it. Sadly that doesn't save you from getting lit on fire and burned to death.
>>46147761
>>46147826
Does it even matter? The PoW ones are not called Disciplines, after all. They're Martial Disciplines, and are generally just referred to in shorthand.
>>46147826
Sure, I do agree, but that wouldn't solve your complaint of using a preexisting name.
>>46147794
Having the casting utility approaching a wizard pretty much elevates you to t2 on principle, if not t1.
It's like asking what kind of sword can fill the role of a gun. Maybe some kind of exotic gunsword, but you'll be using it as a gun.
>>46147813
I don't know what hardened is, but it could be beaten out by someone with an Adamantium Weapon and possibly that one style feat for hammers
Or, a Wizard or similar spellcaster casting Liquidate
>>46147862
Spheres has awful internal balance between the spheres which you have to sink permanent character resources on...
>>46147862
>spheres
But there's no vancian casting there.
>>46147794
I have to wonder how in the fuck anybody's going to work a vigilante into a party of non-vigilantes.
Like, the Magical Child kicks ass with local heroes the Band Of the Crimson Falcon, but at other times the three established local heroes pretend they don't know the girl that looks almost exactly like Cuteness Collector Witch Meiling-Chan, and Mei-Mei's friends just sort of assume someone in the party is a relative, which is why they regularly drop by to give her increasingly contrived errands to explain her long disappearances?
>>46147938
>it could be beaten out by someone with an Adamantium Weapon
Adamantine is incapable of ignoring its own hardness. It only ignores hardness LESS THAN 20, non-inclusive, so it doesn't do diddly to hardness 20 or above.
>>46147942
Retraining is a thing, and it's not exactly difficult to houserule in getting options to change them.
>>46147943
Yes, and?
>>46147573
The worst familar is also the weirdest: http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Torble
>>46147794
The Eldritch Scoundrel (or whatever it is called) is just a Rogue who gives up everything he has for a 1-6 progression of wizard casting. So it's a weakened wizard, with +2 skill points, +1 HP and 3/4 BAB.
What happens when a sorcerer casts Shadow Evocation - Daylight to counter Deeper Darkness spell on place? Is darkness get countered at all? Or only those who fail their Will save can see clearly now?
>>46148163
Also, what happens to Shadow Blend creatures when this happens?
>>46146310
Similar to >>46146522, I'd say that whatever ability score you're using to make the UMD check (since it won't necessarily always be Charisma) is what you use for the DC.
>>46148163
Bro, don't even try to make sense of the various possible weird interactions of the Shadow Whatever spells, that shit was left as vague as possible. It's really up to you and your GM.
Would it be worth taking the Expanded Knowledge feat to learn Astral Construct as a Wilder? It seems like it would have some useful utility, especially since you can use the surge to make a higher-level one than would normally be possible, or make a low-level one at no cost. Or are astral constructs lame? I never really got into psionics back in 3.5. I don't know, how do you even play a wilder.
>>46147761
They made PoW to update the Tome of Battle material, which called their maneuver groups Disciplines. That's pretty much the only reason, really.
That said, you can ask the same question of WotC, since they named their maneuver groups Disciplines after 3.5 psionics had already come out.
>>46147970
One thing I've always wondered, though... if I have the ability to treat the hardness of an object as a few points lower, do I then get to use an adamantine weapon to slice through adamantine stuff like butter?
I want to say yes... but I am, of course, a little biased.
>>46148401
Probably, yep. Although keep in mind that enhancement bonuses also increase hardness by 2 for each +1, and the impervious enhancement doubles that increase. I'm not sure how often impervious is used ingame, but it's moderately popular in theory. With the cost of adamantine, a lot of it is probably harder than 20.
>>46148469
Impervious is a flat cash increase anyway, not an enhancement bonus cost.
No reason not to have it.
Are there any magic items that boost diplomacy or other social skills? Other than just the headbands that increase your mental stats like Charisma?
>>46147955
That's a question best left to the people who want to play/have players who want to play vigilantes. We got the leak not too long ago, so I imagine it'll be a little bit before the storytimes start coming in-I'm sure we'll learn all kinds of interesting ways to handle it.
So what kinds-a Vigilantes do people mostly want to play?
Let's assume we all know plenty of people want to play Magical Girls.
>>46148600
Yeah, a competence bonus to a specific skill costs 100*(bonus^2). 10k for +10 to a skill, 2.5k for +5, and so on. Plenty of examples of that, if you care to search Nethys. Iirc there's no theoretical maximum but +10 is either the biggest bonus on an item that exists, or a proposed limit.
