They seem to vary a lot between series. Sometimes green, sometimes black, sometimes Caucasian, sometimes pointy eared, sometimes fanged. Even the LOTR movies has insane variation between all of them. In cartoons they are almost always pig people. In video games they are typically all green with huge overbites.
So what should be or is your own definition of orc? What do they look like?
i cant help but see them as warhammer/warcraft style orcs... i guess it's what you're most used to dealing with
on a side note, i think i read somewhere that the "pig man" version of the orc came from a mistranslation to or from a japanese game
>>46118996
I see Lord of the Rings movie orcs. Not the hobbit ones, the original ones.
>>46118996
Goblinoid with sickly dirty skin and porcine facial features.
Also have them walk like chimps so they have a way to explain that stupid strength.
>>46118996
Tall, wiry, craggy and greyish and greenish.
They live on the coast for preference. Those fucked up teeth they have are perfect for fucking up clams. They fucking love shell fish.
>>46118996
It's not like there was already a thread about that topic.
>>46087063
>>46119143
i loved the orcs in moria, shame they didnt keep that style in the hobbit, no clue were they got so many uruks and heavy armour for the final battle.
>>46119239
Those are actually how I picture goblins, even though I know the distinction is kinda non-existent in the books.
One thing I really liked was how each orc was almost unique, but they still all looked like they belonged together.
To be honest though, I think Shadow of Mordor was my favorite depiction of orcs in any media. Despite the lack of facial/physical diversity because it was a game.
However you think they should look like. They're fantasy creatures, and there's no universal canon. If you make your own happy little world, they're your happy little orcs, and you can make them look like whatever you please.
>>46119364
>there's no universal canon
Yes, there is. There's tolkien.
>>46118996
>Sometimes green, sometimes black, sometimes Caucasian
>Caucasian
I've played Warcraft so much that it's become the definitive version of Orcs for me. Even our tabletop games have Orcs that are like Warcraft's.
But as >>46119364 said they're fantasy creatures. Even the myths and fairytales that gave us the word Orc, or even goblin or whatever varied their appearances from area to area.
>>46119397
Tolkien was a consummate worldbuilder. He would be ashamed of people just plundering him for ideas that people are comfortable with, instead of innovating.
Dwarfs and elves were totally different before he made them his own.
>>46119397
Tolkien isn't universal though.
>>46119435
I love it when OP tried to pretend to not be racist, unintentionally shows exactly how fucking racist they really are.
>I'm a well meaning individual that respects all people equally but niggers am I right?
>>46118996
You want us to say they look like black people don't you?
>They all look like niggers
good job anon.
>>46118996
ironically japan has the most accurate vision
they're supposed to have piglike snouts
>>46120037
Fuck off weeaboo
Pig orcs are worst orcs. And "acurate" to what, exactly?
I like having them just be a varied mutt race. My biggest inspirations for orcs is Warcraft 2 and the original Monster Manual pig faces.
Some have piggish noses, some have jutting tusks, some have sallow/green/brown/black skin, some have red/yellow/black eyes. They're a very varied bunch.
All have black blood, and all are scarred in some way, some even mutilated as a mark of clan, allegiance, or a sacrifice for power.
>>46120117
This.
![265348913_e1eddf159f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3IsHRMT.jpg "265348913_e1eddf159f[1].jpg")
ORKS IS BEST LOIK DIS YA PUNY GROTS
>>46119143
I actually liked the Hobbit orcs. It was cool seeing how different they could look depending on their ancestry (Mordor, Isengard, Moria, Angbad, etc.).
Just about the only thing they did right.
>>46118996
>LOTR has orcs
>taking LOTR in consideration
nigger, they half human half hobgoblins
>>46120349
In german normal orcs are called Orks and 40k ones are called Orkz.
>>46118996
If orcs are not a player race, then I think Tolkien orcs. Like >>46119143 said, I'm particularly a fan of how they were translated onto the big screen the first time around. Especially the Uruk hai, even if Tolkien never explained the distinction in much detail.
However, if I want player race orcs, I typically just add in toned-down Warcraft orcs. They're a little shorter and a lot less bulky, though still a little bit bigger than your average human. And I prefer grey skin over green. I hate fun, so bright colors in fantasy trigger me. I also ditch the Noble Savage bullshit, and just make them more like IRL Spartans than anything else. Which is to say militarist dicks who nonetheless would rather just be left alone.
>>46118996
>what is made up thing supposed to look like
go away
When making settings, i usually make orcs large, strong creatures with piggish faces.They may or may not be related to goblins.
>>46120805
And how do you like your goblims senpai?
>goblins
>jews
>just autismo my shit up(bat)
>>46120513
That's awesome
Generic monster people mostly, they do not have to have animal qualities like snouts or fangs. But they do have to be slightly less intelligent with more wild features like more hair, vision at night, and maybe some exaggerated features like longer arms and ears, skinnier legs, longer face, misshapen feet and hands.
>>46120554
10/10
>>46118996
They are ooga booga stand-ins
Just think black guy in a fantasy universe
>>46120554
>>46121700
>implying Muh Dick The Race isn't humans
>>46118996
>Please tell me what this thing that is in movies, tv shows, books more books, even more books after that, video games, and more books, is supposed to be
>>46121821
Not when they are brown
If they are dark skinned then they are the evil black race that only kills and rapes villagers. Never has any money, uses shitty spears, and reproduces like animals
>>46118996
>sometimes black, sometimes Caucasian
I imagine Human, elves, orcs, halfling, and dwarves have a common ancestor in the homo/naked ape tree once you get past the "Teh gods made ____ becuz ___"
Which explains why hybrids can occur if the races are close enough. So I make orcs the exact definition of Vikings. They raid and practice horticture in their strongholds. They average around 6'6 in height and have tusks. Skin colors range from gray to green to charcoal. Not monstorious or deformed.
I never got the Orcs=Black People scenario.
Like even if I was racist, black people have never really invaded anything aside from each other in warring tribes and Egypt to my knowledge.
And Blacks aren't that much stronger that whites, the top body builders are white guys. Blacks(generally speaking of course) are fast.
I'd say Blacks are closer to Tieflings and Halfings than Orcs.
Alternatively, since humans sprang from Africa, Blacks are Humans with everyone else being some kind of Elf or Dwarf.
>>46121700
I thought orcs were supposed to be the barbarians at the gates of Rome and therefore technically European type guys.
>>46122012
>Blacks are Humans
Get the fuck out.
>>46122012
>...humans sprang from Africa...
LOL, good one anon
>>46118996
In general I think people just pick a flavor they like and run with that. There are a ton of different variations now.
The type of orc I prefer is several inches taller than your average adult man, but broad shouldered, stocky and heavily muscled. Various shades of skin tone from black to grey, and from brown to murky green. Wide faces framed by a heavily sloped brow above and a prominent under bite below. Two straight upward facing tusks jutting out of a wide mouth filled with jagged, sharp teeth. Pug nosed, but not to the point of having a straight up boar's snout. Pointy ears. Hyper aggressive and warlike, perfect for any BBEG's pillagin' slaughterin' burnin' army.
This picture is fairly close.
>>46122012
>>46122055
Isn't the current model theorized to be Africans are the only actual pure human group while all other races have some other non-human species mixed in somewhere like neanderthals and denisovans?
And now /pol/ is in here. Well done, OP.
>not a single mention of Magicka orcs or Gears of War Locust
You guys are the worse kind of nerds tbqh
>>46122102
>Two straight upward facing tusks
fucking why
>Pointy ears.
they ain't elfs
>warlike
>any race being considered warlike in a settings where humans exist
>>46122118
>>46122012
"Homo sapiens is the binomial nomenclature for the only extant human species. Homo is the human genus, which also includes Neanderthals and many other extinct species of hominid; H. sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens
>>46119239
It was because that last Hobbit film was so rushed. Jackson and his crew were struggling to keep up with the schedule by that point. I think it was just easier to animate a bunch of uruks in identical armor than the individualized orcs from the original trilogy.
The behind the scenes for BoFA goes into it more. Apparently it was just a miserable slog.
>>46122244
was magicka 2 good or bad?
>>46122314
>wikipedia
>>46122368
Almost as bad as you, fucking tripfag.
>>46122397
good thing i didn't buy it then
>>46122118
You sayin Im mixed?
I usually view them as half way between Warhammer orcs and Lotr orcs.
Goblins I usually view as warhammer goblins.
And I generally view D&D hobgoblins as being a lot like Uruk Hai.
>>46122020
>>46122012
>>46121862
Horned helmets and Dark Lord Mugabe are pretty much the only difference
>>46122397
>He doesn't know how to use Wikipedia
What a joke you are. It lists 25 different fucking references at the bottom for you to study. Why don't you go study each individual reference since you are so concerned with the authenticity of the data?
Oh yeah, because you are just another retard on the internet who has no interest in learning anything, just making claims they can't back.
>>46122300
Fucking why not? Quit your sperging.
>they ain't elfs
As far as I'm concerned they're closer to goblins and elves than humans.
Why does every thread turn into a /pol/ thread now?
>>46122551
>>He doesn't know how to use Wikipedia
>What a joke you are. It lists 25 different fucking references at the bottom for you to study. Why don't you go study each individual reference since you are so concerned with the authenticity of the data?
top kek
>Oh yeah, because you are just another retard on the internet who has no interest in learning anything, just making claims they can't back.
Nice damage control
>>46122314
Fuck that, I aint no queer!
>>46118996
just add a sword or two
maybe a white elf in his arms
>>46122568
>Fucking why not?
>Quit your sperging
>As far as I'm concerned
why not just say "cuz i want"? Did i offended you or something, dipshit?
>>46122579
Because insecure black people need to talk about how they are the only "pure" humans and how porn tells them that their dick is bigger.
I tend to stick with the warhammer Orc as my milestone. Musclebound brutes with a low animal cunning and a might-makes-right mentality. Goblins I veer away however. While Orcs may well just be a savage force of nature almost, Goblins are manufactured evil. There will never be a good or wholesome Goblin, their very essence and mind is wicked and perverse and they look like the Goblins of Moria from the LotR films.
>>46122639
It's a genetic fact.
Doesn't make them any better though. Probably makes them worse ultimately, crosses are preferred in agriculture and animal breeding.
>>46122580
Keep /pol/ in /pol/
>>46122624
What do you think "as far as I'm concerned" means, you ridiculous idiot? Well, you're a dumb piece of shit, so I'll explain: When I say that, I'm citing my own personal preference. That's essentially the same as saying "because I like it."
When did /tg/ get so toddler-level retarded?
>>46118996
>muh pure monkey gene
Well /r9k/ be dammed, guess being pure isn't always a good thing heh?
Will i have to go full /pol/ or will you r3dditors focus on the subject?
>>46122785
You forget the part where you said
>Fucking why not? Quit your sperging.
you agressive little bitch.
>>46118996
>>46121700
>>46122012
>>46122020
>>46122055
>>46122078
>>46122118
>>46122502
>>46122795
>>46119195
You can be strong simply through genetics. Longer muscle fibers that are more efficient make for a stronger limb than. That's why a small chimpanzee with arms the size of your little sister could rip your lips off.
>>46122854
Yeah, and I meant it, dumb ass. What's your problem with tusks? Why does that feature, in particular, get your footie pajamas in a twist? Did a boar gore your mom's pregnant belly and that's why you're so fucking retarded and can't understand context?
>>46122118
>>46122314
Neanderthals lived in Europe and the Middle East when modern humans came north from Africa. They coexisted for 5000-15000 years, with evidence of interbreeding. Neanderthals were more intelligent than modern humans as evidenced by larger brain cavities (there's no real difference in neural efficiency between primates; we have monkey brains that are just scaled up in size with a proportional increase in intelligence). They also appear to have been significantly stronger. We don't know why Neanderthals died out, but the strongest theories seem to be either interbreeding or significantly higher birth rates in modern humans.
tl;dr: Neanderthals are elves and white people are part elven.
>>46122884
How are these
>>46122012
>>46122020
Racist, beyond pointing out that Orcs are based on European groups or suggesting that races associated with inner city crime would make better excuse as black stand ins.
>>46122688
That is blatantly false.
>"Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of Hominina clade (or human clade), a branch of the taxonomical tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes."
It is nomenclature that includes all modern humans today, as most modern men are a mix of different Hominina which includes Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, Homo Sapiens Idaltu, and other branches of the Homo genus.
>>46122937
Yeeaaa.....trying to draw some logic from people that just point fingers and scream racism.
>>46122964
Yes, and Sub-Sarahan African populations have the lowest mixture of other Homo species to Homo Sapiens.
>>46120349
nobody wants your warhammer 40k shit, get out. I don't mind warhammer, but once you start rippin on Tolkien you need to get the fuck out.