>>46148694
The Spiderman thing looks interesting. Too bad it takes a painfully long time to get the fun powers.
Hey guys, I was wondering if you could give me some build advice.
We have a bunch of new people in our play group and we're having a blast, especially since the GM is a cool guy. I wanted to try something different with my fighter in this campaign, so I wanted to do a bit of a hybrid *gasp* weapon build with him, focusing mainly on 2Hers and the crossbow.
Is there a feasible way of making this work? Because the only other fighter I've ever played was a straight up 2Her in my very first campaign.
>>46148694
The DSP one.
>>46148694
Not gonna lie, I have basically zero interest in the class as a player but see potential for an enemy of the party who is friendly in the social persona and then fucks them up by night.
>>46148739
>Not being a Stalker (Vigilante)|Vigilante (Stalker)
>>46148727
What sourcebooks are you allowed? Path of War is generally good for it. Otherwise, ranger is the usual switch-hitter class I see recommended, since it lets you get feats for both weapons without waiting for ridiculously high levels.
Honestly though, ranged and especially crossbows are feat-intensive enough that I recommend you focus on the 2handing and break out the crossbow in specific situations. Like flying enemies, stealth, or some such.
>>46148739
You're pathetic.
>>46148694
How do people know what kinds of Vigilante there are? I was under the impression the Ultimate Intrigue book hadn't been released yet.
>>46148790
I think our DM is allowing us to use any non-3rd party sources on the Pathfinder SRD (since nobody else owns the physical books), so pretty much anything that's official from Paizo.
So should I just skip feats for my crossbow altogether? Because I know that you don't need to invest too much into 2Hers to make them combat effective, so I might be able to squeeze a basic archery feat or two in there.
>>46148819
It's a vigilante. I want to play it. Why's that pathetic?
>>46148854
We got screencap leaks a few threads back.
>>46148865
Because you know exactly what the question was asking and you decided to be all 'Gnohoho, you peasant I play PROPER classes Gnoho'
>>46148854
We got a leak not too long ago, courtesy of a kindly Anon. Here's the thread: http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46042423/
>>46148854
Couple threads back someone dumped screenshots of the vigilante and all its archetypes.
>>46148694
The kind who seems almost possessed. Maybe they're not quite in control. Maybe the mask has a mind of its own. Maybe that's whynobody cared who they were before they put it on."How could this little jerk possibly be the town's masked heroine? I mean, just look at 'im!"
>>46148727
I think one of the archetypes with Martial Flexibility would be best for a Fighter who switches up his focus on the fly. You get to reassign your feats at will basically, so if you write down a set that works for one style and another set for a different style, that can be functional without actually losing effectiveness by splitting your character between them. Martial Master and Free-Style Fighter are the archetypes.
>>46148890
I never said it was better or worse. Just that I wanted to play it. I don't judge other people's character choices. Not my character, not my problem.
>>46148857
You want Power Attack for the 2hander, maybe furious focus, but yeah, that's pretty much it. For the crossbow, the problem is it's worse than the longbow in every way. Check Crossbow Mastery. You need 15 Dex and three feats just to reload it as a free action.
You need Str for the 2hander, and a lot of it. You also need Dex for the crossbow, and a fair bit of it. You also need every other stat except Charisma. Crossbows don't get stat to damage and don't get free reloads without jumping through a lot of hoops.
My recommendation is that you ask your DM if you can refluff a longbow as a crossbow and use composite longbow stats. If you can, grab the usual archery feats.
>>46148967
You knew exactly what I was referring to. Don't be a snarky cunt.
Making an Arcane Duelist Bard designed to fuck spellcasters over.
What items, feats, etc. would be good picks. I've got like 75,000 gp to spend, for what it's worth.
>>46148993
Man, you must really be a hoot to play with. You're the one with issues with dissenting opinions, not me.
>>46148890
>Because you know exactly what the question was asking and you decided to be all 'Gnohoho, you peasant I play PROPER classes Gnoho'
I read it as a joke based on the fact that sometimes things share names.
>>46148993
don't be so autistic laddiwad
>>46147955
I'm taking a Magical Girl into the Kingdom of Masks campaign that anon was recruiting for in here earlier! My plan is to spend most of my time in vigilante guise, while my social guise is known to spend extended time out of town hunting for food, to share with the neighbors, so her being absent for a day or two won't be especially noteworthy! The party will probably be aware of the double life by the time I get a social talent that makes it relevant!