>>46122923
>>>/b/
>>46122102
But why are they like that? gibe lore
Why this /d/-shit with interbreeding? Why did nobody theorize that europeans and asians have some neanderthal dna because we share a common ancestor? And that africans have a different ancestor?
come on, we all know that orks are supposed to be the biggist and da greenist
>>46123078
No, Homo-Sapiens is the oldest known common ancestor between all humans. Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens includes Homo-Sapiens as well as those other species of hominids that evolved from that common ancestor, INCLUDING Neanderthals.
So if you want to get technical, they are no more or less human, they are however, the closest related to this common ancestor meaning that there were less evolutionary pressures in Africa causing their genome to undergo minimal change as opposed to Homo-Sapiens that left Africa which had to adapt to the significantly colder climate in Eurasia.
>>46123260
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
(First born)
>>46122931
So blacks are humans, neanderthals are elves, whites are half-elves, and dwarves are jews. But what are gnomes?
>>46118996
>caucasian
like, geogians?
>>46123137
That's just the general appearance I prefer. One could make up any number of lore excuses for it. Elves twisted ages ago by dark magic is a popular one, but I'm not a big fan of that.
I like the explanation that they're distant cousins of both goblins and ogres, or the product of a human mother and a troll or an ogre father. Something along those lines. I can't really go into specifics since I don't have a specific setting in mind. The main idea is that they are connected to goblins, trolls and ogres somehow.
Talk of neanderthals and orcs in the same thread? Oh yes please.
>>46123498
As far as I know, they never found a neanderthal-spear.
>>46123560
Dude c'mon.
I'm posting fucking psuedoscience and I know that real neanderthals had spears.
>>46123447
>but I'm not a big fan of that.
Ye, LOTR is trash.
Why didn't you just said that to the other guys instead of sperging out?
>>46123308
>Smart
>Small
>No sense of right and wrong
East Asians
>>46123630
Sorry, I can't find any hard evidence for it. Though I'm just using google.
>>46123447
Obviously they're squid-faced cow people corrupted by drinking demon blood.
>>46123690
He's the one that was all annoyed at tusks and pointy ears and a hyper aggressive race like I was shoving it down his throat. I was just defending my preference. Frankly, I don't even know why it bothered him so much.
>>46122300
Some versions of orcs are corrupted elves, so the pointy ears kind of make sense.
![1280px-Pointe_levallois_Beuzeville_MHNT_PRE.2009.0.203.2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NkXBnPG.jpg "1280px-Pointe_levallois_Beuzeville_MHNT_PRE.2009.0.203.2[1].jpg")
>>46123727
>>46123560
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousterian
>>46123845
>In North Africa and the Near East, Mouseterian tools were also produced by anatomically modern humans. In the Levant, for example, assemblages produced by Neanderthals are indistinguishable from those made by Qafzeh type modern humans.
Awesome, so this proves basically nothing. All those findings in europe could have been from modern humans, but nobody attributes them to modern humans because the current theory states that they weren't there at the moment.
All in all it's not hard evidence until I look up the primary sources and find out why they think neanderthals made them.
>>46118996
I prefer the Orsimer from the Elder Scrolls, really like the mix of Mongolian and tribal.
>>46124087
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebara_Cave
Neanderthal buried with spear and axe heads.
>>46122196
>tfw your race forgets how to do metalwork because MUH INSPIRED BY BLIZZARD ART STYLE
>>46124109
They ended up being basically a mix of Mongolian and Native American in Skyrim (what with the living in shitty reservations thing), which I find quite interesting. It's the closest Skyrim gets to touching on the 'in universe racism' fantasy settings always have underlying things.
>>46124303
It comes up a bit over in Windhelm too. What with the Dark Elves having their own ghetto to live in, and Argonians not even allowed to live in the city and forced into shitty zero-pay jobs (except the player character).
>>46124202
http://www.archaeology.org/news/3637-150826-spears-teixoneres-cave
More.
>>46124303
It's actually more like "reverse racism". The Orsimer chose to live in their secluded enclaves because they refuse to take part in Nord Society and so live in their traditional camps. Nords, while generally fairly racist, don't seem to mind orcs all that much.
>>46124374
Honestly as long as you're good at melee combat and love a good drunken singalong you're probably fine no matter who you are in Nord culture.
>>46123818
O...k them...
>>46124428
Also as long as you dont fuck with giving props to local boy Talos.
>>46123829
>Some versions
Other than LOTR?
>>46124202
Sorry, I'm appreciating that you come up links, which is far above the usual shitposting. But this doesn't really prove anything until I yet again read the primary sources. Because what we have here is a very complete neanderthal skeleton lying next to some findings. Great, but why should we assume that he is "buried" here and why that those findings belong to him?
>>46124374
>http://www.archaeology.org/news/3637-150826-spears-teixoneres-cave
And here I see nothing hinting at neanderthals.
Pig orcs are my favorite.
>>46124563
This is either some really high level shitposting, or you're dumb as a sack of rocks.
I'm having trouble finding scholarly articles/papers regarding evidence/examples of neanderthal spear use, likely because it's basically common knowledge, but have this paper comparing neanderthal to human spear use in an experimental capacity. I also can't access the paper, so I'm working off just the abstract here.
https://scholars.duke.edu/display/pub651988
Here's another contrasting neanderthal and sapiens spear use.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/27820844?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Oh finally. Here's an example of pre-modern human neanderthal spears.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440312000969
>>46124485
Yes, I'm at least partially to blame for dragging down the level of discourse, but 'fucking why' and dismissive greentext ain't the most reasonable conversation starters.
>>46124222
Maybe they've traditionally acquired the metal armor and weapons through other means, such as robbery or looting the dead? I've never played Might and Magic, so I don't know if orcs in that setting are particularly industrious or civilized or if their only claim to fame is randomly accosting people in dungeons.
>>46124901
Addendum. I will continue looking for articles and papers about this.
But I'm not an expert, and this isn't my field of study.
>>46124971
Don't waste your time. The idiot's just going to get as pedantic as he can so he can dismiss any evidence that doesn't fit with his preconceived notions about how neanderthals lived.
>>46124971
You don't need to. It's getting late in euro-time and I soon have to take some sleep. Maybe I can look up what you posted the next morning.
>>46124359
Dark Elves I can understand though. They were refugees expecting to be catered to despite the city being tight on resources and refusing to take part in the cause. Hell, there's an Altmer shopkeeper and they don't get any shit despite their race.
>>46125491
And ironically she's a fucking black market dealer/Thieves Guild Fence.
>>46125491
Also, I think the irony of it goes over most players heads, namely those that haven't played Morrowind.
The Dunmer are racist, xenophobic slavers who have spent literally centuries abusing everyone around them. Including other Dunmer.
>>46125522
There's the guy in the Alchemy Shop too, but he's probably been there longer than Ulfric's been alive anyway.
>>46125538
But of course since Ulfric is white and a Nordic nationalist he gets branded as literally Hitler and everyone else just casually ignores the racial prejudices that's within just about every individual race.
>>46125597
>But of course since Ulfric is white and a Nordic nationalist he gets branded as literally Hitler
I thought most people sided with him because muh homeland muh vikings.
I thought D&D redefined what an Orc looked like?
>>46125597
Not to mention the fact that Argonians are discriminated against by Dunmer and Nords in windhelm, but also invaded and enslaved thousands of Dunmer in southern Vvardenfell.
The Elder Scrolls world is great, mainly because it has no clear cut good guys. Though, plenty of clear cut bad guys.
>>46125630
I think most people sided with the Empire from what I heard. I'm a huge Uflric fan though that's mainly because I hate the Thalmor and love Talos.
>>46119567
holy shit, it's a black TsimFukis!
I've always thought back to the first image of orcs I ever saw.
>>46125684
It's an impression I got from this site and also from some friends. Of course it's a flawed impression, but I don't know any offcial statistics on who joined which faction the most.
They seem to vary a lot between series. Sometimes yellow, sometimes black, sometimes Caucasian, sometimes pointy eared, sometimes fanged. Even the LOTR movies has insane variation between all of them. In cartoons they are almost always pigs. In video games they are typically all white with huge guns.
So what should be or is your own definition of human? What do they look like?
>>46125788
Aren't those the trolls from the animated Hobbit movie?
>>46125861
No, these are trolls
>>46125845
>In video games they are typically all white
What?
"Out of Africa" was conclusively dis-proven months ago, guys.
Please don't just spew garbage, but I think it's way too late for this thread.
>>46126048
[citation needed]
>>46125651
not on /tumblrg/ no sir, here we follow jewcraft and autism4k only
porc klingons
>>46125597
>Everyone is racist so it's okay to be racist
Can't I just dislike all of them the same?
>>46127978
Elder Scrolls racism is actually justifiable to an extent due to races actually being something fundamentally different from just a different skin color or other minor features.
>>46125788
Goblins. Though to be fair, in The Hobbit book, goblin and orc were practically synonymous. Outside of the movies no significant line was ever drawn between the two terms. I believe the denizens of the Misty Mountains were even referred to as orcs at one point beyond The Hobbit.
>>46118996
>So what should be or is your own definition of orc? What do they look like?
the reason their appearances are so varied is because in the original folklore, their physical appearance was never well-defined to begin with, only that they were the mortal servants of Satan, or something like that...
Let me check something...
...
... yeah there were a few vague descriptions given of Orcs back in the classical age when they were still a type of sea monster; Pliny the Elder described them as an enormous mass of flesh and the natural enemy of the Whale...
Then in the medieval poem 'Orlando Furioso' they were referenced again (referred to as 'Orkes') this time the description went:
"-yet with his spear in hand, though not in rest,
The ugly Orke upon the brow he strake,
(I call him Orke, because I know no beast,
Nor fish from whence comparison to take)
His head and teeth were like a boar, the rest
A mass, of which I know not what to make."
In the story Orlando uses a ship's anchor to prop it's mouth open so he can stab it to death from inside...
Don't know how it went from that to what we see today...
>>46125917
One of my favorite depictions of trolls. Spot on.
>>46118996
LOTR style. Orcs are around the size of men, typically shorter both in physical height and hunched stature. They have long, often broken noses, elvish ears, and hollow cheeks. Their skin is the color of earthen tones
>>46128024
Well, just speaking of Skyrim, I hated the Thalmor much more than the Stormcloaks, but Ulfric treated a bunch of people like shit that I felt didn't deserve it 'cause muh viking purity so fuck him too. It was hard choosing who to side with because they were both unpalatable to me. Best case scenario would have been siding with the Imperials and then ridding them of the Thalmor and the Dominion, but nope, not an option. So I chose the Stormcloaks.
I still don't like Ulfric, though. It gets on my nerves when random people who haven't personally done anything are shit on for no good reason outside of "it's cultural." Well then your culture is shit.
>>46120533
>We are the fighting Uruk-hai!
>>46128417
Just curious, when had they used that excuse for their treatment of other races? I know the Khajiit Caravans weren't allowed in the city because they were seen as a bunch of thieves (which they were in reality), they were pissed at the Dunmer for refusing to take a side while on their doorstep. The Altmer merchant in the city also states she believes they also have trouble because they refuse to conform to the city. As for the Argonians... it beats me. No idea what's up with them. Ulfric is far from perfect but I consider him a better option for Skyrim considering the Empire's decline since Uriel Septim's death.
>>46128550
You think the fucking Dragonborn couldn't reform the empire himself?
A strong unified government ruled by a semi-divine super being could kick the Thalmor right in their yellow dicks.
>>46118996
>in cartoons they are almost always pig people.
>in video games they are typically all green with huge overbites.
and in real life they look white ginger girls
>>46128102
The Mediterranean aquatic Orc (or orcus) wasn't the source of Tolkien's orc anyways. It was the Anglo-Saxon term for the undead found in a verse of Beowulf: "Ylf und eotun und orc-néas" (Elfs and giants and the undead)
But he did acknowledge it in the introduction to The Hobbit.
>>46122825
Stop cherry picking shithead. The Great Pyramid is considerably more massive than most of those structures and much older than any of them.
More recently some of the sub saharan Kingdoms also made fairly large stone structures, and Africa above the Sahara has a fair amount of culture and building too.
The Moors were also pretty civilized, and had no small part of Berber in there even if you claim some of the refinement and innovations had to do with Arab cultural influence. (True in a lot of places, even ones that directly experienced it and were European)
And they civilized Spain considerably.
>>46128550
It's never really gone into detail what "conforming to the city" means, and the Argonians didn't seem to be disrupting anything. It seemed to me Ulfric was just pandering to the contingent of Nord that didn't like non-Nord arrogantly living their lives in their general vicinity.
Then there's the dialogue with Brunwulf Free-Winter.
>Malthyr: "You're a war hero, Brunwulf. Ulfric will listen to you."
>Brunwulf: "It's not that simple. Ulfric wants a Skyrim for the Nords. He doesn't trust what he calls 'outsiders'."