It's kind of a weird reversal of the usual dual identity tropes, but it's what I've gotta make do with! Since, you know, quick change is level seven. >:T
So tell me, what do y'all think of the source shilling on this page? Too obstrusive? Not obtrusive enough?
http://pathminder.github.io/classes/soulknife-high-psionics/
>>46149177
Which one is that? Never saw it myself. Well, regardless, best of luck to you and to whatever character you're running. Let us know if anything interesting happens.
>>46149242
Frozen wasteland on the brink of the end of the world as a new ice age begins!
>>46148727
The only really practical way to make a crossbow build that works is to use a repeating crossbow, and get your DM to let you buy an efficient quiver version of a repeating crossbow bolt magazine (e.g., extradimensional space, holds 60 pre-loaded bolts at a time).
Otherwise all your actions and feats get eaten by the difficulties of reloading.
What's the nastiest disease you've run into in a game, /pfg/? I'm looking for ideas for my antipaladin to go plague-collecting.Would injury-type diseases be liable to work as STDs, or is that just contact-type? Pic likely related.
>>46148739
>muh DSP
Why do people shill for them all the time in /pfg/? I know they make some good stuff sometimes, but the shilling is just obvious at this point.
>>46149373
Maybe because people enjoy their stuff?
>>46149373
1. Cuz their stuff is good
2. Cuz they're both called Vigilante and it's funny.
>>46149373
A history of more-or-less balanced material, combined with experimenting with non-Vancian mechanics in ways that aren't just total shit like a lot of 3PP publishers.
The second factor is the same reason you see Spheres get brought up a lot, it's non-Vancian and it's reasonably non-terrible.
>>46149409
>path of war
>balanced
>>46149373
Because people want to play a fantasy game, hit things with swords, and still be effective, but we're too lazy to learn a new system.
>>46149409
I dunno. Initiating's pretty much as Vancian as vanilla casting is. You just rememorize shit faster.
Hey /pfg/, question. Is there a feat/trait/something that can change what kind of save a spell uses? For example, changing Fireball to require a Will or Fort save instead of Reflex, or Color Spray to Fort or Reflex?
>>46149496
No, and thank God it doesn't.
>>46149422
>>46149496
>>46149519
To expand on this, one of the primary balancers in different spell descriptions is the way their save works. The fact that you need different saves for different creatures is why you even need different spells in the first place; if a sorcerer could just snap his fingers and target a dude's worst save every time with Finger of Death or Phantasmal Killer, there'd be serious problems. As it stands, these spells are balanced against the fact that you can only target creatures that are weak to it.
A great example is Dominate Person. Imagine if a mage just swapped that Fortitude and went around dominating other spellcasters; leave it as will whenever he meets a warrior, and so on. It's not good design.
>>46149361
Whatever the fuck made her face that way is a good start.
>>46149274
Ah. Sounds interesting. Keep us posted.
>>46149496
Words of Power subsystem. Enjoy.
A question, good sirs, about the Summoner's ability.
> Aspect (Su)
At 10th level, a summoner can divert up to 2 points from his eidolon’s evolution pool to add evolutions to himself. He cannot select any evolution that the eidolon could not possess, and he must be able to meet the requirements as well. He cannot select the ability increase evolution through this ability. Any points spent in this way are taken from the eidolon’s evolution pool (reducing the total number available to the eidolon). The summoner can change the evolutions he receives from these points any time he can change the eidolon’s evolutions.
My question is, using this ability, would it be possible for a Summoner to take 1 point Skilled evolution for himself and get +8 bonus to his one skill?
>>46149386
This right here. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to believe that popular products like PoW or Ertw's beguiler might be discussed frequently and that every post mentioning it must be a paid advertisement in disguise.
>>46149765
Yes
>>46149373
Are you unaware of how hard people talk about the official paizo shit when it comes out too?
>>46149872
It's likely just people who don't like it complaining because they can.
>>46149872
Opposite problem for me.
I like DSP's stuff because Paizo's releases has been a string of utter disappointment.
Occult Adventures is shit. Nobody in our table would ever find any purpose to roll an occult class.
Weapon Master's Handbook didn't fix fighters and threw in more stupid feat taxes.
Arcane Anthology gave us a "decent" rogue, but everything else is just so bad.
I'm sorely pissed off at how uselessly redundant the Vigilante exists when the Bard, Investigator and UC Rogue already exists and the Magical Child archetype stoked by angers further.