>Malthyr: "You've seen how we live―cramped alleys, run-down buildings, few guard patrols. Even the name 'Gray Quarter' is an insult."
>Brunwulf: "I'll speak to Ulfric soon, but I make no promises that I can change his mind."
>Malthyr: "That's all I ask. With your help, we have a chance to make a better life for ourselves here. For that, I thank you."
When you talk to Brunwulf he basically tells you that Ulfric isn't going to do shit to help any of the other races because fuck 'em. He says "If Ulfric had his way, anyone who wasn't a Nord would be shipped right out of Skyrim." Then you've got people like Rolff.
I'm not saying all the Nord or even all the Stormcloaks are assholes. But some are. They treat these folks like shit not because they've done anything, but just on general principle. I can't jive with that. Sadly, the Thalmor and the Dominion are way worse, and I'll deal with the Stormcloaks to see them get theirs all the more.
More often than not, I've seen people defend Ulfric and his attitude by acting like he's doing everyone else a favor by not treating them even worse, and that his Skyrim for Nords stance is perfectly reasonable. Seems to me he and a lot of other Nords could stand to get over themselves a bit.
I keep it simple.
>>46118996
All depends on the setting but for the most part an Orc is not meant to resemble a Man.
Orcs in the Lord of the Rings franchise do not have a specified origin though we are given a brief 'possible' explanation in that they were Elves before they were taken by Morgoth and tortured, mutilated, and exposed to his dark powers. Azog (though despised for being CG) displays this perfectly as out of any Orc seen in the Peter Jackson films he most resembles an Elf and the jump between races is easy enough to see.
Warhammer Orks meanwhile were a species that was designed from the ground up. The Old Ones were getting their shit pushed in and they needed to pump out capable soldiers fast. Orks are grown instead of being born and their bodies are ideal to survive and adapt to any environment they live in while constantly producing hardy spores which would become more Orks. After the Necrons went dormant the Orks were so successful in their design they immediately turned against what Old Ones were left. They were made for Fightin' and Winnin' and that's exactly what they did.
Elder Scroll Orcs meanwhile are a sort of subspecies of Elves, more so than LOTR Orcs are as their nature wasn't the design of something malevolent. Arguably these are the nicest Orcs in both appearance and attitude but they pack enough power to distinguish themselves away from being considered Green Elves.
Warcraft Orcs are descendants of Ogres and it is easy to trace their evolutionary path. I don't have a lot of respect for these as they repeatedly shown they're prone to poorly thought out choices and I theorize they are actually incapable of making long term decisions.
DnD Orcs are a little of column A and a little of column B, they were made and they are a flawed creation. Not terribly bright but dangerous enough not to wind up extinct.
Pathfinder Orcs are only slightly smarter though that could be due to having more dimwitted Goblins lowering their test scores across the board.
>>46130229
My interpretation of an Orc is a being that adapts to its environment but nothing beyond that. A greater force is required to motivate them into doing anything other than idling about eating and picking small fights. Some are ugly, others aren't half bad looking. Orcs can reproduce with other races but for the most part keep it to themselves as they lack the restraint to keep potential rape victims alive and they're not charming enough to seduce. There are outliers like in any race and usually these Orcs either end up in positions of power over a gang or tribe or they strike out in search of better company.
>>46129632
Moors were more of a Mediterranean civilization than an African one I think.
I personally replace Orcs with Pigmen and Halflings with Rabbit men, or the Hogs and Hares. Give it a garden wall style fantasy vibe.
>>46120349
>implying tolkien isn't the most widely-respected and recognized version of orcs
>>46130349
>. There are outliers like in any race and usually these Orcs either end up in positions of power over a gang or tribe or they strike out in search of better company.
"my" orcs are that way.
Tending to be only a minor threat in the outlands, Orcs get dangerous when a particularly clever/bloodthirsty/charismatic leader rises up and leads a tiny pack to dominate an area. These bright lights tend to burn out quickly however, either dying in battle or getting old enough to fall to internal treachery. The war-bands quickly fall apart into squabbling tribes or family groups again with only a few bucks to rebuild their numbers.
>>46120349
Undisciplined scum, please.
>>46118996
Warhammer Orks
Or LOTR/ Shadow of Mordor orcs, fucking hate how the hobbit made them all uruks or 7 foot cgi beasts
>>46131486
>implying the impending warcraft movie won't change the public's image of orcs forever
MOVE OVER TOLKIEN, THERE'S A NEW KING IN TOWN
>>46118996
It Depends On The Setting™
>>46134230
But then what would we argue about?
>no one posted best Orc.
No wonder /tg/ is going to shit.
>>46134242
I realize you're being facetious, but I have personally been under the belief that this board, as well as this website, would be better off if people didn't come here to insight arguments.
There are plenty of things to discuss about tabletop gaming, if you just take the time to make worthwhile threads and discussions. It really takes little effort.
A better way to present this topic is to ask, "What setting's design for orcs is your favorite?" or "How are orcs presented in your campaign?" These actually open more ground for discussion than OPs post, and they also don't make him seem like a rat-faced, cock sucking faggot, or a loathsome shitposting piece of shit that deserves to have his throat slit and his blood drained in the street so that the rest of us would be made better for it.
If it's one of those rapey orcs, it needs to be pretty buff.
Pig orcs are good for comedy.
>>46129632
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>>46134218
>THERE'S A NEW KING IN TOWN
>CGI more ugly than in 15 years old LoTR
>>46119435
I'll be sure to make Caucasian Orcs for whatever I do next. Blokes with guns trying to invade and settle in the peaceful, tree hugging lands of the Elves and Dwarves.
>>46122937
>>46123070
Alternatively, it was a stupid joke.
>>46126048
>Shitposting loudly
I'm a genomic cladistics researcher. I work on birds, but if something as paradigm shifting as that had actually happened it would have been in every journal pertaining to evolutionary biology and population genetics (many of which I read because studies relevant to me get published in them too) and there would have been a shitstorm in the anthropological/geneticist/paleontological/taxonomist community the likes of which was inescapable to anyone even tangentially related
>>46134213
>fucking hate how the hobbit made them all uruks or 7 foot cgi beasts
Actually uruk hai came from the north, so all northern orcs (especially Gundabad orcs) stronger than Mordor orcs.
>>46125684
Its not like most people who went Empire like the Thalmor.
A lot of people realised the Empire is fucked if Skyrim leaves and therefore mankind in general.
>>46122118
KANGZ AND SHEEEIT
>>46129632
Berbers are part of the Anatolian farmers than expanded around the world, settling in europe, North Africa and West Asia, they have nothing to do with Sub Saharan apart of some admixture thanks to they Colonial conquest during the x-xvi centuries.
Middle Ages North Africa was pretty wild too, I love the time a bunch of Iberians, between Islamiced Christians, Muladies and Berber tribesmen with guns were send be the Moroccan (Benimarin if I recall well) Sultan to conquer the Songhay. The leader was an Islamcied Castilian eunuch, and when they destroyed the songhay after the later sending an stampede of cattle and it being reversed thanks to the guns, destroying the Songhay ranks (?) and coqnuering the region, later thos guys founded they own dinasties marrying the local nobility in tipical Iberian fashion and were know as the Armas (because the chant of A-las-Armas or to the weapons).
>>46135438
No Uruk-Hai were the orcs than saruman mixed with humans and other races to make his own warrior soldiers and spies, Uruks is how the Orcs call they upper or warrior class (the other are called snaga/slaves), and Uruk-Hai means the warrior people in black tongue.
>>46119087
Greek guy made up the word 'orco' to rhyme with 'porco'.
>>46119397
Idiotic. Tolkien hardly invented any of the concepts he used.
>>46118996
Look, when it comes to Orcs it's less about what they look like and more about what they are.
The Orcs are invariably a bunch of assholes completely dominated by a brutal overlord. They don't usually have any redeeming qualities and are just a punching bag you don't have to think about too much. That's their whole purpose - to be bad guys personified
So when it comes to their look, the real question is - what is "bad" in your setting.
Tolkien didn't like industrialization and what it did to the countryside. So his orcs are these filthy, wretched creatures who burn whole forest to feed their industry and are led by brutal taskmasters who have a willful disregard for their lives
Now look at Warhammer. Orks here are just a bunch of thugs looking for a fight with no higher purpose. They're basically a horde of soccer hooligans looking for a good time (the writers are brits after all). Their appearance here is big green and mean and of course they get even bigger and meaner the more they fight.
Move on to Warcraft. Orcs there (when they are bad) tend to be simply corrupted by Demons or something similar. Thus here, they are a misunderstood people who are a tool for someone above them which is a common theme in Blizzard writing (just think about the whole Zerg - Overmind - Amon string but I digress). Thus here, their appearance varies between the corrupted orks who may have red skin and are hyper violent and the brown/green orks who can live in peace. The point being that corruption is not inherent to them but comes from without.
tl dr: decide what/who you want to demonize and adjust their looks accordingly.
>>46119619
>that collection of bikes
Sneaky buggers.
>>46118996
My definition of orc is a low to mid level trheat which may topple civilizations in great numbers.
They kinda look like Frazetta's beastmen/morlocs/Congo's evil gorillas, full of mattled thick fur, whose scars are made of bone. They also eat iron to enhance their scars and skeleton.
>>46121981
>They average around 6'6 in height and have tusks. Skin colors range from gray to green to charcoal.
>The exact definition of vikings
>>46134218
Why are they not green?
>>46124303
it's more or less a regional thing i suppose. The Orismer in Skyrim seem to have worse standard of living than those in anywhere else since they seem to be disconnected to the rest of society there as opposed to say, Cyrodiil which apparently they are much more accepted as a part of society. Their metalwork seem to differ as well since in Morrowind, theirs seem much more intricate if not refined than those in Skyrim although, 200 years is a long time ago
>>46122356
So was watching the movie...
Orcs are big and burly, like the Uruk-Hai in LOTR movies, goblins are lanky and grey/green.
>>46122196
We are a board of peace
>>46130592
What about Cat men as Elves and Dog men as Dwarves?
Cats are commonly associated with magic, especially dark magic and witches, and can be seen as arrogant or snobby, and Dogs are well-known for their loyalty, ferocity, and lust in it's simplest form.
From there, why not make Drow black cats or Ogres bears? What about Goblins as rats?
>>46118996
In Tolkien's works, orcs were smaller than men, had black skin (actual black, not african black), and "were as strong as the apes of the south".
D&D came along, and at some point they began to look pig-like. Then Hulk got famous and suddenly they were green.
What bugs me about orcs, is that they are stronger than us (and nowadays almost universally larger and more muscular than we are), come from terrible shitty areas that are hard to survive in (and yet still manage to form massive hordes), then storm south and somehow we can still beat them.
How can idiot orcs manage to survive in terrible areas in huge numbers?
Unless they're too stupid to make bows, good armor, and siege engines, how could anybody stand up to them? (sure, poor tactics/logistics/supplies, blah blah)
Also, they're often super evil, so they shouldn't be able to work together or help each other survive.
I've been trying to come up with reasons to justify some of this for orcs in my D&D world. I kinda like the idea of them being the creations of some evil monster god, who stream down from the moon (like ff8) or some shit, or maybe they're grown like fungus in caves or in mud pits like uruk-hai. Maybe humans exposed to sources of intense evil mutate into orcs. Maybe they're from some other hellish planet or plane and pour into our world through obsidian portals located underground, activated by cultists of orcus.
I kinda like that they're green, but I feel like if anybody should be green, it should be elves. I kinda like black or white-skinned orcs as well, and I kinda like them just being bronzed viking barbarians from the north. I can't ever make up my mind.
>>46122639
the biggest known penis actually belongs to a white guy named Jonah Falcon
>>46128024
then so is real-life racism
>>46118996
I have a fondness for TES Orks, dunno why.
Green and grey both welcome.
Though I wish they'd be depicted as German-like rather than ooga booga like.
>>46138696
Well tactics and technology make a huge difference.
Most of the time though bad guy orcs are either minions of a greater evil that can direct them to larger ends or primitive tribes that only conduct raids against nearby humans unless migrating en masse.
I like pig orcs, though I believe most people don't think they look intimidating.
>>46129851
I mean, if you think about it, every other province is like that too.
Morrowind for the Dunmer.
Hammerfell for the Redguards.
High Rock for the Bretons.
>the Reach for the Reachmen!
And don't even get me started on the Isles.
>>46138913
That comic cracks me up.
And this trend of orcs getting bigger and bigger is daft, Warcraft orcs are nearly as big as Ogres.
The way they were depicted in the LotR films was much less ridiculous, small almost ape like goblins up to large, man shaped Uruk-Hai.
>>46118996
Hold up.
Why is Azog such a good looking motherfucker and why are all the other orks so fucking ugly?
Seriously, if Azog wasn't such an evil asshole he'd probably be scoring some elven ass.
Three types of orcs.
Small Orcs like in first Lotrs movie.
Normal size Orcs, that should look like Azog (he was pretty aesthetic.)
And large Orcs whom nowadays are called Ogres, but they should be a bit less bulky than the orcs in new Warcraft movie.
>>46124527
Made by Tolkien.
The orgins of Orcs.
There wouldn't be Orcs without tolkien you dumb fk.
There wouldn't even be fantasy as we know it.
>>46135928
>No Uruk-Hai were the orcs than saruman mixed with humans and other races to make his own warrior soldiers and spies,
In movie, In books they just came from the North and join to Isengard (since Mordor was too far, yet still Frodo and Sam faced with few Uruk-Hai in Mordor). According to Untold Tales (if I remember correctly) Uruk-Hai and Gundabad orcs was last descendants of Melkor's orcs who escaped from Beliriand to East.
>>46134218
Nah, the noble savage retcon of WC3 isn't going to stick, because it's boring.
>>46118996
Tie down an naked elf and see what comes along to rape it.
That's your orc.
>>46135468
>Hammerfell kept them at bay despite being cut off from the Empire
>The Empire isn't even the true Empire, it's the remnants from the Septim Empire held together by a Colovian warlord and his lineage
>The Thalmor don't want the Stormcloaks to win the Civil War either, the only thing that benefits them is conflict
I disagree.
>>46129632
>Moors are black
>Any group outside of sub-saharan Africans and maybe Australian Aborigines is black.
When will this meme end?
>>46140457
Not him, but it really could go either way. At least I think the empire, you can keep an eye on the Thalmor, and you still have all the benefits of the Empire: Trade, education, and cultural exchange.
>>46138696
How is real life racism comparable to something like Elder Scroll races? They're fundamentally different biologically and in the case of mer/men have a wholly different origin. You can't apply real life racism to the situation since it's not real life and has a whole mess of context that keeps it from being that.
>>46124935
The one in Heroes V definitely seems to be wearing armor specifically designed to be worn by an orc of his build.
>>46140567
I agree that it could go either way. I just think an independent Skyrim is better for all involved in the meantime. An independent Skyrim means the Thalmor no longer have influence in the region and they can always support the Empire should they decide to resume their war. The main reason for the Civil War in the first place was the Empire being under the Thalmor's heel and banning of Talos worship. When that's no longer the case, I'm sure Skyrim would gladly want to kick the Thalmor's shit in with the Empire and probably Hammerfell.
>>46140684
>Implying the Thalmor are the bad guys.
>>46140719
They're elves, that's bad enough already.
If Orcs are supposed to be pig-humans, what are Goblins?
>>46140719
They really are pieces of shit
>>46140457
The Stormcloaks winning is far, far better than the Empire winning though because it deprives the Empire of a lot of manpower and resources. Hammerfell only survived because the Empire left whole legions behind.
All the Thalmor have to do is crush Hammerfell and Cyrodill in turn before moving on to Skyrim if the Empire breaks up. And then humans get wiped out because of a few morons being unable to see the big picture.
>>46140896
It's not something that's going to happen for a long while though. The Thalmor are fucked because even though they only got hurt as bad as the Empire it's going to take them a lot longer to recover since elves have a shitty birth rate. It's why they wanted the Civil War in the first place, they couldn't afford to lose resources to keep Skyrim under their heel so they needed a proxy war of attrition to weaken both parties. They're definitely not going to be able to attack Hammerfell anytime soon since the last time they got their shit packed by them.
>>46140822
Maybe if humans didn't stomp in their peaceful island, and weren't standing in the way of their eternal peace, they could be friends.
>>46140719
>I WONDER WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS POST
>>46141057
Maybe if the tricksters and killers you worship had just sit one out, reality wouldn't be so bad.
>>46141050
>The Thalmor are trying to destroy reality because they're mad about not being gods anymore
Literally worse than Hitler
First off: According to wikipedia they have "sallow skin and slant eyes" so he was just imagining racist asian people.
In Tolkien there's no difference between orcs and goblins right? They're the same thing, but after Hobbit he decided to start using an (at the time) more obscure term?
But then Uruk-Hai are supposed to be "Orcs fused with goblin-men." Since Orcs and goblins are the same thing, what is he talking about? I know that he at one point considered them to be products of rape but didn't want to touch on that because it's creepy, but that's just not viable for a race numbering in the gorrilions and possibly outnumbering humans, or at the very least outnumbering human fighters since their entire society is based on warfare. This is why I've always preferred the Peter Jackson version where the Uruk-Hai are just born in pits of slime, and emerge fully grown, phenotypically male and probably sterile. I just assume regular orcs are made the same way but Saruman put some human "DNA" (Tolkien was a luddite and DNA was cutting edge science back then, I'd imagine he wouldn't want to reference genetics in his work) into the existing "recipe," which is already a modified form of the elf genetic template. If that makes sense.
Also, I've been confused about why the superior version of orcs are called "uruk-hai" when that just means "orcfolk" or "orc-kind" in Black Speech. Is the idea that all orcs speak corrupted, debased forms of black speech mixed in with Humanese or slang, so calling themselves uruk-hai would be like a group of superhumans today calling themselves "hominus," using a "pure" ancestral language like Latin?
Final question: In the series, where are there orcs and where are there uruks? In Shadow of Mordor everybody is an uruk, does that mean they've proliferated and replaced the "normal" orcs?
I say/ask all this knowing that Tolkien probably didn't really care enough to keep things consistent re: orcs, goblin, goblin-men, etc.
>>46141116
Reality shouldn't even exist. Everyone was better off until Sithis decided he needed some change, and lied to everyone, tricking them to mutilate themselves just for his little arena.
Ripping his heart out was too good for him.
>>46141208
Pelinal didn't go far enough
>>46141258
He was too busy sharing tents and swallowing nedic dicks.
Why would you rely on /r9k/: The Knight?
>>46137424
in Warcraft orcs were brown/grey before being told to drink demon blood. the plot of Warcraft is about Thrall discovering his people's muh noble savage shamanistic traditions before they were tricked into being green interdimensional invaders for demons.
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>>46141187
Ordinary orcs can't tolerate the light of the Sun, whereas Uruk-Hai can.
>>46140812
hairless man-shaped rats.
>>46118996
Depends on the setting or what your dm likes.
>>46138652
So....Lugaru/Overgrowth?
>>46138913
>>46139144
source on the comics of these two?
>>46143109
Its just called Elf Comic.
>>46129632
Talking about cherrypicking...
>stone structures looks like a bad replica, much as most stuff from china today. Sure it resembles what you wanted but looks either terribly or wont work.
>Moors were not niggers
>>46118996
Azog was fucking perfect. He and Lurtz.
They were predators, muscular limbs with a lean core, their face monsterlike but not comically deformed, their teeth made for ripping into flesh without silly tusks.
They were made for fast, brutal killing. At the same time, they aren't just drooling retarded murdermachines. They have a focused mind filled with analytical determination. They kill because it has a purpose, although that doesn't mean that the killing can't be fun, of course.
Gather a few thousand of Azog and Lurtz kind of orcs and you know why they are such a danger to the realms of the West. Sure, they prefer a simple style of warfare - Attack, kill, go away. Why prance around your enemy when you can just as well rush 'em and tear into it. Most of the time, it seems to work.
But you just know that they are clever enough to lure you into a trap, so even a more experienced city guard veteran must be hot on his toes so he doesn't get murdered into the ground.
And in all that, you can still recognise the glimpse of a human mind in those eyes. A mind capable of a personality and charisma, and with a potential to build a kingdom of their own, where orcs can roam free and foster a culture beyond mere raiding and violence (though those will still be highly enjoyed past time activities).
They are not just "mooks" and cannonfodder enemies, they are equal to humans and dwarves and elves. In any other scenario but LotR, Azog orcs would still have been antagonists, but capable to make peace with humans and elves and dwarves.
God, my cock is rockhard now.
>>46118996
They look like racism anon
they look like you are fucking racist
>>46128102
Weird, I actually thought that out of all the things Tolkien included in his stories, the orcs actually were a creation of his.
Or at least his own special twist on the goblin and made into a real credible threat instead of invisible house nuisance that sometimes soured milk and attacked cats.
>>46139989
The books do say that Saruman bred orcs and men, which could be why Saruman's breed of Uruk-hai is different, but it's never stated who or what the Orc-Human hybrids were, besides being different from other orcs.
>>46147530
They are fictional.
If you're reading an analogy to a real world ethnicity, perhaps it is you who is the racist.
>>46128024
you do know that that's not why real-life racism happens right
>>46151752
Yes, hence why I said elder scroll racism is something completely different from it. IRL racism is retarded because the only difference between "races" is a few minor biological differences that aren't even that concrete beyond some visual changes and differences in cultures. Elder Scrolls racism has to do with entirely different sapient beings that don't even share a point of origin.
>>46120037
Go away weeboo Jap fag
Current mental image?
Not unlike humans, with wider jawlines, tusks, sharper teeth and longer ears, bulkier builds and taller height. More body hair for both makes and females, more scar tissue, more often, and lots more calluses.
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>>46123630
>implying that's a neanderthal
>>46118996
I like large muscular humanoids over pigmen and hunched goblinoids. Tusks are optional but I don't like them comically green.
I also like orcs that are almost or completely hairless and vaguely asiatic or native american.
This kind of orcs are often presented as nomadic but instead of herding something they just raid like Mongols in constant horde mode but I think it would be cooler if they were more like Incas or steppe Budhists and have small agricultural villages and major Monastic cities.
>>46121700
Orcs represent human cruelty and barbarity. "In real life men are on both sides: which means a motley alliance of orcs, beasts, demons, plain naturally honest men, and angels."
>>46122118
Yeah, other human groups were raped and eaten. We dragged neanderthals and denisovans by their hair, beat them, raped all of them regardless of gender, then cracked some skulls open and ate their brain, zombie-style, still steaming hot.
Those that got pregnant were kept alive until the birth of the child, and after that they either got raped at beat up again or got eaten.
>>46118996
Made nameplates for everyone in my Pathfinder group. Used this face for the half-orc.
>>46129632
>Pyramids
Oh not this one again.
"We wuz nubians n' sheeit!"
"We built errythin!"
"buncha inbred white 'Gyptians dun stole it all from us!"
"We lifted stones to the top with papyrus airplanes n' wood helicopters!"
>>46122196
>implying we aren't always here, quietly waiting for some SJW bullshit to crop up
>>46122012
>black people have never invaded anything
What is Detroit?
>>46118996
I like the pig hairy ones, like in HoMM or the third picture
>>46156243
>>implying we aren't always here, quietly waiting for some SJW bullshit to crop up
WILL YOU PLEASE LEAVE ALREADY! YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE AND NEVER WILL BE!!!
>>46125597
It's not that we casually ignore the racism inherent in all races, it's that we all know the lore and know Ulfric was brainwashed by the Thalmor into starting this rebellion to weaken Skyrim to prepare for an invasion. He's doing the bidding of those yellow elvish bastards whether he's realizing it or not.
>>46122825
Mali, Soghai, Athiopia.
/pol/ I know you are retarded and a repressed homosexual, but could you at least pretend to have two brain cells?
>>46148832
They were created to be the stand-ins for the evil "darker" races that lived on the edge of the map in fantasy stories. It was made to dehumanize Africans and Middle Easterners and make them a bit more palpable for the great white knight heroes to kill en masse in games since they were all evil cannibalistic savages anyway. Everything about them was based on the horror stories of "those African savages"
>Their language is even called Black Speech,
>they are mostly known for the color of their skins
>They are made to be a game representation of the evils of what might happen if uppity niggers start raiding your hometown
>Bi-racial allegory player races made just for them in modern games now
>>46123260
>they are however, the closest related to this common ancestor
explains their looks and behaviour
>>46159233
It's not just orcs. Institutionalized racism is a cornerstone of the fantasy genre.
Take their poster children the elves. Elves in every incarnation are divided by skin tone. You always have the always good light skinned elves and the always evil dark skinned elves. They are almost the perfect Mormon idea that level of darkness of one's skin equals the level of evil/demonic nature. That this is some kind of warning of what happens if a fair skinned blond haired individual strays off the righteous path.
Orcs are just the evil jungle monkeys that only know how to rape and kill things. Dwarves were supposed to be the money grubbing jews (Tolkien even claimed this to be true later on) and characterized them with large noses and scraggly beards. Evil characters are always black, from the black lands, speaking the black speech and are under the direction of a black lord, dark lord meanwhile the white guys come from the White Tower.
>>46159395
>Dwarves were supposed to be the money grubbing jews (Tolkien even claimed this to be true later on) and characterized them with large noses and scraggly beards
>>46159413
http://www.timesofisrael.com/are-tolkiens-dwarves-an-allegory-for-the-jews/
>>46159395
You realise 'black/dark = evil' has nothing to do with IRL black people right?
